Anti-war groups = terrorists.
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Anti-war groups = terrorists.
“The Alabama Department of Homeland Security has taken down a Web site it operated that included gay rights and anti-war organizations in a list of groups that could include terrorists.”
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Meh, extremists, terrorists, same thing really. Cough.
May 27th, 2007 at 9:47 pmIgnorant, banjo picking twenty eight percenters…these are the people Dubya is talking to when he speaks…that is why he sounds so stupid to the 72%.
May 27th, 2007 at 9:48 pmOh heavensth, everyone knowsth gaysth are thusch thilly thavages!
May 27th, 2007 at 9:54 pmTed Kaczynski, Timothy McVeigh, and Eric Rudolph all concur…..Heckuva job DHS
May 27th, 2007 at 10:04 pmthe site has had that information up since spring 2004 and has only now been called on it… how much else is up out there that hasn’t surfaced yet…?
And, yes, I DO take it personally
May 27th, 2007 at 10:06 pmHey, my neighbors could be terrerists. They wear funny clothes and speak some other language. Hell, they might even be gay, even though they pretend to be a hetero cupple. Let’s make sure we panic, cause they just might, just maybe, could be terrerists.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:22 pmFear is so easy.
Alabama is filled with KKK nuts, so who cares what that degenerate state thinks or does.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:29 pmAnd the irony is that the KKK should be listed as terrorist organization.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:33 pmWelcome to the wonderful world of dictatorship.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:35 pmPlease note that all they are doing is removing the list from the internet.
The article says nothing about destroying the list.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:38 pmComment by Jay Randal — You forgot the Federal Government…crap I did it now. Betcha I’ma on that there list of pOtential tourists.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:40 pmJtitor,
Welcome to the wonderful world of dictatorship.
Seriously, you wouldn’t know dictatorship even if it took a piss in your mouth.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:42 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — You are correct. Hell we blog at TP, sure were on some list somewhere.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:42 pmThe article says nothing about destroying the list.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
My thought exactly.
So the list is down, who cares? Those groups will still be watched.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:43 pmRemember also that it was Alabama that had not only the ten commandments thumping judge but also the myopic superintendent of schools in Wedowee Alabama who, about 10 years ago, canceled the Senior Prom because a mixed race couple wanted to attend. There aren’t many states in the United States in more need of a huge dose of chlorine in the gene pool than is Alabama.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:44 pm11. I ment ta-saytourists…taoists….
May 27th, 2007 at 10:49 pmtoiletist….tomanylists….te…tero….terrorists!
Seriously, you wouldn’t know dictatorship even if it took a piss in your mouth.
Comment by DreamCrusher — May 27, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
Apparently you’re the deluded soul who thinks he still lives in a free country.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:54 pmSeriously, you wouldn’t know dictatorship even if it took a piss in your mouth.
Comment by DreamCrusher
Lovely. A normal commenter on TP would get deleted for something like this, but trolls just roll along — no problemo.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:01 pmshane,
Tell me again what you are not free to do in your country. As I have said numerous times, you fools take everything you have for granted every single day and pretend you are deprived, while you seek to deprive Iraqis of having what you have.
It’s called playing a victim. Keyword: playing.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:05 pmZooey,
Sorry, but I think what I said was well deserved. I’m tired of moronic liberals in the US pretending that they are oppressed. It’s really getting old and is an affront to every truly oppressed person across the world.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:07 pmDoesn’t anybody remember? We didn’t go there to spread democracy or freedom, an impossibility proven by history, but to protect us from there weapons of mass destruction and their “yellow cake”. Oh wait, maybe it was Cheny’s $25M departing bonus from Haliburton and then Haliburton winning $1B+ NO BID contract for the Iraq war! So easily, everybody forgets, Pubs and Dems alike.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:10 pmZooey > TP must have made an agreement with the GOP to allow trolls on here for some reason, because they are never censored or deleted.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:11 pmDoesn’t anybody remember? We didn’t go there to spread democracy or freedom, an impossibility proven by history, but to protect us from there weapons of mass destruction and their “yellow cakeâ€. Oh wait, maybe it was Cheny’s $25M departing bonus from Haliburton and then Haliburton winning $1B+ NO BID contract for the Iraq war! So easily, everybody forgets, Pubs and Dems alike.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:14 pmComment by DreamCrusher — May 27, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
Oh, so you’re just here giving all your kindness away, and spreading light across this blog, is that it?
You’re just misunderstood, right?
Get over yourself.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:14 pmSeriously, you wouldn’t know dictatorship even if it took a piss in your mouth.
Comment by DreamCrusher
I lived in Argentina´s dictatorship. It´s pretty much the same except for the curfews.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:19 pmHow do you know you’ve won an agruement? When your opposition resorts to personal attacks because they got nothing.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:19 pm22 – or they made an agreement with some other entity:
http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html
May 27th, 2007 at 11:19 pmTell me again what you are not free to do in your country.
Comment by DreamCrusher
Saying that you are a communist.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:23 pmWatching dissidents getting interviews in TV & radio spectrum.
Buying their books.
Wearing a t-shirt with the number of dead soldiers in a political speech.
Living with dignity if you are from New Orleans.
Having a meeting with your political elected officials.
Getting an education if you are poor.
etc.
etc.
etc.
Listen Briseadh. I went to your link. I didn’t get far into it, but you’re doing a bit of the Pro TP people a bit of disservice. Well I guess, they have there religious right racist fallwell loonies so I guess we have ours.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:27 pmZooey > TP must have made an agreement with the GOP to allow trolls on here for some reason, because they are never censored or deleted.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 27, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
Not so. My shit gets deleted all the time.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:31 pmComment by DreamCrusher — May 27, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
I, and others who post here, know of the truly oppressed. Some are wise enough to see America head down that same path, and are speaking out now, in an attempt to prevent such oppression from occuring here.
We do not wish for a dictatorship to take a piss in our mouths, but we realize it is possible. Did you not see the pictures of our Soldiers standing next to sh!t-covered naked prisoners?
Tragically, you do not realized we are but one staged “terrorist attack” away from the very oppression you speak of. It’s been posted here before and you’re free to look back through the threads, but our government has microwave and plasma weapons, designed for use on citizens, not opposing armies. Concentration camps have already been built at various locations around the country.
And even though my political and personal philosophy is somewhat to the left of Ghandi, I am far from moronic.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:32 pmFreedom is a beautiful thing and we should all feel lucky. That being said that’s not what the reason that the American people agreed to go to war over. Than in itself is anti-democratic. We’ve seen our civil liberaties curbed by the Busch administration without any oversight or agreement, which means that the terrorists have won. This administration and all its supporters have been defeated by the terrorists.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:32 pmNot so. My shit gets deleted all the time.
Comment by Mr. President
Cool. :-D
May 27th, 2007 at 11:34 pmComment by gmoor — May 27, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
This might be an imposter. Possible the pseudo-JTitor on the other post.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:35 pmAnd even though my political and personal philosophy is somewhat to the left of Ghandi, I am far from moronic.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Well said, my friend.
I’m stuck on sarcasm mode this evening. :D
May 27th, 2007 at 11:37 pmMr. President > you are not a paid GOPer troll, so that is why some of your posts get deleted like most of us on here occasionally.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:38 pmComment by Zooey — May 27, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Hey, Zooey, so JTitor doesn’t really by into that Owl of Minerva stuff on the other thread.
I noticed you said that it was an imposter.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:38 pmgmoor – you should have gotten further into it. If you research the grove, you’ll find that apparently many of the ruling elite gather there for an interesting ritual. What I don’t know is whether the monied people behind TP take part. It’s possible. I’ve had some of my posts that hit too close for comfort for someone get “filtered.” And “trolls” do seem to have protected status around here.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:39 pmSo nobody wants to comment on my Haliburton post? All I can say is that is a fact. Please tell/show me I’m wrong. All you conservatives have nothing to say except made up reasons for going to war that came after the fact that we said we we’re going to war for. So all your arguements are null and void.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:40 pmComment by Mr. President — May 27, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
That’s because you’re not a troll, just stupid.
(note: if your posts are intended to be well-written sarcasm and satire, then what I just said is a compliment, you’ve done your job well!)
May 27th, 2007 at 11:42 pmHey, Zooey, so JTitor doesn’t really by into that Owl of Minerva stuff on the other thread.
I noticed you said that it was an imposter.
Comment by Mr. President
I don’t know what the Owl stuff is, Mr P, the style and spelling was identical to radical1a’s spew, so I think it’s an imposter.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:43 pmIt is only a matter of time before Chimpy actually DOES declare gay and antiwar groups to BE terrorists.
They’ll start black bagging people in the middle of the night.
You’ll see. It’s when, not if.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:45 pmFaire > TP seems to want the GOPer troll activity on the threads, because they have never explained WHY they remain on here. I have sent numerous E-mails to TP staff about it and they say nothing back to me. Maybe they think the threads would be boring without the trolls, but that still does not explain why TP allows them to be nasty. Some of the threads get taken over by them, so most visitors would not care to read them.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:47 pmComment by gmoor — May 27, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
It’s more than just Halliburton. It’s about controlling/restricting the flow of oil worldwide. Why wait until oil supplies decline when you can crank up the price now with a few well-placed wars? And, what the heck, it’s other people’s kids dying.
And, to keep a lid on things, anyone who complains will be labeled a terrorist and kept under surveillance – no warrants necessary, thanks to a Congress who refuses to impeach.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:48 pmAlright. I give up. I’m new to posting on TP.,but I’ve been reading TP for over a year now. After the second Bush election I promised myself I’d never be friends with another Republican since they have the blood of over 3,500 or our soldiers and my friends on their hands, as well as countless civilians. (Conservatives please don’t stupe so low as to say Hussein would have been worse. Comparing our soldiers and country to him is about as low as you can go) So forgive me, but I can’t tell who’s friend or fo.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:49 pmTom3 > the day that goons come to our doors to drag us away to camps, or kill us, then on that day America will become another Iraq.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:49 pmI don’t know what the Owl stuff is, Mr P, the style and spelling was identical to radical1a’s spew, so I think it’s an imposter.
Comment by Zooey — May 27, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
I don’t know, I spoke to *a* “JTitor” once at about 3am and the JT. I spoke to said the same things about Hegel (he’s the one referred to about the Owl). Also, the JT. I spoke to told me to watch the “Bohemian Grove” that BnF linked in post #27 above.
Oh well, who knows?
May 27th, 2007 at 11:49 pmI think this was a security breach.
The state Homeland Security agencies weren’t supposed to roll out the new list until after the next terrorist attack and martial law.
Oops. I said too much.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:51 pmThat’s because you’re not a troll, just stupid.
(note: if your posts are intended to be well-written sarcasm and satire, then what I just said is a compliment, you’ve done your job well!)
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — May 27, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
‘demz fightin’ wordz!!!
May 27th, 2007 at 11:52 pmWe’ve gotten to the point where the bloody ‘emergency’ bill that’s going to last all of 4 months is ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS! Not to mention the hundreds of lives that’ll be lost.
We can’t even get the government to spend a few million on alternative energy but they’re willing to spend 100 billion dollars for a total of 1/3 of a year? Come on.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:52 pm#7 & #8
Jay you are soooo ignorant, not to mention being a bigot.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:54 pmSo forgive me, but I can’t tell who’s friend or fo.
Comment by gmoor
As far as I can tell, gmoor, we’re on the same side. It’s just not easy to be on our side because we are individuals, not locksteppers. We can disagree on certain issues, but still be friends. :)
May 27th, 2007 at 11:55 pmOh well, who knows?
Comment by Mr. President
Of course, I could be completely wrong.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:56 pmJay you are soooo ignorant, not to mention being a bigot.
Comment by Tracy
Bigot against the KKK? Please….
Pot meet kettle.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:57 pmActually Jay is correct.
The KKK is listed as a terrorist organization by SPLC.
And law enforcement all the country read SPLCs Intelligence Report.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:59 pmMeh, extremists, terrorists, same thing really. Cough.
Comment by DreamCrusher
Said the lemming who followed a group of chickenhawks into a Mcnamara. You seem to be confusing political ideology with that water color set on your keyboard and your monitor with a crystal ball.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:01 amSo I’m signing off, but my point by bringing up the Haliburton situation is this: Us dems need to stick to the big points and keep repeating them over and over again. The republicans keep feeding us disinformation and we jump all over it. This causes us to keep moving on and instead of the people hearing one voice load and clear they hear tons of little voices, and with the American attention span these arguements are lost. Pick the big ones and keep repeating, just like they do with “Al-Qaeda & Iraq, Al-Qaeda & Iraq,Al-Qaeda & Iraq. “
May 28th, 2007 at 12:03 amNo, for saying that Alabama if filled with KKK nuts and degenerates. He obviously had never been there so goes my accurate bigot description. BTW I do think that KKK should be on a terrorist watch list. I agree with him on that 100%.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:04 amJay you are soooo ignorant, not to mention being a bigot.
Comment by Tracy
Funny from a person that believed that Saddam had WMDs. BTW, which reason for invading Iraq is in display today?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:10 amScott Bronstein and/or the TRAC have to be some of the most clueless people in regards to national security.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/27/homeland.security.record/index.html
May 28th, 2007 at 12:11 amBTW I do think that KKK should be on a terrorist watch list. I agree with him on that 100%.
Comment by Tracy
Hey, Tracy, are you familiar with the terrorist state concept?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:13 amTracy > I have been to Alabama several times and only a complete piece of trash would defend the KKK on here. Go get help since you must wear a white hood too.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:13 amgmoor, how about reading the posts and decide who you agree with and disagree with. I don’t get your dilemma.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:14 amhttp://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2723008820070528
May 28th, 2007 at 12:15 amDreamcrusher, really…”piss in your mouth”? You righties are just sick.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:15 amUmm, I have been to Alabama, Tracy. You are all inbred hillbillies.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:16 amOf the 814,073 people charged by DHS in immigration courts during the past three years, 12 faced charges of terrorism.
Sounds like Michael “Skeletor” Jerkoff at DHS is the clueless one.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:16 amTracy=trash. Enough said.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:17 am#59
I never thought he had huge stock piles.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:17 amHey, JPark…personal question: do you work at nights or something?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:18 am#61
Yes I do know what Iran is.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:19 amRepervs love water sports!
Jeffy Lube Gannon loves to hose down Karl Rove
May 28th, 2007 at 12:19 amI never thought he had huge stock piles.
Comment by Tracy
Do you think it was a direct threat to the US or just to the interests of the US? And, elaborate if you please.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:19 am#66
You are a liar and ignorant to boot.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:20 amPlease remember this is a humane catch and release website.
When you catch the troll in a lie, please release them back under their bridge.
Sorry, no clubbing the trolls.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:21 amgmoor, how about reading the posts and decide who you agree with and disagree with. I don’t get your dilemma.
Thanks JPark you made my point exactly. The American people don’t get it either.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:22 amYes I do know what Iran is.
Comment by Tracy
Can you explain what is it that Iran does so you classify it as such state?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:23 amSeriously, you wouldn’t know dictatorship even if it took a piss in your mouth.
Comment by DreamCrusher
Spoken with such authority and bravado, it sounds like you must have had a taste of it yourself.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:26 amDef. “I ran” away from Iraq because I lost an unwinnable war.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:29 amCan you show us, by pointing to Iran on a map?
Good troll. You get a cookie.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:29 am#73
It was a potential threat considering that amount of outside bribes and money Saddam was receiving in the late 1990s. To say that anyone could guarentee that he destroyed all of his biological and/or chemical weapons is crazy. It doesn’t take much of either to do alot of damage and it was very evident that Saddam was willing to sell just about anything to outsiders….including terrorists. Not a risk to be taken.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:30 amComment by Juan C — May 28, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Actually, not to give ammunitions to the trolls or anything, but the US Department of State does list Iran as a on of the state sponsors of terrorism.
Whether the list is valid, or the US has the moral and/or legal standing to issue any such list (and exclude itself) is a whole other story.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:32 am#77
Their material support for Hezbollah considering the origins of this terrorist group is Iran and the fact that it has allowed many terrorists to cross it’s borders from Afghanistan and take safe haven there.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9362/
Are you serious?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:36 am#82
Gregor can you explain why Iraq was on that same list from 1991-2003?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:39 am#62
How exactly did I defend the KKK?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:40 amIt was a potential threat considering that amount of outside bribes and money Saddam was receiving in the late 1990s.
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Then you better gear up, Tracy, because every other country in this bloody world is a potential threat.
I mean, who knows what Brazil is up to lately -considering they have a socialist president and a nuclear program. BOOH!!
To say that anyone could guarentee that he destroyed all of his biological and/or chemical weapons is crazy.
No, but it could have been certified with a certain, comfortable degree of certainty.
As things stand now, all those potential WMD could have potentially ended up in the hands of assorted insurgent groups within Iraq who could potentially use them against US troops. Or worse, potentially smuggle them into the US.
You just don’t know -all thanks to the Dear (mis)Leader himself.
[...]Saddam was willing to sell just about anything to outsiders….including terrorists. Not a risk to be taken.
