Waxman: ‘You Must Do The Oversight If We’re Going To Keep People Honest’
Waxman: ‘You Must Do The Oversight If We’re Going To Keep People Honest’
A May 18 report from the Office of Special Counsel found that General Services Administration chief Lurita Doan engaged in a “serious violation” of federal law by holding a meeting of federal employees prior to the 2006 midterms to discuss how they could “help our candidates” win the next election.
On the heels of the OSC’s finding, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry Waxman called for Doan to testify again before his committee on June 7. In her first testimony before Waxman, Doan displayed a horrible memory, failing to recall anything of substance about the GSA’s political briefings except that “there were cookies on the table” at one of her meetings.
ThinkProgress recently sat down with Waxman to ask him about the investigation into Doan. Waxman told us:
The investigation is a very important one and what it has shown is so often when you press these issues to people in the administration, you find out what they had said wasn’t true. … I just think it’s worth noting when people say “I can’t remember, I don’t recall,” it usually means they don’t want to say anything because it’s going to conflict with what they had said in the past or they’re going to say something for which they may well be committing perjury.
Waxman cited Doan’s testimony as a classic example. “She said the most incredible thing — ‘Congressman, I’m just so embarrassed. I can’t remember. I suppose I was there, but I can’t remember it.’ … Well, give me a break,” he said. Watch it:
Waxman explained that “you must ask the questions” and “you must do the oversight if we’re going to keep people honest, if we’re going to provide the checks and balances that our Constitution envisions.” By pressing forward with the investigation, investigators have revealed a disturbing pattern by Doan to mislead and cover-up her true intent regarding these partisan briefings. Some examples:
– When asked by the OSC investigators about her role in the briefing, she said “she was uninterested in the topic” and “was on her Blackberry…reviewing emails…and only periodically looked up and down.” But a review of her e-mail use during the meeting failed to corroborate that she was checking or sending email via her BlackBerry.
– Doan claimed the GSA employees who spoke out about her were employees who were poor performers. The OSC investigators said that Doan’s claim regarding the witnesses “appears to have been purposefully misleading and false” since none of the seven employees had “between a poor to totally inferior performance.”
– Doan claimed “she does not care about polls or election results.” But innvestigators report that Doan contributed $226,000 to Republican candidates and Republican organizations. Doan responded by testifying that the contributions had been ‘taken out of context.’”
Transcript:
WAXMAN: The investigation is a very important one and what it has shown is so often when you press these issues to people in the administration, you find out what they had said wasn’t true.
Then they change their story. Then they start saying “I don’t remember. I don’t know. I can’t recall.” I just think it’s worth noting when people say “I can’t remember, I don’t recall,” it usually means they don’t want to say anything because it’s going to conflict with what they had said in the past or they’re going to say something for which they may well be committing perjury.
A good example of this was when we had Lurita Doan, the head of the General Services agency. And she had, at GSA headquarters, a teleconference all around the country with GSA employees, a review of the Republican Party’s agenda for the 2008 election [Note: Waxman meant to say it was the 2006 election.]
And they talked about what incumbent members of Congress were going to be in trouble, what opportunities for seats they had to pick up. And at the end of all this, she stood up and said, “We’ve got to do our best to help our Republican candidates.”
Well, she came before our committee, under oath. And we asked her about this meeting that took place at the GSA and the comment that she made. Well, she said the most incredible thing — “Congressman, I’m just so embarrassed. I can’t remember. I suppose I was there, but I can’t remember it.”
We asked her, we’ve had six or seven people that we’ve interviewed that indicated you stood and said “let’s help our Republican colleagues.” Do you think they’re lying? She said, “Well, I don’t want to say they’re lying. But I just don’t remember.” Well, give me a break.
So I think that these inquiries are interesting because you must ask the questions. You must do the oversight if we’re going to keep people honest, if we’re going to provide the checks and balances that our Constitution envisions.
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The Bush administration is composed of people fully committed to breaking the law. They are literally a Mafia-like organization. Oversight is not about keeping them honest. It is about catching them, indicting them, convicting them, and imprisoning them.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:02 pmShe was probably checking e-mail on the Karl Rove gwb43.com network — which of course remains beyond public reach.
No, on second thought, even Karl would have figured her to be too dumb to be trusted with something like that.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:04 pmTo TP.
Reduce the yellow a touch. The guy looks like an orange.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:14 pmI watched the woman during her testimony and there isn’t any question in my mind: she is a liar. The OSC found her to be a liar. The comittee chair found her to be a liar.Why in hell can’t someone in the democratic party call her for what she is– a LIAR!
May 28th, 2007 at 3:14 pmShe remembers cookies but that is all? Stop. Enough.
However- since the dems continue to show no willingness to do anything other than voice a gooper lite position, I guess the only choice left is to leave the party. Leave it now and refuse to donate a single cent until the “leadership” decides to take public positions that reflect the desires of the voters!
Mean while, when reached in Greenland where she’s watching ice melt to cure “Global Warming”, Nancy Pelosi said that she agrees with Waxman and the vote to give Bush a blank check on Iraq is only the beginning of our oversight efforts.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:17 pmThank You, Nancy!
#5 Try writing something coherent next time.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:20 pmThe republcans put mcdoogle in jail when she wouldn’t testify, why aren’t the dems doing the same thing?
May 28th, 2007 at 3:24 pmAmazing the level of corruption. Why do I feel like I’m living in a third-world junta-run country that doesn’t have a Constitution or a Bill of Rights? The US tries to export “democracy” and the Bible but can’t follow any of the principles in either. We’re doomed. This country is being lead by mean, stupid, stubborn people - - the worst combination you can get - - who are supported by big oil, insurance and pharmaceutical money. We’re screwed.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:33 pmHenry Waxman makes me proud to be a Californian. The guy is the modern model of what a Congressman should be.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:35 pmComment by beefeater - - We welcome all comments from the gay community too.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:38 pmComment by bob (not the hacker) — May 28, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
For the same reason impeachment was pulled off the table.
We only have the illusion of oversight; oversight without consequences. People “resign” to go into higher paying private-sector jobs.
Their high-paying government jobs were paid for by taxes. Their higher-paying private sector jobs are paid for by higher prices.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:40 pmRight, so far lets take stock of the situation.
The Democrats were voted into power on the idea that they would punish GW Bush. America was peeved at getting lied into a war and wanted some revenge. I must admit I thought the Democrats would at least have the balls to take that revenge. I was wrong.
