A mass resignation at the Justice Department
was contemplated in the days after Alberto Gonzales and Andrew Card paid a brazen visit to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft on his hospital bed. Newsweek reports:
Back at the Justice Department, there is an equally extraordinary scene. Appalled by the White House’s heavy-handed attempt to coerce the gravely ill attorney general, virtually the entire top leadership of the Justice Department is threatening to resign. The group includes the director of the FBI, Robert Mueller, Associate Attorney General Robert McCallum and the chief of the Criminal Division, Chris Wray. Some of them gather in the conference room of Deputy Attorney General James Comey, who describes Ashcroft’s bravely turning away the president’s men from his hospital bed. The mood that night in the conference room was tense–and sober. “This was a showdown,” says a former senior Justice Department official who was there. “Everybody understood the choice they were making and the gravity of the situation. Everybody knew what the stakes were.” A different source estimated that as many as 30 top DOJ officials would have resigned.
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But they didn’t. And the shredding of the constitution goes on. It’s like that commercial popular on television now about “almost giving”. Almost resigning is the same thing.
May 27th, 2007 at 8:15 amAnd now it is time for Gonzalez to call it quit,so the Justice Department can start the rebuilding again…the sooner the better for all concerned,the nation and the people .
May 27th, 2007 at 8:20 amDragging this is not a healthy thing to do.
Gonzalez cannot function well under such conditions and climate.
The President should tell him to leave,and start fresh, learning also from these lessons.
The nation should not be put at the mercy of the interests of the few.
Gonzalez said he thinks about resigning everyday…
He should then stop thinking about it now by simply resigning.
Yeah well they stayed. And now the Iraq war and the Neocon experiment has destroyed the Republican party forever!
Hey bud, got Zawahiri??
May 27th, 2007 at 8:23 amIf that many high ranking officials knew that the level of malfeasance was serious enough for them to band together in protest, threatening to resign…..why the hell didn’t they band together and tell the American public that the White House was brazenly corrupting our system of justice in particular and our government in general? They all knew the law.
If our government is going to be protected from these fascioso…honest people (of which I would hope the DOJ had no shortage of, ahem), can’t sit by in silence. Especially not when they’ve already stood together in protest, albeit behind the scenes.
This is the type of cowardly behavior that’s driven us this far down the hellhole.
May 27th, 2007 at 8:23 am”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.”
-Top Bush aide
Truer words have never been spoken. Except that empire part.
May 27th, 2007 at 8:27 amThey probably figured, rightly so, that if the resigned en masse, that even more cronies would have been put in place.
May 27th, 2007 at 8:28 amIn Germany in the 1930s and 1940s, as in America of the present time, it is the self-righteous complacency and mindless obedience of the middle class that allows the tyrant and his thugs to rule…the insipid ranks of mediocre men and women who have nothing on their minds or in their souls but a lust for filthy lucre and a desire for a “comfortable” life. Hardship is better:it makes you strong or does away with you altogether. i choose hardship and the struggle for meaning, whatever the cost.
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html
May 27th, 2007 at 8:35 amWho would have known that the “neocon experiment” had as an unintended consequence the demise of the Republican Party? Karl Rove divided America after 9-11 for political gain in his march toward a “permanent Republican majority” and instead got an unending war and occupation and a historically unpopular President escalating an unpopular war.
May 27th, 2007 at 8:39 amWhat courage they would have had.
What a great day for American values it would have been.
What a proud moment it almost was.
It almost wasn’t business as usual.
It was a shock to learn of Ashcroft’s integrity in this matter. Too bad it didn’t amount to anything.
Seems like Americans don’t act their values, don’t make hard decisions with gravity, don’t stop the bully after all.
What was that 200 years of being a leader in freedom around the world all about?
Dumb luck. Happenstance.
There is little of any worth anywhere in America that I can see, just a feeding frenzy of the powerful eating the weak, the strong exploiting the rest at home and around the world.
