Conservative religious leaders dominate media coverage.
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Conservative religious leaders dominate media coverage.
Media Matters has published a new report, “Left Behind: The Skewed Representation of Religion in Major News Media,” documenting how conservative religious leaders receive far more media coverage than their progressive counterparts.
Despite the fact most religious Americans are moderate or progressive, in the news media it is overwhelmingly conservative leaders who are presented as the voice of religion. This represents a particularly meaningful distortion since progressive religious leaders tend to focus on different issues and offer an entirely different perspective than their conservative counterparts.
Below, a chart comparing media coverage of the top 10 most widely covered conservative (red) and progressive (blue) religious leaders:
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Color me shocked.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:28 amThat's because we, the American people, want to see and hear true followers of holiness. We do not want to hear hypocrites who believe in supporting homosexuality and breaking laws.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:31 amOnly, Daryll, none of those "blue" religious leader do.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:34 amA$$wipe.
I think this is the first histogram posted on this site that actually shows what it says it shows. Good work, TP
May 29th, 2007 at 11:34 amDaryll-
Let's not cast stones in that glass house, there. If we check the scoreboard, its pretty damn obvious that the Republicans are the people who have the least respect for the law. Read a newspaper.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:36 amNice graph. Tony Perkins is the winner.
Regards,
Coral
http://www.coralpoetry.blogspot.com
May 29th, 2007 at 11:40 amDaryll, how about getting your lazy ass up out of bed Sunday morning and go to Church. Church attendance is down. I wonder why that is?
Your statement contains a glaring error. You said "we, the American people", when you should have said, "we, the science-challenged, heads-stuck-up-our-vertical-cheeks people".
WE, the American people, see you and your crowd for what you really are.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:41 amYou know what's funny? You can change around that headline like Mr. Potato Head, and it's still true.
Religious Conservative Leaders Dominate Media Coverage.
Dominant Conservative Leaers, Religious Media Coverage.
Religious Media Leders, Conservative Coverage Dominant
Religious Leaeders' Coverage, Conservatives Dominate Media
Go ahead, try it!
May 29th, 2007 at 11:41 amWhy do we need to get the views of religion in our news? Don't the interested parties get their information in church?
May 29th, 2007 at 11:41 amThe media seeks to create a simplistic, polarized view of everything. When dealing with any news story the media will annoint two sides, or nowadays just one side, to define the story. All other competing interests are ignored. Gray is not allowed; it must be black and white. It must be Neocon warriors against surrender monkeys. It must be righteous god-fearing Christians vs. godless, hate-filled, baby murderering liberals. It must be the invisible and silent majority of war supporters vs. the drug trafficker George Soros and MoveOn. It must be saving jobs for American families vs. tree huggers destroying jobs. Or it must whatever two unnamed administration officials say it is.
The media should be deeply ashamed of its performance these past 6 years. But they aren't the least bit so. It seriously calls into question the basic character of the people involved, many of whom are preening narcissists.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:42 amAgain, my friends, this is all about who will bring the higher ratings and bigger sales and has little or nothing to do with balance, fairness, or even true religious beliefs.
We live in a society where 'news' is just another component of entertainment.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:43 amOnly, Daryll, none of those “blue†religious leader do.
A$$wipe.
Comment by wags — May 29, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Sure they do. Wasn't abortion recently banned?
May 29th, 2007 at 11:44 amI suspect it is because the loud, self-righteous, arrogant and rude, clearly exemplified by many in the so-called "Evangelical" movement, are like a squeaky wheel--destined to get the media grease as long as we keep putting up their buffoonary.
People who are truly attemting to emulate Christ would possess qualities of humility, decorum, peacefulness, (what are those fruitages of the spirit again? Oh yeah, "love, joy, peace, long-suffering, mildness, self-control, etc.), qualities that apparently don't play well on the small screen and that fail to appeal to our blood-thirsty, intolerant brand of American Christianity.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:44 amBoth 10 and 11 nailed it. (sad to say)
May 29th, 2007 at 11:47 amDaryll, how about getting your lazy ass up out of bed Sunday morning and go to Church. Church attendance is down. I wonder why that is?
Your statement contains a glaring error. You said “we, the American peopleâ€, when you should have said, “we, the science-challenged, heads-stuck-up-our-vertical-cheeks peopleâ€.
WE, the American people, see you and your crowd for what you really are.
Comment by Buck — May 29, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Sir, I attended services yesterday (forsake not the assembling of brethren). Also, we are not mentally challenged. We have learned to accept God's principles. How about you? It's the only path to heaven.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:48 amDaryll... where exactly do you get your cocaine? can I get a hook up on that sh!t?
May 29th, 2007 at 11:50 amWhy do we need to get the views of religion in our news? Don’t the interested parties get their information in church?
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Our government should thrive on biblical principles. We must continue to testify to sinners, and bring them to Christ.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:50 amThe religious groups will be glad to learn the man they got paid to put in office twice stabbed them in the back by supporting Mary Cheney's relationship and the birth of the Dicksters grandson. The Church was paid by Satan and now sees the results. People wondered what Jesus or God would say about the Churches/Pastors taking the money to support a liar and crook like the Bush Administration. As told in the bible and by the past we all pay for our sins in the end. The Church killed Jesus without blinking an eye for the money and yes it's happen again. God even showed his power as Israel prayed for success against Hezbella look at those results and who God choose. Makes you really think when you pray as Farwell did when he asked God for twenty more years as God answered him and he got his answer to that request.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:50 ami really enjoy welton gaddy's show on AirAmericaRadio...
at least i DID... not sure if the newest version has kept it on...
May 29th, 2007 at 11:53 amtoo bad, if not... very informative and worthwhile...
he'd be the first to call out the false prophets and liars...
...
Our government should thrive on biblical principles. We must continue to testify to sinners, and bring them to Christ.
Comment by Daryll
And we should use leeches on our bodies whenever we feel ill.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:53 amI suspect it is because the loud, self-righteous, arrogant and rude, clearly exemplified by many in the so-called “Evangelical†movement, are like a squeaky wheel–destined to get the media grease as long as we keep putting up their buffoonary.
People who are truly attemting to emulate Christ would possess qualities of humility, decorum, peacefulness, (what are those fruitages of the spirit again? Oh yeah, “love, joy, peace, long-suffering, mildness, self-control, etc.), qualities that apparently don’t play well on the small screen and that fail to appeal to our blood-thirsty, intolerant brand of American Christianity.
Comment by Michele — May 29, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Christ was also a God full of vengeance. He's a loving God, but he's also a jealous God. In order to show loyalty, you must follow his biblical laws.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:54 amDaryll,
"It’s the only path to heaven."
No such place
May 29th, 2007 at 11:55 amDaryll-
You say "learning to accept God's principles" is the only way to get into heaven as if there is some reliable source of information you base this claim in (the Bible is not). Heaven does not exist, nor does this fictional God that you so moronically believe cares about individuals' sexual preferences. You religious nuts are all deluded and insane.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:55 amWow, Daryll attended church on Monday! What religion is that again?
May 29th, 2007 at 11:55 amDaryll… where exactly do you get your cocaine? can I get a hook up on that sh!t?
Comment by hil — May 29, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Trust me, I have some better than any drug on earth. It's called the holy spirit. If you truly seek God, you can receive it, as well.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:56 amWasn’t abortion recently banned?
Comment by Daryll
No.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:56 amOur government should thrive on biblical principles. We must continue to testify to sinners, and bring them to Christ.
Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Oh, you mean like the Crusades and Inquisition? Yeah. That's a real bring spot in religious history. I encourage you to spout that off whenever you want to look stupid. Do you know anything about religion outside of some memorized passages?
May 29th, 2007 at 11:57 amDaryll, church services on Monday? I went both Sunday morning for Sunday school and Sunday evening.
Thank God my fellow church members love America. They seem to have a clear understanding that 'WE', as in "We the people..." stands for one and all, and not for just a few that spend way too much time being judgmental of others (which happens to be a sin).
But this forum isn't about yours (or my) beliefs. It all boils down to Separation of Church and State. Something I have no problem with.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:57 amSir, I attended services yesterday ....
Comment by Daryll
Wasn't yesterday Monday and not Sunday?
What church has services on Monday?
May 29th, 2007 at 11:58 ami really enjoy welton gaddy’s show on AirAmericaRadio…
at least i DID… not sure if the newest version has kept it on…
too bad, if not… very informative and worthwhile…
he’d be the first to call out the false prophets and liars…
…
Comment by katy — May 29, 2007 @ 11:53 am
Has he truly searched his own soul?
May 29th, 2007 at 11:58 amOur government should thrive on biblical principles. We must continue to testify to sinners, and bring them to Christ.
Comment by Daryll
How's the recruitment effort coming along, Daryll?
So you like the whole Taliban idea, huh? Good for you! Tiffany will be thrilled.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:59 amTrust me, I have some better than any drug on earth. It’s called the holy spirit. If you truly seek God, you can receive it, as well.
Comment by Daryll
Daryll's been sniffing God.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:00 pmDaryll,
“It’s the only path to heaven.â€
No such place
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 11:55 am
It will be known, very soon. Judgement Day is drawing nigh.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:00 pmI think someone should take the very sage advice given by Ron White to his homophobic cousin ... 'next time you have a thought... let it go.'
May 29th, 2007 at 12:00 pm"In order to show loyalty, you must follow his biblical laws."
No, Darryll, you must love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
I'm not feeling the love, Daryll. You can keep sacrificing those doves, or whatever your modern equivalent is, but without love, you are as a clanging bell.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:03 pmChrist was also a God full of vengeance. He’s a loving God, but he’s also a jealous God. In order to show loyalty, you must follow his biblical laws.
Comment by Daryll
Vengence is a human idea. Something done for percieved wrongs.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIs God petty? According to you he is.
Jealousy is a character flaw. If God is perfect, why should he be jealous of any of his own creation?
And Christ is not God, according to the Bible, but the son of God.
Can you keep your own religion straight?
Didn't think so.
Our government should thrive on biblical principles. We must continue to testify to sinners, and bring them to Christ.
Comment by Daryll
How’s the recruitment effort coming along, Daryll?
So you like the whole Taliban idea, huh? Good for you! Tiffany will be thrilled.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 11:59 am
Sunday, we saved 12 souls. I can't wait to save souls in Rio (Dec 18-24). We will visit the favelas to testify about Jesus' works. Beware, Termas (4x4, Luomos, Solarium, etc.), Escort Services, and Club Help, we're coming for you. We may agitate other vacationers who want to commit fornication or adultery, but Jesus' word will be brought forth, and we will attempt to close these sexual establishments.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI have to assume Ted Haggard's numbers are from before he was busted doing crank with a gay hooker, although now that Ted's a successfully reformed homosexual, the MSM probably loves him more. Charles Colson's one of Nixon's Watergate casualties who found God in prison. Nothing wrong with that, but apparently Jesus forgot to mention that being rightwing is not Jesus-like.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:07 pmChrist was also a God full of vengeance. He’s a loving God, but he’s also a jealous God. In order to show loyalty, you must follow his biblical laws.
Comment by Daryll
Vengence is a human idea. Something done for percieved wrongs.
Is God petty? According to you he is.
Jealousy is a character flaw. If God is perfect, why should he be jealous of any of his own creation?
And Christ is not God, according to the Bible, but the son of God.
Can you keep your own religion straight?
Didn’t think so.
Comment by Wayne — May 29, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Christ, Lord, God and Savior are titles used to describe Jesus. Per the bible, there is only one God and his name is Jesus.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pmChrist was also a God full of vengeance. He’s a loving God, but he’s also a jealous God. In order to show loyalty, you must follow his biblical laws.
Comment by Daryll
Vengence is a human idea. Something done for percieved wrongs.
Is God petty? According to you he is.
Jealousy is a character flaw. If God is perfect, why should he be jealous of any of his own creation?
And Christ is not God, according to the Bible, but the son of God.
Can you keep your own religion straight?
Didn’t think so.
Comment by Wayne — May 29, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Jesus becomes a jealous God when you decide to put other Gods before him (religious symbols, money, material things, ect.).
May 29th, 2007 at 12:12 pmI have to assume Ted Haggard’s numbers are from before he was busted doing crank with a gay hooker, although now that Ted’s a successfully reformed homosexual, the MSM probably loves him more. Charles Colson’s one of Nixon’s Watergate casualties who found God in prison. Nothing wrong with that, but apparently Jesus forgot to mention that being rightwing is not Jesus-like.
Comment by NoOneYouKnow — May 29, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Jesus had conservative views.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:13 pmthere is only one God and his name is Jesus.
Comment by Daryll
It is hilarious, the amount of ignorance you have of your own claimed religion.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:14 pmIt's funny that the Conservatives' elected leader, President Bush, speaks like a Christian but almost NONE of Bush's policies are in line with the teachings of Jesus.
I guess I haven't found the Biblical passage where Jesus asks us to "Cast out your downtrodden brothers, for they do not have the proper paperwork to be considered citizens and should therefore be arrested." Or maybe I missed Jesus teaching us, "You who are wealthy should be given additional tax breaks, in that way you will become wealthier on the backs of the poorest among us." Or, "Raise your sword against thy enemies."
None of these sound at all like, "Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me." Or, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God."
May 29th, 2007 at 12:15 pmSunday, we saved 12 souls.
Eating cookies and drinking juice after services ain't saving souls, Daryll. Wait to see if they come back....
I can’t wait to save souls in Rio (Dec 18-24). We will visit the favelas to testify about Jesus’ works. Beware, Termas (4×4, Luomos, Solarium, etc.), Escort Services, and Club Help, we’re coming for you. We may agitate other vacationers who want to commit fornication or adultery, but Jesus’ word will be brought forth, and we will attempt to close these sexual establishments.
Comment by Daryll
You know what, Daryll? I really do hope you survive your trip to the favelas of Brazil. Send us a postcard, eh?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:15 pmSilly libs, don't you know only fake christians matter when it comes to TV?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:17 pmJesus had conservative views.
Comment by Daryll
No, Daryll, he didn't. Some examples:
Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist
not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]
The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]
Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
May 29th, 2007 at 12:20 pmyou too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]
It’s funny that the Conservatives’ elected leader, President Bush, speaks like a Christian but almost NONE of Bush’s policies are in line with the teachings of Jesus.
I guess I haven’t found the Biblical passage where Jesus asks us to “Cast out your downtrodden brothers, for they do not have the proper paperwork to be considered citizens and should therefore be arrested.†Or maybe I missed Jesus teaching us, “You who are wealthy should be given additional tax breaks, in that way you will become wealthier on the backs of the poorest among us.†Or, “Raise your sword against thy enemies.â€
None of these sound at all like, “Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me.†Or, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.â€
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — May 29, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Hey, the wealthy became successful off blood, sweat and tears. If anything, you should thank them for stabilizing our economy.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:20 pm#47. Spoken like a fake Christian.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:20 pmDaryll must be dumbfounded trying to defend Bush' policies in light of the teachings of Jesus. Not surprising, since Jesus' teachings were not those of Conservatives.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:22 pmJesus had conservative views.
Comment by Daryll
No, Daryll, he didn’t. Some examples:
Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist
not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]
The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]
Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
You forgot Romans (homosexuality), the other ten commandments, Corinthians (re-marriage and divorce), etc. Please cease picking and choosing scriptures.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:23 pmHey, the wealthy became successful off blood, sweat and tears. If anything, you should thank them for stabilizing our economy.
