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		<title>By: Larry Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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How Bush, the Far Right, and Big Business Are Betraying Americans for Power and Profit

Letâ€™s take a very close, very honest look at whatâ€™s been going on in this country, the United States of America, and letâ€™s see what we can come up with. A relatively recent federal criminal investigation of Kerik waves a HUGE RED FLAG about the unexplainable decisions made by President Bush, Vice President Cheney, the Republican front-runner to replace him (Giuliani) and Attorney General Gonzales. Thinking back on how Giuliani put forward a flawed candidate for high office, how Bush rushed the usual process in his eagerness to install a political ally and how Gonzales, as White House counsel, failed to stop the nomination despite the many warning signs of which Julie Meyers was aware well in advance. Obviously, then, Gonzales rushed in to take the vetting process into his own hands with the objective of making sure the nomination was not stopped and to prevent the public outrage that was coming at the Bush administration should the publicâ€™s suspicion prove true that our own President put a pathetic, uneducated criminal in the most powerful position of the presidentâ€™s cabinet all just to serve his sinister purpose of gaining a political ally to do his dirty work from the position that would be easiest. 

I donâ€™t know if anybodyâ€™s noticed, but Bushâ€™s entire presidential foundation rests on what he has our troops doing in Iraq with this ridiculous â€œWar on Terror.â€ Come on, what better position to promote and validate that â€œWar on Terrorâ€ than HOMELAND SECURITY?!?!? Wars make money, thatâ€™s been true throughout the history of this country â€“ we all learn about it in grade school and high school â€“ a wartime economy is a flourishing one. Lately, one big question buzzing amongst the people has been, well, then what the hell happened here? Haha. This war is making plenty of money. For Bush and the Bush administration â€“ Cheney, Giuliani, Kerik, Gonzalesâ€¦ come on, these guys are doing business, baby! Theyâ€™re making big money! Theyâ€™re rolling in the $$$$$. Itâ€™s an enterprise. A Criminal Enterprise.  What are the American people doing in the mean time? Getting played. What are the American troops doing â€œover thereâ€? Dying. For what noble cause did our good old President Bush send these young men and women to Iraq? To put money in his pocket of course. Thatâ€™s right, moms and dads, brothers and sisters of those brave young men and women who were sent to Iraq based on a lie â€“ itâ€™s your sons and daughters lives, your brotherâ€™s and sisterâ€™s lives that are being traded off to fatten up the wallets of some very crafty, very sinister criminals who wear suits and strut around Capitol Hill committing crimes and debasing everything that makes the United States of America a wonderful and honorable country â€“ a country â€œfor the People, by the People.â€ Oh but donâ€™t worry, Bush isnâ€™t a rude guy â€“ heâ€™s sharing the wealth with his buddies in the Bush administration who are members of a criminal political enterprise built up by and in the Republican party. Now that some of the bad apples are finally falling off the tree, the truth is seeping out around the edges of the lies that cloaked the Bush administration â€“ a strong lesson can be learned here, - when youâ€™re too arrogant, your criminal activity inevitably gets messy. Apparently, a person who reaches this level of arrogance wouldnâ€™t recognize his cue to â€œquit while youâ€™re aheadâ€ even if it smacked him between the eyebrows. People are resigning left and right. What does Bush do? Well, itâ€™s his typical move when things get rocky and his speed + secrecy formula doesnâ€™t work. Itâ€™s just what he did with having Gonzales personally take charge of the vetting process when information about Kerikâ€™s not-so-clean background leaked out in the press at the time of the Homeland Security Nomination. Bush turns to the aid of one of his cronies, his political allies, his partners in crime, whatever you want to call them, and has them validate his actions. This time, when everyone is questioning the war in Iraq harder than ever, and some Democrats out there on Capitol Hill are finally trying to put their foot down and refuse giving Bush whatever the hell he wants, specifically more funding for his â€œWar on Terrorism.â€ What does Bush do in response? He announces that he will veto any funding that doesnâ€™t last him more than the next few months, and â€“ out of nowhere â€“ appoints â€œWar Czars.â€ What the hell is a War Czar? I love how Bush just makes up all these special little positions that oh-so-conveniently fit perfectly into a solution to get him out of a shameful political pickle. Well, I would be willing to bet a pretty penny that these War Czars are going to conveniently agree with, substantiate and validate Bushâ€™s firm stand on his decision to stay in Iraq longer. I donâ€™t know, I could be wrong, but it just seems to fit the pattern. 