I would like to see a magnetic bumper-ribbon that says, “God forgive America,” rather than the ones about how deserving of blessings we are.
This country has morphed into an unrestrained capitalist heaven where no one has recourse and the true elites - the business leaders and billionaires - play with the people like pawns. Our leaders are the most venal and cynical in a century or more, and they have vast media apparatuses to sell us what we don’t need, and give away what we do.
We are treated as passive recipients of sophisticated entertainment marketing - sadly, in politics and religion, not just in the more frivolous areas of American Idol and who-can-buy-a-bigger-SUV.
If this were not true journalists would actually do their jobs, and the people would be educated and savvy enough to know what’s important, what questions to ask and how noit to take no for an answer, as Americans once were, and not that long ago.
Someday our obese grandchildren, narcotized by the purest drugs of our times - consumerism, ennui, complacency, religion, sports, celebrity-worship - will look up from their playstations and 100-inch tv screens at the last minute, as the electrical grid suddenly shuts off forever and out come the long knives, the hordes of the kind of people we were two hundred years ago coming over the hill demanding what we threw away.
May they do better than we have.
As I say, it sure would have been something had these powerful legal leaders not caved in to yet bigger powers.
Woulda been great.
Woulda been America.
BTW, no one has yet to ask the president how much money he has made in investments in war industries.
Is this a question we should not be asking?
Where are you people?
May 27th, 2007 at 8:39 amGood post @ 7.
I would point out a significant difference between the Germany of the 30’s and 40’s and the U.S. today. The vast majority of the American people have come to realize what the Bush administration is up to and only a complicit media maintains the veneer of false legitimacy. That desire for the “comfortable” life will be turned on its head when push comes to shove. I have faith in the 75% of us that oppose the tyrant.
Be ready to fight.
May 27th, 2007 at 8:45 amdw you’re too cynical. It awlays goes back to America’s overwhelming support of bashing Muslim skulls after 911 in my opinion. Make no mistake America does NOT care for the Muslim community. Hell they don’t even like the peace loving Latinos who work so hard here.
But since 911 we have seen one mistake after another and we’ve yet to see trials for the folks who orchestrated and admitted to 911. Yeah, Americans have figured it out all on their own and we didn”t need Mueller to resign to do it.
Hey bud, got Zawahiri?
May 27th, 2007 at 8:55 amPlenty of people in government employment have resigned over the last six years in protest of the illegal actions of the Bush administration.
Many more have retired or left their long careers after repeatedly seeing promotions go to unqualified yet loyal “Bushies” pushing their partisan agenda. That agenda is to funnel profit to corporations and nothing as far as service provided to Americans.
Any failure of Governmnet for American Citizens is a success for George Bush. This is his way of proving his philosophy going back to Regan, That government does not work.
This is the same way a fascist would run their government.
The way these high level resignations have been made NON-stories by the American media ia the way a fascist run media would report on them as well.
May 27th, 2007 at 8:59 am#7 and #10 not one mention of Germany’s 30% unemployment in your posts or the link.
May 27th, 2007 at 9:04 amI don’t think it’s productive or helpful to compare America to Nazi Germany. I think the only real link there is your hatred of both Bush and Nazis.
so where were these brave souls during abu g’s confirmation hearings?
May 27th, 2007 at 9:21 amBut since 911 we have seen one mistake after another and we’ve yet to see trials for the folks who orchestrated and admitted to 911.
Comment by LandSurveyor
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm
May 27th, 2007 at 9:26 am11 -
You are quite right, although whether I am too cynical, not cynical enough, or the porridge is “just right” will only be proven over time. Personally, I meet many individuals with integrity who care more for their deepest values than money. None of them go near careers in politics or business, however.
The best people in America are teachers, nurses, social workers. Case managers. Carers for the poor and mentally ill. They are working themselves to death caring for others and can often not even pay their own bills.
Meanwhile, the people I know who are successful business types laugh at the idea of a social contract, an obligation among Americans to help the weak, to save the destitute, to mitigate the highly efficient capitalist machine in any way. To be a community and to share the wealth and comfort being an American used to imply.