Again, Tracy, better gear up. If you are going to start invading countries for what their leaders might, perhaps, potentially, may, could do in a hypothetical future, then there is a very biiiig world out there choke-full of potential baddies.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:42 amit was very evident that Saddam was willing to sell just about anything to outsiders
citation, please.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:43 amWow. There really is a TP censor. Did they wire tap me too? So this web site is just like the rest of American media.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:46 amComment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 12:39 am
The list is whimsical, and so points to its political nature: The US uses terrorism as an excuse to exert political, economic, and military pressure of countries that are too disagreeable to the designs coming out of the White House.
Pakistan is notably absent from that list, even though their support for rebels in Kashmir is well known.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:46 amArrgh.. the filter is eating my posts!!
May 28th, 2007 at 12:48 amIt was a potential threat considering that amount of outside bribes and money Saddam was receiving in the late 1990s.
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Then you better gear up, Tracy, because every other country in this bloody world is a potential threat.
I mean, who knows what Brazil is up to lately -considering they have a socialist president and a nuclear program. BOOH!!
To say that anyone could guarentee that he destroyed all of his biological and/or chemical weapons is crazy.
No, but it could have been certified with a certain, comfortable degree of certainty.
As things stand now, all those potential WMD could have potentially ended up in the hands of assorted insurgent groups within Iraq who could potentially use them against US troops. Or worse, potentially smuggle them into the US.
You just don’t know -all thanks to the Dear (mis)Leader himself.
[...]Saddam was willing to sell just about anything to outsiders….including terrorists. Not a risk to be taken.
Again, Tracy, better gear up. If you are going to start invading countries for what their leaders might, perhaps, potentially, may, could do in a hypothetical future, then there is a very biiiiig world out there and it’s choke-full of baddies.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:50 amSo if I call somebody a “jirk” with an “e” instead of an “i” it gets filtered? Wonder if I call him a “major league @sshole” is that “big time”.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:51 amgmoor, the rules are cryptic, and you learn from trial and terror.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:55 amI’ve been using lots of one off words that seem to make it, and try to refrain from direct name calling. One might describe another poster as an enormous rectal cavity and it seems to go right thru.
Gregor, perhaps TP forgot to feed the filter it’s bedtime snack?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:55 amIt was a potential threat considering that amount of outside bribes and money Saddam was receiving in the late 1990s.
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Then you better gear up, Tracy, because every other country in this world is a potential threat.
I mean, who knows what Brazil is up to lately -considering they have a socialist president and a nuclear program. BOOH!!
To say that anyone could guarentee that he destroyed all of his biological and/or chemical weapons is crazy.
No, but it could have been certified with a certain, comfortable degree of certainty.
As the situation stands now, all those potential WMD could have potentially ended up in the hands of assorted insurgent groups operating within Iraq who could potentially use them against US troops. Or worse, potentially smuggle them into the US.
You just don’t know -all thanks to the Dear (mis)Leader himself.
[...]Saddam was willing to sell just about anything to outsiders….including terrorists. Not a risk to be taken.
Again, Tracy, better gear up. If you are going to start invading countries for what their leaders might, perhaps, potentially, may, could do in a hypothetical future, then you have a very long road ahead of you. It’s a biiiiig world out there and it’s choke-full of baddies.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:57 amIs it ok to say ‘bloody’ around here? Or is it much too mature a language to be in the thread before 10PM?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:58 amRUCerious,
LOL!
That must be it -it’s some hungry filter alright….
May 28th, 2007 at 12:58 amtracy,
so just so I have your logic right, we attacked Iraq after 9/11 because rather than address our real attacker, we thought that was a good time to attack another country that was not involved in 9/11 in any way whatsoever?
That makes no sense at all. The people who are respnsible for the terrorist attack on us were NO WHERE NEAR the country we attacked.
Normally in a war, you attack your enemy not innocent bystanders.
Keep rubbing your two brain cells together, maybe someday you will spark a clue.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:03 amY’know Tracy is right, there are some nice folks in Alabama, and I know this cause I met them both.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:10 amApparently they scare easily in Alabama.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:13 amRUCerious post 96 > LOL I needed a good laugh. As for Tracy, I feel sorry for her if she lives in Alabama. Nobody could bribe me to live in that state.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:17 amComment by Ginko — May 28, 2007 @ 1:03 am
Yes, that’s what he is saying.
In his opinion, the US should invade any and all countries that could, perhaps, potentially, maybe, possibly, probably, harbor ill intentions towards the US in the future -you just never know and it’s better not to take any risks.
Such are the neo-con doctrine of “preemptive strike”, and the mentality of the faithful followers.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:18 amWell Gregor > Bush should invade Borneo, because maybe in 100 years they might cause trouble > lol.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:23 am#88
So Iran is not a state sponsor of terrorism? Do you think Hezbollah, who is funded by Iran, is a terrorist organization?
Why was Iraq on the list?
May 28th, 2007 at 1:24 am#98
Still doen’t take away your ignorance, bigotry, and the fact that you have never been to Alabama.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:28 am#99
And you guys wait untill you get hit.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:29 am#100
Too bad Borneo isn’t a real country. Please go back to sleep.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:31 amTracy > LOL the only ignorant person in here is you. Being against the KKK is not bigotry. And I have been to Alabama several times and I hope to never go there again. It is my bedtime, so go attack somebody else on here, since that is all you do.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:32 amSeriously, you wouldn’t know dictatorship even if it took a piss in your mouth.
and
Sorry, but I think what I said was well deserved. I’m tired of moronic liberals in the US pretending that they are oppressed. It’s really getting old and is an affront to every truly oppressed person across the world.
Comment by DreamCrusher
Oh, Mr. Creammuncher you hurt my sensibilities. How could I ever defend my groundless claims? Well let me try. First, who ever said I was a liberal? Second, contemporary usage, dictatorship refers to an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions, or other social and political factors within the state.
Or if you prefer; police state is a term for a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population, especially by means of a secret police force which operates above the normal constraints found in a liberal democracy. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.
Executive Order Numbers and Meaning:
10900 – Allows the government to take control over all modes of transportation, highways, and seaports.
10995 – Allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
10997 – Allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.
10998 – Allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
11000 – Allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
11001 – Allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.
11002 – Designates the Postmaster General to operate national registration of all persons.
11003 – Allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
11004 – Allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, and designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
11005 – Allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
11051 – Specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
11310 – Grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
11049 – Assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.
11921 – Allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and flow of money in the U.S.A. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the President declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
Mr. Creammuncher don’t screw with me.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:37 amComment by gmoor — Welcome
May 28th, 2007 at 1:39 amWhy was Iraq on the list?
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 1:24 am
The US accused Iraq of providing bases to assorted Mujahedeen groups, Kurdish rebels, and the PLO.
Happy now?
And you guys wait untill you get hit.
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 1:29 am
You can start fulfilling your weird fantasies of violence by advocating the invasion of Brazil: They have a socialist president (the horror!) and an active nuclear program (gasp!!).
Quick! Act before you get hit!
May 28th, 2007 at 1:50 amIn “The Italian Letter” by Peter Eiser and Knut Royce appears the following about Alan Foley, the head of the CIA’s Weapons Intelligence Non-Proliferation and Arms Control Center (WINPAC). WINPAC led the CIA’s analysis of Iraq’s purported WMD, and so Alan Foley is at the very center of what happened. What’s amazing is how little attention the following material about Alan Foley has gotten. The book came out several months ago, but according to Google, this is the first time the below sections have appeared online. Here’s what Alan Foley believed before the war (p. 125): “There were strong indications that Alan Foley all along was toeing a line he did not believe. Several days after Bush’s State of the Union speech, Alan Foley briefed student officers at the National Defense University at Fort McNair in Washington, DC. After the briefing, Melvin Goodman, who had retired from the CIA and was then on the university’s faculty, brought Alan Foley into the secure communications area of the Fort McNair compound. Goodman thanked Alan Foley for addressing the students and asked him what weapons of mass destruction he believed would be found after the invasion. “Not much, if anything,” Goodman recalled Alan Foley responded at that time. Alan Foley declined to be interviewed for this book.” So why, then, would WINPAC report that Iraq had WMD? Here’s the answer (p. 119): One day in December 2002, Alan Foley called his senior production managers to his office. He had a clear message for the men and women who controlled the output of the center’s analysts: “If the president wants to go to war, our job is to find the intelligence to allow him to do so.” The directive was a strong suggestion that cherry-picking and slanting not only would be tolerated, but might even be rewarded. Interestingly, this event has appeared in other books, although not with Alan Foley’s name attached. This is from “Pretext for War” by James Bamford: “…within a few months [after the September 11 attacks], for many [at the CIA] the morale once again began to drop through the floor as they began getting pressure to come up with Saddam Hussein’s fingerprints on 9/11 and Al Qaeda. One of those who felt the pressure was a DO case officer who spent years running agents overseas, but who had been reassigned to the unit charged with finding weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq… According to the official, the group never found any indications of WMD in Iraq. “Where I was working, I never saw anything-no one else there did either,” the person said. Nevertheless, there was a great deal of pressure to find a reason to go to war with Iraq. And the pressure was not just subtle; it was blatant. At one point in January 2003, the person’s boss called a meeting and gave them their marching orders. “And he said, ‘You know what-if Bush wants to go to war, it’s your job to give him a reason to do so’… He said it at the weekly office meeting. And I just remember saying, ‘This is something that the American public, if they ever knew, would be outraged’…He said it to about fifty people. And it’s funny because everyone still talks about that – ‘Remember when [he] said that.’” And this appears in “Blowing My Cover: My Life as a CIA Spy” by Lindsay Moran: “During my short tenure in Iraqi Operations, I met one woman who had covered Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program for more than a decade. She admitted to me, unequivocally, that the CIA had no definitive evidence whatsoever that Saddam Hussein’s regime possessed WMD, or that Iraq presented anything close to an imminent threat to the United States. Another CIA analyst, whose opinion I’d solicited about the connection between Al-Qa’ida and Iraq, looked at me almost shamefacedly, shrugged, and said, “They both have the letter q?” And a colleague who worked in the office covering Iraqi counterproliferation reported to me that her mealy-mouthed pen pusher of a boss had gathered together his minions and announced, “Let’s face it. The president wants us to go to war, and our job is to give him a reason to do it.” Any serious Congressional strategy to end this war would include nationally televised hearings about this and all the other lies that got us into Iraq. The seriousness of our Congress and Senate can be judged by such hearings’ existance or non-existence. – from an article by Jonathan Schwarz
May 28th, 2007 at 1:50 amTest
May 28th, 2007 at 1:52 amHey, Zooey, so JTitor doesn’t really by into that Owl of Minerva stuff on the other thread.
I noticed you said that it was an imposter.
Comment by Mr. President —
I leave for a little while….I’ll let you know when my name gets jacked. Happens enough around here. The Owl of Minerva is Hegel’s calling card. The Owl that these freaks (Bohiemian Grove types) pray too is one in the same. For those of you that don’t know what Bohiemian Grove is? Let me tell you. Bohiemian Grove is where Bush, Cheney, Gonazales, Tony Blair, heads of furtune 500 corporations, military……the list can be aquired on the Internet. Anyway, they go to this place once a year for two weeks and do something? Well it was infiltrated and video taped what they do. Please watch free on Google video. The “cremation of care ceremony” is truly the last straw in crazyness. I don’t make this crap up. All there for anyone to watch. Please do. So to answer your question MP, nothing to buy into. I only deal in fact.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:59 amWhy was Iraq on the list?
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 1:24 am
The US accused Iraq of providing support to Mujahideen groups, Kurdish militias, and the PLO -if I recall correctly.
Are you happy now?
And you guys wait untill you get hit.
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 1:29 am
Right. The US should keep invading countries, just in case. Someday US troops will land on a nation was an actual threat. It’s bound to happen… at some point.
You redefine the expression “bedwetter” Tracy.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:03 am#110
“…and the PLO”
i.e. material support to a known terrorist organization.
“Are you happy now?”
But you forgot paying the famlies of suicide bombers for their attacks on Israeli civilians.
You redefine the expression “bedwetter†Tracy.
And you define the expression “appeaser”.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:10 am#105
“Being against the KKK is not bigotry”
I didn’t say it was. You are bigot for saying the following….”Alabama is filled with KKK nuts, so who cares what that degenerate state thinks or does.”
“And I have been to Alabama several times and I hope to never go there again.”
Where? Exactly.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:13 amTo say that anyone could guarentee that he destroyed all of his biological and/or chemical weapons is crazy.
Comment by Tracy
You mean like the CIA and international inspector?
LOL!
Idiot.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:21 amHey Tracy,
Hide under the bed…the terrorists are coming.
Bet you’re afaid of cicadas too.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:26 amBut you forgot paying the famlies of suicide bombers for their attacks on Israeli civilians.
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 2:10 am
Funny thing is, you continue to ignore the interim period between 1982 and 1990 when Iraq was taken off the list -even though Iraq and the groups I mentioned before continued the contacts that landed Iraq on the list.
Not to mention Pakistan has never been in the list, even though they have contacts with Kashmiri rebel groups which the Indian government calls terrorist organizations.
Which is why I said the list is political in nature. Although these nuances are probably lost on you.
And you define the expression “appeaserâ€.
So, pray tell: What country would you like to see invaded next? You know, just in case? Iran? Syria? Should they be invaded before or after Cuba? Also, I hear Malaysia is beautiful this time of the year. You don’t want them to think they’re off the hook, do you?
May 28th, 2007 at 2:31 am#115
“Funny thing is, you continue to ignore the interim period between 1982 and 1990 when Iraq was taken off the list”
They should have never been taken off!
“…Indian government calls terrorist organizations.”
They should have been.
“So, pray tell: What country would you like to see invaded next?”
None. Iraq constantly acted in an attack mode throughout the 1990s while the no flyzone were being inforced. Hostilities NEVER ceased throughout the 1990s with Iraq.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:40 amOh, and Tracy,
for all your chest-thumping and manly manliness posturing, fact remains that Iraq was not a threat to the US, and couldn’t possibly have been: It was/is a Third World nation with a fifth-rate military power, in no way a match for the US -the largest military power in the world. Even if Iraq had never been subjected to over 12 years of sanctions that greatly crippled its infrastructure, they still would have been no match.
You make me laugh with your simple-minded accusation of me being an “appeaser”. Appease just who, exactly? Hussein, a Third World petty thug? The one with no functioning Air Force, or an Army that could call itself that? Puh-leeze.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:46 amThey should have never been taken off!
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 2:40 am
::sigh::
Which is why I say the list is political in nature. Iraq was conveniently taken off the list at a time when the Iran-Iraq war raged and the US needed to provide military, logistic, and financial aid to Iraq.
You see, Hussein was bad. But the Ayatollah was worse. And the Iranians were gaining the upper hand in the conflict.
“…Indian government calls terrorist organizations.â€
They should have been.
Yeah, but Pakistan is a reliable ally in the GWOT. They cannot land on the list.
Again, there is a political motivation behind including or excluding countries from the official list of state sponsors of terror, regardless of who is actually sponsoring what.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:53 amGregor,
Just wanted to clarify one teensy thing you said regarding who has the largest military..
China has the largest military… people wise. Though if you mean Tanks and Jets and Weaponry, then it’d be the USA hands down. We have resources no other country can posses.
Best Trained? Obviously it’s Israel. They are attacked the most and thus make advances, and experience, that sets them at a level even the USA benfits from.
Where the UK and other countries often invite USA’s soldiers to teach them new tactics and weapons strategies, the USA brings representatives from Israel to help our military be better prepared.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:08 amHey Tracy,
Hide under the bed…the terrorists are coming.
Bet you’re afaid of cicadas too.
Comment by Suzy Q
Yeah I always love these Neocon rationalizations that are perpetrated in order to maintain control of their goals.
They claim that the antiwar movement is populated by people that are scared to commit to a long term war.
Yet they use fear to motivate the idiotic masses to bend to their will.
You can’t have it both ways.
3,000 people a month die from the flu in the US.
Another 3,000 people a month die from car accidents in the US.
You are FAR more likely to die from any one of these events, than you are to die from a terrorist attack.
You are also far more likely to win the lottery.
Yet all the right wing nutjobs are scared to death of terrorism… AND THEY CLAIM TO BE BRAVE???
Frankly, I am willing to sacrifice my safety, in order to maintain my liberty. Somehow I think feel like that is what it is to be true to the American spirit. Yet somehow the lunatics would like to paint people like me as being cowards, using their own warped logic.
Give me a break. It’s complete and utter nonsense.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:25 amBest Trained? Obviously it’s Israel. They are attacked the most and thus make advances, and experience, that sets them at a level even the USA benfits from.
Comment by Ginko
Personally I think that’s a MYTH perpetrated by the Israeli’s themselves.
After seeing the “clock cleaning” that Hezbollah, gave them in Lebanon, and reading about the cowardliness exhibited by the 19 year old children that seem to comprise the majority of the IDF, I think this whole myth is one big fat joke.
Maybe they were mighty at one time, if so, they certainly got soft is all I can say.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:30 amJPV,
That could be, Im not military expert. I just wanted to point out that China actually has the largest military rather than the US.