The opportunity presents itself now to hold Bush, Cheney, Giuliani, Kerik, Tenet, Wolfowitz, Greenspan, Gonzales, and plenty more involved responsible for the mess they have made of this country both at home and in foreign affairs. America must seize the opportunity and demand the whole truth about the scandals these men have been pulling off on us behind our backs. Donâ€™t forget, these men are scrambling to make sure America does not get the whole truth â€“ thatâ€™s the only way they can save themselves from suffering the consequences of their actions â€“ crimes committed behind closed doors.

 My real serious question is, Will America merely accept the faÃ§ade Bush fabricates for us yet again, or will we wise up this time? It seems we have been more and more. And I have to say, I have been rooting for all of my fellow citizens here in America, because I have a lot of respect for this country and the people in it. We should be proud to be Americans. Donâ€™t forget, the people who came to this country and made us the United States of America â€“ our Forefathers â€“ were people who came here emotionally beat up and battered, and they established what became the most powerful country in the world! The evolution of this country is very much infused with a Darwinistic survival of the fittest dynamic. There is something to be said for that. We Americans pioneered so much from the industrial revolution right up to the huge forum of business and culture in what has become one of the capitols of the world â€“ our very own New York City. Trust me, people, it was New York City long before Rudolph Giuliani. He didnâ€™t make it, he didnâ€™t bring it the sense of community New Yorkers feel, and he certainly didnâ€™t rescue it â€“He defiled it. A New Yorker has always been a New Yorker, long before Rudy Giuliani was even born. As a New Yorker myself, I know we are not the type to tolerate his lies. I donâ€™t care how many glorified pictures we have of him waving and looking self-righteous in the midst of the debris that was the Twin Towers. The only thing Rudy Giuliani ever did for NYC was disgrace it and offend its people by fooling them for a few years. 
Giuliani possesses what I like to call the allure of toxic leaders. Letâ€™s face it, in most cases, we choose our bad leaders, they do not kidnap us. We choose them because they soothe our fears. Giulianiâ€™s political career was plummeting downwards until one decisive day that turned everything around â€“ 9/11. Ever since then, he has done a masterful job of manipulating the American people. He took up the role of Americaâ€™s Mayor and suddenly became an expert on terrorism. First of all, I personally have gone to other countries and done counter terrorism work (counter terrorism is what I have been doing for over twenty years â€“ I work in Intelligence for the CIA and DIA), and I can assure you that Rudy Giuliani can walk around Ground Zero in clouds of  smoke all he wants, but thatâ€™s all the Rudy Giuliani the American public knows is â€“ clouds of smoke. One thing that stands out in Giulianiâ€™s political career is his recommendation of Bernard Kerik for Homeland Security. Itâ€™s not at all difficult to see that Kerik is at best â€œa flawed candidateâ€ â€“ he didnâ€™t even graduate high school, he is the son of a prostitute and he grew up a street-smart criminal in Passaic County. We all know that Kerik is a criminal now though, because Kerik has already been arrested twice, indicted and is currently under federal investigation â€“ and thatâ€™s only the tip of the ice-berg. As Washington Post notes, â€œAfter Kerik withdrew, Ray became the central witness in several investigations.â€ Ray refers to Larry Ray, - thatâ€™s me. I am the man responsible for a lot of what you have been seeing on the news lately including the exposure of  Bush, Cheney and Gonzales. I had to start by exposing Bernie (Kerik) and continue from there. After I released the information I had about Kerik in Nov. â€™04, an already vicious campaign Bush, Cheney, Giuliani, Kerik, Gonzales, and Chris Christie had going on against me to discredit and destroy me suddenly took a sharp turn into something brutal to get to me by torturing my children. For more of the truth and easy ways that you can help bring it out to the rest of our fellow Americans without even having to move from your computer, go to my site: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthwins.info/vice-president-cheneytake-down-this-corruption/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.truthwins.info/vice-president-cheneytake-down-this-corruption/&lt;/a&gt;

When I think of Bush and his associates, one word comes to mind: PREMEDITATED. 

