3,452:
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3,452:
As of this Memorial Day, “at least 3,452 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003.” This morning on CBS News, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter Pace falsely claimed that the number of U.S. casualties in Iraq is just “approaching” the number of Americans killed on 9/11 — 3,000.
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Apparently 2,996 in the 9/11 attacks.
http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/COUNTRY_CITIZENSHIP.htm
May 28th, 2007 at 9:38 pmGive Gen Pace a break. It takes time for anything to penetrate The Bubble.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:41 pmin Sept. when Pace gives his assessment on Bush’s Surge he will be just as erronious as he is here… He’ll say whatever boy king tells him to say…
May 28th, 2007 at 9:46 pmI saw on NWCN this morning that the killed in battle was 3,813 this morning…Wondered where they are getting their figures, maybe this is the actual total figure that has not been reported because they died shortly after being shipped to a hospital.
This guy is just another dumb ass uncaring reich winged bush licker who happen;s to be in the service..Lock step, one, two. ..Blessings all…I’m leaving
May 28th, 2007 at 9:46 pm2996 minus the 209 internationals = 2787 dead american in 9.11
May 28th, 2007 at 9:47 pmnot to put too fine a point on a tragedy
but
the actual number who died on sept 11, 2001
was, i believe, closer to 2800.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:47 pmJoint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter Pace falsely claimed that the number of U.S. casualties in Iraq is just “approaching†the number of Americans killed on 9/11 — 3,000.
In any case, that would just make things better, right?
Like when trolls say: Hey, there are only 50,000 dead Iraqi civilians.
Anyone with an argument like this, should face a trial for crimes against humanity.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:49 pmI’m an Australian student, and I know more about American deaths on 9/11 and in Iraq than the Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman!
Bumbling fools!
May 28th, 2007 at 9:52 pmFlags Replaced With Swastikas
Nice – on Memorial Day – the Neocons are letting us know they don’t care.
:(
May 28th, 2007 at 9:57 pmMartin, you have John Howard. You cannot think for a second that any American here is going to applaud you for your knowledge. After all, Bush stole two elections. How many times have Australians elected John Howard?
My brother is one of those 3000+ soldiers killed in Bush’s war for oil. Every single one of those soldiers had a life, and people who loved and cared about them. It stands to reason, then, that Pace would get the number wrong, the very earmark of uncaring and lack of consideration.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:02 pm2,809 U.S. service personnel have died in Iraq as a result of hostile action.
NYC puts the September 11 death toll at the World Trade Center at 2,750.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:03 pmThe use of the term “sacrificed” irritated me. But then, I thought about it, and, yes, these men and women were sacrificed.
Ancient cultures sacrificed humans to guarantee the “life of the nation.” We have done no less. These young men and women were, in fact, human sacrifices, given to guarantee the profits of Corporate America; the War Profiteers; the Oil Industry, the Defense Industry, and their CEO’s, who take home millions of dollars in blood money each and every year.
Those who enlist in the Armed Forces are volunteering to be the next Human Sacrifice to the alter of human greed.
sorry, hacker bob, but you’re no longer being used to defend the country. Your sense of honor, loyalty and patriotism has been used against you. I wish you and your comrades in arms – peace.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:14 pmWell what do you think the BS in CBS stands for anyway…Not surprising. Kill your T.V. I did two years ago and have not regretted it for a second.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:15 pmComment by Exley — May 28, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
Sources? Your numbers are at odds with the story linked to above.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:15 pm3,452 is the claimed number of those killed in Iraq; that is, the number that died in Iraq. How many have died after they were shipped out of Iraq in critical condition? And how many suffering from PTSD committed suicide? Both categories should be added to the killed in Iraq.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:17 pmComment by trueblue — May 28, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
I read the article. I get the feeling this was done in protest of the neocons. I’m going to ask you to trust me on that, ok? and, yes, I wish they had chosen a different forum to voice their displeasure. I view the soldiers as victims of the neocons as well.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:19 pmBnF:
Troops killed in hostile action:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/27/AR2007052700878.html?tid=informbox
9/11 casualties:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/nyregion/24dust.html
May 28th, 2007 at 10:20 pmThanks, BnF.