Comment by Daryll
Matthew 19: 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
As I said before, the ignorance of your own religion is hilarious
May 29th, 2007 at 12:24 pmDespite the fact most religious Americans are moderate or progressive, in the news media it is overwhelmingly conservative leaders who are presented as the voice of religion. This represents a particularly meaningful distortion since progressive religious leaders tend to focus on different issues and offer an entirely different perspective than their conservative counterparts.
thinkprogress.org
"Despite the fact that most religious Americans are moderat or progressive..."? really? where is the study? where is the source for this?
Really? Most of us are NOT religious and most religious individuals fall on the right of center.
I wonder if thinkprogress.org would be willing to post the study that shows this.
doubt it.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:25 pmDaryl
another repressed, brain washed automatron for Jesus.
Dumber than dirt like all the right wingers.
Look at all the criminals, pedophiles and closet homosexuals produced by this bunch. ABORTION IS STILL LEGAL.
All you "prolifers" are not prolife at all, not one of you cares about life. Once all those unwanted babies you are trying to save are born not one of you is there to pay for and support them in LIFE. You could care less about the LIFE of the woman who is carrying the UNBORN fetus. You can't selectively be "prolife" and be believable. Where are all the "prolifers" once that child is born? NOWHERE to be found.
Keep believing in your fairy tales Daryl, your ilk are nothing but dishonest, lying criminals.
Try reading the Sermon on the Mount and stop using Jesus to cover for your Nazi agenda.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:27 pmHey, the wealthy became successful off blood, sweat and tears. If anything, you should thank them for stabilizing our economy.
Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
That's as close as you've ever come to an interesting point, Daryll -- too bad it has NOTHING to do with the quotes offered: “Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me.†Or, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.†You just kind of ignored that little disconnect, the one between captialism and the Christian call to serve the poor.
But that's okay -- after all, your goal as a Christian is "loyalty" rather than actual Christ-like behavior. Which sounds about right for a conservative.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:29 pm#47. Spoken like a fake Christian.
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — May 29, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
Pertaining to taxes, more tax money is being received from an individual who purchases a Maybach ($ 300,000) than an indivual who leases an Acura ($40,000). Libs, please thank the rich citizens for keeping our economy stable.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:29 pm"You forgot Romans (homosexuality), the other ten commandments, Corinthians (re-marriage and divorce), etc."
Hey, Darryl, how come you didn't reference any of the gospels?
The question was about Jesus - why didn't you point us towards the parts of the Bible where Jesus denounces homosexuals, since that's what the subject was?
Would you care to answer this question for the readers, or should I?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:29 pmHey, the wealthy became successful off blood, sweat and tears. If anything, you should thank them for stabilizing our economy.
Comment by Daryll
Matthew 19: 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
As I said before, the ignorance of your own religion is hilarious
Comment by Wayne — May 29, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
It stated that it was "hard" not "impossible".
May 29th, 2007 at 12:30 pmYou forgot Romans (homosexuality), the other ten commandments, Corinthians (re-marriage and divorce), etc. Please cease picking and choosing scriptures.
Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
And YOU forgot that ALL of the texts you cited above were the views of PAUL, not Jesus. Nice try, though.
Ah, on second thought it wasn't even a nice try.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:30 pmJesus had conservative views.
Comment by Daryll
No, Daryll, he didn’t. Some examples:
Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist
not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]
The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]
Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
1) Why are you quoting from the Bible, by your own admittance you believe it is a joke, mythology. Stop being a hypocrite.
2) I am sure that Jesus Christ would be pleased with the millions upon millions of abortions, killing of innocents being performed by and pushed by the left wingers of America. Don't you be a hypocrite and quote "Thou shall not kill" when the left wing in America is more than ok with killing innocent human babies, whose only "crime" was being conceived.
3)I find it hillarious when the left who hate Christ, hate religion, etc try to tell Christians how to be good Christian.
4)Stop being the typical left winger and stop quoting from the Bible the parts of it that support your ideology. There are many parts of the Bible in which war was necessary to stop evil. Might want to look at the creation of Israel and how it has to fight war, after war, after war to stop evil.
The Beatitudes, which you quote, are but a small part in a very big and complicated book and religion.
I would suggest that you stop being a simpleton and that you run off and get an education.
try to study some theology before you speak of that which you don't know.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:31 pmDaryll can't do it! He cannot defend Bush's policies based on the teachings of Jesus. Bwaaahahaha! Conservatives have to pick and choose, mostly from the Old Testament, to find anything to support their positions, whereas Liberals can simply point to the teachings of Jesus. Hahaha!
May 29th, 2007 at 12:37 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats: I am a CHRISTIAN. In fact, my political views are more in line with Jesus' teaching than are yours. God will judge you, so you should probably repent and begin voting for politicians who actually care for the poor of this world.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:39 pm“You forgot Romans (homosexuality), the other ten commandments, Corinthians (re-marriage and divorce), etc.â€
Hey, Darryl, how come you didn’t reference any of the gospels?
The question was about Jesus - why didn’t you point us towards the parts of the Bible where Jesus denounces homosexuals, since that’s what the subject was?
Would you care to answer this question for the readers, or should I?
Comment by joe — May 29, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
why don't you quote for us where Jesus said that war was bad? I mean you seem to know what Jesus said, right? so do point to the place where Jesus said, "War is evil."
I won't hold my breath.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:39 pmOur government should thrive on biblical principles.
Comment by Daryll
I'll ask you the question I ask all "Our laws are based on the Bible" apologists...
Does the Bible have a commandment against rape?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:40 pmIf so, which one is it?
If not, why not?
Daryll can’t do it! He cannot defend Bush’s policies based on the teachings of Jesus. Bwaaahahaha! Conservatives have to pick and choose, mostly from the Old Testament, to find anything to support their positions, whereas Liberals can simply point to the teachings of Jesus. Hahaha!
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — May 29, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
pick and choose? You can't be this stupid, Bitch? your name is quite fitting.
did you not see what you left wing friends just did, but pick and choose quotes from the Bible to fit their agenda?
typical liberal, too blinded by ideology to see his own hypocrisy.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:40 pmDaryll: you should really thank Bill Clinton for creating a strong economy. He did much more than Bush. He was a true leader.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmJesus had conservative views.
Comment by Daryll
No, Daryll, he didn’t. Some examples:
Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist
not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]
The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]
Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
1) Why are you quoting from the Bible, by your own admittance you believe it is a joke, mythology. Stop being a hypocrite.
2) I am sure that Jesus Christ would be pleased with the millions upon millions of abortions, killing of innocents being performed by and pushed by the left wingers of America. Don’t you be a hypocrite and quote “Thou shall not kill†when the left wing in America is more than ok with killing innocent human babies, whose only “crime†was being conceived.
3)I find it hillarious when the left who hate Christ, hate religion, etc try to tell Christians how to be good Christian.
4)Stop being the typical left winger and stop quoting from the Bible the parts of it that support your ideology. There are many parts of the Bible in which war was necessary to stop evil. Might want to look at the creation of Israel and how it has to fight war, after war, after war to stop evil.
The Beatitudes, which you quote, are but a small part in a very big and complicated book and religion.
I would suggest that you stop being a simpleton and that you run off and get an education.
try to study some theology before you speak of that which you don’t know.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Sorry, but I'm a conservative. I do not have liberal views. How about you? You seem to have liberal views.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmThese are some funny comments. I wonder as Rev. Farwell said he asked God for twenty more years yet died shortly after have any of you heard from him lately. No one in the White House is using the teaching of Jesus or God, maybe that's why things are going to hell in a hand basket. Judas was paid and the GOP/Church/Media was paid with those pieces of gold to spread the word of Satan. It's no surprise yet interesting that comments are so weird. I guess Bush/Cheney succeeded in dumbing down Americans.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmDaryll is a perfect example of conservatism's ultimate goal: to provide a superior moral justification for their own selfishness.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmleftwingnut
who are you to tell anyone to stop quoting the bible? How dare you. You can't defend even your own beliefs!
just another racist nazi masquerading as a Christian and waving the bible around as a cover. Lying, corrupt criminals one and all. I hope there is a Hell because all of you will end up there with your sleazy corrupt pal Falwell.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmDaryll,
I am on your side. I have to laugh at the level of stupidity from the left, don't you?
I mean here they are countless of them who constantly attack Christianity and Christians trying to quote the Bible and telling true Christians how to behave.
ahhh the hypocrisy of the left, it is never ending.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:43 pmDaryll: you should really thank Bill Clinton for creating a strong economy. He did much more than Bush. He was a true leader.
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — May 29, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Clinton only did one thing, interns. The economy was strong in the 1990s thanks to the Republican control Congress, nothing to do with Bill.
and as for Bush's economy, please it is as strong if not stronger than Bill's. Stop spewing left wing propaganda.
and as for you being a Christina, I very much doubt it. If you were, you wouldn't be saying the crap that you are saying.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:45 pmDaryll,
I am on your side. I have to laugh at the level of stupidity from the left, don’t you?
I mean here they are countless of them who constantly attack Christianity and Christians trying to quote the Bible and telling true Christians how to behave.
ahhh the hypocrisy of the left, it is never ending.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
Amen to that, brother.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:46 pmleftwingnut
who are you to tell anyone to stop quoting the bible? How dare you. You can’t defend even your own beliefs!
just another racist nazi masquerading as a Christian and waving the bible around as a cover. Lying, corrupt criminals one and all. I hope there is a Hell because all of you will end up there with your sleazy corrupt pal Falwell.
Comment by Ginko — May 29, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Is this the best you have? typical left wing crap, calling anyone on the right a Nazi? you know how old this tactic is? it dates as far back as the Bolshevik revolution. Please try to be original. The communist have been calling nazis anyone and everyone that disagrees with their ideology.
anyway, I am waiting for you to quote where in the Gospels Jesus said, "War is evil"
May 29th, 2007 at 12:47 pmIt stated that it was “hard†not “impossibleâ€.
Comment by Daryll
it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle ...
It is astounding your ignorance of your own religion.....
May 29th, 2007 at 12:47 pmProgressive religous leader-isn't that an oxymoron?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:48 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats,
"I am on your side. I have to laugh at the level of arrogance from the right, don’t you?
I mean here they are countless of them who constantly attack rationality and reasonableness by quoting the Bible and telling everyone on the planet how to behave.
ahhh the arrogance of the right, it is never ending."
May 29th, 2007 at 12:49 pmThese are some funny comments. I wonder as Rev. Farwell said he asked God for twenty more years yet died shortly after have any of you heard from him lately. No one in the White House is using the teaching of Jesus or God, maybe that’s why things are going to hell in a hand basket. Judas was paid and the GOP/Church/Media was paid with those pieces of gold to spread the word of Satan. It’s no surprise yet interesting that comments are so weird. I guess Bush/Cheney succeeded in dumbing down Americans.
Comment by Jackie — May 29, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Jackie, another hypocrite from the left.
The left doesn't mind preaching in Churches, Clinton, Kerry, Obama, etc, etc, are constantly going into Baptists churches and preaching about politics.
The right may have had Falwell, but the left has Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, who constantly mix religion and politics.
Incredible how the left cries about seperation of Church and State when they want to shut down the right wing, but could careless that their own politicians constantly mix religion and politics.
why the hypocrisy, you simple minded left wing nuts?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:49 pmIt stated that it was “hard†not “impossibleâ€.
Comment by Daryll
it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle …
It is astounding your ignorance of your own religion…..
Comment by Wayne — May 29, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Wayne,
retard, the use of the word "easier" does not equal to impossible. Just admit who you are, a stupid left wing moonbat that spews propaganda from the left.
wow, the level of stupidity coming from the left wing moonbats.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:51 pmand as for you being a Christina, I very much doubt it. If you were, you wouldn’t be saying the crap that you are saying.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
It's funny, but you speak like your opinion matters. You are bias against liberals, and you have a knack of hypocrisy (because you are the ideal representative of that failing quality), so thank GOD your opinion does not matter.
And I don't think that user is really a Christina...maybe more of a Paula or Rebecca?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:51 pmMy italics skillz kicks assz.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:52 pmLOL as if wither Daryl or leftwingnut have two nickels to rub together. They are both typing from their trailer waiting on their govt. check and eating govt. cheese.
Nazis neocons had blind faith just like you wingers do. You locksteppers are not capable of reasoned independant thought, if you were there is no way you would support such a corrupt criminal like Bushie.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:53 pmProgressive religous leader-isn’t that an oxymoron?
Comment by timmy — May 29, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
It is and it isn't. the left wing in America don't care about religion, as long as tha treligion falls in-line with their left wing ideology.
they could careless that Bill Clinton constantly invoked the name of God, way more times than Bush, why? because Bill is on their side.
The left could careless that constantly on the campaign trail and in many other occassions, left wingers like Barack Obama give political speeches in Baptist and other types of religious Churches. Kerry, Edward, and many other left wing politicians do this, but the left doesn't care. They only care when Bush or another Republican says something about God.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:54 pmand as for you being a Christina, I very much doubt it. If you were, you wouldn’t be saying the crap that you are saying.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
It’s funny, but you speak like your opinion matters. You are bias against liberals, and you have a knack of hypocrisy (because you are the ideal representative of that failing quality), so thank GOD your opinion does not matter.
And I don’t think that user is really a Christina…maybe more of a Paula or Rebecca?
Comment by Barbarian — May 29, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
My italics skillz kicks assz.
Comment by Barbarian — May 29, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
hmmmm....and you left wingers do the same thing, constantly speak as if your opinion mattered.
shit, thinkprogress.org believes that this joke of a webiste and the pathetic left wing moonbats that post on here matter. Little do they know that their opinion really doesn't matter.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:55 pmComment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
1) Why are you quoting from the Bible, by your own admittance you believe it is a joke, mythology. Stop being a hypocrite.
Did Zooey ever admit that she believes the Bible is a joke? Can someone clear this up? Zoo? What say you?
2) I am sure that Jesus Christ would be pleased with the millions upon millions of abortions, killing of innocents being performed by and pushed by the left wingers of America. Don’t you be a hypocrite and quote “Thou shall not kill†when the left wing in America is more than ok with killing innocent human babies, whose only “crime†was being conceived.
And this excuses the Right's bear-hug of Christianity while cheerleading a war of choice HOW? I understand WHY you would want to ignore that point, but really, it only makes you feel better, it doesn't make a convincing argument of any kind.
3)I find it hillarious when the left who hate Christ, hate religion, etc try to tell Christians how to be good Christian.
I find it hilarious when wingnuts claim things that are demonstrably untrue and then wave them about as if they were facts. The fact is, there are millions of observant Christians, Jews and Muslims (although the last two probably don't count for you) who are politically liberal because their faith points them in that direction. The fact that those who are not religious would be drawn to a political view that takes seriously their right to dissent is no surprise, but neither should it impugn the religious sincerity of the millions of religious liberals. (Just as the fact that racist Americans would be drawn to the Republican party should not impugn the racial values of mainstream Republicans.)
4)Stop being the typical left winger and stop quoting from the Bible the parts of it that support your ideology. There are many parts of the Bible in which war was necessary to stop evil. Might want to look at the creation of Israel and how it has to fight war, after war, after war to stop evil.
You're right. WE should give a fuller, more balanced picture of the Bible and leave it to right-wingers to freely quote only those "the parts of it that support your ideology" right? Yes, there are parts of the Bible that celebrate warfare. But how many of those parts are in the words of Jesus? You know Jesus, the Christ ? the guy for whom the Christian religion is named? Seems to me that if you want to be a true Christian you're going to want to follow Christ. And if you're going to follow Christ, you're going to want to pay attention to WHAT CHRIST SAID. The Old Testament should be secondary to a Christian, right?
