Kristol and Kagan: ‘Put Everything’ Behind Escalation So We Can Bomb Iran and Syria
Kristol and Kagan: ‘Put Everything’ Behind Escalation So We Can Bomb Iran and Syria
Weekly Standard editor William Kristol and fellow neoconservative Frederick Kagan have consistently been wrong in their predictions about Iraq. Last year, Kristol claimed an escalation would “improve our chances of winning.” Kagan proclaimed at the end of April, “We are turning a corner in Iraq.” But May was the deadliest month this year for U.S. soldiers.
This week, Kristol and Kagan renewed their calls for a defense of the status quo in Iraq. Writing an op-ed in the Weekly Standard, Kristol and Kagan call for unbridled support of the failing escalation:
This is no time to hedge or hesitate. Now is the time to put everything behind making the president’s strategy–which looks to be a winning strategy–succeed.
Recycling the talking point that debate over the war “undermines the efforts of our commanders in the field,” they respond to reports suggesting increased conservative dissatisfaction by calling on Bush to authoritatively squash all dissenting opinion on Iraq:
Congressional battles calling into doubt our commitment to winning in Iraq have been the major threat to progress since the president began pursuing the right strategy in January. The president, supported by congressional Republicans, has beaten back that threat. Now he needs to deal with his own administration, which has not made up its collective mind to support the president’s strategy wholeheartedly. Mixed messages from Bush’s advisers and cabinet undermine the efforts of our commanders in the field.
Calling the State Department’s recent talks with Iran and Syria “fantasy diplomatic solutions,” Kristol and Kagan instead advocate that “[d]iplomatic engagement by itself is a trap,” suggesting, as they both have before, that America should only deal militarily with Iraq’s neighbors. Such a policy would likely accelerate nuclear development in Iran and has been swiftly rejected by top U.S. military commanders.
Kristol and Kagan aim for a single objective: more war. As Glenn Greenwald noted, “What they [Kristol and Kagan] seek — by their own acknowledgment — is a conflict with Iran and Syria, and they want to stay in Iraq because that is how that goal can be achieved.”
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Well damn, this is it. Time to squash all opposition.
The Night of the Long Knives is on us!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:20 pmwar, war, war, war…
and more war. These sick bastards are happy to set aside everything this country is supposed to stand for to quenc their thirst for power, profits, war and killing.
It’s time for a new direction, though - one where people like this, and their politician friends don’t have the power to wage war with our money and lives…
Some thoughts:
“Leaders don’t kill people…”
May 29th, 2007 at 5:22 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/leaders_dont_kill_people
What the hell is wrong with Bill Kristol?
Dude, you’ve been consistently wrong about EVERYTHING!!! YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY!!!
Thanks for the thought that unending war is what you want. As if we didn’t know.
You war mongering lunatic.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:22 pmTough Talk From Chicken Hawks.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:23 pmDon’t you just love it when the mentally want to be taken seriously?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:23 pmas long as they can feed upon the war fever, they think they can stay in power… and that’s more important to them than the young men and women dying daily in Iraq
This isn’t about a war on terror, this isn’t about bringing democracy to Iraq, this isn’t even really about oil. This is about a group of men who are so obsessed with being ‘right’ and winning the approval of the people they, supposedly serve, that they will do anything (even subvert the constitution) to try and bring about their phyrric victory
May 29th, 2007 at 5:23 pmYes, let’s kill everyone! Iraqis, Iranians, Afganies, Syrians, who cares, kill ‘em all. We’ll show the world who’s smart and right and good!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pmWingers are pathologically incapable of self-criticism.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pm“Calling the State Department’s recent talks with Iran and Syria “fantasy diplomatic solutions,†Kristol and Kagan instead advocate that “[d]iplomatic engagement by itself is a trap,†suggesting, as they both have before, that America should only deal militarily with Iraq’s neighbors”
Why is it that these neo-con whackos are so against talking and so for war? What’s the harm in seeing if a dialogue can get us somehwere. It’s as though they are not satisifed without continual blood on the ground. WTF?!?!?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pmTwo of the many faces of the Devil on Earth- these F’n jacka$$es.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThis is the same crap that the Neocons were spewing at the recent PNAC circle jerk. Bolton was there, ranting about attacking Iran and Syria.
These guys just don’t give up. And they never, ever let the facts get in the way of their maniacal scheme.
I hope saner minds prevail.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pm“Congressional battles calling into doubt our commitment to winning in Iraq have been the major threat to progress since the president began pursuing the right strategy in January.”
Seems to me that the determination of insurgents to kill themselves and others in order to achieve sectarian ends has actually been the major threat to progress in Iraq.
But then, what do I know? I’m not a hot-shot pundit.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:26 pmWhat’s great is that Fox News puts the incessantly wrong Kristol on its airwaves every Sunday. How great is that. “Hey he’s wrong about everything, but we agree with him, so keep putting him on.”
Not that Fox cares about credibility, but only Cheney has been more woefully wrong about this little adventure.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:27 pm“….Kristol and Kagan aim for a single objective: more war…..”
Satyam - What is the “proving point” in the HR department here at TP? That half a story is better than none? War for the sake of war is immoral. War to kill and defeat ones’ mortal enemies (who have DECLARED war on us) is noble and JUST.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:27 pmAgain, what is the difference between them and jihadists chanting: “Dead to America”?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:28 pmSomebody needs to kidnap Billy Krystol and drop him in the middle of Baghdad…with no weapon and no body armor.
Lets see how long the chickenhawk can take it.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:28 pmIt’s so very easy to be so very brave from afar.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:29 pmI see another troll has raised its butt-ugly head in here.
We are not fighting terrorists in Iraq. Al-Quaeda is only doing 8% of the attacks.
We are fighting Iraqis because we are foreign occupiers.
They’re not our mortal enemies. They just want us to leave Iraq. Now.
