ThinkFast: May 29, 2007
ThinkFast: May 29, 2007
Eight U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq on Memorial Day yesterday, “making May the deadliest month of the year for U.S. troops in Iraq.”
“Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has withdrawn his name from consideration for World Bank president.” Former Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick has emerged as the frontrunner to replace Paul Wolfowitz.
Even though “major Hispanic groups broke with other civil rights organizations and supported Alberto R. Gonzales’s nomination for attorney general” two years ago, those same groups are now calling for his resignation. Janet Murguia, head of the National Council of La Raza, called Gonzales “a follower, not a leader.”
Announcing new economic sanctions against Sudan’s government, President Bush this morning called the bloodshed in Darfur a “genocide.” Last month, Bush’s Sudan ambassador Andrew Natsios resisted that label. The administration’s measures are considered “too weak and too unilateral to significantly alter the calculations of the government of Sudan.”
War critic Cindy Sheehan, who rose to prominence when she camped outside Bush’s Crawford ranch in August 2005 to seek an explanation for her son’s death, wrote in a diary entry on DailyKos yesterday: “This is my resignation letter as the ‘face’ of the American anti-war movement. … I am going to take whatever I have left, and go home. I am going to go home and be a mother to my surviving children, and try to regain some of what I have lost.”
Climate change is a global problem that requires unity and “multilateral” agreements if it is to be defeated, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Tuesday. On Monday, Pelosi led a congressional delegation to Greenland, where lawmakers saw “firsthand evidence that climate change is a reality.” (The Gavel has photos of the trip.)
A USA Today analysis finds that the federal government “recorded a $1.3 trillion loss last year — far more than the official $248 billion deficit — when corporate-style accounting standards are used.” Every U.S. household owes an amount roughly equal to $516,348.
And finally: Summer’s here! CNN’s Ed Henry said he’s excited because he gets to finally “take my children to Disneyland in Anaheim as well as LEGOLAND.” An “anonymous” political editor said that House Minority Leader Rep. John Boehner’s (R-OH) year-long tan will begin to “blend in with everyone else.” An unnamed Republican Senate staffer added that summer “means the heat causes John McCain to become more irritable.”
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Democrat BRAGS about deceiving us on Iraq Funding Vote
“…Party leaders jury-rigged the votes yesterday to give all Democrats something to brag about…Democrats saw brilliance in the legerdemain. And with such contortions came more appreciation for the efforts Pelosi was making to fund the war in a fashion most palatable to angry Democrats. ‘It was the responsible thing to do, and she’s a responsible speaker,’ said Rep. Anna G. Eshoo (D-Calif.).â€
What is Eshoo talking about? Here’s an explanation from the Associated Press:
“In a highly unusual maneuver, House Democratic leaders crafted a procedure that allowed their rank and file to oppose money for the war, then step aside so Republicans could advance it.â€
Now from the Washington Post:
“Yesterday’s vote to fund the war through September was a historical rarity: the passage of a bill opposed by the speaker of the House and a majority of the speaker’s party….’To have the chairman and the speaker vote against a bill like this, I’ve never heard of it,’ Hastert said.”
If Denny Hastert never heard of a con like this then Pelosi truly deserves our admiration!
(If you want to contact Anna Eshoo and let her have it her number is 1-202-225-8104. Apparently she thinks that we independent/liberals are stupid braindead followers who can’t read or think independently.)
This is what we’re dealing with folks. A party that runs to the press to brag about the brilliance of using their majority not to end the war, but to create a situation that makes it seem as if they oppose the war, while actually helping Republicans continue it. (much of this post taken from david sirota dot com)
May 29th, 2007 at 9:20 am“Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has withdrawn his name from consideration for World Bank president.â€
So he can be America’s new War Czar?
I guess it would take someone as stupid as Frist to take a job with a name as stupid as he is.
War Czar, indeed. WTF? Are we now idolizing Russia’s tired, old names to justify war?
‘Profit before People’, the new Bush mantra.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:25 amI put this on the other thread by mistake I pressed submit. These links fit better on this thread. For a moment let’s take a look at a different war that is happening a lot closer to home!
HAVE A LOOK: http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=UBONmdeRvpM&mode=related&search=
HAVE ANOTHER LOOK: http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=2bOeixtHNsk&mode=related&search=
THE INVASION: http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=6uhua9tnZNo&mode=related&search=
Looks like they want a “race war†!!
FOR DEEPER UNDERSTANDIG: http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=ydJ8LrPmSf4&mode=related&search=
THE FACIAL TATOOS HELP
They seem like nice people. I wonder how many of you would invite them to your home??
May 29th, 2007 at 9:26 am“Every U.S. household owes an amount roughly equal to $516,348.”
Thanks, in large part, to the inability of Republicans to balance the budget.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:27 amWesterners seized
Meanwhile, armed men wearing police uniforms abducted at least three Western lecturers and several of their foreign bodyguards from a finance ministry building in central Baghdad on Tuesday, a witness said.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:33 amSend them ALL home packing:
Records: Senators who OK’d war didn’t read key report
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/28/clinton.iraq/index.html
May 29th, 2007 at 9:35 amE natsios is the same fool that told Koppel that the war in Iraq would cost the US not more than 1 billion and that that cost would be covered by the oil revenues from the new Iraq. So, if that is the sourcing then what does anyone expect ?
May 29th, 2007 at 9:35 am#5 Wow, Saywho. It is hard to find words that do justice to your comment. Thoughtful. Subtle. Urbane. Erudite. Rooted in reality. All of these things and more.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:37 amComment by Tobey Tall — May 29, 2007 @ 9:33 am
and this makes you happy?
May 29th, 2007 at 9:37 am3464
Westerners seized
3 german lecturers
+ several British body guards
The witness said the armed men, led by a police major, entered the conference room shouting, “Where are the foreigners, where are the foreigners?”
A fourth lecturer escaped being abducted because he was sitting apart from his colleagues.
Police said about 40 armed men sealed off streets around the three-storey computer science building belonging to the finance ministry before they went inside.
The British embassy declined immediate comment on media reports that the bodyguards were British.
I dare say the germans will be released as for the british get the chopping boards out
May 29th, 2007 at 9:38 am“Every U.S. household owes an amount roughly equal to $516,348.â€
Thanks, in large part, to the inability of Republicans to balance the budget.
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — May 29, 2007 @ 9:27 am
I thought it was more than that?? Regardless, say it comes down to each household paying that down @ $1000.00 each year…
It would be paid off in only 516.3 years! Now they want the $2.4 TRILLION amnesty plan put into motion.
Has anyone else come to the conclusion that the economy is going to collapse?
May 29th, 2007 at 9:38 amEven though “major Hispanic groups broke with other civil rights organizations and supported Alberto R. Gonzales’s nomination for attorney general†two years ago, those same groups are now calling for his resignation. Janet Murguia, head of the National Council of La Raza, called Gonzales “a follower, not a leader.â€
Well they supported him before because of his race only. Pretty sad, we need to be looking at people as individuals. Wether you say I fully support him because he is Hispanic or I won’t hire him because he is Hispanic, you are supporting a racist position.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:41 amTwo Task Force Lightning Soldiers were killed when a helicopter went down in Diyala Province, May 28. The incident is under investigation.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:41 am“Every U.S. household owes an amount roughly equal to $516,348.â€
and evey Iraqi has 1 million dollars in Oil rights EACH coming to them
May 29th, 2007 at 9:43 amI am sad to read that Cindy Sheehan has given up the fight. But, I certainly understand why she is doing it. There is just so long you can hit your head against a wall and come up bloody before you realize the futility of your actions.
But, I give a lot of credit to Cindy for America awakening from it’s long apathetic sleep in 2006. So, to Cindy Sheehan, my heartfelt thanks for all you have done for this nation and god speed in picking up your life with your family.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:45 am#16 ~ Sheehan didn’t give up the fight. The Congressional Democrats did. They’ll understand when the campaign money is gone in 2008.
And…
“The time has come for universal, affordable health care in America,” Obama said in remarks prepared for delivery at the unveiling of his plan Tuesday in Iowa City.
…makes me very glad that the SS is keeping Obama safe.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:51 am16 / I TOO am sad to read that Cindy Sheehan has given up the fight. But, I certainly understand why she is doing it. There is just so long you can hit your head against a wall and come up bloody before you realize the futility of your actions.