Peace to all of our troops, I read that they are on rations because they can’t get food in due to transport trucks being unable to deliver. So no food, lacking proper armor and lacking proper vehicles,extending and reextending their tours due to not having enough soldiers to replace them, Commander guy keeps them embroiled in this senseless war. He has done everything but tie their hands behind their back.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:43 amJPV,
Sorry, Im new at this, I meant to add that you present logical arguments and use a rational basis but the problem with the wingnuts is they are irrational and so it flies right over their heads.
thanks for your great posts
May 28th, 2007 at 3:50 amPeace to all of our troops, I read that they are on rations because they can’t get food in due to transport trucks being unable to deliver. So no food, lacking proper armor and lacking proper vehicles,extending and reextending their tours due to not having enough soldiers to replace them, Commander guy keeps them embroiled in this senseless war. He has done everything but tie their hands behind their back.
Comment by Ginko
I guess that 2 billion dollars a week doesn’t buy what it used to anymore.
LOL!
May 28th, 2007 at 4:51 amWHY DOES GEORGE BUSH HATE AMERICA SO MUCH THAT HE WANT TO APPEASE THE TERRORISTS???
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/28/iran.us.talks/index.html
Answer that one Neo-con fools.
LOL!!!
May 28th, 2007 at 5:14 amJTitor,
Mr. Creammuncher don’t screw with me.
Why did you list up a bunch of Executive Orders that precede the Bush administration? In fact, why did you put up a list that completely misrepresents a bunch of Executive Orders? I just checked the first one, enacted in 1961, and it says nothing about what you claim it does.
Sounds to me like you got snookered, buddy.
We have a dictatorship in the USA, yet the Democrats somehow managed to take over Congress from the supposed dictator Bush? How does that work? God damn you’re an idiot.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:46 amWe have a dictatorship in the USA, yet the Democrats somehow managed to take over Congress from the supposed dictator Bush? How does that work? God damn you’re an idiot.
Comment by DreamCrusher
And oddly enough, the Democrats have yet to accomplish anything of substance, and are themselves constantly criticized by their base.
Anyway, I wouldn’t say that we have “dictatorship” per se, but I would say that the current administration has tried to grab as much power as possible, for the exective branch.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:22 amhomeland security = nazi SS= secret police= WRONG for America
May 28th, 2007 at 6:39 amVerily, ignorance is strength, JPV. Here’s some of what the Democrats on Congress has achieved so far:
“The 110th Congress has now been in session for 150 days. During that time, the House has passed all 10 bills it promised during the 2006 campaign, including enacting the 9/11 Commission recommendations, lobbying reform, a minimum wage hike, and stem cell research. The Senate has passed 6 of the 10; 3 others are currently being considered. The White House has signed just two of the bills.”
May 28th, 2007 at 6:40 amSorry, Mr Creammuncher;
I don’t see in my previous posts where I have mentioned Bush’s name at all? But since you mentioned Bush and I knew you would. Here’s Bush’s contribution, and he has made many to bring all executive orders into one NSPD. What he has done is taken all past and present security directives and presidential signings and gave himself the power to determine what “national emergency” means? Solely the president. Now lets look at the meaning of dictator again….Main Entry: dic·ta·tor
Pronunciation: ‘dik-”tA-t&r, dik-’
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from dictare
1 a : a person granted absolute emergency power; one holding complete autocratic control : one ruling absolutely and often oppressively.
NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51
HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20
Subject: National Continuity Policy
Purpose
(1) This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes “National Essential Functions,” prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency
Go here for the full text: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rel…70509-12.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:45 amOh and another thing Mr. Dreamcatcher,
Since you will probably try and argue that since the NSPD has words such as constitution, and constitutional in it, it must be ok? No. To sum it up, the directive issued May 9 makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created for the National Continuity Coordinator with the National Emergency Act. As specified by U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 34, Subchapter II, Section 1621, the National Emergency Act allows that the president may declare a national emergency but requires that such proclamation “shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register.”
A Congressional Research Service study notes that under the National Emergency Act, the President “may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens as I mentioned above. Before this NSPD the National Emergency Act gave congress as a balance empowered to “modify, rescind, or render dormant such delegated emergency authority,” if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of National Continuity Coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position.
NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 also makes no reference whatsoever to Congress. The language of the May 9 directive appears to negate any requirements that the President submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists, suggesting instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.
Again, lets look at the meaning of dictator from I believe it was Webster’s dictionary….a person granted absolute emergency power; one holding complete autocratic control : one ruling absolutely and often oppressively.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:19 amThis list also included abortion opponents.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:31 ambut no churches? Seems to me this is the logical place to look, as most religious places of worship are full of them.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:49 ami’d be interested to know if the right-wing militia crew recently caught up in federal/state raids in four alabama counties was on that list. you know, the group that had in its possession 130 grenades, a rocket launcher and 2500 rounds of ammo; in addition to rigged explosives (a kind of domestic ied, i would venture) in the trailer of one of the members.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:55 amthey are probably upstanding members in a community church, which gets them an exemption(?)
May 28th, 2007 at 8:00 ami’d be interested to know if the right-wing militia crew recently caught up in federal/state raids in four alabama counties was on that list.
If they were caught up in raids, aren’t they being addressed?
May 28th, 2007 at 8:34 amActivism, in a general sense, can be described as intentional action to bring about social or political change. This action is in support of, or opposition to, one side of an often controversial argument.
The word “activism” is often used synonymously with protest or dissent, but activism can stem from any number of political orientations and take a wide range of forms, from writing letters to newspapers or politicians, political campaigning, economic activism (such as boycotts or preferentially patronizing preferred businesses), rallies and street marches, strikes, or even guerrilla tactics. In the more confrontational cases, an activist may be called a freedom fighter by some, and a terrorist by others, depending on whether the commentator supports the activist’s ends.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:40 amI believe that the lack of media coverage on a story which likely implicates born-in-the-USA terrorists in AL as compared to media coverage of, say, Muslim pizza boys in NJ is suspect.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:43 amLast post was from wikipedia. I was trying to make the point, that most on the list are organizations that most strongly want change to the status quo. I don’t think churches and militias make the cut, because they aren’t in as strong opposition to current policies. Abortion opponents do, because abortion is legal and they strongly oppose that.
I don’t know what they were posting on the gay website (It’s hard for me to image homosexual terrorists), but to be honest, if I was truly not bigoted I would recognize that gays are just like everyone else and just as capable of being radically activist.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:47 amTerrorist = people that kill
anti=war = people that dont kill
cant see any connection
May 28th, 2007 at 8:48 amWhat do all of you think will happen next? When will all of the ISPs start to limit the content of the internet to only commercial advertising and approved news sources? When will the country slip into depression?
May 28th, 2007 at 8:57 amhopefully people will start to read books again.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:07 amWhat do all of you think will happen next?
Comment by Saywho — May 28, 2007 @ 8:57 am
I think the wheels will finally come off Bush’s Iraq Policy, and the voters will turn their Justifiable Wrath against those responsible for it.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:09 amIt’s fricking Alabama.
The “Book-Mobile” doesn’t stop in Alabama.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:16 amComment by Ginko — May 28, 2007 @ 3:43 am
Link please. I ask because I just spoke with a friend in Iraq and she did not mention any of this.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:20 amAnti-war groups are terrorists, because the Pro-war criminals are terrified of them!
May 28th, 2007 at 9:28 amGreenpeace has posted a leaked copy of the Bush Administration’s comments on the draft climate change document that is being negotiated in the run-up to the G8 meeting in Germany. The document needs to be seen to be believed. The U.S. position seems to that every item of any substance whatsoever needs to be removed.
CHECK THIS OUT SCROLL DOWN
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/makingwaves/G8%20Summit%20Declaration%20-%20US%20comments%20May%2014-1.pdf
May 28th, 2007 at 9:35 amAnti-war groups are terrorists, because the Pro-war criminals are terrified of them!
Comment by criticalthinker
That’s about as sensible as things are these days. *sigh*
May 28th, 2007 at 9:59 am“but no churches? Seems to me this is the logical place to look, as most religious places of worship are full of them.
Comment by loretta — May 28, 2007 @ 7:49 am”
I see you’ve also read the violent bible and then connected the dots between the violence and hatred in their unholy book and the violence the majority of church-goers support.
Society will not advance until religion becomes as out-moded as all the other silly nonsense unaware humans once believed…
May 28th, 2007 at 10:04 amTobey Tall. Not everybody agrees with the progressive view on climate change. And many are unwilling to handicap the U.S. economy without more conclusive evidence that proposed restrictions will yield some benefit. Are you willing to sacrifice more into poverty for the speculation that selective emission controls will cool the planet?
May 28th, 2007 at 10:08 am“hopefully people will start to read books again.
Comment by loretta — May 28, 2007 @ 9:07 am”
These people have raised their children to hate reading (I am a teacher in Georgia, and whenever I suggest my students educate themselves by reading, they moan and groan and nearly convulse at the thought… ).
The more I read, the more appalled I am at the poor exposure we as a culture have or seek in regard to educating ourselves on modern technological advancements and discoveries. How anyone could find the 10th season of Survivor more fascinating that Carl Sagan’s description of the Cosmos is truly and utterly beyond me…
May 28th, 2007 at 10:09 am“Comment by Tobey Tall — May 28, 2007 @ 9:35 am”
The Nazis burned books, the Bushites ban them… All in the name of hiding information.
Welcome to The Terrified States of America.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:12 amThat’s about as sensible as things are these days. *sigh*
Yeah,kinda like the ’sensible shoes’ that some women wear. *yuk*
May 28th, 2007 at 10:13 amAs you read this, please take a moment of silence for all those who have died, whether it be loved ones and acquaintences you have known, or for humanity in general.
Peace and Blessings,
Briseadh na Faire
May 28th, 2007 at 10:13 amhacker bob
when you ask for a link it’s a good idea to post the subject you are asking about. I have no clue what subject you want me to provide a link for.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:18 am“Not everybody agrees with the progressive view on climate change.”
There are always those 10-20% of people who prefer to believe in alien abductions and Werewolves instead.
“And many are unwilling to handicap the U.S. economy without more conclusive evidence”
You want the entire polar cap to melt instead of 40% of it?
How is creating new sustainable energy sources a handicap? It’ll do what Bush failed to do – create more US jobs than have been out-sourced.
“Are you willing to sacrifice more into poverty for the speculation that selective emission controls will cool the planet?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 10:08 am”
That is NOT the trade off. It’s a strawman – and a flimsy one at that.
Global Warming is not speculative. Anyone with a third grade Space Science study of the planet Venus can tell you exactly why the surface temperatures and atmosphereic pressures make life on that planet unsustainable. It’s called The Greenhouse Effect, which is a direct result of the Carbon Dioxide being removed from the bedrock and put into the atmosphere (which occured naturally there though volcanic activity – but is occurring unnnaturally here through the burning of fossil fuels).
A side effect of this process is that sulfuric acid become a part of the system – and you have acid rain from pollution, as Venus experiences in large quantities, and we are exaserbating.
Global Warming is a fact. Those of your who deny it are dooming the planet and its inhabitants to inhilation. And you call yourselves family-oriented? Spare us.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:21 amComment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 10:08 am
You’re ignoring the obvious. By addressing Global Warming, we would be helping the American economy. Think of it as a form of economic evolution. Innovation to meet the challenge will give birth to new industries.
New methods of providing energy will spell the collapse of the oil industry, but will propel the economy to incredible highs. That innovation will come about, somewhere. If American doesn’t support the research, some other country will, and will reap the benefits, much to our detriment.
It’s ironic. America is paying dearly, in blood and money, to control a fossil fuel, a finite resource, instead of investing in the technology necessary to make the use of that fuel obsolete.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:24 amWhere is the thread regarding your hero Hugo Chavez censoring free speech by shuttering a major tv station? If you didn’t learn from reading history, then perhaps you will learn from current events. It is such a short step from seizing private industry to seizing liberties – communism / socialism ALWAYS degenerates in this fashion. When socialist policies fail to deliver the promised better life, the government can only hold power by denying liberties.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:26 amYeah,kinda like the ’sensible shoes’ that some women wear. *yuk*
Comment by footjoyboy
Relevance…..to anything on EARTH?
May 28th, 2007 at 10:26 amunbelievable. progressives shout down and disrupt conservative speakers in universities and democratic presidential candidates refuse to debate on Fox.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:28 amunbelievable. progressives shout down and disrupt conservative speakers in universities and democratic presidential candidates refuse to debate on Fox.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Dissent & Standards. *yawn*
May 28th, 2007 at 10:30 amComment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 10:08 am
These people with their head in the sand crack me up. HEY- you think peak oil might handicap the U.S. economy. I just have to put my 2 sense in… misspelling intentional…
“That estimate comes from numerous sources, not the least of which is Vice President Dick Cheney himself. In a 1999 speech he gave while still CEO of Halliburton, Cheney stated:”
“By some estimates, there will be an average of two-percent
annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead,
along with, conservatively, a three-percent natural decline
in production from existing reserves.That means by 2010 we
will need on the order of anadditional 50 million barrels a
day.”
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
May 28th, 2007 at 10:31 amhttp://www.peakoil.org/
http://www.hubbertpeak.com/
Briseadh na Faire. That is a good point.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:31 amGinko, here is a little hint as to the subject:
Comment by Ginko — May 28, 2007 @ 3:43 am
But if you need me to be more specific, I will quote you:
Peace to all of our troops, I read that they are on rations because they can’t get food in due to transport trucks being unable to deliver.
Thanks
May 28th, 2007 at 10:31 amBriseadh na Faire. That is a good point.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Cool.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:33 amYeah,kinda like the ’sensible shoes’ that some women wear. *yuk*
Comment by footjoyboy
Relevance…..to anything on EARTH?
Comment by Zooey
I think someone wandered into the wrong blog. High heels and pumps are over there . . .
May 28th, 2007 at 10:33 am“Yeah,kinda like the ’sensible shoes’ that some women wear. *yuk*
Comment by footjoyboy — May 28, 2007 @ 10:13 am”
How shallow can you possibly be? I bet YOU wear comfortable shoes that are ugly…
I’m still young enough to wear cute shoes – but they MUST be comfortable. But at some point, as women age, their feet can’t handle it and comfort must win out over your sadistic need to bind the feet of women (which was barbaric and has since been stopped)…
May 28th, 2007 at 10:33 amThe Nazis burned books, the Bushites ban them… All in the name of hiding information.
Welcome to The Terrified States of America.
Comment by unbelievable — May 28, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Do you have a list of the banned books?
As you read this, please take a moment of silence for all those who have died, whether it be loved ones and acquaintences you have known, or for humanity in general.
Peace and Blessings,
Briseadh na Faire
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — May 28, 2007 @ 10:13 am
Thank you.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:36 am“unbelievable. progressives shout down and disrupt conservative speakers in universities and democratic presidential candidates refuse to debate on Fox.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 10:28 am”
That would be a better option (freedom of speech) than bombing abortion clinics, waging wars against brown-skinned people and beating your children.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:36 amNo end to GOPer troll droppings on TP such as Tracy’s > lol. They get hired or volunteer to hang out on TP, and they get perplexed when we ignore them, but they never stop spewing bullcrap. I told Tracy in post 105, at 1:32 am, that I was leaving to go to sleep, then at 2:13 am post 112 she demands to know where I went in Alabama?
She claims I am a bigot, because I said Alabama is filled with KKK nuts?
Where does Karl Rove find these weird posters like Tracy, michael, and valiant venus?
May 28th, 2007 at 10:36 amI think someone wandered into the wrong blog. High heels and pumps are over there . . .
Comment by gummitch
No kidding. Around here you’ll only find bare feet, sandals made from non-animal products, and warty troll tootsies.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:38 amhacker bob, here’s one article on the subject:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0721/p09s01-coop.html
May 28th, 2007 at 10:38 amhacker bob,
and another:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/23/105833/638
May 28th, 2007 at 10:40 amI just used, “The Google.”
May 28th, 2007 at 10:40 amAlthough it is a great idea to lessing the dependence on oil, due in large part to the increased demand, isn’t the proper venue the marketplace and not beauacratic regulation that has proven to be less than efficient and/or effective?
May 28th, 2007 at 10:41 amSo Faire how many soldiers have died so far in Iraq on this holiday?
May 28th, 2007 at 10:42 amNo kidding. Around here you’ll only find bare feet, sandals made from non-animal products, and warty troll tootsies.
Comment by Zooey
Haflinger slippers here. Keeps my sweaty feet off the good rugs.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:43 amadvertisement:
(all calls monitored by the Department of Homeland Security, the National Security Agency, Karl Rove, the GOP and Jeff Gannon.)
May 28th, 2007 at 10:48 amhacker bob,
The memo states:
Due to a theater-wide delay in food delivery, menu selections will be limited for the near future. While every effort will be made to provide balanced meals, it may not be possible to offer the dishes you are used to seeing at each meal. Fresh fruits and salad bar items will also be severely limited or unavailable.
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/05/the_surge_is_fa.html
I didn’t know if you were referring to the lack of proper vehicles, the lack of propler body armor or the lack of food, which is why I asked you to clarify.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:50 amHaflinger slippers here. Keeps my sweaty feet off the good rugs.
Comment by gummitch
**squish, squish, squish…**
Heh.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:50 amunbelievable. There are plenty of progressive examples of terrorism. Soviet communism, China, etc.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:51 amComment by Briseadh na Faire — May 28, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Another good one!