The new Constitution should read, “Money talks, b*****t walks, and might makes right.” If you think this is cynical, have you every heard the name Dick Cheney before?
How about Halliburton? The Carlysle Group?
No?
But you know who won the American idol. You’re listening to a podcast of it right now. Who cares about complicated issues and politics when there’s so much good entertainment?
I know people who started off relatively decently but chose to get business degrees and wound up with enormous suburban McMansions (or Upper-East-Side condos), BMW’s and SUVs. You know, bulging portfolios and a chronic case of Pissed Off at the Mexicans. These people may have meant well at one time, but today they offer nothing. They have truly abhorrent ideas of fairness, justice, or social equality. What they have in common is that they distance themselves to whatever extent possible from the true suffering of the American people, while still keeping up with, and surpassing, the Joneses.
“Conservative” and “Liberal” alike.
Yes, you might say, but they pay taxes and give to charity.
Wrong on both counts. They shelter their income IN charitable giving, which is in itself a poor susbtitute for effective public policy. No one should have to beg some fat priest for a crust of bread. There is, after all, the concept of “human rights.” Somewhere - but not here.
They bought the narrative that says greed is good and caring for others is for bleeding-heart wimps with no true sense of morality. If you want to help the poor, kill them, they seem to be saying.
But I Digress! Proudly!
At no point anywhere in the ridiculously-ill-informed immigration “debate” has anyone asked even the most basic questions: What does illegal migrant-worker immigration have to do with Osama bin Laden? Or terrorism in the larger sense? How many terrorists have crossed the Mexican border - not recently, but EVER?
And what about Canada? Can’t a dangerous person squeeze into our country from up there? Or how about our thousands of miles of coastline? Where are the True Patriots to tell us we need a thousand-foot-high steel wall around every inch of American soil, to protect our freedom? To keep out the “evildoers” looking for seven dollars an hour picking fruit?
None of the 9-11 hijackers crossed the border into the US from mexico, and Hispanics have been crossing the border illegally since we stole the Southwest from Mexico, also illegally, over a century ago.
I predict another fabulously expensive non-cure to a Munchausian problem of our own devising that will, while utterly failing as common sense or policy, still net the largest corporate scum with enormous dips into the common wealth of the the people’s till.
Cynical?
We’ll see.
BTW, I’m a little irritable this morning. Can’t you tell?
May 27th, 2007 at 9:26 amGonzo and Alito should never have been confirmed.
They both lied to Congress.
Add to that the load of recess appointments jammed in without congress and we’re stuck with these bastards forEVER.
May 27th, 2007 at 9:27 amExactly, ron-
I’ll never forget when Diane Feinstein asked Gonzales if he felt Bush had the right to propagandize to Americans on American soil, which is illegal.
I have no doubts that all members of the government have been accutely aware of the Bush transgressions. But Bush has always had anti-Muslim sentiment working for him.
May 27th, 2007 at 9:29 amwell dw it just hasn’t gotten bad enough for the man on the street. So don’t beat yourself up. If and when it goes to crap find comfort that you can say “I told you so”.
May 27th, 2007 at 9:37 amIn the meantime focus on the solid evidence. Osama isn’t connected to 911 according to the FBI?? Well that sounds like a heckova cheesey but effective news soundbite, know what I’m saying? Man I think I’ll contact my local news “man on the street? and bring that up.
#13 LandSurveyor:
21st century America has, at least, a total of 100 million people either 1) unemployed, 2) under-employed/partly employed with no health insurance or 3) homeless. That’s a good 30%.
21st century America _IS_ the fulfilment of the Fourth Reich - with jet aviation, autobahns, telescreens for mass media brainwashing, and shopping malls constituting the concentration camp walls.