You want to know where the crimes are? Just look at any Bush administration appointments and ask the question, â€œWhat is the utility to George Bush and Dick Cheney?â€ Next question, â€œWhat is the quid pro quo?â€ 

I would like to send my prayers out to all those who we remember on Memorial Day, including those whom we have recently lost in Iraq. God bless those brave souls, and God bless their families. God forgive those who have lied to get us into war with Iraq to begin with and who continue to lie to keep us there. 


Faithfully,
Larry Ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.truthwins.info" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
<p>How Bush, the Far Right, and Big Business Are Betraying Americans for Power and Profit</p>
<p>Letâ€™s take a very close, very honest look at whatâ€™s been going on in this country, the United States of America, and letâ€™s see what we can come up with. A relatively recent federal criminal investigation of Kerik waves a HUGE RED FLAG about the unexplainable decisions made by President Bush, Vice President Cheney, the Republican front-runner to replace him (Giuliani) and Attorney General Gonzales. Thinking back on how Giuliani put forward a flawed candidate for high office, how Bush rushed the usual process in his eagerness to install a political ally and how Gonzales, as White House counsel, failed to stop the nomination despite the many warning signs of which Julie Meyers was aware well in advance. Obviously, then, Gonzales rushed in to take the vetting process into his own hands with the objective of making sure the nomination was not stopped and to prevent the public outrage that was coming at the Bush administration should the publicâ€™s suspicion prove true that our own President put a pathetic, uneducated criminal in the most powerful position of the presidentâ€™s cabinet all just to serve his sinister purpose of gaining a political ally to do his dirty work from the position that would be easiest. </p>
<p>I donâ€™t know if anybodyâ€™s noticed, but Bushâ€™s entire presidential foundation rests on what he has our troops doing in Iraq with this ridiculous â€œWar on Terror.â€ Come on, what better position to promote and validate that â€œWar on Terrorâ€ than HOMELAND SECURITY?!?!? Wars make money, thatâ€™s been true throughout the history of this country â€“ we all learn about it in grade school and high school â€“ a wartime economy is a flourishing one. Lately, one big question buzzing amongst the people has been, well, then what the hell happened here? Haha. This war is making plenty of money. For Bush and the Bush administration â€“ Cheney, Giuliani, Kerik, Gonzalesâ€¦ come on, these guys are doing business, baby! Theyâ€™re making big money! Theyâ€™re rolling in the $$$$$. Itâ€™s an enterprise. A Criminal Enterprise.  What are the American people doing in the mean time? Getting played. What are the American troops doing â€œover thereâ€? Dying. For what noble cause did our good old President Bush send these young men and women to Iraq? To put money in his pocket of course. Thatâ€™s right, moms and dads, brothers and sisters of those brave young men and women who were sent to Iraq based on a lie â€“ itâ€™s your sons and daughters lives, your brotherâ€™s and sisterâ€™s lives that are being traded off to fatten up the wallets of some very crafty, very sinister criminals who wear suits and strut around Capitol Hill committing crimes and debasing everything that makes the United States of America a wonderful and honorable country â€“ a country â€œfor the People, by the People.â€ Oh but donâ€™t worry, Bush isnâ€™t a rude guy â€“ heâ€™s sharing the wealth with his buddies in the Bush administration who are members of a criminal political enterprise built up by and in the Republican party. Now that some of the bad apples are finally falling off the tree, the truth is seeping out around the edges of the lies that cloaked the Bush administration â€“ a strong lesson can be learned here, &#8211; when youâ€™re too arrogant, your criminal activity inevitably gets messy. Apparently, a person who reaches this level of arrogance wouldnâ€™t recognize his cue to â€œquit while youâ€™re aheadâ€ even if it smacked him between the eyebrows. People are resigning left and right. What does Bush do? Well, itâ€™s his typical move when things get rocky and his speed + secrecy formula doesnâ€™t work. Itâ€™s just what he did with having Gonzales personally take charge of the vetting process when information about Kerikâ€™s not-so-clean background leaked out in the press at the time of the Homeland Security Nomination. Bush turns to the aid of one of his cronies, his political allies, his partners in crime, whatever you want to call them, and has them validate his actions. This time, when everyone is questioning the war in Iraq harder than ever, and some Democrats out there on Capitol Hill are finally trying to put their foot down and refuse giving Bush whatever the hell he wants, specifically more funding for his â€œWar on Terrorism.â€ What does Bush do in response? He announces that he will veto any funding that doesnâ€™t last him more than the next few months, and â€“ out of nowhere â€“ appoints â€œWar Czars.â€ What the hell is a War Czar? I love how Bush just makes up all these special little positions that oh-so-conveniently fit perfectly into a solution to get him out of a shameful political pickle. Well, I would be willing to bet a pretty penny that these War Czars are going to conveniently agree with, substantiate and validate Bushâ€™s firm stand on his decision to stay in Iraq longer. I donâ€™t know, I could be wrong, but it just seems to fit the pattern. </p>
<p>The opportunity presents itself now to hold Bush, Cheney, Giuliani, Kerik, Tenet, Wolfowitz, Greenspan, Gonzales, and plenty more involved responsible for the mess they have made of this country both at home and in foreign affairs. America must seize the opportunity and demand the whole truth about the scandals these men have been pulling off on us behind our backs. Donâ€™t forget, these men are scrambling to make sure America does not get the whole truth â€“ thatâ€™s the only way they can save themselves from suffering the consequences of their actions â€“ crimes committed behind closed doors.</p>
