Kristol and Kagan: ‘Put Everything’ Behind Escalation So We Can Bomb Iran and Syria
Kristol and Kagan: ‘Put Everything’ Behind Escalation So We Can Bomb Iran and Syria
Weekly Standard editor William Kristol and fellow neoconservative Frederick Kagan have consistently been wrong in their predictions about Iraq. Last year, Kristol claimed an escalation would “improve our chances of winning.” Kagan proclaimed at the end of April, “We are turning a corner in Iraq.” But May was the deadliest month this year for U.S. soldiers.
This week, Kristol and Kagan renewed their calls for a defense of the status quo in Iraq. Writing an op-ed in the Weekly Standard, Kristol and Kagan call for unbridled support of the failing escalation:
This is no time to hedge or hesitate. Now is the time to put everything behind making the president’s strategy–which looks to be a winning strategy–succeed.
Recycling the talking point that debate over the war “undermines the efforts of our commanders in the field,” they respond to reports suggesting increased conservative dissatisfaction by calling on Bush to authoritatively squash all dissenting opinion on Iraq:
Congressional battles calling into doubt our commitment to winning in Iraq have been the major threat to progress since the president began pursuing the right strategy in January. The president, supported by congressional Republicans, has beaten back that threat. Now he needs to deal with his own administration, which has not made up its collective mind to support the president’s strategy wholeheartedly. Mixed messages from Bush’s advisers and cabinet undermine the efforts of our commanders in the field.
Calling the State Department’s recent talks with Iran and Syria “fantasy diplomatic solutions,” Kristol and Kagan instead advocate that “[d]iplomatic engagement by itself is a trap,” suggesting, as they both have before, that America should only deal militarily with Iraq’s neighbors. Such a policy would likely accelerate nuclear development in Iran and has been swiftly rejected by top U.S. military commanders.
Kristol and Kagan aim for a single objective: more war. As Glenn Greenwald noted, “What they [Kristol and Kagan] seek — by their own acknowledgment — is a conflict with Iran and Syria, and they want to stay in Iraq because that is how that goal can be achieved.”
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Well damn, this is it. Time to squash all opposition.
The Night of the Long Knives is on us!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:20 pmwar, war, war, war…
and more war. These sick bastards are happy to set aside everything this country is supposed to stand for to quenc their thirst for power, profits, war and killing.
It’s time for a new direction, though – one where people like this, and their politician friends don’t have the power to wage war with our money and lives…
Some thoughts:
“Leaders don’t kill people…”
May 29th, 2007 at 5:22 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/leaders_dont_kill_people
What the hell is wrong with Bill Kristol?
Dude, you’ve been consistently wrong about EVERYTHING!!! YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY!!!
Thanks for the thought that unending war is what you want. As if we didn’t know.
You war mongering lunatic.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:22 pmTough Talk From Chicken Hawks.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:23 pmDon’t you just love it when the mentally want to be taken seriously?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:23 pmas long as they can feed upon the war fever, they think they can stay in power… and that’s more important to them than the young men and women dying daily in Iraq
This isn’t about a war on terror, this isn’t about bringing democracy to Iraq, this isn’t even really about oil. This is about a group of men who are so obsessed with being ‘right’ and winning the approval of the people they, supposedly serve, that they will do anything (even subvert the constitution) to try and bring about their phyrric victory
May 29th, 2007 at 5:23 pmYes, let’s kill everyone! Iraqis, Iranians, Afganies, Syrians, who cares, kill ‘em all. We’ll show the world who’s smart and right and good!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pmWingers are pathologically incapable of self-criticism.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pm“Calling the State Department’s recent talks with Iran and Syria “fantasy diplomatic solutions,†Kristol and Kagan instead advocate that “[d]iplomatic engagement by itself is a trap,†suggesting, as they both have before, that America should only deal militarily with Iraq’s neighbors”
Why is it that these neo-con whackos are so against talking and so for war? What’s the harm in seeing if a dialogue can get us somehwere. It’s as though they are not satisifed without continual blood on the ground. WTF?!?!?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pmTwo of the many faces of the Devil on Earth- these F’n jacka$$es.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThis is the same crap that the Neocons were spewing at the recent PNAC circle jerk. Bolton was there, ranting about attacking Iran and Syria.
These guys just don’t give up. And they never, ever let the facts get in the way of their maniacal scheme.
I hope saner minds prevail.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pm“Congressional battles calling into doubt our commitment to winning in Iraq have been the major threat to progress since the president began pursuing the right strategy in January.”
Seems to me that the determination of insurgents to kill themselves and others in order to achieve sectarian ends has actually been the major threat to progress in Iraq.
But then, what do I know? I’m not a hot-shot pundit.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:26 pmWhat’s great is that Fox News puts the incessantly wrong Kristol on its airwaves every Sunday. How great is that. “Hey he’s wrong about everything, but we agree with him, so keep putting him on.”
Not that Fox cares about credibility, but only Cheney has been more woefully wrong about this little adventure.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:27 pm“….Kristol and Kagan aim for a single objective: more war…..”
Satyam – What is the “proving point” in the HR department here at TP? That half a story is better than none? War for the sake of war is immoral. War to kill and defeat ones’ mortal enemies (who have DECLARED war on us) is noble and JUST.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:27 pmAgain, what is the difference between them and jihadists chanting: “Dead to America”?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:28 pmSomebody needs to kidnap Billy Krystol and drop him in the middle of Baghdad…with no weapon and no body armor.
Lets see how long the chickenhawk can take it.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:28 pmIt’s so very easy to be so very brave from afar.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:29 pmI see another troll has raised its butt-ugly head in here.
We are not fighting terrorists in Iraq. Al-Quaeda is only doing 8% of the attacks.
We are fighting Iraqis because we are foreign occupiers.
They’re not our mortal enemies. They just want us to leave Iraq. Now.
Stupid troll. You believe any crap the Reich tells you.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:30 pmvaliant venus,
did Iran and Syria declare “war” on us? I missed that press release.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:31 pmthese individuals speak for Israel and david rockefeller.
do you get it now?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmWTF is Kristol smoking?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmSatyam – What is the “proving point†in the HR department here at TP? Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
What is the “proving point” for you – Valiant Ben Venus? Do they have to convert to your political party, church and synagogue at the same time to be trusted?
That half a story is better than none? Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
That sounds like one of YOUR POSTS – st*pid c*nt!!!
War for the sake of war is immoral. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Which is why YOU and the rest of the NeoNaziCons always find a way to *justify* your actions… So you can avoid all of that *inconvenient* and *overrated* – guilt – right?
War to kill and defeat ones’ mortal enemies (who have DECLARED war on us) is noble and JUST. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
Mortal enemies? Is that the “Jew” part of you talking Valiant Ben Venus? Because Saddam was NOT the mortal enemy of the US – in fact he was our *friend* for oh so many years. Well the *friend* of you wingnuts anyway…
You’re such a st*pid little c*nt. Stick to telling fake dead baby jokes, and eat something – Anorexia Guhrl… Your posts are as *thin* as your ugly little schnauzer face!!!!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmI am really ashamed of being part of the “West”.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmJesus christ…
May 29th, 2007 at 5:33 pmWhen will this discredited movement finally be condemned for what it is, Neofascism?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pmWhat a freakin’ visionary.
Does anyone care what Kristol says? Wasn’t he already a joke? Well, he certainly is now. Oh yeah, Bill. Victory is just around the bend.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pmClearly surrender is the only answer. Only now the Democrats have surrendered to the idea of surrender and retreated from the idea of retreat. What is a moonbat to do?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pmI am really ashamed of being part of the “Westâ€.
Comment by Juan C
Me too, Juan. This attitude in no represents us, but this is how we’re seen by the rest of the world.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pmHEY TP: Scouring your webpage for info on Sheehan the quitter announcing she is quitting her anti-war tactics. Nothing to be found. I would have thought something would have been said – one of the biggest news items of the day. Libs usually don’t have a stomach for protracted wars but I didn’t think they quit there own causes when there are setbacks.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pmWhat the hell is wrong with Bill Kristol?
Comment by Crump’s Brother
He is the chairman of PNAC. That says it all.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pmI haven’t seen anything that funny from Bill Crystal since his SNL days back in the 80″s.
Welcome back Billy..