I remember what I was told by an American I was having a go at on a train 20 years ago
America has the power to F+ck You
America has the money to F+ck You
and if America dont F+ck you , you will only F+ck yourself
its getting harder to keep your sanity these days – Cindy you will always be in my heart – Love and Miss you dearly
May 29th, 2007 at 9:52 am“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”
May 29th, 2007 at 9:53 amFive people believed to be British security guards and their British client have reportedly been kidnapped in Baghdad.
get the Onions out and chopping boards
May 29th, 2007 at 9:54 amThank you Cindy Sheehan. You deserve time off to be with your family.
When nobody else would challenge Bush on the war in Iraq Cindy Sheehan was the sole voice to be heard on the national stage. The nation owes Cindy Sheehan its gratitude and thanks. She certainly has mine.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:55 amNot only did Sheehan fight to exhaustion, she had to work against the Compassionate Christian Conservative shit storm that was directed towards her for her efforts.
Hey Cindy, take some time off and get your life back. Some of us know how hard the last couple of years must have been on you.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:56 amFive people believed to be British security guards and their British client have reportedly been kidnapped in Baghdad.
MEANWHILE TODAY
The Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, is facing accusations that he told the Army its soldiers were not bound by the Human Rights Act when arresting, detaining and interrogating Iraqi prisoners.
Previously confidential emails, seen by The Independent, between London and British military head-quarters in Iraq soon after the start of the war suggest Lord Goldsmith’s advice was to adopt a “pragmatic” approach when handling prisoners and it was not necessary to follow the ” higher standards” of the protection of the Human Rights Act.
http://www.independent.co.uk/
what comes around goes around thats why its important to stick to the rules of engagment
May 29th, 2007 at 10:02 am#5 Wow, Saywho. It is hard to find words that do justice to your comment. Thoughtful. Subtle. Urbane. Erudite. Rooted in reality. All of these things and more.
Comment by VerbalKint — May 29, 2007 @ 9:37 am
huh… i’m not sure what YOU were looking at, ’cause i could not get anything to happen with those links…
or, was that your point?
May 29th, 2007 at 10:02 am…
Saywho-If you put up posts that were LINKED CORRECTLY, i might be able to check out whatever the heck it is you are talking about!!!
May 29th, 2007 at 10:02 amdont worry cindy, of course since you spoke out against the war and was labeled unpatriotic by the temper tantrum throwing rednecks of america, who gives a sh*t what those losers think. you stood up and spoke out for what you believed in and it still holds truth today. dont feel bad for abandoning the demos, america has done the same too….. all govt is evil in the peoples eyes. they can do no RIGHT.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:05 amSpeaking of Iraq…
Not sure if everyone is aware of this.
There is a group of bipartisan senators who are sponsoring what is called the “Iraq Study Group Recommendations Implementation Act†to be introduced next month.
Lamar Alexander, one of the (R) supporters of the act, said this in our local paper recently:
The measure, according to the latest info on Alexander’s web site, has the support of 4 Dems and 4 Repubs.
The only thing that bothers me is this policy statement listed in the act:
· Setting conditions that could lead to redeployment of United States combat brigades not needed for force protection as early as the first quarter of 2008 if diplomatic, infrastructure and security benchmarks are met.
Alexander says the act sets benchmarks for the Iraqis to meet in exchange for continued support. Maybe I’m wrong, but the above, however, doesn’t seem to reflect this. We’re going to redeploy IF the benchmarks are met? Seems to be counterproductive. It’s nice that we could redeploy if the benchmarks are met, but as we’ve been saying for quite some time now, what if they are NOT met? I’m trying to access the PDF of the legislation to get more info but it is so damned slow it may be awhile.
Oh, and Alexander said this, too: “We need a political solution in Washington, DC, as much as we need one in Baghdad.”
Bush would disagree. Is Alexander another Repub who is breaking ranks with the Prez??
May 29th, 2007 at 10:06 amCindy’s a real hero. She turned the tide against Bush.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:11 am#5 Wow, Saywho. It is hard to find words that do justice to your comment. Thoughtful. Subtle. Urbane. Erudite. Rooted in reality. All of these things and more.
Comment by VerbalKint — May 29, 2007 @ 9:37 am
huh… i’m not sure what YOU were looking at, ’cause i could not get anything to happen with those links…
or, was that your point?
…
Comment by katy — May 29, 2007 @ 10:02 am
Saywho-If you put up posts that were LINKED CORRECTLY, i might be able to check out whatever the heck it is you are talking about!!!
Comment by whiteyfresh — May 29, 2007 @ 10:02 am
Sorry about that I will fix the post and re-post it!
May 29th, 2007 at 10:12 amClimate change is a global problem that requires unity and “multilateral†agreements if it is to be defeated, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Tuesday. On Monday, Pelosi led a congressional delegation to Greenland, where lawmakers saw “firsthand evidence that climate change is a reality.†(The Gavel has photos of the trip.)
Yes, and there’s this in today’s New York Times. Obama supports this idea:
WASHINGTON, May 28 — Even as Congressional leaders draft legislation to reduce greenhouse gases linked to global warming, a powerful roster of Democrats and Republicans is pushing to subsidize coal as the king of alternative fuels.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/29/business/29coal.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
May 29th, 2007 at 10:13 amOn topic poll about Cindy at cnn.com
May 29th, 2007 at 10:19 amCindy Sheehan didn’t hide behind a computer or bury her head in the sand. She was out in the open showing her pain and frustration. Like her or not, that was a difficult thing to do.
Thank you Cindy.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:20 am“This is my resignation letter as the ‘face’ of the American anti-war movement. … I am going to take whatever I have left, and go home. I am going to go home and be a mother to my surviving children, and try to regain some of what I have lost.â€
Thank you Cindy, for doing your best to wake up this sleeping country. Your son would be so proud of you.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:20 amJanet Murguia, head of the National Council of La Raza, called Gonzales “a follower, not a leader.â€
Exactly. That’s why he got the job!
May 29th, 2007 at 10:21 amSaywho-If you put up posts that were LINKED CORRECTLY, i(SIC) might be able to check out whatever the heck it is you are talking about!!!
Comment by whiteyfresh — May 29, 2007 @ 10:02 am
You post here too and know there is no way to edit a post gone wrong. Maybe you could just post in a more toned down way that the links don’t work? I believe that this post should be functional.
HAVE A LOOK: Here is the invasion… (Links fixed I think!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBONmdeRvpM&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bOeixtHNsk&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uhua9tnZNo&mode=related&search=
FOR DEEPER UNDERSTANDIG: Here are our new citizens (lovely tattoos on the face)…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydJ8LrPmSf4&mode=related&search=
They seem like nice people. I wonder how many of you would invite them to your home.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:22 amOn topic poll about Cindy at cnn.com
Comment by IdahoMoe
Thanks, Moe. So far, the votes are saying “yes.”
May 29th, 2007 at 10:26 ami am totally understanding of cindy’s “retirement”…
i’m also fairly sure that she will not completely go away from the fight…
just a hunch… it’s become so much a part of her now…
but, i do regret, more that ever, not stopping by to meet her and join her, even for a very short time, while she was in crawford in nov.05… i was driving back to illinois, my daughter was not in the mood… it would have been good for her also… hindsight…
thanks for all you’ve done, cindy… and i can’t imagine we’ve heard the last from you! … looking forward…
May 29th, 2007 at 10:28 am…
Re: Cindy – this post neglected to mention that Cindy Sheehan specifically cited attacks against her posted by the Democratic Underground website as a reason for her decision.
As an antiwar poster, I myself was attacked on that site and banned from posting because of my insistance on pointing out that Hillary voted to authorize the Iraq War crime.
Way to go DU, you bunch of warmongering sellouts.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:30 amFOR DEEPER UNDERSTANDIG: Here are our new citizens (lovely tattoos on the face)…(corrected link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Ovem7fdjQ&mode=related&search=
Pop that cranium bro!
May 29th, 2007 at 10:35 amCindy Sheehan didn’t hide behind a computer or bury her head in the sand. She was out in the open showing her pain and frustration. Like her or not, that was a difficult thing to do.
Thank you Cindy.
Comment by hellinabucket — May 29, 2007 @ 10:20 am
All of this at the cost of her marriage and her relationship with her other children.
Casey would be so proud that she truned her back on the rest of her family.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:37 amI grieve for Cindy’s Sheehan’s loss. A long time ago, I got the point she HATES GWB and that her dear son “died for nothing”. However, I was surprised it took her so long to wake up to the fact that she was being used by the Left and the pompous egos of the “selfless” anti-war movement……
May 29th, 2007 at 10:38 amWell, I thought Cindy Sheehan’s resignation letter was a beautiful Jeremiad directed at a Generation of Vipers. And it’s fitting that she delivered it on Memorial Day.