<p> My real serious question is, Will America merely accept the faÃ§ade Bush fabricates for us yet again, or will we wise up this time? It seems we have been more and more. And I have to say, I have been rooting for all of my fellow citizens here in America, because I have a lot of respect for this country and the people in it. We should be proud to be Americans. Donâ€™t forget, the people who came to this country and made us the United States of America â€“ our Forefathers â€“ were people who came here emotionally beat up and battered, and they established what became the most powerful country in the world! The evolution of this country is very much infused with a Darwinistic survival of the fittest dynamic. There is something to be said for that. We Americans pioneered so much from the industrial revolution right up to the huge forum of business and culture in what has become one of the capitols of the world â€“ our very own New York City. Trust me, people, it was New York City long before Rudolph Giuliani. He didnâ€™t make it, he didnâ€™t bring it the sense of community New Yorkers feel, and he certainly didnâ€™t rescue it â€“He defiled it. A New Yorker has always been a New Yorker, long before Rudy Giuliani was even born. As a New Yorker myself, I know we are not the type to tolerate his lies. I donâ€™t care how many glorified pictures we have of him waving and looking self-righteous in the midst of the debris that was the Twin Towers. The only thing Rudy Giuliani ever did for NYC was disgrace it and offend its people by fooling them for a few years.<br />
Giuliani possesses what I like to call the allure of toxic leaders. Letâ€™s face it, in most cases, we choose our bad leaders, they do not kidnap us. We choose them because they soothe our fears. Giulianiâ€™s political career was plummeting downwards until one decisive day that turned everything around â€“ 9/11. Ever since then, he has done a masterful job of manipulating the American people. He took up the role of Americaâ€™s Mayor and suddenly became an expert on terrorism. First of all, I personally have gone to other countries and done counter terrorism work (counter terrorism is what I have been doing for over twenty years â€“ I work in Intelligence for the CIA and DIA), and I can assure you that Rudy Giuliani can walk around Ground Zero in clouds of  smoke all he wants, but thatâ€™s all the Rudy Giuliani the American public knows is â€“ clouds of smoke. One thing that stands out in Giulianiâ€™s political career is his recommendation of Bernard Kerik for Homeland Security. Itâ€™s not at all difficult to see that Kerik is at best â€œa flawed candidateâ€ â€“ he didnâ€™t even graduate high school, he is the son of a prostitute and he grew up a street-smart criminal in Passaic County. We all know that Kerik is a criminal now though, because Kerik has already been arrested twice, indicted and is currently under federal investigation â€“ and thatâ€™s only the tip of the ice-berg. As Washington Post notes, â€œAfter Kerik withdrew, Ray became the central witness in several investigations.â€ Ray refers to Larry Ray, &#8211; thatâ€™s me. I am the man responsible for a lot of what you have been seeing on the news lately including the exposure of  Bush, Cheney and Gonzales. I had to start by exposing Bernie (Kerik) and continue from there. After I released the information I had about Kerik in Nov. â€™04, an already vicious campaign Bush, Cheney, Giuliani, Kerik, Gonzales, and Chris Christie had going on against me to discredit and destroy me suddenly took a sharp turn into something brutal to get to me by torturing my children. For more of the truth and easy ways that you can help bring it out to the rest of our fellow Americans without even having to move from your computer, go to my site: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthwins.info/vice-president-cheneytake-down-this-corruption/" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthwins.info/vice-president-cheneytake-down-this-corruption/</a></p>
<p>When I think of Bush and his associates, one word comes to mind: PREMEDITATED. </p>
<p>You want to know where the crimes are? Just look at any Bush administration appointments and ask the question, â€œWhat is the utility to George Bush and Dick Cheney?â€ Next question, â€œWhat is the quid pro quo?â€ </p>
<p>I would like to send my prayers out to all those who we remember on Memorial Day, including those whom we have recently lost in Iraq. God bless those brave souls, and God bless their families. God forgive those who have lied to get us into war with Iraq to begin with and who continue to lie to keep us there. </p>
<p>Faithfully,<br />
Larry Ray<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3833172', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: willrayu</title>
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		<dc:creator>willrayu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 13:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally someone said what I&#039;ve been saying ever since 9/11. Neither Bush or Guliani did anything extrordinary after the attacks of 9/11, they just happened to be the President and the Mayor and the Republican controlled corporate media trumpted them up to be heroes. They are both phonies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally someone said what I&#8217;ve been saying ever since 9/11. Neither Bush or Guliani did anything extrordinary after the attacks of 9/11, they just happened to be the President and the Mayor and the Republican controlled corporate media trumpted them up to be heroes. They are both phonies.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3831310', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 00:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see Rudy cleans up NY making it livable; puts the bad guys  in jail where they deserve to be; make the FF unions look bad by making them take responsiblity for decisions they made about radios et al and the people on this site say he is the loser?  First more FF radios on 9/11 worked than didn&#039;t.  Second the FF didn&#039;t leave the buildings because they were rescuing people (civlians and fellow injured rescue workers), not because they didn&#039;t get the order. Third Rudy is considered a leader because he acted like on on 9/11 and the days after.  Review his actions vs the idiot in New Orleans after the natural disaster, Katrina (a disaster one that came with ample warning...9/11 did not).  Just because he didn&#039;t put out fires or pull others from the ruble doesn&#039;t mean he wasn&#039;t a leader.  
The FF died on 9/11 because they were men of courage who went into buring buildings to save lives.  They did just that.  9/11 was caused by radical Islamic terrorists bent on destroying.  Please people, get a grip and start dealing in the facts. 

