Comments on: Congress showing results. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:43:01 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: john polifronio http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3827253 john polifronio Tue, 29 May 2007 17:18:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3827253 J. Randall makes a premature judgement about the dem congress having "caved" over Iraqi funding. This isn't a one time matter. It's an on-going fight, which will be revisited. It ain't over yet. jp J. Randall makes a premature judgement about the dem congress having “caved” over Iraqi funding. This isn’t a one time matter. It’s an on-going fight, which will be revisited. It ain’t over yet.
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]]> By: Jake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3826201 Jake Mon, 28 May 2007 21:00:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3826201 m12: My posts are getting deleted again. Read Reagan's Diaries to answer some of your questions. m12:

My posts are getting deleted again. Read Reagan’s Diaries to answer some of your questions.

]]> By: Jake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3826182 Jake Mon, 28 May 2007 20:52:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3826182 m12: In Reagan's own diaries, he writes that he was not involved prior to the election and only after Inauguration Day did he find out "that last 2 weeks of hostage negotiations were completely dominated by Iranian fear they'd have to negotiate with our admin. I couldn't be happier." If you get a chance to get this book, I highly recommend it. Also on the Middle East, from an entry on Jun 16, 1981: "We have just learned that Israel & the previous Admin. did communicate about Iraq & the nuclear threat & the U.S. agreed it was a threat. There was never a mention of this to us by the outgoing admin. Amb. Lewis cabled word to us after the Israeli attack on Iraq & now we find there was a stack of cables & memos tucked away in St. Dept. files." Jimmy Carter was (is) an asshole. m12:

In Reagan’s own diaries, he writes that he was not involved prior to the election and only after Inauguration Day did he find out “that last 2 weeks of hostage negotiations were completely dominated by Iranian fear they’d have to negotiate with our admin. I couldn’t be happier.” If you get a chance to get this book, I highly recommend it.

Also on the Middle East, from an entry on Jun 16, 1981: “We have just learned that Israel & the previous Admin. did communicate about Iraq & the nuclear threat & the U.S. agreed it was a threat. There was never a mention of this to us by the outgoing admin. Amb. Lewis cabled word to us after the Israeli attack on Iraq & now we find there was a stack of cables & memos tucked away in St. Dept. files.”

Jimmy Carter was (is) an asshole.

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3825374 m12 Sun, 27 May 2007 23:30:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3825374 <i>I can’t disagree with you except about the Iranian hostage situation. Reagan submarined Carter on that.</i> You'd have to be a miserable President if the governor of California can get a leg up on you. I can’t disagree with you except about the Iranian hostage situation. Reagan submarined Carter on that.

You’d have to be a miserable President if the governor of California can get a leg up on you.

]]> By: bezelt http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3825069 bezelt Sun, 27 May 2007 16:19:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3825069 Way to go NEW CONGRESS. Now the OLD Congress would not have done that. The old Congress rode shotgun for the Bush team as it rode in and out of "Lawbreakers Gulch", break a law, remake the law such that it conforms to the lawbreakers performance. And speaking of PERFORMANCE, where is there a record of the Bush team's performance? They talk RHETORIC. Not Performance. "Q": What is a good way to stop the unauthorized downloading of copyright material? "A": "Blow up" the computers of the downloaders. And later, a battery type product showed up, that would do exactly that. "Q": How to fix the high price of gasoline? "A": Put $100.00 in the pockets of every voting American. "Q": How to process IMPEACHABLE BEHAVIOR? "q": What is the party of the President? "a": Democrat. "q": Has impeachment count down started? "a": yes "q": What is the offense? "a": Bad personal behavior. "q": Is he impeached yet? If no - Impeach Now. "Q": How to process IMPEACHABLE BEHAVIOR? "q": What is the party of the President? "a": Republican. "q": Has the Impeachment count down started? "a": no. "q": Have you reset American's moral, ethical standards and character to the same level as the Republicans? If not do so now. There is no need for an Impeachment process. Remember, the Republicans are THE WAY AND THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT(as they define it) Way to go NEW CONGRESS. Now the OLD Congress would not have done that. The old Congress rode shotgun for the Bush team as it rode in and out of “Lawbreakers Gulch”, break a law, remake the law such that it conforms to the lawbreakers performance.