My visits to America have always left me uncomfortable. The Stars & Stripes flutter everywhere –as if the people didn’t know what country they lived in and needed constant reminders. Every news story, every history book, every political & religious speech one hears puts America in a favorable light as the Promised Land, the New Jerusalem, the Great Experiment, the Beacon to the World. I have never met so many self-satisfied and overly proud people in my life as I have just sitting down in an American diner.
And yet, Americans are insecure. They fear they’re not too bright and they have no culture. They don’t know much about history and they prefer comfort food and addictive pleasures to improve their low self-esteem. And they’re Armed Forces –many times larger than they would ever need for purely defensive purposes– is overcompensating for the fact that American goods & services are second-rate and need to be forced onto the world market.
Soldiers are asked to die for their country. But what is America? It’s not a country. It’s a nation of carpetbaggers. It’s a vast trailer park of transient people with nothing to hold them to the land. Genealogy is a current obsession, but the Roots all lead elsewhere. The American soldier who dies in Iraq has died for WHAT??? Freedom, Democracy, Earmarks, Tax Cuts, Globalization, Laissez-faire Capitalism??? Abstract words and political economic fads!!! They died for NOTHING but the wind howling.
Cindy sounds like she’s broken by her revelation. It is sad to realize that all those “Americans” one thought were THE PEOPLE turn out to be nothing but Carpetbaggers passing through town. The Rich are making a beeline to Panama and other tax havens. To the Carpetbagger a Land is something that can be bought, sold, developed, converted, or consumed. It is not the Homeland. It is not part of a Carpetbagger’s soul.
Cindy Sheehan learned the sad Truth about America. It is not a Nation any more. It is a trailer park of Carpetbaggers working on the next deal. And that is reason to mourn.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:41 amDon’t blame you Cindy. Many of us now see all the DINO’s for what they are, just never knew there were so many. Looks like Hillreh is a shoe-in for Corp. Prez of Amerika and any change in Amerika will be cosmetic anyway. Go take care of your children. You did enough.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:42 amKate Henry:
Regarding Sheehan, this is quoted in Actes and Monuments by John Foxe:
Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle, by God’s grace, in England, as I trust shall never be put out.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:44 amGodspeed Cindy
May 29th, 2007 at 10:45 amIllegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a new report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population.
The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics, Cutler contends, debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. “Then we even have another problem,” he adds, “and that’s the Visa Waiver Program.”
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/02/more_americans_killed_by_illeg.php
So, this is in fact an armed invasion!
May 29th, 2007 at 10:45 amBe of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle, by God’s grace, in England, as I trust shall never be put out.
Comment by Juan C
Very fitting, Juan.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:47 amComment by david — May 29, 2007 @ 10:41 am
Wow gee thanks David. You visited America a couple times and your high powered perception of all Americans just took over huh? Must be rough being so intune with your surroundings that you can generally categorize people so easily.
In my world traveling the only real thing I learned is that there are many sorts of people all over, oh yeah and real broad strokes are bad.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:49 amre: saywho’s videos…
i am most curious about who/what was marching in the street that the “immigrants” were so angry and yelling at…
seems to be a very important piece of information left out…
but, mostly, after reading saywho’s posts here, i take most of those comments with a huge grain of salt – there is no one MORE paranoid
and negative than saywho…
i sure hope it doesn’t catch on…
May 29th, 2007 at 10:50 amstay positive and look forward, people…
…
Off Topic:
I’d say the passing of the war funding without timelines for withdrawl seriously signals the end of our democracy.
We are under control of the corporate war machine in their quest to secure the very last of the planet’s oil supply.
They took control of the richest country with the worlds most powerful military in order to get it done.
Their plans to attack Iran are a sure sign.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:51 amJuan,
what is you take on Chavez right now?
May 29th, 2007 at 10:51 amAnd it’s fitting that she delivered it on Memorial Day.
Yeah well, as per usual she took a day that really needed to be about others and made it about her. Memorial Day is supposed to be a day to reflect on the sacrifices of soldiers who have died (Such as Casey).
Cindy took that day to redirect all that energy from those thoughts and push them to her “Poor me, I lost my family”. “Don’t think about Casey right now on Memorial Day, think about the evil Democratic party”.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:54 am#42 RIGHT ON david
May 29th, 2007 at 10:54 amFormer gang member Brenda Paz said that MS-13 is well structured, with multiple leaders, and that the gang’s goal was to become the top gang in the United States.
These nice fellows will become solid upstanding citizens and will mesh well with our children in school!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CDQdF9ddoI&mode=related&search=
May 29th, 2007 at 10:55 amCindy took that day to redirect all that energy from those thoughts and push them to her “Poor me, I lost my familyâ€. “Don’t think about Casey right now on Memorial Day, think about the evil Democratic partyâ€.
Comment by Tundra
Yes, she took so much energy away from Memorial Day that she didn’t make CNN or TP until today.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:00 amsorry Saywho… :(
I’ll try to not hurt your feelings anymore. I’ll be just like Jimmy Carter.
On the plus, the post office flag thing is kind of disturbing(what with it being a federal US building), and did you see the checkered jams that guy had on in the 1st clip? those were sweeeet.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:01 amFormer Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has withdrawn his name from consideration for World Bank president.†Former Deputy Secretary of State Robert Zoellick has emerged as the frontrunner to replace Paul Wolfowitz.
Frist knew he couldn’t withstand the same type of scrutiny Wolfie got.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:02 amCindy Sheehan is the weakest link. Goodbye!
May 29th, 2007 at 11:02 amAn “anonymous†political editor said that House Minority Leader Rep. John Boehner’s (R-OH) year-long tan will begin to “blend in with everyone else.†An unnamed Republican Senate staffer added that summer “means the heat causes John McCain to become more irritable.â€
Boner more tan, and McCain more irritable — imagine that…
May 29th, 2007 at 11:03 amwhat is you take on Chavez right now?
Comment by hacker bob
As it has always been. A populist military-fond president.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:03 amIt would be paid off in only 516.3 years! Now they want the $2.4 TRILLION amnesty plan put into motion.
Who’s ‘they’? You Dimocrats control Congress!
May 29th, 2007 at 11:03 am#42 – Dear David – Thank you your “sophisticated” criticism of the United States. Your tiny treatise makes me that much more grateful that my long ago and recent ancestors had the guts to get on a boat and get here. If, however, you were as asute and intelligent as you pose, you might understand the poor schmucks who left every country on the planet to get here – whether voluntarily or unvoluntarily – had a fire in their bellies to leave behind the stagnation and/or oppression of their former homelands.
And while your snobbery and “etiquette” might be better than ours – your manners certainly are worse. When you consider the number of people who live on the planet today who OWE their freedom to the United States, a simple “thank you” would do. I recall the valiant fight of the British, but they needed America to pull their bacon out of the fire. Don’t get me started on the rest of “the Continent” – dogs roll over and play dead almost as well……
May 29th, 2007 at 11:06 am…speaking of BONER…
i was probably away when any threads or posts of his crying jag
came up here at TP…
but, am i alone in thinking that the man was sloshed that day???
only a drunk would cry like that, so unable to pronounce his words and
get a grip on the situation…
he was totally drunk… i know that kind…
May 29th, 2007 at 11:08 ami know what i was seeing and hearing…
…
I would be curious what someone with national stature thinks of Hugo Chavez…..say Robert Kennedy, Jr.. Kennedy couldn’t praise Chavez enough for the “free heating oil” – - Looks like the cost was more than poor Bob, Jr. could grasp………
May 29th, 2007 at 11:09 amVery fitting, Juan.
Comment by Zooey
*bowing* Im happy that you like it.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:09 am42 well said david
May 29th, 2007 at 11:10 amJuan,
I can see that he is really looking out for the people by ensuring that the only media they have is state run. Silencing any and all opposition is so good for them.
He is the corrupt elite.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:12 am#50 Keith H., You are not off-topic. You’re throwing a bullseye.
On May 24 2007 America officially became a Fascist Country.
70% of the Citizens wanted an end to the Iraq occupation.
Big Oil and the Military Industrial Complex wanted it to continue.
The Government aligned itself with Big Oil and the Military Industrial Complex ignoring the will of the people.
Its now impossible to separate Government from Big Oil and the Military Industrial Complex, they are one and the same.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:12 amDavid, great post.