The Democrats’ stated mandate (What they said they were elected to do) was to get America out of Iraq and reintroduce oversight in the house of Congress. So far they have failed miserably, and then applauded their own cleverness in their failure.
Nancy Pelosi has run away from her critics to Greenland. The general consensus within the Democrats is smugly satisfied at its own defeat and the Democratic base is basically pissed off.
The Democrats don’t give a shit about anybody but themselves, and their own political backsides, they don’t give a shit about America, and they don’t give a shit about actually doing the right thing. They are gutless cowards who are smugly impressed with their own cowardice.
The traditional alternative is the Republican Party, which is worse. In a battle between cowards, we all lose. The real alternative is to vote Green in the next elections. Everyone in America must make up their minds to show the two major parties, left and right, that they will not stand for corruption, stupidity, cowardice, lying, or a bunch of weasels more concerned with what their beltway strategists say then the good of the country.
It is time for America to vote Green.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:54 pmOn the record. That’s why Bush won’t allow Rove to talk on the record. Too many lies to have to remember.
May 28th, 2007 at 3:58 pmWe welcome all comments from the gay community too.
Comment by Badmoodman — May 28, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
If calling me a queer makes you feel superior (and I would guess that it does, because everyone knows that queers are inferior) then I’m happy for you. Whatever floats your boat.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:09 pmIs that a communal we? Are you expressing the prevailing opinion of the vast majority of people on this blog?
Why do these people hold meetings if they can’t remember anything afterwards? Don’t they even take notes? Distribute Action Item or To Do lists?
Bet y’all know the “Subpoenas … now with Immunity” clip..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp-yRI_HJoM
May 28th, 2007 at 4:10 pmIt was time for people to vote Green in Florida in 2000, too. Thanks for George W. Bush, guys.
As for Doan, screw the June 7 hearing–indict her tomorrow. She has committed as blatant a violation of the Hatch Act as I’ve ever seen, and lied to Congress to boot. If she’s going to rat out Rover, let her do it as part of a plea bargain to avoid prison time. If not, let her rot in a cell. All Waxman will be doing by interviewing her again is giving her another opportunity to lie.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:22 pmDr. Wu
1st: Those who voted Green in Florida would not have voted Democrat anyway, they simply wouldn’t have voted and might even have voted Republican. They voted Green out of disgust at a party seeking to be its opposition.
2nd: You can either accept what the two parties have become, or you can do something about it. If you are not willing to vote for what you want you cannot complain when the next GW Bush comes along, next time on a Democrat ticket.
The guys who you should be sneeringly thanking for Bush are those Republicans who thought Bush a bad presidential candidate, but voted for him anyway because he was not a Democrat. When the situation gets reversed, don’t make the same mistake as those contemptable sots did.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:30 pmHenry Waxman’s power to investigate the gross corruption of George Bush’s administration is the silver lining to the Republican’s inquisition of President Bill Clinton.
I hope Henry Waxman continues his public investigations until George Bush is long gone from office. There needs to be a thorough accounting of the high crimes and misdemeanors committed by Republicans.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:33 pmTooooo bad Henry wasn’t advising Congress about check kiting and former President Clinton about lying under oath. If Waxman was so interested in “honesty” he would get to the bottom of the “cold” hard cash in William Jefferson’s freezer……Hypocrite!
May 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmDr. Wu:
Those of you who blame either the Green party or Ralph Nader for Bush’s victory are nothing but blame-everyone-except-me whiners. You remind me of the Republicans who whine over and over “Clinton did it.” Take responsibility for once instead of blaming others. Gore lost because he ran one of the most incompetent, milk-toast campaigns ever. Gore initially had a huge lead in the polls and then blew it because he seemed to stand for nothing. If you’re a progressive, stop behaving like a whining Republican.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:40 pm“Capture one of these killers, and he’ll be quick to demand the protections of the Geneva Convention and the Constitution of the United States,” the Vice President said in the Saturday morning speech. “Yet when they wage attacks or take captives, their delicate sensibilities seem to fall away.”
May 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pmYeah, yeah, when Waxman goes after Plame for her inconsistencies in testifying to Congress, I’ll pretend to care. Your not credible if you only go after your political enemies, it’s called hypocrisy, Mr. Waxman.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:43 pm5/26/2007
Yep, Hostages To Lieberman:
This week, the Rude Pundit posited that the real reason for the Democratic cave on war funding was Joe Lieberman, him of the hangdog face and Droopy voice, seeking to exercise some of his mighty power of bipartisanship by sinking a bill supported by the vast majority of the American people. His threat? Jumping to the Republican caucus, thus assuring that this would be his last term in office.
And now we know that he’s been a-threatenin’.
Ya think George Soros could use some of his scratch to bribe Chuck Hagel into going independent and caucusing Democratic? And then we can tell Lieberman to go uck himself.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
May 28th, 2007 at 4:44 pmdr.wu - bruce gorton is from south africa…
i’ve never been able to figure out his attitude and reasoning
for telling u.s. citizens how they thould vote…
it’s very confusing to me…
the only way a third (or more) party can have any chance in today’s
political elections is to eliminate the electoral college…
and intsitute public financing of elections…
i’m all for both!
now, back out to finish mowing and wait for some more rain…
May 28th, 2007 at 4:45 pm…
I agree with Bruce and Willy - that Gore could have done a better job with his campaign, and his loss was not because of Ralph Nader (though he didn’t actually lose according to several independent re-counts).
And to give Mr. Gore that opportunity to run a better campaign, we’d like to invite him to run again in 2008… :D
May 28th, 2007 at 4:47 pmMay 22 (Bloomberg) — Senator Joe Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, says his disagreement with the Democrats over the Iraq war won’t prevent him from working with his former party. For now.
“I hope the moment doesn’t come that I feel so separated from the caucus” that he decides to shift allegiance to the Republicans, he said in an interview. Asked what Democratic actions might cause such a break, he invoked Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart’s famous 1964 definition of pornography: “I’ll know it when I see it.”
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/ blog/ electioncentral/ 2007/ may/ 22/ lieberman_again_threatens_to_switch_parties_a_week_after_admitting_hed_promised_not_to
May 28th, 2007 at 4:48 pm“it’s called hypocrisy, Mr. Waxman.
Comment by DreamCrusher — May 28, 2007 @ 4:43 pm”
No, it’s called the opposition party. Don’t like it? Dig up a corpse of a Founding Father and berate him…
May 28th, 2007 at 4:49 pmInteresting you bring up Jefferson. Although his office was raided a year ago, he has yet to be charged with any crime.