Stupid troll. You believe any crap the Reich tells you.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:30 pmvaliant venus,
did Iran and Syria declare “war” on us? I missed that press release.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:31 pmthese individuals speak for Israel and david rockefeller.
do you get it now?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmWTF is Kristol smoking?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmSatyam - What is the “proving point†in the HR department here at TP? Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
What is the “proving point” for you - Valiant Ben Venus? Do they have to convert to your political party, church and synagogue at the same time to be trusted?
That half a story is better than none? Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
That sounds like one of YOUR POSTS - st*pid c*nt!!!
War for the sake of war is immoral. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Which is why YOU and the rest of the NeoNaziCons always find a way to *justify* your actions… So you can avoid all of that *inconvenient* and *overrated* - guilt - right?
War to kill and defeat ones’ mortal enemies (who have DECLARED war on us) is noble and JUST. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Mortal enemies? Is that the “Jew” part of you talking Valiant Ben Venus? Because Saddam was NOT the mortal enemy of the US - in fact he was our *friend* for oh so many years. Well the *friend* of you wingnuts anyway…
You’re such a st*pid little c*nt. Stick to telling fake dead baby jokes, and eat something - Anorexia Guhrl… Your posts are as *thin* as your ugly little schnauzer face!!!!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmI am really ashamed of being part of the “West”.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmJesus christ…
May 29th, 2007 at 5:33 pmWhen will this discredited movement finally be condemned for what it is, Neofascism?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pmWhat a freakin’ visionary.
Does anyone care what Kristol says? Wasn’t he already a joke? Well, he certainly is now. Oh yeah, Bill. Victory is just around the bend.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pmClearly surrender is the only answer. Only now the Democrats have surrendered to the idea of surrender and retreated from the idea of retreat. What is a moonbat to do?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pmI am really ashamed of being part of the “Westâ€.
Comment by Juan C
Me too, Juan. This attitude in no represents us, but this is how we’re seen by the rest of the world.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pmHEY TP: Scouring your webpage for info on Sheehan the quitter announcing she is quitting her anti-war tactics. Nothing to be found. I would have thought something would have been said - one of the biggest news items of the day. Libs usually don’t have a stomach for protracted wars but I didn’t think they quit there own causes when there are setbacks.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pmWhat the hell is wrong with Bill Kristol?
Comment by Crump’s Brother
He is the chairman of PNAC. That says it all.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pmI haven’t seen anything that funny from Bill Crystal since his SNL days back in the 80″s.
Welcome back Billy..
May 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmAre you 13 years old? that is the most infantile thing I have ever read- infact it reads like a sci-fi/action adventure comic book.
go enlist, a$$hole from Venus
May 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThen do us a favor Juan “Iran is not a threat” C and leave the West. Iran is very friendly according to your past posts. Real estate their is probably reasonable.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmCan’t find anything on Chavez closing down free speech in Venezuela and the Islamists being kicked out of Anbar Province..in Iraq. Overlooked I’m sure, we will see the stories shortly.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:38 pmSorry, it’s obvious that I’m mentally disabled..
May 29th, 2007 at 5:38 pmSo? War is good for the Economy.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:39 pmas long as these types continue to put forth their beliefs on the teevee, the sanity commission will have overwhelming evidence of their being capable of irrational actions, and certainly their being a harm to themselves and others.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pmkeep it up. thanks
#29 I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if bedwetter Eric criticized Sheehan when she first began to protest the war. Speaking of having “a stomach for protracted wars,” Eric, no doubt you fancy yourself to have just such a stomach. But I don’t see you serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. So tell me: does being a pussy trump your patriotric pro-war fervor?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pmTP: Cindy Sheehan wanted me to relay the message that trying to bring about change is not worth the fight. Give up. It’s too hard. Your new Freshman class of Senators who rode in on the anti-war mandate just gave you the finger. Your only response is Et tu Brutus? You represent 1% of the opinion of America. Throw in the towel - it’s useless.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:41 pm#38 Same question to you, Patrick-bedwetter.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pm#9 Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Why is it that these neo-con whackos are so against talking and so for war? What’s the harm in seeing if a dialogue can get us somehwere. It’s as though they are not satisifed without continual blood on the ground. WTF?!?!?
I apologize for reposting this from yesterday. It does answer your question though. You folks that ask this, like Kasinca, have to look at this through their eyes and see what they are doing and how they see their successes. We can’t keep looking at this travesty through our own eyes. That just keeps us confused.
#75 Comment by kasinca — May 27, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
You asked:
Name one thing the PNAC and the neo-conservatives, who are members, have been right about (excluding the fact that Saddam was a bad man).
OK, I’ll bite. So far, it appears that their neo-con “Plan A†is achieving everything they intended it would! Look at what they have accomplished since Bush took office.
*Invaded Iraq
*Built the biggest Embassy in the world
*Built 4 major air bases for permanent occupation
*Wrote the laws that Iraq is governed by today
*Provided their moneyed backers (Haliburton etc.) with huge benefits
*Have, waiting in the wings the oil companies who will have first dibs on Iraqi oil with no need to account to or share that with the Iraqi people.
*Created a base of operations in the Middle East from which to continue their overthrow of Iran and any other country that does not capitulate to our terms. Goal: complete control of the whole ME.
And over the last 30 years: Nationally:
*Created a political base that prior to 1978 did not exist. The evangelical christian right!
*Created, with billions of dollars, a bunch of think tanks that swamp anything the Progressives have. They churn out speakers and white papers in huge quantities effectively overwhelming the political discussion
*Successfully created a rubber stamp congress (with the help of the DLC and conservative Democrats)
*Created the Patriot Act (the neo-con version of the Rule of Law-Our Constitution be damned!)