Although I disagree with some parts.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:13 amHe is the corrupt elite.
Comment by hacker bob
Yeah, but it is no different than a corporate-run media. It is exactly the same thing. There is no voice of opposition in either case. One is control by the government, as in Cuba and the other is run by corporations, for example, Mexico.
In his defense, that network worked with people that prepared several coups against him.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:16 amre: saywho’s videos…
i am most curious about who/what was marching in the street that the “immigrants†were so angry and yelling at…
seems to be a very important piece of information left out…
but, mostly, after reading saywho’s posts here, i take most of those comments with a huge grain of salt – there is no one MORE paranoid
and negative than saywho…
i sure hope it doesn’t catch on…
stay positive and look forward, people…
…
Comment by katy — May 29, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Katy your entire reply/post is an ad hominem argument. State or show some facts. “You think†or “are suspicious†or “take it with a grain of salt†says nothing and combined with ad hominem remarks about things that, on your part constitute assumptions. Immigrants don’t wear ski-masks in LA (to hot). Immigrants don’t tread on the US flag (they want to be citizens). Invaders and terrorists do those things though.
Several citizens have been arrested for flying their US flags upside down at their homes in protest against the war but nothing happens to masked terrorists marching down our streets with upside down flags. The upside down flag represents a distress signal by the way. I don’t even need to comment on the American flag being replaced with the Mexican flag in Maywood at the local post office.
Post some more ad hominem disinformation katy!
May 29th, 2007 at 11:19 amWhen Sheehan first took on Bush, she was a darling of the liberal left. “However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the ‘left’ started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used,” she wrote in the diary.
She said she sacrificed a 29-year marriage and endured threats to put all her energy into stopping the war. What she found, she wrote, was a movement “that often puts personal egos above peace and human life.”
May 29th, 2007 at 11:24 amJuan,
Why would anyone want to (allegedly) organize a coups against someone that has given themselves dictoral powers, silence opposition, while keeping 40+%of the population in poverty?
Doesn’t look like the citizens of Venezula are too happy right now. But I guess Chavez taking their freedoms is in their better interests.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:24 amPost some more ad hominem disinformation katy!
Comment by Saywho
Your videos left a lot to be desired in the “fact” and actual “information” department.
I guess katy has some nerve questioning you….
May 29th, 2007 at 11:25 amWhy would anyone want to (allegedly) organize a coups against someone that has given themselves dictoral powers, silence opposition, while keeping 40+%of the population in poverty?
Comment by hacker bob
You should ask your government. Venezuela is part of that brilliant classification named the “axis of evil”. Linneo would be proud.
Doesn’t look like the citizens of Venezula are too happy right now. But I guess Chavez taking their freedoms is in their better interests.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:30 amWell, how are the ratings of GWB? You care too much about other countries, Bob. When Venezuela invades another country for no good reason, I will be there with you. So far, Chavez is a comical character who makes propaganda for himself while population lives in oblivion. Although I must say that, by a Venezuelan words, he is doing good things in terms of education and health care. He is terribly wrong in supressing dissenting voices, though.
#51 Bob, My personal Opinion of Chavez is that he is the leader of Venezuela. Venezuela is not the united states therefore we should not have a say in how they govern themselves. We support some very harsh evil dictators (I’m looking at you Saudi Arabia) who are far worse to their own citizens and who have done more physical an economic damage to the US (I’m still looking at you S.A.) than Venezuela has. Simply not liking how their country is run by their people is not a reason to shun and automatically become their opponents. If I were in charge of our country I would always keep the doors open to Venezuela and if I did not like a policy I would apply subtle pressure. Subtle pressure because the consequences of doing nothing can be catastrophic (Still thinking of the Saudi’s) and the consequences of going 100% adversarial do no good for our nation either, (think Cuba, this has been a lose-lose situation since day one.)
May 29th, 2007 at 11:31 amLarry from C. The founding fathers made this a representative republic and not a strick democracy for a reason. So representatives with access to the whole story can make informed decisions, rather than relying on an ill-informed, flighty public that can be swayed by selective sound bites to short-sighted conclusions.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:32 am#72 Captain…“However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the ‘left’ started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used,â€
If anyone read my post (#1) you’ll understand why this happened. The Dems played us for fools.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:33 amIt’s interesting that Bush is the enemy of Chavez. Chavez characterizes him as the devil. Maybe Chavez doesn’t like Bush for the same reason terrorists don’t like Bush. He promotes freedom. The kinds of freedom for everyone that theatens the likes of Chavez and Islamic Extremists.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:35 amIt would be paid off in only 516.3 years! Now they want the $2.4 TRILLION amnesty plan put into motion.
Who’s ‘they’? You Dimocrats control Congress!
Comment by m12 — May 29, 2007 @ 11:03 am
You should look at my posts m12. “They” are not Dems or Repubs but in fact traitors to the Constitution. These criminals pose as concerned citizens while pretending to be in one party or the other. If you read my posts you will see that my opinion is that we are well past the point of debating. We are in fact living in a feudal (dictatorship) system and talk is cheap. Most here believe that the votes are fixed anyway and in reality both parties are corrupted. So to this I say that “THEY†consist of the trick pony show called “Congress!â€
May 29th, 2007 at 11:37 am#77 Captain, The Congresspeople are in office to reflect the will of their constitutients PERIOD. I made many phone calls to reps in the past week and found they know LESS than me! Even the ill-informed masses have been ahead of the politicians on withdrawal of our troops. My post (#1) provides the proof of my arguement. The full story can be found on DavidSirota dot com. It should be the top story on every Progressive Site today…The Dems played us for fools and Duped Us! The vote on Iraq funding was pre-calculated to minimize our anger.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:39 amHe promotes freedom.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Damn. We were having such a nice discussion until the propaganda patrol came.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:41 amDamn. We were having such a nice discussion until the propaganda patrol came.
Comment by Juan C
I’ve given up on the Captain. He claims to be a libertarian, but he’s really a sheep.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:46 amComment by Juan C — May 29, 2007 @ 11:30 am
So, as long as he takes care of their every need, it is ok? They will get health care and an education for what purpose? Certainly not personal empowerment or the opportunity to capitalize on it as an individual.
My “concern” is that while many would like to sit and claim that we (the US) are a Dictatorship, all they have to do is look south to see a Dictatorship in action. GWB has crappy ratings, so does Congress. There is recourse with GWB, it is called impeachment, but the elected officials have seen fit to not exercise that option. There are also term limits. What is the recourse for Chavez? How do you remove him from his lifetime appointment?
Many (not necessarily you) have tried to paint Chaves as a benevolent Dictator. If so, why
killsilence the opposition?And as for me being too concerned with other countries, it is no different than you concern for events in the US.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:46 amYour videos left a lot to be desired in the “fact†and actual “information†department.
I guess katy has some nerve questioning you….
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 11:25 am
Zooey,
May 29th, 2007 at 11:47 amYour quoted reply above is ad hominem since you don’t mention what facts or information may be lacking. You then make a “guess” and mention at least one person that you have no knowledge. Beyond that those clips are not mine or a possession of mine so that is misinformation on your part.
Yes, she took so much energy away from Memorial Day that she didn’t make CNN or TP until today.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 11:00 am
Ummm I saw it on CNN.com yesterday Zoo
May 29th, 2007 at 11:50 amLarry from C. Your posts are thoughtful. I agree that progressives were duped. It could happen to me and conservatives, too. I just believe that the effort in Iraq was supported by the leadership (both R and D) in the runup to war, and believe it or not, is support by both parties now. Because, after 9/11 and the rise of fundamentalist Islamic extremist influence, the war on terror and the war in Iraq as a front on the war on terror, is the best of many bad options on how to deal with the changing situation in today’s middle east. Politicians on both sides are playing politics with the issue. But, in the end, if you want to know what your representatives believe is best for the country, watch how they vote. Profiteering or oil grab, makes for great conspiracy. If they are a factor at all they are very secondary. What so few believe, is that we are in an ideological war with real threats to our liberty. Address it now or face a more challenging situation in the future.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:52 amZooey,
Your quoted reply above is ad hominem….
Comment by Saywho
Ok, I can live with that.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:54 amUmmm I saw it on CNN.com yesterday Zoo
Comment by Tundra
Ok. I didn’t.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:54 ammorning my Princess of Progress!!!!
you’ve been spot on in a lot of your posts today.
I hope you had a wonderful Memorial day.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:59 amad hominem…saywho loves that word….
