Kristol: Bush ‘Was Furious’ Over NYT Report Of 2008 Withdrawal
Kristol: Bush ‘Was Furious’ Over NYT Report Of 2008 Withdrawal
The New York Times reported this weekend that the Bush administration is developing “concepts for reducing American combat forces in Iraq by as much as half next year, according to senior administration officials in the midst of the internal debate.” The White House immediately tried to tamp down the story.
If there was ever any lingering doubt about whether the White House might finally be considering a redeployment, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol put those hopes to bed this morning on Fox News. He revealed that Bush is “furious” over the NYT report and that the White House is aggressively pushing back on the story over the Memorial Day weekend. Kristol said:
The president apparently was furious about the New York Times article Saturday. One senior White House official went out of his way to call me Saturday and left me a voicemail saying that. So, since they don’t normally do that on Saturdays, I think maybe it’s even true.
Watch it:
The NYT report is just the latest example in a recurring pattern of media reports that have given false hope of an imminent drawdown. As Glenn Greenwald notes, “For four straight years, the same set of war supporters have constantly and repetitiously given the same exact false assurances about Iraq — virtually verbatim — in order to protect themselves politically.” And the press bites at the story every time.
Transcript:
KRISTOL: I think the leak to the New York Times Saturday was a leak by one faction in the administration.
WALLACE: Why don’t you explain what the leak was.
KRISTOL: That the president is going to move towards a withdrawal at maybe the end of 2007.
WALLACE: That was one of the contingencies discussed.
KRISTOL: Which the New York Times said has not been discussed with General Petraeus and General Odierno, who are running the war. It’s irresponsible for people in the State Department, the Defense Department or the White House to be leaking this stuff which they have no idea whether it’s practical. The president apparently was furious about the New York Times article Saturday. One senior White House official went out of his way to call me Saturday and left me a voicemail saying that. So, since they don’t normally do that on Saturdays, I think maybe it’s even true. They certainly want the impression to be the president was furious.
Look, there’s a fight in the administration about how much they need to look as if they sort of are laying the predicate for getting out — ultimately, everyone wants to withdraw troops and plans to. Petraeus and Odierno assume that if they can sustain the surge through the beginning of 2008, at that point, maybe there will be enough Iraqi forces that we can begin to drawdown. The idea that you help yourself now by talking about drawing down, that was the mistake that the President and Secretary Rumsfeld made for the first three years. It’s the last thing they want to do now. The task for the next three months is for the president to get control over his own administration in terms of the message, let Petraeus and Odierno fight the war. Make the case for why we can’t afford to lose and why we can win and stop this internal leaking and signalling which they may — some of the people may think helps them politically, but i think it hurts.
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And then Kristol swoops down to assure the base. The 28 percenters.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:18 amis it me, or does this thing always have the same look on it’s face? I don’t recall ever seeing anything where it doesn’t look extremely self satisfied to be telling something it thinks important.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:19 amit is as welcome as a cockroach, except on fox, where it is considered a delicacy.
It’s like the opposite of “leak a story/quote the story” that BushCo does so well.
Only it’s “Leak a story/ Deny the story”.
History will take care of this blatant practice duplicity.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:21 amMore political theater from the architects of the PNAC.
There is no motive for Chimpy to pull the troops out, and plenty of motive to leave them there.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:26 amIt’s hard to figure out what’s true and what’s disinformation anymore.