And speaking of PERFORMANCE, where is there a record of the Bush team’s performance? They talk RHETORIC. Not Performance.

“Q”: What is a good way to stop the unauthorized downloading of copyright material?
“A”: “Blow up” the computers of the downloaders.

And later, a battery type product showed up, that would do exactly that.

“Q”: How to fix the high price of gasoline?
“A”: Put $100.00 in the pockets of every voting American.

“Q”: How to process IMPEACHABLE BEHAVIOR?
“q”: What is the party of the President?
“a”: Democrat.
“q”: Has impeachment count down started?
“a”: yes
“q”: What is the offense?
“a”: Bad personal behavior.
“q”: Is he impeached yet? If no – Impeach Now.

“Q”: How to process IMPEACHABLE BEHAVIOR?
“q”: What is the party of the President?
“a”: Republican.
“q”: Has the Impeachment count down started?
“a”: no.
“q”: Have you reset American’s moral, ethical standards and character to the same level as the Republicans? If not do so now. There is no need for an Impeachment process.

Remember, the Republicans are THE WAY AND THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT(as they define it)

]]> By: nellieh http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3825002 nellieh Sun, 27 May 2007 15:23:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3825002 10 bills but not the most important. I expected the withdrawl to be happening now. Not 3 mos, another Friedman Unit, another 3 mos. The Democrats in Congress are fracturing the party and causing defections that will hurt them in '08. The Republicans have reason to jump for joy. The Democrats just gave them a lifeline. We are in the middle of a blood feud in Iraq and nothing we or any other country can do to quell it. The Sunni and Shia' will climb over the bodies of Al qaeds and the US to get at each other. We aren't liberators there! We are in the way! Saddam, however brutal, kept them from getting at each other. We removed him and this is what we have. A Christian country occupying land of Muslims is not going to create peace. We are creating another target just by being 'infidels. It's obvious our memories are not as long as theirs. OUR only solution to stop losing soldiers is to leave. This was a mistake and nothing is going to change that. Democratic Iraq? Laughable. Their Koran won't permit it. They are as commited to their book as the evangelical unerrant bible believers in the administration are to theirs. 10 bills but not the most important. I expected the withdrawl to be happening now. Not 3 mos, another Friedman Unit, another 3 mos. The Democrats in Congress are fracturing the party and causing defections that will hurt them in ‘08. The Republicans have reason to jump for joy. The Democrats just gave them a lifeline. We are in the middle of a blood feud in Iraq and nothing we or any other country can do to quell it. The Sunni and Shia’ will climb over the bodies of Al qaeds and the US to get at each other. We aren’t liberators there! We are in the way! Saddam, however brutal, kept them from getting at each other. We removed him and this is what we have. A Christian country occupying land of Muslims is not going to create peace. We are creating another target just by being ‘infidels. It’s obvious our memories are not as long as theirs. OUR only solution to stop losing soldiers is to leave. This was a mistake and nothing is going to change that. Democratic Iraq? Laughable. Their Koran won’t permit it. They are as commited to their book as the evangelical unerrant bible believers in the administration are to theirs.

]]> By: Bill http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824935 Bill Sun, 27 May 2007 14:21:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824935 Agree with many above who thing this is a snail's pace. And .... 1 item actually enacted in 6 months ..... the R's are laughing their butts off. And the one item costs how much support of their base? Mine for one. I had given to quite a number of Blue causes last cycle and they all aligned with Bush when it counted. WTF? I wrote my congressman to complain of his vote, he wrote back with news of a different reality .... that this is the beginning of the end of the war and there were timelines!!!!!!!!!!! Is this the ploy where you lie so much it becomes reality? did the D's hire rove part time? Agree with many above who thing this is a snail’s pace. And …. 1 item actually enacted in 6 months ….. the R’s are laughing their butts off. And the one item costs how much support of their base? Mine for one. I had given to quite a number of Blue causes last cycle and they all aligned with Bush when it counted. WTF?
I wrote my congressman to complain of his vote, he wrote back with news of a different reality …. that this is the beginning of the end of the war and there were timelines!!!!!!!!!!! Is this the ploy where you lie so much it becomes reality? did the D’s hire rove part time?