May 29th, 2007 at 12:01 pmmmmmmmm..ad hominem grits……
hacker bob. that was a pretty good post.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:02 pm“ad hominem” … oooh! boogga boogga!
i posted opinion, saywho, and will continue to do so…
May 29th, 2007 at 12:02 pmthanks for your “permission”… … as if…
…
If I was her I would take it as a personal attack when someone called my posts ad hominem.
Just sayin
May 29th, 2007 at 12:04 pmLooks like John Kerry didn’t care much about the moonbats back in 2002.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/inpolitics.htm
Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, voted for the Iraq war resolution in 2002 after weighing the political ramifications and being told by his future campaign manager that he would never be elected president in 2004 unless he sided with President Bush on the issue, according to a forthcoming book by Mr. Kerry’s former strategist.
The book by veteran Democratic Party strategist Robert Shrum, titled “No Excuses,” paints a portrait of an often-dysfunctional Kerry presidential campaign in which senior strategists clashed with each other, the Boston Globe reports.
Mr. Shrum provides a vivid description of events leading up to Mr. Kerry’s decision to vote for the war.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:04 pmHe writes that Mr. Kerry telephoned him on the eve of the Oct. 11, 2002, vote. Mr. Shrum said that Mr. Kerry was skeptical of Mr. Bush’s claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that he “didn’t trust Bush to give the diplomatic route a real chance.” Nonetheless, Mr. Kerry asked Mr. Shrum whether he would “be a viable general election candidate if he was in the small minority of senators who voted no.”
Mr. Shrum wrote that he told Mr. Kerry that it was “impossible to predict the political fallout if we went to war.” But he wrote that Jim Jordan, Mr. Kerry’s former Senate press secretary and future campaign manager, “was insisting that he had to vote with Bush.”
Mr. Shrum wrote that Mr. Jordan had “hammered” Mr. Kerry with a warning: “Go ahead and vote against it if you want, but you’ll never be president of the United States.” Mr. Kerry voted for the war resolution, and Mr. Jordan became Mr. Kerry’s campaign manager three months later.
Many (not necessarily you) have tried to paint Chaves as a benevolent Dictator. If so, why kill silence the opposition?
Comment by hacker bob
Who, exactly? Chavez would be completely discredited by its own people if the US didnt pressure Venezuela. Same as Cuba. You wanna see Castro absolutely discredited? End the embargo. The same pattern has been shown over and over and over.
When a country decides not to buy US stuff, US decides that that country is communist (nowadays is terrorist supporter, I think) and therefore a great danger to the, lets say, the hemisphere. US harrases that country, of course, the little, defenseless ones, like Nicaragua and that country, pressured by the superpower seeks to arm itself. That destroys population freedoms, of course, it becomes a repressive regime and spend all money intended to social programs in weapons. Living standards fall dramatically and then the population revolts against their leaders…this is such a common feature of US foreign policy, in Central America that Im sure you know this. Same with Chavez, he becomes as repressive as US exerts pressure on his regime. The difference is that he has a say in the oil prices, so…it is harder to defeat him.
And as for me being too concerned with other countries, it is no different than you concern for events in the US.
I was sure you would play that card. Well, buddy, whenever your country doesnt mess around with other countries, I will let US government be.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:04 pmZooey. I haven’t given up on you, baby.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:04 pmmorning my Princess of Progress!!!!
you’ve been spot on in a lot of your posts today.
I hope you had a wonderful Memorial day.
Comment by whiteyfresh
Good morning, whitey. You’re so sweet — everyone says so. :)
I had a cold and rainy Memorial Day. How about you?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:06 pmad hominem…saywho loves that word….
mmmmmmm..ad hominem grits……
Comment by whiteyfresh — May 29, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
May 29th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
“ad hominem†… oooh! boogga boogga!
i posted opinion, saywho, and will continue to do so…
thanks for your “permissionâ€â€¦ … as if…
…
Comment by katy
**snort**
May 29th, 2007 at 12:09 pmZooey. I haven’t given up on you, baby.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Oh, thank goodness…
May 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pmMr. Shrum wrote that Mr. Jordan had “hammered†Mr. Kerry with a warning: “Go ahead and vote against it if you want, but you’ll never be president of the United States.†Mr. Kerry voted for the war resolution, and Mr. Jordan became Mr. Kerry’s campaign manager three months later.
That can’t be right, Kerry is a representative elected by the people. He wouldn’t vote a specific way for personal political gain. He would have voted just like his constituents wanted.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:10 pmJuan C. Jihadists decided to mess around with us on 9/11. Saddam was messing with the world community after, what, 13 failed resolutions – expelled inspectors, invasions, genocide and torture? I realize that in you world there is only one evil (the U.S.), but your just wrong. This world is a dynamic place. The U.S. has it’s problems, but guess what, those problems exist everywhere and throughout history. You either defend you liberity (the way you see it) or concede it to the vacuum you create by not defending it. I prefer our women have the right to vote, to dress how they want, for homosexuals and christians to not be killed for there beliefs, for all to have the freedom to worship how they want, and for all of us to have the freedom of speech – that you so eloquently exercise here. Come on Juan, are you with me?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:16 pmAs if any input from La Raza should be taken seriously. They don’t exactly define the word “Leadership.”
May 29th, 2007 at 12:19 pmShrum also says that when asked about homosexuals, John Edwards told him, “I don’t feel comfortable around those people”. If this were a Republican candidate, wouldn’t someone at least ask him about it? Doesn’t anyone here care, that if Edwards is going to represent Democrats and possibly all Americans someday, that he feels uncomfortable around gay people. Gay people are just like black people who are just like christians and asians and whites and athiests and buddists and seniors, etc, etc.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:21 pm#105
Considering they’re happy to have Mr. KKK Robert Byrd, I don’t think the lefties care that much.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:25 pmIn the Associated Press article, Sheehan made a very interesting note that leftists began to chide her with the same slurs the right used when she began to hold them to the same standard. She also noted that the two-party system in this country is broken, and that Democrats are doing just as “good” a job playing politics with the lives of troops.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:25 pmMMM GRITS AND BEANS….. you’re making this Southern Boy hungry Saywho!
Zooey: My weekend=fabulous!!! I finished insulating under my house on Saturday,partied my ass off on Saturday night,recovered on Sunday, and bought a new couch for my living room on Monday!(It has a chase louge-sectional!!!!!)it is soooo nice…pickin out blinds for the new windows next week-windows went in last week. God I love owning a home…gas stove…good for makin grits and beans…want a plate, Saywho?
(btw:I’m blushing-You’re so sweet — everyone says so. :)
i guess the italics are busted…who are these “everyone’s” and how can I get them to give me a dollar?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:26 pmCome on Juan, are you with me?
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Ok, but lets get some things straight.
1) the FBI is not looking OBL for 9/11. Have you realized that?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:27 pm2) Saddam messing with the world community? I guess Sweden and Luxemburg were really worried. Come on, get a grip.
3) 13 failed resolutions. Ok. How many UN resolutions has US vetoed? 70+. When was the US invaded? mmmm…
4) No, I dont speak about political affairs in terms of moral values. So, I dont think any country is EVIL. This is not a Poltergeist movie.
5) I dont blame the US, I blame the government of the US. And I am pretty sure that if given the chance, even Uruguay would be as terrorist state as the US is. You just happen to be the superpower in turn. Other countries will replace you when you fall. I have no doubt of that.
6) All those social conquests you are naming…guess who fought them for you? Yes, buddy, it began in Europe in 1848…and it was the thing you call “the left”. The real left…not the democrats or Al Gore.
#105 – Captain
I’m certain you can back that up with a link.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:28 pm1) the FBI is not looking OBL for 9/11. Have you realized that?
Juan? Do you know the role of the FBI? Is there a reason that they should be looking for him? Unless you think he is in the U.S currently, which I suppose is possible.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:34 pm“ad hominem†… oooh! boogga boogga!
i posted opinion, saywho, and will continue to do so…
thanks for your “permissionâ€â€¦ … as if…
…
Comment by katy — May 29, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
It looks like more ad hominem disinformation on your part. Debate should be civil and apparently you don’t choose to be civil.
You wondered about what you can’t see and that would be an American citizen marching down the street with his/her camera. He or she would be part of the counter protest to the protests of the illegal aliens, aliens and alien sympathizers. He or she is most likely exercising his or her 1st Amendment Rights.
You mentioned “them” as “immigrants” when in reality they are parading protestors. Many are covered so that their faces are hidden. As to their race or status nothing can be said.