May 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmAre you 13 years old? that is the most infantile thing I have ever read- infact it reads like a sci-fi/action adventure comic book.
go enlist, a$$hole from Venus
May 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThen do us a favor Juan “Iran is not a threat” C and leave the West. Iran is very friendly according to your past posts. Real estate their is probably reasonable.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmCan’t find anything on Chavez closing down free speech in Venezuela and the Islamists being kicked out of Anbar Province..in Iraq. Overlooked I’m sure, we will see the stories shortly.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:38 pmSorry, it’s obvious that I’m mentally disabled..
May 29th, 2007 at 5:38 pmSo? War is good for the Economy.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:39 pmas long as these types continue to put forth their beliefs on the teevee, the sanity commission will have overwhelming evidence of their being capable of irrational actions, and certainly their being a harm to themselves and others.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pmkeep it up. thanks
#29 I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if bedwetter Eric criticized Sheehan when she first began to protest the war. Speaking of having “a stomach for protracted wars,” Eric, no doubt you fancy yourself to have just such a stomach. But I don’t see you serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. So tell me: does being a pussy trump your patriotric pro-war fervor?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pmTP: Cindy Sheehan wanted me to relay the message that trying to bring about change is not worth the fight. Give up. It’s too hard. Your new Freshman class of Senators who rode in on the anti-war mandate just gave you the finger. Your only response is Et tu Brutus? You represent 1% of the opinion of America. Throw in the towel – it’s useless.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:41 pm#38 Same question to you, Patrick-bedwetter.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pm#9 Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 29, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Why is it that these neo-con whackos are so against talking and so for war? What’s the harm in seeing if a dialogue can get us somehwere. It’s as though they are not satisifed without continual blood on the ground. WTF?!?!?
I apologize for reposting this from yesterday. It does answer your question though. You folks that ask this, like Kasinca, have to look at this through their eyes and see what they are doing and how they see their successes. We can’t keep looking at this travesty through our own eyes. That just keeps us confused.
#75 Comment by kasinca — May 27, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
You asked:
Name one thing the PNAC and the neo-conservatives, who are members, have been right about (excluding the fact that Saddam was a bad man).
OK, I’ll bite. So far, it appears that their neo-con “Plan A†is achieving everything they intended it would! Look at what they have accomplished since Bush took office.
*Invaded Iraq
*Built the biggest Embassy in the world
*Built 4 major air bases for permanent occupation
*Wrote the laws that Iraq is governed by today
*Provided their moneyed backers (Haliburton etc.) with huge benefits
*Have, waiting in the wings the oil companies who will have first dibs on Iraqi oil with no need to account to or share that with the Iraqi people.
*Created a base of operations in the Middle East from which to continue their overthrow of Iran and any other country that does not capitulate to our terms. Goal: complete control of the whole ME.
And over the last 30 years: Nationally:
*Created a political base that prior to 1978 did not exist. The evangelical christian right!
*Created, with billions of dollars, a bunch of think tanks that swamp anything the Progressives have. They churn out speakers and white papers in huge quantities effectively overwhelming the political discussion
*Successfully created a rubber stamp congress (with the help of the DLC and conservative Democrats)
*Created the Patriot Act (the neo-con version of the Rule of Law-Our Constitution be damned!)
*Successfully moved the SCOTUS closer to the neocon orbit and is instituting a major change in the Federal Court system with religious evangelical attorneys
*Brought about the consolidation and control of the Mainstream Media into about 5 major corporations
*Brought the DOJ to its knees and put it under the presidents control
*Installed an anti UN American ambassador, Bolton
*Installed a neo-con, Iraq invasion and occupation architect, as head of the World Bank, Wolfowitz
*Adopted a policy of pre-emptive strike
*Avoided FISA, essentially won the spying on us issue
*Pulled off all the lies about the reasons to invade Iraq
Need I go on with the unending list of things that they have been “right†about? That have actually happened that prove it?
And, now, finally, after 30 years of incompetence and grovelling (the DLC folks and the willfully ignorant Democrats) the voice of the people is beginning being heard. Thanks to the internet as an alternative to the utterly corrupt MSM, we have a chance to right the sinking ship of state before it sinks into a fascist dictatorship.
Look, kasinca, we think they are wrong, they don’t! And they have a lot of successes to show for it. They have spent 30 years developing this “Plan A†which is all inclusive of all the things we rail against today (finally), partially listed above. There is no Plan B! Their goal, Plan A, is empire and control, plain and simple. It is more than just oil and the money the oil giants will make.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pm“Yes, let’s kill everyone! Iraqis, Iranians, Afganies, Syrians, who cares, kill ‘em all. We’ll show the world who’s smart and right and good!
Comment by GodfryDaniel — May 29, 2007 @ 5:24 pm”
I’d be laughing at your remark if it weren’t so f*cking true…
It would be interesting to see the statistics on the physical and mental health of these people versus normal human beings who don’t get off on the slaughter of others.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI haven’t seen anything that funny from Bill Crystal since his SNL days back in the 80″s.
Welcome back Billy..
Comment by BlueJersey
Wrong Kristol =)
May 29th, 2007 at 5:42 pmAnd Bill Crystal is sadly, still not funny. He was funny on SNL because someone else was writing the jokes.
You support Islamofascism VerbalKint yet I don’t see you fighting with Al Qaeda in Iraq or Afghanistan. So tell me: does being a pussy trump your treason anti-Ameircan fervor?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:43 pmThere should be a post on Sheehan quitting. So we can see what the wingnuts think.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:43 pmKristol is a blood-sucking vampire. He lives only for power and the ability to go on Fox and spill his evil seed. Fortunately, most of the population seems to have been innoculated against his contagion.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:44 pmClearly surrender is the only answer. Only now the Democrats have surrendered to the idea of surrender and retreated from the idea of retreat. What is a moonbat to do? Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Then you should surrender to the “will” of the American people. Oh wait, you wingnut NeoNaziCons don’t care much for “democracy”. You prefer those “strong” leaders that the rest of the world call “dictators”.
St*pid *ssh*le.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:44 pmPatrick the Troll is INSULTING OUR TROOPS.
We will not be surrendering when we leave Iraq. We will not have lost on the field of battle. General Betrayus will not be giving up his pistol to Osama.
Leaving Iraq is not surrendering. We will still be fighting terrorism elsewhere.
Why does Patrick hate our troops?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:44 pm“When will this discredited movement finally be condemned for what it is, Neofascism?
Comment by VerbalKint — May 29, 2007 @ 5:34 pm”
I’m thinking after the Canadians liberate us from the gulags.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pmSo? War is good for the Economy.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
It is? Then the economy would really s*ck even more without it? Because at this point “Old-Europe” is kicking our *ss – *ssh*le!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pmNice try VerbalKunt. Your posts continue to show your true mentality by your assumptions and your incoherent comprehension of history and facts. Just a foul-mouth lib who can’t argue so he name calls. Scoreboard.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pmWill somebody PLEASE frag these shit-for-brains? I am sick of this f*cking shit from these cowardly, draft-dodging scumbags.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:46 pmYou mean like Chavez and Castro and Saddam?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmCan’t find anything on Chavez closing down free speech in Venezuela and the Islamists being kicked out of Anbar Province..in Iraq. Overlooked I’m sure, we will see the stories shortly. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Oh you mean where Chavez shut down the ParaMilitary related wingnut media that orchestrated a Coup against his government, and called for what could only be described by our government as “acts of terrorism” against his government?
Can you imagine what Bush would have done to someone that orchestrated a Coup against him? BAHAHA, wow, you wingnuts sure have trouble with “perspective” don’t you?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmI’m with Bill Kristol (not the funny one) as long as he’s willing to go over there on the front lines with each and every living relative he’s got. Otherwise, I don’t think so.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmJust a foul-mouth lib who can’t argue so he name calls. Scoreboard.
Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Ah, hypocrisy. More of those fine “values” republicans posting as usual!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmKristol and Kagan are a couple of crack whores screaming for snuff porn. Who cares?
When’s the last time their pathetic little rag was right about something?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pm.
OT – But GITMO is unconstitutional without Congressional approval and Congress can close it anytime they want.
http://www.populistamerica.com/can_the_u_s_congress_close_guantanamo_bay
May 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pmYou represent 1% of the opinion of America. Throw in the towel – it’s useless.
Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Ooooooo!!!! Tough talk from Eric. I’m shaking in my boots. I think I better throw in the towel…
May 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pm…except that it isn’t 1%, it is 70%, Eric, 70%.
#48 Where? New York City like we had to after Clinton? No thanks.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pmHey Eric…
what are you but another foul mouthed neo con who can’t argue so he name calls?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pm“war is good for the economy” Actually, it isnt. It is government spending and increases the federal debt and causes inflation.