And you’re hardly one to talk about honesty. I’ve given you multiple opportunities to disavow this is from your myspace, and you have refused to do so at every turn:
http://blog.myspace.com/ index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=79943506&MyToken=27ddd5ef-c1e0-47b2-9bea-14363ccf4c80ML
Pretty damning stuff, coming from one who also claims to be a defense attorney.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:52 pmGO LIEBERMAN!!! Independents Rule!
May 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmYour (sic) not credible if you only go after your political enemies, it’s called hypocrisy, Mr. Waxman.
Comment by DreamCrusher — May 28, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Hence you are credible, because you attack hypocritical Republicans as well, right?
Wait, no…a review of your entries indicates you only attack Democrats…
oh my gosh! You’re not credible!
May 28th, 2007 at 4:57 pmLieberman is the antithesis of “rule”.
May 28th, 2007 at 4:58 pmunbelievable,
Oh, so Congress under the leadership of the Democrats should only seek perjury charges against Republicans, even when Democrats get on the stand and perjure themselves? Interesting legal concept you got going there. I wonder how you apply that to your political enemies. Snort.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:00 pmDream Crusher - I just want to know why William jefferson is still in the Congress and not awaiting pending felony charges??? (If you want progressives to admit to being the hypocrites many of them are - you’re in the wrong place.)
May 28th, 2007 at 5:09 pm“I wonder how you apply that to your political enemies. Snort.
Comment by DreamCrusher — May 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pm”
I thought we were all Americans. Now you’re labeling your fellow Americans as enemies? How Fascist of you, Mussolini.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:09 pmFor the record, the 22 year old from the MySpace page above claims she is in commodities trading, not law.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:10 pm“Lieberman is the antithesis of “ruleâ€.
Comment by El Tonno — May 28, 2007 @ 4:58 pm”
As jake is the antithesis of independent…
May 28th, 2007 at 5:10 pmJohnnie Walker Lindh was an American AND enemy. Rosie O’Donnell and Cindy Sheehan too. Thank God all three are gone finally!
May 28th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWhat was Plame inconsistant about? And weren’t Republicans there to question her? I’m confused.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:15 pmI see the trolls are all awake and out from under their bridge.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:18 pmRE #12’s suggestion to “vote green”…..hum, I think some liberal folks voted green in 2000 for Ralph Nader and it resulted in the worst precidency in american history….No, I will not throw my vote away on any third parties, no matter how appealing their limited agenda….The 08 election is just too important to give a vote to the republicans by voting “green” third party…Ralph Nader is just as much a Bush enabler as the Supreme Court appointment of Bush.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:19 pmdreamcatcher
Your kindergarten philosophy of “they did it so it’s ok if we do it” is ridiculous.
Is the height of stupidity. BOTH parties should be held to the same high standard and held accountable for their actions. Im for transparency and accountability, it is not a PARTISAN issue!
May 28th, 2007 at 5:22 pmThe real problem the Neocons have is that the vast majority of criminals in our government are REPUBLICANS not DEMOCRATS. That is not to say SOME Democrats commit these acts. Lay aside your party affiliation, you are an AMERICAN, we ALL ARE. Geez, grow UP and develop some ethics! The ” he did it so I can do it” defense is the stuff of children.
I refuse to vote for Ralph Nader.
He took money and help from the GOP.
He is a major reason Chimpy got in and stayed in.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:23 pmGood luck with the whole keeping this administration “bunch” honest deal.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:23 pmLindh, Rosie, Sheehan? What the hell is going on here? Weird stuff, Jake.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:23 pmValient Venus et al re William Jefferson, Congressman and his cool $100K….
May 28th, 2007 at 5:24 pmWaxman’s committe is not the place to be investigating Jefferson…he has nothing to say about it as the matter is in the hands of the Justice Department i.e. the FBI….It will be up to a U.S. attorney to charge Congressman Jefferson, not Henry Waxman.
Tom3
May 28th, 2007 at 5:29 pmAny volunteers to blow up the bridge?
venus,
Jefferson is still in Congress??? Are you serious? Hasn’t he been indicted on corruption charges?
unbelievable,
I thought we were all Americans. Now you’re labeling your fellow Americans as enemies? How Fascist of you, Mussolini.
No, I said YOUR political enemies. Don’t be disingenuous, you can read any thread here at TP and you god damn dupe liberals clearly and explicitly express Republicans as your enemies, more so than the terrorists who would take your life in an instant. Nice try at projection, though, noob.
LandSurveyor,
Plame contradicted her earlier testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee, and came up with a brand new story that she never told anyone earlier. Senator Bond has, after she testified, investigated with the CIA whether or not what she was saying was true, and the CIA has not found any cover for the things she stated.
Plame would have to testify again for the Republicans on the committee to ask her to explain herself, and regardless, the Democratic chairman would have to be the one to bring perjury charges, if I’m not mistaken. Will that happen, Mr. Waxman? Nope. Plame’s a golden Democratic asset, she’s not going anywhere, regardless of whether she lied or not. Waxman’s not interested in the truth, but he can easily prove me wrong by bringing Plame in for questioning again.
Ginko,
I’m asking Waxman to hold both parties to the same standard, but he obviously won’t, which was my whole point.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:30 pmSenator Bond is the dumbest windbag in Congress…and that’s saying a lot….my dog has more brains.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:32 pmIt will be up to a U.S. attorney to charge Congressman Jefferson, not Henry Waxman.
Comment by angryvietnamvet
An actual attorney would know that. :D
May 28th, 2007 at 5:35 pmWhat testimony? That she was covert? Isn’t that what this is all about? Hasn’t that been settled?
DC both parties protect their own so leave it alone. I personally think the Republicans have more to hide (obviously). Shall we start with Foley?
May 28th, 2007 at 5:36 pmTell you what, clean your house first. Then we’ll do ours. Democrats love to clean their own houses, anyway, unlike Neocons. At least the meager citizens do.
I believe that loser Jefferson is still in office because the Bush feds illegally raided his office. Hell even poor Hastert was having to defend Jefferson. LOOOOOL!
Why wont Waxman answer questions about Sibel Edmonds. He just wont respond to thousands of concerned citizens regarding this vital issue.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:44 pmRUCerious
Hope springs eternal. We have seen some good progress with people like C.R.E.W. transparency and accountability will be ours if we demand it from our elected “leaders” regardelss of party. The irony of Bush having his own “Monica problem” is too rich for words.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pmHelp me with this. With all the allegations of wrongdoing, especially in regards to Bush. The tampering of intel, the allegations that he orchestrated 9/11, the criminal involvement and profiteering in the war. Democrats have had 4-5 years to bring the charges. They have both houses of congress. President Bush has a 30% approval rating.