The Beatitudes, which you quote, are but a small part in a very big and complicated book and religion.
True, but they are among the very few sections of this "big and complicated book" that report words actually attributed to Jesus Christ. Therefore, perhaps a Christian might take them a bit more seriously than all the rest of it.
I would suggest that you stop being a simpleton and that you run off and get an education.
try to study some theology before you speak of that which you don’t know.
We poor uneducated libs should take your kind-hearted admonishments to heart. After all your words come from a true loving Christian heart, right? Thanks for your generosity, such as it is.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:56 pmNazis neocons had blind faith just like you wingers do. You locksteppers are not capable of reasoned independant thought, if you were there is no way you would support such a corrupt criminal like Bushie.
Comment by Ginko — May 29, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Blind faith? Ginko, ginko, my little communist fool. It is you the one that is full of blind faith. Your blind faith on sites like this joe of a site, your blind faith on your left wing leaders makes you sound like an idiot and a stupid fool.
incredible that an idiot like Ginko is trying to make fun of others for supposedly having blind faith. Look in the mirror Ginko. It is your blind faith on the left wing ideology that is your undoing, my child.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:57 pmIt is your blind faith on the left wing ideology that is your undoing, my child.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
Condescend much?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:01 pm1) Why are you quoting from the Bible, by your own admittance you believe it is a joke, mythology. Stop being a hypocrite.
Oh, quoting the bible is an exclusive right to biblle thumping hypocrites?
How would you know anything about me? Are you a regular commenter using yet another name? Show me where I have said the bible is a joke. I have siad it's mythology.
2) I am sure that Jesus Christ would be pleased with the millions upon millions of abortions, killing of innocents being performed by and pushed by the left wingers of America. Don’t you be a hypocrite and quote “Thou shall not kill†when the left wing in America is more than ok with killing innocent human babies, whose only “crime†was being conceived.
I'm sure your Jesus would be so disappointed in you right now.
3)I find it hillarious when the left who hate Christ, hate religion, etc try to tell Christians how to be good Christian.
I don't hate god, jesus, christians, or you. You can't say the same thing. I'm more christian than you are.
4)Stop being the typical left winger and stop quoting from the Bible the parts of it that support your ideology. There are many parts of the Bible in which war was necessary to stop evil. Might want to look at the creation of Israel and how it has to fight war, after war, after war to stop evil.
Sorry, this is America. I do and say what I want -- just like you do. Like you don't quote from the bible to support your crap.
The Beatitudes, which you quote, are but a small part in a very big and complicated book and religion.
Hence, the reason I said those were a few examples. Idiot.
I would suggest that you stop being a simpleton and that you run off and get an education.
Suggest away...
try to study some theology before you speak of that which you don’t know.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
I suggest you f*ck off, you lying hypocritical pseudo-christian.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:02 pmwow, the level of stupidity coming from the left wing moonbats.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
Enlighten us, please. Daryll refuses to answer, so I'll ask you the question I ask all “Our laws are based on the Bible†apologists…
Does the Bible have a commandment against rape?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:03 pmIf so, which one is it?
If not, why not?
Leftwingersaremoonbats = valiantthehater
'nuff said.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:04 pmComment by Zooey
You are on fire, lady. ;)
May 29th, 2007 at 1:06 pmZooey,
"Leftwingersaremoonbats = valiantthehater"
obviously!!!
May 29th, 2007 at 1:06 pmWe poor uneducated libs should take your kind-hearted admonishments to heart. After all your words come from a true loving Christian heart, right? Thanks for your generosity, such as it is.
Comment by KRank
Thanks, KRank. These pseudo-christians are a hateful bunch, aren't they?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:07 pmwow, the level of stupidity coming from the left wing moonbats.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
Enlighten us, please. Daryll refuses to answer, so I’ll ask you the question I ask all “Our laws are based on the Bible†apologists…
Does the Bible have a commandment against rape?
If so, which one is it?
If not, why not?
Comment by Newt Gringo — May 29, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Here is a clue, read the 10 Commandments, study them, learn what they mean. After you do this, you will find out where in Christianity, rape is considered wrong, evil, etc.
stop being such a simpleton fool.
now you may want to enlighten everyone here, where in the Bible do we find Jesus say, "War is evil".
May 29th, 2007 at 1:07 pmComment by Zooey
You are on fire, lady. ;)
Comment by Juan C — May 29, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
So, Zooey can't defend her stupid stances and now claims that I am someone she hates or something.
How typical of the left wingers. No matter the left wing moonbat site one posts in, you all sound and look the same. How sad for you all.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:08 pm"why don’t you quote for us where Jesus said that war was bad?"
Because I never made the argument that the "Prince of Peace" had denounced war, that's why.
On the other hand, Patrick1 DID make the argument that Jesus had denounced homosexuality.
Bit of a difference there, you know.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:09 pmYou are on fire, lady. ;)
Comment by Juan C
Heh. :-)
I'm sure Leftwingersaremoonbats would suggest I'm burning in hell.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI'm saving him a seat -- closest to the fire.
haha typical winger, no real answer or response to any question but they bring up Clinton. I would take my Prez lying about a blow job any day of the week over lying about actual Pres. business. Bush and his locksteppers are so incredibly corrupt they have nearly brought our country down. The 20%ers are the dumbest people in America, not one of them deserves to hold office. Every day another one is indicted. Money grubbing criminals that they are. Got a little TOO greedy trying to take over the Justice dept. and got caught. HA. HA. HA. We are going to nail you bastids, every one of you. Does you God approve of your representatives lying to Congress? The things you do in the name of Jesus, it's disgusting.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:09 pmEvery Rethug in the Congressional hearings was willing to SUPPORT the lying criminals who have invaded our Justice dept. and broke many laws in the process yet even faced with the hard facts and proof they continue to support these criminals saying, "move along, nothing to see here" which really means, move along you are getting too close to uncovering all our crimes, please stop looking before you find the evidence of how we rigged the last two elections to get this criminal in the White House. They are all criminals using Jesus as their cover.
Nothing they do or say is Christianlike.
The 80% will prevail, thank GOD.
I suggest you f*ck off, you lying hypocritical pseudo-christian.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
typical of a left wing moonbat. You can't give an intelligent respond, so you go off the deep end and make a laughable attempt at insulting those you disagree with.
how typical of the simple minded left wingers.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:09 pmWe poor uneducated libs should take your kind-hearted admonishments to heart. After all your words come from a true loving Christian heart, right? Thanks for your generosity, such as it is.
Comment by KRank
Thanks, KRank. These pseudo-christians are a hateful bunch, aren’t they?
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Zooey, you are kidding right? a left winger claiming that we are hateful? Now that is a funny joke, right? you are trying to be funny, hypocrite.
The hate from the left towards Bush, Republicans, Christians, etc on this site would be laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic.
typical left wing hypocrite.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:11 pmComment by Ginko — May 29, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
and that is your problem child. You have been conditioned to believe that the only thing Bill Clinton lied about was a blow job. How truly sad and stupid of you.
Clinton did a good number on you, so did the left wing media and the Democrats. You have been coco washed to believe the left wing propaganda.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:13 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats,
"where in the Bible do we find Jesus say, “War is evilâ€."
Well he did say 'turn the other cheek'.
But I can show in the bible where one could stone their child for mouthing off, or stone their wife for being unpure on the night of the wedding.
Everyone picks and chooses bible versus based on their own moral compass. To be a literalist of that book, would be to condone stoning of children. Is that you? I doubt it. So can everyone get off their "I know what is really intended by the bible" high horse? It takes a certain arrogance to think that anyone actually is the one who gets the bible's intent correct.
I'm quite sure that during the inquisistion, the church justified their horrible actions by quoting the bible. So let's stop with this already.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:13 pmBACK! BACK to the Dark Ages and Spanish (Catholic) Inquisition!
BACK!
-Conservatism-
May 29th, 2007 at 1:14 pmThe 80% will prevail, thank GOD.
Comment by Ginko — May 29, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
oh please, stop spewing polls. If we go by polls, only 29% of Americans approve of the Democratic led Congress. idiot. this means that 70% of Americans are against your Democratic led Congress.
think about that, fool, before you keep on spewing left wing propaganda.
you sound like a 15 year old pimple face kid.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:15 pmSunday, we saved 12 souls. I can’t wait to save souls in Rio (Dec 18-24). We will visit the favelas to testify about Jesus’ works. Beware, Termas (4×4, Luomos, Solarium, etc.), Escort Services, and Club Help, we’re coming for you.
Comment by Monsignor Daryll of 2 Secondland — May 29, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
First, nice advertisment of places you'll be visiting in Rio (though ,why do I doubt it will be to "save" souls). Geez, if I were not married, or not faithful, I would now know where to visit. (and another point, how does one in your church "learn" about such places? Ton of "research" on the internets?)
Second, congrats on "personally" saving 12 souls. Now, here's my questions for you.
Were they saved by personally accepting and developing a relationship with Jesus Christ, as their savior, or are they just conforming to your church's rules and regulations?
Big difference, ya know.
Third, since you pick and choose quotes from the Bible, you have yet to answer my question posed to you months ago. I'll ask, again:
May 29th, 2007 at 1:18 pmDaryll, am I going to H E Double L because I am married to a woman who is once divorced?
Leftwingersaremoonbats = valiantthehater
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
and daryll is a parody... let the 2 of them hash it out here...
’nuff said.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:18 pmComment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
Where did Jesus advocate war?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:18 pmyou sound like a 15 year old pimple face kid.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats aka valiantthehater — May 29, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
...and this right here shows us the true compassionate (c)hristian. (note: I, for one, do not capitalize the C for pseudo-christians, as
they are not true followers. In fact, are the true misleaders)
Shall I point out that everyone of your post is negative, hate filled, and full of name calling.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:22 pmWhat part of "love thy neighbor" do you not understand???
Leftwingersaremoonbats,
“where in the Bible do we find Jesus say, “War is evilâ€.â€
Well he did say ‘turn the other cheek’.
But I can show in the bible where one could stone their child for mouthing off, or stone their wife for being unpure on the night of the wedding.
Everyone picks and chooses bible versus based on their own moral compass. To be a literalist of that book, would be to condone stoning of children. Is that you? I doubt it. So can everyone get off their “I know what is really intended by the bible†high horse? It takes a certain arrogance to think that anyone actually is the one who gets the bible’s intent correct.
I’m quite sure that during the inquisistion, the church justified their horrible actions by quoting the bible. So let’s stop with this already.
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Crump, by all means, show us the chapter, verse and line where you can find in the Bible that a child should be stoned for mouthing off.
and as for the Inquistion, please, please, please!!! the Inquistion was humane, it was Heaven compared to the secular punishments of the same time!! to the punishment that civilian authorities used.
why aren't you complaining about these secular punishments, eh?
complete and utter ignorance.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:23 pmDaryll’s been sniffing God.
Comment by Zooey
That's because he thinks God is a tube of glue.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:23 pmHere is a clue, read the 10 Commandments, study them, learn what they mean. After you do this, you will find out where in Christianity, rape is considered wrong, evil, etc.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
Commandment 1 - Doesn't ban rape
Commandment 2 - Doesn't ban rape
Commandment 3 - Doesn't ban rape
Commandment 4 - Doesn't ban rape
Commandment 5 - Doesn't ban rape
Commandment 6 - Doesn't ban rape
Commandment 7 - Doesn't ban rape
Commandment 8 - Doesn't ban rape
Commandment 9 - Doesn't ban rape
Commandment 10 - Doesn't ban rape
So according to these commandments, these rules upon which you base all of your actions, and which you follow in order to cakewalk into heaven when you're dead, rape is OK.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:24 pmIt will be known, very soon. Judgement Day is drawing nigh.
Comment by Daryll
Thanks Daryll, good to know what the American Taliban thinks.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:24 pmDaryll refuses to answer, so I’ll ask you the question I ask all “Our laws are based on the Bible†apologists…
Does the Bible have a commandment against rape?
If so, which one is it?
If not, why not?
Comment by Newt Gringo — May 29, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Newt, good question. Here's an interesting exercise: let's go through the Ten Commnadments one by one and see how many actually relate to our laws. I'm sure it will be an educational experience for teh wingnuts, since they often trumpet the Ten Commandments but then can't list them.
1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
In our laws? Nope. The establishment of a state religion is expressly forbidden under the US Constitution.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain.
In our laws? Nope. Freedom of speech and all that.
3. Keep holy the Sabbath.
In our laws? In scattered rural counties, mainly in the south. Known as blue laws. Not expressly forbidden by the Constitution, but hardly a cornerstone of society.
4. Honor thy mother and thy father.
In our laws? Nope. Nothing in our legal system reflects any kind of respect or honor legally due our family members or community elders. Sure, you can't abuse them, but that's not the same thing as "honor", is it?
5. Thou shalt not kill.
In our laws? Absolutely. That's one.
6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
In our laws? Again, there are isolated pockets where adultery is a crime, but, really, it's nothing but a civil matter between married couples, primarily. So, NOPE. And Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, Ted Haggard and a whole slew of Republicans are mighty grateful for that, too.
7. Thou shalt not steal.
In our laws? Absolutely. That's two.
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness.
In our laws? You bet. Ask Scooter Libby about this one. That's three.
9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.
In our laws? Not even close. Hell, if coveting our neighbor's wife were a crime, we wouldn't have an advertising or entertainment industry.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.
In our laws? Nope. see number 9.
There we have it. A grand total of THREE commandments enshrined in the laws of our nation. Not such a good record, is it? Mybe that's what's got Daryll's knickers in a twist.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:26 pmChrist, Lord, God and Savior are titles used to describe Jesus. Per the bible, there is only one God and his name is Jesus.
Comment by Daryll
There's at least 40 versions of the New Testament, idiot. And they all say different things. Which one is yours, The Bible for Dummies?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:28 pmthe Inquistion was humane, it was Heaven
Comment by Leftwingersarevaliantthehaterhaters — May 29, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
...and for those who would entertain an intelligent debate with this poster, I present to you, exhibit A (above in italics).
My conclusion: any intelligent debate is impossible.
Now, let's have some fun and imagine St.Daryll getting hot and bothered when we mention "guy on guy gluteus maximus luv"
May 29th, 2007 at 1:28 pmleftwingpsycho
As usual, you can not defend your indefensible position so you start up your nonsensical communist diatribe.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:29 pmYou don't have a clue judging by what you type here. We have more money, more brains and out number you 3 to one. If you hadn't cheated and rigged the election we never would have this clown in office. Incredible wrongs done to our country and the Constitution have occured on the Rethugs watch that can be placed squarely on the neocon locksteppers heads but we will right the wrongs, your reps. will GO TO JAIL where they belong and we will work to correct all the horrible wrongs you and your kind have wrought on this great country.
There we have it. A grand total of THREE commandments enshrined in the laws of our nation. Not such a good record, is it? Mybe that’s what’s got Daryll’s knickers in a twist.
Comment by KRank — May 29, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
knock, knock!!!
1) You are being a simpleton, the 10 Commandments mean a lot more than what you simply put there.
2) Christianity, and the Bible are a lot more than just the 10 Commandments.
3) Nice of you to show how utterly ignorant you are when it comes to religion and our laws.
thanks for showing everyone what an utter ignoramus you are.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:30 pmSo according to these commandments, these rules upon which you base all of your actions, and which you follow in order to cakewalk into heaven when you’re dead, rape is OK.