May 28th, 2007 at 10:51 amJay, the latest info I found only lists the 8 from Saturday.
http://icasualties.org/oif/SumDetails.aspx?hndRef=6
May 28th, 2007 at 10:53 amNEW THREAD ABOVE THIS ONE!
May 28th, 2007 at 10:54 amFaire > I heard at 12:30 am, our East Coast time, that 2 had been killed in Iraq today, so just wondered if more had died? Not surprised the corporate press would delay reporting on deaths till tomorrow.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:59 am“Do you have a list of the banned books?
Comment by hacker bob — May 28, 2007 @ 10:36 am”
Yes.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:00 amThere are plenty of progressive examples of terrorism. Soviet communism, China, etc.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
What???? hah ahahahha. So, progressive = totalitarism???
Wow, what an ignorant statement, there.
Buddy, if Soviet Union and China arent something, that is progressive. And by the way, I agree with you, those are terrorists states, just like most of the countries.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:02 amYes.
Comment by unbelievable
What books are on the list?
May 28th, 2007 at 11:04 amDissent & Standards. *yawn*
Comment by Zooey
I guess it could be dissent and standards. But isn’t also possible that it shows a tendency on the part of progressives to not want to tolerate the views they don’t agree with. An intolence on the part of progressives.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:06 am“However, they have no problem crossing the line between legal protest and … illegal acts, to include even murder, to succeed in their goals,”
And I suppose they have proof to back up this statement. Proof…we don’t need no stinking proof. If we believe it, then it must be true.
It’s time that we name the true terrorists in this country and they would be the Bush Crime Family and all their RepubliCON enablers.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:06 amAlthough it is a great idea to lessing the dependence on oil, due in large part to the increased demand, isn’t the proper venue the marketplace and not beauacratic regulation that has proven to be less than efficient and/or effective?
Comment by CaptainMantastic
That’s worked well, don’t you think? Because American corporate culture is so flexible. That would explain why Chrysler lost $1.4 BILLION in the first quarter producing gas-guzzling SUVs and trucks. The only reason that American cars have even the lousy mileage they do, instead of something much worse, is that very same bureaucratic regulation.
If you think the “free market” is free or particularly effective, you need to revisit both your economics and history classes. Assuming, of course, you took any.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:07 am“isn’t the proper venue the marketplace and not beauacratic regulation that has proven to be less than efficient and/or effective?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 10:41 am”
Proper? Please. Besides, the market in our country is no longer free… It’s the reason government exists – to make sure the interests of the people go before the pockets of the corporate elite. Not only has it worked, but it will continue to work as long as it is free (which is questionable).
The idea of Progress is that your are willing to abandon old ways when they no longer become viable.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:11 amComment by Briseadh na Faire — May 28, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Thanks again for the links. I will go wiht the first hand account over the blog, though.
Comment by Ginko — May 28, 2007 @ 10:50 am
This does not equal rationing, it means that they may have to skip tomatoes on the salad bar and that they may have chicken instead of beef for a day or two.
Comment by unbelievable — May 28, 2007 @ 11:00 am
Would you like to share with teh rest of the class????
Been there, done that, nothing new under the sun.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:11 amTerrorist = people that kill
anti=war = people that dont kill
cant(SIC) see any connection
Comment by Tobey Tall — May 28, 2007 @ 8:48 am
Since the FBI started teaching that the “Founding Fathers Were Terrorists†we as in “We The People†concluded our little show.
SEE FOR YOURSELF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XC1fk_EO3c
We have been in a dictatorship since the Civil War and now it is just more visible. Test it yourself and simply stop paying your taxes and then see what happens. This is why Nancy Pelosi doesn’t practice what she preaches. This is why the Bill of Rights never seems to protect anyone since the answer is in the 1st Amendment…
Amendment 1:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
There is the loophole that, “Congress shall make no law…†It doesn’t mention the Commander In Chief and his EXECUTIVE ORDERS. Once at war the President becomes the “Commander In Chief†and that like it or not is a “DICTATOR†for lack of a better word.
So, what can you do about any of this? Many here branded me as a gun nut. Then they can plainly see how the 2nd Amendment secures the 1st but fear doing what the constitution demands of free people. Sure the world is going to end and sooner than we think but why do all of you want to go out like “whores?†Get your mind around the phrase, “Give me liberty or give me death!†What happened to the people that based a nation on, “NO Taxation without representation?â€
Why do you people imagine that the government lets the internet stay up? I’m sure they realize that it is more effective to let it remain since it is the equivalent of castration. We all talk the talk but when faced with action people insist on more gun control, letting aliens in willy-nilly, taking pills and watching congress further empower corruption. I would submit that denial is leading us to inaction.
Look at that link I posted above! The agent calls the “Founding Fathers†the “Original Terrorists!†Sure that is an Alex Jones video but the clips inside speak volumes about the FUD and Propaganda pointed at us to instill fear. The day comes that someone tells you that George Washington is a TERRORIST and you debate that with them all is lost. That guy needed to be shown the door and booted out of there. People tolerate complete utter “BS†all the time. People need to exercise their right of peaceably assembly and petition the government for a redress of grievances. We are at that, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Are we there yet folks at the “refreshment?†Jefferson (one of those terrorists) also said that, “A little rebellion now and then is a good thing….” I ask again, since Congress nor the President hear our cries of utter contempt and dissatisfaction to their misuse of our resources (money, military and liberties) when is the time for that refreshment? Many of you seem to be content to wait till the next election and if that doesn’t work then I suppose you will wait a little longer?
WHEN is WHEN?
May 28th, 2007 at 11:14 amI guess it could be dissent and standards. But isn’t also possible that it shows a tendency on the part of progressives to not want to tolerate the views they don’t agree with. An intolence on the part of progressives.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
No.
Progressives do not have problems with people expressing other viewpoints, and we are not intolerant.
The catch is that we ALL have the Constitutional right to speak out and object to viewpoints we don’t agree with. You’re here, aren’t you? You haven’t been banned. We get banned at right wing blogs within a few comments.
Really, are y’all right wingers having a problem getting your message out?
May 28th, 2007 at 11:14 am“There are plenty of progressive examples of terrorism. Soviet communism, China, etc.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 10:51 am”
The USSR and China were not Progressive. They were authoritarian dictatorships that arose out of egrarian countries. Current Progressive countries are Scandinavian, Spain, France, Germany, Canada, and about 200 years ago – The United States. They are countries where individual liberties and social programs flourish. Neither can be staid for the former Soviet Union nor China.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:15 am“Mr. President > you are not a paid GOPer troll,”
No, he is just one of the multiple personality that is Jake, Mr. President, michael and a couple others. Does anyone besides me notice that these persona’s never appear on the same thread? I’m not exactly sure how this person determines which personality will post on each thread, but I find it rather amusing.
What I don’t find amusing is when they take over a thread. I really do wish we could stop responding to the trolls and simply ignore them. I propose we take a two day hiatus from responding to the trolls to see if that might solve our problem. Without the “troll players” to bounce off of, I doubt that they will take over any more threads.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:15 amI’m surprised at the number of off-topic comments here and I don’t know if mine is particularly relevant BUT I WILL SAY IT ANYWAY.
In sensitive areas, and I refer to the warring, impoverished factions of the world, terrorists hide behind innocent civilians. They hide in churches and temples, schools and hospitals, so why is this pre-emptive action taken by Homeland Security such a surprise. After all, a Website is the virtual world – poles away from reality.
Regard,
Coral
http://www.coralpoetry.blogspot.com
May 28th, 2007 at 11:16 am“What books are on the list?
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 11:04 am”
Get any of the Project Censored books (they write a new one ever year, because it’s a consistent problem). It’s filled with all sorts of banned information – mostly journalistic in nature.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:18 am“Pakistan is notably absent from that list, even though their support for rebels in Kashmir is well known.”
Not to mention that Pakistan (our supposed ally on the war on terror to the tune of 1 billion dollars a year in rewards from the US) is harboring Osama and his base camp is in Pakistan. If they truly were our allies in the war on terror (should be renamed “war on Muslims”) then they would not be harboring the biggest terrorist of all.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:20 amThis are the authors of books that are forbidden or excluded in the US. Please, correct me if Im wrong:
Dashiell Hammet
Máximo Gorki
John Reed
Howard Fast
Herman Melville
Ilya Ehrenburg
Langston Hughes
Hellen Keller
Tom Paine
WEB Dubois
Arthur Miller
Jean Paul Sartre
Or was just them banned in 1953? I really dont know.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:25 am“Would you like to share with teh rest of the class????
Comment by hacker bob — May 28, 2007 @ 11:11 am”
Do your own homework.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:26 amComment by CaptainMantastic — Name me all the good things the Bush administration have done for this country?
May 28th, 2007 at 11:26 amIf I buy a ticket to the next Michael Moore film, I wait til it gets started then I stand up and yell “Fire!”, it’s about the same as going to a conservative presentation that I disagree with and disrupt it sufficiently that the speaker cannot deliver his message. The message doesn’t get out to be considered.
If I refuse to include a news network that informs about half of television news audience, will I be able to sufficiently lead or represent those people if I became president. Wouldn’t we be in jeopardy of creating “Two Americas”?
May 28th, 2007 at 11:30 amhacker bob,
Here’s a link to the Project Censored site. More interesting thatn the banned books, I think, are the censored news stories.
http://www.projectcensored.org/
May 28th, 2007 at 11:32 amIf I buy a ticket to the next Michael Moore film, I wait til it gets started then I stand up and yell “Fire!â€, it’s about the same as going to a conservative presentation that I disagree with and disrupt it sufficiently that the speaker cannot deliver his message. The message doesn’t get out to be considered.
Don’t be ridiculous. If you did that, you would be breaking the law, and putting people’s lives in danger. That is not dissent.
If I refuse to include a news network that informs about half of television news audience, will I be able to sufficiently lead or represent those people if I became president.
Fox is not news, it’s entertainment — mostly propaganda. Candidates have a right to choose which debates they participate in, and we have a right to pressure them not to participate in a Fox debate.
Wouldn’t we be in jeopardy of creating “Two Americas�
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Too late.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:37 am“If I buy a ticket to the next Michael Moore film, I wait til it gets started then I stand up and yell “Fire!â€, it’s about the same as going to a conservative presentation that I disagree with and disrupt it sufficiently that the speaker cannot deliver his message. ”
No it isn’t. That act is illegal, and you will get arrested for doing it.
“The message doesn’t get out to be considered.”
You now get to feel our pain… Your side has silenced us for years. If you don’t like getting a dose of your own medicine, then you should stop doing it to us.
“If I refuse to include a news network that informs about half of television news audience, will I be able to sufficiently lead or represent those people if I became president. Wouldn’t we be in jeopardy of creating “Two Americasâ€?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 11:30 am”
Give a valid example. Theory is fine and dandy – but you need to be specific based on an actual real-life example of this.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:38 amdemocratic presidential candidates refuse to debate on Fox.
They also refuse to shit in filthy outhouses, yawn…
May 28th, 2007 at 11:38 amChimpy has already created two Americas.
He’s a divider, not a uniter.
You can see it every day in here. The Repuke trolls are living in a Bizarro World alternate reality of their own creation.
We already ARE two Americas. The real America and the Repuke Bizarro Amerika.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:40 amhacker bob,
the loud, clear message from the recent protests ( Card for instance) is that our RIGHT to protest is ALIVE AND WELL. Get used to it. You wingers are goin’ down.
There are nearly 80% of us and a measly 20% of you. The fact that the lot you throw in with is dumb as dirt helps.
Go ride a dinosaur.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:41 amSo Michael Moore haters are going to try to cause panic in movie theaters by yelling “FIRE” during the showing of his film “Sicko”?
I hope to God that some of you sick Bush loving freaks get jail time.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:43 amBTW, I really know that this = singular and these = plural. Just like was = singular and were = plural, but I start a sentence and then I change some of the parts and I dont do proofreading, so forgive me for messing up with your language. It is not in purpose.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:44 am“I dont do proofreading, so forgive me for messing up with your language. It is not in purpose.
Comment by Juan C — May 28, 2007 @ 11:44 am”
I am the last one to judge your grammar/typos/punctuation… :D
May 28th, 2007 at 11:46 amBTW, I really know that this = singular and these = plural. Just like was = singular and were = plural, but I start a sentence and then I change some of the parts and I dont do proofreading, so forgive me for messing up with your language. It is not in purpose.
Comment by Juan C
You’re fine, Juan. No worries. :)
May 28th, 2007 at 11:46 amComment by CaptainMantastic — What are you talking about? Man your rambling. Your trying far too hard to make a correlation between peaceful groups that get permits to protest and demestic terrorists. Here’s a good artical that you should read Mr. Trolltastic:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=549
In the 10 years since the April 19, 1995, bombing in Oklahoma City, in fact, the radical right has produced some 60 terrorist plots. These have included plans to bomb or burn government buildings, banks, refineries, utilities, clinics, synagogues, mosques, memorials and bridges; to assassinate police officers, judges, politicians, civil rights figures and others; to rob banks, armored cars and other criminals; and to amass illegal machine guns, missiles, explosives, and biological and chemical weapons.
The artical lists each act. Must read.
Also, you never answered my question Trolltastic. What one good thing has Bush done for this country?
May 28th, 2007 at 11:47 amConservatives consider CNN, the Communist News Network. With your reasoning, it would make total sense for Republicans to refuse to debate on that network.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:55 amThank you, Soo and UnV.
Heh. :)
May 28th, 2007 at 11:56 amOur own government has listed numerous military families as terrorists throught the TIDE Program. Additionally, if you are against the war AND in the military: you are constantly harrassed by your telephoneS wire tapped. Then following ANY conversations you get email advertisements of what you spoke of on the telephone 1 day later in your email accounts. Further, you get advertisements in the regular mail on such too. What you send out is may not get delivered, as we have had letters returned.
The other day my daughter was on the telephone w/ the nurse from our PEDI doc office relative to her “periods”.The very next day my high schooler received an ad in her email account about tampons and cramp pain meds.Three days ago she spoke with a group of friends on the telephone, relative to attending a certain movie. Further, they all agreed to stop at XYZ for snacks prior to attending X movie. The very next day she gets ads in her email for the “movie” and “XYZ”.
She has written numerous articles in public print about the war. She has also spoken out very clearly and strongly at schools against the war and the blatant abuse our government is completing on each Military family.
Congress needs to be “responsible” and review each and every name on this TIDE, Fusion list (and any other covert dirty list ) and DESTROY same, as it bogus. It is a pure attack on Military Families. For Congress to sit there, is not being responsible and or reasonable at all.
Our “BLANK” may have blindly (your own government will abuse you) signed into a Mismanaged Organization BUT we as a family DID NOT! Nothing has changed since Vietnam, lies and more lies. These Republicans should walk w/ their own heads between their legs and their hearts ripped OUT, as they have no heart. The soldiers “patriotism” has been exploited by dirty crooks sitting in Washington more concerned about “How they LOOK”, than the true american family. Note there are exceptions to this in some parts of the Democratic Party.
All in Congress should be required to take a true Leadership Class, by Lee Iacocca Before even running for any election.
Additionally, anyone in it that is young, will tell you that never in their wildest dreams have they witnessed so may lies, political postioning all while soldiers lifes are used as “P A W N S”.
There is no doubt in my mind, even after trying very hard to calm other Military fathers, mothers, siblings down after this past 2 weeks that what has occurred shall have a major impact going forward. All in Congress will own what they have or haven’t produced in votes, as military families are NOT a CULT as professed by some. And PLANTING NEWS articles to tape mouths closed, will not work.
We now have changed the on-call schedule, so that there is more cat support in attendance for these military families. Rotating ever 8 weeks, as the intensity is to much for my health and family. I strongly suggested pursing Republicans or watching the Yuan, as swing is running in a cycle….XYZZ. You had so much help only to abuse them again, what a great loss.
This administration is clearly “abusing” the rights of US Citizens on a daily basis, nothing has changed.
The Cat, who uses
May 28th, 2007 at 11:56 amInductive ~ Deductive LOGIC
Conservatives consider CNN, the Communist News Network.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
I would like to differ. Only stupid people would think that ANYTHING in the US can be considered “communist”. Get a trip to Bologna, Italy. Go to some factory and meet the Union members or students at the University. You will know what left is.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:58 amConservatives consider CNN, the Communist News Network. With your reasoning, it would make total sense for Republicans to refuse to debate on that network.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Fine with me.
BTW, have you watched CNN lately? They’re coming on over to your side.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:58 amACHTUNG:
Since the FBI started teaching that the “Founding Fathers Were Terrorists†we as in “We The People†concluded our little show.
SEE FOR YOURSELF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XC1fk_EO3c
We have been in a dictatorship since the Civil War and now it is just more visible. Test it yourself and simply stop paying your taxes and then see what happens. This is why Nancy Pelosi doesn’t practice what she preaches. This is why the Bill of Rights never seems to protect anyone since the answer is in the 1st Amendment…
Amendment 1:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
There is the loophole that, “Congress shall make no law…†It doesn’t mention the Commander In Chief and his EXECUTIVE ORDERS. Once at war the President becomes the “Commander In Chief†and that like it or not is a “DICTATOR†for lack of a better word.