I guess my tired eyes only saw desecration.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:21 pmTrueblue,
Your eyes did not deceive you. That IS desecration. Cruel, disgusting desecration.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:25 pmThat line “allowing us to live free” made me laugh. What does it mean? Is he saying they died so Americans can live free? There’s that misconception that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. It didn’t. All the deaths in Iraq have been about other things than Liberty. And I’m sorry, but alQaeda was never a political threat to the USA. Even if they’d managed another attack it would never have been able to overthrow the government or seriously alter the American way of life. The attacks were a result of the unfortunate coincidence of a criminal organization (alQaeda) meeting the defences of another criminal organization (the Bush WH) ending in grotesque criminal negligence causing death.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:32 pmExley, you can’t read. That figure of 2750 applies only to the Twin Towers. You don’t seem to count the deaths on the other two planes and the Pentagon. Of course, that’s Enron accounting, isn’t it?
May 28th, 2007 at 10:35 pmHeroes all!
May 28th, 2007 at 10:36 pmThe DOD has confirmed 3449 US military casualties in Iraq. There have been 6 more reported, but not confirmed. That brings the total to 3455.
http://icasualties.org/oif/
May 28th, 2007 at 10:40 pmDesecration, eh, Exley? Until recently the dead were coming home in boxes from Iraq with no fanfare and no honour guard. Forgotten soldiers from the moment they died. And given the reports of how long it takes to send urgent equipment to the troops in Iraq, I’d say the living are forgotten also. It usually takes a few years after Peace is declared for the Vets to be forgotten, but not with Dubya.
BTW, Naz! Germany used to killed the mentally and physically handicapped until things went badly at the Eastern Front. Berlin faced a revolt in the ranks if they didn’t prove to the troops that even the most severely wounded would be honored and treated with the greatest care and respect. Do you think Bush respects the wounded after what was seen at Walter Reed? The reluctance to send needed armor and equipment? The unwillingness to admit defeat and redeploy? I’d say that’s the real desecration.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:51 pmThe “official” count from the military only includes those who died in combat. The number does NOT include Americans who have died as a result of their injuries, not does it include our troops who have died in military “mishaps”. Also, there are nearly 400 who have died in combat in Afganistan, not reflected in the 3,450+ quoted.
But, as Tony Snow said, it’s just a “number”; to Bush, this is just a “comma”.
To the families and communities who have lost members to this illegal conflict, I can assure you these are more than numbers or commas…
PEACE
May 28th, 2007 at 10:52 pm#21,
Oops…David you are correct. My mistake. The 2750 figure includes only those killed in the Twin Towers. The full 9/11 casualty figure (NYC, Pentagon, and Pennsylvania) is 2978 (I am not completely certain whether that figure includes the 19 Al Qaeda terrorists or not).
Thus, Gen. Pace is technically correct. The number of U.S. service personnel have died in Iraq as a result of hostile action over the last four years and three months is approaching the number of people killed on the morning of September 11, 2001.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:53 pmJoint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter Pace flunked math in High School.
May 28th, 2007 at 10:53 pmSomething like 116,000 in WWI; 405,000 in WWII; 60,000 in Korea; 56,000 in Vietnam; and 3,452 in Iraq.
Do you think Pace is intentionally trying to decieve you or are you merely splitting hairs?
May 28th, 2007 at 10:54 pmWhat does the War in Iraq have to do with 9-11 and the people who planted the exposives in the WTC towers that turned the INTACT concrete and glass into 50 micron sized powder seen in the picture in the link in less than 15 seconds?
h t t p : / / 9 1 1 r e s e a r c h . w t c 7 . n e t / w t c / e v i d e n c e / p h o t o s / s t r e e t s 1 . h t m l
NOBODY has ever discovered a way to turn INTACT concrete, glass, wheat, peanut or any other material in to a 50 micron sized fine powder without either EXPLODING or MILLING or ABRADING the material.
NO COMPRESSION FORCE, be it hammer, hydraulic press, or the dropping of the entire weight of a WTC tower, can turn an intact piece of material be it concrete, glass, wheat, or peanut into an appreciable quantity of micron sized powders, because the FORCE has to be applied between two surfaces that are smoother than 50 microns across their faces, and besides most of the material will be ejected from the sides before the faces come within 50 microns of each other anyway!
Folks you can try this at home yourself with a hammer, tiny piece of concrete or glass, a concrete sidewalk, and 15 seconds of hammering, and then you will see that you CANNOT make 50 micron sized powder using COMPRESSION FORCE!
This is IRREFUTABLE PROOF of use of explosives, because the environment of a collapsing WTC COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY PRODUCED A COMPRESSION FORCE that could trap the WTC tower’s concrete and glass material between two surfaces that were smooth to within a 50 micron tolerance, because the WTC tower’s has no such surfaces yet alone two surfaces with enough area to create the appreciable amount of fine dust that rained down for blocks.!