Comment by Newt Gringo — May 29, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
once again, a small clue for you....
one of these commandments does ban rape.
another ignorant left winger that is trying to speak about he obviously doesn't have a clue about.
how truly sad.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:31 pmleftwingpsycho
As usual, you can not defend your indefensible position so you start up your nonsensical communist diatribe.
You don’t have a clue judging by what you type here. We have more money, more brains and out number you 3 to one. If you hadn’t cheated and rigged the election we never would have this clown in office. Incredible wrongs done to our country and the Constitution have occured on the Rethugs watch that can be placed squarely on the neocon locksteppers heads but we will right the wrongs, your reps. will GO TO JAIL where they belong and we will work to correct all the horrible wrongs you and your kind have wrought on this great country.
Comment by Ginko — May 29, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
you have more money? so you are trying to buy the election, eh?
child, child....please my pimple face fool. If you truly think you outnumber us 3 to 1, you are but a sad, demented, wishfull thinking fool.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:33 pmSo, Zooey can’t defend her stupid stances and now claims that I am someone she hates or something.
How typical of the left wingers. No matter the left wing moonbat site one posts in, you all sound and look the same. How sad for you all.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
Juan was talking to me -- not you.
As for the rest of the vile crap that you emmanate -- go back and read all that shit and you'll see who's the hateful one around here.
It's YOU. Your god knows what's in your heart, and YOU are doomed.
Nothing and no one here says you have to like or agree with we moonbats -- slide back down into your sulfurous hole.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:34 pmone of these commandments does ban rape.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
The number, please?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:34 pmYou are being a simpleton...Nice of you to show how utterly ignorant you are when it comes to religion and our laws.
thanks for showing everyone what an utter ignoramus you are.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
"... and they'll know we are Christians by our love, by our love..."
Thanks for showing us the real you.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:35 pmSo according to these commandments, these rules upon which you base all of your actions, and which you follow in order to cakewalk into heaven when you’re dead, rape is OK.
Comment by Newt Gringo — May 29, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
furtthemore, my simpleton, if you bothered to read the Acts of the Apostles, the letters and teaching of St. Paul, etc, etc, you will find in quite a few places were rape is condenmed.
The fact though is that you are not interested in the truth, you just want a chance to spit at Christianity.
you are too ignorant about this subject to have an intelligent conversation with you.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:35 pmwow, the level of stupidity coming from the left wing moonbats.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
Patrick1, you are an idiot under any name.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:36 pmThere we have it. A grand total of THREE commandments enshrined in the laws of our nation. Not such a good record, is it? Mybe that’s what’s got Daryll’s knickers in a twist.
Comment by KRank
Well done, KRank.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:36 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats,
leviticus 24
11 And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the Lord, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan:)
12 And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them.
13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
Satisfied? You should read all of Leviticus and Dueteronomy. THey are chock full of this kind of crap.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:37 pmMy comrades,
how does one get rid of a condescending idiot like Leftwingersaremoonbats who believes that he or she (most likely a he) is right and always right, when he or she is utterly wrong, especially on a message board when that person believes that their comments reign supreme!!!!
IGGGGNORE HIM (OR HER!)
dogs can only bark for so long.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:37 pmshit, thinkprogress.org believes that this joke of a webiste and the pathetic left wing moonbats that post on here matter. Little do they know that their opinion really doesn’t matter.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Then explain your presence here Peadick-1.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:37 pmDaryll’s been sniffing God.
Comment by Zooey
And Leftwingersaremoonbats is taking hallucinogens......
May 29th, 2007 at 1:38 pmShane,
Isn't it interesting how trolls like Leftwingersaremoonbats (valiantthehater) call US names like "simpleton," "child," "ignorant," etc, but have no use for puntuation, spelling, grammar, and proper use of words?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:40 pmIt’s YOU. Your god knows what’s in your heart, and YOU are doomed.
Nothing and no one here says you have to like or agree with we moonbats — slide back down into your sulfurous hole.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
wait, I thought you said earlier that no one can judge? so now you are judging me and telling me I am doomed?
nice to know and see that your rules only apply to those that you speak against, but not to you.
so no one can judge you, but you can judge anyone and everyeone you feel like, right?
typical left wing hypocrite.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:40 pm“… and they’ll know we are Christians by our love, by our love…â€
May 29th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThanks for showing us the real you.
Comment by KRank — May 29, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
leftwingbraiddead
You WISH you were in the majority, you WISH the neocon's were 3 times as large as they are but, boo hoo they aren't. You are out on your keester. HA. HA. Now we will take back the Presidency from the thieves that stole it by stealing votes. No way can you win legitimately which is why that scumbag Karl Rove had to cook up his election fraud scheme, you can't win so you cheat. Typical neocons.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:41 pmYou are just a bitter old creep who can't think for yourself so you follow like the sheep that you are. One by one we are busting you criminals and throwing you in JAIL. Nice try trying to stack the Justice dept. that was brilliant criminality only you are too stupid to use competent people, truly competent people want nothing to do with you lying, cheating thieves. Just look at the list of Rethigs under indictment or soon to be! Gee, nice leaders ya got there.
Justice and Truth will prevail in the end, we will ferret you out of the govt. and put protections in place so it never happens again. Stop reading your fake statistics and wake up and smell the the stench of your leaders being locked up. Scooter is only the beginning. One by one starting at the bottom and working up we will nail your butts and put you all in jail. Neocons are history.
Leftwingersaremoonbats,
leviticus 24
11 And the Israelitish woman’s son blasphemed the name of the Lord, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother’s name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan:)
12 And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them.
13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
Satisfied? You should read all of Leviticus and Dueteronomy. THey are chock full of this kind of crap.
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
this is NOT mouthing off....not to mention that this is from the Old Testament.
Find a similiar situtation in the New Testament. I won't hold my breath.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:41 pmDaryll’s been sniffing God.
Comment by Zooey
And Leftwingersaremoonbats is taking hallucinogens……
Comment by Wayne
It's a baaaad trip, man!
May 29th, 2007 at 1:41 pmWe do not want to hear hypocrites who believe in supporting homosexuality and breaking laws.
Comment by Daryll
he's right, we don't want no stinkin Ted Haggard preachin at us!
May 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pmShane, Zooey,
so which one am I. Shane seems to think I am this person Patrick1 and Zooey seems to think I am valienthater, which one my left wing moonbats?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pmIGGGGNORE HIM (OR HER!)
dogs can only bark for so long.
Comment by Barbarian
Ok, I'm back on the wagon.
Ignoring.....
May 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pmsorry in regards to post #130.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:44 pmI, for some reason, am being heavily filtered today by TP.
Not sure why.
Maybe if I mention man love butt sex, it will not only be unaffected by the TP police, but will also get daryll hot and bothered (and thus he will be unable to type with just one hand) See, it's a win-win!!
Leftwingersaremoonbats,
I don't have to find you one. You are the one who is pimping for Christianity. I'm the one saying that everyone picks and chooses their bible versus as they see fit. And you just did it. You wanted to applaud the Ten Commandments, but that's old testament as well right? So can we throw those out along with the verse from leviticus?
By what barometer does one get to decide where God got it wrong? Are you the one who gets to tell the rest of us the proper versus to follow and which one's we should not?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:45 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats continues to state that "one of the commandments" bans rape. Yet, he can't tell us which one. Perhaps conservatives should be "strict constructionists" on the meaning of the ten commandments.
I'm having a great time watich Leftwingersaremoonbats squirm !!
May 29th, 2007 at 1:46 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats,
I don’t have to find you one. You are the one who is pimping for Christianity. I’m the one saying that everyone picks and chooses their bible versus as they see fit. And you just did it. You wanted to applaud the Ten Commandments, but that’s old testament as well right? So can we throw those out along with the verse from leviticus?
By what barometer does one get to decide where God got it wrong? Are you the one who gets to tell the rest of us the proper versus to follow and which one’s we should not?
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Crump, this post shows your complete and utter ignorance about the Bible and Christianity.
If you new the Bible and the word of Jesus you would know that there are certain places in the Gospel where Jesus says what part of the Old Testament to follow.
Stop being such a simpleton when it comes to Christianity.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:48 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats continues to state that “one of the commandments†bans rape. Yet, he can’t tell us which one. Perhaps conservatives should be “strict constructionists†on the meaning of the ten commandments.
I’m having a great time watich Leftwingersaremoonbats squirm !!
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — May 29, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Why would I bother wasting my time and teaching the ignorant masses like you?
I know which one of the Ten commandes says that rape is wrong. If you want to find out, go research it and you will be shocked to find out how wrong you and your buddy are.
In the mean time, Bitch, keep on posting for my amusement.
It is fun to read the posts of ignorant left wingers like yourself.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats,
And Jews see it differently, and Muslims see it differently.
Where in the bible does jesus one can pick and choose?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:52 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats continues to state that “one of the commandments†bans rape. Yet, he can’t tell us which one. Perhaps conservatives should be “strict constructionists†on the meaning of the ten commandments.
I’m having a great time watich Leftwingersaremoonbats squirm !!
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — May 29, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Yep, and he/she also claimed that I was "being a simpleton" and "the 10 Commandments mean a lot more than what you simply put there." But never bothered to expound on that statement. Didn't bother to actually point out where my errors were. Imagine that. States a general opinion (and an insulting one to boot), but offers no facts to back it up.
Familiar page from the wingnut playbook. It's not about the facts, it's about the noise.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:52 pmZooey,
“Leftwingersaremoonbats = valiantthehaterâ€
obviously!!!
Comment by Crump's Brother
You guys have way more experience than I do. I thought he was Patrick1.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:52 pmIf you new the Bible and the word of Jesus you would know that there are certain places in the Gospel where Jesus says what part of the Old Testament to follow.
Stop being such a simpleton when it comes to Christianity.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Assuming you meant "knew" and not "new", perhaps you could enlighten us as to which places in the Gospels "where Jesus says what part of the Old Testament to follow"?
I'm sure we'd all be better for the knowledge. Maybe you could even save us!
May 29th, 2007 at 1:54 pmnow you may want to enlighten everyone here, where in the Bible do we find Jesus say, “War is evilâ€.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Now I'm confused. Because god gave the ten commandments to a JEW! What does that have to do with you Christians?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:55 pmJesus was very clear that his death would not make these laws obselete.
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17)
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17)
May 29th, 2007 at 1:55 pmFamiliar page from the wingnut playbook. It’s not about the facts, it’s about the noise.
Comment by KRank — May 29, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
hahahaha!!! you kids never answer questions that we ask, you kids never say more than what you need to say.
I am not here to teach the ignorant left wing masses, I am here to make fun of you.
stop being the typical left wing lazy fool and go get your own education.
things in the real world aren't free, my ignorant friend.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pmI know which one of the Ten commandes says that rape is wrong. If you want to find out, go research it and you will be shocked to find out how wrong you and your buddy are.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
Why can't you just tell us? If we're such simpletons like you constantly claim, then it seems like you should have get real simple to make us understand. What could be simpler than saying "Commandment number X says that rape is wrong"?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:57 pmone of these commandments does ban rape.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
The number of that commandment, please?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:57 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats,
And Jews see it differently, and Muslims see it differently.
Where in the bible does jesus one can pick and choose?
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
and that is great for them, we are talking about Christianity. They don't believe in the Bible. You might want to study their religious books which are NOT the Bible. The Bible is Christian.
Furthermore, you have completly ignored the fact that the Inquisition was but a Country Club compared to the punishments handed out by the civilian authorities of the same time.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:58 pmYou guys have way more experience than I do. I thought he was Patrick1.
Comment by shane
valiantthehater outs himself by using certain words and a certain style. And by being monumentally stupid.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:58 pm#147 Crump's Brother, that's just mean. Actualy using the words of the Bible to make a point. Not fair at all.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:59 pmleftbatbrains
Your OWN party has fallen apart and your base is shrinking every day. True conservatives realize now that the neocons like you have taken over and corrupted their party. You don't have a snoballs chance of success in future elections. You BETTER pray, you need all the help you can get. The rethugs are fleeing like rats from a ship. No one will take the open positions in the Justice dept. OR the White House because they do not want to work for this criminal warmonger or his buttkissing sidekick Gonzo. One by one we will hand out the go to jail cards.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:00 pmAverage rethug has what, 3 marriages under his belt? Guiliani's own kids will not even SPEAK to him he is so vile. Great reps ya got there. Losers one and all.
We are only getting started, oversight is here to stay, which means all the criminal rethugs will be GONZO.
buhbye go thump your fake bible to someone who cares.
Its pretty funny how every time up see a pedophile arrested they are always right winger repressed nutcases. It's sickening what they do in the name of Jesus.
hahahaha!!! you kids never answer questions that we ask, you kids never say more than what you need to say.
I am not here to teach the ignorant left wing masses, I am here to make fun of you.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
Okay, exactly WHAT questions have you asked that I have ignored?
Your second comment makes clear that your pretenses of being a Christian are paper-thin and make a mockery of what you say you believe.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:02 pmwow, the level of stupidity coming from the left wing moonbats.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
Actually I am more of a centrist independant.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:02 pmAnd you are still a moron, vallientthehater
child, child….please my pimple face fool. If you truly think you outnumber us 3 to 1, you are but a sad, demented, wishfull thinking fool.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
Bad news LaMB, there are more muslims on the planet than christians. Go google yourself.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:04 pmI know which one of the Ten commandes says that rape is wrong. If you want to find out, go research it and you will be shocked to find out how wrong you and your buddy are.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
Why can’t you just tell us? If we’re such simpletons like you constantly claim, then it seems like you should have get real simple to make us understand. What could be simpler than saying “Commandment number X says that rape is wrong�
Comment by KRank — May 29, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
why are you so lazy? why can't you find out for yourself? why do Liberals always want free bees? why?
get an education you lazy left winger.
stop begging and kissing my feet for an answer. You are embarrassing yourself kid.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:04 pmchild, child….please my pimple face fool. If you truly think you outnumber us 3 to 1, you are but a sad, demented, wishfull thinking fool.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
Bad news LaMB, there are more muslims on the planet than christians. Go google yourself.
Comment by Shane — May 29, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
1) you are wrong, there are 2.1 billion Christians in the world, versus, 1.3 billion Muslims. duh, duh, duh....numbers not your forte, eh Shane?
2) Ginko, the pimple faced idiot is talking about Democrats vs. Republicans.
ignorant, ignorant! no wonder you are a left winger.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:06 pmfurtthemore, my simpleton, if you bothered to read the Acts of the Apostles, the letters and teaching of St. Paul, etc, etc, you will find in quite a few places were rape is condenmed.
The fact though is that you are not interested in the truth, you just want a chance to spit at Christianity.
you are too ignorant about this subject to have an intelligent conversation with you.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
But YOU claimed it is in the ten commandments. But then you refuse to say where. Why?
May 29th, 2007 at 2:07 pmwow, the level of stupidity coming from the left wing moonbats.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
Actually I am more of a centrist independant.
And you are still a moron, vallientthehater
Comment by Wayne — May 29, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
I see that Zooey has control of you simple minded fools.
Hillarious, you guys are displaying what I have always known about you....you left wingers are so easily fooled and easily led.
Zooey claims that I am this person valiant and look at all of you fall into lock step behind him.
oh my poor little sheeps.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:07 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats,
"They don’t believe in the Bible."
Idiot. Both the Jews and Muslims have the old testament in their 'bibles' moron!!
The jews use only the Old Testament. Did you really not know that?