If all (or any) of the allegations are true. If the evidence is so obvious and overwhelming. Why isn’t the Democratic controlled congress (they no doubt have the motivation) able to bring the man to justice.
Is it possible the charges are not that credible? Isn’t it reasonable for me to have doubts about the charges of Bush’s wrongdoing, if his bitter opposition is unable to act on them?
May 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pmStupid troll is just proving that he’s in Repuke Bizarro World.
Valerie Plame was an undercover CIA agent who ran an undercover CIA company and they were both outed by the Chimpy regime.
Those are the real facts on Plamegate. Chimpy and his goons outed the CIA.
That’s treason.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:53 pmWaxman can’t talk about Sybil Edmunds because Chimpy put a gag order on her.
We already know what she is all about. The Turks are the middlemen for heroin coming out of Afghanistan. The US government knows about it and is keeping it covered up.
She blew the whistle on it, and Chimpy’s goons put a gag order on her.
Her entire case is classified and that’s probably why Waxman won’t talk about it.
May 28th, 2007 at 5:57 pmFor the record, the 22 year old from the MySpace page above claims she is in commodities trading, not law.
Comment by Jake — May 28, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Sure Jake, and one day you’re a lawyer, then you’re not, then you are. Which is it today?
May 28th, 2007 at 6:05 pmIf you want progressives to admit to being the hypocrites many of them are - you’re in the wrong place.)
Comment by vilevermin
You could start by admitting your hypocrisy first, vv–not that I really expect you to. In any case, you prove it with almost every post you submit here.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:05 pmYou know some jail time could refresh her memory. It was good enough for Judith Miler, who was also not forthcoming with info.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:14 pmHow to become a republican.
step 1) indulge every selfish, greedy thought you’ve ever had
step 2) Lie your way over to patriotism
May 28th, 2007 at 6:17 pmAccording to Luke Ryland, one of the foremost experts on the Sybel Edmonds case
“Sibel Edmonds’ case is about the intersection of illegal arms trafficking, heroin trafficking, money laundering, terrorist activities and the corruption of many “highly-recognizable, highly-known names” in and around the US government. Sibel says that the people involved will go straight to prison if we can get hearings into her case. Richard Perle, in prison. Douglas Feith, in prison. Dennis Hastert, in prison. Marc Grossman, in prison…”
http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/
May 28th, 2007 at 6:19 pmComment by Jake — May 28, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
For the record, valiant venus, aka M!ghty Aphrod!te claims to be a lawyer. Strange that she absolutely refuses to respond to questions regarding the myspace link. Someone else dug that up and claims it’s hers, and I’ve been trying to get her to confirm or deny it, either way.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:22 pmI wonder how you apply that to your political enemies. Snort.
Comment by DreamCrusher — May 28, 2007 @ 5:00 pmâ€
I thought we were all Americans. Now you’re labeling your fellow Americans as enemies? How Fascist of you, Mussolini.
Comment by unbelievable
Republicans started treating Democrats like the enemy during Carter’s administration and perfected it during Clinton’s. Unfortunately the Democratic voters unlike the Republican voters demand accountability and civility from their politicians. In effect neocons have been waging a noviolent civil war against us that started with the assasination of JFK.
Since Bush Sr. appears to be complicit in much of what has happened since then I guess the “I don’t know” testimony of Doan just follows the success initially achieved by Reagan during Iran/Contra. At a time when technology has made it incredibly easy to take notes and save calendars in several places at one time, not one member of the administration is able to remember anything that was said or when it was said or who was present.
Maybe Bush Sr. needs to be hauled in and questioned about why he was in Dallas during the assasination and how all his cronies from those days ended up in such high positions and how his dumbest son became president. Something is askew and the checks and balances that are supposed to protect our country from the control of fascist-like leasers has failed.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:23 pmDems like to shine flashlights in underlings a$$holes
May 28th, 2007 at 6:31 pmbruce gorton
The Democratic congress wasn’t elected for some sort of revenge against Bush. They were elected because people want change and the first change we want is this war on Iraq to end and the efforts be focused on diplomacy rather than the military. Republicans are so incredibly corrupt (and being indicted left and right across the nation finally) but we have a very slim majority and that is problematic in getting change moving. the wheels of progress move slowly and people take that to mean the Democrats are weak. I don’t see it that way, the system will eventually grind towards Justice if we can get it back on track and we have a great team of Dems ( though not perfect) in place to do just that.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:38 pmAn actual attorney would know that. :D
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007
Good one Zooey!
May 28th, 2007 at 6:38 pmDems like to shine flashlights in underlings a$$holes
Comment by Mr. President — May 28, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
And since Republicans ARE a$$holes we need to shine a spotlight on THEM.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:44 pmGood one Zooey!
Comment by shane
Hey, Shane. This girl’s got her mojo back. :)
May 28th, 2007 at 6:46 pm“No, I said YOUR political enemies.”
I know exactly what you said, I scored a 99% in Reading Comprehension on the high school graduation test when I was 17.
“Don’t be disingenuous, you can read any thread here at TP and you god damn dupe liberals clearly and explicitly express Republicans as your enemies, more so than the terrorists who would take your life in an instant.”
I’m an Independent, I don’t have political enemies. I do have religious enemies though.
“Nice try at projection, though, noob.
Comment by DreamCrusher — May 28, 2007 @ 5:30 pm”
If you’re gonna resort to childish name calling because you can’t understand my response, you show yourself to be incapable of debate. Sheesh.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:52 pmAnd since Republicans ARE a$$holes we need to shine a spotlight on THEM.
Comment by shane — May 28, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Hey, what ever gets you off. Different strokes for different folks. Just make sure to keep it safe.
May 28th, 2007 at 6:58 pmHey, what ever gets you off. Different strokes for different folks. Just make sure to keep it safe.
Comment by Mr. President
Do you like a plain condom on the flashlight, or the ribbed…?
May 28th, 2007 at 7:04 pm“Maybe Bush Sr. needs to be hauled in and questioned about why he was in Dallas during the assasination and how all his cronies from those days ended up in such high positions and how his dumbest son became president.”
That works! :D
“Something is askew and the checks and balances that are supposed to protect our country from the control of fascist-like leasers has failed.