Repuke trolls are idiots, and this is just further proof.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:49 pm“There should be a post on Sheehan quitting. So we can see what the wingnuts think.
Comment by ForTruth — May 29, 2007 @ 5:43 pm”
Because it’s such a gaping mystery…. ?
:D
May 29th, 2007 at 5:49 pm#44 But I don’t support “islamofascism”, Patrick-stupider-than-ever-before. To begin with, no such movement actually exists. The term is a Neocon propaganda invention. As far as Islamic radicals go, I don’t support them either. You lie when you say I do. And you know what, Patrick? Pussies lie.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:50 pmLiberals don’t throw in the towel they run up a white flag. No charge for the correction.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:51 pmEric is another Repuke closet case. He has a hardon for Chimpy.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:51 pmTP: Cindy Sheehan wanted me to relay the message that trying to bring about change is not worth the fight. Give up. It’s too hard. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Maybe you should tell your homophobic, racist, misogynistic anti-immigration fellow rednecks that! America is not YOUR country f*cker – you just live here like the rest of the MAJORITY that disagrees with you!
Your new Freshman class of Senators who rode in on the anti-war mandate just gave you the finger. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Actually it was Bush that gave the troops the finger. The Senators weren’t willing to do that though. Wouldn’t expect you to understand such a thing.
Your only response is Et tu Brutus? Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Actually that’s what the slaughtered troops are saying right now. The difference is that OUR Senators don’t want them slaughtered to just to protect the “ego” of the loser wingnut senators. Et tu – *ssh*le?
You represent 1% of the opinion of America. Throw in the towel – it’s useless. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
BAHAHAHAHAA, you’re a f*cking fool! The MAJORITY of Americans represent our opinion, you lying idiot. Just because you can’t read a *poll*, or understand *math* – don’t blame us! Blame your r*t*rded genome! Loser!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:51 pmBill Kristol would be Chavez, Castro, or Saddam if he could.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:52 pmPatrick, if you support the Iraq occupation so much, why are you still here?
You should put up or shut up. Enlist, you chickenhawk.
Same for the rest of you trolls. You chickenhawks have nothing to say.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:52 pm“Can you imagine what Bush would have done to someone that orchestrated a Coup against him?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:47 pm”
Let’s find out… :D
May 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pm#48 Where? New York City like we had to after Clinton? No thanks.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
What’s wrong loser – you think suddenly they’ll be able to come here, when they can’t now? BAHAHAHAA, you’re a really dum bass, aren’t you son? How do you tie your own shoes in the morning – skid mark!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pm#19 – valiant venus, did Iran and Syria declare “war†on us? I missed that press release.” Comment by Crump’s Brother
Where have YOU been? We have been the “Great Satan” to Iran and it’s proxy Syria, for 27 years. The true mission in life of the Koranimal is the re-establishment of the Caliphate, the extermination of the Jews, the U.S. in particular and Western culture in general.
Al Qeada declared war (and being “stateless”) they are like parasites infesting a host organism. In the media, those parasites are known as “terror cells”.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pmThen how would you fight Islamo Fascism oh great moonbat warrior?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pmNice try VerbalKunt. Your posts continue to show your true mentality by your assumptions and your incoherent comprehension of history and facts. Just a foul-mouth lib who can’t argue so he name calls. Scoreboard.
Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Eric, I think you should be aware that the overwhelming majority of people at this site generally agree with my description of you. Calling someone a pussy is not name calling when it is true.
Please cite any comment in which I have displayed an “incoherent comprehension of history and facts”.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:54 pmThere should be a post on Sheehan quitting. So we can see what the wingnuts think.
Comment by ForTruth
It’s on the ThinkFast thread.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:54 pmJeez, now the troll is being a bigot.
There are 1.2 Billion Moslems in the world. 8 million Moslem US citizens.
And troll thinks they’re all bad. Troll is an idiot.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:54 pmLiberals don’t throw in the towel they run up a white flag. No charge for the correction. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Pure projection – from yet another *chickenhawk*. When p*ssi*s like you stay here – real *men* put their money where their mouth is. Unfortunately, f*cking cowards like you don’t value their lives, their sacrifices or their commitment. Instead you *waste* them by derailing them into a fight over *oil* and *Israel*. Loser!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:54 pmKeep telling yourself it’s 70%…….lol……………….even when your “enemies” tell you the follies of your ways and try to help you out you continue to march down the blind road. Majority of Americans want a successful war and a quick return of the troops. The majority of the Senate and House know that you don’t cut and run. Conspiracists and propagandists on TP continue to believe their own propaganda polls………….kind of bites you in the ass when that happens.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:56 pmvaliant venus,
Don’t change the topic. The post is about getting into a war with Iran and Syria. Did they declare war on us or not?
You said “War to kill and defeat ones’ mortal enemies (who have DECLARED war on us) is noble and JUST.”
first of all ‘mortal enemies’? What is this to you a comic book? Again I ask, when did Iran and Syria declare war on us?
May 29th, 2007 at 5:56 pm#51 Eric: “Scoreboard.”
Thanks for 2006, pal. And thanks in advance for the historic landslide victory the Democrats will enjoy in 2008.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pm“I am really ashamed of being part of the “Westâ€. Comment by Juan C
You remind me of those who say, “I’m ashamed to be an American.” Like I tell them, “I’m ashamed you’re an American, too.”
May 29th, 2007 at 5:58 pmIf it was 70% the Democrats would have voted to surrender.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:58 pmI would love to fight the terrorists myself, but I’m too busy playing World of Warcraft.
“Mom, leave me alone ok!!! I moved into the basement to get away from you. Yes I ordered the pizza!! Can you bring me my Dungeon Masters guide and another two liter of Mt. Dew?!?!?!”
May 29th, 2007 at 5:59 pmThen do us a favor Juan “Iran is not a threat†C and leave the West. Iran is very friendly according to your past posts.
Comment by Eric
How do you know Im not there already, planning something with my friends? ;)
May 29th, 2007 at 5:59 pmWhere have YOU been? We have been the “Great Satan†to Iran and it’s proxy Syria, for 27 years. The true mission in life of the Koranimal is the re-establishment of the Caliphate, the extermination of the Jews, the U.S. in particular and Western culture in general. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Whatever Valiant Ben Venus. You NeoNaziCons have by your OWN admission had the goals of exterminating or destroying all of the Muslim countries to *protect* yourself. How again are you different – Toranimal?
You do know that more Christians in this country want a “Christian Government”, than Muslims that want a Caliphate – right? And tell me, what is the “Official” religion of Israel? Is it a “secular” state, or does Jewish law run supreme there? Tell me, do the Orthodox boys and girls have to serve in the military like all of the rest of the “citizens”?
Al Qeada declared war (and being “statelessâ€) they are like parasites infesting a host organism. In the media, those parasites are known as “terror cellsâ€. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Actually, most in the Islamic war believe we declared war in Islam when we first occupied Palestine which had been Christian/Muslim for 2000/1200 years – then when we occupied the land of Mecca.
But don’t let those little “events” change your mind. See they see the Israeli state as the “parasite” organism, and they see you NeoNaziCons and your “terror cells” like Kristol within the power structure of the west as a threat to their civilization. Considering that your stated goals sound very much like Osama – you’re just two mad (men) cut from the same Cloth – Osama Ben Venus!
May 29th, 2007 at 5:59 pmKristol and Kagan have been right all along. They’re my idols.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:00 pmSecure ports and borders and pull occupying troops out of the Middle East while special ops carry out pinpoint operations on terrorist targets.
Bombing and occupying countries only creates more terrorists and “islamofascists.”
May 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pmIt’s kind of sad to see how you liberals don’t realize what kind of a disaster you’re inviting when you refuse to accept that a strong action against terror sponsoring islamic regimes like that in Iran is required right now. It’s kind of pathetic that you won’t accept it simply because GOP and the current President are advocating such action.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pm#69 You support IslamoFascism, why are you still here?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pm“We have been the “Great Satan†to Iran and it’s proxy Syria, for 27 years. The true mission in life of the Koranimal is the re-establishment of the Caliphate, the extermination of the Jews, the U.S. in particular and Western culture in general.
Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:53 pm”
Oh please, again with the melodrama from the delusional Bushite who thinks she is on a mission from some invisible man. I read as much of your MySpace page as I could stomach, Megan. You truly are delirious…
May 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pmMighty moron; yes, Iran considers us ‘the Great Satan’, and here is why; in 1953 the CIA toppled the democratically elected leader of Iran in a coup, foisting the despotic Shah(a brutal dictator), because the deposed government had the audicity to want to control their own natural resources(oil), Can’t have that now, can we? the 1979 Islamic Revolution is the blowback from our interference in their internal affairs, and it is well deserved.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:02 pmCrump – Change the subject? Ha! Broaden your scope OF THE SUBJECT. Having backed the pro-Western Shah of Iran for decades, the Ayatollahs took control of the reins. What part of the Carter administration were you asleep? Apparently…… the “foreign affairs” portion.
Go study the illustrious Presidency of Ahdimenejad and report back …..Like a true idiotis, you expect the rules of engagement to apply today. Were facing a different enemy, little tool…..
May 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pmKeep telling yourself it’s 70%…….lol………………. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Yeah, who needs opinion polls, when GOD tells you what it is – right Eric? BAHAHA lunatic!
even when your “enemies†tell you the follies of your ways and try to help you out you continue to march down the blind road. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Read that, and take it’s advice – child.
Majority of Americans want a successful war and a quick return of the troops. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
The majority of americans want a time line, and a return home – period!
The majority of the Senate and House know that you don’t cut and run.Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
You mean like Bush was willing to do to the troops, just because he couldn’t “have his way”? Aren’t you glad that they don’t share your immoral and psychotic stubborn st*pidity? Of course you don’t that would require you have a brain – dum bass!
Conspiracists and propagandists on TP continue to believe their own propaganda polls………….kind of bites you in the ass when that happens. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
BAHAHA and you wingnuts continue to believe your own *cultist* delusion, even when reality shows you that you’re wrong. Just as in 2006, when it kind of bit you in the *ss – because you couldn’t face reality! In the end, the harder you f*ckers try to f*ck this country – the harder reality will f*ck you! Enjoy your ride *down* – *ssh*le – I know I’m enjoying watching you and your party slide into oblivion!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pmVerbalkunt: That’s like Neville Chamberlain or Hanoi Jane asking me the same question. Where would one start?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pm#69 You support IslamoFascism, why are you still here?
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
You must be referring to the NeoCons – that love IslamoFascism as long as it was fighting the Soviets! St*pid little hypocrite, you make me laugh!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:04 pmI love the troops!! Especially when the sailors come into to town. I try to ‘adopt’ at least three or four of them a night.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:04 pmBut the countries that support them go merrily on? That is the liquor store method of Clinton that led to 9/11.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:04 pmVerbalkunt: That’s like Neville Chamberlain or Hanoi Jane asking me the same question. Where would one start? Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Only if they were referring to the dangers of Djibouti invading the US! St*pid Con – you really don’t have a grasp on any reality do you?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:05 pmLiberals don’t throw in the towel they run up a white flag. No charge for the correction.
Comment by Patrick1
That’s not a white flag P-1, that’s your diaper we’re trying to line dry.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:05 pmvaliant venus,
When did Iran or Syria declare ware on us?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:05 pm#35 – Patrick1,
May 29th, 2007 at 6:06 pmTwo words – “Constitutional mustard”.
“There are 1.2 Billion Moslems in the world. 8 million Moslem US citizens.
And troll thinks they’re all bad. Troll is an idiot.
Comment by Tom3 — May 29, 2007 @ 5:54 pm”
You wanna see some real troll frenzy? Watch this :D
Jesus was a douche bag.
Here’s the proof:
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20
Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.†Revelations 19:20-21
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.†Matthew 15:4-7
Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9
Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse. Mark 5:12-13
Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was retarded enough to do something this silly. You’d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don’t bear fruit in dry season. Mark 11:13
Luke 12:47 Jesus okays beating slaves.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI’ve been linking these stories to Little Green Footballs all day in case anyone is wondering where all my friends came from. You can thank me later.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:06 pmCrump – Change the subject? Ha! Broaden your scope OF THE SUBJECT. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
You mean artificially conflate unrelated things? BAHAHA, that’s all you can ever do – st*pid c*nt. Ramble off topic! Maybe it’s the eating disorder? Stay focused c*nt!
Having backed the pro-Western Shah of Iran for decades, the Ayatollahs took control of the reins. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
You mean after wingnut policies overthrew a democracy (as you are now calling for in Venezuela) and put in a dictator, the people finally had it with the US and our f*cking with them? Wow, how could THAT happen?
What part of the Carter administration were you asleep? Apparently…… the “foreign affairs†portion. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
What part of Fed Up with US support of Dictators were you asleep about Osama Ben Venus?
Go study the illustrious Presidency of Ahdimenejad and report back …..Like a true idiotis, you expect the rules of engagement to apply today. Were facing a different enemy, little tool….. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
He sounds just like Bush – and I bet HE believes GOD talks to him to. Tell me, what did GOD tell you this week – you lunatic hell b*tch?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:08 pmIran in 1979.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:08 pm“Were facing a different enemy, little tool…..
Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm”
Yes, people like you. You’re the reason America is imploding.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmHow do you know Im not there already, planning something with my friends? ;)
Comment by Juan C
Heh.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmDear BB – Liberals are only judgemental when it comes to despising conservatives. They will become contortionists and human pretzels to see everything anti-American through the lens of our enemies. They are collaborators extraordinaire..….
Toooodles…….
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmTHe Patrick1 name-jacking is too much.
I say everyone adopt the name Patrick1 and run with it. It would at least be funny. Seriously funny!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmunbelievable wants to change the subject to his stupidity.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmIf I may quote the great historical essayist and fantasist Mark Rogers:
I didn’t realize until this moment both that Mark Rogers invented the “shorter” concept years before liberal bloggers put it into common use, and that Kristol and Kagan had so wholeheartedly embraced Stalin’s convenient simplification.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:11 pmDear BB – Liberals are only judgemental when it comes to despising conservatives. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Oh dear st*pid c*nt, being judgmental implies that you’re somehow unfairly treating someone. Whereas, we’re being *kind* enough to be honest with you – something you can’t be with yourself or anyone else for that matter.
They will become contortionists and human pretzels to see everything anti-American through the lens of our enemies. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Says the st*pid c*nt that admitted she disagreed with *most* american policies while claiming to be “pro-american”. Ah, the self loathing projection of another Osama Ben Venus!
They are collaborators extraordinaire..….
Toooodles…… Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Says the wingnut who’s SIDE gave Saddam his WMDs, and Osama his *training*. Tell me – what *side* are you on – Osama Ben Venus? So far, all we see is anti-american and anti-democratic rhetoric that hates the “will” of the people, and “American” values!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:14 pmI just soiled myself.
MOM!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pm“I’ve been linking these stories to Little Green Footballs all day in case anyone is wondering where all my friends came from. You can thank me later.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:06 pm”
You are all the same flavor of ignorant. It doesn’t matter if it’s one of you cockroaches in here or twenty – you’re still just nasty little bugs that carry diseases, and scatter when a light (truth) is turned on.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmunbelievable – I am sorry for you. You seem like the most miserable, loney, rejected, disliked “superior” person here! First your family “ignorantly” believes in God – (those pesky rules!) and the “ignorant” backward school district does not appreciate your “insight and genius”….What’s next? Being told that Jesus loves you?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmHEY TP: Scouring your webpage for info on Sheehan the quitter announcing she is quitting her anti-war tactics. Nothing to be found. I would have thought something would have been said – one of the biggest news items of the day. Libs usually don’t have a stomach for protracted wars but I didn’t think they quit there own causes when there are setbacks.
Comment by Eric
Probably help a lot if you actually learned to read, troll. It was posted on TP at 9:07 am EDT. You owe TP and all the “libs” an apology.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmSo the left is back to its roots of Lenin and Stalin now. They are indeed in full retreat.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI’ve been linking these stories to Little Green Footballs all day in case anyone is wondering where all my friends came from. You can thank me later. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
The meeting of the *mindless* – oh poor Patrick1. What’s wrong – too *cowardly* to take us on without a *surge* to back you up? Poor little coward – won’t fight in the real world, and have to call in your “big brother” even on the blogs!
Wouldn’t it be equally fun if your wingnut sites didn’t “censor”? Can’t have all of those liberal “opinions” polluting your propaganda – right child?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:16 pm#78 Whatever you want to tell yourself, bubble boy. Hiding from the truth is just going to make it hurt more when it finally sinks home.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI’d like to change the subject to men in uniform. Can we discuss that please!!??