Somehow, I think that’s the point of it all.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:28 amWhy is Kristol even allowed to continue spewing his crap on FOX news? Bill is a criminal Neocon who should either be imprisoned or deported to Israel.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:28 amNot a problem. Let’s wait another Friedman unit or two.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:30 amThe fact that Bush is furious about the leak doesn’t mean that the leak is inaccurate.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:32 amThanks for the transcript. There’s no way I’m clicking on the video to watch that smug little mollusc spread his slime trail, even though he gets phone calls from White House cronies and I don’t. On a Saturday, even.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:34 amRep. Jim McDermott, D-WA, blasted Bush and Cheney on the Iraq fiasco. Like Rep. Kucinich he told his fellow Congressional membership that Iraq debacle is about the OIL only. Here is a link to what he said:
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/52388
May 27th, 2007 at 10:40 amHere’s a nice one to read while feasting on a Burger King double-fatty breakfast:
“Ahmadinejad and Khameini want to destroy our way of life”
http://www.jewcy.com/ dialogue/ 2007-05-21/ bomb_iran_freund_2
SHOCK! HORROR! Ok, it’s worth a laugh…
May 27th, 2007 at 10:45 am#8 -Plural
Agree, Bush might be mad about publishing the story, but not the story itself.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:46 amAfter accusing others all these years of ‘Cut & Run’…Bush does not like people to hear that he himself is cutting fast…
Bill Kristol: always wrong, always smug, always on Faux Noise.
I don’t give rat’s ass what this guy has to say about anything.
Bush is never leaving Iraq, period.
The Democrats need to get away from the concept that defunding the war is “not supporting the troops”. That is pure BS and yet they keep falling for it.
This government cannot be trusted about anything. A restoration of confidence in the function and competence of government needs to be the political focus going forward.
The grown-ups need to start running things again.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:47 amPeople they are staging the next invasion. Iran is clearly NEXT!
May 27th, 2007 at 10:51 amNice to see Think Progress taking on the MSM for repeatedly playing the political tune that the Bushies (and others) want them to play. You know how we will know that US troops are being withdrawn?
When they start leaving.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:52 amBush will never pull the troops out of Iraq as long as he is president, so that means the killing continues till January 20, 2009 when Bush departs. And unfortunately the next president most likely will keep troops in Iraq, because the “Military Industrial Complex” profiteers want the fiasco conflict to continue for another 20+ years. Iraq is all about profits & OIL.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:58 amOne senior White House official = Rove.
They’re all good buddies.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:59 amKristol is in the Cheney faction. Not an outside observer at all. Big grain of salt.
May 27th, 2007 at 10:59 am“The fact that Bush is furious about the leak doesn’t mean that the leak is inaccurate.
Comment by plural — May 27, 2007 @ 10:32 am”
That was my first thought… That Bush is furious about the leak, not the news story (which I’m guessing was an attempt to placate us, who he knows are his real foes because we’re the reason the Average American no longer supports him and his illegal war, we caused teh changes in 2006, and we are the pressure on the MSM).
All I can say is, keep up the criticism and skepticism everyone, keep signing those petitions, emailing your friends and family with the truth, not being afraid to call out the Bush loyalists spouting propaganda at work, writing your “Representatives”, emailing editors and journalists, protesting, etc. It’s working. And I think they know it.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:00 amWhy do the 28% of brave listeners and viewers, yes I do consider them brave, for to watch Billy boy is truely a dangerous undertaking.
One might easily die of boredom or be overtaken, even the kindest of souls, by violent manifestations of unrepressible hostility toward this pompous self-satisfied know-it-all.
Who does he represent? What public office did he gain by popular acclaim or “vote?” Must we be inundated by the drivel of these neocons who have given ample proof by their acts of their undisputed incompetence?
Enough, Basta!
May 27th, 2007 at 11:00 am“You know how we will know that US troops are being withdrawn?
When they start leaving.
Comment by Kiacyclic — May 27, 2007 @ 10:52 am”
Exactly! Actions, not words are where the truth lies. Because, lately, there have been troop escalations - the exact opposite. Lying bastards…
May 27th, 2007 at 11:02 am“Who does he represent?