You go on to include direct ad hominem by labeling me as in your words, “but, mostly, after reading saywho’s posts here, i take most of those comments with a huge grain of salt – there is no one MORE paranoid and negative than saywho… i sure hope it doesn’t catch on…
stay positive and look forward, people…” The last dig is the lowest on your part katy since you have made up your mind that no matter what, you consider the video clips and any information relating to the illegal alien issue as propaganda.
Text book ad hominem attack on your part katy. Try honest debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOe5uYFcXzY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2Fmay2007%2F100507illegalscheer%2Ehtm
May 29th, 2007 at 12:34 pmi guess the italics are busted…who are these “everyone’s†and how can I get them to give me a dollar?
Comment by whiteyfresh
I’m not tellin’. I told a bunch of people about you being a famous football player who slums on TP, and they were so impressed. :-D
It sounds like you’re fixing up that house from the frame out. Nice job, whitey. I love owning my home, too, but I have a condo so it’s a lot less work. I wish I had a gas stovetop (we don’t have it available here), I make a killer red beans and rice. Mmmm…
May 29th, 2007 at 12:37 pmZooey. To be honest, I don’t know how much I trust Shrum (he obviously doesn’t like Edwards), but here’s a link:
http://redstate.com/stories/the_parties/democrats/john_edwards_not_comfortable_with_gays
May 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmJuan,
My bad, looks like the FBI has an expanded role in international terrorism. But where did you get that they wern’t looking for him?
http://www.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/counterrorism/waronterrorhome.htm
May 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmComment by Saywho
I still can’t understand how liberals think they the way they do on immigration. Have any of you ever lived in California? Do you like water shortages and extremely expensive everything? This state filled with leftists, but they are the ones polluting your environment to the worst degree. Do you enjoy being soft-on-crime while more and more people suffer? Why do you constantly dismiss every counter-statement that legitimately proves your point to be wrong?
Watch the NBC news feature last night? Illegal immigrants contributing in a big way to wrecking our health care system, leaving a number of hospitals -especially those along the border – unable to continue offering basic services.
Take that to the bank.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:45 pmDo you know the role of the FBI? Is there a reason that they should be looking for him? Unless you think he is in the U.S currently, which I suppose is possible.
Comment by Tundra
I was aware that the FBI was after him for the bombing of the WTC in 1993.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:45 pmJuan? Do you know the role of the FBI? Is there a reason that they should be looking for him? Unless you think he is in the U.S currently, which I suppose is possible.
Comment by Tundra — May 29, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
Do YOU know the role of the FBI?
One of the roles per their web site is international counterterrorism.
And Osama IS on their list as the most wanted terrorist.
Did you also know that he is not listed as being behind the attacks on 9/11?
May 29th, 2007 at 12:46 pmMy bad also:
Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:47 pm“i sure hope it doesn’t catch on…
stay positive and look forward, people…â€
The last dig is the lowest on your part katy since you have made up your mind that no matter what, you consider the video clips and any information relating to the illegal alien issue as propaganda.
[...]
Comment by Saywho — May 29, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
huh??? … that last “dig” was a plea to the readers here to not fall for your gloom and doom rhetoric… that’s all…
you have no idea what is in my mind until i tell you what i think…
don’t put words “in my mouth”… speak for yourself…
i can do my part for me just fine…
May 29th, 2007 at 12:47 pm…
OH, YEAH, FOOTBALL…
*snark*
May 29th, 2007 at 12:49 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — May 29, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Thanks, but no thanks for the link to redstate. I found the info elsewhere. That is certainly disappointing.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:50 pmOH, YEAH, FOOTBALL…
*snark*
Comment by whiteyfresh
Heh.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:52 pmZooey.
We live in an imperfect world.
May 29th, 2007 at 12:56 pmI like blackbeans, yellow(saffron) rice, salsa and sour cream. Insanely cheap, deleriously delicious!
May 29th, 2007 at 12:57 pmWhen did Chavez declare himself dictator for life? I missed that news story. I know he asked to have their constitution amended to allow him to run again, but to the best of my knowledge this had not been done.
I also find it funny to note that those who seem to be most adamantly against the “dictatorial” Chavez, seem to also be those who most loudly applaud each move Bush take towards dictatorship. Not one of them made a peep when it was revealed that Bush has declared that he and he alone will run the US in the event of another undefined disaster. Has Chavez ever waxed poetically about being a dictator as Bush did in 2001? Or has he announced his intention to become dictator when certain conditions are met, as Bush recently did? Where was the outcry from the right?
I find it funny too that those who seem to be against the take over of Venezuelan TV are also those who echo the RNC and Fox talking points constantly. So what exactly is the difference between a state owned, presumably one viewpoint TV station and Fox News (or the BBC for that matter)?
Captain uninformed, exactly what did Sadaam do in the post Gulf war world, let alone post 911 world that made it necessary to topple his government?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:02 pmCaptain uninformed, exactly what did Sadaam do in the post Gulf war world, let alone post 911 world that made it necessary to topple his government?
Comment by Mark
Switch to Euros.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:04 pmWhenever I saw Cindy Sheehan holding camp outside Bushiva’s farm…
…I KNEW that the resistance was alive and well…
…I trusted the anti-War, truth-to-power movement with Cindy…
…because I KNOW her outrage is REAL…
…sadly, Cindy like former VP Al Gore have come to realize what many of us have known for a long time…
…by and large the American public is STUPID…
…and can be led to believe ANYTHING…
…including how -despite the superficiality of personal appearance-…
…an individual who LOOKS a certain way…
…is qualified to hold the mightiest position on the planet…
…the media has been so complicit in duping the people…
…that democracy belongs in the hands of the image makers…
…until the people get back the courage…
…to revolt…
…I don’t blame Sheehan or Gore for saying to hell with the rest of you…
…I’m going to save me and mine…
May 29th, 2007 at 1:12 pmCindy Sheehan has a right to go home to her family. She tried to end the Iraq Fiasco War, but both parties in the Congress are in bed with Military Industrial Complex profiteers. Only a few members of Congress are patriots, like Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Rep. Maxine Waters, and a few Senators, like Russ Feingold. It’s up to the American public now to end the debacle in Iraq or to allow the cowards in DC to continue funding it.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:13 pmZooey.
We live in an imperfect world.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
No kidding.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:14 pmI like blackbeans, yellow(saffron) rice, salsa and sour cream. Insanely cheap, deleriously delicious!
Comment by whiteyfresh
Oh my god, YUM!
Now I’m hungry….
May 29th, 2007 at 1:16 pm…I don’t blame Sheehan or Gore for saying to hell with the rest of you…
…I’m going to save me and mine…
Comment by big papa
Challenging those with all the money and power is dangerous to your health.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:18 pmPeace and Blessings, Cindy Sheehan.
It wasn’t the hate mongering from the right, but the betrayal of the Democratic Party that finally silenced a voice for peace.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:19 pmi think I’ll have that for dinner tonight!!
May 29th, 2007 at 1:20 pmMark. Everyone thought he had WMD. He had used them on his own people. He dispised the west. Many thought he would either use his WMD and missles against Israel or sell them to terror groups. In hindsight that wasn’t the case. But don’t take my word for it, take the word of the Democratic front runner, Hillary Clinton.
In minute 7-12, she lays out the justification for war with Iraq better than Bush ever has.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8
May 29th, 2007 at 1:21 pmi think I’ll have that for dinner tonight!!
Comment by whiteyfresh
Me too, whitey. I can’t wait… :)
May 29th, 2007 at 1:26 pmOn January 24, 2006, Sheehan took a trip to Venezuela, sponsored by that nation’s foreign ministry. Joining more than 10,000 anti-globalization activists in Venezuela for the Caracas World Social Forum with Venezuela’s President Hugo Chávez[46], she stated “I admire President Chávez for his strength to resist the United States” while saying she agreed with Harry Belafonte’s statement that President Bush is “the greatest terrorist in the world.”
Her statements and others like them are now the only thing showing on Venezuelan state run television.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:26 pmEveryone thought he had WMD….
Comment by CaptainMantastic
No Captain, not everyone.
I never believed it.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:29 pmZooey. you have fantastic foresight. Please run for president, so you can salvage whatever standing we have left in this world.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:33 pmEveryone thought he had WMD….