*Successfully moved the SCOTUS closer to the neocon orbit and is instituting a major change in the Federal Court system with religious evangelical attorneys
*Brought about the consolidation and control of the Mainstream Media into about 5 major corporations
*Brought the DOJ to its knees and put it under the presidents control
*Installed an anti UN American ambassador, Bolton
*Installed a neo-con, Iraq invasion and occupation architect, as head of the World Bank, Wolfowitz
*Adopted a policy of pre-emptive strike
*Avoided FISA, essentially won the spying on us issue
*Pulled off all the lies about the reasons to invade Iraq
Need I go on with the unending list of things that they have been “right†about? That have actually happened that prove it?
And, now, finally, after 30 years of incompetence and grovelling (the DLC folks and the willfully ignorant Democrats) the voice of the people is beginning being heard. Thanks to the internet as an alternative to the utterly corrupt MSM, we have a chance to right the sinking ship of state before it sinks into a fascist dictatorship.
Look, kasinca, we think they are wrong, they don’t! And they have a lot of successes to show for it. They have spent 30 years developing this “Plan A†which is all inclusive of all the things we rail against today (finally), partially listed above. There is no Plan B! Their goal, Plan A, is empire and control, plain and simple. It is more than just oil and the money the oil giants will make.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pm“Yes, let’s kill everyone! Iraqis, Iranians, Afganies, Syrians, who cares, kill ‘em all. We’ll show the world who’s smart and right and good!
Comment by GodfryDaniel — May 29, 2007 @ 5:24 pm”
I’d be laughing at your remark if it weren’t so f*cking true…
It would be interesting to see the statistics on the physical and mental health of these people versus normal human beings who don’t get off on the slaughter of others.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI haven’t seen anything that funny from Bill Crystal since his SNL days back in the 80″s.
Welcome back Billy..
Comment by BlueJersey
Wrong Kristol =)
May 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pmAnd Bill Crystal is sadly, still not funny. He was funny on SNL because someone else was writing the jokes.
You support Islamofascism VerbalKint yet I don’t see you fighting with Al Qaeda in Iraq or Afghanistan. So tell me: does being a pussy trump your treason anti-Ameircan fervor?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:43 pmThere should be a post on Sheehan quitting. So we can see what the wingnuts think.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:43 pmKristol is a blood-sucking vampire. He lives only for power and the ability to go on Fox and spill his evil seed. Fortunately, most of the population seems to have been innoculated against his contagion.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:44 pmClearly surrender is the only answer. Only now the Democrats have surrendered to the idea of surrender and retreated from the idea of retreat. What is a moonbat to do? Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Then you should surrender to the “will” of the American people. Oh wait, you wingnut NeoNaziCons don’t care much for “democracy”. You prefer those “strong” leaders that the rest of the world call “dictators”.
St*pid *ssh*le.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:44 pmPatrick the Troll is INSULTING OUR TROOPS.
We will not be surrendering when we leave Iraq. We will not have lost on the field of battle. General Betrayus will not be giving up his pistol to Osama.
Leaving Iraq is not surrendering. We will still be fighting terrorism elsewhere.
Why does Patrick hate our troops?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:44 pm“When will this discredited movement finally be condemned for what it is, Neofascism?
Comment by VerbalKint — May 29, 2007 @ 5:34 pm”
I’m thinking after the Canadians liberate us from the gulags.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pmSo? War is good for the Economy.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
It is? Then the economy would really s*ck even more without it? Because at this point “Old-Europe” is kicking our *ss - *ssh*le!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pmNice try VerbalKunt. Your posts continue to show your true mentality by your assumptions and your incoherent comprehension of history and facts. Just a foul-mouth lib who can’t argue so he name calls. Scoreboard.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pmWill somebody PLEASE frag these shit-for-brains? I am sick of this f*cking shit from these cowardly, draft-dodging scumbags.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:46 pmYou mean like Chavez and Castro and Saddam?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmCan’t find anything on Chavez closing down free speech in Venezuela and the Islamists being kicked out of Anbar Province..in Iraq. Overlooked I’m sure, we will see the stories shortly. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Oh you mean where Chavez shut down the ParaMilitary related wingnut media that orchestrated a Coup against his government, and called for what could only be described by our government as “acts of terrorism” against his government?
Can you imagine what Bush would have done to someone that orchestrated a Coup against him? BAHAHA, wow, you wingnuts sure have trouble with “perspective” don’t you?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI’m with Bill Kristol (not the funny one) as long as he’s willing to go over there on the front lines with each and every living relative he’s got. Otherwise, I don’t think so.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmJust a foul-mouth lib who can’t argue so he name calls. Scoreboard.
Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Ah, hypocrisy. More of those fine “values” republicans posting as usual!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmKristol and Kagan are a couple of crack whores screaming for snuff porn. Who cares?
When’s the last time their pathetic little rag was right about something?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pm.
OT - But GITMO is unconstitutional without Congressional approval and Congress can close it anytime they want.
http://www.populistamerica.com/ can_the_u_s_congress_close_guantanamo_bay
May 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pmYou represent 1% of the opinion of America. Throw in the towel - it’s useless.
Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Ooooooo!!!! Tough talk from Eric. I’m shaking in my boots. I think I better throw in the towel…
May 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pm…except that it isn’t 1%, it is 70%, Eric, 70%.
#48 Where? New York City like we had to after Clinton? No thanks.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pmHey Eric…
what are you but another foul mouthed neo con who can’t argue so he name calls?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pm“war is good for the economy” Actually, it isnt. It is government spending and increases the federal debt and causes inflation.
Repuke trolls are idiots, and this is just further proof.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:49 pm“There should be a post on Sheehan quitting. So we can see what the wingnuts think.
Comment by ForTruth — May 29, 2007 @ 5:43 pm”
Because it’s such a gaping mystery…. ?