]]> By: Bruce Gorton http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824881 Bruce Gorton Sun, 27 May 2007 09:24:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824881 Reagan got into power, on the back of America's disgust at the Iranian hostage crisis, which he made worse, and then promptly sold weapons to the guys who took American hostages in Iran. And you are trying to make out as if Carter was the problem there? Reagan got into power, on the back of America’s disgust at the Iranian hostage crisis, which he made worse, and then promptly sold weapons to the guys who took American hostages in Iran.

And you are trying to make out as if Carter was the problem there?

]]> By: beefeater http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824866 beefeater Sun, 27 May 2007 06:23:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824866 Paying for hostages is a good thing to you, beefeater? Comment by JPark — May 27, 2007 @ 1:49 am I may have misunderstood about paying for hostages. Perot didn't pay to have his employees released. He hired armed thugs to go in and get them. Read Wings of Eagles by Ken Follett. Paying for hostages is a good thing to you, beefeater?
Comment by JPark — May 27, 2007 @ 1:49 am

I may have misunderstood about paying for hostages. Perot didn’t pay to have his employees released. He hired armed thugs to go in and get them.
Read Wings of Eagles by Ken Follett.

]]> By: beefeater http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824864 beefeater Sun, 27 May 2007 06:15:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824864 And then saying you don’t negotiate with terrorists? Glad your morals are so flexible. Comment by JPark — May 27, 2007 @ 1:49 am Okay you lost me. I prefer situational ethics but whatever. I'm also not sure where I said I wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. And here's how. Iranian "students" grab our embassy (and I'm sure you know that by international treaty it’s sovereign soil), Carter blows up a Mosque killing a few mullahs. Carter says release the hostages and we won't blow up another one, deal or no deal? And so on. Now that's a negotiation. And then saying you don’t negotiate with terrorists? Glad your morals are so flexible.

Comment by JPark — May 27, 2007 @ 1:49 am

Okay you lost me.
I prefer situational ethics but whatever.
I’m also not sure where I said I wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. And here’s how. Iranian “students” grab our embassy (and I’m sure you know that by international treaty it’s sovereign soil), Carter blows up a Mosque killing a few mullahs. Carter says release the hostages and we won’t blow up another one, deal or no deal? And so on. Now that’s a negotiation.

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824853 JPark Sun, 27 May 2007 05:49:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824853 Ok, beefeater. Paying for hostages is a good thing to you, beefeater? And then saying you don't negotiate with terrorists? Glad your morals are so flexible. Ok, beefeater. Paying for hostages is a good thing to you, beefeater? And then saying you don’t negotiate with terrorists? Glad your morals are so flexible.

]]> By: beefeater http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824845 beefeater Sun, 27 May 2007 05:40:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824845 You are good with that? Comment by JPark — May 27, 2007 @ 1:30 am Sure, if that's what it took to have the American people dump Carter. Jimmy had plenty of time to resolve the situation, should have been over in hours or days not over a year. Hell! Even Ross Perot, a private citizen, got his people out of Iran for cripes sakes. You are good with that?

Comment by JPark — May 27, 2007 @ 1:30 am

Sure, if that’s what it took to have the American people dump Carter. Jimmy had plenty of time to resolve the situation, should have been over in hours or days not over a year. Hell! Even Ross Perot, a private citizen, got his people out of Iran for cripes sakes.

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824836 JPark Sun, 27 May 2007 05:30:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824836 beefeater, Carter had a deal in place and Reagan came in and extended the length the hostages would have to stay in Iraq. You are good with that? beefeater, Carter had a deal in place and Reagan came in and extended the length the hostages would have to stay in Iraq. You are good with that?