So, what can you do about any of this? Many here branded me as a gun nut. Then they can plainly see how the 2nd Amendment secures the 1st but fear doing what the constitution demands of free people. Sure the world is going to end and sooner than we think but why do all of you want to go out like “whores?†Get your mind around the phrase, “Give me liberty or give me death!†What happened to the people that based a nation on, “NO Taxation without representation?â€
Why do you people imagine that the government lets the internet stay up? I’m sure they realize that it is more effective to let it remain since it is the equivalent of castration. We all talk the talk but when faced with action people insist on more gun control, letting aliens in willy-nilly, taking pills and watching congress further empower corruption. I would submit that denial is leading us to inaction.
Look at that link I posted above! The agent calls the “Founding Fathers†the “Original Terrorists!†Sure that is an Alex Jones video but the clips inside speak volumes about the FUD and Propaganda pointed at us to instill fear. The day comes that someone tells you that George Washington is a TERRORIST and you debate that with them all is lost. That guy needed to be shown the door and booted out of there. People tolerate complete utter “BS†all the time. People need to exercise their right of peaceably assembly and petition the government for a redress of grievances. We are at that, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.â€
Are we there yet folks at the “refreshment?†Jefferson (one of those terrorists) also said that, “A little rebellion now and then is a good thing….†I ask again, since Congress nor the President hear our cries of utter contempt and dissatisfaction to their misuse of our resources (money, military and liberties) when is the time for that refreshment? Many of you seem to be content to wait till the next election and if that doesn’t work then I suppose you will wait a little longer?
WHEN is WHEN?
May 28th, 2007 at 11:59 amOkay, in the Michael Moore example, instead of yelling “Fire!”, I just organize my conservative friends to attend the movie, get out in front of the audience and yell and scream so the movie is disrupted. Apparently, that is not illegal, because it is what liberal activists do routinely.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:00 pmThank you, Soo and UnV.
Heh. :)
Comment by Juan C
:P
May 28th, 2007 at 12:00 pm215. Comment by CaptainMantastic — First you confuse conservatism with Neo-Conservatism. Ron Paul is a conservative. The rest of the right running for election have adopted a neo-conservative platform. Neo-conservatives believe in Nation Building, hugh federal government, deficits that never stop, the abolition of the constitution ad civil liberties, giving rights to the federal government while taking away rights of the state……
Also, you never answered my question Trolltastic. What one good thing has Bush done for this country?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:04 pmI guess the point I’m making with the “Two Americas” is that John Edwards decrys how conservatives have made it two Americas with their financial policies. But he is unwilling to debate infront of the Fox audience. Apparently, he wouldn’t represent those people.
I guess he doesn’t want two Americas, just one. His America.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:09 pmOkay, in the Michael Moore example, instead of yelling “Fire!â€, I just organize my conservative friends to attend the movie, get out in front of the audience and yell and scream so the movie is disrupted. Apparently, that is not illegal, because it is what liberal activists do routinely.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
You can certainly do that, of course. The movie theater is private property, so the theater people have the right to have your ass arrested.
Dissent usually takes place in public forums, for maximum exposure. However, any dissent from the left is instantly silenced as the protesters are dragged away.
Are you more concerned with the health of our democracy (which is in grave condition), or good manners?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:13 pmcaptain turdtastic,
Even your ridiculous Faux News channel SUPPORTS Michael Moore’s new movie SICKO.
The more you type the more obvious your lack of intelligence and awareness is. Sad to have allied yourself with such a bunch of crooks and liars ain’t it?
Got a problem with peaceful protest, eh? Apparently to you the Constitution is “just a piece of paper” you antiAmerican loser.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:15 pmI guess the point I’m making with the “Two Americas†is that John Edwards decrys how conservatives have made it two Americas with their financial policies. But he is unwilling to debate infront of the Fox audience. Apparently, he wouldn’t represent those people.
I guess he doesn’t want two Americas, just one. His America.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Fox viewers will not watch Democrats debate, if there is anything else on. Are you saying you wouldn’t watch the debate on any other channel?
How is it that you can say John Edwards wouldn’t represent Fox viewers? That’s a statement worthy of George W. Bush — who only represents his “base.” You know, “the haves and have mores.”
May 28th, 2007 at 12:17 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — You would probably be arrested. Now that woudn’t be a bad thing. Let me know if I can arrange something for you and your buddies?
The problem with you is that you have swallowed all the stereo-types of what you think is wrong with America. That there is this Liberal agenda? I’m not Liberal and I don’t see this agenda. Ron Paul is a perfect example. He is often confused as being a democrat. Yet he conforms to the strictist Interpretation of what conservatism truly is. Paul says that his conviction is based on the moral good of and for people, and not self. I believe that’s the difference between neo-conservatives and conservatives.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:20 pmZooey. The private property point is a good point. But, I am not as dire about the state of our democracy.
Many here openly call the President a criminal and call for his impeachment. Many disagreed with his decision to go to war and successfully changed the leadership of the congress in the last election. We pray how we want, dress as we please, and everyone gets to vote. Our democracy is working so well, wouldn’t you wish our brothers and sisters in the middle east could share in it?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:22 pmOur democracy is working so well, wouldn’t you wish our brothers and sisters in the middle east could share in it?
Comment by CaptainMantastic
It’s up to them to form their own democracy — if they want it.
Who the hell do we think we are trying to force the “gift” of democracy on them?
Oh yeah, that’s not why we’re in Iraq. Wake up, Captain.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:29 pm“Conservatives consider CNN, the Communist News Network. With your reasoning, it would make total sense for Republicans to refuse to debate on that network.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 11:55 am”
Suit yourselves.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:38 pm“Thank you, Soo and UnV.
Heh. :)
Comment by Juan C — May 28, 2007 @ 11:56 am”
LOL
May 28th, 2007 at 12:39 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — Why do you blog here?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:41 pmJTitor. I believe that their are at least two legitimate views today. A progressive (liberal) viewpoint and a conservative viewpoint. It seems to me that those calling themselves conservative are willing to let the progressives ask them questions (i.e. the debates), while those calling themselves progressive elect to pick and choose their questions and moderators.
I see those who call themselves progressive shouting down opposing viewpoints (i.e campus lectures), I don’t see conservatives doing that.
Although I disagree with your views, I believe your views are legitimate. Can you say the same about my views?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:43 pm“I just organize my conservative friends to attend the movie, get out in front of the audience and yell and scream so the movie is disrupted.”
By all means, please do so.
“Apparently, that is not illegal, because it is what liberal activists do routinely.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 12:00 pm”
No, it isn’t. But, like I said – go disrupt the movie. Let us know how that worked for you.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:50 pmCaptainMantastic,
1. Progressive and liberal are different things — not all that different, but different. You can look it up.
2. Are you a “true” conservative, or a Bush supporter? True conservatives are nothing like these neo-cons.
3. Do actually believe that the right is not pulling strings behind the scenes of any debate? C’mon…
4. Has it occurred to you that conservatives are not interrupting speeches and lectures because they are hearing what they want to hear?
5. You have a right to your views. However, I take exception with those views if you support this administration, since they are all about war, profit, and dismantling our Constitutional rights.
What positive thing has George W. Bush done for this country?
May 28th, 2007 at 12:51 pm(Notice I said “country,” not the right or left wing)
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
You are a Neocon (fascist) since you boast force attrition and false democracy at gun point. In accordance with the Declaration of Independence & The Constitution we (the USA) may only enter war as a matter of DEFENSE. The “BORG†assimilation method of occupation that you are wishing on Iraq and Iran is clearly against our Constitution.
May 28th, 2007 at 12:56 pm“Our democracy is working so well, wouldn’t you wish our brothers and sisters in the middle east could share in it?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 12:22 pm”
Skirts, long hair and bras work really well for me – should I wish for you to share in it so much that I force it upon you regardless of your wishes?
The point is that the cultures in the Middle East are not currenlty compatable with our brand of Democracy anymore than we wished the Soviets or Nazis to force their totalarianism on our country.
If the Iraqi’s wanted our live style, they would have staged a Revolution (not just the Curds), and then asked us tohelp them build one. They wouldn’t be demanding that we leave their country and killing our soldiers if it was what THEY wanted…
May 28th, 2007 at 12:56 pmCaptainmantastic–are you a “Log Cabin” Republican? Just wondering with your choice of screen name. Not that it matters–Dems love that about you.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:01 pmI live in the south and I can tell you that everyone has taken off their “W The president” stickers. I now see more “F the president” stickers.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:07 pmZooey. I don’t know the difference between liberal and progressive, but I’ll take your word for it. (BTW, which are you?)
I believe I am a liberaterian except I support Bush’s stand on the war. I believe that many anti-war sentiments here are legitimate, I just believe inaction on the matter would result in a less free world. I believe fundamentalist Islam has declared war on the west and the only options we have are to fight or concede our ideology.
I really disagree with the sentiment here that Bush acted contrary to opinion at the time he made the decision to go to war. I think many here have short memories and 20/20 hindsight. After 9/11, people were concerned about terrorism and WMD, the Congress overwhelmingly gave the President authorization, and the President made a reasonable choice to go to war, given the information and the circumstances available at the time.
I think everyone should be given equal treatment in all things: minorities, homosexuals, women. But protection should not be denied to groups if they aren’t a minority. I respect the rights of everyone to worship as they wish – as long as there beliefs don’t infringe on the rights of others. That includes Christians and Muslims. I believe that Christians are being held relatively in check, but todays progressives are turning a blind eye to the intolerance of fundamentalist Islam, only because it is the enemy of its enemy, fundamentalist Christianity.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:08 pm“It seems to me that those calling themselves conservative are willing to let the progressives ask them questions (i.e. the debates), while those calling themselves progressive elect to pick and choose their questions and moderators.”
It’s because you are seeing only what you want to see.
I was a Conservative (right of center) Republican Catholic for 33 years. I switches sides because I ignored the propaganda by the leaders on the religious right to not listen to the “Pinko Commie Liberals”. Liberal have the better argument because it is based in facts, not in wishful thinking or speculation. They (we) also do consider your point of view – we just choose to reject them because we do not find them accepting or based in reality.
“I see those who call themselves progressive shouting down opposing viewpoints (i.e campus lectures), I don’t see conservatives doing that.”
Then you aren’t looking. History is laden with conservatives doing this. In fact, it’s a conservative mode for operating. Liberals take a live and let live approach – until you start stepping on our toes or violating our civil liberties and then we’re capable of fighting back. Pacifism doesn’t mean passivism.
“Although I disagree with your views, I believe your views are legitimate.”
By your side does not, in general, agree with you or support our right to them.
“Can you say the same about my views?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 12:43 pm”
You mean the ones in which you think it’s acceptable to shout ‘fire’ in a crowded Michael Moore film to get revenge for a group of liberals protesting a speech at a university? You really need an answer?
May 28th, 2007 at 1:08 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — Your answers paint a broad swatch. You can’t define viewpoints in liberal/conservative terms without specifics. This idiom you propose isn’t that simple. You write “I see those who call themselves progressive shouting down opposing viewpoints (i.e campus lectures), I don’t see conservatives doing that. “. No. They just call good people like John Edwards a “Fagg@t” behind his back. Neo-Cons never confront people face to face. They hide and make snid little comments and call it truth.
Again, what are you talking about? Almost every “progressive” protest has a counter protest that are very vocal. I guess your saying that since 70% of Americans do not support the war, and 21% do, then 70% of Americans shutup and not use our rights in a free country to protest a policy that is horribly wrong?
The president is an “elected” official for the people by the people, but chooses not to do the will of the people and stop this war. People are going to get a little pissed off. I constantly ask myself what dillusional world do you and your ilk live in?
Hypothetical; I see a cat sitting right in front of me, but you call it a dog, and I say no it’s a cat, and you say that I’m wrong it’s a dog. Thats your logic. Your paid to blog here and you will say anything even when it flies in the face of logic. I’m not really sure what your handlers think they are getting for thier money? They either need to start paying better, or get brighter people to fill the positions.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:23 pm“I believe I am a liberaterian except I support Bush’s stand on the war.”
Maybe if you did some thinking for yourself, research into what these things are and listening to opposite points of view, you might actually know.
“I believe that many anti-war sentiments here are legitimate, I just believe inaction on the matter would result in a less free world.”
When did we suggest inaction? We didn’t.
Don’t be so absolutistic that it’s either all or nothing. There are many shades of grey in the middle and that is where reality lies.
“I believe fundamentalist Islam has declared war on the west and the only options we have are to fight or concede our ideology.”
Again – stop with the all or nothing. And defending yourself doesn’t mean attacking a third-world country like Iraq when we should have been focused on Osama bin Laden (who isn’t in Iraq).
“I really disagree with the sentiment here that Bush acted contrary to opinion at the time he made the decision to go to war. I think many here have short memories and 20/20 hindsight. After 9/11, people were concerned about terrorism and WMD, the Congress overwhelmingly gave the President authorization, and the President made a reasonable choice to go to war, given the information and the circumstances available at the time.”
You are confusing 9/11 with Iraq. One has NOTHING to do with the other.
“But protection should not be denied to groups if they aren’t a minority.”
We don’t advocate that. There are left extremists – they don’t represent the majority of us.
“I believe that Christians are being held relatively in check,”
No… Not even close. Wask around for a daytelling people you are an Atheist and see how foaming-at-the-mouth out-of-control the religious right is.
“but todays progressives are turning a blind eye to the intolerance of fundamentalist Islam, only because it is the enemy of its enemy, fundamentalist Christianity.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 1:08 pm”
Nope. We despise both equally. The Right just refuses to see it because it shatters their argument against us.
What we actualy are against is Fundamental Extremism – regardless of flavor.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:26 pm242. Comment by unbelievable — Well said. I come from the same religous conservative background.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:27 pm“I see those who call themselves progressive shouting down opposing viewpoints (i.e campus lectures), I don’t see conservatives doing that.â€
Then you aren’t looking. History is laden with conservatives doing this. In fact, it’s a conservative mode for operating. Liberals take a live and let live approach – until you start stepping on our toes or violating our civil liberties and then we’re capable of fighting back. Pacifism doesn’t mean passivism.
Comment by unbelievable
Indeed, he hasn’t been looking, but he may have been reading rightwing blogs, where this particular calumny is treated as gospel. The same blogs ignore the staged “townhall” meetings that the Republicans, especially these Republicans, ran on a regular basis during the last few election cycles. The only people allowed in the meetings were vetted Bush worshippers, the only “questions” allowed were of the “how can i do more to worship you?” variety, and people who staged the minor protest of wearing t-shirts displaying the Bill of Rights were tossed out.
Conservatives and neocons welcome alternative points of view as much as they would welcome a plague of boils.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:27 pmunbelievable. what kind of action do you propose to keep fundamental Islam in check?
May 28th, 2007 at 1:31 pmMaybe if you did some thinking for yourself, research into what these things are and listening to opposite points of view, you might actually know.
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May 28th, 2007 at 1:31 pmThat’s all I do is think for myself and research to get the facts. Again, Ron Paul a Libertarian said it best in the debates. What it comes down to is baligerent forign policy or non-interventualist policy. I choose the latter.
“I come from the same religous conservative background.
Comment by JTitor — May 28, 2007 @ 1:27 pm”
Thanks – you too. I don’t always say so, because we get so caught up in the debate, but you’ve made a lot of great points! As has Juan, Zoo, several others, and even Rachel (saywho) who is with us today :D.
Do you consider yourself a moderate now?
May 28th, 2007 at 1:33 pm“I believe fundamentalist Islam has declared war on the west and the only options we have are to fight or concede our ideology.â€
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May 28th, 2007 at 1:34 pmTry reading “Crossing the Rubicon” and “Armed Madhouse”. Enlighten yourself.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
Since the FBI started teaching that the “Founding Fathers Were Terrorists†we as in “We The People†concluded our little show.
SEE FOR YOURSELF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XC1fk_EO3c
We have been in a dictatorship since the Civil War and now it is just more visible. Test it yourself and simply stop paying your taxes and then see what happens. This is why Nancy Pelosi doesn’t practice what she preaches. This is why the Bill of Rights never seems to protect anyone since the answer is in the 1st Amendment…
Amendment 1:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
There is the loophole that, “Congress shall make no law…†It doesn’t mention the Commander In Chief and his EXECUTIVE ORDERS. Once at war the President becomes the “Commander In Chief†and that like it or not is a “DICTATOR†for lack of a better word.
So, what can you do about any of this? Many here branded me as a gun nut. Then they can plainly see how the 2nd Amendment secures the 1st but fear doing what the constitution demands of free people. Sure the world is going to end and sooner than we think but why do all of you want to go out like “whores?†Get your mind around the phrase, “Give me liberty or give me death!†What happened to the people that based a nation on, “NO Taxation without representation?â€
Why do you people imagine that the government lets the internet stay up? I’m sure they realize that it is more effective to let it remain since it is the equivalent of castration. We all talk the talk but when faced with action people insist on more gun control, letting aliens in willy-nilly, taking pills and watching congress further empower corruption. I would submit that denial is leading us to inaction.