:D
May 29th, 2007 at 5:49 pm#44 But I don’t support “islamofascism”, Patrick-stupider-than-ever-before. To begin with, no such movement actually exists. The term is a Neocon propaganda invention. As far as Islamic radicals go, I don’t support them either. You lie when you say I do. And you know what, Patrick? Pussies lie.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:50 pmLiberals don’t throw in the towel they run up a white flag. No charge for the correction.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:51 pmEric is another Repuke closet case. He has a hardon for Chimpy.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:51 pmTP: Cindy Sheehan wanted me to relay the message that trying to bring about change is not worth the fight. Give up. It’s too hard. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Maybe you should tell your homophobic, racist, misogynistic anti-immigration fellow rednecks that! America is not YOUR country f*cker - you just live here like the rest of the MAJORITY that disagrees with you!
Your new Freshman class of Senators who rode in on the anti-war mandate just gave you the finger. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Actually it was Bush that gave the troops the finger. The Senators weren’t willing to do that though. Wouldn’t expect you to understand such a thing.
Your only response is Et tu Brutus? Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Actually that’s what the slaughtered troops are saying right now. The difference is that OUR Senators don’t want them slaughtered to just to protect the “ego” of the loser wingnut senators. Et tu - *ssh*le?
You represent 1% of the opinion of America. Throw in the towel - it’s useless. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
BAHAHAHAHAA, you’re a f*cking fool! The MAJORITY of Americans represent our opinion, you lying idiot. Just because you can’t read a *poll*, or understand *math* - don’t blame us! Blame your r*t*rded genome! Loser!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:51 pmBill Kristol would be Chavez, Castro, or Saddam if he could.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:52 pmPatrick, if you support the Iraq occupation so much, why are you still here?
You should put up or shut up. Enlist, you chickenhawk.
Same for the rest of you trolls. You chickenhawks have nothing to say.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:52 pm“Can you imagine what Bush would have done to someone that orchestrated a Coup against him?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:47 pm”
Let’s find out… :D
May 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pm#48 Where? New York City like we had to after Clinton? No thanks.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
What’s wrong loser - you think suddenly they’ll be able to come here, when they can’t now? BAHAHAHAA, you’re a really dum bass, aren’t you son? How do you tie your own shoes in the morning - skid mark!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pm#19 - valiant venus, did Iran and Syria declare “war†on us? I missed that press release.” Comment by Crump’s Brother
Where have YOU been? We have been the “Great Satan” to Iran and it’s proxy Syria, for 27 years. The true mission in life of the Koranimal is the re-establishment of the Caliphate, the extermination of the Jews, the U.S. in particular and Western culture in general.
Al Qeada declared war (and being “stateless”) they are like parasites infesting a host organism. In the media, those parasites are known as “terror cells”.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pmThen how would you fight Islamo Fascism oh great moonbat warrior?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pmNice try VerbalKunt. Your posts continue to show your true mentality by your assumptions and your incoherent comprehension of history and facts. Just a foul-mouth lib who can’t argue so he name calls. Scoreboard.
Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Eric, I think you should be aware that the overwhelming majority of people at this site generally agree with my description of you. Calling someone a pussy is not name calling when it is true.
Please cite any comment in which I have displayed an “incoherent comprehension of history and facts”.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:54 pmThere should be a post on Sheehan quitting. So we can see what the wingnuts think.
Comment by ForTruth
It’s on the ThinkFast thread.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:54 pmJeez, now the troll is being a bigot.
There are 1.2 Billion Moslems in the world. 8 million Moslem US citizens.
And troll thinks they’re all bad. Troll is an idiot.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:54 pmLiberals don’t throw in the towel they run up a white flag. No charge for the correction. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Pure projection - from yet another *chickenhawk*. When p*ssi*s like you stay here - real *men* put their money where their mouth is. Unfortunately, f*cking cowards like you don’t value their lives, their sacrifices or their commitment. Instead you *waste* them by derailing them into a fight over *oil* and *Israel*. Loser!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:54 pmKeep telling yourself it’s 70%…….lol……………….even when your “enemies” tell you the follies of your ways and try to help you out you continue to march down the blind road. Majority of Americans want a successful war and a quick return of the troops. The majority of the Senate and House know that you don’t cut and run. Conspiracists and propagandists on TP continue to believe their own propaganda polls………….kind of bites you in the ass when that happens.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:56 pmvaliant venus,
Don’t change the topic. The post is about getting into a war with Iran and Syria. Did they declare war on us or not?
You said “War to kill and defeat ones’ mortal enemies (who have DECLARED war on us) is noble and JUST.”
first of all ‘mortal enemies’? What is this to you a comic book? Again I ask, when did Iran and Syria declare war on us?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:56 pm#51 Eric: “Scoreboard.”
Thanks for 2006, pal. And thanks in advance for the historic landslide victory the Democrats will enjoy in 2008.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pm“I am really ashamed of being part of the “Westâ€. Comment by Juan C
You remind me of those who say, “I’m ashamed to be an American.” Like I tell them, “I’m ashamed you’re an American, too.”
May 29th, 2007 at 5:58 pmIf it was 70% the Democrats would have voted to surrender.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:58 pmI would love to fight the terrorists myself, but I’m too busy playing World of Warcraft.
“Mom, leave me alone ok!!! I moved into the basement to get away from you. Yes I ordered the pizza!! Can you bring me my Dungeon Masters guide and another two liter of Mt. Dew?!?!?!”
May 29th, 2007 at 5:59 pmThen do us a favor Juan “Iran is not a threat†C and leave the West. Iran is very friendly according to your past posts.
Comment by Eric
How do you know Im not there already, planning something with my friends? ;)
May 29th, 2007 at 5:59 pmWhere have YOU been? We have been the “Great Satan†to Iran and it’s proxy Syria, for 27 years. The true mission in life of the Koranimal is the re-establishment of the Caliphate, the extermination of the Jews, the U.S. in particular and Western culture in general. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Whatever Valiant Ben Venus. You NeoNaziCons have by your OWN admission had the goals of exterminating or destroying all of the Muslim countries to *protect* yourself. How again are you different - Toranimal?