Comment by Druthers — May 27, 2007 @ 11:00 am”
I passed a gas-guzzler last week (I live in Georgia). The bumperstickers were a Bush/Cheney 2004, Anti-abortion, yellow-ribbon war supporter, Rebel flag, NRA, and a Jesus fish. To answer your question - these people.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:06 amI just had to change my handle today- for now on, I’m NeoCONS ‘R’ SCUM.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:06 amWhy? Because NeoCONS are educated idiot- chickenhawk, lying, stupid, SCUM.
Would that be the same “senior WH official” that calls Kristol every week with the latest propaganda and disinformation?
The WH trots out the toothless mare of “we’ll withdraw thousands within six months” every time its poll numbers look too low. It hasn’t meant it any other time, either. But what better way to look like it means it this time than to be “furious” that news “leaked”. That’s about as honest as saying that Mr. Cheney respects the law.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:07 amThe GOP lies about EVERYTHING…Kristol sucks elephant d*ck.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:11 ami still find it very hard to understand exactly why anyone is getting away with that “support the troops” rationale.
the US military is the best funded military in the world. the pentagon never runs out of money. even if the money “isn’t there” the military spends it. never seemed to bother them before.
aside from the fact that i’m totally convinced that the majority of americans, whether they support the war or not, would move the entire earth to bring soldiers home should it be necessary.
if the brits could do it at dunkirk i’ve no doubt the only remaining superpower (for the time being) would do it now if it were necessary.
am i missing some profound reasons or am i just naive?
May 27th, 2007 at 11:11 amunbelievable > LOL those Georgians tend to be in the rural areas, so I hardly ever see cars with Bush support stickers on them around Atlanta.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:12 amBait and remain is the game of choice. Any young person that signs up in the Guard or the military, under this lying regime, should listen to the recruitment lies, and expect the opposite. Bill Kristol has already earned his throne in hell.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:13 amSo, what will happen on the 40th anniversary of the Six Day War? Anniversaries are important. The Civil Rights movement coincided with the 100th anniversary of the Civil War and the Emancipation Proclamation. The Six Day War never ended. The Israeli settlements in the West Bank were known to be illegal from the outset. Iraq has only been a distraction from finding a peaceful solution. Iran will be another distraction.
The silly “dialogue” about Iran wanting to destroy us all is part of the problem. The hawks keep quoting Iranians out of context and never quote the peaceful overtures made over the past 25 years. And certainly ignores all aggressive acts by Israel.
Iran is not a threat to the USA. That Iran is no longer a puppet state of the USA is true; but you should get over that. Welcome to the New World Order where America is just First Among Equals. Iran is a threat to Israel, but so is Israel a threat to Iran. It’s called deterrence and it’s about time we had some balance to Middle East politics. It’s time we got realistic: Israel is not on the side of the Angels and Iran is not on the side of the Devils. It’s time we used political economics as our guide and not Holy Scripture.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:14 amAnd we should believe anything this TOOL says because … ?
May 27th, 2007 at 11:15 amZero credibility, folks, ZERO.
Is “one more shot” Kristol even relevant? When is the last time this guy said anything factual or truthful? He’s a pathetic hanger-on, a liar, and a traitor to this country’s values.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:16 amI wonder why this fool keep’s ending up here…Is there no better face or better speaker’s to comment on….Sick of seeing the o’lilie’s,kristol’s, coulter’s and all their tripe over and over again….Clearly even here we are being led….Not me, I’m outta here..
May 27th, 2007 at 11:18 am“LOL those Georgians tend to be in the rural areas, so I hardly ever see cars with Bush support stickers on them around Atlanta.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 27, 2007 @ 11:12 am”
Jay, I only live about 20 miles east of you…
I see fewer and fewer of them around here, but the ones who exist are unwilling to support anyone who isn’t a misogynistic, war-mongering, Jesus-loving Republican because they think all liberals are eeeevil… Ridiculous.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:21 amOh please! Let Chimpy has his little tamtrum.
Kristol is a f*cking idiot!
May 27th, 2007 at 11:23 am“It’s time we used political economics as our guide and not Holy Scripture.