May 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pmInternets wars!!! Libruls vurse consurvativs!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pmWhat is to be expected from an author(s? ) of PNAC?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI am an official card-carrying member of the KKK, and the Nazi parties. I hate America, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, the troops, and everything they represent, along with women, blacks, spics, and everything else.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pm#112 There is nothing in that thread that is correct. Congratulations your anus.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI suggest that Eric and Patrick-dumber-than-a-rock start preparing themselves emotionally for the day their fearless CIC cuts and runs under pressure from his own party.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pmMortal enemies? Is that the “Jew†part of you talking Valiant Ben Venus? Because Saddam was NOT the mortal enemy of the US – in fact he was our *friend* for oh so many years. Well the *friend* of you wingnuts anyway…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
So, VVGFU — hate Jews much?
Off the medication? Replaced by wingnut pod person? If you’ve got an explanation for this kind of bigoted stupidity, I’d like to read it.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pmMOM, why can’t you clean up my bedpan for me? You know I’m busy trying to make of people that are obviously smarter than me. Your gonna force me to crap on the floor again!!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pm“unbelievable wants to change the subject to his stupidity.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:10 pm”
So you admit that the bible is stupid? Cool. That was easy. You usually convulse and spit phlegm when I post verses, the very word of your god, not recognizing that I had nothig to do with their authorship… I’m just the messenger honey.
By the way, I’m a her. I know they don’t let women in your single branched family tree learn how to read, but we liberals recognize that intellect originates in the brain, not the sex organs.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:19 pmPatrick1 needs hes diaper changed. Will someone please call Bill Kristol, he is certainly qualified since he is always talking shit.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:19 pmSo the left is back to its roots of Lenin and Stalin now. They are indeed in full retreat.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Patrick-you-are-a-determined-liar, this is one of the boldest misrepresentations I have yet seen at this site.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:22 pmSorry Shane, wrong again! My diapers aren’t white, you silly lib. My diapers are yellow and brown from spoling myself everytime I hear the word “Muslim”.
Whoops! Damn! Even typing the word makes me shit myself.
Be right back. Tooooooooooodles!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:23 pmUnbelievable is off his meds again. Can you explain (this should be very funny) anything at all about the quotes you put in the Bible. Granted the moonbats should avoid any discussion of Christianity because of their limited knowledge of it.
It should be placed along side free market economics and liberty as the three subjects that will certainly make a moonbats head explode. Unbelievable the most recent example.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:24 pmPatrick:
It seems obvious that TPers are still smarting from a long month of losses. The vitrolic is extreme and of course it’s easier to name call and ridicule rather than address the fallacies of their beilief system. It’s so funny to watch TPers try to get a rise by ad hominen attacks and instead get their heads handed to them by solid logic and history. Thank God we only have to work on 1% of the nation that holds these kinds of isolationist, conspiracy riddled, extreme view points. Pelosi wouldn’t hang with these nutcases.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:25 pmDouble-down, bitches!!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:25 pmPatrick1,
Countries that support “islamofascists”
Unites States
May 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pm
Everybody’s crying Peace on Earth
May 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmJust as soon as we win this war.
– Mose Allison, “Everybody’s Crying Mercy”
Eric, that you buddy? Can you give me a hand cleaning up this mess again. You’re the best, I don’t know anyone else that would clean shit off the floor with their tongue.
Thanks buddy! All that for a handjob, you’re the best!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmThe media needs to take a long look at PNAC and the authors… and just who is invested in MIC. Shouldn’t this be newsworthy? Oh, I forgot, some in the news media may have investments there too. And of course, the news we get is the news the neocon corporate owned right winged media wants you to know.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmHow silly of me to expect news I can use.
Until Patrick1, valiant_____, etc., demonstrate any kind of ability to repeat our arguments back to us to show that they understand our arguments, let alone absorb any facts that might contradict their arguments (such as they are) and adjust accordingly, let alone demonstrate any deeper understanding of global/regional politics, let alone demonstrate any assertive coherent theory/zeitgeist backbone, there really isn’t any point in throwing substance into their incinerator.
Such people are capable of insults and repetition of some general assertions. Congratulations to Patrick1, valiant____, and others! Insults and allegiance to… something… are what will convince everyone here to… what, exactly? Froth? Congratulations to Patrick1, valiant______, etc., for constantly demonstrating what is practically a law of large Internet forums: One can always reduce n+1 people to a substance-free shouting match and ignore the others.
That’s a real accomplishment. Way. To. Go.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmThe strongest advocates for war have never fought in one, much less served in the armed forces.
The strongest advocates for a strategic change have never suggested surrender. It is a lie to suggest otherwise.
Disaggreeing with the failed policy of invading and occupying Iraq to decrease terrorism does not make one a ‘terrorist sympsthizer’.
The jump in logic required to apply ’surrender’ or ‘defeat’ or ’sympathy for terrorists’ to the points of disagreement is so absurd that reasonable debate is immediately halted. No further logical or reasonable argument can be used to counter such gross misrepresentation of the debate.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:27 pm“I am sorry for you. You seem like the most miserable, loney, rejected, disliked “superior†person here!”
Ah ha! You don’t project your desperation on to others this much unless we’e hit a nerve.
I’ll take it to mean that is your MySpace page (I was just fishing… And you bit).
“First your family “ignorantly†believes in God – (those pesky rules!) and the “ignorant†backward school district does not appreciate your “insight and geniusâ€
My family? One brother is an Atheist, my mom is agnostic, and the other brother believes in a god of sorts, but rejects organized religion. It’s a result of our mother having taught us to read non-fiction and critical thinking skills.
You must be thinking of your own family/job here.
“….What’s next? Being told that Jesus loves you?
Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:15 pm”
Jesus is dead. How desperate are you, Megan, to need a dead guy to love you to feel valued? You’re pathetic. You just pretend it’s everyone else to feel better about how much your life sucks. LOL
May 29th, 2007 at 6:27 pmhttp://www.uruknet.info/?p=m33225
May 29th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Unbelievable is off his meds again. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Ah the irony, a wingnut talking about others off their meds!
Can you explain (this should be very funny) anything at all about the quotes you put in the Bible. Granted the moonbats should avoid any discussion of Christianity because of their limited knowledge of it. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Says the wingnut, that believes the earth is *flat* and 8000 years old!!!! BAHAHA st*pid NeoNaziCon!
It should be placed along side free market economics and liberty as the three subjects that will certainly make a moonbats head explode. Unbelievable the most recent example. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
You know your *advice* about liberals not knowing anything about *religion*, well the real issue is that *you* don’t know anything about *liberals* – and if you want to find a *moonbat*, you have to go to a different *site*. They do exist, but when they come here, they fight us, as much as they fight you – you poor little r*t*rded *ss*hole!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:27 pmPatrick1’s diaper soaked up the whole pool.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:28 pmThere is not one fact presented by a liberal on this thread. None. So Aaron should try again.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:29 pmEric, while you’re back there, could you check out that spot right below my anus. It’s still a little red from shoving the crucifix up my ass while I beat off. Daryll suggested I try it, and man it is so sweet! Talk about oneness with the lord. Sweet Peaches Christ!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:30 pm#137
Stop. It’s not that funny!! Oh, screw it!! It is that funny!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:31 pmPatrick: It seems obvious that TPers are still smarting from a long month of losses. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Oh, poor st*pid little NeoNaziCon! Just because liberals aren’t willing to shaft the troops – don’t consider that a *loss*! However, those troops now know exactly what party is willing to f*ck them!
The vitrolic is extreme and of course it’s easier to name call and ridicule rather than address the fallacies of their beilief system. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Well to be honest, being extreme and vitriolic is all you NeoNaziCons ever have to offer! That’s why you won’t discuss why your belief system has *increased* terrorism worldwide, failed economically, socially (heck even abortion is up under Bush). Poor little loser, you’re just projecting again!
It’s so funny to watch TPers try to get a rise by ad hominen attacks and instead get their heads handed to them by solid logic and history. Thank God we only have to work on 1% of the nation that holds these kinds of isolationist, conspiracy riddled, extreme view points. Pelosi wouldn’t hang with these nutcases. Comment by Eric — May 29, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
Oh, poor st*pid little wingnut – it’s you *NeoCons* that are out of touch with america! All you have are “Ad Hominem” (learn to spell) attacks – and you wouldn’t know “solid logic” or “history” if it bit you – child…
As for being “isolationist” and “Conspiracy riddled” with “extreme points of view” – sorry child, but that’s you NeoNaziCons. You’re isolationists to the core, that’s why your only forays abroad are to “kill” or pay someone else to do the work you’re too lazy to do… What a sad little f*ck you are Eric.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:32 pmKristol, Kagan…sounds Israeli to me…traitors…..