May 29th, 2007 at 2:08 pmhahahaha!!! you kids never answer questions that we ask, you kids never say more than what you need to say.
I am not here to teach the ignorant left wing masses, I am here to make fun of you.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
Okay, exactly WHAT questions have you asked that I have ignored?
Your second comment makes clear that your pretenses of being a Christian are paper-thin and make a mockery of what you say you believe.
Comment by KRank — May 29, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
When have I ever claimed to be a Christian? please put up post, time, etc where I have claimed to be a Christian.
c'mon kRank, you need to give the left a better name than you have so far.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:08 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats,
“They don’t believe in the Bible.â€
Idiot. Both the Jews and Muslims have the old testament in their ‘bibles’ moron!!
The jews use only the Old Testament. Did you really not know that?
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Idiot, the Jews don't use the Bible, the Bible is Christian, they don't have a Bible, idiot.
The Old Testament is a Christian name, not a Jew name, you stupid fool.
try again my ignorant friend.
The Quoran, Koran, or how ever you want to spell it is not the Bible and neither is the Jewish book.
and I see that you keep on ignoring the inquisition comment.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:10 pmone of these commandments does ban rape.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
The number of that commandment, please?
Not for my sake, but for Daryll's sake - it's obvious he doesn't know the answer either.
You'd really be helping out a Christian brother. And surely it can't be that difficult to type a number or two.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:11 pmIf Jesus showed up today both homeschooler Daryl and leftnuthater wouldn't even recognize him, they'd hate him for being brown skinned and Middle Eastern.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:12 pmfurtthemore, my simpleton, if you bothered to read the Acts of the Apostles, the letters and teaching of St. Paul, etc, etc, you will find in quite a few places were rape is condenmed.
The fact though is that you are not interested in the truth, you just want a chance to spit at Christianity.
you are too ignorant about this subject to have an intelligent conversation with you.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
But YOU claimed it is in the ten commandments. But then you refuse to say where. Why?
Comment by Shane — May 29, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
oh my ignorant Shane, I already taught you that there are more Christians than Muslims in the world. Why teach you more? you can do your own research, right? you can open up books, right?
are you really this dumb and lazy? and ignorant?
do you still claim that there are more Muslims than Christians in the world? or will you admit that you are an ignorant fool, another pimple faced uneducated moron?
May 29th, 2007 at 2:12 pmWhy can’t you just tell us? If we’re such simpletons like you constantly claim, then it seems like you should have get real simple to make us understand. What could be simpler than saying “Commandment number X says that rape is wrong�
Comment by KRank — May 29, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
why are you so lazy? why can’t you find out for yourself? why do Liberals always want free bees? why?
get an education you lazy left winger.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Why do I ask you for an answer? Because you have been unable to provide one to a simple question. You may not have recognized them, but I posted all ten commandments earlier. So I don't really need to "research" it anymore.
You made the claim that one of the commandments says that rape is wrong. I don't see which one says that. Why can't you defend your statement?
It's a proven right-wing tactic, though: when you're caught in a lie, play the victim and blame those who want the truth. Sloppily played, but as a wingnut you can't be faulted for trying.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:12 pmI love that Falwell asked god for another 20 years and he was dead within a week.
talk about divine intervention!
burn in hell falwell
May 29th, 2007 at 2:13 pmSunday, we saved 12 souls. I can’t wait to save souls in Rio (Dec 18-24). We will visit the favelas to testify about Jesus’ works. Beware, Termas (4×4, Luomos, Solarium, etc.), Escort Services, and Club Help, we’re coming for you.
Comment by Monsignor Daryll of 2 Secondland — May 29, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
First, nice advertisment of places you’ll be visiting in Rio (though ,why do I doubt it will be to “save†souls). Geez, if I were not married, or not faithful, I would now know where to visit. (and another point, how does one in your church “learn†about such places? Ton of “research†on the internets?)
Second, congrats on “personally†saving 12 souls. Now, here’s my questions for you.
Were they saved by personally accepting and developing a relationship with Jesus Christ, as their savior, or are they just conforming to your church’s rules and regulations?
Big difference, ya know.
Third, since you pick and choose quotes from the Bible, you have yet to answer my question posed to you months ago. I’ll ask, again:
Daryll, am I going to H E Double L because I am married to a woman who is once divorced?
Comment by DRxJ — May 29, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Yes, unless you leave her and repent. Per Luke, you do not have a marital relationship with this woman. Per the bible, she's currently an adulterer and you're a fonicator. You can marry her when her spouse is deceased (I'm not supporting murder at all). Second, we and my fellow brothers and sister's in Christ have conducted research on these sex venues in Rio to stop the devil from influencing foreigners and local citizens to commit various sinful acts. Are churchgroup (soul seekers) will be visiting Rio for the glorification of God. If vacationers and locals want sex, they should marry someone from the opposite gender. Also, the 12 souls were baptized in the name of Jesus and received the Holy Ghost. They did not accept an oath.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:14 pmIsn’t it interesting how trolls like Leftwingersaremoonbats (valiantthehater) call US names like “simpleton,†“child,†“ignorant,†etc, but have no use for puntuation, spelling, grammar, and proper use of words?
Comment by Zooey
That's because their mommies were afraid to send them to public schools. Of course since they're all living in some shit hole small town in the hills somewhere public schools might not have helped them. They think being homeschooled is the same as going to a private school. And they have no idea how many crappy private schools there are out there, most of them religious in the back of a church somewhere. But because their mommies, with IQs of about 80 told them how smart they are they believe it.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:14 pmAnd obviously they are too old to ever learn any social skills, that's why they sound like raving lunatics.
ignorant, ignorant! no wonder you are a left winger.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
I, for one, will take that as a compliment.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:15 pmIf being ignorant means helping those less fortunate, having compassion for everyone on this earth, not just for those that are similar; if it means continuously learning about the teachings of Jesus, to be able to think on my own, and draw my own conclusions, and not be blindly lead like sheep in a herd (and told what to do)
Well then, I am blissfully ignorant, and damn proud of it!!!
Leftwingersaremoonbats
If you are not valiantthehater, than you are his/her obvious doppleganger
valiantthehater always ends his posts with phrases like:
"oh my poor little sheeps."
"ignorant, ignorant! no wonder you are a left winger."
"You are embarrassing yourself kid." - This one a particular favorite of valiantthehater
valiantthehater, like you, was interested in an informed debate, only in making vitriolic statments and not interested in backing his/her statements.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:16 pmforgive me oh Lord-
May 29th, 2007 at 2:19 pm-thou shalt not bendith over and crack thy vertical smile in the general area of a male hooker
Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Holy shit. I can't believe you said that....
May 29th, 2007 at 2:21 pmComment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 2:08 pm:
When have I ever claimed to be a Christian? please put up post, time, etc where I have claimed to be a Christian.
I stand corrected. You never actualy claimed to be a Christian, just presented yourself as an expert in Christian theology. I made the leap of logic to conclude that you are a Christian because of the disdain with which you treated everyone who had presumably less familiarity with the texts of the faith than you do.
This should be easy to settle, though: are you a Christian?
Because if you were, then you certainly would proclaim it, right? You wouldn't deny it, like Peter, would you?
c’mon kRank, you need to give the left a better name than you have so far.
Not as long as you are the face of the right.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:21 pmIf you new the Bible and the word of Jesus you would know that there are certain places in the Gospel where Jesus says what part of the Old Testament to follow.
Stop being such a simpleton when it comes to Christianity.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
But Christ was a Jew who followed the Old Testament and the ten commandments. And he didn't write the new testament, the version you follow was written 1,500 years after his death. So shouldn't a Christian assume that he meant for all to follow the Old Testament with the additions.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:21 pmhey wasn't Joseph an adulterer?
No wait, how does the fairy tale go...let's see, oh yeah "virgin birth"
if they believe this, they will believe anything
they are all a bunch of sexually repressed bigots
jesus hung around with all his male pals, just check out the last supper for a view of one gay celebration! woo hoo, they were having themselves some big love fest, gazing dreamily at one another!
these neocons are all in the closet and they pray pray pray thinking that will change their genetic code and make them straight.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:21 pmComment by St.Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
thank you, daryll, for taking the time to google your answer.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:24 pmFirst and foremost, YOU cannot judge who will not receive the Kingdom of God. Only God will judge. Unless, of course, you believe you and God have the same ability, to which I counter with the warning of False Witnesses, from which you surely are.
Secondly, I will let my wife know she is going to Hades because she hastily left a relationship that was not only abusive to her, but was also increasingly threatening to her toddler at the time. I'm sure she'll understand.
finally, you are a parody. plain and simple. Countering with "leave her" has nothing to do with how to receive forgiveness from God.
you are not true Christian, daryll. You are a false witness. I will pray for your soul ,as you are truly, deeply, in trouble.
Leftwingersaremoonbats,
"Idiot, the Jews don’t use the Bible, the Bible is Christian, they don’t have a Bible, idiot."
Um, I don't even where to start here. The word bible literally means nothing more than 'book'. The Holy Bible is a collections of books. THe Christian bible adds a new testament to the original bible that the Jews have used for thousands of years. The Muslims disregarded the Christian edition, and added there own addition to the original text. All three use the Old Testament.
"and I see that you keep on ignoring the inquisition comment."
I find it interesting that you want to justify the inquisition because other 'secular' leaders did the same thing. Not going to argue that point. I was trying to make the point (before your sorry attempt to change the topic) that the inquistion was justified through Biblical vers when it was going on. It's not as if those that were doing it felt they were outside the allowable dictates of 'God's' laws. I wasn't trying to say that all Christian's are murderous warrioirs.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:25 pmChristianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand
May 29th, 2007 at 2:25 pmc’mon kRank, you need to give the left a better name than you have so far.
Not as long as you are the face of the right.
Comment by KRank — May 29, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
and when the hell have I ever claimed to be a right winger? wow...you are too easy my fool.
once again, post etc where I have claimed to be a right winger.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:26 pmZooey, the reason it is important that media fairly represent the spiritual feelings of Americans is, as the article points out, that America is religiously liberal and progressive. All religions deal with the issues of morality and daily life. They speak of war, peace, life, and death. And religion asks the question What's it all about? Which becomes important when one is discussing world trade, global warming, and and prison reform.
The Darylls, Virulent Haters, and Patrick1trickponies of this world want a nostalgic faith from the 1950s with a Sunday School catechism that never heard of Bultmann or Campbell or Tillich. It wants a religion that is thoroughly middleclass and respectable --that is to say, Philistine and thoroughly unChristlike.
I was glad to see this thread because I've had some rather pointless arguments with "organized" atheists on TP who seem to think all spiritual people should be damned for not somehow overcoming the rantings of the Religious Right. Well, I would point out that there are more on the Religious Left than on the right and they suffer from media bias. And the liberal/progressive movement in America is largely driven by liberal Christians and Jews of the 19th and early 20th century.
I will post a link to Rabbi Lerner's Tikkun journal where he introduces Senator Obama speaking on Religiophobia.
I'm interested that the Rightwing trolls are so active in this thread. I think they're threatened. If the atheists --and logically atheism is no more provable than theism-- would only acknowledge that most religious moderates are on their side, the movement would be so much stronger. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar. You see, the Darylls of this World are selling a load of outdated and theologically whiffy BS. Even a Catholic blowhard like Donohue has to talk a pre-Vatican II line when he's debating because the Vatican isn't as conservative as he is.
Islam is not a religion of Terrorism. Nor is Christianity the foundation for neo-conservativism. And, I'm sorry, Daryll, but one can pick and choose. There's no one meaning to the Bible. All sacred texts must be approached with caution and pondered. They're not just platitudes. And the Bible in particular is the result of centuries of picking and choosing. (Ever compared a Catholic Bible with a Protestant? or with the Jewish Books of Scriptures? All different!)
Religion is an important part of the lives of the majority of Americans. It makes sense to discuss it in the news. Just as one consults ethnic leaders or labor leaders or various experts on military history, one should consult the nation's spiritual leaders. And it's misleading of the media to give a pulpit to a squeaky wheel like Jerry Falwell and to ignore the leaders who actually speak for the traditional religions.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:27 pmComment by Ginko — May 29, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Looks like there's a whole lot of non-christians that there are christians. Too bad there isn't a sub-category for pseudo-christians.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:29 pm“and I see that you keep on ignoring the inquisition comment.â€
I find it interesting that you want to justify the inquisition because other ’secular’ leaders did the same thing. Not going to argue that point. I was trying to make the point (before your sorry attempt to change the topic) that the inquistion was justified through Biblical vers when it was going on. It’s not as if those that were doing it felt they were outside the allowable dictates of ‘God’s’ laws. I wasn’t trying to say that all Christian’s are murderous warrioirs.
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
No, secular leaders didn't do the same thing, they did HORRIFIC THINGS THAT THE INQUISTION NEVER DID!!!
get a clue you moron. The inquistion was less horrific than any punishment laid about by civilian authorities. Not equal, but less. People of the time much rather fall under the justice of the inquistion than they did under the justice of the civilian authorities.
that you have been brainwashed by Hollywood, the left wing anti-Catholic groups, etc is something else.
Please educate yourself before you keep on spewing such great nonsense and ignorance.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:29 pmGinko,
interesting list.
I think it's important to remember that nearly all of China would probably fall under Buddhism, but they would be killed for saying it.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:31 pmand that is great for them, we are talking about Christianity. They don’t believe in the Bible. You might want to study their religious books which are NOT the Bible. The Bible is Christian.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
So you think Jews don't believe in the Bible. And the Old Testament appeared out of nowhere. Are you so stupid that you don't know that Christ considered himself a Rabbi. And you're right that Jews didn't use the bible as their rules of laws they used the Talmud for laws and the Torah for deciphering scriptures. But I guess when they were writing a bible that was simple enough for you shitheads up in some hollow in the hills they had to take all the complicated stuff out.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:35 pmTruly though you can never understand what Jesus truly meant until you understand that the Old Testament, including Genesis, was meant as simplifications for the people who couldn't do the serious religious studies. You need to read the Torah, especially, the Talmud and the Dead Sea Scrolls to actually understand what Jesus meant. And that requires a little more theology than your shit-for-brains fundie preacher would ever be able to handle.
I know which one of the Ten commandes says that rape is wrong. If you want to find out, go research it and you will be shocked to find out how wrong you and your buddy are. -- Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
Obviously, you DON'T KNOW. Loser.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:35 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats,
Again, you missed the point of my post. Why do you insist on changing the topic?
I said "I was trying to make the point (before your sorry attempt to change the topic) that the inquistion was justified through Biblical verse when it was going on."
You insist on making an argument about secular leaders. I'm not arguing that point. I'm arguing the justification of the inquisition. Your post is what is commonly known as a non-sequitor. It is a widely used tool of conservatice thinkers when they know they are losing the argument. They change topics subtley. You are just not that good at it.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:35 pmLeftwingersaremoonbats,
Again, you missed the point of my post. Why do you insist on changing the topic?
I said “I was trying to make the point (before your sorry attempt to change the topic) that the inquistion was justified through Biblical verse when it was going on.â€
You insist on making an argument about secular leaders. I’m not arguing that point. I’m arguing the justification of the inquisition. Your post is what is commonly known as a non-sequitor. It is a widely used tool of conservatice thinkers when they know they are losing the argument. They change topics subtley. You are just not that good at it.
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
well, in that case....YOU ARE STILL WRONG!! The Inquistion was not carried out using Biblical verses. It was carried out by using Vatican law.
once again, complete and utter ignorance.