Comment by david — May 27, 2007 @ 11:14 am”
Glad you finally get it…
May 27th, 2007 at 11:23 amI see fewer and fewer of them around here, but the ones who exist are unwilling to support anyone who isn’t a misogynistic, war-mongering, Jesus-loving Republican because they think all liberals are eeeevil… Ridiculous.
I live just outside the San Antonio metro area. Believe me, the same description you just made applies here as well!
May 27th, 2007 at 11:26 amHow is that Project for the New American Century going for you,
May 27th, 2007 at 11:26 amFascistA$$holeWarmongerCriminalKristol?“tantrum”, not tamtrum.
*reaches for another cup of strong coffee…!*
May 27th, 2007 at 11:27 amJaun Williams sure had Bloodhound Face Britney whining by the end of the show! I thought Britney was going to explode as Juan continued to rake him overthe coals!
May 27th, 2007 at 11:29 amI live just outside the San Antonio metro area. Believe me, the same description you just made applies here as well!
Comment by Lee
I’m in Austin, Texas.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:34 amThe oasis of progressive thought in the Texas desert of neocon tyranical madness. =P
#37 - Wayne your mastery of the ascii arts is incredible.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:35 amI live west of Marietta in Cobb County,and I rarely see anymore stickers for Bush/Cheney,W etc!
May 27th, 2007 at 11:37 amI wonder if this area is still a hotbed for Newt Supporters,even though he was caught dorking a Hill Intern ,while blasting Clinton daily for the same thing,during the Impeachment ?
Are there any Newtie or Bushies fans still living in Cobb County? I would like to know how you can still of support those two losers ?
Forget Gonzales. The Congress as a whole should be taking a no-confidence vote on Bush/Cheney. Preferably last week.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:38 am(28%)
> I passed a gas-guzzler last week (I live in Georgia). The bumperstickers were a
> Bush/Cheney 2004, Anti-abortion, yellow-ribbon war supporter, Rebel flag, NRA,
> and a Jesus fish. To answer your question - these people.
Might it be these people (ok, so this is not ‘as seen from the prog’s side):
http://www.lewrockwell.com/ rockwell/ red-state-fascism.html
May 27th, 2007 at 11:40 amWow, I’m in Wimberley. Hill Country well represented here! Maybe there is hope.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:40 am“The fact that Bush is furious about the leak doesn’t mean that the leak is inaccurate.
Comment by plural — May 27, 2007 @ 10:32 amâ€
Because they say Bush is furious doesn’t mean he is furious about the leak which probably was a planted story which could be accurate or inaccurate. Nothing they say can be believed one iota. They plant stories to quote or deny, whatever the political whim of the moment may be.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:45 am#37 - Wayne your mastery of the ascii arts is incredible.
Comment by Vato
thanks =)
Nice blog from your link.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:48 amPerhaps Bush is realizing he is destroying the near future of his beloved Repugnicant party.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:49 amNahhh.
Wow, I’m in Wimberley. Hill Country well represented here! Maybe there is hope.
Comment by Candyce
Small world. I went to visit the Wimberley Glassworks a couple weeks ago. Love watching them work the glass.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:55 amSo basically, all Kristol is doing is passing along gossip.
There’s a story about a withdrawal, and the King is furious. It’s a bone, that’s all.
May 27th, 2007 at 11:56 am“I live just outside the San Antonio metro area. Believe me, the same description you just made applies here as well!
Comment by Lee — May 27, 2007 @ 11:26 am”
No doubt :) The Bible-belt and Central-Midwest are his strong holds.
I lived in California for a while. It was the exact opposite - Kerry/Edwards 2004, animal-rights, pro-choice, anti-war, pro-education, Darwin fish. I miss that…
May 27th, 2007 at 11:58 am“Are there any Newtie or Bushies fans still living in Cobb County? I would like to know how you can still of support those two losers ?