This is IRREFUTABLE PROOF of use of explosives, because the environment of a collapsing WTC COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY PRODUCED A MILLING FORCE that could trap the WTC tower’s concrete and glass material between mortar and pestle like surfaces and ground them for many minutes, and besides the fine powder was created in less than 15 seconds!
This is IRREFUTABLE PROOF of use of explosives, because the environment of a collapsing WTC COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY PRODUCED AN ABRADING FORCE that could trap the WTC tower’s concrete and glass material between grind stone like surfaces and ground them for many minutes, and besides the fine powder was created in less than 15 seconds!
This is IRREFUTABLE PROOF of use of explosives BY PROCESS OF ELIMINATION!
If ANYBODY come up with a way to make an appreciable quantity of 50 micron sized powders of any material be it concrete, glass, wheat, or peanut, in less than 15 seconds by using COMPRESSION FORCE, you will better hurry up and notify the patent office and the Nobel prize committee!
May 28th, 2007 at 10:58 pm#26 see #23
2978
May 28th, 2007 at 11:00 pmCaptainMantastic, he’s the guy at the top. If he can’t get it right, it’s Game Over. He’s the guy doing the logistics. He’s the one setting troop strengths and supporting the ’surge’. If he doesn’t know that the number dead is over 3000 and not under 3000, he needs a long vacation. (And he can’t claim fatigue, it wasn’t a rhetorical error. It was a careful worded speech.)
May 28th, 2007 at 11:02 pm#21 you’re right exley can’t count. Not surprising though about any of these leg humpers…they haven’t seen the ball since kickoff.
Neither has our supposed “leadership” in the WH. Fu(king pathetic.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:02 pm‘Official’ US tally thru 5/26 = 3,495
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm
This INCLUDES those injured in Iraq who may have later died from their injuries, whether in Iraq, Germany, or the US.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:05 pmhey i agree, u guys areallright, godbless
May 28th, 2007 at 11:05 pmIraq puppy adopted by fallen soldier’s family-He was photographed with dog from litter the day before he was killed
May 28th, 2007 at 11:06 pmcriticalthinker. Here’s how you do it: Fly a 400,000 pound jetliner into it at about 400 kts.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:06 pm3,000 – 3,500. the difference doesn’t amount to the number of guys that died in WWII from tripping over other guys that had died. It’s a war. If you want to focus on the people that die instead of the task at hand – yes it will be harder to win. If that’s your aim.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:10 pmu need knots explained
May 28th, 2007 at 11:11 pmCaptainMantastic sez:
So…the jetliners converted the towers to 50 micron powder upon impact? Is that honestly what you are contending?
Odd, how two completely pulverized skyscrapers managed to stay standing for almost an hour before collapsing in on themselves…
May 28th, 2007 at 11:13 pmFollow up on posting #26:
According to The New York Times and CNN, the number of people murdered by Al Qaeda on 9/11/2001 was 2,974 people.
This figure excludes the 19 hijackers.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:13 pmThe statement should read: 3452 US military have died on IRAQI SOIL. According to the Harring report Official DoD Iraq War US Military over 8 Times More Dead than Reported. So maybe another 20,000 should be counted dead?
As with every thing else the 3452 dead is just one more BIG LIE.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:13 pmWhere’s the coverage of the socialist / communist Hugo Chavez, shutting down free speech by taking over a popular tv station?
May 28th, 2007 at 11:14 pmodd indeed
May 28th, 2007 at 11:14 pmi thinku should keepit tied yp in court
May 28th, 2007 at 11:17 pmCaptMadtastic, the WAR is OVER. It ended with the silly Mission Accomplished speech. It’s a occupation now. That’s a whole different ball of wax. If you intend to stay there for decades and pull a Joe Stalin, don’t expect flowers & smiles. No, you can expect 3 dead and 7 injured per day until redeployment.
This ghastly mistake has already lasted longer than the two World Wars. And it wasn’t a fair fight from the start. Remember: Saddam had no WMD. His airforce had been neutralized. The UN weapons inspectors even destroyed most of his missles in the week before Bush ordered them out.
You know, if America actually put its military might toward Homeland Security, America would be safe. Unfortunately, it spends most of its military muscle invading and occupying places that won’t play ball with Wall Street.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:27 pmHa ha. The military has been at least 6 months behind on just about everything. Why not with the fatality counts as well?