Was it horrific by our standards, of course yes, but for the times that it happened, it was Heaven compared to what the civilian authorities did.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:39 pm#183 - david
Thanks for that little spot of sanity on this thread.
I apologize if I have come across as anti-religion, or lacking respect for your right to believe in and follow your religion. That is not the case. While I don't claim any religion, I respect the right of others to their belief.
People like Daryll need to be confronted because of their ignorance and hate -- and they volunteer to be confronted.
It's my opinion that religious belief, or lack thereof, is private. Separation of church and state works. Freedom of religion AND freedom from religion.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:41 pmAnd that requires a little more theology than your shit-for-brains fundie preacher would ever be able to handle.
Comment by Shane — May 29, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Shane, shane just be the man you refuse to be and admit that you were wrong about Muslims being more than Christians, you ignorant fool.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:41 pmone of these commandments does ban rape.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
Leftwingersaremoonbats seems to be having some difficulty typing a number between zero and eleven. Anyone out there who agrees with Leftwingersaremoonbats' comment above, and who doesn't mind answering the question as to which of the Biblical commandments bans rape (or even mentions the word "rape"), feel free to jump in here.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:43 pm1) you are wrong, there are 2.1 billion Christians in the world, versus, 1.3 billion Muslims. duh, duh, duh….numbers not your forte, eh Shane?
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
Won't be long though:
"Islam is growing about 2.9% per year. This is faster than the total world population which increases about 2.3% annually. It is thus attracting a progressively larger percentage of the world's population"
May 29th, 2007 at 2:46 pmEveryone knows that Jesus was a republican, and liked to kill people.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:46 pmLeftwingersarevirulenthaters, I'm sorry, but the Inquisition was very real. It did not happen in quite the way that some think or everywhere or always at the instigation of the Church.
The State has always coveted the absolute power of divinity while the Church has easily been seduced by the temporal powers of the State. The Two, if kept separate, can inform and reform one another. The first amendment is just as much to keep the State out of the Church as it is the Church out of the State. However, I don't think this separation means exclusion. It is interesting that most of the Churches being investigated by the IRS for political activity are liberal/progressive --rarely does the Christian Right get reprimanded.`
May 29th, 2007 at 2:46 pmHillarious, you guys are displaying what I have always known about you….you left wingers are so easily fooled and easily led.
Zooey claims that I am this person valiant and look at all of you fall into lock step behind him.
oh my poor little sheeps.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
So you don't have the answers and are changing the subject. Why can't you noecon cowards ever just speak the truth?
May 29th, 2007 at 2:48 pmleftwingersaremoonbats,
Theological foundations for the Inquisition
The proponents of the Inquisition (and, amazingly, apologists since the Inquisition ended in 1834), point to both Biblical and theological sources for its justification. The biblical passages most often quoted by the early Inquisitors were from Mosaic Law, in the Old Testament. This is, of course, somewhat questionable theology, as Mosaic Law regarding, say, dietary restrictions were completely ignored by the Church from the 1st century on, yet suddenly (in the 13th century), Mosaic Law seemed to be a perfectly reasonable justification for burning thousands of people at the stake! Key passages are quoted below (edited for brevity):
(From Deuteronomy 13 NIV) “If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you...and he says, "Let us follow other gods"...That prophet or dreamer must be put to death...You must purge the evil from among you.
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other godsâ€...do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him...You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death...Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray...then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock.
Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt.â€
(From Exodus 22:18 NIV) "Do not allow a sorceress to live.â€
Many of the elements found in the aforementioned extracts from Mosaic Law would later be closely emulated by the Inquisition, including:
“Purging†of “prophets and dreamers†(the charge that lead to the death of Joan of Arc)
Family members in the Inquisition were encouraged to testify against each other
Putting to death heretics as an example to others
The guidance to “inquire, probe and investigate†towns that have gone astray could be a job description for later Inquisitors!
Destruction of whole towns, to wipe out heresy
It was much more difficult for the proponents of the Inquisition to find New Testament justification for their acts. The most often quoted New Testament verse is from John 15:
(John 15:6 NIV) “If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.â€
May 29th, 2007 at 2:49 pmand when the hell have I ever claimed to be a right winger? wow…you are too easy my fool.
once again, post etc where I have claimed to be a right winger.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
You, my friend, are too easily betrayed by your statements. You don't have to "claim" to be a right-winger if your positions and arguments make clear that you can be fairly categorized as such. Just your disdainful statements about "libs" are enough to seal that deal.
Besides, if you DID claim that you were a right-winger, we would be less sure than we are now, because chances are pretty good you'd be lying.
But I notice that you failed to answer ANOTHER simple question:
May 29th, 2007 at 2:50 pmAre you a Christian?
Shane, shane just be the man you refuse to be and admit that you were wrong about Muslims being more than Christians, you ignorant fool.
Comment by Leftwingersarevalianthaters — May 29, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
How to tell when one has lost the debate, example 1:
Attack (shane's a female by the way, so you're sad attempt at feminizing the poster was irrelivent, as well as just plain stupid)
Use Delusions of Grandeur (claim a victory over a statement that was never posted)
Attack
I will now present a post using the above example
Dear leftwingersaremoonbats,
You ignoramous! Just admit you were wrong about "performing fellatio to small domesticated farm animals is legal in Georgia"
You're one sick doofus. and stay the f*ck away from farms in Georgia!
May 29th, 2007 at 2:51 pm(John 15:6 NIV) “If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.â€
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
well, I see you believe everything you read against the Inquisition. Take off the blinders, and stop being such a blind follower of anti-christian groups and websites.
please......
May 29th, 2007 at 2:52 pmCrump,
I mean why don't you speak about Nero using athiest views to throw the Christians to the Lions? why are you obssesed with the Inquisition? eh?
why don't you speak of athiest leaders who have had no problem killing millions of individuals? why are you obssesed with the inquistion?
The Inquisition was nothing compared to the civilian trials and punishments of the time.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:55 pmYou’re one sick doofus. and stay the f*ck away from farms in Georgia!
Comment by DRxJ — May 29, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
retard, stupid fool, your honey Shane claimed that there were more Muslims in the world than Christians.
She was proven wrong.
Nice to know that as a good left wing moonbat you side with people that are ignorant.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:56 pmdo you still claim that there are more Muslims than Christians in the world? or will you admit that you are an ignorant fool, another pimple faced uneducated moron?
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
Are you implying that my Lake Forest College private school education was a waste of big money. I'm so ashamed.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:56 pmand when the hell have I ever claimed to be a right winger? wow…you are too easy my fool.
once again, post etc where I have claimed to be a right winger.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
You, my friend, are too easily betrayed by your statements. You don’t have to “claim†to be a right-winger if your positions and arguments make clear that you can be fairly categorized as such. Just your disdainful statements about “libs†are enough to seal that deal.
Besides, if you DID claim that you were a right-winger, we would be less sure than we are now, because chances are pretty good you’d be lying.
But I notice that you failed to answer ANOTHER simple question:
Are you a Christian?
Comment by KRank — May 29, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
am betrayed by my statements? hahaha!!! once again, where have I claimed to be a right winger. it should be easy for you to prove it, right?
show the time and post where I claimed to be a right winger.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:58 pmComment by St.Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
thank you, daryll, for taking the time to google your answer.
First and foremost, YOU cannot judge who will not receive the Kingdom of God. Only God will judge. Unless, of course, you believe you and God have the same ability, to which I counter with the warning of False Witnesses, from which you surely are.
Secondly, I will let my wife know she is going to Hades because she hastily left a relationship that was not only abusive to her, but was also increasingly threatening to her toddler at the time. I’m sure she’ll understand.
finally, you are a parody. plain and simple. Countering with “leave her†has nothing to do with how to receive forgiveness from God.
you are not true Christian, daryll. You are a false witness. I will pray for your soul ,as you are truly, deeply, in trouble.
Comment by DRxJ — May 29, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
That is why the bible reflects that she can separate from her spouse, but would rather that she eventually reconciled with that individual. She can only divorce if she witnesses her spouse commiting adultery. Even then, she still can't marry another male until her spouse is deceased. She's biblically bound to him until death. This is the reason why the bible states that you must go into marriage whole heartedly, which means you shouldn't compromise your beliefs or standards for the purpose of marriage. That's the problem with society today.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:01 pmCrump's Brother, I've told you before -- it's no fair quoting Scripture to support your argument. The wingnut who refuses to say he's a Christian can't quote Scripture, so why should you?
May 29th, 2007 at 3:02 pmjesus hung around with all his male pals, just check out the last supper for a view of one gay celebration! woo hoo, they were having themselves some big love fest, gazing dreamily at one another!
Comment by Ginko
In Chicago they believe this makes Jesus Irish, perpetually hanging around with all his male pals. But I think gay is more likely.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:03 pm#205 Leftwingersaremoonbats : Just like it should be easy to prove that the Ten Commandments prohibit rape. Go ahead, you've been dodging the question all day.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:03 pmThanks, Zooey, I always enjoy your posts. I'm more a student of all religions. And I think faith is both a private/public thing. What is annoying is that the media do not present as a dialogue. It's even worse than the charade that passes as partisan debate. When Obama announced his run for the nomination, Tucker Carlson questioned if the Trinity United Church of Christ of Chicago was, indeed, Christian.
When I was in university, I took Latin & Greek from a mix of Catholic priests and Jewish Classicists. The campus was very, very ecumenical in downtown Toronto. All the worlds religions represented and highly visible. It seems to me the whole "Religious Right" thing in America and the immigration debate have the same roots: a fear of the bigger world. All fundamentalism is rooted in Nationalism. The real fear is the Cosmoplitan world where the man next to you on your right may be a Sikh and the woman across from you be a Muslim and the woman to your left a neo-Darwinist. I think this is the real source of hostility toward the UN: the Right fears Americans will go native --or in this case, Cosmo.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThis is the reason why the bible states that you must go into marriage whole heartedly, which means you shouldn’t compromise your beliefs or standards for the purpose of marriage. That’s the problem with society today. Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
The bible also says the earth is flat, that eating pork will send you to h*ll, that the earth is 8000 years old, and that the sun rotates around the moon and hides in a cave under the earth each night...
Sorry dum bass, but you're a f*cking r*t*rd.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:06 pm#205 Leftwingersaremoonbats : Just like it should be easy to prove that the Ten Commandments prohibit rape. Go ahead, you’ve been dodging the question all day.
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — May 29, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
why are you beggin for a free education? why are you so pathetic? stop embarrassing yourself. Go get an education and stop beggin for a free one from me.
stop kissing my feet and beggin for an answer.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:06 pmshow the time and post where I claimed to be a right winger.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
(sigh) I explained once, that you don't have to CLAIM to be a right-winger in order to be categorized as one. Your ridiculous railings against "left wingers" are enough to safely demonstrate that you're a right-winger. After all, you've made blanket statements criticizing many, many posters here as being "left-wingers" or "moonbats". When did any of them claim to be left-wingers or moonbats? If they didn't make those claims, how could you categorize them as such?
But on to more important matters:
ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN?
You've responded twice to posts containing this question, yet you've ignored it both times. I wonder why that is?
May 29th, 2007 at 3:08 pmAnd that requires a little more theology than your shit-for-brains fundie preacher would ever be able to handle.
Comment by Shane — May 29, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
Shane, shane just be the man you refuse to be and admit that you were wrong about Muslims being more than Christians, you ignorant fool.
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
I admit I was wrong, for the time being. I believe it was a 10 year projection. But you really didn't address the other issues did you?
May 29th, 2007 at 3:09 pmComment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
why are you beggin for a free education? why are you so pathetic? stop embarrassing yourself. Go get an education and stop beggin for a free one from me.
If any of us were looking for an education, you wouldn't be the one we went to.
stop kissing my feet and beggin for an answer.
Because you certainly aren't prepared to offer one. And not for the first time, either.
There's someone pathetic in this equation all right, but it's not who you think it is.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:11 pmDear leftwingersaremoonbats,
You ignoramous! Just admit you were wrong about “performing fellatio to small domesticated farm animals is legal in Georgiaâ€
You’re one sick doofus. and stay the f*ck away from farms in Georgia!
Comment by DRxJ
Oh no, and he thought this was the perfect Christian answer to abstinence. Now you've opened a can of worms. Thanks though.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThanks, Zooey, I always enjoy your posts. I’m more a student of all religions. And I think faith is both a private/public thing. What is annoying is that the media do not present as a dialogue. It’s even worse than the charade that passes as partisan debate. When Obama announced his run for the nomination, Tucker Carlson questioned if the Trinity United Church of Christ of Chicago was, indeed, Christian.
When I was in university, I took Latin & Greek from a mix of Catholic priests and Jewish Classicists. The campus was very, very ecumenical in downtown Toronto. All the worlds religions represented and highly visible. It seems to me the whole “Religious Right†thing in America and the immigration debate have the same roots: a fear of the bigger world. All fundamentalism is rooted in Nationalism. The real fear is the Cosmoplitan world where the man next to you on your right may be a Sikh and the woman across from you be a Muslim and the woman to your left a neo-Darwinist. I think this is the real source of hostility toward the UN: the Right fears Americans will go native –or in this case, Cosmo.
Comment by david — May 29, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
David, what?!
Please, the right is against ILLEGAL immigration, not against Immigration, thus your stupid comment about fear of diversity is unfounded and silly.
Furthermore, this left wing idea that diversity of races is great, is also silly. Why don't you travel to England, France, Germany, etc, and see what diversity has done to this once great nations. Poverty is rampant here and under the disguise of political correctness and diversity, governments are afraid to crack down on the crimes being committed by "diversed" groups.
I mean by your logic, David, what is wrong then with accepting a Nazi? he/she would part of this Cosmo crap you talk about, right?
and as far as the United Nations, please my friend, the United Nations is an organization ran by thug nations that use the UN plataform to slam Israel and the USA.
Diversity can be great, but diversity can also be bad. Left wingers seem to want to accept anything and everything under the guise of diversity.
In reality, it is left wingers who are terrified of true diversity, which comes in the form of different ideas and ideologies. Diversity goes beyond skin deep.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWhat could be simpler than saying “Commandment number X says that rape is wrong�
Comment by KRank — May 29, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
why are you so lazy? why can’t you find out for yourself? why do Liberals always want free bees? why?
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
What part of "Give to him that asketh thee" don't you understand?
May 29th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWe've been asking nicely - what is the number of the commandment against rape?
Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
why are you beggin for a free education? why are you so pathetic? stop embarrassing yourself. Go get an education and stop beggin for a free one from me.
If any of us were looking for an education, you wouldn’t be the one we went to.
stop kissing my feet and beggin for an answer.
Because you certainly aren’t prepared to offer one. And not for the first time, either.
There’s someone pathetic in this equation all right, but it’s not who you think it is.
Comment by KRank — May 29, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
so why keep on beggin for an answer from me? why? if not for a free education? c'mon kRank, still waiting for you to post where I have ever claimed to be a right winger......
May 29th, 2007 at 3:14 pmShe’s biblically bound to him until death.
Comment by Daryll
You are so f*cked up, Daryll.
You and your "beliefs" would have a woman (or man) stay married to someone who beats the shit out of her/him and/or their children.
You don't see something seriously wrong with that?
May 29th, 2007 at 3:15 pmI think this is the real source of hostility toward the UN: the Right fears Americans will go native –or in this case, Cosmo.
Comment by david
I think you hit the nail on the head -- FEAR.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:17 pmDaryll, you really don't seem to know the Bible at all. Have you been run through one of those awful Alpha courses? Or a quickie catechism?