Comment by Bobby Hill — May 27, 2007 @ 11:37 am”
Try Kennesaw… LOL :)
May 27th, 2007 at 12:01 pm“Love watching them work the glass.
Comment by Wayne — May 27, 2007 @ 11:55 am”
Me too. I’ve tried it. Talk about hard to do! Gives me even more love for Chihuly’s art.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:04 pmKristol is pimping for the WH. This is a ploy to upset the 28% who think bush is a human being. If bush is upset, then it must be that the “bad guys” did something wrong and we really hate them now!
Cheney/rove/bush will not leave Iraq before 2009. . . . The Iraq puppets need the USA $$$$$$ so they will never ask us to leave. End of story.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:04 pmWho does he represent? […]
Comment by Druthers — May 27, 2007 @ 11:00 am
well, that one’s easy…
you’ve heard a lot about the very wealthy, that top 1% (or whatever)…
THOSE are the people who are part of the (inflated figure of) 28%…
maybe even the MAJORITY of the bushies… even the religious sheeple are not the biggest part of that group…
May 27th, 2007 at 12:06 pmi think it’s the wealthy, and the greedy…
…
“Might it be these people (ok, so this is not ‘as seen from the prog’s side):
Comment by El Tonno — May 27, 2007 @ 11:40 am”
Oh yeah.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:07 pmWow, I’m in Wimberley. Hill Country well represented here! Maybe there is hope.
Comment by Candyce
Small world. I went to visit the Wimberley Glassworks a couple weeks ago. Love watching them work the glass.
Comment by Wayne — May 27, 2007 @ 11:55 am
i, regretfully, more now, turned down a trip to austin this week, delivering a new pickup truck to a sibling, and a flight back home… just too worn out from the past weeks… maybe i can still change my mind…
but there is something else to add to my list of “must sees” when next i’m visiting austin…
big family day ahead… memorial day / graduation celebrations…
May 27th, 2007 at 12:22 pmbut it’s grey and cloudy here in s.central illinois… rain likely… oh well…
have a good day, all…
…
I’d say that this leak is correct.
Next year during the lead up to the November elections, I figured the Bush administration would decrease the number of troops doing sweeps through Iraqi towns and neighborhoods and draw them back to the fortified, permanent bases in an attempt to decrease the number of U.S. troop casualties.
Fewer patrols would mean they’d need fewer troops. Fewer troops mean fewer casulaties. Fewer casualties, at least among our soldiers, would mean less negative news before next year’s elections. It’s all about the election next year, baby. And Bush, Cheney and the neo-con gang could care less about the Iraqi people. The neo-cons will keep just enough troop presence next year inside Iraq to keep an eye on the oil.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:27 pmWho does he represent? […]
Comment by Druthers — May 27, 2007 @ 11:00 am
well, that one’s easy…
Lockheed Martin,Boeing,Raytheon,General Dynamics,Northrop Grumman,United Technologies,TRW,General Electric,SAIC,Honeywell,….
May 27th, 2007 at 12:27 pmJPV above has it exactly right.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:32 pmbut there is something else to add to my list of “must sees†when next i’m visiting austin…
Comment by katy
No visit to Austin is complete without at least driving by Hippie Hollow.
/disclaimer: It is at least an R-rated tour, taking the kids is not suggested.
LOL
May 27th, 2007 at 12:33 pmA rogue president, all we need now is for him to declare himself president in perpetuity.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:37 pm“I think maybe it’s even true”… Is Kristol so used to deception and people putting things in the president’s mouth that he needs to exercise such extreme skepticism? Or does he just know it’s a lie and the rumor aspect is to give it a sheen of veracity?
May 27th, 2007 at 1:02 pmHey, all you folk from Georgia . I’m glad to hear the tide is turning down there. I live near DC now, but grew up near Rome. It’s nice to know people near my hometown are beginning to open their eyes. They certainly are up this way. Just after 9/11, it was difficult to admit you were Democrat around here. I kept trying to tell people this crowd in charge was a bunch of criminals — and I even sent them online articles to prove it. Many wouldn’t read them. So now, I sit back and smile to myself as the scales crumble from these people’s eyes.