May 29th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe Bush Administration leaks a secret plan to undermine the Govt. of Iran, and voila’ two American Academics are thrown in Prison accused of being spys.
Gone are the good old days when Kermit Roosevelt and a suitcase full of money$$ could overthrow a democratically elected Govt. in Iran because they had the temerity to want their oil nationlized.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThere is not one fact presented by a liberal on this thread. None. So Aaron should try again. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
You’re an ignorant raging *ssh*le. That’s all the *fact* that should be relevant to you – rube.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe problem Bob is that the left presents no alternative out of fear they would become responsible. It is easy for them to carp from the side and call for surrender when of course they would not have to be the ones who had to deal with the consequences of that surrender.
Leaving Iraq and going to Okinawa is retreat and surrender. There is no other definition for it. Until the American left can come up with a serious proposal on how to deal with this problem they will continue to be seen as weak.
When they had their chance in the 1990s, they failed. It is time for them to try again or at least stop providing aid and comfort to the enemy.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:33 pm“Unbelievable is off his meds again. Can you explain (this should be very funny) anything at all about the quotes you put in the Bible.”
I didn’t put quotes in the bible. I wasn’t alive when they wrote it.
Again, I’m a her. I know you hate women, but try to deal with it.
“Granted the moonbats should avoid any discussion of Christianity because of their limited knowledge of it. ”
My knowledge of it is better than yours. I was a real Christian for 33 years, and then I read the bible… Talk about being its own worst enemy. No wonder the Catholic Church objected to it being printed en masse when the printing press was invented… If you made a movie based on what your god does, it would get an NC17 rating.
“It should be placed along side free market economics and liberty as the three subjects that will certainly make a moonbats head explode. Unbelievable the most recent example.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:24 pm”
Actually, I predicted you would foam at the mouth, and you did. LOL. I find you Jesus-freaks very easy to manipulate…
Want more? Because I know YOU haven’t read the bible…
May 29th, 2007 at 6:34 pmThere is not one fact presented by a liberal on this thread. Except for the one about me soiling myself.
Jesus mom, TODAY!!! I can’t sit in my own feces all day!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:34 pmFalwell’s corpse might still be f*ckable, Patrick1.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:35 pmReally, the world is so much better off with the mullahs in power…(rolling eyes)
May 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pmSo, VVGFU — hate Jews much?
Off the medication? Replaced by wingnut pod person? If you’ve got an explanation for this kind of bigoted stupidity, I’d like to read it.
Comment by NoOneYouKnow — May 29, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Not at all, I hate people that use being “Jewish” as an excuse for extremism – like Valiant Ben Laden. She’s no different than an Arab using Islam as an excuse to hate “Jews”. Unfortunately Osama Ben Valiant is a “jew” of convenience, that’s also a baptized Christian. I would hardly call her a “Jew” by the historic definition – would you? She however is delusionally of the opinion that she’s somehow going to be one of the jews that “saves” Israel – as are many of the extreme NeoCon bunch. Israel is harmed by their efforts – not helped – hence my *rebuke* of her, and her hatred.
There’s nothing “bigoted” about my response – so STFU.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pmThere is not oen fact presented by me ever. None. So maybe I should stop trying.
Ooo, gotta go. Judge Judy is on.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pmMortal enemies? Is that the “Jew†part of you talking Valiant Ben Venus? Because Saddam was NOT the mortal enemy of the US – in fact he was our *friend* for oh so many years. Well the *friend* of you wingnuts anyway…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 29, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
So, VVGFU — hate Jews much?
Off the medication? Replaced by wingnut pod person? If you’ve got an explanation for this kind of bigoted stupidity, I’d like to read it.
Comment by NoOneYouKnow — May 29, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Still waiting.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pmThank you unbelievable for proving my point.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:37 pmIf anyone is interested in reading Cindy Sheehan’s blog entry at DailyKos yesterday, here is the URL:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/28/12530/1525
As of now there have been 1255 responses in the comments section. The response is 100% positive, understanding and empathetic. I read several hundred posts and found the experience very uplifting. Cindy is suffering a common reaction called “Burnout.” She needs rest and time out which she will get. I predict she will return to the fight again in her own way in the future.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:38 pmI’m not foaming at the mouth, in case you can’t tell, I’m laughing at you.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:38 pmPatrick1: You support IslamoFascism, why are you still here?you support “Islamofascism.” You and that jug-eared cretin in the White House whom you worship have been and continue to be, far and away, the best thing that ever could have happened to the bin Ladenists. You’ve been a fanatic terrorist’s dream come true. It’s you and the millions of mouth-breathing morons like you who gave them the only chance they’ve ever had of actually defeating the free world.
If it weren’t for greed-crazed, disloyal gutter trash like your heroes Cheney and Rumsfeld and their dim little puppet Duh-Byuh, we’d certainly already have caught, tried and hanged bin Laden by now. But no, your heroes had to pull soldiers out of Afghanistan when that deranged Saudi pig was on the run, so they could pursue their irrelevant grudge against Iraq. You filthy traitors! Those three thousand Americans murdered in the World Trade Center obviously mean zero to you and your camp.
You want to do something useful to the civilized world in our war against Islamic fanaticism? I suggest suicide.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:38 pmWhy does TP have Active X Controls? I set the browser to block them, and its no different.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:39 pmI get the feeling that Patrick1 is the type of guy that thinks loading the dishwasher, means getting his wife drunk!!
May 29th, 2007 at 6:40 pm#133 An off-scale case of projection, Eric. Speaking of smarting, are you still dwelling on the beating your party took in 2006? Think the worst is over? Think again. Take a look at where independent voters stand on the issues lately. Your party can’t win on its 28% base.
See you in 2008.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:40 pmThank you unbelievable for proving my point.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
That you’re an ignorant r*t*rded *ssh*le?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:40 pmNo One You Know – - VVGFU is one of the more prolific anti-Semites here at TP……I try to ignore him/her…..He/she starts foaming at the mouth when someone stares and points – being mentally ill is a difficult path and VVGFU deserves our compassion, a strait jacket and a thickly padded room……
May 29th, 2007 at 6:41 pmStill waiting.
Comment by NoOneYouKnow — May 29, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
That’s because you’re st*pid. I have nothing against the “jews”, I have do however believe a hypocrite is a hypocrite, and hatemonger is a hatemonger – no matter what “religion” they hide behind as an excuse. Whether that’s Kristol, Osama, Falwell, or Valiant. They’re all the same to me. Hypocrites, fools, and maniacs.
What’s your excuse?
May 29th, 2007 at 6:42 pm“Thank you unbelievable for proving my point.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:37 pm”
Your point is that you religious nuts don’t actually know what the bible says?
No problem, I’m happy to help you point that out, because its such a violent book that everyone aught to read cover-to-cover, so they will see the truth for a change.
Glad we agree on the ignorance of most Christians. Now, we can fight it.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:42 pm#163 Congressman Santos has joined us.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:43 pmI’m not foaming at the mouth, in case you can’t tell, I’m laughing at you. Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Don’t worry Patrick1, that laughter is really misdirected anxiety – if you up your medication you won’t laugh at yourself for being such a st*pid little f*ck…
May 29th, 2007 at 6:43 pm“I predict she will return to the fight again in her own way in the future.
Comment by Merlin — May 29, 2007 @ 6:38 pm”
Absolutely. True warriors can never stay out of the fight. It’s why this is only a big deal to the neocon nuts… She’ll be back.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:44 pm“She needs rest and time out which she will get. I predict she will return to the fight again in her own way in the future.” Comment by Merlin
She also needs $$$$…..Dems dumped on her big time after she criticized the Party Apparatchik, she has a collection account for her medical bills, so may I suggest compassionate Progs everywhere dig deep in their lint-filled pockets and throw the retiring “professional mourner” a few bucks….My heart grieved for Cindy Sheehan until she refused to get off poor Casey’s casket and turned it into a podium……
May 29th, 2007 at 6:45 pm“I’m not foaming at the mouth, in case you can’t tell, I’m laughing at you.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 29, 2007 @ 6:38 pm”
Logic dictates that you ARE foaming at the mouth because people who are busy laughing don’t say angry things… (Now don’t you wish you’d stayed awake in high school?) LOL
May 29th, 2007 at 6:46 pmNo One You Know – - VVGFU is one of the more prolific anti-Semites here at TP……I try to ignore him/her…..Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Says the *anti-semite* troll that thinks “Liberal Secular Jews that are appeasers” are the problem!!!!