No point in denial of the direct lineage (nothing to do with “hating” the fascist Dynasty either): Bush’s grandfather funded the Third Reich, and Bush’s father - former head of CIA - had direct role in closing the book and further investigation into JFK’s assassination (not to mention the assassination itself)…
http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=2928756561478705121
May 27th, 2007 at 9:43 amhttp://www.peaceproject.com/books/dvd75.htm
I echo Jay in his astute observation that “…only a complicit media maintains the veneer of false legitimacy.” I just wish I believed that 75% of the American people oppose the tyrant — particularly since Bush still has an approval rating of 28% (or thereabouts) and there are always those who “don’t know” so is numbers are a little too upbeat. Still, look at all the people who oppose the illegal occuption — let’s STOP calling it a WAR — and want us home from Iraq. Maybe that’s how Jay found his numbers.
Some other great comments here. Too bad things only almost happened. But perhaps things are finally happening in a way positive to our democracy. Let’s keep the faith and keep on keeping on. We gotta change the world to the better. Indeed, think progress!!
May 27th, 2007 at 9:44 amWell they should have resigned, but instead they enabled the Bush Regime to ruin the Justice Department.
May 27th, 2007 at 9:56 amGood Morning to all you cheery folks on TP!
dw, I found myself nodding in agreement many times while reading your posts.
We need a serious, serious, wake-up call.
With all of our liberties being secretly, and not so secretly, being chipped away; what’s to stop Chimp-Boy from taking over the entire gvt at any point he deems is an “emergency”?
He now has the power to do it. I posted it on a Think Fast thread a couple of days ago.
We are on a slippery slope, America.
May 27th, 2007 at 9:58 amThere should be mass resignation at the Pentagon, but most of the Generals are too afraid to do it. The US soldiers in Iraq should refuse to go out on any more suicide missions and those still in the US should refuse to go to Iraq. They all must resist the criminal Bush cabal.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:07 amCheney Blasts Geneva Convention
Sad.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:11 amAnd all of us Americans should stage a massive labor strike to completely shut down the economic system for at least one day.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:13 amwas contemplated.
This is what passes for news at TP.
Here’s some news I just came up with:
The Democratic Party is on the verge of imploding.
Obama’s wife is thinking about leaving him.
Many in the military believe today’s liberal exhibit traitorous behavior towards the war.
Congressional Democrats quitely admit their pre-election ‘bring the troops’ retoric was aimed at misguided anti-war liberals to get their votes.
Wow, that was pretty easy.
Does the inquirer have a blog?
May 27th, 2007 at 10:13 amhow honorable to almost resign from a criminal regime. how like the considered approach to convince the same people appointed by the regime not to resign, and not to tell congress about the crime worthy of impeachment. how very appropriate of them not to draw up the warrant for the arrest of the perpetrator. how wonderful it is that no one did anything.
what trash. attorneys working for this country, the people, and the law of the land. but not doing what is required by law. ignoring it and forgetting it.
It is time for the ABA to consider disbarment for all of these people, for they have admitted to violating not only the constitution, the laws in question, and the obstruction of justice.
and these appear to be the best we have. self serving and small minded. slow witted and easily bought. now we know that our entire justice department hierarchy is willing to subvert justice and keep any violation of the law hidden from those they serve.
some country we have. some great public servants. where can I spit?
May 27th, 2007 at 10:31 amEight years of solid failure, and the United States is bankrupted Strategicly, financially and morally by the Lying commander n’ Chimp and his bunch of fools.
That’s a story that never gets old.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:32 amCaptainMantastic:
Seriously though, is Obama’s wife is thinking about leaving the Senator?! I always figured it would be the reverse, a la David Palmer from Day One of 24.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:40 amComment by JPV — May 27, 2007 @ 9:26 am
Just checked that out. He’s listed as a “suspect” in other terrorist attacks.
Bush had to pin 9/11 on someone, or else he couldn’t carry out his war of choice. He couldn’t blame it on Saddam although he tried to suggest that there was a connection. I especially love his pathetic attempt at distancing himself from such suggestions with this statement:
“Did Saddam pick up the phone and order the attack on America? Of course not.”