Last year, I coordinated a cookbook for my local Dem. committee of the recipes of prominent Democrats from across the country. We had nearly 100 prominent contributors. We also included the Bill of Rights and commentary. I gave each of my family members down South (most are Republicans) a copy for Christmas. You should have see the looks on their faces.
May 27th, 2007 at 1:06 pmunfortunately i’m in the fort worth area…i don’t dare put anything on my cars that is remotely critical of the troglodyte in the whitehouse or his masters.
graduated from UT though…does that count? LOL
May 27th, 2007 at 1:08 pmGeneral Tommy Franks (Retired) in the middle of a war??
General John Abizaid (Retired) in the middle of a war??
How does that happen people? The General catches a war and then retires in the middle of action. I was under the impression that these people live for this stuff. If I’m a general and catch a war I’m staying till the end or till I die. So how do we explain that?
Always remember and never forget…
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.
DR
May 27th, 2007 at 1:13 pmHi Pol,
The state is still very red, but as the boundaries of Metro-Atlanta expand, the towns and cities in their embrace are actually starting to criticize the President. They will still vote Republican (they re-elected them in November 2006 when everone else was kicking them out), but the guys getting the nomination are less conservative than in the past. The Govenor is a former Democrat…
I plan to move to Seattle or Amsterdam or somewhere very liberal next. Right now I’m just enjoying educating the children of these people with a very liberal approach of tolerance, reason and free thought :D
May 27th, 2007 at 1:14 pmpoor whiny bill kristol, even TIME magazine dumped his ass from writing editorials. perhaps they tired of having him submit different variations of the same tired tune. regardless, ole billy must be bent with the entire associated press since the story was carried in the local newspaper here in southeastern connecticut. why do these neocon filth hate freedom of the press?
May 27th, 2007 at 1:26 pmthe sleaze just drips out of his mouth! you can see it clearly if you play the video backwards.
might be a glimmer of realization on his part that he is irrelevant to news gathering and is now simply a squeaky little bullhorn for cheney. If you thought he was capable of self-reflection you might also think he would be pissed about that fact.
but alas, he is an “insider” and thinks everyone else is just jealous that he gets phone calls from the oval office.
it has degraded to a war between factions and that’s just in the “white” house!
if this “war” continues, hope R’s keep sending their kids to die, because no one else will.
May 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pmKristol is mindf*cking us. Nothing he says should be taken at face value.
May 27th, 2007 at 1:35 pmI plan to move to Seattle or Amsterdam or somewhere very liberal next. Right now I’m just enjoying educating the children of these people with a very liberal approach of tolerance, reason and free thought :D
Comment by unbelievable
Just don’t move to Portland. We have enough people now, thanks very much. Seattle has great beer, beautiful scenery and ridiculously high rents. You’re going to love it!
May 27th, 2007 at 1:57 pmIf you wonder about why any of this has happened, if you wonder what’s behind the cloud of nonsense, if you wonder what is going to happen next, just ask youself: “and then what happens to all that oil?”
May 27th, 2007 at 2:03 pmI don’t believe a single word Kristol says, never. Maybe Mr Bush is livid about the timing. I fully convinced, that some troop withdrawal will start beginning of next year and will reach it’s height around August. Maybe they don’t know yet how to spin it, which is akward, so they’ll deny.
What makes me livid is the sheer stupidity of the Democrats. They had Mr Bush by the round and hairies. He was the one who vetoed funding. Now he can arrange for bringing the troops home. And rest assured, the Rovians will play this part for all they’re worth.