You do know that more Christians in this country want a “Christian Government”, than Muslims that want a Caliphate - right? And tell me, what is the “Official” religion of Israel? Is it a “secular” state, or does Jewish law run supreme there? Tell me, do the Orthodox boys and girls have to serve in the military like all of the rest of the “citizens”?
Al Qeada declared war (and being “statelessâ€) they are like parasites infesting a host organism. In the media, those parasites are known as “terror cellsâ€. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Actually, most in the Islamic war believe we declared war in Islam when we first occupied Palestine which had been Christian/Muslim for 2000/1200 years - then when we occupied the land of Mecca.
But don’t let those little “events” change your mind. See they see the Israeli state as the “parasite” organism, and they see you NeoNaziCons and your “terror cells” like Kristol within the power structure of the west as a threat to their civilization. Considering that your stated goals sound very much like Osama - you’re just two mad (men) cut from the same Cloth - Osama Ben Venus!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:59 pmKristol and Kagan have been right all along. They’re my idols.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:00 pmSecure ports and borders and pull occupying troops out of the Middle East while special ops carry out pinpoint operations on terrorist targets.
Bombing and occupying countries only creates more terrorists and “islamofascists.”
May 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pmIt’s kind of sad to see how you liberals don’t realize what kind of a disaster you’re inviting when you refuse to accept that a strong action against terror sponsoring islamic regimes like that in Iran is required right now. It’s kind of pathetic that you won’t accept it simply because GOP and the current President are advocating such action.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pm#69 You support IslamoFascism, why are you still here?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pm“We have been the “Great Satan†to Iran and it’s proxy Syria, for 27 years. The true mission in life of the Koranimal is the re-establishment of the Caliphate, the extermination of the Jews, the U.S. in particular and Western culture in general.
Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:53 pm”
Oh please, again with the melodrama from the delusional Bushite who thinks she is on a mission from some invisible man. I read as much of your MySpace page as I could stomach, Megan. You truly are delirious…
May 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pmMighty moron; yes, Iran considers us ‘the Great Satan’, and here is why; in 1953 the CIA toppled the democratically elected leader of Iran in a coup, foisting the despotic Shah(a brutal dictator), because the deposed government had the audicity to want to control their own natural resources(oil), Can’t have that now, can we? the 1979 Islamic Revolution is the blowback from our interference in their internal affairs, and it is well deserved.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:02 pmCrump - Change the subject? Ha! Broaden your scope OF THE SUBJECT. Having backed the pro-Western Shah of Iran for decades, the Ayatollahs took control of the reins. What part of the Carter administration were you asleep? Apparently…… the “foreign affairs” portion.
Go study the illustrious Presidency of Ahdimenejad and report back …..Like a true idiotis, you expect the rules of engagement to apply today. Were facing a different enemy, little tool…..
May 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pmKeep telling yourself it’s 70%…….lol………………. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Yeah, who needs opinion polls, when GOD tells you what it is - right Eric? BAHAHA lunatic!
even when your “enemies†tell you the follies of your ways and try to help you out you continue to march down the blind road. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Read that, and take it’s advice - child.
Majority of Americans want a successful war and a quick return of the troops. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
The majority of americans want a time line, and a return home - period!
The majority of the Senate and House know that you don’t cut and run.Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
You mean like Bush was willing to do to the troops, just because he couldn’t “have his way”? Aren’t you glad that they don’t share your immoral and psychotic stubborn st*pidity? Of course you don’t that would require you have a brain - dum bass!
Conspiracists and propagandists on TP continue to believe their own propaganda polls………….kind of bites you in the ass when that happens. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
BAHAHA and you wingnuts continue to believe your own *cultist* delusion, even when reality shows you that you’re wrong. Just as in 2006, when it kind of bit you in the *ss - because you couldn’t face reality! In the end, the harder you f*ckers try to f*ck this country - the harder reality will f*ck you! Enjoy your ride *down* - *ssh*le - I know I’m enjoying watching you and your party slide into oblivion!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pmVerbalkunt: That’s like Neville Chamberlain or Hanoi Jane asking me the same question. Where would one start?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pm#69 You support IslamoFascism, why are you still here?
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
You must be referring to the NeoCons - that love IslamoFascism as long as it was fighting the Soviets! St*pid little hypocrite, you make me laugh!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:04 pmI love the troops!! Especially when the sailors come into to town. I try to ‘adopt’ at least three or four of them a night.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:04 pmBut the countries that support them go merrily on? That is the liquor store method of Clinton that led to 9/11.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:04 pmVerbalkunt: That’s like Neville Chamberlain or Hanoi Jane asking me the same question. Where would one start? Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Only if they were referring to the dangers of Djibouti invading the US! St*pid Con - you really don’t have a grasp on any reality do you?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:05 pmLiberals don’t throw in the towel they run up a white flag. No charge for the correction.
Comment by Patrick1
That’s not a white flag P-1, that’s your diaper we’re trying to line dry.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:05 pmvaliant venus,
When did Iran or Syria declare ware on us?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:05 pm#35 - Patrick1,
May 29th, 2007 at 6:06 pmTwo words - “Constitutional mustard”.
“There are 1.2 Billion Moslems in the world. 8 million Moslem US citizens.
And troll thinks they’re all bad. Troll is an idiot.
Comment by Tom3 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:54 pm”
You wanna see some real troll frenzy? Watch this :D
Jesus was a douche bag.