Bin Laden was the obvious choice because I think deep down inside, Bush knew what a threat he was, based on info given by the Clinton administration and the intelligence gathered after Bush took office. I still think Bush and/or others in his administration knew what was coming and just let it happen because look at what it could give him: the chance at a second term no matter how ineffective he was on other issues during his first term, billions in revenue for his corporate friends, a grab at unlimited power, and a boost to his ego. He gambled because he knew with a Republican majority in one or both houses of Congress the chances were slim that he would be impeached for any wrongdoing. We see now how disinterested the Repubs were in investigating anything he did regarding the “war” and all the stuff that went along with it (warrantless wiretapping, et al). When he was fighting for privitizing Social Security, I read in USA Today that it was his goal to cement Republican control of the government for decades to come by convincing the American people that the Republicans had this new, fresh, and great idea to shore up Social Security while painting the Democrats as having no new ideas for SS and instead supporing the same old program.
Even with a Dem win in one or both houses of Congress, which Bush likely didn’t think would happen what with the efforts the Repubs made in suppressing voter turnout and rigging electronic voting machines and painting the Dems as soft on terror and as supporters of terrorism (a stretch, I know, but he gambled anyway), he gambled that they wouldn’t win enought seats to have the support to impeach and remove him from office. It was a major gamble, and so far it has worked, his low approval rating and eroding support from other Repubs notwithstanding.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:40 amP.S. oldtree — the AMA cannot “disbar” anyone. Get your facts straight. There were no mass resignations. No violations of the Constitution or other laws. No obstruction of justice.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:42 amAMA = ABA
May 27th, 2007 at 10:43 amComment by CaptainMantastic — May 27, 2007 @ 10:13 am
Well, it is news, even though the pu**ies wimped out. Then again, I agree with an earlier comment that had they resigned, Bush would have just replaced them with his cronies and we would have been in deeper shite. Maybe we could have had another government official whose only life experience was breeding horses.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:45 amI think about resigning all the time then realize that my bills don’t get paid and come to my senses.
I don’t think it’s productive or helpful to compare America to Nazi Germany. I think the only real link there is your hatred of both Bush and Nazis.
Comment by LandSurveyor — May 27, 2007 @ 9:04 am
I think it is more than accurate to make that comparison. I always laugh when I think about the Bush family tree. Prescott Bush was a slick banker in NY who loaned Hitler the $$ needed to raise an army. This only stopped in 1944 (loaning money) and Prescott was fined $10,000.00.
This didn’t deter the Bush family. George 41 became the head of the CIA and took control of the English legacy triggering WW1 called Mesopotamia. Bush 41 happened to be photographed at the Texas School Book Depository on the day of JFKs assignation. George 41 was involved with The Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, all of the Mideast conflicts after the lower 48 peaked, Iran/Contra, Osama, fall of the USSR and the Gulf War.
A few years go by and his son Bush 43 shortly after his election announces that, “We are running out of energy!” Shortly after that he creates a military dictatorship on 9-11-01 as a result of a Military Coup that attacked buildings in NY and Washington DC. He invaded Afghanistan to secure rights to construct the Baku-Ceyhan Pipeline connecting Caspian Sea resources to Basrah in Iraq. Naturally Iraq was also invaded to secure Basrah and all of the Iraqi resources.
I left a lot out since you should know most of this already. The world has been mad over oil since WW1 and has been nothing but a chain of military dictatorships since and that includes the USA. Presidents that don’t play the game wind up with their brains on the trunk.
It is accurate to compare America to Nazi Germany since it was America that created Hitler and funded the Nazi Party. The Germans killed plenty but then so did Ike by starving millions of German POWs (11 million). Some believe that Patton’s death was a result of a conflict between he and Ike over the disposition of the POWs after the war (Patten released his and Ike had them recaptured and liquidated in France).
War is hell people and we are going there again since Bush 43 now intends to use the “Surge” to invade Iran. Naturally you didn’t think that we need to increase our numbers in Iraq? We built bases in Iraq for millions of soldiers that are going to invade all those nasty terror places.