May 27th, 2007 at 2:28 pmI just wonder how much kickback this “patriot” will glean from the
May 27th, 2007 at 3:38 pmcurrency generated, as a side effect from the new Iraq Petroleum
distribution laws the Americans are demanding. Nothing like a full
Swiss bank account to keep ones head firmly seated in NeoCon
policy. The Rape of Iraq has been about Oil Rights from day one.
Anyone that says otherwise is either a liar, or incredibly stupid,
probably both. Funny that this Saint didn’t mention Darfur in all
his concern for the spread of Democracy, Justice, and the American
Way. Such a weighty Cross to bear for humanity.
If there are any redeployment of any Troop units, it will be timed for maximum effect, to benefit whichever sock puppet gets the republican
Presidential nomination. Only to be redeployed back into Theater as
soon as the Election is over.
The Democrats caved on the Supplemental simply because only 2 or 3 republicans have the balls to do the right thing. Absolute no surprise there. 99% of the republicans will march in Goose Step, with the policy
currently in play, right off the edge of the political cliff. The vote last week proved beyond any doubt, that the Iraq war, is a republican war,
that will, and can, only end, if the republicans end it. No matter what
spin the Faux Propaganda Ministerium puts out there for the simple minded among us, the majority of the voters see through the hype.
Name one thing the PNAC and the neo-conservatives, who are members, have been right about (excluding the fact that Saddam was a bad man). These lying sobs have been wrong about everything they have opened their mouths about and they are still quoted on tv and this blog.
I knew Dubya was pissed because he is an untreated alcoholic and his pride and ego will never allow him to admit he was wrong or that he is going a different direction in Iraq. To him, renaming Stay the Course to a Surge is a new direction. It is time to intervene on this drunken AWOL Chimp.
May 27th, 2007 at 4:09 pmSo why should we believe Bill Kristol any more than we believe the lying neocons in the White House????? Who read the article to Bush????
Go to hell Bill.
May 27th, 2007 at 5:23 pmBush Makes Power Grab
May 24, 2007
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_107907.asp
President Bush, without so much as issuing a press statement, on May 9
signed a directive that granted near dictatorial powers to the office of
the president in the event of a national emergency declared by the
president.
The “National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive,”
with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security
Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential
Directive, establishes under the office of president a new National
Continuity Coordinator.
That job, as the document describes, is to make plans for “National
Essential Functions” of all federal, state, local, territorial, and
tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue
functioning under the president’s directives in the event of a national
emergency.
The directive loosely defines “catastrophic emergency” as “any incident,
regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass
casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S.
population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.”
When the President determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the
President can take over all government functions and direct all private
sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an
“enduring constitutional government.”
Translated into layman’s terms, when the President determines a national
emergency has occurred, the President can declare to the office of the
presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all
government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.
Ironically, the directive sees no contradiction in the assumption of
May 27th, 2007 at 6:21 pmdictatorial powers by the President with the goal of maintaining
constitutional continuity through an emergency.
Why does anyone pay any attention to Kreepy Kristol?
May 27th, 2007 at 6:26 pmThe only news it that Bush is thinking ahead.
Without a draft, this is simple math.
May 27th, 2007 at 6:59 pm#77 Comment by Orson Smith — May 27, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Thanks for the heads up on this one!
May 27th, 2007 at 7:09 pmBring the troops home NOW!!! Send Bush, Cheney, KKK Rove, Kristol, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Rumhead, Rice, Hastert, Frist, Rush Limpdick, Abrams, Trannie Coulter, Hannity, Savage, O’Leilly AND their families as replacements, and take the Reichwing trolls found here with them.
May 27th, 2007 at 7:11 pm#75 Comment by kasinca — May 27, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
You asked:
Name one thing the PNAC and the neo-conservatives, who are members, have been right about (excluding the fact that Saddam was a bad man).
OK, I’ll bite. So far, it appears that their neo-con “Plan A” is achieving everything they intended it would! Look at what they have accomplished since Bush took office.