My brother died that day.  HIS RADIO WORKED.  HE ORDERED HIS MEN OUT BY RADIO. THEY LIVED. My brothers death isn&#039;t due to Rudy Guiliani, it&#039;s due to 19 Islamic terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see Rudy cleans up NY making it livable; puts the bad guys  in jail where they deserve to be; make the FF unions look bad by making them take responsiblity for decisions they made about radios et al and the people on this site say he is the loser?  First more FF radios on 9/11 worked than didn&#8217;t.  Second the FF didn&#8217;t leave the buildings because they were rescuing people (civlians and fellow injured rescue workers), not because they didn&#8217;t get the order. Third Rudy is considered a leader because he acted like on on 9/11 and the days after.  Review his actions vs the idiot in New Orleans after the natural disaster, Katrina (a disaster one that came with ample warning&#8230;9/11 did not).  Just because he didn&#8217;t put out fires or pull others from the ruble doesn&#8217;t mean he wasn&#8217;t a leader.<br />
The FF died on 9/11 because they were men of courage who went into buring buildings to save lives.  They did just that.  9/11 was caused by radical Islamic terrorists bent on destroying.  Please people, get a grip and start dealing in the facts. </p>
<p>My brother died that day.  HIS RADIO WORKED.  HE ORDERED HIS MEN OUT BY RADIO. THEY LIVED. My brothers death isn&#8217;t due to Rudy Guiliani, it&#8217;s due to 19 Islamic terrorists.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3830678', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Judy Wynia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Wynia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never could figure out what all of the Rudy Guliani hullabaloo was  about for this guy. Are people really so stupid that they would vote for a guy who has absolutely no qualifications, and his only major accomplishment was: that he was mayor of a city that was bombed by terrorists! &quot;Good grief&quot; The news stations have stated repeatedly that this guy has absolutely nothing going for him other than 911, (and yet they also say that he has the popularity of a rockstar as far as republicans are concerned). Would they actually really vote for this guy? But hey if they would vote for George Bush... &quot;Give em hell firefighters&quot;. Somebody has to set these Rudy followers straight. &quot;Jeesh&quot; Most people didn&#039;t even know who this guy was before 911, and he has probably made quite a fortune because of that terrible tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never could figure out what all of the Rudy Guliani hullabaloo was  about for this guy. Are people really so stupid that they would vote for a guy who has absolutely no qualifications, and his only major accomplishment was: that he was mayor of a city that was bombed by terrorists! &#8220;Good grief&#8221; The news stations have stated repeatedly that this guy has absolutely nothing going for him other than 911, (and yet they also say that he has the popularity of a rockstar as far as republicans are concerned). Would they actually really vote for this guy? But hey if they would vote for George Bush&#8230; &#8220;Give em hell firefighters&#8221;. Somebody has to set these Rudy followers straight. &#8220;Jeesh&#8221; Most people didn&#8217;t even know who this guy was before 911, and he has probably made quite a fortune because of that terrible tragedy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3828601', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: null</title>
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		<dc:creator>null</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 01:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, why are these heroes so un-American?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, why are these heroes so un-American?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3828577', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Spo_K_Calb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spo_K_Calb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 01:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I posted this on a previous thread, back on 4/25.)