Look at that link I posted above! The agent calls the “Founding Fathers†the “Original Terrorists!†Sure that is an Alex Jones video but the clips inside speak volumes about the FUD and Propaganda pointed at us to instill fear. The day comes that someone tells you that George Washington is a TERRORIST and you debate that with them all is lost. That guy needed to be shown the door and booted out of there. People tolerate complete utter “BS†all the time. People need to exercise their right of peaceably assembly and petition the government for a redress of grievances. We are at that, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.â€
Are we there yet folks at the “refreshment?†Jefferson (one of those terrorists) also said that, “A little rebellion now and then is a good thing….†I ask again, since Congress nor the President hear our cries of utter contempt and dissatisfaction to their misuse of our resources (money, military and liberties) when is the time for that refreshment? Many of you seem to be content to wait till the next election and if that doesn’t work then I suppose you will wait a little longer?
Who said that The 9-11 Commission Report was anything other than a fictional work? If our goal was to kill Saddam and eliminate his WMD than what does Iraq’s oil have to do with anything? Now we morph things into, “spreading democracy.” You mean to say, “Establishing the NWO through forced attrition?
WHEN is WHEN?
May 28th, 2007 at 1:37 pm“Conservatives and neocons welcome alternative points of view as much as they would welcome a plague of boils.
Comment by gummitch — May 28, 2007 @ 1:27 pm”
Indeed! LOL
Having been on their side once, I can speak from experienece that they to shut out opposition. I discovered, watching a debate between a conserative Catholic and two liberal Catholics on abortion and welfare that the conservative kept making up facts he couldn’t substantiate because reality was not on his side.
It was something I had been taught as a child – to consider the opposition the work of Satan and avoid it… My father was very anti-Evolution. He called it “EVILution” In 8th grade, having been presented the facts of Evolution, I chose to accept it. Something I had to conceal from my father for his lack of tolerance and avoidance of dissent.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:39 pmzooey, check out this site:
http://www.projectcensored.org
http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2007/index.htm
May 28th, 2007 at 1:41 pm“unbelievable. what kind of action do you propose to keep fundamental Islam in check?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 1:31 pm”
You mean the people like Osama bin Laden who was able to get enough young men to kill themselves on 9/11 simply for the sake of attacking us?
Well, first, I would suggest we not make acquaintance with people like this by giving them military training, CIA knowledge, weaponry and funds. Osama is a by-product of our government’s doing to a large degree.
Secondly, I would suggest that we do what we do against all radical groups – a strong defense. Strengthen our borders, security systems, and educate people on the matter instead of keeping them scared and chained in the basement of ignorance.
Thirdly, we need a better foreign policy. I think we can defeat these poeple on their own territory if we have stronger, more respectful relationships with other governments.
Lastly, I am not willing to give up my freedoms for a false security, I think that sending a loud message to people that I am not “convertable” – so go waste your energy on people who are – works. I know from experinece as an Atheist living in the Bible Belt. The Fundies don’t waste tehir time on me. Extremeists target people because they think those people are malleable, scared and easily manipulated. And really, many people in this country are.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:47 pmZooey. I don’t know the difference between liberal and progressive, but I’ll take your word for it. (BTW, which are you?)
You can find out the difference, if you care to, Captain. I consider myself a liberal.
I believe I am a liberaterian except I support Bush’s stand on the war. I believe that many anti-war sentiments here are legitimate, I just believe inaction on the matter would result in a less free world. I believe fundamentalist Islam has declared war on the west and the only options we have are to fight or concede our ideology.
That’s fairly inconsistent of you, isn’t it?
I really disagree with the sentiment here that Bush acted contrary to opinion at the time he made the decision to go to war. I think many here have short memories and 20/20 hindsight. After 9/11, people were concerned about terrorism and WMD, the Congress overwhelmingly gave the President authorization, and the President made a reasonable choice to go to war, given the information and the circumstances available at the time.
Bush manufactured the public sentiment he needed to go into this war — with the Congress and the people. If you actually believe what you wrote in the above paragraph, then you are allowing yourself to be led around by the nose by this administration. afterdowningstreet.org has all of the documentation.
I think everyone should be given equal treatment in all things: minorities, homosexuals, women. But protection should not be denied to groups if they aren’t a minority. I respect the rights of everyone to worship as they wish – as long as there beliefs don’t infringe on the rights of others. That includes Christians and Muslims. I believe that Christians are being held relatively in check, but todays progressives are turning a blind eye to the intolerance of fundamentalist Islam, only because it is the enemy of its enemy, fundamentalist Christianity.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
I respect your social liberalism, and you admission to such liberal views.
We create what we fear. People in this country began to fear the Islamic Fundamentalists to such a degree that we attacked an innocent country (Iraq was not a religious state), hence creating more religious extremists, not only in Iraq, but across the region.
Christian Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists are equally extreme, and equally as dangerous.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:49 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — May 28, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
Thanks. :)
May 28th, 2007 at 1:53 pm“I choose the latter.
Comment by JTitor — May 28, 2007 @ 1:31 pm”
I’m with you on that! :D
Gonna take a break… I finished the necklace I was making and need to shift gears for a bit :D
Captain – thanks for the civil debate without ad hominems and name calling. It’s rare around here lately with all the divisiveness between Americans. I don’t agree with your conclusions, but appreciate that you can come here and engage us respectfully.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:53 pm“I believe that Christians are being held relatively in check,â€
No… Not even close. Wask around for a daytelling people you are an Atheist and see how foaming-at-the-mouth out-of-control the religious right is.
Yeah, but do they kill you for it.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:55 pmGranted this is very late in coming, but I’m utterly surprised that no one called “DreamCrusher” on his blatant double standard.
“I’m tired of moronic liberals in the US pretending that they are oppressed. It’s really getting old and is an affront to every truly oppressed person across the world.” (from Comment #20–5/27/07–11:07pm)
What the “DreamCrusher” apparently forgets is that a bunch of moronic conservatives (a VERY large number of them being “right-wing Christians”) continuously whine about how “oppressed” they are. Well, they actually use “PERSECUTED” in their whines. But it’s pretty much they same thing. I will agree with DreamCrusher though that it does really get old and is an affront to every truly oppressed/persecuted Christian in the world.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI guess, though, since it’s CONSERVATIVES pretending to be oppressed, DreamCrusher feels it’s okay. (Hey, DreamCrusher, just for the record, how’s that “War on Christmas” been going? You know, that RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE whiny screed that’s come up for the last few years?)
First, it is unwise to publish general falsehoods about “what liberal activists do routinely.”
Second, you might want to employ M!ghty Aphrod!te as your defense attorney. She might be able to locate the appropriate statutes on “disturbing the peace.” Then again, you might wish to retain a real lawyer. Just don’t call me. I’ll be representing the patrons who sue you for interrupting their quiet enjoyment of the movie.
May 28th, 2007 at 1:57 pmChristian Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists are equally extreme, and equally as dangerous.
You have to admit the intolerance that is happening today in the middle east: Christians being threatened with death unless they convert, riots over cartoons, plays being cancelled, the pope being threatened, honor killings, lack of women’s rights, much more significant intolerance of homosexuality; that intolerance is more significant than the intolerance of today’s Christians.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:01 pmCaptain m; go f*ck yourself. That was not an invitation, it is an ORDER, Captain.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:02 pmComment by Saywho — “Many here branded me as a gun nut. Then they can plainly see how the 2nd Amendment secures the 1st but fear doing what the constitution”
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May 28th, 2007 at 2:05 pmGun owner as well, and know how to use it.
Alabammy is on the bottom, dead bottom for providing public services like mental health and public education.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:06 pmCaptainMantastic, you are hereby demoted to the rank of Private, you will forfeit all pay from the RNC for the term of one year.
Your inane posts are detrimental to your fuehrer and his legion of braindead minions. You have brought shame and disgrace to the 3rd Troll legion.
Sergeant, escort the prisoner to Leavenworth.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:09 pmYou have to admit the intolerance that is happening today in the middle east: Christians being threatened with death unless they convert, riots over cartoons, plays being cancelled, the pope being threatened, honor killings, lack of women’s rights, much more significant intolerance of homosexuality; that intolerance is more significant than the intolerance of today’s Christians.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
No, I don’t have to admit it. The light is being shone on the world of Islam right now, and it’s exposing ugliness. Have you ever checked on what the light has exposed regarding Christianity?
If you think Fundamentalist Christians wouldn’t do the same things if they could get away with it, then you’ve never watched “Jesus Camp.”
May 28th, 2007 at 2:10 pmCaptain – thanks for the civil debate without ad hominems and name calling. It’s rare around here lately with all the divisiveness between Americans. I don’t agree with your conclusions, but appreciate that you can come here and engage us respectfully.
Comment by unbelievable —
Yes. Captain I have to give it to you coming in here and taking one for the team. You need to ask for a raise. I’m sure they don’t pay you enough?
May 28th, 2007 at 2:11 pmwas that a tolerant ‘f yourself’ or an intolerant ‘f yourself’?
May 28th, 2007 at 2:13 pmComment by Ginko — May 28, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Go ahead and protest to your pleasure! That is your right in the US. I never spoke out against your right to protest, or the right of others to counter protest. I guess your attack is unwarrented.
Blog until your heart is content. I prefer to take the word of people I know over anything that appears on the internet.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:18 pmwas that a tolerant ‘f yourself’ or an intolerant ‘f yourself’?
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Heh. I think it was an order.
Hmmmm…do orders have to be tolerant?
May 28th, 2007 at 2:19 pmMaybe Cpt. Crepitus knows…
Captain,
Do you support the constitution?
May 28th, 2007 at 2:20 pmDoesn’t make any difference, does it, Captain? Do it now! Before you are keelhauled, and that is serious on an aircraft carrier.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:20 pmCaptain – thanks for the civil debate without ad hominems and name calling. It’s rare around here lately with all the divisiveness between Americans. I don’t agree with your conclusions, but appreciate that you can come here and engage us respectfully.
Comment by unbelievable —
You know we probably agree on much more than we disagree. And although I disagree with most of the anti-Bush retoric, I am also looking forward to the end of the Bush presidency – with the naive hope that with someone else in the White House (R or D) there could be some window of opportunity for the country to be less devisive and more productive.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:21 pmcaptain
People backed the war because they were LIED to and presented with fabricated evidence. To support a war that was built on lies, to attack a country that had NOTHING to do with the attack on 9/11 that has caused a severe rise in terrorism is to not function from a position of reason or reality.
It takes an utter suspension of critical thinking and a complete ignoring of the facts of the case to support Bush and his war. We are now in far more danger from the “threat of terror” than ever before BECAUSE of his wanton grab of oil money and his selling of the “mask of democracy” to the people of Iraq. He has played right into bin Laden’s hand. This was bin Laden’s plan, haven’t you seen his tape? He was gleeful when he heard Bush was going into Iraq, that is exactly what he wanted. This way he will deplete our army, just as he planned to. THEN he will attack again. So far, his plan is working perfectly thanks to Bush. You can not sell democracy with weapons. HELLO! Only through diplomacy does democracy have a fighting chance. Bush is not interested in the LEAST in bringing democracy to Iraq, nor was he interested in avenging 9/11 or he would have at least gone to battle in the correct country. bin Laden has never been in Iraq nor has he ANY ties or connections whatsoever with Hussein. He only wants to steal their oil and take your tax dollars and give them to Halliburton, CACI, Exxon, he has bankrupted our country. CLinton left office and left us FREE OF DEBT. Now we are trillions in the hole. You call that Conservative? Bush created the LARGEST govt. agency in the history of this country, you call that Conservative?? The Conservative party has been hijacked by psycho wingnut bible thumpers with an axe to grind. They are the same as Jihadists. We are now reduced to behaving in the VERY SAME WAY Saddam Hussein did, using torture, ignoring the Geneva Conventions, denying people habeus corpus. The cornerstone of our system, the DOJ has been gutted and lies dying due to Bush. We have never in our history been as vulnerable as we are today thanks to Bush and his whackjob 28% base. Thank GOD there is strength in numbers and we out number you by a wide margin. Now if we can ensure that we have fair elections again we might be able to recover from this but if not, our beloved USA will never be the same again.
I think our downfall was a complete lack of awareness and RESPECT foe the many cultures in the Middle East coupled with a complete lack of understanding of the Muslim faith add to that ZERO diplomatic effort and you have the mess we are in.
Neocon wingnuts are always trying to pidgeonhole “liberals” and most of us do not label ourselves. If I had to label myself, I’d label myself a member of the REALITY based community not a “Democrat”, REALITY has a liberal bent.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:23 pmWake up, educate yourself. Stop watching FAUX News and get some real news. You have allied yourself with crooks and liars who care NOTHING about you. They don’t even need your vote because they have rigged the election, they know they can’t win an election fairly. Bush did not win in 2001, he cheated his way into the Presidency and look what has resulted, a dramatic loss of our freedoms and strife all over the world. Great agenda ya got there.
“I prefer to take the word of people I know over anything that appears on the internet.” -comment by hacker bob. Then just why are you even here?
May 28th, 2007 at 2:24 pmthis bears repeating:
We create what we fear. People in this country began to fear the Islamic Fundamentalists to such a degree that we attacked an innocent country (Iraq was not a religious state), hence creating more religious extremists, not only in Iraq, but across the region.
Christian Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists are equally extreme, and equally as dangerous.
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
She has captured the essence of the conflict, and, to the wise, shown a path to peace.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:32 pmcaptain,
We invade an innocent country, kill millions of their people and destroy their entire infrastructure and you call THEM intolerant??
May 28th, 2007 at 2:37 pmThe problem with neocons at their core is they are a bunch of racists. You seem to know little to nothing of the Muslim religion or other cultures. You seem to think YOUR culture is superior and it is that very attitude that has destroyed out reputation worldwide. Sad indeed.
Only a fool goes to war in a country where they speak a different language and don’t bother to even hire language experts! We, the US people paid OUR tax dollars to start a TV station in the Middle East to spread our agenda but were too stupid to hire producers who spoke the language and ended up broadcasting for hours and hours tapes from people who were recruiting terrorists for the war on us. Now that takes stupid to a whole new level.
Im sorry your party has failed you but you are on a sinking ship of corruption and hate. Get out while you can. Stop casting your vote for these criminals.
The Conservative party might survive if they kick out all the Neocons but it’s doubtful.
She has captured the essence of the conflict, and, to the wise, shown a path to peace.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Thank you, sensei.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:47 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — I have to agree. Progressives are not what they are portrayed. Niether are conservatives. Neo-Conservatives, which are niether conservative nor new, are using both sides and pitting each against each other. I view both parties as poor stewarts, but the level of corruption with the Neo-Conservatives is staggering. The Republican party lost it’s way when it left the paleo-conservative views and allowed the Neo-Cons to take over the party. Additionally, the Neo-Conservatives took the fundimental evangelical movement as a political force to garner votes, adopted some of their doctrine and now you have this hybrid of crazies that are running foriegn policy. I fully support fighting terrorism, always have. But, I don’t support invading a country for it’s resources, then when it goes terribly wrong calling it the fault of terrorism. At the same time that country that these terrorist originated from still is on the most favored nation list. Don’t you ask yourself why the press doesn’t serouisly look at the money transactions regarding Arbusto Energy (arbusto means Bush in Spanish), between the Bin Laden’s and Bush Jr?
May 28th, 2007 at 2:48 pm#113
“You mean like the CIA and international inspector?”
Yes exactly like those guys who never AND could never gurantee that they were all destroyed. You are one naive fool to think otherwise.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:58 pm#114
No, I am afraid of people like you being in charge of the security of the U.S.
May 28th, 2007 at 2:59 pm#117
“…fact remains that Iraq was not a threat to the US, and couldn’t possibly have been”
I was never was or ever said I was worried about Saddam launching ANY kind of attack on the U.S.; however the fact remained that Saddam had been bribed and been given kickbacks by outsiders for 10 years. If you think for a minute that he would have sold a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group then you once again are very naive and I am glad people such as yourself aren’t in charge of U.S. national security.
“…in no way a match for the US -the largest military power”
No shit! Gregor I have come to the conclusion that you don’t know a thing about chemical or biological WMDs, how they are produced or their actual size and how easy it is to keep them hidden.
“Appease just who, exactly?”
Iran for one. The EU has been negotiating with Iran for some time now to get them to shut down their NON-peaceful nuclear programs. How is that going?
May 28th, 2007 at 3:23 pm#118
“Which is why I say the list is political in nature.”
Of course it’s political in nature. The fact the politics of Iran itself makes it a state sponsor of terrorism is no big suprise.
“Yeah, but Pakistan is a reliable ally in the GWOT. They cannot land on the list.”
I guess you can’t in this case isolate and important ally eventhough they might be engaged in bad things. What’s worse?…isolating Pakistan and getting zero help in the part of the world that would be inpossible for the U.S. to get in an fight al Qaeda or using them to help engage the Taliban?
May 28th, 2007 at 3:29 pm#119
“Yet somehow the lunatics would like to paint people like me as being cowards, using their own warped logic.”
I don’t think the left are a bunch of cowards. I just think that they have the same mentality as Chamberlain did in 1939.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:32 pm#120
REpost:
“Yet somehow the lunatics would like to paint people like me as being cowards, using their own warped logic.â€
I don’t think the left are a bunch of cowards. I just think that they have the same mentality as Chamberlain did in 1939.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:33 pmNowhere, because Bush has blocked it at every turn. And Iran has learned the lesson from North Korea and the Soviet Union. Having “The Bomb” works as a deterrant. I can’t say I blame the Iranians one bit, not considering what we did to their neighbor.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:44 pmI just think that they have the same mentality as Chamberlain did in 1939.