Police state at home and war abroad! Growing unemployment at home and death abroad! Hell these guys invented Hitler so they know how to do a dictatorship justice!
May 27th, 2007 at 10:48 amWC > 9/11/01 was too important to Bush to have let a terrorist event to take place as a gamble. I hate to say it but it seems the entire event was planned out by Bush and Cheney. I will not say more because TP does not like this matter discussed on the threads.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:48 amcoulda, shoulda, woulda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 27th, 2007 at 10:49 amYeah
P.S. oldtree — the AMA cannot “disbar†anyone. Get your facts straight. There were no mass resignations. No violations of the Constitution or other laws. No obstruction of justice.
Comment by Jake — May 27, 2007 @ 10:42 am
Good to see that you have no problem with this administration going to someone for approval of a questionable spying program when that person has no authority whatsoever to give the approval. Keep it up, idiot. I do believe the Bush administration has failed to prove how warrantless wiretapping is legal, other than “our lawyers told us so.”
And since you mention the ABA, I do belive the president of that organization has publicly stated that the warrantless wiretapping program is illegal. Are you challenging him on that fact? Do you have proof that he is wrong?
You still haven’t answered these simple questions:
Why does Bush to to the FISA court for a warrant to wiretap a domestic call (which could easily include a known or suspected terrorist) but refuses to go to the court when one end of the call is in international territory?
Why does Bush care about the time taken to get a warrant when wiretapping involves one type of call (domestic-international) but runs to the FISA court and doesn’t care how long it takes to get a warrant when it involves another (domestic-domestic)?
May 27th, 2007 at 10:55 amGWB will never budge on Iraq and he will not give up the presidency in 09. Remember all the dictatorships the U.S. installed in south america during Reagan-Bush and Bush-Quayle? The Bush family’s CIA cronies of those years are still hankering for action and they are expert at toppling foreign governments. What is important to remember is how vulnerable this nation is to complete fascist takeover. We have nothing like the IRA going for us. There is no armed militia as defined in our Charter Documents. We have depended on and taken for granted the Constitution as if it would protect us for eternity. Why shouldn’t there be a Bush-Cheney coup attempt? These two bastards have done exactly what they have desired for six years and Congress under Pelosi has echoed this idiocy: “I took him at his word.” Bush is talking to the Coast Guard and Cheney is working with West Point, for what? We have all lamented and deplored all the attacks on our Charter Documents and have heard Bush say a dictatorship would be nice if he were the dictator? We can certainly take him at his word on that one. Now, let’s all imbibe a bit more Soma and blissfully await 09 when we can welcome a new Democratic president? What a crock!
May 27th, 2007 at 11:01 amComment by Jay Randal — May 27, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Dude, I agree. We’ll probably never know what really happened, but I think there is a fine line between letting it happen and planning it. But I still think it was a gamble (even a slim one) because — and again this is my opinion — it wasn’t 100% foolproof.
As Forrest Gump would say, “And that’s all I’m going to say about that.” (Or something to that effect).
May 27th, 2007 at 11:02 amOoops. Correction: “Why does Bush GO to the FISA court…”
May 27th, 2007 at 11:03 amTorture Boy was just being a ‘good little fascist’ and following orders, lets’ just pretend Its’ ALL O.K.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:08 amI apologize if anyone NOT on the Ignore List asked me simple (or even complicated) questions that I missed. Anyone who posts that Bush planted demolitions at the WTC will be automatically added to the List. That is simply beyond crazy, in Rosie O’Donnell territory.
For the record, however, I will trust James Comey’s legal judgment on this program, since he reviewed both the facts and law, over the ABA. While there was admittedly a hiccough, he testified the program was eventually tweaked and legal. There were, in fact, no mass resignations.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:11 amP.S. Captain Mantastic:
Did you hear that Bill Clinton was going to divorce Hillary?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ pages/ live/ articles/ news/ worldnews.html?in_article_id=457708&in_page_id=1811
May 27th, 2007 at 11:14 amtrueblue, thanks for the link.