Comment by shane — May 28, 2007 @ 6:23 pm”
Well said.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:06 pmHey, Shane. This girl’s got her mojo back. :)
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
So glad.
And may I say thank you to all you progressives who covered my back all the times in the last week when my DSL crashed and I was unable to finish my own argument. You guys rock.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:08 pmAn actual attorney would know that. :D
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007
Good one Zooey!
Comment by shane
I was going to write the same thing, but Zooey got there ahead of me. In any case, Vile Venus/MA has proved once again her/his ignorance of the profession she/he pretends to engage in.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:08 pmDo you like a plain condom on the flashlight, or the ribbed…?
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
I wouldn’t know. I won’t bring out my flashlight until my wedding day.
hmmpff.
And besides, aren’t they ribbed for *her* pleasure.
(yes, I’m being dense)
May 28th, 2007 at 7:09 pmWell said.
Comment by unbelievable
Thanks unbelievable especially for cutting me slack on the typos, being a teacher and all. That was fascist-like LEADERS if anybody thinks I’ve lost my mind. Apparently my fingers don’t work holidays.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:11 pmAnd besides, aren’t they ribbed for *her* pleasure.
(yes, I’m being dense)
Comment by Mr. President
*her* pleasure - isn’t that another topic you know nothing about?
May 28th, 2007 at 7:13 pm*her* pleasure - isn’t that another topic you know nothing about?
Comment by shane — May 28, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
No, it is a topic I *care* nothing about!
Heyooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Am I right fellas?
Yeah, y’all know what’s up.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI wouldn’t know. I won’t bring out my flashlight until my wedding day.
Comment by Mr. President
Heh. A “surprise” for the little woman, Mr P? Just don’t tell her where you keep it, ok?
May 28th, 2007 at 7:34 pmMr. Idiot, with a blowup doll like Laura, it probably doesn’t know how to do the orgasm thing, but most women are very “appreciative” of a guy who rocks their ocean. Dork.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:38 pmWell, I see no point in voting Green. Not if I was an American. It’s different in Canada. And, if Bruce Gorton is South African, I’m sure they too have a parliamentary democracy, which can handle multi-party elections. Indeed, SA has the edge on Canada by having proportional representation.
Sadly, I can’t see third parties in America as being anything more than protest parties. And the Greens leave me cold. I’ve met too many who are either Far Left or Far Right for me to think this is anything but a one-note party.
Now, if an amendment could be passed to bring in Prop Rep to the House, and the numbers increased to double what they are now, I’d have more hope for America. I don’t think 870 is an unwieldy number. And if the vote was coupled (male/female), there’d be gender parity.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:41 pmMr. Idiot, with a blowup doll like Laura, it probably doesn’t know how to do the orgasm thing, but most women are very “appreciative†of a guy who rocks their ocean. Dork.
Comment by RUCerious
*sniff*
He doesn’t even kiss me….
May 28th, 2007 at 7:44 pmMr. Idiot, with a blowup doll like Laura, it probably doesn’t know how to do the orgasm thing, but most women are very “appreciative†of a guy who rocks their ocean. Dork.
Comment by RUCerious
Something tells me the no orgasm thing isn’t the only reason Mr. President can’t get a woman.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:50 pm*sniff*
He doesn’t even kiss me….
Comment by Laura, the blow-up doll — May 28, 2007
Dear blow-up Laura, please shed no tears over Mr. P, he can be replaced by anything mechanical that also has no brain.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:52 pmComment by RUCerious — May 28, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Why should I give a damn?
You don’t know my m.o.?
I’m a patriarchal, male chauvanistic, egotistical, narcissistic, racist, intolerant, fat, greedy, fascist, megalomaniac.
Oh yeah, and I’m a young American male, so my motto is: you know it ain’t workin’, if ya thang ain’t squirtin’.
Other than that, I could care less.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:53 pmOther than that, I could care less.
Comment by Mr. President
Just as I suspected — virgin.
Heh.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:57 pmsheesh…I’m gone for a little while and the thread has degenerated from Waxman to whacksoffman!
May 28th, 2007 at 8:05 pmJust as I suspected — virgin.
Heh.
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
‘Tis true.
I shall remain chaste and pure.
My one love is for the heavenly father
and his one true son, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:06 pmsheesh…I’m gone for a little while and the thread has degenerated from Waxman to whacksoffman!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — May 28, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
yup, she’s a beaut’ ain’t she?!
May 28th, 2007 at 8:07 pmsheesh…I’m gone for a little while and the thread has degenerated from Waxman to whacksoffman!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Heh. That’s a shiny one!
I take partial responsibility, and as a consequence I’m going to watch “Shaun of the Dead.” :-)
May 28th, 2007 at 8:12 pmWhat sounds does a blow-up doll make when having an orgasm? Zooey, give the trolls(goobers) a shot at this one…ok? Oh…go ahead…..
May 28th, 2007 at 8:13 pmMr. President, how’s your pretzel?
May 28th, 2007 at 8:14 pmI shall remain chaste and pure.
Comment by Mr. President
Yeah, you’ll remain something alright…. :D
May 28th, 2007 at 8:14 pmMr. President, how’s your pretzel?
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 28, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
CT!!!
Long time no see.
My pretzel, no comprenday seenyour.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:17 pmSteady increase of entropy defines the macroscopic arrow of time. This also applies to the comment section.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:17 pmYeah, you’ll remain something alright…. :D
Comment by Zooey — May 28, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
Do you dare question the character of a man of the Book?
I shall have you know, I live by a code of efficks.
This is an outrage, an affront!!!!
Have you no shame?
hmpff.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:19 pmComment by Mr. President — May 28, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
For some reason, in the context of the above conversation, that comes off as just a bit gay….
May 28th, 2007 at 8:21 pmI’m a patriarchal, male chauvanistic, egotistical, narcissistic, racist, intolerant, fat, greedy, fascist, megalomaniac.
Oh yeah, and I’m a young American male, so my motto is: you know it ain’t workin’, if ya thang ain’t squirtin’.
Other than that, I could care less.
Comment by Mr. President
I believe we already new all of this.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:22 pmHer name was lurita
and she was a show girl
at the Coo-Coo Banana! ‘
–Manilow
May 28th, 2007 at 8:24 pm[somewhat]
Mr. President, since Nance isn’t at the House (that business trip to Greenland), perhaps you can sneak in a phat party!
May 28th, 2007 at 8:26 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — May 28, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
The audacity!!!
Your shame knows no bounds!!!
I have maintained devotion and piety, I asure you!!!