Or, the whole point of this war is to blow any resembelance of a civilization out of Iraq so that we can take the oil under that sand…
May 28th, 2007 at 11:28 pmIn Chalmers Johnson’s The Sorrows of Empire, at page 100, there is a paragraph that summarizes the father’s war:
if we extrapolate from johnson to this war, and if we maintain the 29.3 per cent number, and assuming 1.3 million us troops going in and out of iraq, the number of wounded will be about 450,000 and the number of dead will be about 45,000, if we extrapolate the number dead at the end of gulf war i, forward ten years…
happy memorial day!!!
May 28th, 2007 at 11:32 pmWhich one of you intellectual trolls think your funny coming up with your new alter ego? You people sure are twisted.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:32 pm41 – fascinating.
It reminds me of how Bush’s first secretary of Education made national news when he was superintendent of schools back in Texas, with zero dropout rate. But there were several thousand fewer students graduating than enrolled as freshmen 4 years earlier….
May 28th, 2007 at 11:35 pm3,452 dead and Osama parties on in Pakistan after our troops were ordered to stand back at Tora Bora. Al Qaeda grown to worldwide proportions and our forces tied down occupying a nation that never posed a credible threat, had no WMD, no nuclear program, no ties to terrorism. FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:37 pm29 – right on, again.
I still can’t get a troll to explain the cell phone calls made from in-flight commercial airliners….
Why was the only official investigation limited in scope to the alleged failure of the intelligence community? There has never been a criminal investigation into the greatest crime ever committed on American soil.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:38 pm3452
Why the f*ck are we arguing numbers here?
ONE DEATH WAS TOO MUCH TO SACRIFICE FOR THIS FARCE OF A WAR.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:48 pmThere has never been a criminal investigation into the greatest crime ever committed on American soil.
You talking about Vice President Lyndon Johnson ordering the murder of his boss?
May 28th, 2007 at 11:55 pmWhat does 9/11 have to do with the Iraq OCCUPATION? Nothing! So what, are we supposed to feel some kind of relief that the deaths are now equal? Jeez…………………..the war was a lie – the occupation is a lie and innocent people are dying so some fat rich cats can get richer. This is all Bush$hit. The people must come to their senses……..or it will be too late.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:56 pm51, every time a number is reached that might have some historical significance, some will try to trivialize the number. That’s easier to do than to list the names of all who have died. If we did that, we just might put a human face on this war.
Ever notice that mainstream media shows rubble and blast craters, but no blood?
We are fighting a war where the only casualties are numbers, not people. The only economic cost is borrowed money, not increased taxes.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:58 pmhi, z,
what do you make of the numbers in 46…now THOSE are tragic. i don’t know how accurate an extrapolation would be from daddy to son… you have to add the extended enriched uranium exposure to the son as well.
anyway, ‘hi’!
May 29th, 2007 at 12:00 amComment by m12 — May 28, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
I’m talking about the murder of some 3,000 people, the destruction of 3 buildings in New York and a portion of the Pentagon, and the fake crash of a jetliner in Pennsylvania.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:01 amComment by green — May 28, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
It already is too late.
Zooey posted the solution earlier today when she said, “We create what we fear.”
All that is needed is to give up your fears.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:04 amYou talking about Vice President Lyndon Johnson ordering the murder of his boss?
Comment by m12
You mean with the help of George Herbert Walker Bush or did Sr. really order the hit.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:05 am51
It is horrific how the Bush administration with the media in the back pocket LIES to the public in order to
carry out their mission – gain control over Iraqi oil. 3452 dead? Have you noticed the number only goes up when more die on Iraq soil? Therefore the Harring Report holds much water. Why aren’t more questioning this?
Yes, one death is too many. But the LIES have to be exposed.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:15 amWe are fighting a war where the only casualties are numbers, not people. The only economic cost is borrowed money, not increased taxes.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
It’s shameful, I don’t know how this is ok with….anyone.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:29 amanyway, ‘hi’!
Comment by e coli
Hi j, it’s been a long time. I hope you’re well.
Isn’t it amazing how these Bushes can play with lives like they are ONLY numbers? And we let them?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:32 amMistress Z~
May 29th, 2007 at 12:34 amAll the 28% neandertals who actually tremble in their piss soaked undies that they might some day have to go hand to hand with a turbaned saracen are the only cretins who think it’s OK.
Fu(king cowards.
Is this the “fuzzy math” Chimpy was referring to in the 2000 Presidential debates with Al Gore? And Pace is the guy ostensibly overseeing the expenditure of hundreds of billions per year of tax dollars and money borrowed from foreign nations? Such a cause for comfort…
May 29th, 2007 at 12:44 amYou mean with the help of George Herbert Walker Bush or did Sr. really order the hit.