Here’s the proof:
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20
Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.†Revelations 19:20-21
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.†Matthew 15:4-7
Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9
Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse. Mark 5:12-13
Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was retarded enough to do something this silly. You’d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don’t bear fruit in dry season. Mark 11:13
Luke 12:47 Jesus okays beating slaves.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI’ve been linking these stories to Little Green Footballs all day in case anyone is wondering where all my friends came from. You can thank me later.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:06 pmCrump - Change the subject? Ha! Broaden your scope OF THE SUBJECT. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
You mean artificially conflate unrelated things? BAHAHA, that’s all you can ever do - st*pid c*nt. Ramble off topic! Maybe it’s the eating disorder? Stay focused c*nt!
Having backed the pro-Western Shah of Iran for decades, the Ayatollahs took control of the reins. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
You mean after wingnut policies overthrew a democracy (as you are now calling for in Venezuela) and put in a dictator, the people finally had it with the US and our f*cking with them? Wow, how could THAT happen?
What part of the Carter administration were you asleep? Apparently…… the “foreign affairs†portion. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
What part of Fed Up with US support of Dictators were you asleep about Osama Ben Venus?
Go study the illustrious Presidency of Ahdimenejad and report back …..Like a true idiotis, you expect the rules of engagement to apply today. Were facing a different enemy, little tool….. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
He sounds just like Bush - and I bet HE believes GOD talks to him to. Tell me, what did GOD tell you this week - you lunatic hell b*tch?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:08 pmIran in 1979.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:08 pm“Were facing a different enemy, little tool…..
Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm”
Yes, people like you. You’re the reason America is imploding.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmHow do you know Im not there already, planning something with my friends? ;)
Comment by Juan C
Heh.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmDear BB - Liberals are only judgemental when it comes to despising conservatives. They will become contortionists and human pretzels to see everything anti-American through the lens of our enemies. They are collaborators extraordinaire..….
Toooodles…….
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmTHe Patrick1 name-jacking is too much.
I say everyone adopt the name Patrick1 and run with it. It would at least be funny. Seriously funny!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmunbelievable wants to change the subject to his stupidity.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmIf I may quote the great historical essayist and fantasist Mark Rogers:
I didn’t realize until this moment both that Mark Rogers invented the “shorter” concept years before liberal bloggers put it into common use, and that Kristol and Kagan had so wholeheartedly embraced Stalin’s convenient simplification.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:11 pmDear BB - Liberals are only judgemental when it comes to despising conservatives. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Oh dear st*pid c*nt, being judgmental implies that you’re somehow unfairly treating someone. Whereas, we’re being *kind* enough to be honest with you - something you can’t be with yourself or anyone else for that matter.
They will become contortionists and human pretzels to see everything anti-American through the lens of our enemies. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Says the st*pid c*nt that admitted she disagreed with *most* american policies while claiming to be “pro-american”. Ah, the self loathing projection of another Osama Ben Venus!
They are collaborators extraordinaire..….
Toooodles…… Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Says the wingnut who’s SIDE gave Saddam his WMDs, and Osama his *training*. Tell me - what *side* are you on - Osama Ben Venus? So far, all we see is anti-american and anti-democratic rhetoric that hates the “will” of the people, and “American” values!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:14 pmI just soiled myself.
MOM!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pm“I’ve been linking these stories to Little Green Footballs all day in case anyone is wondering where all my friends came from. You can thank me later.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:06 pm”
You are all the same flavor of ignorant. It doesn’t matter if it’s one of you cockroaches in here or twenty - you’re still just nasty little bugs that carry diseases, and scatter when a light (truth) is turned on.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmunbelievable - I am sorry for you. You seem like the most miserable, loney, rejected, disliked “superior” person here! First your family “ignorantly” believes in God - (those pesky rules!) and the “ignorant” backward school district does not appreciate your “insight and genius”….What’s next? Being told that Jesus loves you?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmHEY TP: Scouring your webpage for info on Sheehan the quitter announcing she is quitting her anti-war tactics. Nothing to be found. I would have thought something would have been said - one of the biggest news items of the day. Libs usually don’t have a stomach for protracted wars but I didn’t think they quit there own causes when there are setbacks.
Comment by Eric
Probably help a lot if you actually learned to read, troll. It was posted on TP at 9:07 am EDT. You owe TP and all the “libs” an apology.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmSo the left is back to its roots of Lenin and Stalin now. They are indeed in full retreat.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI’ve been linking these stories to Little Green Footballs all day in case anyone is wondering where all my friends came from. You can thank me later. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
The meeting of the *mindless* - oh poor Patrick1. What’s wrong - too *cowardly* to take us on without a *surge* to back you up? Poor little coward - won’t fight in the real world, and have to call in your “big brother” even on the blogs!
Wouldn’t it be equally fun if your wingnut sites didn’t “censor”? Can’t have all of those liberal “opinions” polluting your propaganda - right child?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:16 pm#78 Whatever you want to tell yourself, bubble boy. Hiding from the truth is just going to make it hurt more when it finally sinks home.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI’d like to change the subject to men in uniform. Can we discuss that please!!??
May 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pmInternets wars!!! Libruls vurse consurvativs!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pmWhat is to be expected from an author(s? ) of PNAC?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI am an official card-carrying member of the KKK, and the Nazi parties. I hate America, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, the troops, and everything they represent, along with women, blacks, spics, and everything else.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pm#112 There is nothing in that thread that is correct. Congratulations your anus.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI suggest that Eric and Patrick-dumber-than-a-rock start preparing themselves emotionally for the day their fearless CIC cuts and runs under pressure from his own party.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pmMortal enemies? Is that the “Jew†part of you talking Valiant Ben Venus? Because Saddam was NOT the mortal enemy of the US - in fact he was our *friend* for oh so many years. Well the *friend* of you wingnuts anyway…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
So, VVGFU — hate Jews much?