Not once has an the tempation of an indiscretion corrupted me!!!
And now you bring this accusation of sins against nature?
May the Lord have mercy upon your soul.
For slanderous tone of your post,
you brought sin to
yourself.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:33 pmDo you dare question the character of a man of the Book?
Comment by Mr. President
We didn’t know you trolls got a Book. I alway though you guys met in a cave and compared scribbles.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:34 pmMr. President, since Nance isn’t at the House (that business trip to Greenland), perhaps you can sneak in a phat party!
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 28, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
Fo’ Sho’ CT! You know how we do.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:34 pmWe didn’t know you trolls got a Book. I alway though you guys met in a cave and compared scribbles.
Comment by shane — May 28, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
OUTRAGEOUS!!!
Hath not thou heard the Holy Word?
Hath not thou forsaken the ways of the barbarian?
Hath not thou found the Truth of the Word of
Jesus Christ our True Lord
and Saviour,
Amen.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:39 pmJail time you liar. “I don’t remember†is only a defense for someone with advanced Alzheimer’s.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:42 pm“For the record, valiant venus, aka M!ghty Aphrod!te claims to be a lawyer. Strange that she absolutely refuses to respond to questions regarding the myspace link. Someone else dug that up and claims it’s hers, and I’ve been trying to get her to confirm or deny it, either way.”
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Braid Faire - Are you suffering from early dementia? Not to be unkind, I HAVE answered that variation of the same question a myriad of times. Either put the runes or your bong down.
Perhaps you think I have have applied to the Copyright Office for the name “mighty aphrodite” - I have not. But fankly, IF you think, What you think, WHY you think, is of no concern to me.
Angry Vet- Where did I imply that a Congressional investigation would be in place of the U.S. Attorney or FBI?? Oh….I didn’t…..Hmmmm - - if you assumed a bit less and thought a tad more, you wouldn’t look so “quick draw”…..or ill-informed…..
Tooodles….
May 28th, 2007 at 8:47 pmHath not thou found the Truth of the Word of
Jesus Christ our True Lord
and Saviour,
Amen.
Comment by Mr. President
Gee one post your acting all Catholic priestlike and now you go get all Pentecostal Evangelical.
So what are you waiting for the Confessional or the Rapture? Can’t you do that out of the closet?
May 28th, 2007 at 8:51 pmFor some reason, in the context of the above conversation, that comes off as just a bit gay….
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Just a bit?
May 28th, 2007 at 8:52 pmJesus is long dead and buried and if he came back today he would be clobbered within inches of his life by some irascible redneck the moment he steps off the elevator and turns his first cheek.
May 28th, 2007 at 8:56 pm1. The Bush administration is composed of people fully committed to breaking the law. They are literally a Mafia-like organization. Oversight is not about keeping them honest. It is about catching them, indicting them, convicting them, and imprisoning them.
Comment by VerbalKint — May 28, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
Although I believe and agreed with Mr. Verbalkint’s position in “oversight†on Condi Rice’s crimes against the United States I do have a problem with its relationship between Henry Waxman and reality: WHY IN THE HELL IS WAXMAN DRAGGING HIS FEET IN BRING RICE TO JUSTICE? BETTER YET—WHY IS CONDI ALLOWED TO TELL WAXMAN SINCE LAST APRIL TO SHOVE HIS SUBPOENAS UP HIS ASS? THOSE SUBPOENAS ARE FOR THE IRAQ-NIGER CLAIMS AND CIA’S PLAME-OUTING CHARGE—AND THEY’RE BOTH ROASTING UP IN WAXMAN’S BUTT! WAXMAN—LIKE JOHN CONYERS—IS NOTHING BUT A BAG OF HOT AIR!
May 28th, 2007 at 8:57 pmWell it has been a real slice, but I gotta go participate in the absolute, crepe hanging over Saint Cindy Sheehan’s demise elsewhere. Man it’s almost too easy. TTFN!
May 28th, 2007 at 8:57 pmI think the thread is hilarious and that women here are being a little too tough on Mr. President, that can be a pretty likeable and intelligent supporter (but he doesnt like to show that too much).
May 28th, 2007 at 9:05 pmgreat job Waxman, keep the oversight investigations coming.
but when, oh when are we going to see the CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS?
May 28th, 2007 at 9:05 pmWell it has been a real slice, but I gotta go participate in the absolute, crepe hanging over Saint Cindy Sheehan’s demise elsewhere. Man it’s almost too easy. TTFN!
Comment by beefeater
This is how you people support the troops. Defile the name of a woman whose son gave his life for this country. If her son is looking down how do you think it makes him feel, the way you treat the mother he left alone?
May 28th, 2007 at 9:07 pmGod is for sissies.
Real men and women know that religion is a bunch of bull shit invented to maintain control and assuage the reality of the eternal nothingness and abyss.
Scary, but real. Get over it and enjoy life with your fellow humans.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:10 pmSorry Juan, we’ll be more gentle with Mr. President next time. I guess we don’t handle virgins with the same care men do.
Sorry again, I just can’t help myself.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:11 pmSorry again, I just can’t help myself.
Comment by shane
No, I think it is OK, but have you noticed how he takes our sh*t? With some humor, and I respect a lot people that can joke about themselves. Pretty much like hacker bob some months ago.
I was only saying.
May 28th, 2007 at 9:16 pmWhat happened here? Hardly serious talk about oversight.
The premise of oversight is that Official A says she’s telling the truth and doing a heck uv a job and Official B says he’s telling the truth and doing a heck uv a job, but one is lying. Which one?
BTW, Eric Idle’s Not The Messiah opens in Toronto this week. “Always look on the bright side of life.” Was the Messiah a Cross dresser??? (And The Life of Brian has some very sound theology in it, don’t you know?)
May 28th, 2007 at 9:38 pmRep. Waxman is one of the few Democrats in the Congress that has a spine. Unfortunately Rep. Pelosi tries to hinder his investigations like she does to Rep. Conyers. She is too afraid to stand-up to Bush on anything.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:00 pm“Real men and women know that religion is a bunch of bull shit invented to maintain control and assuage the reality of the eternal nothingness and abyss.
Scary, but real. Get over it and enjoy life with your fellow humans.”
Comment by erict
Erict, you seem to be mixing a few concepts. Are you discussing God…or the human institutions of religion? Your arguyment is unclear as to whether you understand the differences and nuances. Are you a public school student?