Marriage is not really a concern of the early Christians. Paul thought one should avoid it if possible. Jesus' comments on Divorce Laws aren't meant as new laws at all. The Catholics have understood it that way, but the Protestants don't. Like the Kosher Laws, Jesus calls us to be mindful of what we do and say. To mean it. This is meant as a repuke to the religiosity of the Philistines --and dare I say today's fundamentalists.
Daryll, Jesus told you NOT TO JUDGE. So stop judging. And leftwingersareVirulentHaters, you'd do better to stop coveting the wisdom of others. It's a sin. You talk too much of hate and war and damning your enemies. That's so unChristlike. I just don't know what the point of your pretending to be religious is supposed to accomplish.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:21 pmShe’s biblically bound to him until death.
Comment by Daryll
You are so f*cked up, Daryll.
You and your “beliefs†would have a woman (or man) stay married to someone who beats the shit out of her/him and/or their children.
You don’t see something seriously wrong with that?
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
I did state that the bible permits them to separate, but you apparently didn't read my post completely.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:28 pmComment by Leftwingersaremoonbats — May 29, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
so why keep on beggin for an answer from me? why? if not for a free education?
Because you made a claim and have not been able to back it up.
c’mon kRank, still waiting for you to post where I have ever claimed to be a right winger……
Man, are you dense.
And third time you ignored the question:
Are you a Christian?
Kind of ironic, considering you earlier made the claim: you kids never answer questions that we ask
May 29th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI did state that the bible permits them to separate, but you apparently didn’t read my post completely. Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Did you also state that if the bible had been followed, you yourself would still have been a "slave"? As slavery is perfectly valid in the bible?
St*pid fool.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:36 pmdavid #183
( I think that's the right number)
I wanted to thank you for your most impressive post, very well said.
How sad it is that "religion" is the spark of so much violence and hate and war when they have no place in real belief and faith.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:40 pmDaryll, you really don’t seem to know the Bible at all. Have you been run through one of those awful Alpha courses? Or a quickie catechism?
Marriage is not really a concern of the early Christians. Paul thought one should avoid it if possible. Jesus’ comments on Divorce Laws aren’t meant as new laws at all. The Catholics have understood it that way, but the Protestants don’t. Like the Kosher Laws, Jesus calls us to be mindful of what we do and say. To mean it. This is meant as a repuke to the religiosity of the Philistines –and dare I say today’s fundamentalists.
Daryll, Jesus told you NOT TO JUDGE. So stop judging. And leftwingersareVirulentHaters, you’d do better to stop coveting the wisdom of others. It’s a sin. You talk too much of hate and war and damning your enemies. That’s so unChristlike. I just don’t know what the point of your pretending to be religious is supposed to accomplish.
Comment by david — May 29, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
Where in the bible does it state that marriage is not a concern, and please don't give me rhetoric from your clergyman because he's part of a religion created by man. God stated that man shouldn't alter the rules, which basically means that what ever is within the word (New Testament) is a valid law that must be followed. I could care less about philosophy from your religion/pastor. I only care about what is in the word of God. You should too. Be careful, your pastor may send you to hell. Also, Per the bible, there is only one religion, HOLINESS!! It's a dangerous thing to alter the word of God.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:41 pmcrump's brother
Very good point and I agree.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:43 pmstop kissing my feet and beggin for an answer. --Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
I'm not kissing your feet. I'm laughing at you! Wheeee!
May 29th, 2007 at 3:45 pmWhere in the bible does it state that marriage is not a concern, and please don’t give me rhetoric from your clergyman because he’s part of a religion created by man. Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
BAHAHA, and you aren't part of a religion created by *man*? Don't you think if your religion were created by a "god", he'd know the earth was *round*?
God stated that man shouldn’t alter the rules, which basically means that what ever is within the word (New Testament) is a valid law that must be followed. Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Actually a book written by *men* says that. YOU have no idea what *God* says, because that *book* you so trust has no two copies of its manuscript that are the same... And you have no idea who even *wrote* them - dum bass!
I could care less about philosophy from your religion/pastor. Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
And I could care less what fringe lunatic attitudes you have, from reading a bunch of lunatic writings of a bunch of strung out goat herders from 2000 years ago that thought the earth was "flat", that "slavery" was moral, that children were property to be "sold", and that women didn't have equal rights. You're a fool.
I only care about what is in the word of God. You should too. Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
You mean "word of man". If it were the "word of god", then every book of that "bible" wouldn't be so contradictory, and often patently "false".
Be careful, your pastor may send you to hell. Also, Per the bible, there is only one religion, HOLINESS!! It’s a dangerous thing to alter the word of God. Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Be careful, you f*ckers might create *hell* here from your Fanaticism - you lunatic idiot.
If it's a *dangerous* thing to alter the word of *god*, then how do you respond to the *fact* that this exactly what the Nicene Convention did in construction of the "first" bible - the one that your "copy" is derived from? How do you respond to the fact that of the thousands of copies of the "bible" books in the possession of the church - no two are "identical"? Which "copy" is correct - child?
May 29th, 2007 at 3:51 pmI only care about what is in the word of God. You should too.
Comment by Daryll
Daryll, does the Bible have a commandment against rape?
May 29th, 2007 at 3:52 pmIf so, which one is it?
If not, why not?
stop kissing my feet and beggin for an answer. –Comment by Leftwingersaremoonbats
I’m not kissing your feet. I’m laughing at you! Wheeee!
IN FACT, I THINK YOU ARE AN OUTRIGHT LIAR. You stated that the Ten Commandments prohibit rape and, if we were to research the Ten Commandments, that would be clear. Yet, you have avoided providing such clear evidence. YOU LIED WHEN YOU MADE THAT STATEMENT AND ARE NOW TRYING TO WEASEL YOUR WAY OUT OF IT.
And, I can show you where lying is prohibited by the Ten Commandments. Wheeee!
Have a lovely day!
May 29th, 2007 at 3:53 pmlefttwingbatshit you spew long enough your true racist feelings come screaming through.
YOU are an immigrant somewhere in your history you moron, we ALL ARE. The only nonimmigrants in America are Native Indians.
The won't be able to stop illegal immigration no matter what they do, as long as there are jobs here we will have illegals filling them. This country would fall apart fast if your racist dreams came true and we had impenatrable borders, corporations would die within weeks. We can not survive as a nation without the hard working Hispanics that do the jobs Americans are unwilling to. How many white people do you see picking crops? How many spoiled white people do you see willing to do that back breaking work? NONE which is why we need them. Your racism is once again clouding your ability to think clearly.
Hispanics are organized and powerful and DEMOCRATS for the most part.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:56 pmYippee!
Diversity ROCKS
I never thought I'd see the day when someone tries to justify and defend the Inquisition.
Yet here is a troll (and an effective one at that, judging by all the replies) who has done just that. Repeatedly.
It really does take a special kind of stupid to do such a thing.
.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:02 pmI only care about what is in the word of God. You should too.
Comment by Daryll
Daryll, does the Bible have a commandment against rape?
If so, which one is it?
If not, why not?
Comment by Newt Gringo — May 29, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Luke 18.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:02 pmDaryll, go to 1 Corinthinians 7:25-40. Paul has some problems with establishing new rules for his converts, but he thinks doing without marriage (that is, celebacy) would be better than marriage. This is, of course, when the followers of Christ still thought he'd return in their lifetime.
What kooky Church do you belong to, Daryll? The Bible is NOT the Word of God, but inspired by the Word of God. The New Testament is NOT the New Law. This is fundamentalist claptrap. The NT is an assemblage of four Gospel stories some letters and a coded pamphlet. The Gospels chosen were among a dozen or so circulating at the time --one might consult Elaine Pagels book. The letters, although they contain the odd inspiring word are NOT THE WORD OF GOD. They can't be. Paul actually says he's writing as Paul and his letters are addressing real problems in the First Century Church.
Alter the Word of God??? Don't make me laugh. You're twisting and distorting and interpreting verses willynilly and then cautioning others. Hahaha. Well, which pastor do you listen to, Daryll? Luther, Augustine, Erasmus, Kung, or perhaps Pat Robertson --LOL. The thing is that you have to consider what was really written, by whom, and why. Context matters. The opening verses of John change totally with a little knowledge of the pre-Socratics.
Grow up, Daryll. You're way in over your head. Just go to Church on Sunday, keep the Commandments, and do no harm. But don't preach. Please don't preach. A little learning is a dangerous thing, my child.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:05 pmlefttwingbatshit you spew long enough your true racist feelings come screaming through.
YOU are an immigrant somewhere in your history you moron, we ALL ARE. The only nonimmigrants in America are Native Indians.
The won’t be able to stop illegal immigration no matter what they do, as long as there are jobs here we will have illegals filling them. This country would fall apart fast if your racist dreams came true and we had impenatrable borders, corporations would die within weeks. We can not survive as a nation without the hard working Hispanics that do the jobs Americans are unwilling to. How many white people do you see picking crops? How many spoiled white people do you see willing to do that back breaking work? NONE which is why we need them. Your racism is once again clouding your ability to think clearly.
Hispanics are organized and powerful and DEMOCRATS for the most part.
Yippee!
Diversity ROCKS
Comment by Ginko — May 29, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
Sure, companies can survive. They refuse to pay Americans a livable wage. That is why illegals are in the factories, picking up my trash at work, etc. They're desperate or full of idiocy because they do not realize that they are being cheated and exploited.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:06 pmDaryll, does the Bible have a commandment against rape?
If so, which one is it?
If not, why not?
Comment by Newt Gringo — May 29, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Luke 18.
Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
So, there are 18 commandments now? Oh, wait -- i know! There really are twenty, just like in History of the World Part 1 only Moses didn't really drop the second stone tablet, right?
So what does the 18th Commandment say, exactly, Daryll?
May 29th, 2007 at 4:08 pmlefthater
Since you seem to divide the world into either Muslims or Christians ( ridiculous) I'd like to point out that shane is actually closer to being right than you are, if you include all religions on one side and christian on the other, the "other" wins by a landslide, there are far more NON christian people in this world than there are christians. That homeschool education you had clearly could use some inprovement in the area of math skills..
May 29th, 2007 at 4:08 pmDaryll, doesn't your Lord tell you to love the illegal immigrant and to forgive her and to see that she gets her papers. She is your neighbor, Daryll. Don't betray her like a Judas.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:11 pm#235
Sorry Daryll, but Luke 18 is not a commandment.
The poster named Leftwingersaremoonbats claims that one of the commandments does ban rape, but - despite Matthew 5:42 - will not state which commandment it is.
Would you care to try again?
May 29th, 2007 at 4:13 pmDaryll, go to 1 Corinthinians 7:25-40. Paul has some problems with establishing new rules for his converts, but he thinks doing without marriage (that is, celebacy) would be better than marriage. This is, of course, when the followers of Christ still thought he’d return in their lifetime.
What kooky Church do you belong to, Daryll? The Bible is NOT the Word of God, but inspired by the Word of God. The New Testament is NOT the New Law. This is fundamentalist claptrap. The NT is an assemblage of four Gospel stories some letters and a coded pamphlet. The Gospels chosen were among a dozen or so circulating at the time –one might consult Elaine Pagels book. The letters, although they contain the odd inspiring word are NOT THE WORD OF GOD. They can’t be. Paul actually says he’s writing as Paul and his letters are addressing real problems in the First Century Church.
Alter the Word of God??? Don’t make me laugh. You’re twisting and distorting and interpreting verses willynilly and then cautioning others. Hahaha. Well, which pastor do you listen to, Daryll? Luther, Augustine, Erasmus, Kung, or perhaps Pat Robertson –LOL. The thing is that you have to consider what was really written, by whom, and why. Context matters. The opening verses of John change totally with a little knowledge of the pre-Socratics.
Grow up, Daryll. You’re way in over your head. Just go to Church on Sunday, keep the Commandments, and do no harm. But don’t preach. Please don’t preach. A little learning is a dangerous thing, my child.
Comment by david — May 29, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Read Matthew and II Corinthians about Jesus' opinion on marriage and divorce. Read before you advise. Also, Paul (Disciple) was used by God to write those books. Paul even stated that he was influenced by God to write those books. It is a work of the Lord. Deal with it or prepare for hell. CHECKMATE!!!!!!
May 29th, 2007 at 4:15 pmDaryll, doesn’t your Lord tell you to love the illegal immigrant and to forgive her and to see that she gets her papers. She is your neighbor, Daryll. Don’t betray her like a Judas.
Comment by david — May 29, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Not when she breaks the law. Jesus said to follow the laws of the government (Julius Cesar).
May 29th, 2007 at 4:17 pm#235
Sorry Daryll, but Luke 18 is not a commandment.
The poster named Leftwingersaremoonbats claims that one of the commandments does ban rape, but - despite Matthew 5:42 - will not state which commandment it is.
Would you care to try again?
Comment by Newt Gringo — May 29, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
It's a law so it must be followed.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:19 pmDaryll, doesn’t your Lord tell you to love the illegal immigrant and to forgive her and to see that she gets her papers. She is your neighbor, Daryll. Don’t betray her like a Judas.
Comment by david — May 29, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
Not when she breaks the law. Jesus said to follow the laws of the government (Julius Cesar).
Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Then what was all that crap about "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..."? Did I just read that wrong in Sunday School?
May 29th, 2007 at 4:20 pmWould you care to try again?
Comment by Newt Gringo — May 29, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
It’s a law so it must be followed.
Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
Translation: No, I wouldn't care to try again.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:21 pmIt’s my opinion that religious belief, or lack thereof, is private. Separation of church and state works. Freedom of religion AND freedom from religion.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
Very well said and I think this view represents the majority view of those in the "Reality based" community.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:26 pmNewt Gringo, do you not know the tale of Dinah? Gensis 34. It's a curioius tale of forbidden love or rape or what you will. I've always taken the position that Dinah wasn't raped, but merely acted against her father's wishes.
However, the whole thing of rape is difficult to define as the status of women was very different 2500 years ago. And has only recently changed. (It was a big shift in the 1970s to charge a husband with rape.)
I like the tale of Dinah, because it's shocking and Dinah's voice is never heard. She's clearly a victim of her brother's pride. But I think the story bears study. Consider what Rabbi Isaac Sachs has to say HERE.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:26 pm#247
It's amazing - they can't find the correct answer to the question in a book that they claim has all the answers...
May 29th, 2007 at 4:29 pmNot when she breaks the law. Jesus said to follow the laws of the government (Julius Cesar).
Comment by Daryll
And if a governement outlaws christianity?
May 29th, 2007 at 4:32 pmI did state that the bible permits them to separate, but you apparently didn’t read my post completely.
Comment by Daryll
Yes, separation, blah blah. But you also said she is bound to the man until death, and if she marries another man she is fornicating, or some such shit.
There is something wrong with your mind, Daryll.
Oh, I know what it is -- you refuse to think for yourself.
Dismissed.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:32 pmDaryll,
God just told me to write this post.
He said to tell you to shut the fu*k up and quit making a mockery of yourself.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:32 pmSure, companies can survive. They refuse to pay Americans a livable wage. That is why illegals are in the factories, picking up my trash at work, etc. They’re desperate or full of idiocy because they do not realize that they are being cheated and exploited.
Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Clearly you know absolutely NOTHING about what you are talking about. They are being cheated, you are right about that, they are being cheated out of BILLIONS of tax dollars they pay because they are afraid to file for their refunds. The US takes those tax dollars when they should be refunded to the worker.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:33 pmThey are willing to work and work hard and that is why they are here. You are once again talking about something you know nothing about and have your facts wrong as usual. Your racism once again is coloring your view and blocking out the truth.