]]> By: beefeater http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824814 beefeater Sun, 27 May 2007 05:16:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824814 Reagan submarined Carter on that. Comment by JPark — May 27, 2007 @ 12:53 am The Iranian hostage debacle was over a year old before Reagan cut Carters legs out, and Carter deserved every bit of it. His inaction is causing problems to this day. As for Viet Nam, remember that FDR approved and Truman used the nuclear bomb to both destroy the Japanese will to fight and to let the Soviet Union know we both had it and would use it. 1 or 2 nukes in North Viet Nam would have solved the problem and let the Chinese know that we would still use one. If the world doesn't respect us they should at least fear us. Reagan submarined Carter on that.

Comment by JPark — May 27, 2007 @ 12:53 am

The Iranian hostage debacle was over a year old before Reagan cut Carters legs out, and Carter deserved every bit of it. His inaction is causing problems to this day.
As for Viet Nam, remember that FDR approved and Truman used the nuclear bomb to both destroy the Japanese will to fight and to let the Soviet Union know we both had it and would use it. 1 or 2 nukes in North Viet Nam would have solved the problem and let the Chinese know that we would still use one.
If the world doesn’t respect us they should at least fear us.

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824806 JPark Sun, 27 May 2007 05:11:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824806 By the way, beefeater, exactly how disasterous WAS the pullout from Vietnam? By the way, beefeater, exactly how disasterous WAS the pullout from Vietnam?

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824788 JPark Sun, 27 May 2007 04:54:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824788 Oh, and the pussyfooting around point...they had been escalating for years. Air strikes were at an all time high during the Nixon admin. I don't think most people understand how difficult and costly it is to subdue a native population. Oh, and the pussyfooting around point…they had been escalating for years. Air strikes were at an all time high during the Nixon admin. I don’t think most people understand how difficult and costly it is to subdue a native population.

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824787 JPark Sun, 27 May 2007 04:53:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824787 I can't disagree with you except about the Iranian hostage situation. Reagan submarined Carter on that. I can’t disagree with you except about the Iranian hostage situation. Reagan submarined Carter on that.

]]> By: beefeater http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824783 beefeater Sun, 27 May 2007 04:51:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824783 Now, are you going to defend Bush to the death when he is clearing brush at the old hobby ranch? Comment by JPark — May 26, 2007 @ 11:46 pm Nope, I would be one of the 70 some percent that think we are going about this conflict all wrong. I think Bush pissed down his leg every bit as much as Truman did in Korea, Kennedy did with the Bay of Pigs, Johnson and Nixon did in Viet Nam, Carter did with the Iranians and Clinton did in Serbia. If you're going to pull a gun, then shoot to kill. If a decision is made to use military force then use it till the job is done and then leave. Have the courage of your convictions, kick the crap out of the opposition and let the cards fall were they may. When I came back to the world from Nam I protested the war. I was in the streets, not because I thought the idea was wrong but because I was sick of the pussy footing around. Politics and indecision, on both sides, are killing our soldiers, and it does make me sick. Now, are you going to defend Bush to the death when he is clearing brush at the old hobby ranch?

Comment by JPark — May 26, 2007 @ 11:46 pm

Nope, I would be one of the 70 some percent that think we are going about this conflict all wrong. I think Bush pissed down his leg every bit as much as Truman did in Korea, Kennedy did with the Bay of Pigs, Johnson and Nixon did in Viet Nam, Carter did with the Iranians and Clinton did in Serbia. If you’re going to pull a gun, then shoot to kill. If a decision is made to use military force then use it till the job is done and then leave. Have the courage of your convictions, kick the crap out of the opposition and let the cards fall were they may.
When I came back to the world from Nam I protested the war. I was in the streets, not because I thought the idea was wrong but because I was sick of the pussy footing around.
Politics and indecision, on both sides, are killing our soldiers, and it does make me sick.

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824772 m12 Sun, 27 May 2007 04:42:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824772 #25 HAven't you read the garbage that Maureen Dowd writes? #25

HAven’t you read the garbage that Maureen Dowd writes?

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/comment-page-1/#comment-3824730 JPark Sun, 27 May 2007 04:02:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/congress-showing-results/#comment-3824730 faith, the right speaks with one voice you know. And do you know what that voice says? Baaaaahhhhhh. faith, the right speaks with one voice you know. And do you know what that voice says? Baaaaahhhhhh.

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