Who is Dick Cheney talking about here?
The words Dick uses to describe “the terrorists” could equally apply to the evangelical, neo-christian, neo-con State Terrorist government of the United States. Dick projects the evil that America has become onto his enemies.
Quite frankly, it doesn’t matter to the Bush Administration, nor the Republican Party, for that matter, what 75% of the country thinks. What matters is that the 5% who control 90% of the nations wealth continue to support Him, and the 25% who follow an authoritarian leader fill the ranks of either the military or the supra-military mercenary corporations. By maintaining control of wealth and force of arms, Bush can do whatever he wants.
In the global game of RISK that Bush is playing, he has conquered 2 countries in strategic locations and is busy building fortresses in the Middle East. He is poised to attack the third strategic country and secure domineering control over the world’s oil supplies.
Now, here’s the end game. It’s not about increasing the flow of oil to the US. It’s about shutting down the flow of oil. It’s about creating a shortage of an essential product. It’s about supply and demand. With a shrinking supply for an essential good, the price skyrockets. Profits soar.
Iraqi oil is basically off the market. The price of gasoline has doubled since Bush came into power, and it is on track to double again in 2007.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:17 amA different source estimated that as many as 30 top DOJ officials would have resigned.
But they decided to keep their cushy government jobs instead of sending that loud and clear message to this administration — and the American people.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:20 am#44 - Briseadh na Faire
Well said.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:24 amThere is a lot of delusional thinking in these posts regarding the “demise of the Republican party.” That is wishful thinking. 95 percent of Americans don’t know where to find the blogs, much less read them. They continue to feed on the pablum that the MSM feeds them, and they buy into the mantra of Tweetie and the other hacks that it isn’t consrvatism that is the problem, it is just this one misguided president that is screwing EVERYTHING up. Just ask my idiot relatives. They are waiting for a better conservative to clean up the mess. God help them–and us.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:55 amUnfortunately, no one did anything and incompetence was allowed to persist. Woulda, shouda, coulda. Big deal, nothing came of it.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:56 amComment by Jake — May 27, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Which means it was illegal before it was “tweaked” and up to that point being used to track “terrorists.”
You still didn’t answer the two questions I posed about warrantless wiretapping.
And if I’m on your ignore list, oh God, my life is over.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:02 pmComment by Jake — May 27, 2007 @ 11:11 am
Regarding that day there are 3 possibilities…
1) The 9-11 Commission’s explanation is correct.
2) The Bush Team LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) as explained on their web site claiming that it would take a “Pearl Harbor” type event to start the NWO.
3) The Bush Team MIHOP (made it happen on purpose) by having operatives from other countries do the job and this is still covered under the “New American Century” site as a “Pearl Harbor” event. http://www.newamericancentury.org/
The fact that 4 jets were hijacked on the same day and the success rate was 75% should be a big clue. Now many have gone further and postulate that there were explosives in the buildings. I don’t see why they would be needed since the jets damaged the buildings more than enough.
So while I believe that the LIHOP or MIHOP scenarios make more sense based on what the Neocons want, the controlled demolition of WTC 1 & 2 seems unlikely. Getting pilots and hijackers would be a matter of taking hostages of family members of the mission volunteers and threatening their death. There are people in Bush 41’s former stomping grounds (CIA) that specialize in that sort of work.
Once we strip the event back to the basics we see that since everyone on those planes died it is difficult to know who was on those planes and who they operated for. For all we know the planes were flown by remote control. There are several holes in the 9-11 commission report and we must also consider who that Commission consisted of (politicians). I was not aware that politicians were experienced investigators by trade since most of them were corporate attorneys.
Many believe that the collapses were controlled demolitions because word spread that no steel building ever collapsed because of fire. These buildings were in fact cheaply constructed, asbestos loaded death traps. What was all of that asbestos for? Coatings on the light weight steel floor trusses to increase burn time. No 767 ever hit a WTC tower before but the damage was substantial.