REAL MEN and WOMEN know that “Progressive” politics was formed to give the state more power and control over the citizenry (i.e. Hugo Chavez and Fidel “Sicko” Castro)…..Those same REAL people know they aren’t the center of the universe or the end all, be all…..
Tooodles…….
May 28th, 2007 at 11:25 pmShane once again mixes fact and fiction. Casey Sheehan did not leave his mother “alone”. He volunteered - twice - and was sadly killed. Then his mother (poor woman!) went round the bend, became BFF with Hugo Chavez and was divorced from Mr. Sheehan. THAT resulted in poor Cindy being left “alone”…….
May 28th, 2007 at 11:30 pmFor some reason, in the context of the above conversation, that comes off as just a bit gay….
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Well, Mr P is FAB-U-LOUS!! :D
May 28th, 2007 at 11:35 pmAhh, Mighty Asshole pulls the “are you a public school student?” card. Lordy girl, you’re not any better than trollie michael with that one. Have you met? He’d like you, hun.
Ok, so I’m not planning on responding to your blather in #119 — is that going to hurt your feelings again? Should I just go ahead and throw something out there?
Nah…
May 28th, 2007 at 11:39 pmTHAT resulted in poor Cindy being left “aloneâ€â€¦â€¦.
Comment by valiant venus
Your respect for the troops sure does flip flop. I should have said left his mother without her son. But then I’m sure you would find another portion of the statement on which to split hairs. You don’t think this dead soldier deserves to have his mother respected. How do you think that would make him feel, to know how you talk about her because she doesn’t agree with your politics. So that basically any parent of a dead soldier is open game if they don’t want to send more soldiers to Iraq. Nobody is ever allowed to disagree with you people. So it’s not enough for them to sacrifice their children, they also have to sacrifice their opinion, morals and ideals. Nice.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:39 pmThen his mother (poor woman!) went round the bend, became BFF with Hugo Chavez and was divorced from Mr. Sheehan
Comment by valiant venus — May 28, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
You have a link for the Chavez story because the rest is all crap.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:42 pm(1) Your arguyment is unclear as to whether you understand the differences and nuances. Are you a public school student?
(2) REAL MEN and WOMEN know that “Progressive†politics was formed to give the state more power and control over the citizenry (i.e. Hugo Chavez and Fidel “Sicko†Castro)…..Those same REAL people know they aren’t the center of the universe or the end all, be all…..
Tooodles…….
Comment by vile vermin
I find the way trolls like VV and michael constantly put down public school education, when their frequent misspellings and bad grammar hardly make a case for the supposed “superiority” of private schooling. And, of course, VV throws a temper tantrum almost every time her bad spelling, grammar and/or punctuation are pointed out.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:43 pmINTELLIGENT MEN AND WOMEN understand the differences between Castro or Chavez and what American progressives/liberals support. And, oh, VV/MA, you don’t seem to mind the government’s control over women’s bodies, or its warrantless wiretapping (even though it has a huge backlog of untranslated intercepted calls because or a dire shortage of people in the US intelligence agencies competent in Arabic or other languages spoken in the Middle East and Afghanistan), do you?
Shane, I respect Casey Sheehan with EVERY ounce of my being…..His mother (pooor woman!) has brought great disrespect UPON HERSELF. When she cozied up to Hugo Chavez, I was unable to dig any deeper for sympathy for HER.
“Nobody is ever allowed to disagree with you people.”
May 28th, 2007 at 11:48 pmYou are toooo funny. Progressives disparage ANYTHING and EVERYTHING traditional about our country and you found yourself able to type those words with a straight face????? You’re such a phony…..
Hey, America had a chance in 2004 to “wake up and smell the coffee.” We knew Bush, et al had lied us into war back then. We knew about the warnings that Iraq would turn into a disaster. We knew about the lying, rule breaking, cronyism and law breaking in the administration, and the Republican party. But “we”, that is, most people who voted, didn’t vote to oust Republicans or George Bush from office. They reelected him.
And we got exactly what we asked for. It’s our own fault for “not knowing he was such a dumbass mofo”.
Republicans are very effective. They will lie, call names, cheat, and impeach for all the wrong reasons.
Democrats are screw ups. They won’t lie, call names, cheat, follow rules or impeach for the RIGHT reasons.
We are SCREWED and we deserve it because we don’t do anything about it.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:50 pmAccidentally left out the word “amusing” in my first line in #123.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:51 pmBTW, Ms. Vermin, my public high school has produced a Nobel Prize-winning scientist, a former Secretary of State, a Newbery Medalist, at least one Pulitzer Prize winner, and I won’t even go into all the Oscar and Emmy winners, since the school has an advantage there, being in southern California. What distinguished graduates has your “superior” private school produced, if any?
valiant venus > tell everybody on here the truth. You are a skinny single lady in San Diego who gets paid to post on TP by Karl Rove.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:53 pmYou are toooo funny. Progressives disparage ANYTHING and EVERYTHING traditional about our country and you found yourself able to type those words with a straight face????? You’re such a phony…..
Comment by vile vermin
Progressives don’t disparage anything and everything traditional about the USA–particularly the Bill of Rights, which neoCONs like yourself are so willing to throw away because of some imagined terror threat. You are too much of a newCON robot even to be funny, humorous-less troll.
May 28th, 2007 at 11:56 pmI could care less about my too rapid typing corrections - I’ll leave that for the anal retentive…..Oh rocket scientist, progressives were the ones defending Hugo Chavez - quit trying to change history….
As for abortion…..women control their own bodies if they choose to sleep around….Should they be fairly bright, they might even take control of their bodies and utilize a concept known as birth control. Abortion is intrinsically evil and is the ultimate in selfishness…..You must be a selfish conservative……
As for my lack of love for public education. The NEA and contemporary teaching methods are determined to DUMB DOWN American school children - - that’s ONE way to narrow the achievement gap…..The other way might eliminate ROTTEN teachers thru firing (and not transferring them to the poorest schools - those teachers are referred to as “lemons”). How about starting teachers at $75K a year and no TENURE. Rewarding the best and most enthusiastic teachers would get rid of the deluge of “C” college students who end up in the classrooms of our country…..How about requiring parental participation (if not in the classroom, helping with “busy” work at home?)
I decided along time ago the problem with the Dem Party was the amazing ability to languish in victimhood…..You want to see victims - go to Darfur…..
May 29th, 2007 at 12:01 amAh hell, Vile Venus, it’s Memorial Day.
Tell us the funny story again about your dead child. We can all recite it by now, but your original telling is the best!
May 29th, 2007 at 12:02 amAh hell, Vile Venus, it’s Memorial Day.