Off the medication? Replaced by wingnut pod person? If you’ve got an explanation for this kind of bigoted stupidity, I’d like to read it.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pmMOM, why can’t you clean up my bedpan for me? You know I’m busy trying to make of people that are obviously smarter than me. Your gonna force me to crap on the floor again!!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pm“unbelievable wants to change the subject to his stupidity.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:10 pm”
So you admit that the bible is stupid? Cool. That was easy. You usually convulse and spit phlegm when I post verses, the very word of your god, not recognizing that I had nothig to do with their authorship… I’m just the messenger honey.
By the way, I’m a her. I know they don’t let women in your single branched family tree learn how to read, but we liberals recognize that intellect originates in the brain, not the sex organs.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:19 pmPatrick1 needs hes diaper changed. Will someone please call Bill Kristol, he is certainly qualified since he is always talking shit.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:19 pmSo the left is back to its roots of Lenin and Stalin now. They are indeed in full retreat.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Patrick-you-are-a-determined-liar, this is one of the boldest misrepresentations I have yet seen at this site.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:22 pmSorry Shane, wrong again! My diapers aren’t white, you silly lib. My diapers are yellow and brown from spoling myself everytime I hear the word “Muslim”.
Whoops! Damn! Even typing the word makes me shit myself.
Be right back. Tooooooooooodles!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:23 pmUnbelievable is off his meds again. Can you explain (this should be very funny) anything at all about the quotes you put in the Bible. Granted the moonbats should avoid any discussion of Christianity because of their limited knowledge of it.
It should be placed along side free market economics and liberty as the three subjects that will certainly make a moonbats head explode. Unbelievable the most recent example.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:24 pmPatrick:
It seems obvious that TPers are still smarting from a long month of losses. The vitrolic is extreme and of course it’s easier to name call and ridicule rather than address the fallacies of their beilief system. It’s so funny to watch TPers try to get a rise by ad hominen attacks and instead get their heads handed to them by solid logic and history. Thank God we only have to work on 1% of the nation that holds these kinds of isolationist, conspiracy riddled, extreme view points. Pelosi wouldn’t hang with these nutcases.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:25 pmDouble-down, bitches!!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:25 pmPatrick1,
Countries that support “islamofascists”
Unites States
May 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmEverybody’s crying Peace on Earth
May 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmJust as soon as we win this war.
- Mose Allison, “Everybody’s Crying Mercy”
Eric, that you buddy? Can you give me a hand cleaning up this mess again. You’re the best, I don’t know anyone else that would clean shit off the floor with their tongue.
Thanks buddy! All that for a handjob, you’re the best!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmThe media needs to take a long look at PNAC and the authors… and just who is invested in MIC. Shouldn’t this be newsworthy? Oh, I forgot, some in the news media may have investments there too. And of course, the news we get is the news the neocon corporate owned right winged media wants you to know.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmHow silly of me to expect news I can use.
Until Patrick1, valiant_____, etc., demonstrate any kind of ability to repeat our arguments back to us to show that they understand our arguments, let alone absorb any facts that might contradict their arguments (such as they are) and adjust accordingly, let alone demonstrate any deeper understanding of global/regional politics, let alone demonstrate any assertive coherent theory/zeitgeist backbone, there really isn’t any point in throwing substance into their incinerator.
Such people are capable of insults and repetition of some general assertions. Congratulations to Patrick1, valiant____, and others! Insults and allegiance to… something… are what will convince everyone here to… what, exactly? Froth? Congratulations to Patrick1, valiant______, etc., for constantly demonstrating what is practically a law of large Internet forums: One can always reduce n+1 people to a substance-free shouting match and ignore the others.
That’s a real accomplishment. Way. To. Go.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmThe strongest advocates for war have never fought in one, much less served in the armed forces.
The strongest advocates for a strategic change have never suggested surrender. It is a lie to suggest otherwise.
Disaggreeing with the failed policy of invading and occupying Iraq to decrease terrorism does not make one a ‘terrorist sympsthizer’.
The jump in logic required to apply ’surrender’ or ‘defeat’ or ’sympathy for terrorists’ to the points of disagreement is so absurd that reasonable debate is immediately halted. No further logical or reasonable argument can be used to counter such gross misrepresentation of the debate.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:27 pm“I am sorry for you. You seem like the most miserable, loney, rejected, disliked “superior†person here!”
Ah ha! You don’t project your desperation on to others this much unless we’e hit a nerve.
I’ll take it to mean that is your MySpace page (I was just fishing… And you bit).
“First your family “ignorantly†believes in God - (those pesky rules!) and the “ignorant†backward school district does not appreciate your “insight and geniusâ€
My family? One brother is an Atheist, my mom is agnostic, and the other brother believes in a god of sorts, but rejects organized religion. It’s a result of our mother having taught us to read non-fiction and critical thinking skills.
You must be thinking of your own family/job here.
“….What’s next? Being told that Jesus loves you?
Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:15 pm”
Jesus is dead. How desperate are you, Megan, to need a dead guy to love you to feel valued? You’re pathetic. You just pretend it’s everyone else to feel better about how much your life sucks. LOL
May 29th, 2007 at 6:27 pmhttp://www.uruknet.info/?p=m33225
May 29th, 2007 at 6:27 pmUnbelievable is off his meds again. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Ah the irony, a wingnut talking about others off their meds!
Can you explain (this should be very funny) anything at all about the quotes you put in the Bible. Granted the moonbats should avoid any discussion of Christianity because of their limited knowledge of it. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Says the wingnut, that believes the earth is *flat* and 8000 years old!!!! BAHAHA st*pid NeoNaziCon!