If you weren’t a self-espoused “Christian” – this wouldn’t be so funny – st*pid c*nt! I always *love* how you pull out the Jew card as a slap for calling someone “anti-semitic”, and the Christian Card when people point out that you’re anti-islamic because you’re a religious fanatic!!!
He/she starts foaming at the mouth when someone stares and points – being mentally ill is a difficult path and VVGFU deserves our compassion, a strait jacket and a thickly padded room……
Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Ah, I’m glad to see you understand how most here view you – even if it is only through the sad tool of “Projection” yet again. What a st*pid little c*nt you are – sad little girl.
It’s fringe lunatics like you that cause MOST of the worlds problems. Whether you’re in a Burka, a wig, or just dressed in your street clothes. Fundamentalists, fools, and greedy f*cks like you and Kristol, and Osama are at the heart of the hate and failure in the world…
May 29th, 2007 at 6:47 pmShe also needs $$$$…..Dems dumped on her big time after she criticized the Party Apparatchik, she has a collection account for her medical bills, so may I suggest compassionate Progs everywhere dig deep in their lint-filled pockets and throw the retiring “professional mourner†a few bucks….My heart grieved for Cindy Sheehan until she refused to get off poor Casey’s casket and turned it into a podium…… Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
You know, just because you’re a greedy selfish b*tch – you really should “project” your own *sins* on others – you st*pid little hateful c*nt.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:47 pm“My heart grieved for Cindy Sheehan until she refused to get off poor Casey’s casket and turned it into a podium……
Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:45 pm”
You, joker of dead babies, have no heart.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:51 pmthe most frightening thing to me is that they are still on the air which means there many who support these goon’s views.
I honestly can not fathom how man can’t see that violence begets violence.
on balance…
May 29th, 2007 at 6:51 pmGore on Olbermann tonight
No One You Know – - #176 & 177….pathetic, huh??
May 29th, 2007 at 6:52 pmI see the cockroach trolls have again scattered in the presence of light (truth). LOL
Time to feed the kitties… Later ya’ll
May 29th, 2007 at 6:53 pmYou, joker of dead babies, have no heart.
Comment by unbelievable — May 29, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Maybe if she had gotten off her own (fake) dead baby’s coffin, instead of using it as the source of a “Joke” and an attack on “Liberals” this wouldn’t seem so “Hypocritical” and hateful? She’s such a st*pid little Anorexic c*nt…
May 29th, 2007 at 6:54 pmUnbelievable – You who have never experienced the maternal joy of a baby (both before and after it’s birth) and the loss of one so small might be better off not addressing such a tender topic…..Don’t forget the Cat Chow.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:55 pmNo One You Know – - #176 & 177….pathetic, huh??
Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Pure projection – Osama Ven Venus. Few things are MORE pathetic, than you, and your Dead Baby Joke friends..
Unbelievable – You who have never experienced the maternal joy of a baby (both before and after it’s birth) and the loss of one so small might be better off not addressing such a tender topic…..Don’t forget the Cat Chow. Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
Was that before or after you turned your “Fake” baby into Cat Chow by making st*pid jokes about it?
No *mother* is ever as heartless, cruel, and selfish as you are. You’re a piece of sh*t, you hateful st*pid c*nt.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:02 pmUnbelievable – You who have never experienced the maternal joy of a baby (both before and after it’s birth) and the loss of one so small might be better off not addressing such a tender topic…..Don’t forget the Cat Chow.
Comment by valiant venus
So brave, Haggie — waiting until she goes offline to punt that turd.
You’re a liar, of course, and if you ever have any children, I will feel sorry for them.
You have used the coffin of an alleged dead child as a stand up comedy stage. It doesn’t get much worse than that, Hag.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:04 pmYou know Osama Ben Venus, Churchill said that wingnut Jews like you and Kristol had brought on all of the Nazi hatred to your “race”. Your selfishness, your greed, your hatred, and your vile lack of morality and values. I would imagine you probably feel that way about Osama and his kind bringing on the hatred you feel toward his “Koranimal” (as you call it) friends.
Ironic, how you and Osama both unfortunately bring about that loathing (as individuals) against your own people. See, I am smart enough to know that the *majority* (actually 86% in this country) of Jews agree with me, and not you. Just as the vast majority of Muslims don’t agree with the actions of Osama.
Unfortunately, the rest of us *sane* people are caught between wingnuts like you on both sides.
So get the f*ck over yourself – you aren’t *fighting* terrorism – you *are* terrorism! That’s why your little religious *friends* are always trying to blow something up, or shoot people in this country.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:07 pmI’m all for bombing both Syria and Iran, but only under one condition.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:07 pmWarheads are removed, and Kristol is strapped to one bomb, Kagan the other.
Just more evidence of the Project for the New American century madness. These people know very well that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program, and even if (a very strong if since CIA and IAEA can’t provide evidence) it would take between 3 (very optimistic) and up to 8 years (which is more likely).
May 29th, 2007 at 7:09 pmRead parts from the neocon mein kampf:
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/stockbauer1.html
War is not the answer for terrorism; it is one of the reasons that terror exists. If conservatives really want to fight terror then they should look into different alleys where funding would actually make a great impact. This war has cost over $340 billion to date. According to the Borgen Project, it costs just $19 billion annually to end starvation and malnutrition or just $23 billion annually to reverse the spread of Malaria and AIDS. Wouldn’t aiding in the development of countries and supporting the Millennium Development Goals to end poverty be a better plan for attacking extremism? Afterall, why does extremism exist?? Invading more and more countries is ridiculous.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:13 pmThe Repulsive tactics and talking points never change much, do they?
Simon & Garfunkel, 7 O’Clock News / Silent Night, 40 years ago
May 29th, 2007 at 7:14 pmpatrick1 constantly sites his made up statistic “70%” of Americans are in his thought camp but of course can not site any reference because it is made up.
this is what homeschooling is doing, they can’t even utilize basic critical thinking skills or math skills..or science..
these nutjobs want another Inquisition!stone age, here they come!
May 29th, 2007 at 7:17 pm#174 Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
My heart grieved for Cindy Sheehan until she refused to get off poor Casey’s casket and turned it into a podium……
Now why would that be, VV? Because she preached no war and you believe in perpetual war? Because she exposed the war mongers for the hate peddlers they are? Because she is right and you are wrong?
You sidestep the real issue of the wrongness of this invasion and replace it with petty partisanship. That just doesn’t hold water. And regarding your saying that:
“My heart grieved for Cindy Sheehan”
Can you provide statements to that effect that you made here on this board. If you have that proof it would go a long way toward proving you have the heart others here say does not exist.
On the other hand, if you can’t….
I await your verification.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:18 pmgorn, did ya have to remind me? Hard to believe we are back to the future.
and here I foolishly believed we had learned something.
reading your post brought the memories of that day right back.
great post.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:26 pm#190 Comment by gorn by any other name — May 29, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
Simon & Garfunkel, 7 O’Clock News / Silent Night, 40 years ago
Thanks, Gorn, for reminding me of that song! Their Greatest Hits album has it, and the whole album is truly classic. They were truly “wise old men” psychologically though only in their early 20s. An album so full of depth and observation it boggles my mind even today.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:26 pmHEY ERIC!!!
We’re still waiting for you to admit (a) you can’t read; (b) you wrongly criticized TP for not posting a notice about Cindy Sheehan and (c) that you insulted all the “libs” because of a & b.
Where is that apology?
May 29th, 2007 at 7:31 pmHoly Schmoly! Wingnut medications must be encountering major supply problems today. Prices too high? Canadian pharmacies might help…
> I’m all for bombing both Syria and Iran, but only under one condition.
> Warheads are removed, and Kristol is strapped to one bomb, Kagan the other.
Nah. Off to The Fletcher Memorial Home where they can appear to themselves on TV every day.
Rupert “Der Stürmer” Murdoch should meet with them there.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:41 pmI don’t get it. The liberal Dems are traitors for calling for a withdrawal, but there’s nothing wrong with threatening attack? Doesn’t that also tip one’s hand???
Would Kristol & Kagan go about yelling the USA should bomb Beijing and take Hong Kong? Whoa! They’d be hauled before Cheney within the hour if they did.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:48 pm> Would Kristol & Kagan go about yelling the USA should bomb Beijing and take
> Hong Kong? Whoa! They’d be hauled before Cheney within the hour if they did.