Gulliani did what any other mayor of a U.S. city would have done under the same circumstances. He gathered and conveyed information. 

All of the institutions necessary to get NYC back on its feet after the attacks were more than happy to assist him with key decisions in any way possible. As they would have done for any mayor in his situation. 

What would have been impressive is if he had actually said â€œWTF???!!!!â€ when Whitman said the air at Ground Zero was â€œfine.â€

â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”

However, Giuliani maintained Sunday that he was honest and open about air quality issues. 

â€œI put out all the reports that existed,â€ Giuliani said. â€œOf course the reports that I put out were the same thing that Christie Whitman was saying publicly.â€

One report the city apparently didnâ€™t put out was an explosive memo from the EPA to the city Health Department dated Oct. 5, 2001. It didnâ€™t mince words, stating of ground zero: â€œthis siteâ€¦poses threats to workers related to potential exposure to hazardous substances.â€

Three weeks after the EPA memo, Giulianiâ€™s environmental commissioner, Joel Miele, was still saying the air was safe. 

â€œFor the residents and people who are working in the open area that has been created downtown there is no realistic danger to the health,â€ Miele said.

Responding to Giulianiâ€™s comments, EPA regional commissioner Jane Kenny said her agency told the Giuliani Administration every day at daily briefings the air at ground zero was bad.

â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€“

He was down there almost every day and he simply â€œpassed alongâ€ Whitmanâ€™s conclusions. 

Great. 