Tell us the funny story again about your dead child. We can all recite it by now, but your original telling is the best!
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 12:02 am
Is this the real Zooey?
Seems a little insensitive regardless if we’re talking about VV.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:06 amLora - Please show us where the “right” to an abortion is in the Constitution…I kept looking for that “right to Privacy” and I couldn’t find it. In short Roe was poorly reasoned Law. But you have to admire a Liberal Supreme Court who pulls legal argument from thin air - what’s next rabbits out of hats??
Nice of you to stick up for poor downtrodden terrorists. They appreciate your efforts to make it easier for them to communicate and transfer money!!!!The Constitution does not mandate we commit national suicide….much to the chagrin of many anti-American Progs….
May 29th, 2007 at 12:08 amZooey > MA/valiant venus still tries to claim she is a lawyer, married to a soldier, and has a bunch of kids, but she is just GOPer single female.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:08 amMr. President > valiant venus told us all a story about one of her children who died, but she actually has NO kids.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:09 amIs this the real Zooey?
Seems a little insensitive regardless if we’re talking about VV.
Comment by Mr. President
It’s the real me, Mr P.
How insensitive is it for a “mother” to tell a funny story about her dead “child.”
Of course, she is no mother, and she has no children.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:10 amZooooey IS an insensitive b*tch - - but since she and her friends have much in common…no one is surprised…….or cares……..
May 29th, 2007 at 12:11 amHis mother (pooor woman!) has brought great disrespect UPON HERSELF. When she cozied up to Hugo Chavez, I was unable to dig any deeper for sympathy for HER.
“Nobody is ever allowed to disagree with you people.â€
You are toooo funny. Progressives disparage ANYTHING and EVERYTHING traditional about our country and you found yourself able to type those words with a straight face????? You’re such a phony…..
Comment by valiant venus
I know you and your dead baby jokes might have trouble understanding this but there is no deeper grief a normal parent can suffer than the loss of a child. She met with Chavez once and you call that “best friends forever”. But frankly you people destroyed the woman before she ever met with him. Only sociopaths would be unable to sympathize with this woman. And people who truly respect the troops would respect the people who have suffered through this loss.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:12 amTruth hurts MA > lol.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:14 amZooooey IS an insensitive b*tch - - but since she and her friends have much in common…no one is surprised…….or cares……..
Comment by valiant venus
Did I miss something? Have Zoo made a joke about a dead kid? Have Zoo not felt any remorse for all the Iraqi civilians dead by a lie? Have Zoo not felt any remorse about all the US soldiers dying for a lost cause?
Sorry to say this, but you need 10 more lives after this one to catch up to Zoo´s humanity.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:15 amComment by Jay Randal — May 29, 2007 @ 12:09 am
Did she make two contradictory statements?
I would not put it past her to make up a story like that, but, how do you know she never had a kid?
Because technically, if s/he had died then VV would no longer have children.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:15 amJay,
My husband is no longer an active duty Marine. He is retired. And you KNOW I have “no children” …because……THAT will come as a surprise to Prince Valiant and the kids….
May 29th, 2007 at 12:16 amZooooey IS an insensitive b*tch - - but since she and her friends have much in common…no one is surprised…….or cares……..
Comment by valiant venus
Heh.
Have I touched a nerve, Haggie?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:16 amAnother win in my column, you lying skank.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 12:10 am
Okay, it just seemed odd reading a post like that from you. But it makes more sense in context.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:18 amYes, Juan, hate to burst your naive bubble but Zoooey is an “insensitive B*TCH”- she made jokes about MY dead child…..The good thing? She lives in Idaho…..I don’t.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:23 amOkay, it just seemed odd reading a post like that from you. But it makes more sense in context.
Comment by Mr. President
She’s been outed as the most vile of liars, and yet she continues to try to peddle this crap, and act like some sort of victim. Every time she does it, she will be exposed by one of us. After the amusing dead child story, we feel no need to be kind — especially those of us who are parents.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:24 amMr President > one of the bloggers on here investigated valiant venus, who used to be mighty aphrodite, and he found out she is a single female and he saw a pic of her too. She never stops lying about having children, but we believe she has pet rats or gerbils that she calls her kids > lol.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:24 amI would not put it past her to make up a story like that, but, how do you know she never had a kid?
Because technically, if s/he had died then VV would no longer have children.
Comment by Mr. President
Somebody who’s ever had a child or lost a child would not disparage Cindy Sheehan for her grief over losing her child.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:24 amZoooette - Your ad hominem attacks don’t carry q
May 29th, 2007 at 12:25 amMy husband is no longer an active duty Marine. He is retired. And you KNOW I have “no children†…because……THAT will come as a surprise to Prince Valiant and the kids….
Comment by valiant venus
Oh so you are able to fabricate an entire family, impressive. But not surprising as shown by the creative misrepresentation of facts appearing in your posts.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:27 amYOU calling somebody else an insensitive bitch is the epitome of irony. Now you are telling Juan that you do have a dead baby when you denied the dead child and the jokes all this time. Pick a story liar and stick with it.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:29 amcon’t = Zooote quite the weight your hairsplitting, nit-picking with unbelievable from a few months ago. Losing your abilities?
Mr. P - I have one deceased child and several other children who are alive. Shane, how dare you presume HOW every other mother would
react???
This thread was flushed long ago………Tooodles………
May 29th, 2007 at 12:29 amvaliant venus > tell the truth and it will set you free. Once you stop lying, then the fog in your brain that defends Bush will vanish. You will feel so much better after you stop lying on here.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:30 amVileVenom, if you don’t like the treatment you receive here please feel free to take your leave at any time. Take your imaginary prince valient etal with you when you go freak.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:31 amShane - your memory is a spotty as your reputation. I have never joked about my “dead child” — I recounted how my son tried to cheer me when he discovered me crying, no more - no less……..No more bongs or beers for you!
Goood night……..
May 29th, 2007 at 12:32 amOuch, valiant venus. Zoooey made jokes about your dead child?! Don’t worry yourself about it. They falsely claim I am not a Korean War vet as well.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:32 amComment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 12:23 am
What happened to your child VV?
And what would give people the impression that you were fabricating the story?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:32 amcon’t = Zooote quite the weight your hairsplitting, nit-picking with unbelievable from a few months ago. Losing your abilities?
Mr. P - I have one deceased child and several other children who are alive. Shane, how dare you presume HOW every other mother would
react???
This thread was flushed long ago………Tooodles………
Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 12:29 am