It should be placed along side free market economics and liberty as the three subjects that will certainly make a moonbats head explode. Unbelievable the most recent example. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
You know your *advice* about liberals not knowing anything about *religion*, well the real issue is that *you* don’t know anything about *liberals* - and if you want to find a *moonbat*, you have to go to a different *site*. They do exist, but when they come here, they fight us, as much as they fight you - you poor little r*t*rded *ss*hole!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:27 pmPatrick1’s diaper soaked up the whole pool.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:28 pmThere is not one fact presented by a liberal on this thread. None. So Aaron should try again.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:29 pmEric, while you’re back there, could you check out that spot right below my anus. It’s still a little red from shoving the crucifix up my ass while I beat off. Daryll suggested I try it, and man it is so sweet! Talk about oneness with the lord. Sweet Peaches Christ!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:30 pm#137
Stop. It’s not that funny!! Oh, screw it!! It is that funny!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:31 pmPatrick: It seems obvious that TPers are still smarting from a long month of losses. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Oh, poor st*pid little NeoNaziCon! Just because liberals aren’t willing to shaft the troops - don’t consider that a *loss*! However, those troops now know exactly what party is willing to f*ck them!
The vitrolic is extreme and of course it’s easier to name call and ridicule rather than address the fallacies of their beilief system. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Well to be honest, being extreme and vitriolic is all you NeoNaziCons ever have to offer! That’s why you won’t discuss why your belief system has *increased* terrorism worldwide, failed economically, socially (heck even abortion is up under Bush). Poor little loser, you’re just projecting again!
It’s so funny to watch TPers try to get a rise by ad hominen attacks and instead get their heads handed to them by solid logic and history. Thank God we only have to work on 1% of the nation that holds these kinds of isolationist, conspiracy riddled, extreme view points. Pelosi wouldn’t hang with these nutcases. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Oh, poor st*pid little wingnut - it’s you *NeoCons* that are out of touch with america! All you have are “Ad Hominem” (learn to spell) attacks - and you wouldn’t know “solid logic” or “history” if it bit you - child…
As for being “isolationist” and “Conspiracy riddled” with “extreme points of view” - sorry child, but that’s you NeoNaziCons. You’re isolationists to the core, that’s why your only forays abroad are to “kill” or pay someone else to do the work you’re too lazy to do… What a sad little f*ck you are Eric.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:32 pmKristol, Kagan…sounds Israeli to me…traitors…..
May 29th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe Bush Administration leaks a secret plan to undermine the Govt. of Iran, and voila’ two American Academics are thrown in Prison accused of being spys.
Gone are the good old days when Kermit Roosevelt and a suitcase full of money$$ could overthrow a democratically elected Govt. in Iran because they had the temerity to want their oil nationlized.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThere is not one fact presented by a liberal on this thread. None. So Aaron should try again. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
You’re an ignorant raging *ssh*le. That’s all the *fact* that should be relevant to you - rube.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe problem Bob is that the left presents no alternative out of fear they would become responsible. It is easy for them to carp from the side and call for surrender when of course they would not have to be the ones who had to deal with the consequences of that surrender.
Leaving Iraq and going to Okinawa is retreat and surrender. There is no other definition for it. Until the American left can come up with a serious proposal on how to deal with this problem they will continue to be seen as weak.
When they had their chance in the 1990s, they failed. It is time for them to try again or at least stop providing aid and comfort to the enemy.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:33 pm“Unbelievable is off his meds again. Can you explain (this should be very funny) anything at all about the quotes you put in the Bible.”
I didn’t put quotes in the bible. I wasn’t alive when they wrote it.
Again, I’m a her. I know you hate women, but try to deal with it.
“Granted the moonbats should avoid any discussion of Christianity because of their limited knowledge of it. ”
My knowledge of it is better than yours. I was a real Christian for 33 years, and then I read the bible… Talk about being its own worst enemy. No wonder the Catholic Church objected to it being printed en masse when the printing press was invented… If you made a movie based on what your god does, it would get an NC17 rating.
“It should be placed along side free market economics and liberty as the three subjects that will certainly make a moonbats head explode. Unbelievable the most recent example.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:24 pm”
Actually, I predicted you would foam at the mouth, and you did. LOL. I find you Jesus-freaks very easy to manipulate…
Want more? Because I know YOU haven’t read the bible…
May 29th, 2007 at 6:34 pmThere is not one fact presented by a liberal on this thread. Except for the one about me soiling myself.
Jesus mom, TODAY!!! I can’t sit in my own feces all day!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:34 pmFalwell’s corpse might still be f*ckable, Patrick1.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:35 pmReally, the world is so much better off with the mullahs in power…(rolling eyes)
May 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pmSo, VVGFU — hate Jews much?
Off the medication? Replaced by wingnut pod person? If you’ve got an explanation for this kind of bigoted stupidity, I’d like to read it.
Comment by NoOneYouKnow — May 29, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Not at all, I hate people that use being “Jewish” as an excuse for extremism - like Valiant Ben Laden. She’s no different than an Arab using Islam as an excuse to hate “Jews”. Unfortunately Osama Ben Valiant is a “jew” of convenience, that’s also a baptized Christian. I would hardly call her a “Jew” by the historic definition - would you? She however is delusionally of the opinion that she’s somehow going to be one of the jews that “saves” Israel - as are many of the extreme NeoCon bunch. Israel is harmed by their efforts - not helped - hence my *rebuke* of her, and her hatred.
There’s nothing “bigoted” about my response - so STFU.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pmThere is not oen fact presented by me ever. None. So maybe I should stop trying.
Ooo, gotta go. Judge Judy is on.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pmMortal enemies? Is that the “Jew†part of you talking Valiant Ben Venus? Because Saddam was NOT the mortal enemy of the US - in fact he was our *friend* for oh so many years. Well the *friend* of you wingnuts anyway…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
So, VVGFU — hate Jews much?
Off the medication? Replaced by wingnut pod person? If you’ve got an explanation for this kind of bigoted stupidity, I’d like to read it.
Comment by NoOneYouKnow — May 29, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Still waiting.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pmThank you unbelievable for proving my point.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:37 pm