Great leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I posted this on a previous thread, back on 4/25.)</p>
<p>Gulliani did what any other mayor of a U.S. city would have done under the same circumstances. He gathered and conveyed information. </p>
<p>All of the institutions necessary to get NYC back on its feet after the attacks were more than happy to assist him with key decisions in any way possible. As they would have done for any mayor in his situation. </p>
<p>What would have been impressive is if he had actually said â€œWTF???!!!!â€ when Whitman said the air at Ground Zero was â€œfine.â€</p>
<p>â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”</p>
<p>However, Giuliani maintained Sunday that he was honest and open about air quality issues. </p>
<p>â€œI put out all the reports that existed,â€ Giuliani said. â€œOf course the reports that I put out were the same thing that Christie Whitman was saying publicly.â€</p>
<p>One report the city apparently didnâ€™t put out was an explosive memo from the EPA to the city Health Department dated Oct. 5, 2001. It didnâ€™t mince words, stating of ground zero: â€œthis siteâ€¦poses threats to workers related to potential exposure to hazardous substances.â€</p>
<p>Three weeks after the EPA memo, Giulianiâ€™s environmental commissioner, Joel Miele, was still saying the air was safe. </p>
<p>â€œFor the residents and people who are working in the open area that has been created downtown there is no realistic danger to the health,â€ Miele said.</p>
<p>Responding to Giulianiâ€™s comments, EPA regional commissioner Jane Kenny said her agency told the Giuliani Administration every day at daily briefings the air at ground zero was bad.</p>
<p>â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€“</p>
<p>He was down there almost every day and he simply â€œpassed alongâ€ Whitmanâ€™s conclusions. </p>
<p>Great. </p>
<p>Great leadership.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3828510', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unarmed_soldier</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3828482</link>
		<dc:creator>unarmed_soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 00:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giuliani was warned on 9/11 that the towers were gonna collapse, as he admitted to Peter Jennings on ABC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNmf76GUCw
Yesterday he denied saying that very statement to as reported by WNBC, plus he&#039;s claiming there was an implosion:
http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=112179</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giuliani was warned on 9/11 that the towers were gonna collapse, as he admitted to Peter Jennings on ABC: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNmf76GUCw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hNmf76GUCw</a><br />
Yesterday he denied saying that very statement to as reported by WNBC, plus he&#8217;s claiming there was an implosion:<br />
<a href="http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=112179" rel="nofollow">http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=112179</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3828482', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: cphil</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3828182</link>
		<dc:creator>cphil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 22:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respect for the firemen, not for Bush, Giuliani or any other war profiter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respect for the firemen, not for Bush, Giuliani or any other war profiter.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3828182', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bluedog49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluedog49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Rudy IS the candidate. Conservative religious leaders will either have to split off and start their own party or be outed as politically expedient hucksters taking advantage of their flocks. If you&#039;re going to sit there and tell us you can&#039;t vote for a Dem because of abortion, then you&#039;re going to have to explain your support for Rudy. If conservative Catholic cardinals and bishops don&#039;t come out against Rudy, they&#039;ll be exposed as hacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Rudy IS the candidate. Conservative religious leaders will either have to split off and start their own party or be outed as politically expedient hucksters taking advantage of their flocks. If you&#8217;re going to sit there and tell us you can&#8217;t vote for a Dem because of abortion, then you&#8217;re going to have to explain your support for Rudy. If conservative Catholic cardinals and bishops don&#8217;t come out against Rudy, they&#8217;ll be exposed as hacks.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3828133', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 22:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in the u.k. and the first thing giuliani said on tv over here was &quot;We are with Israel&quot;.
This was before the identity of the hijackers was known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in the u.k. and the first thing giuliani said on tv over here was &#8220;We are with Israel&#8221;.<br />
This was before the identity of the hijackers was known.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3828128', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3828113</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope he is not the GOP Canidate.   God help us if another uninformed person is elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope he is not the GOP Canidate.   God help us if another uninformed person is elected.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3828113', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3827968</link>
		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the firefighters have had complaints about Giuliani since long before he announced his plans to run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the firefighters have had complaints about Giuliani since long before he announced his plans to run.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3827968', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bluedog49</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3827944</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluedog49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crump, we&#039;ve got a sick little troll named &quot;Timmy&quot; who calls what the firefighters are doing &quot;swiftboating.&quot; Is that enough of an insult for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crump, we&#8217;ve got a sick little troll named &#8220;Timmy&#8221; who calls what the firefighters are doing &#8220;swiftboating.&#8221; Is that enough of an insult for you?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3827944', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bluedog49</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3827938</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluedog49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, I have to point out again that Catholic Cardinals and Bishops told American catholics in 2004 that they would be denied communion if they voted for John Kerry because of Kerry&#039;s pro-choice position. It is now up to catholics to make sure your sectarian leaders act in a consistent fashion. Those who made the proclamation regarding Kerry, need to make the same one regarding Guiliani. After all, your catholic leaders are honest, well-meaning men, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, I have to point out again that Catholic Cardinals and Bishops told American catholics in 2004 that they would be denied communion if they voted for John Kerry because of Kerry&#8217;s pro-choice position. It is now up to catholics to make sure your sectarian leaders act in a consistent fashion. Those who made the proclamation regarding Kerry, need to make the same one regarding Guiliani. After all, your catholic leaders are honest, well-meaning men, right?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3827938', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bluedog49</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3827931</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluedog49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I think we&#039;ve got the picture here:

Liberals on TP: support the Firefighters.

Conservative Trolls on TP: don&#039;t support the Firefighters unless they agree with Guliani.

Is anyone surprised? I have a friend who is a retired firechief and he says decisions made by the Guiliani administration cost the lives of at least 200 firemen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I think we&#8217;ve got the picture here:</p>
<p>Liberals on TP: support the Firefighters.</p>
<p>Conservative Trolls on TP: don&#8217;t support the Firefighters unless they agree with Guliani.</p>
<p>Is anyone surprised? I have a friend who is a retired firechief and he says decisions made by the Guiliani administration cost the lives of at least 200 firemen.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3827931', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Crump's Brother</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3827763</link>
		<dc:creator>Crump's Brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing how the trolls wont jump in here and attack the Firefighters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing how the trolls wont jump in here and attack the Firefighters.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3827763', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Pantagruella</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3827720</link>
		<dc:creator>Pantagruella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Rudy Giuliani had advance warning of the September 11th attacks, then surely he is partly responsible for the deaths of those firefighters.

What ahppened to his bunker?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Rudy Giuliani had advance warning of the September 11th attacks, then surely he is partly responsible for the deaths of those firefighters.</p>
<p>What ahppened to his bunker?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3827720', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3827711</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure there are, Timmy.  The International Association of Firefighters, for example, would LOVE to discredit this particular Republican.

That tends to happen when you cost their members their lives, and take credit for their heroism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure there are, Timmy.  The International Association of Firefighters, for example, would LOVE to discredit this particular Republican.</p>
<p>That tends to happen when you cost their members their lives, and take credit for their heroism.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3827711', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JammieWearingFool</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3827706</link>
		<dc:creator>JammieWearingFool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you actually think, it would be progress.

http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2007/05/giuliani-ambushed-by-truther.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you actually think, it would be progress.</p>
<p><a href="http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2007/05/giuliani-ambushed-by-truther.html" rel="nofollow">http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2007/05/giuliani-ambushed-by-truther.html</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3827706', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: timmy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/29/firefighters-target-giulianis-911-record/comment-page-2/#comment-3827692</link>
		<dc:creator>timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™m going to go out on a limb here. If the International Association of Firefighters, or one of their locals, runs ads against Guiliani, Iâ€™m going to guess that the â€œbig moneyâ€ behind them would come from, er, uh, you know, the International Association of Firefighters, or one of their locals.

Quick, TP, get your very best people on this!

Comment by joe


You are right, there are no groups with money on the left that would want to discredit a republican nominee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™m going to go out on a limb here. If the International Association of Firefighters, or one of their locals, runs ads against Guiliani, Iâ€™m going to guess that the â€œbig moneyâ€ behind them would come from, er, uh, you know, the International Association of Firefighters, or one of their locals.</p>
<p>Quick, TP, get your very best people on this!</p>
<p>Comment by joe</p>
<p>You are right, there are no groups with money on the left that would want to discredit a republican nominee.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3827692', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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