Who had the most to gain? It’s not like GHWB would have had the opportunity to ram through the Gulf of Tonkin resolution or NSAM 273 to escalate the war in Vietnam…..
Or, let’s blame a mid level CIA official rather than the incumbent Vice President!
May 29th, 2007 at 12:46 amHey, james…hope you post more often!
May 29th, 2007 at 12:49 amMistress Z~
All the 28% neandertals who actually tremble in their piss soaked undies that they might some day have to go hand to hand with a turbaned saracen are the only cretins who think it’s OK.
Fu(king cowards.
Comment by RUCerious
Disgusting. My head is killing me, I need a break from this place.
Goodnight all.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:54 amHey, james…hope you post more often!
Comment by Juan C
I hope so, too.
Goodnight. :)
May 29th, 2007 at 12:55 amPeter Pace:
With a name like that,how many times did this guy get his ass kicked when he was a kid ?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:36 amSheehan gave up.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:40 am#10 *Hater
May 29th, 2007 at 2:19 amMy sincere condolences for the loss of your brother in this senseless war.
#70 – Comment by Lora — May 29, 2007 @ 2:19 am, addressed to *Hater (Comment #10)
*Hater, I would like to add my condolences to those of Lora.
Last night, I stood in front of our State Capitol, publicly mourning the loss of nearly 1,000 members of our armed forces this past year and uncounted numbers of Iraqis, and all of the others lost before that.
My mourning now includes your brother, since you have made us all aware of the tragedy that has struck your familty. My sadness for all of you is deep and heartfelt.
To just think that there are actually people who still support trapping our brave troops in this endless occupation of Iraq, as the civil war gets increasingly violent and deadly, and the number of our troops being placed in harm’s way increases daily! Thinking of the senseless cruelty of such people, turns my sadness into boiling anger and then back to heartbreaking sadness for our country.
But at this moment, my heart goes out to you and your family.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:41 amTIN HAT ALERT!
I see we have some 9/11 Truth Movement folks making comments.
Go to the sites below for thorough debunkings of all the claims the Truth Movement has ever made:
http://www.911myths.com/
http://www.debunking911.com/
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home
(And while we’re talking about deaths, don’t forget the 600,000+ Iraqis who have died because of us.)
May 29th, 2007 at 6:46 amSheehan gave up.
Comment by Goober
Latimer was executed beside Nicholas Ridley. He is quoted as having said to Ridley:
Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle, by God’s grace, in England, as I trust shall never be put out.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:35 amMany analysts think that the number killed because of the Iraq conflict is approximately double the amount reported. Why? Because the Bushies are only counting people who died on the ground in Iraq. If you died on the way to a hospital in Germany or later died because of their injuries they aren’t counted. And they certainly aren’t counting all of our young men and women who commit suicide after they return home because they can’t live with the memories of the horrors they witnessed in Iraq.
Why would you think that the Bush Crime Family is being honest about the number of American deaths due to Iraq. They wouldn’t know the truth if it hit them in the face. They are masters of deception.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:27 amHe stopped counting a while ago.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:28 am“Official’ US tally thru 5/26 = 3,495 This INCLUDES those injured in Iraq who may have later died from their injuries, whether in Iraq, Germany, or the US.”
Please tell me how you came to this conclusion. The site you sent us to does not indicate that the number killed includes people who died later from their injuries. I have read several articles that stated that the dead don’t include those who later died of their injuries. I have NEVER read anything where any US official (military or political) has denied this contention.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:36 amLiberals Burning Flags , its their own way Supporting the Troops , Wink. Impeach Chaney Then Bush , Bring The Troops Home so the Terrorist will Follow and kill the Liberals so we can win this Damn war .
May 29th, 2007 at 10:05 amHater the SORELOSERMAN …. Pussy
May 29th, 2007 at 10:07 amhad enough Your Intellect is astounding . I thank you for informing me of the Fact that CNN , MSNBC , Headline News , ABC , CBS , NBC , The New York Times and the rest of the Liberal Dribble fit to print are in the Hands of The Bushes . You Sir are a Fool and a great spokesperson for your Cause and I commend you on your stupidity
May 29th, 2007 at 10:15 am#74
Look through the lists. You will see that there are many listed as having died from injuries in Germany, Dallas, and other locations.
Example: April 2007. #10 Died in San Diego from injuries in Iraq. #59 was non-combat related in Qatar.
Other reports of mis-reported deaths are not credible.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:18 am