To close I believe that a great deal about the collapses is based on FUD however the 4 hijackings and no military reaction whatsoever brings enough doubt to the 9-11 Commission report that it leaves LIHOP or MIHOP as the only real explanation.
There was a drill in progress for a plane striking the WTC that very morning and then the real thing happened. Saddam didn’t do it and didn’t have WMD. Osama was given the dubious distinction of being the “mastermind” yet it was Oliver North that was supplying Osama with weapons to fight the Russians who invaded Afghanistan to gain control of the Caspian Sea.
I mentioned in another post that it was Bush 43’s grandfather Prescott Bush who supplied Hitler with the money needed to attack all of the BLOCK countries (Poland, etc) to take it to the Russians.
The dark secret of both WW1 and WW2 is that both were wars to fight for resource control (namely Mideast Oil). Let’s go back to the scene of the crime. It was ultimately declassified that the government knew all about the bombing of Pearl Harbor weeks before it happened but LIHOP so that we could engage in the resource war and break from our social commitment to refrain from more wars.
Common sense indicates that history is repeating itself and that started on 9-11. Essentially that day switched the US to a military dictatorship and many believe that the attack was a Military Coup staged to gain popular support to invade any land that had “TERRORISTS.â€
May 27th, 2007 at 12:05 pm“Add to that the load of recess appointments jammed in without congress and we’re stuck with these bastards forEVER.”
We are only stuck with Alito. When the Democratic President takes office in 2009, he/she will clean house and get rid of all the Regent University kids along with all the other Bush incompetents. The think I fervently hope for is that all the so-called “liberal” justices hold on to their jobs long enough to get a Democratic President into office. Then God can smite the other 5.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:19 pmJake,
Rosie O’Donnell is brilliant, Bush planted explosives at the WTC, and you are a lily-livered fascist enabler.
Oh and stick your ignore list where you keep your head, up your ass.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:31 pm“But they didn’t”.
Oh for fscks sake. For someone with no real job it’s easy to tell other people to just throw away the careers they’ve been working on for a decade or more. It’s a hefty price to pay for something intangible like this, you know.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:43 pmLet’s use Logic for a moment…
Bush so far took us for over $600 BILLION and has killed nearly a million people that could not have “done 9-11″ all because he can’t find the one guy who Bush says did it.
Let me check that:
Bush so far took us for over $600 BILLION and has killed nearly a million people that could not have “done 9-11″ all because he can’t find the one guy who Bush says did it.
Yep that seems correct.
Debate?
May 27th, 2007 at 12:53 pmIt’s a hefty price to pay for something intangible like this, you know.
Comment by BottomBoy — May 27, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
And we all know you neocons don’t believe any of you should sacrifice anything, ever. All sacrifices need to come from poor people, or liberals, or brown people.
May 27th, 2007 at 1:18 pmFolks is there any doubt that Bush crime family wire tapped Dem congress people.
May 27th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI would like to see them answer that under oath ?
If a mass resignation would have happened two years ago, we’d be better off today. And so would the Constitution.
May 27th, 2007 at 1:41 pmbut they didn’t quit. Almost means nothing.
May 27th, 2007 at 5:25 pmMarie, foolme1ns,
May 27th, 2007 at 5:49 pmIf they had quit, this country would really be screwed.
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May 27th, 2007 at 6:55 pmIf they had quit, Bush would have appointed a whole lot more of the ilk like Gonzo?
Jake, I don’t know who’s leaving who in the Obama household. I do know that Barack won’t have any trouble getting chicks.
May 27th, 2007 at 7:26 pmIt is good they did not resign. After all, who would have filled their positions, more children of the corn Monica Goodlings?
May 27th, 2007 at 9:42 pmCaptainMantastic:
Exactly what we need in the Oval Office again — a narcissistic sex addict.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:34 pmWasn’t “Captain Mantastic” another one of Jeff Gannon’s web sites?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:52 pm