*Invaded Iraq
*Built the biggest Embassy in the world
*Built 4 major air bases for permanent occupation
*Wrote the laws that Iraq is governed by today
*Provided their moneyed backers (Haliburton etc.) with huge benefits
*Have, waiting in the wings the oil companies who will have first dibs on Iraqi oil with no need to account to or share that with the Iraqi people.
*Created a base of operations in the Middle East from which to continue their overthrow of Iran and any other country that does not capitulate to our terms. Goal: complete control of the whole ME.
And over the last 30 years: Nationally:
*Created a political base that prior to 1978 did not exist. The evangelical christian right!
*Created, with billions of dollars, a bunch of think tanks that swamp anything the Progressives have. They churn out speakers and white papers in huge quantities effectively overwhelming the political discussion
*Successfully created a rubber stamp congress (with the help of the DLC and conservative Democrats)
*Created the Patriot Act (the neo-con version of the Rule of Law-Our Constitution be damned!)
*Successfully moved the SCOTUS closer to the neocon orbit and is instituting a major change in the Federal Court system with religious evangelical attorneys
*Brought about the consolidation and control of the Mainstream Media into about 5 major corporations
*Brought the DOJ to its knees and put it under the presidents control
*Installed an anti UN American ambassador, Bolton
*Installed a neo-con, Iraq invasion and occupation architect, as head of the World Bank, Wolfowitz
*Adopted a policy of pre-emptive strike
*Avoided FISA, essentially won the spying on us issue
*Pulled off all the lies about the reasons to invade Iraq
Need I go on with the unending list of things that they have been “right” about? That have actually happened that prove it?
And, now, finally, after 30 years of incompetence and grovelling (the DLC folks and the willfully ignorant Democrats) the voice of the people is beginning being heard. Thanks to the internet as an alternative to the utterly corrupt MSM, we have a chance to right the sinking ship of state before it sinks into a fascist dictatorship.
Look, kasinca, we think they are wrong, they don’t! And they have a lot of successes to show for it. They have spent 30 years developing this “Plan A” which is all inclusive of all the things we rail against today (finally), partially listed above. There is no Plan B! Their goal, Plan A, is empire and control, plain and simple. It is more than just oil and the money the oil giants will make.
May 27th, 2007 at 8:33 pmWould someone put down this foaming piece of shit already? Jesus Christ!
May 28th, 2007 at 9:11 amAd we should care what “liver-lips” says because …?
May 28th, 2007 at 9:23 amThat look on Kristol’s face is the creamy sneer of a man who keeps telling himself, “I can’t believe what I’m getting away with.”
May 28th, 2007 at 11:21 amWouldn’t it just be easier for the NYT to call Hamas, Hezbollah and AlQeada reps directly and not waste all that ink getting “the message” to our enemies?
May 28th, 2007 at 5:04 pmI always assume whatever comes from the White House, or Fox
News to be untrue. I find it has great predictive value.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:31 pmBecause they say Bush is furious doesn’t mean he is furious about the leak which probably was a planted story which could be accurate or inaccurate. Nothing they say can be believed one iota. They plant stories to quote or deny, whatever the political whim of the moment may be.
Make no mistake. Bush was absolutely furious about the leak.
Because what happened was a political dispute within his administration about propaganda, which is the only thing that matters at all in the Bush White House.
People outside the beltway make a grave mistake in thinking that it’s not important or that they don’t care about it, just because it’s not true.
They actually care MORE!
Bush doesn’t want anyone to get the idea that the troops are coming home, because then it becomes accepted that he will do it. Then, when he disappoints it’s a replay of the firing of Rumsfeld and the Baker Commission report, prior to the surge. There was endless speculation that he would accept the commission report including timelines and negotiations with Iran.
When he rejected that advice and instead opted for the escalation, then public pressure started to mount in a serious way against him and for pullout.
He doesn’t want the same thing to happen again.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:22 pm