Comment by CaptainMantastic
still trying THAT one? … yeesh…
May 29th, 2007 at 1:34 pm“i sure hope it doesn’t catch on…
stay positive and look forward, people…â€
The last dig is the lowest on your part katy since you have made up your mind that no matter what, you consider the video clips and any information relating to the illegal alien issue as propaganda.
[…]
Comment by Saywho — May 29, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
huh???(SIC) … that last “dig†was a plea to the readers here to not fall for your gloom and doom rhetoric… that’s all…
you(SIC) have no idea what is in my mind until i tell you what i think…
don’t(SIC) put words “in my mouthâ€â€¦ speak for yourself…
i(SIC) can do my part for me just fine…
…
Comment by katy — May 29, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Yes, that last part was in fact an ad hominem “dig” or attack. You don’t wonder about anything in the first part of your ad hominem post and then in the end you now claim that you are “pleading†to the readers here to not fall for gloom and doom rhetoric… “That’s all”…
So then you had no real questions in the first part. So, all of your posts are hatchet jobs, attacks, digs and ad hominem attacks. You do this to create spin, FUD and propaganda.
Katy, I was hoping to debate the subject on the face value offered in the video clips. I included several videos and included links to statistical information relating to the issue. It happens that you have not brought one single fact to the conversation other than you disagree with me and you use ad hominem attacks frequently when your debate lacks facts.
At this stage I don’t even owe you an explanation about anything. I can say that if you support or condone the sort of behavior exhibited by those masked men then I pity you!
May 29th, 2007 at 1:41 pm…I don’t blame Sheehan or Gore for saying to hell with the rest of you…
…I’m going to save me and mine…
Comment by big papa
Challenging those with all the money and power is dangerous to your health.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Wait a second, If I say screw everyone I will take care of mine, I am a heartless bastard with 0 compassion. If she says it she’s fine?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:42 pmkaty. Maybe you memory is short and selective like many here. If people didn’t think he had WMD, how’d Bush get the authorization, why did the world community even bother with the resolutions. Was it such a strain to believe that Saddam had already bombed the Kurds with chemical weapons. Maybe he had some more. Hillary is a pretty bright woman. Do you think she would risk her presidential ambitions, unless there was good cause to believe Saddam had WMD.
A+ for hindsight, F for rational thought.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:45 pmZooey. you have fantastic foresight. Please run for president, so you can salvage whatever standing we have left in this world.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Yes, and a fully functional and discerning brain.
Regarding the presidency — what have I done to piss you off? :P
May 29th, 2007 at 1:47 pmComment by Tundra
What can you expect? The Zooeys in this open thread all have their heads on backward.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:50 pmWait a second, If I say screw everyone I will take care of mine, I am a heartless bastard with 0 compassion. If she says it she’s fine?
Comment by Tundra
She has been out there in the public eye since the death of her son, doing the right thing, and has been treated horribly by the “good” people in this country.
She’s done. Time to go home and re-group.
I don’t think it was me calling you a heartless bastard, but I may have questioned your level of compassion.
May 29th, 2007 at 1:51 pmWhat can you expect? The Zooeys in this open thread all have their heads on backward.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Oh that’s real nice.
I haven’t said a word to you today, and you’re coming at me?
May 29th, 2007 at 1:53 pmNothing. I’m just really fond of in-charge women. :pq:
May 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pmNothing. I’m just really fond of in-charge women. :pq:
Comment by CaptainMantastic
Stow it, Captain. M’kay?
May 29th, 2007 at 2:05 pmI don’t think it was me calling you a heartless bastard, but I may have questioned your level of compassion.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
I wasn’t complaining that I was called that, just figured she should get added to my “Compassion Deficient” crowd :)
MUWAHAHAHAHAHA
May 29th, 2007 at 2:05 pmI wasn’t complaining that I was called that, just figured she should get added to my “Compassion Deficient†crowd :)
MUWAHAHAHAHAHA
Comment by Tundra
Ah, I see. :)
May 29th, 2007 at 2:14 pm#135, you are assuming I am a Hillary fan, which I am not. I did not vote for her husband either election, though I would vote for him today over any of the republican candidates being offered, except maybe Ron Paul and he has no chance of winning the republican nomination because he is too grounded in reality for the wingnut brigade currently running the republican party into the ground. Ok when between Gulf War I and 911 exactly did Sadaam commit genocide? What evidence do you have that he hated the west? One of the reports issued after his capture indicated that he was trying to emulate the west and was befuddled at our dislike of him. Which Terror groups would he have sold the WMD to? The very ones (AlQueda) who hated him for his secularism? Also is hating Israel automatic cause for us to blow the offending country to shit? 1) why? What real strategic importance is Israel to the US? Our real strategic need in the mid east is the oil, how much oil do we purchase from Israel? 2) If hating Israel and wanting it eliminated is the crime here, then when do we bomb Saudi Arabia? I’ll bet if you conducted a 100% poll of their government you would find that statistically 100% of them want Israel gone. They just don’t do it because they have other issues. So once more using real facts and real information take a minute to tell me whay it was important to eliminate Iraq?
Or do you subscribe to the theroy thhat we eliminate anyone the president thinks might possibly maybe someday int he future be party to an attack on us, regardless of what the evidence might be? In that case it is tiime to smack the crap out of Saudi Arabia.
Perhaps you should check out the PNAC’s position paers on the topic, that might help you out. You know the PNAC where they seem to all have ended up in this administration, and where those position papers were written well before 911.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:16 pmThat comes from this site…
http://www.mexica-movement.org/
This is their claim…
So at its root this is their mission statement and declaration of war. So, this group is not for more lax immigration but wants all non – Nican Tlaca out. Black, White, Red or Yellow, get out now!
That is pretty much a war and there are thousands of bodies every year to prove it is happening (Google it all yourself). The US Citizens have nothing against orderly immigration. Nican Tlaca is a hate group and seems intent on overthrowing the US government (those would be many of those people in the masks).
May 29th, 2007 at 2:38 pmMark. I believe in the idea that Iraq serves as a second front on the war on terror. If you think about it, it does divert the attention of the terror groups that have declared war on us. Progressives dismiss the idea, but if you had told Americans shortly after 9/11 that we would have 6 years without another major domestic terror event, and a war in Iraq with 3500 U.S. soldiers dead, most, at the time, would understand the tradeoff. 6 years of effective homeland defense and complacency have most Americans wondering whether there is, or ever was, a threat. I haven’t forgot how life for us changed after 9/11. But, I can understand the forces that have many denying that it ever occurred.
May 29th, 2007 at 2:44 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — May 29, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
Still buying the lie, I see. 6 years and the PNAC hasn’t attacked us again. And why should they? They got what they wanted from their “Pearl Harbor” event.
In fact, they’ve even dropped the PNAC monicker and switched to the more patriotic sounding American Enterprise Institute.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI grieve for Cindy’s Sheehan’s loss. A long time ago, I got the point she HATES GWB and that her dear son “died for nothingâ€. However, I was surprised it took her so long to wake up to the fact that she was being used by the Left and the pompous egos of the “selfless†anti-war movement…… Comment by valiant venus — May 29, 2007 @ 10:38 am
“Pompous-egos” and “Being-Used”? Wow, what a perfect description for you and that “Professional-Victim” Iraqi veteran that goes around claiming everyone is “spitting” on him and calling him names!
Yeah, selfless, what a thing to “hate”. Wanting people to not die for useless causes – how dare people be “selfless” that way… What’s wrong, does that make you feel “guilty” for being a selfish b*tch? You st*pid hate filled c*nt – Valiant Ben Laden!
You’re such a st*pid c*nt – stop projecting just because you’re such a whiny professional victim. Tell me, how did the “libruls” make you a Victim today? Was it Iraq or Venezuela that makes you feel “victimized”? You st*pid miserable c*nt.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:20 pmShe has been out there in the public eye since the death of her son, doing the right thing, and has been treated horribly by the “good†people in this country.
Comment by Zooey — May 29, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Turning her back on her husband and surviving children is doing the right thing?
I wonder if her husband and children feel the same way.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:20 pm#154 We had 8.5 years with no domestic terrorist attacks (apart fromt he rigth wing zealost Tim McVeigh, The Olympic Bomber and miscelalneous rught wing relgious fantaics bombing this abortion clinic or that one or shooting various abortion doctors.