Why do you think the corporate repugs want this amnesty? They know their business and profit margins will suffer a tremendous blow if illegals are not there to get the job done!
#249
Somewhat interesting, but the subject here is not stories or parables.
Scroll up to post #64 to see the original question.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:37 pmdaryl
and by the way, I have sponsored several immigrants who are now American citizens and I will continue to do so as I try to live my life with a hand extended to those less fortunate than me. You should try it sometime, instead of trying to force feed your god and your views on others and allow them to follow their OWN BELIEFS. You go on your missions to foreign lands using food and other essentials as your bribe to try to force your god on them. They are desperate and willing to do anything to survive, including promising to follow your beliefs. To me that is extortion of the worst kind.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:38 pmDaryll, what Jesus says in Matthew about marriage is cryptic. And Paul is resigned to marriage. Being moved to write things doesn't mean one is being dictated to. And the very words said may have been corrupted and mistranslated and so every scholar must ponder the words for their meaning. How can you take as universal words written to a specific group in Corinth over 900 years ago? You have to temper the words with reason.
And Julius Caesar had been dead almost 70 years when Jesus spoke "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar and unto God what is God's". Again, Daryll, pack up your childish things and go home. This line is also cryptic. What does it mean? Did Jesus mean us to obey Tiberius? Or his successors Caligula and Nero? Don't make me laugh. You really are a nutter. Or are you proposing this as Jesus' Separation of Church & State clause? The verse is cryptic. It's a riddle, Daryll. Can you figure it out?
May 29th, 2007 at 4:39 pm#242 - david
Daryll never says what church he belongs to. I think he's ashamed to admit where he goes to church.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:40 pmI did state that the bible permits them to separate, but you apparently didn’t read my post completely.
Comment by Daryll
Yes, separation, blah blah. But you also said she is bound to the man until death, and if she marries another man she is fornicating, or some such shit.
There is something wrong with your mind, Daryll.
Oh, I know what it is — you refuse to think for yourself.
Dismissed.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
That's why I stated that you're supposed to go into marriage with a whole heart. You shouldn't compromise your standards and beliefs, and you shouldn't fornicate with the person before marriage. Marriage is a serious biblical pact. The problem is that society believes it is a casual pact.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:45 pmdaryl sounds like a Jehovah Witness
May 29th, 2007 at 4:45 pmah the truth is revealed, Daryl is a sexually frustrated virgin who is in a constant battle between god and his sexual desires.
Both hands above the table daryl! God is watching you! dont touch that serpent!
May 29th, 2007 at 4:50 pmVery well said and I think this view represents the majority view of those in the “Reality based†community.
Comment by Ginko
I have to keep reminding myself of that....
May 29th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWell, I'm not sure what that's all about Newt. The verses you want are Deuteronomy 22: 25-28.
Our understanding of psychology today has most progressive Jews & Christians extending the innocence to even the girl who could have called out for help by was afraid.
Daryll seems unaware that the Church had no opinion on abortion prior to a woman's quickening until the late 19thC. And that was largely in response to the rise of women's rights and contraception.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:54 pmThat’s why I stated that you’re supposed to go into marriage with a whole heart. You shouldn’t compromise your standards and beliefs, and you shouldn’t fornicate with the person before marriage. Marriage is a serious biblical pact. The problem is that society believes it is a casual pact.
Comment by Daryll
For shame, Daryll.
I hope you get exactly what you deserve in life.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:00 pmThat’s why I stated that you’re supposed to go into marriage with a whole heart. You shouldn’t compromise your standards and beliefs, and you shouldn’t fornicate with the person before marriage. Marriage is a serious biblical pact. The problem is that society believes it is a casual pact. Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Another cranky closet case virgin - poor thing. No wonder you're so full of *loathing* and *ignorance* - you pathetic little hateful piece of sh*t. We'd all feel sorry for you, if you weren't such a royal *ssh*le.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:05 pm#242 - david
Daryll never says what church he belongs to. I think he’s ashamed to admit where he goes to church.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
http://truthofgod.com
May 29th, 2007 at 5:06 pmNot when she breaks the law. Jesus said to follow the laws of the government (Julius Cesar). Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
So then if those laws say it's *legal* to be gay (they do), then you can finally follow them and get over your self loathing?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:07 pmAnother cranky closet case virgin - poor thing. No wonder you’re so full of *loathing* and *ignorance* - you pathetic little hateful piece of sh*t. We’d all feel sorry for you, if you weren’t such a royal *ssh*le.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
As if no one has ever pulled the old "bait & switch" on a spouse. Marriage as a life sentence....
May 29th, 2007 at 5:08 pmDaryll, does the Bible have a commandment against rape?
If so, which one is it?
If not, why not?
Comment by Newt Gringo — May 29, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Luke 18.
Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
So you're for a "Rapists" rights? One where the man has a right to "rape" a woman, and his punishment is that she's forced to marry her? Or where the man has the right to rape a woman, and his punishment is that she has to carry his child?
Wow, you're a sick f*ck Daryll - no wonder you're a terrorist leaning Right Wingnut sicko!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:08 pmah the truth is revealed, Daryl is a sexually frustrated virgin who is in a constant battle between god and his sexual desires.
Both hands above the table daryl! God is watching you! dont touch that serpent!
Comment by Ginko — May 29, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
I have a wife.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:09 pmMarriage is a serious biblical pact. The problem is that society believes it is a casual pact.
Comment by Daryll
Now since you are a bible literalist, do you take 1 wife, or does the bible suggest poligamy?
this issue the bible contradicts itself, as it does on multiple issues.
Lamech, Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon, and others all had multiple wives. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines
Yet in Deuteronomy 17:14-20, that the kings were not supposed to have multiple wives. This most definitely put most of the old testimate proffets in direct disobedience against the Lord.
No wonder you "bible scholars" are so freaking confused.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:10 pmI have a wife.
Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
So, you married her despite being a repressed Homosexual? You're a selfish f*cker!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:10 pmAs if no one has ever pulled the old “bait & switch†on a spouse. Marriage as a life sentence…. Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
That's what Daryll is counting on. Otherwise, an *ssh*le like him is f*cked! Unless she believes in putting up with a repressive, abusive, self loathing closet case - he's completely f*cked!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:11 pmdaryl
and by the way, I have sponsored several immigrants who are now American citizens and I will continue to do so as I try to live my life with a hand extended to those less fortunate than me. You should try it sometime, instead of trying to force feed your god and your views on others and allow them to follow their OWN BELIEFS. You go on your missions to foreign lands using food and other essentials as your bribe to try to force your god on them. They are desperate and willing to do anything to survive, including promising to follow your beliefs. To me that is extortion of the worst kind.
Comment by Ginko — May 29, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Are you sure you were a sponsor or were you an accessory to a crime.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:13 pmAre you sure you were a sponsor or were you an accessory to a crime. Comment by Daryll — May 29, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Are you sure you are "godly" and "moral", or are you just a wingnut terrorist immoral criminal?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:15 pmhttp://truthofgod.com
Comment by Daryll
Your church discriminates openly against women. on the site it States no women can be preachers.
After looking at your church's web site, I now understand why you, yourself, have such a screwed up viewpoint.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:18 pmdaryl,
your racist attitudes towards Hispanics are showing again. god doesn't like that! better go pray real hard.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:18 pmFrom Daryll's Church web site, it states women must also cover their heads when praying or they are sinning.
Your preacher is as migonistic as you showin your posts, Daryll.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:28 pmFrom Daryll’s Church web site, it states women must also cover their heads when praying or they are sinning.
Your preacher is as migonistic as you showin your posts, Daryll.
Comment by Wayne — May 29, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Yeah, it's the same requirement as the Taliban and Muslim fundamentalists - they just require it "in-doors" instead of "out-of-doors". The requirements come from the same religious origins. Ironic - eh?
Daryll only hates the *other* fundamentalists, because he's such a zealot he doesn't realize he hates them because they're JUST like he is!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:43 pmYour church discriminates openly against women. on the site it States no women can be preachers.
After looking at your church’s web site, I now understand why you, yourself, have such a screwed up viewpoint.
Comment by Wayne
Big eye-opener there. Yikes.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:46 pmDaryll never says what church he belongs to. I think he’s ashamed to admit where he goes to church.
Comment by Zooey
He's probably one of those Baptists that plays with snakes.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:46 pmFrom Daryll’s Church web site, it states women must also cover their heads when praying or they are sinning.
Comment by Wayne
Do they equate praying with sinning? Or do they need a signal when a woman is sinning? They can't tell by looking....or doing?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pmshane
If understand the site correctly he doesn't believe in the Trinity and says if you don't speak in tongues you aren't really saved. He also seems to say if you don't agree with him you're going to Hell.
Yup, definately in the snake handler camp.
scary folks!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmHe’s probably one of those Baptists that plays with snakes.
Comment by Shane
If understand the site correctly he doesn’t believe in the Trinity and says if you don’t speak in tongues you aren’t really saved. He also seems to say if you don’t agree with him you’re going to Hell.
Comment by Ginko
Daryll's unfortunate children will probably be going to "Jesus Camp."
Scary!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:39 pmokay, upon working a busy schedule after the holiday, I thought for sure I'd be finished posting here.
But viola, St. daryll posts misinformation, and I feel I have to respond:
Dude, if you're not a parody, you're brainwashed, plain and simple.
No wonder you remained "sacred" until marriage at 40. Most women would not put up with the "man is better" mentality your organization (not a church) believes.
No offense, but my wife is quite the Christian, and believe you me, she is definetly not subservent (Hell, being vertically challenged, she's got more of a chip on her shoulder then Dick Cheney...and that's what I love about her. We can be challenged about certain aspects of Christianity, and ,you know, talk about said subject. Example: She doesn't feel her best friend should go to Hell for being Jewish. We discuss. but according to you, I should beat her for questioning? Uh, no. Not if I prize my jewels, if you know what I mean)
Anyways, take heed, ol' confused one. Follow the words of PLC and david, who happen to be two of the most intellictual, informative followers of religion you and I shall ever come across!
Your goal is to save many souls here on TP. My goal is to steer you from the blind, uninformative- following mentality (such as the Taliban), to dwelve deeply into the word of Our Lord, and to understand that the ideology of Christianity is not of blind obedience, but of a humble, personal relationship with Jesus.
That is the first step.
Without that, you have nothing.
Are you willing to take that leap?
Just sayin' (rambling)
May 29th, 2007 at 7:54 pmWell, I go to dinner and find you guys have run poor Daryll to ground like a fox chased by the hounds. LOL.
Daryll, Daryll. Why are you following that man? You do realize he's committing half a dozen heresies right on his website. And is this the pastor who, as a recruiting stunt, will take a sledge hammer to a plaster statue of the Virgin Mary? Is he one of those guys who cannot deal with the Trinity? Or the idea that Jesus was wholly human? (That's what's behind the mystery of the Trinity.)
Dear Daryll, your pastor Gino Jennings is a fraud. He said he's had a vision and then he's gone and preached nothing but how to live 2000 years ago. Good Gawd, Daryll! If you wanted that, I can recommend some good Hassidic texts. Or perhaps Old Order Mennonite. But this Gino guy is bad news and he's leading you away from any understanding of the Christianity. And by that I mean what 90% of professed Christians understand it to be.
Do yourself a favour, my child. Go and get Ken Davis' Don't know much about the Bible. It's a simple overview of the Bible for grownups. It's an easy read, but I'm afraid it'll shock someone like you. And yet it's all up to date and supported by the latest scholarship.
Sorry, kid. I guess we should've known you were way way out on the fringe.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:18 pmI quote the band Genesis:
You see the face on the tv screen
Coming at you every sunday
See that face on the billboard
That man is me
On the cover of the magazine
Theres no question why Im smiling
You buy a piece of paradise
You buy a piece of me
Ill get you everything you wanted
Ill get you everything you need
Dont need to believe in hereafter
Just believe in me
Cos jesus he knows me
And he knows Im right
Ive been talking to jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows Im right
And hes been telling me
Everything is alright
I believe in the family
With my ever loving wife beside me
But she dont know about my girlfriend
Or the man I met last night
Do you believe in god
Cos thats what Im selling
And if you wanna get to heaven
Ill see you right
You wont even have to leave your house
Or get outta your chair
You dont even have to touch that dial
Cos Im everywhere
And jesus he knows me
And he knows Im right
Ive been talking to jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows Im right
Well hes been telling me
Everythings gonna be alright
Wont find me practising what Im preaching
Wont find me making no sacrifice
But I can get you a pocketful of miracles
If you promise to be good, try to be nice
God will take good care of you
Just do as I say, dont do as I do
Im counting my blessings,
Ive found true happiness
Cos Im getting richer, day by day
You can find me in the phone book,
Just call my toll free number
You can do it anyway you want
Just do it right away
Therell be no doubt in your mind
Youll believe everything Im saying
If you wanna get closer to him
Get on your knees and start paying
Cos jesus he knows me
And he knows Im right
Ive been talking to jesus all my life
Oh yes he knows me
And he knows Im right
Well hes been telling me
Everythings gonna be alright, alright
Jesus he knows me
Jesus he knows me, you know...
Nuff said.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:31 pmNo offense, but my wife is quite the Christian, and believe you me, she is definetly not subservent (Hell, being vertically challenged, she’s got more of a chip on her shoulder then Dick Cheney
Comment by DRxJ
LOL
May 30th, 2007 at 2:31 amMy daughter is, 24, 5'4", petite, but has a 2nd Dan in Tang Su Do as well as 3 older brothers she grew up sparring with.
She can break concrete blocks with her fists.
Pitty the man that ever tries to force her submit to his will.
=D
No offense, but my wife is quite the Christian, and believe you me, she is definetly not subservent (Hell, being vertically challenged, she’s got more of a chip on her shoulder then Dick Cheney…and that’s what I love about her. We can be challenged about certain aspects of Christianity, and ,you know, talk about said subject. Example: She doesn’t feel her best friend should go to Hell for being Jewish. We discuss. but according to you, I should beat her for questioning? Uh, no. Not if I prize my jewels, if you know what I mean)
Comment by DRxJ — May 29, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Once again DrxJ, she is not a christian. The definition of Christian is Christ-like. If she's not following his guidelines, she is not being Christ-like, and, therefore, is not a christian. Two, I've made this statement before, she's not your wife. She belongs to her ex-husband. She can only divorce her spouse, once she views him commiting adultery. Even then, she still can't re-marry until he is deceased. Currently, she's a adulteress and you're a fornicator. You're not married. Your relationship is equivalent to two individuals having an intimate relationship without being married. If you want to go to heaven, leave her now!!! I understand that she was abused, and no woman should have to deal with any form of abuse. But the bible states that she can separate from her spouse. They both need to attend marriage counseling to resolved his issue and mend their marriage. Find a single woman that hasn't been married before. Listed below are scriptural texts for your to read:
Mattew 5:
31"It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'[a] 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
Genesis 2:
20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam [a] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [b] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [c] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. 23 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, [d] ' for she was taken out of man."24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
Malachi 2:
16 "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself [a] with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.
Matthew 19:
6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Mark 10:
11He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."
Luke 16:
18"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Romans 7:
2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man.
I Corinthians 7:
10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
Revelations 19:
May 30th, 2007 at 9:52 am9Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!' " And he added, "These are the true words of God."