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
I think you’re talking about “the left” as they have been portrayed by “the right.”
However, your description is apt, when applied to the relationship between the Democratic Party and Bush. They have acted as appeasers to Hitler. And Bush has reacted similarly, by demanding more and more.
for example, the Iraq Study Group said pull out of Iraq. Bush responded with a surge.
And Bush won every single concession from the Democrats when it came to funding the surge and the continuance of his war, with no strings attached, and the implicit go-ahead to attack Iran.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:49 pm#121
“Maybe they were mighty at one time, if so, they certainly got soft is all I can say.”
The ONLY reason that Hezbollah is even around today is because Olmert was such a panzy the he didn’t allow Isreal to truely go in a clean Hezbollah out, yet another same mistake the Isreali govenment made in 2003. Lobbing shells and bombing southern Lebanon wasn’t going to solve the illegal Hezbollah occupation problem. BTW Hezbollah cleaned Israel’s clock? Are you stupid or somthing? 700+ Hezbollah fighters killed compared to 120 IDF soldiers? The BEST soldiers in the world are in the IDF. Please read up on the world’s militaries and then you might not make such ignorant statements next time.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:01 pm#125
I think it’s going to prove once and for all what many have been saying about Iran for a long time now. A. they are unwilling to shut down their non peaceful nuclear program and B. to really help with the security problem unless they get their political “cut” regarding a Lebanon type influence in Iraq.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:09 pm#160
More like lack of intellectual capacity.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:12 pm#169
I told Tracy in post 105, at 1:32 am, that I was leaving to go to sleep, then at 2:13 am post 112 she demands to know where I went in Alabama?”
She? You have been posting for a long time here Jay and you know that I am not a woman. Or is this just some more of your bigotry? BTW you could have answerd it the next day dummy.
“She claims I am a bigot, because I said Alabama is filled with KKK nuts?”
Such a statement by you proves that pretty easily.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:16 pm“Yeah, but do they kill you for it.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 1:55 pm”
Me, not yet – but I don’t advertize around rednecks because I think the odds are not in my favor. Others have been killed for it – yes. The bible has the same ‘kill non-believers’ nonsense as the Koran. Why do you think women believed to be witches were burned? Same Christian principal.
We weren’t attacked for not being Muslim, by the way. Have you heard the lie so much you now believe it?
May 28th, 2007 at 4:16 pm“You know, that RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE whiny screed that’s come up for the last few years?)
Comment by JosephW — May 28, 2007 @ 1:57 pm”
One of my favorite quotes:
“I am treated as evil by those who feel persecuted because they cannot force me to believe as they do.”
-unknown
May 28th, 2007 at 4:19 pm“You have to admit the intolerance that is happening today in the middle east: [...] that intolerance is more significant than the intolerance of today’s Christians.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 2:01 pm”
Can’t, because it isn’t true. You just live among Christian intolerances so it’s not as shocking as Muslim intolerances. Both are equal amounts of horrid.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:22 pm“then you’ve never watched “Jesus Camp.â€
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 2:10 pm”
The cover of the DVD at my local video store scares me too much to even pick it up… Should I?
May 28th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWell, she may not be a terrorist, but DailyKos at least admitted that Cindy Sheehan is an “attention whore”: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/28/12530/1525
Makes Memorial Day even better for me.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:26 pm#149
“Society will not advance until religion becomes as out-moded as all the other silly nonsense unaware humans once believed…”
Will that advance also come when it includes the multitude of theories the man had concocted to explain things he still doesn’t understand? Talk about being unaware.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pm“with the naive hope that with someone else in the White House (R or D) there could be some window of opportunity for the country to be less devisive and more productive.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 2:21 pm”
Of the front runners in the current lot running, I’m not as hopeful as you. I just see more of the same – except for maybe John Edwards – but I think his own party will turn on him and leave him impotent because he’s anti-establishment, and they might be less conservative establishment than the Republicans – but they are still establishment.
I’m about to give up in my hope of Al Gore getting in the game. I read an article that was more logical than my speculation, and I had to accept that his logic was sound. Gore probably is more influential in his current role than he would be as President, and I think he knows that.
I’m going to learn to speak Dutch next year. If we wind up with another Conservative (and I consider Hillary and conservative), I’m going to start planning to move to Europe. I figure I know enough French and Italian, so Dutch would be a nice third option…
May 28th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“Makes Memorial Day even better for me.
Comment by Jake — May 28, 2007 @ 4:26 pm”
Because misery loves company?
You’re pathetic to get off on opinions of other people…
May 28th, 2007 at 4:37 pm“Will that advance also come when it includes the multitude of theories the man had concocted to explain things he still doesn’t understand? Talk about being unaware.
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 4:33 pm”
You just repeated what I said… And then insulted me for it?
Care to give an example of your ‘multitude’? I’m always up for a good laugh…
May 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pm#194
“We get banned at right wing blogs within a few comments.”
Which blogs? Specifically.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThe cover of the DVD at my local video store scares me too much to even pick it up… Should I?
Comment by unbelievable
I only got about halfway through it, but I would recommend it — only because it shows how the fundies are raising their children.
It’s frickin’ terrifying.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:41 pm“Which blogs? Specifically.
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 4:40 pm”
Restate for sure… I don’t know about the rest, but several people have mentioned lately that they’ve been banned from others just for dissenting. Go check it out. I don’t have the stomach for it today.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pm#195
Where did this BS phrase “progressive” come from? Why can’t we just say liberal?
May 28th, 2007 at 4:44 pm#196
“What I don’t find amusing is when they take over a thread.”
I wouldn’t find it funny. I would find it disturbing that people are so weak minded here to allow it to happen over and over again.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:45 pm#199
“…is harboring Osama and his base camp is in Pakistan”
So you know where Osama and his base camp is? Please do alert the CIA and the U.S. military immediately with this valuable information!
May 28th, 2007 at 4:47 pm#205
“Fox is not news, it’s entertainment — mostly propaganda.”
Where do you get your news from?
May 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pmLess Than 0.01% Of Homeland Security Cases Are Terrorism Related
May 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/27/homeland.security.record/
If you think for a minute that he would have sold a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group[...]
Your hypothetical scenarios make no sense because
Iraq. did. not. have. WMD. before. the. invasion.
End of story.
Gregor I have come to the conclusion that you don’t know a thing about chemical or biological WMDs,[...]
Comment by Tracy — May 28, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Once again: Iraq. did. not. have. WMD. before. the. invasion.
It doesn’t matter what you think Hussein could have done if only he had WMD, or where he could have hidden them because
Iraq. did. not. have. WMD. before. the. invasion.
Get your little mind around that fact already.
“Appease just who, exactly?â€
Iran for one. The EU has been negotiating with Iran for some time now to get them to shut down their NON-peaceful nuclear programs. How is that going?
If talks with Iran constitute “appeasement”, the your Dear (mis)Leader is doing exactly that.
You really need to read the news more often.
Of course it’s political in nature. The fact the politics of Iran itself makes it a state sponsor of terrorism is no big suprise.
Duh. I meant to say that the determination of what country ends up in the list has as much to do with actual sponsor of terrorism as it does with American foreign policy.
What’s worse?…isolating Pakistan and getting zero help in the part of the world that would be inpossible for the U.S. to get in an fight al Qaeda or using them to help engage the Taliban?
You are making my point for me. I don’t even know why you try to argue against what I am saying only to then type the above: The list is not handed down by some god in the sky and its compilation takes into account considerations like the one you just stated. Which means you agree with my initial point. See, it didn’t hurt that much -did it?
May 28th, 2007 at 4:55 pmJPV,
And oddly enough, the Democrats have yet to accomplish anything of substance, and are themselves constantly criticized by their base.
Oh really? Well that’s not what Think Progress wrote recently. Cognitive dissonance much?
JTitor,
So do you concede that the list of Executive Orders you gave was in fact completely fraudulent? You claimed we live under a dictatorship now, and based that on EOs passed decades ago, even though the list you gave fraudulently misrepresented the contents of those EOs? Give me a break dude, you got hustled because you wanted to believe it.
JosephW,
What the “DreamCrusher†apparently forgets is that a bunch of moronic conservatives (a VERY large number of them being “right-wing Christiansâ€) continuously whine about how “oppressed†they are. Well, they actually use “PERSECUTED†in their whines. But it’s pretty much they same thing. I will agree with DreamCrusher though that it does really get old and is an affront to every truly oppressed/persecuted Christian in the world.
What’s your evidence that I have forgotten this? What does this have to do with the topic, that some liberals claim they are being oppressed by a dictatorship? Is that what conservatives claim? No, it surely is not. Christians might feel like their religion is being attacked in the USA, but they do not claim to be living in a dictatorship.
I guess, though, since it’s CONSERVATIVES pretending to be oppressed, DreamCrusher feels it’s okay. (Hey, DreamCrusher, just for the record, how’s that “War on Christmas†been going? You know, that RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE whiny screed that’s come up for the last few years?)
Conservatives aren’t pretending to be oppressed by a dictatorship, they feel that the media and Hollywood are attacking their religion unfairly, which there are good examples of, for obvious reasons.
Religion is illogical, and thus it is criticized, and conservatives then express dismay at this. But what does that have to do with liberals pretending that they live in a dictatorship?
You apparently think I’m religious and conservative, and I’m sorry to inform you that you are completely wrong. You’re barking up the wrong tree.
As for the War on Christmas, I would gladly join such a war if it existed in any real sense.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:58 pmThen just why are you even here?
Comment by Admiral Zoomie — May 28, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Sir, Discussion and the occasional flogging, Sir!
May 28th, 2007 at 5:09 pm#254
“Secondly, I would suggest that we do what we do against all radical groups – a strong defense.”
That will solve about 50% of the problem.
“I think we can defeat these poeple on their own territory if we have stronger, more respectful relationships with other governments.”
I agree, but which governments? If the govenments we are looking to have stonger ties too are in support of the opposition financially and/or economically, i.e. Russia and China what would that accomplish?
“I think that sending a loud message to people that I am not “convertable†– so go waste your energy on people who are – works.”
Then you are very aware of the Islamic fundementalists modus operandi which includes “forceable” violent means for conversion and compliance with their political and religious views. You wouldn’t stand a chance with your loud words.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:17 pm#255
“Christian Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists are equally extreme, and equally as dangerous.”
Now that is the biggest bunch of crap I have heard in a long time. When was the last time you were threated to be killed if you didn’t convert to Christianity? When was the last time you were physically threatened for not being a Christian?
May 28th, 2007 at 5:20 pmChristian Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists are equally extreme, and equally as dangerous.
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
She has captured the essence of the conflict, and, to the wise, shown a path to peace.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — May 28, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
umm… when in the last 100 years has a nation of Christian fundys attacked another nation in the name of the Word, or Christ, or some other article of faith?
May 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pmJean Paul Sartre
Or was just them banned in 1953? I really dont know.
Comment by Juan C — May 28, 2007 @ 11:25 am
I don’t know of any of Sartre’s books that are still banned.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:31 pmComment by JTitor — May 28, 2007 @ 1:59 am
Yeah, sorry about that… misunderstanding.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:33 pmGWB, just after 9/11
May 28th, 2007 at 5:35 pmSpeaking spontaneously, without the aid of advisers or speechwriters, he put a word on the new American purpose that both shaped it and gave it meaning. “This crusade,” he said, “this war on terrorism.”
“Sir, Discussion and the occasional flogging, sir.”-comment by hacker bob. Ah, I see, what we have here is a masochist. Well, whatever floats your boat, baby. Different strokes for different folks.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:44 pm“when in the last 100 years has a nation of Christian fundys attacked another nation in the name of the Word, or Christ, or some other article of faith”- comment by Mr,. P
May 28th, 2007 at 5:55 pm
#266
“If you think Fundamentalist Christians wouldn’t do the same things if they could get away with it, then you’ve never watched “Jesus Camp.—
I can’t believe after watching Jesus Camp, you would think that those who have attended one would go out and kill a bunch of people for being heathens. I agree there are SOME Christians that have the same violent tendencies that people like bin Laden have but, to compare them as being a big a threat as al Qaeda is nothing but propaganda. It’s not even close. Talk about fear mongering! How many instances has there been where a fundamentalist Christian group has gone off an blew up a bunch of civilians or gunned them down? I agree that they are wacko, but it’s not comparable.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:05 pm#286
“Nowhere, because Bush has blocked it at every turn.”
Please elaborate with specifics.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:07 pm#287
“I think you’re talking about “the left†as they have been portrayed by “the right.—
No, I am talking about the left’s approach to foreign policy with respect to other nations like Iran.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:09 pm#300
Well if you are going to demand unprovable beliefs to be thrown out we can start with the theory of the evolution of man.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:12 pm#303
“…don’t know about the rest, but several people have mentioned lately that they’ve been banned from others just for dissenting.”
Do you actually thing that those people will be able to? I have asked for the SAME thing many times before and I got zero in response.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:15 pmAs I recall, Dumbya said he answers to “a higher fatherâ€, who he claims told him to invade Iraq. Damn! you dumb.
Comment by Uncle Ho — May 28, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
But those were not the reasons given for our intervention of the Iracki situation. (Even though it seems they did not) Bush held that his reason for mediating Ereiky affairs was that they did not comply with UN policy regarding WMDs. In Your Face! … punk.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:19 pmMrP: The inspectors were doing their jobs but were ordered out because Bush was going to invade and not allow any further time for inspections, because he knew they would not find those imaginary WMDs. So f*ck you asshat!
May 28th, 2007 at 6:27 pmSeptember 2001, attack against the United States, frame-up of Muslims.
October 2001, attack against Afghanistan
March, 2003, attack against Iraq.
Article of faith: Money, the Holy Profit.
Welcome to modern day Christian Fundamentalism.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:37 pmComment by Uncle Ho — May 28, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
First off… “asshat” is a great word. I can’t wait to use it.
But back to the matter at hand:
So do you think that our presence in eyerack is about Xianity?
Cause that is what my point was.
People were talking about Xtian and Mehometian fundys. Some held that the Xtians were just as dangerous, but there has not been an entire nation of Xtians waging war in the name of Xst, the bible or some other nonsense in quite a while. Your off topic… ho
May 28th, 2007 at 6:38 pmYour off topic… ho
Comment by Mr. President
Um….so are you…pee.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:40 pmunbelievable. you go back to the Salem witch trials to justify the equivalence of intolerance. By bringing up Christian behavior of 400 years ago, you are validating my point. The intolerance we face from fundamentalist Islam is real and happening today. It strains all credibility to compare the two today.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:43 pm#309
“Iraq. did. not. have. WMD. before. the. invasion.”
So what Blix said is gospel and utterly verifiable? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Get your little mind around that fact already.”
Please post a link to a UNMOVIC report the states with 100% certainty that Saddam didn’t have any WMDs prior to the 2003 invasion.
“You really need to read the news more often.”
I think the talks are being set up to prove a point. See #289.
“Duh. I meant to say that the determination of what country ends up in the list has as much to do with actual sponsor of terrorism as it does with American foreign policy.”
Well I am glad you clarified you statement.
“Which means you agree with my initial point. See, it didn’t hurt that much -did it?”
No, it didn’t, but as you did with you previous statement, it helps to clarify your position. I thought you were suggesting that a country being listed on the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism shouldn’t be influenced by politics or what the current list of U.S. allies looks like.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:44 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — May 28, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
You wouldn’t know a Xtian fundy if s/he pissed in your mouth.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:48 pm321: US accuses Iran over North Korean missile tests
Thu. 20 Jul 2006
By Parisa Hafezi
TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iran accused the United States on Thursday of trying to obstruct talks to end a standoff over Tehran’s nuclear programme, while Washington said its fears had risen because Iranians had witnessed North Korean missile tests.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:49 pmYour off topic… ho
Comment by Mr. President
Um….so are you…pee.
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
How so? Weren’t you the one who first brought this up:
Christian Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists are equally extreme, and equally as dangerous.
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
???
Then it was quoted by BnF:
Christian Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists are equally extreme, and equally as dangerous.
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
She has captured the essence of the conflict, and, to the wise, shown a path to peace.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — May 28, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
????
I didn’t read these posts until later, obviously my posts were not out of the blue.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:52 pmPee- you are outgunned here. CaptM-didn’t the Admiral have you keelhauled?
May 28th, 2007 at 6:53 pmComment by Uncle Ho — May 28, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
I accept your surrender.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:56 pmUncle Ho. I’m not a military captain. Captain is a holdover from my days performing with Tennille.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI didn’t read these posts until later, obviously my posts were not out of the blue.
Comment by Mr. President
You’re accusing Uncle Ho of being off topic on a thread with the topic name “Anti-war groups = terrorists.”
We’re all off topic.
Just sayin’.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:00 pmUnbelievable. we were also talking about the progressive proclivity to suppress free speech. As bad as the Bush administration is, he hasn’t shut down any opposition television, like the left’s hero, Hugo Chavez. What’s your take on that?