Point being that not having an attack here is no indicator that the flypaper strategy is working. Prior to the war, if the flypaper strategy was brought up as a reason for invading Iraq, it would have been laughed out of congress. The reality is that the flypaper strategy was thought up after the invasion. Sadaam was sold as a clear a present threat to our national security. The white house used fear to make people think Sadaam and AlQueda were the same thing and they used the media to hammer that point home. How many times did we hear that Bush speech where he made a sad face when talking about 911, then he made the concerned face when talking about Sadaam and WMD and finally the angry face where the would do the Never again part of the speech. It’s no wonder that so many people believed and still believe that Sadaam had a hand in 911.
Tell me this, lets play the game where the flypaper strategy was the point all along, what was wrong with the flypaper we had in Afghanistan? After all that is where AlQueda had their largest presence. It is right next door to where they have their safest haven (Pakistan, not Iran which is a completely different beast from AlQueda).. Why the need to take down a country that was zero threat to the US? The answer is easy to decipher when you read the position papers on Iraq written by the PNAC and couple those papers with noting how many PNAC members were or are currently serving in this administration. Face it we went to war on the basis of an elitist think tanks unproven, untested, un verifiable poorly thought out theories, and now we have a huge mess to deal with and that mess is getting worse day by day. I predicted the Iraq war before Bush was sworn in based solely on the people he was bringing into office with him. My In-laws, who voted for Bush though Powell would keep those people in check. Of course they had no idea Powell was such a weak force. Always was, always will be. He is the perfect example of the Peter principle when applied to the military.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:22 pmMark. I believe in the idea that Iraq serves as a second front on the war on terror. If you think about it, it does divert the attention of the terror groups that have declared war on us. Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 29, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
What you *believe* isn’t relevant or accurate – merely st*pid.
We in fact have diverted our attention away from the problem of “terrorism”, by an occupation of Iraq. A country that did not attack us, and posed no threat to us. Meanwhile, Al Qaeda is stronger than before Iraq was invaded, there are more terrorist attacks *internationally* (so much for your containment fantasy), we’ve had Anthrax attacks in the US, and several attempted attacks that were thwarted not because of “superior” administration tactics, but because of sharp average citizens.
There’s nothing “tastic” about you, nor anything “manly”, you sniveling st*pid little coward.
May 29th, 2007 at 3:23 pmTurning her back on her husband and surviving children is doing the right thing?
I wonder if her husband and children feel the same way.
Comment by hacker bob
The last I heard, they supported what she was doing — even her husband. Their marriage was in trouble before their son’s death.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:05 pmI wonder if her husband and children feel the same way.
Comment by hacker bob
I’m sure her husband and children feel Cindy was horribly smeared and abused.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:07 pmfinally had a chance to read cindy’s “letterâ€, and just heard randi read it on the air… it’s short and to the point…
ThinkProgress should run the whole thing, complete, on a thread…
cindy had so much to say to so many people about so many things…
hopefully this will wake up a lot of people and get us moving…
someone’s gotta do it…
and, as i guessed, she’s not done… “there are still people dyingâ€, she just told randi, calling in…
May 29th, 2007 at 4:28 pmgood on cindy!
…
It’s interesting that Bush is the enemy of Chavez. Chavez characterizes him as the devil. Maybe Chavez doesn’t like Bush for the same reason terrorists don’t like Bush. He promotes freedom. The kinds of freedom for everyone that theatens the likes of Chavez and Islamic Extremists.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 29, 2007 @ 11:35 am
Take a look around, everyone on this planet hates your hero and calls him the devil himself.
May 29th, 2007 at 4:54 pmHe promotes freedom ? No . . .
He promotes money laundering at the highest level.
This ‘freedom on the march’ bullsh*t is just that . . . bullsh*t.
Whatever happend to the ’smokin’ gun in the form of a shroom cloud’ there Captain-sh*t-for-brains?
What happened to Saddam building a nuke ?
I guess your man Junior didn’t find the WMDs by looking under his desk and joking about it as our men and women and hundreds of thousands of Iraqies died.
Iraq wasn’t a haven for terrahists until your hero helped to make it so.
Get the picture genious ? They created this mess so they could generate endless war and borrow money to give to their corporate friends untill their father Satan’s hell freezes over.
Your sorry a*s is paid to be on this site and spout crap.
You must be getting less than minimum wage.
You should be more than ashamed of yourself.
Now crawl back under the sh*t soaked rock you were conceived on and stay there.
And don’t even try that ‘everyone voted for this invasion based on this or that intelligence’ crap.
May 29th, 2007 at 5:01 pmThe fact of it is that people trusted this administration to tell the truth.
Especially when it pertains to something as serious as invading a country to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people . . . AND YOUR OWN .
They lied . . . from the start . . . on their own accord.
They should be arrested and prosecuted and subsequently, upon being convicted, given what they deserve.
Now shove that where the sun don’t shine.
If she says it she’s fine?
Comment by Tundra #142
…she’s (they’re) saying AFTER they tried EVERYTHING they could to open your eyes…
…butyou wouldn’t SEE!
…so they’ve paid their dues, they owe you NOTHING else…
May 29th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI wonder if her husband and children feel the same way.
Comment by hacker bob #157
…her former husband and (estranged) children are ALL cowards…
…something with which YOU (hb) are certainly intimately familiar with…
May 29th, 2007 at 7:49 pmMore fantastic times with our new countrymen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw0KYgbV_M8&mode=related&search=
Enjoy!
May 29th, 2007 at 8:26 pmI still consider these guys from MS13 as my personal saviors…
http://srrtraining.com/images/ms13.jpg
http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2005/mar/salvador_gangs/gallery10.jpg
Apparently the nearly 3000 murders of US citizens each year is no thang!
May 29th, 2007 at 8:39 pmKeith H. – You wouldn’t know a LIE if it came and bit you in the a$$. How do I know? When you put down your Hugo Chavez/Cindy Sheehan talking points you might ask yourself why LEADING Democrats were saying the same thing about Saddam and Iraq in 1998??? Hmmmm…… His toasted soul does appreciate your defense – but could you get him a glass of ice water?….Thanks for playing, little hypocrite.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:26 pmThanks for playing, little hypocrite.
Comment by valiant venus
Hmmmm, in the months before the attacks of 9/11 Condi Rice and Colin Powell, among others, were saying Saddam had no capability of attacking us or building nuclear weapons.
Back at ya, Mighty Hypocrite.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:43 pmMark. Everyone thought he had WMD. He had used them on his own people. He dispised the west. Many thought he would either use his WMD and missles against Israel or sell them to terror groups.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 29, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
Not everyone.
Colin Powell, Feb. 24, 2001, Cairo, Egypt:
May 15, 2001:
And Condi Rice, July 29, 2001:
And let me just say that the sanctions were being reconfigured to keep the pressure on Saddam.
In summary…
We knew in 2001 that, yes, according to Powell he had some stockpiles of WMD’s, but he couldn’t use them, he was not a threat to his neighbors, he had been contained, he did not have the capacity to restart any WMD programs, and he was not a threat to the United States.
Yet on 9/12/01 the Bush administration wanted to attack Iraq. Why? “Because they have better targets” according to Donald Rumsfeld.
Bush called on Saddam to disarm. Saddam said he didn’t have any WMDs. Bush called him a liar and invaded any way. So who was right in the end? Saddam was.
May 30th, 2007 at 10:15 amkaty. Maybe you memory is short and selective like many here. If people didn’t think he had WMD, how’d Bush get the authorization, why did the world community even bother with the resolutions.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 29, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Oh, are you talking about the resolutions granted after Powell’s error-filled speech to the U.N. Security Council?
Tyler Drumheller, former chief of the CIA’s European operations, in an interview by Spiegel Online:
SPIEGEL: The German government was convinced that “Curveball” would not be used in the now famous presentation that then US Secretary of State Colin Powell gave in 2003 before the United Nations Security Council.
Drumheller: I had assured my German friends that it wouldn’t be in the speech. I really thought that I had put it to bed. I had warned the CIA deputy John McLaughlin that this case could be fabricated. The night before the speech, then CIA director George Tenet called me at home. I said: “Hey Boss, be careful with that German report. It’s supposed to be taken out. There are a lot of problems with that.” He said: “Yeah, yeah. Right. Dont worry about that.”
SPIEGEL: But it turned out to be the centerpiece in Powell’s presentation — and nobody had told him about the doubts.
Drumheller: I turned on the TV in my office, and there it was. So the first thing I thought, having worked in the government all my life, was that we probably gave Powell the wrong speech. We checked our files and found out that they had just ignored it.
SPIEGEL: So the White House just ignored the fact that the whole story might have been untrue?
Drumheller: The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy.
May 30th, 2007 at 10:33 am