That’s right – because Lord Cheney would like to make such pronouncements himself. All in due time, my precious.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:58 pmWhen Kristol said that things in Iraq were turning the corner, he never said exactly what was around the corner, now did he? O.K. then, give him a break.
I mean, the guy is a douche, but it would have been uncivil of him to say that more mayhem, blood, refugees, fatalities, torture and instability are just around the corner.
He was just trying to be nice!
May 29th, 2007 at 7:58 pmHey, you know what? Turns out the US overthrew the democratically-elected leader of Iran back in the 50s! Sure, we forgot here, but they didn’t!
And then after the Islamofascists took over, Ronald Reagan secretly sold them weapons! Plus he sided with the Taliban. And he’s the posterboy of conservative values!
This changes everything. How can I defend the Republicans, now that I know they have aided and abetted the enemy? And really, what else have they done since 2001, if not before — they are helping Osama bin Laden on every front! Recruiting, everything…
I may have to vote for Kucinich now.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:06 pmLooks to be a winning strategy?
May 29th, 2007 at 8:08 pmIn Bassakwardstan maybe…
>> Patrick1
>> This changes everything.
Hey, what’s up? Did you suddenly open a history book or something?
May 29th, 2007 at 8:16 pmNah. Off to The Fletcher Memorial Home where they can appear to themselves on TV every day.
Comment by El Tonno — May 29, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
I’m reminded of the Roger Waters’ title, “Bravery of Being Out of Range”.
Well Kristol and Kragan, may you be THE front line when “all out war” is declared!
May 29th, 2007 at 8:21 pmOtherwise,
STFU!
>> Patrick1
>> This changes everything.
Hey, what’s up? Did you suddenly open a history book or something?
Comment by El Tonno
Namejack. There’s been a lot of that because there are some people who are even more juvenile than trolls and find it vastly amusing.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:22 pmJesus christ…
Comment by Zooey #24
…they killed him too…
May 29th, 2007 at 8:23 pmBill Kristol belongs in the Hague. He’s a traitor to everything our country stands for.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:35 pm“I’m ashamed you’re an American, too.â€
Comment by valiant venus #81
…why?
…YOU’RE CERTAINLY no American…
May 29th, 2007 at 8:36 pmKristol and Kagan get exactly what they want out of saying things like this. Attention. And it’s not like they have anyone in harms way. They’re just heavily invested in Haliburton. The more American deaths, the more they make.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:48 pmBig papa – My birth certificate attests to the fact that I am an American – But if I were not lucky enough to be born here, I would CHOOSE to become an American.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:57 pmThe Neocons like Kristol would have massive orgasms if Bush bombed Iran. They lust for more war and carnage.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:59 pm“We are turning a corner in Iraq.†But May was the deadliest month this year for U.S. soldiers.
dead US soldiers is a sign of progress for all-war-all-the-time neocons.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:04 pm.
…they killed him too…
Comment by big papa
Ouch! :D
May 29th, 2007 at 9:06 pmBut if I were not lucky enough to be born here, I would CHOOSE to become an American.
Comment by valiant venus #209
…why?
…you supporter of:
…TREASON…mass murder…fascism…
…secret Bush/Cheney energy cabal, Halliburton no-bid corruption…
…conflicts of interest and abandonment of ethics in government, Alberto Gonzales…
…bankrupting America with unnecessary illegal invasion and occupation…
…spying/wiretapping on American citizens…
…torture…
…dismantling of habeus corpus and the rule of law…
…among other things…
…YOU’RE a disease infecting America…
…but NOT an American…
May 29th, 2007 at 9:09 pmCan we call them what they are from now on?
They’re Al Qaeda MVPs.
Their ilk has done more to advance Al Qaeda’s cause than the 19 hijackers did.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:09 pmOh, and Reuel Marc Gerecht was pushing this line on NPR’s On Point today.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:11 pmPerhaps we should simply drop Kristol and Kagan on them.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:12 pmNeoCONS ‘R’ SCUM
May 29th, 2007 at 9:55 pmAhhhhh…
…the vapid vagina moronlogue…
…has NO response…
…to a cogent reply (#213)…
…prosecution rests…
May 29th, 2007 at 10:20 pmThese people are friggin insane. God help us all.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:41 pmMerlin- You ask me to prove that I have expressed my sympathy for Cindy Sheehan here at TP, supposedly to demonstrate my heart. I have written on more than one occasion that I have ENORMOUS sympathy for her. I also have tremendous embarrassment for the disservice she does to her dear son’s memory. Casey Sheehan bravely volunteered, not once, but twice to defend the United States his mother cannot stand. Apparently, they had a disagreement on the value of these United States.
Now you ask for proof. Why? I have expressed my feelings about her loss and subsequent behaviour and your opinion of me is of NO concern to me.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:00 pm#145:
I rest my case (made at #139).
May 29th, 2007 at 11:03 pm#213 – Big Pap – - In typical, completely predictable MORONIC fashion you equate a love of the United States with a love for the current administration. To demonstrate how completely ignorant you are, let me assure you I loved the country during the pathetically impotent administration of Jimmy Carter and during the Clinton administration. (Admittedly, I did not have the level of political disagreement with Clinton that I did with Carter.)
In short, the concept of the United States is larger than ONE President.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:13 pm“Congressional battles calling into doubt our commitment to winning in Iraq have been the major threat to progress since the president began pursuing the right strategy in January.â€
… there is a ray of hope in here: the war is so hated by so many americans, democrats and republicans, that they are reduced to blaming congress instread of just the dirty hippies
that’s a good thing
getting the hell out would, of course, be better
May 30th, 2007 at 1:33 amIt’s nice to see that Kristol is still “unencumbered by the constraints of reality.” I’ll just leave it at that
May 30th, 2007 at 1:55 amAll they are asking is, “Give war a chance.”
May 30th, 2007 at 2:37 amHas Mr. Kagen no sense of direction? There are only so many times we can “Turn The Corner” before we are officially GOING IN CIRCLES.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:42 am“This is no time to hedge or hesitate. Now is the time to put everything behind making the president’s strategy–which looks to be a winning strategy–succeed.”
They are setting things up so that when the US finally withdraws, they can blame the anti-war movement as beeing quitters “just as we were about to succeed.”
May 30th, 2007 at 4:35 amCongressional battles calling into doubt our commitment to winning in Iraq have been the major threat to progress
How about
Right-wing rhetoric calling into question our diplomatic efforts as “fantasy diplomatic solutions” to the war are the major threat to a real, lasting solution to our bogged-down efforts against the insurgency
instead?
May 30th, 2007 at 6:47 amThings are going from bad to bloody worse as far as the whole region is concerned. Is there no end to the insane ’shit stirring’ of this US maladministration?
UPDATE* – Turkish Tanks Trundle Toward Iraq Border …
May 30th, 2007 at 6:56 amWell, Darn. Kristol and Kagan have proven to be unamerican child killers. I think the only sane thing a good american can do is track them down on the streets of NY and make sure they never raise their anti-american spewage again. Goose, Gander. If the US should be out pummeling anyone who might pose a threat in the distant future, then what are we letting Kagan and Kristol run around free for? Get them!
May 30th, 2007 at 9:27 amKagan and Kristol. Those two boyz are not too old to be on the front line. Give em’ their very on Hummer, not uparmored of course, and send em out on patrol in Anbar or Baghdad. Send Barbara and Jenna with em for company! it won’t be half bad, on the road to Iran there…
May 31st, 2007 at 1:45 pmtime to kill all the nation wrecking jews in the former america yet?..if not now, when……..if not us, who
May 31st, 2007 at 7:30 pmWar is a racket, and if you believe in all the BS reasons to support state sponsored death then you support murder. Please wingers, go to the ME and walk the talk.
May 31st, 2007 at 8:14 pmSAVE THE EARTH
May 31st, 2007 at 8:40 pmNUKE ISRAEL!!!
NEO-CON AGENDA
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June 1st, 2007 at 8:20 amsome comments by the insular apologist patriots prove my point
June 1st, 2007 at 1:57 pmyour nation is responsible for alot of death and can kiss my ass!
Only the most ignorant would believe that the over hyped “al Queda ” is bent on the destruction of the West—not possible in any military, economic way.——-This kind of thinking is for sheep who cannot reason, read little and think Creationism junk science is valid!
America own up to your ugly history or bury your collective obese heads!!!
June 1st, 2007 at 1:59 pmKagan and Kristol are zionist shills and betrayers of the U.S.
June 3rd, 2007 at 12:44 amL