May 28th, 2007 at 7:03 pm“like the left’s hero, Hugo Chavez.”
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
Zing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 28th, 2007 at 7:04 pmCap’n- pay attention son. Bush sighned recently some directives which would make him a dictator and suspending civil liberties, the press, and even the courts and Congress by declaring a “national emergency”. Just like Hitler, using the Enabling Act in 1933 after the Reichstag fire.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
Pee- you have 2 minutes to surrender your vessel.
Comment by Uncle Ho — May 28, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Whatever dude, I fight it out till the end.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:12 pm#326
Kinda like when Clinton ordered out inspector so he could launch Operation Desert Fox, but after that Saddam wouldn’t allow inspectors back in….for what reason?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Desert_Fox
May 28th, 2007 at 7:12 pmAs bad as the Bush administration is, he hasn’t shut down any opposition television, like the left’s hero, Hugo Chavez. What’s your take on that?
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Does Hugo Chavez have a television show in this country?
May 28th, 2007 at 7:14 pmDoes Hugo Chavez have a television show in this country?
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
f*ck no. Not on any basic cable channels at least. He makes the news occasionally. However, he might be featured more prominently on a south american network which one could watch with a satellite.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:20 pmf*ck no. Not on any basic cable channels at least. He makes the news occasionally. However, he might be featured more prominently on a south american network which one could watch with a satellite.
Comment by Mr. President
Then what is the point in #339 & #340?
May 28th, 2007 at 7:29 pmComment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
I don’t know about 339, something about Chavez censoring what’s on in Venezuela.
As for my post, I noticed (what I perceived as) the cheap shot that Cap. Mantastic (porn name) used in post 339. My comment was “Zing!” according to my jacka$$ code of efficks. But I wasn’t saying the US doesn’t censor shit on TV, because we certainly do.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:45 pmM’kay…
Whatever you do, please stick to your “efficks,” Mr P. :D
May 28th, 2007 at 7:54 pmI was making the point that progressives are more likely to shut down free speech. i.e. Democrats refusing to debate on Fox and activists shutting down conservative speakers on college campus. Hugo Chavez came here an claimed Bush was the devil, then he was entertained by some democrat (I forget which one). Patrick Kennedy sings Hugo’s praises for all the free gas. Hugo seems progressive enough (steal from the rich to give to the poor). But, if his brand of ideology is so sound, why does he have to shut down opposition television? It is just another example of progressives shutting down the views of those who disagree with them.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:58 pmumm… when in the last 100 years has a nation of Christian fundys attacked another nation in the name of the Word, or Christ, or some other article of faith?
Comment by Mr. President — May 28, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
The Christian Nazis!!! Boy are you stupid!!!
May 28th, 2007 at 7:58 pmThe Christian Nazis!!! Boy are you stupid!!!
Comment by dixie blood — May 28, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
Actually, Hitler tried to erase Xtianity. He told priests to put his picture above the cross. Part of totalitarianism is having control of ever aspect of the people’s lives, even religion. The Nazi movement was about the “nation” hence National Socialist… shall I go on, or do you get the point?
May 28th, 2007 at 8:03 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
Ok, I’m on my way out of here for a while, but this point — if the Dems refuse to debate on Fox, they are shutting down their OWN free speech. They are allowed to do so.
Chavez called Bush the devil, and then someone entertained him. So? How is that shutting down free speech?
I don’t claim any knowledge about Chavez’ free gas. Heh.
If Chavez shuts down opposition television, that’s on HIM — in a whole different country.
Hugo Chavez is not a progressive.
“Conservative” does not equal everyone on the right; just as “progressive” does not equal everyone on the left.
Here is a link to information about Progressivism — it couldn’t hurt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
May 28th, 2007 at 8:08 pmThe Christian Nazis!!! Boy are you stupid!!!
Comment by dixie blood — May 28, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
I guess they didn’t post my shit… anyways, the nazis weren’t xtian. H!tl3r was against the cherch.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:12 pmIn 2005 President Chávez initiated a program to provide cheaper heating fuel for low income families in several areas of the United States.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:19 pmChávez again won the OAS and Carter Centre certified national election on December 3, 2006 with 63 percent of the vote,[89] beating his closest challenger Manuel Rosales who conceded his loss on December 4, 2006.[90] After his victory, Chávez promised a more radical turn towards socialism.[91]
May 28th, 2007 at 8:21 pmComment by dixie blood — May 28, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
nah, he was a n@tionalist, jew hatin’ piece of shit. he also tried to do away with xtianity but he soon learned that that would not be a good idea. look it up.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:23 pmSocialism
Some progressives believed that privately owned companies could never be made to serve the public interest. Therefore, the federal government should acquire ownership of large corporations and operate them for the public interest.
from wikipedia
May 28th, 2007 at 8:26 pmIn 2005 President Chávez initiated a program to provide cheaper heating fuel for low income families in several areas of the United States.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 28, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
Helping the poor is a good thing. It’s Christian. But, it’s not free market capitalism.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:27 pmComment by Mr. President — May 28, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
Hitler used Christianity to gain power. Why do you think that the Catholic Church has had to deal with turning their backs on the Jews during WWII in recent time? Christianity!!!
So what religion was Hitler, if, you know so much???
May 28th, 2007 at 8:35 pmSo what religion was Hitler, if, you know so much???
Comment by dixie blood — May 28, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Hitler was a straight up shiteater. The Pope was a pu$$y so he didn’t stand up to the N@zis, that’s why Xtians have to apologize. Hitler himself may have been a protestant or a catholic, but that is not what his war was about.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:43 pmdixie blood. did you read “Hitler’s Pope”?
May 28th, 2007 at 8:45 pm‘matter of fact, Hitler’s whole thing was “the aryan race”. He tried to make up some fake history about the master race. Also the “SS” logo is actually ancient pagan “runes”, and they were certainly not part of the xtian program
May 28th, 2007 at 8:48 pmComment by Mr. President — May 28, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
Hitler was an extreme nationalist and used his christian based platform for protecting the “Father Land” as a call to arms. Protecting the “Father Land” was equated with being not a Jew! Same sh!t, different words. All of it built on Christian words, beliefs, gullibility, ignorance, etc.!!!
May 28th, 2007 at 8:52 pmMany Christians risked their lives and the lives of their families to Hide Jews from the Nazis. I can’t say they did this BECAUSE they were Christians, but if they did…then that’s a reason to not paint all of Christianity with the same Brush.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:54 pmComment by Badger — May 28, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
This is true. However, this came near the end of Hitler’s reign. At this point, most Germans felt betrayed regardless of religion and Christians then decided to stand up against Hitler, to do the right thing.
I hope you see the parrallel in this country today…
May 28th, 2007 at 9:00 pmIn my understanding, the jews were always persecuted under the Nazis, but the final solution didn’t get genocidal until nearer the end of the war. I do see a parallel with today, in that if the wheels come off this Iraq policy, the American people will hold BUSH responsible, and justifiably so.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:09 pm#194
“Progressives do not have problems with people expressing other viewpoints, and we are not intolerant.”
For someone who just got out of college you must have been some kinda hermit on campus.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:12 pmThe parallel with today is that right-wing Christianistas in this country are hard cord, one party nationalists just like the brown shirts and Nazi party members of yesterday. Their unthinking, unblinking, moronic party of today, with Christian side dishes, is the Repugniscum party and all of it’s worthless, enemy-of-the-state members!!!
May 28th, 2007 at 9:19 pmThe right-wing Christians in this country are being duped just like Hitler did to his sheeple!!
May 28th, 2007 at 9:24 pmThe new Nazis and enemies within are the neo-con christianistas. They (Robertson, Kennedy, Dobson, et.al) are fighting to bring about a theocracy in this country.
THEOCRACRY DEMOCRACY!!
We must fight them to save a democracy built on The Age of Enlightenment!!! Reason and tolerance must prevail or democracy dies.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:35 pmTracy is a name for a female, so I assumed you are a female. Your posts are not particularly masculine, so are you a Log Cabin Republican guy who likes to cross dress?
May 28th, 2007 at 11:34 pmZooey > TP must have made an agreement with the GOP to allow trolls on here for some reason, because they are never censored or deleted.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 27, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
Wow, even TP is against ya now? That’s quite a conspiracy theory ya got working there, bud.
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“The parallel with today is that right-wing Christianistas in this country are hard cord, one party nationalists just like the brown shirts and Nazi party members of yesterday.”
Comment by dixie blood — May 28, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
Dang it, Dix, where were ya with this info all those times my Christian friends and I voted mixed tickets? Is someone gonna come after us for not voting one party?
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Progressives do not have problems with people expressing other viewpoints, and we are not intolerant.
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 11:14 am
ROTFLMAO….another good one, zoo. You are on a roll today!
May 28th, 2007 at 11:41 pmupright left > do you use other screen-names on TP threads? Those who use multi name postings on here are certified GOPer trolls.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:45 pmupright left > do you use other screen-names on TP threads? Those who use multi name postings on here are certified GOPer trolls.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 28, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
Nope, Randall. I’m just good ol’ upright left. And while I’m conservative, I’m not a definite GOPer.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:01 amROTFLMAO….another good one, zoo. You are on a roll today!
Comment by upright left
As usual, you contribute nothing — “Christian.”
May 29th, 2007 at 12:07 amAs usual, you contribute nothing — “Christian.â€
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 12:07 am
Well, zooey, I think it’s better to contribute nothing than to contribute such drivel as:
“Progressives do not have problems with people expressing other viewpoints, and we are not intolerant.”
But I do appreciate your addressing me with respect. That was most kind of you. ;)
May 29th, 2007 at 12:24 amAll of it built on Christian words, beliefs, gullibility, ignorance, etc.!!!
Comment by dixie blood — May 28, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
Actually, none of it was built on Christian words, etc. etc. Hitler played the people and twisted the meanings of many things for his own propaganda. Such as the “aryan/arian race”, Hitler claimed that these people had blonde hair and blue eyes, while in reality the aryans were the original peoples of the Indo-Iranian area. Most likely the had the characteristics of modern day middle-easterns. Hitler was against the church, because he wanted everyone to worship him.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:26 am#368
“Tracy is a name for a female…”
Check the origins of the name.
“, so I assumed you are a female.”
More ignorance on your part. You have been posting here for a while so I can only conclude two things, either which wouldn’t suprise me. One, you haven’t been paying attention to my past posts or two you were just being ass.
“Your posts are not particularly masculine….”
How do you figure? Would it make you feel better if I were to call you a little prick that I would be glad to kick the shit out of…easily?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:37 amTracy > lol you chose your screen-name, so you have caused your problem on here. Chill-out before you blow a fuse dude. I assumed you were female and yes I usually ignore your posts. All GOPer males talk big about beating people up, but most are wussies like yourself.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:57 amChange your screen-name to Mr. Tracy > leaves no doubt you are male.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:15 amHow many instances has there been where a fundamentalist Christian group has gone off an blew up a bunch of civilians or gunned them down?
Comment by Tracy —
How many gynecology/obstetrics clinics that also happen to perform abortions have been bombed or nearly bombed by Christian fundamentalists? How many gynecologists and obstetricians willing to perform abortions, too, have been shot by Christian fundamentalists? I understand that there even is–or was–a website listing names and addresses of so-called “abortion doctors” for the Christian Taliban interested in taking them down. Maybe not as scary to most Americans as Al Qaeda, but certainly very dangerous to certain doctors and the people who use or work at their clinics.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:00 amI think Tracy, Jake and Captain Mantastic (still doesn’t realize he’s identified himself as a nancy-boy) are the same person.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:10 amProgressives are more likely to shutdown debate? That’s bull.
WE’RE ALL JUST SICK TO DEATH OF BEING LIED TO ABOUT EVERYTHING by the current bunch of thieves running our government. The lies are everywhere–they even lie about things that they don’t need to lie about, and frankly, I’m THROUGH being insulted over and over. This is an assault and the entire world, at this point, has been dragged into it.
I’m still itching to see KARMA catch up with them all. And I’m not talking about the slew of little problems that keep cropping up for Bush et al–I mean REAL, SUBSTANTIAL KARMA.
TO: director@dhs.alabama.gov
CC: hcc@hsvchamber.org; jcoleman@birminghamchamber.com; chamber@dbtech.net; macoc@montgomerychamber.com; info@alagulfcoastchamber.com; mberson@gulftel.com;
info@mobilechamber.com
Director Walker:
I appreciate the fact that you will no longer identify groups you are amassing governmental resources to quash because they disagree with your politics.
But since you failed to disavow actaully persecuting these groups — just promised not to publicly claim to do so on the web site — you can bet that I’ll never be visiting or spending one lousy “terrorist” nickel in Alabama.
You are a disgrace to America. I hope these Chambers of Commerce take appropriate action to remedy this egregious misuse of power. You certainly don’t belong in any position of governmental authority.
Sincerely,
PS – You’d think that a Director of Alabama Homeland Security would know this, but evidently he doesn’t. For your information, Eric Robert Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, and James Kopp were Christian activists. Do you even know who they are, Director Walker? Why didn’t being a Christian show up on your terrorist list? Perhaps because they murdered innocent people you disagree with in the name of Jesus, they get a pass in Jim Walker’s Alabama.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:02 amChristian Fundamentalists are cut from the same cloth as Jihadists. I see no difference other than one group worships Allah and the other worships Jesus. Christian fundamentalists have committed more acts of terrorism here on US soil than ANY other group of people in America. ( Randall, McVeigh)
Neither of these factions represent the Christian or Muslim populations as a whole. The vast majority of Christians AND Muslims are peace loving and nonviolent.
The Jesus campers are no different than the Jihadists, both are indoctrinating their children with ideals of hate and superiority in the name of their God. They are liars and incompetent and uneducated, they have gotten their “schooling” from the Bible! They are trying to sell Creationism. You have to be dumb as a rock to believe humans were alive in the time of dinosaurs. Believing in Evolution(or scientific, provable truth) does not mean one can not believe in God or have faith at all. They do a disservice to the God they claim to honor and also to the entire world in tossing aside science and trying to force their fantasy history on their children and on our children in public schools.
We have plenty of home grown terrorists, they vast majority of whom claim to be Christians. If there is a God he is varily disappointed in this portion of his flock. They have perverted Christianity and warped it to suit their own narrow racist fundamentalist view.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:45 amJesus weeps. If the fairy tale they believe in came true and he actually DID return, he would be slaughtered by the very Christians believers who claim to believe in his teachings in a heartbeat, first because he looks exactly like a middle easterner ( since he was) so their vile racism and bigotry towards brown skinned people would prevail but they would also persecute Him for being a “liberal” hippie; long hair, sandals…
I see our true enemy as fundie Christians who are attempting to position themselves in our government so they can take it over and shove their ideals on all Americans. They have even managed to infiltrate our govt. and we have over 150 of these incompetent Regent grads embedded in the Justice dept. no less. That is frightening indeed. The threat from Muslim fundies is real, but not nearly as bad as the Christian fundies as there is too much racism to allow fundie Muslims in our govt. where they could do real harm. The Christian fundies blend right in so they have gotten away with it. Monica Goodling and others like her are the REAL threat to America. She claims to be a Christian and sat in front of Congress and lied through her teeth. Scum, pure scum.
Dang it, Dix, where were ya with this info all those times my Christian friends and I voted mixed tickets? Is someone gonna come after us for not voting one party?
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Comment by upright left — May 28, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
Did you actually understand my post? It was about 1 party voters; not mixed ticket voters as you claim it to be. There is a HUGE distinction between mainstream denominationlists and the reich-wing Christianistas that are trying to over throw our democracry and form and intollerant Chistianista theocracy!!!
May 30th, 2007 at 7:34 pm#387
“How many gynecology/obstetrics clinics that also happen to perform abortions have been bombed or nearly bombed by Christian fundamentalists?”
Very few.
“How many gynecologists and obstetricians willing to perform abortions, too, have been shot by Christian fundamentalists?”
Very, very, few.
“Maybe not as scary to most Americans as Al Qaeda, but certainly very dangerous to certain doctors and the people who use or work at their clinics.”
Yes, but they have a better chance of being in victim of another al Qaeda attack here in the U.S. that being attacked by one of those Christian fundementalist wackos.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:08 pm#390
“I see no difference other than one group worships Allah and the other worships Jesus.”
If you would actually read the New Testament and the Koran I challange you to find anything in the New Testament that even slightly resembles the way the Islamic fundementalists like bin Laden use Jihad.
“Christian fundamentalists have committed more acts of terrorism here on US soil than ANY other group of people in America.”
“If there is a God he is varily disappointed in this portion of his flock. They have perverted Christianity and warped it to suit their own narrow racist fundamentalist view.”
They aren’t true Christians just as the Islamic fundementalist aren’t followers of true Islam.
“You have to be dumb as a rock to believe humans were alive in the time of dinosaurs.”
I totally agree. I think that the seven days of creation weren’t days at all….more like seperate periods of millions of years.
“…first because he looks exactly like a middle easterner”
What make you think he would come back as he looked back in 33 A.D.?
“I see our true enemy as fundie Christians who are attempting to position themselves in our government so they can take it over and shove their ideals on all Americans”
I see the true enemy as secular Athiests who want to destroy every thing the U.S. Constitution was founded on.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:26 pm