Boeing sued over torture rendition flights.
By on May 30th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Boeing sued over torture rendition flights.
The ACLU has filed suit charging that a Boeing subsidiary “knowingly provided direct flight services to the CIA that enabled the clandestine transportation of the men to secret overseas locations, where they were tortured and subjected to other ‘forms of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment’ under the agency’s ‘extraordinary rendition’ program.”
“American corporations should not be profiting from a CIA rendition program that is unlawful and contrary to core American values,” said Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the ACLU. “Corporations that choose to participate in such activity can and should be held legally accountable.”
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Capitalism at its worse.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:11 pmBoy, talk about a D.O.A. lawsuit.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pmyeah, this is a great way to make sure we’re safe from terrorism. I’m starting to think that the government does this to really anger the arab world – to the point that more will try to attack this country….and giving them reason to attack somewhere else.
torture will have no effect but to increase terrorism, in my opinion.
crazy? maybe. possible? sure.
The only way this country can be safe is to stop inciting violence against us with this kind of immoral foreign policy.
Some further thoughts:
“What Can We Do About Terrorism?
May 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/what_can_we_do_about_terrorism
Boeing CEO is a war profiteer, so nothing more needs to be said by me.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:15 pmHey, I just sell planes/weapons/guns… I dont mean harm to anybody.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pmSeems like kind of an end-run around the US gov’t to expose this heinous practice. Hope it works.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pmHow is this a civil suit?
Oh yeah…because the criminal justice system of this country has been methodically and systematically compromised.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:18 pmAdmittedly the Iraq War is the number one issue for Congress.
I do not understand their reticence to get involved with this.
They’ve got staunch Republicans like McCain, Session and Warner who are opposed to torture. They’ve got the head of the War in Iraq, Petraeus. They’ve got the head of Army Intelligence, General Kimmons.
How can this not be an easy victory for the Democrats in Congress?
May 30th, 2007 at 12:19 pmGod Bless the ACLU!!
May 30th, 2007 at 12:22 pmThis is no suprise. A large majority of big company CEOs are plainly psychopaths.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmPeople should see “Why We Fight,” a BBC expose of the military-industrial-lobbying complex. This is a valid tactic because through discovery, we just might start to learn of the complicity of the war profiteers in inciting and prolonging the bullshit war on terror.
Zoellick should be probed relentlessly about his PNAC / war profiteer background. The Truth about the events of 9-11 will come out. Another piece to read is about the Global Dominance Group, at http://www.projectcensored.org/downloads/Global_Dominance_Group.pdf .
May 30th, 2007 at 12:43 pmGuess they need to add retroactive airline immunity to the retroactive phone company immunity bill the admin’s trying to push.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:45 pmAs if this suit is anymore noteworthy than the 106694969 suits the ACLU files monthly. Talk about the need for tort reform. It’s now a cliche’ when the ACLU files a lawsuit.
Question: how many suits does the ACLU actually get passed hearing #1?
It seems as if they’re making it harder for people with LEGITIMATE lawsuits just to get to hearing #1.
No wonder the legal system is so clogged.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:46 pmFor those of you that think waterboarding is torture, please look at this.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0524072torture1.html
May 30th, 2007 at 12:50 pmBut my left wing fellow Americans,
I started the rendition programs. why no one on the left complained when I started this program back in the 1990s. Funny how now everyone on the left is up in arms.
why the hypocrisy my dear, sycophant followers? why?
May 30th, 2007 at 12:55 pmWhy didn’t the ACLU file a law suit back in the 1990s when I signed into law the rendition programs.
Why do I always smell hypocrisy from my party and sycophant supporters? man it stinks.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:57 pmtimmy: Are you implying that anything short of crushing a head in a vice is not torture, or are you implying that two wrongs make a right?
May 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pmComment by President Clinton
Mr. Clinton, do you have any illegitimate children we should know about?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:00 pmtimmy: Are you implying that anything short of crushing a head in a vice is not torture, or are you implying that two wrongs make a right?
Comment by Keith
Just putting things into perspective and showing who we are fighting against.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pmOh joy…the wingnut trolls are here to try to derail adult conversation?!
May 30th, 2007 at 1:02 pmI just heard on Air America they are also investigating Jeppesen’s role in the rendition flights. Jeppesen produces the navigational maps and charts used by all pilots around the world. Since Jeppesen is local to me, I find this very interesting.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:13 pmBut my left wing fellow Americans,
I started the rendition programs. why no one on the left complained when I started this program back in the 1990s. Funny how now everyone on the left is up in arms.
why the hypocrisy my dear, sycophant followers? why?
Comment by President Clinton — May 30, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Prove it. I think you’re lying.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmTimmy – waterboarding is torture – are you really saying that because our side isn’t (yet) as heinous, anything goes? What we are fighting against is ignorance and fanaticism – which is overcome by reason, not by escalating evil actions.
I want my America to be an example for the world. Illegal war, lies, torture and stealing resources are not good examples. Shame on you. Shame on all of us.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmOh joy…the wingnut trolls are here to try to derail adult conversation?!
Comment by Styve — May 30, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
So, I take it you call derailing so called adult conversation stating the truth?
I started the rendition program, no one on the left cared, the ACLU didn’t put any law suits out.
I want to know why my sycophant followers are such great hypocrites.
Is this too much to ask from you?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmtimmy
Try getting you head out of your butt.
Here are some folks who are against torture. Note all the liberals.
John McCain
Senator Sessions (served in the military)
Senator Warner (served in the military)
General Petraeus (my guess is that you might know who he is)
Lt. Gen. Jeff Kimmons, Chief of Staff for Intelligence
The Pope
All major religious leaders in the US
Bush’s pastor
All against torture and waterboarding.
Now you want to give us anyone, other than right-winged, pick-up driving, over testosteroned delusionals who support this idiotic idea?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:18 pmBoeing CEO is a war profiteer, so nothing more needs to be said by me.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 30, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Funny enough, Kerry, Edward, Kennedy, myself, my wife, and many other Democrats own stocks in companies like Boeing, Halliburton, etc, etc, does this make us ware profiteers?
why aren’t you taking up arms against my party since we own so much stock in what you consider war profiteering companies?
I know, I know, we leftists hold ourselves to different standards than we hold right wingers.
I am the master at doing this.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pmTimmy – waterboarding is torture – are you really saying that because our side isn’t (yet) as heinous, anything goes? What we are fighting against is ignorance and fanaticism – which is overcome by reason, not by escalating evil actions.
I want my America to be an example for the world. Illegal war, lies, torture and stealing resources are not good examples. Shame on you. Shame on all of us.
Comment by powkat
Waterboarding leaves no lasting effects, unlike the things our enemy is doing. It merely simulates drowning.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:21 pmMy torture isn’t as bad as your torture, so that makes me better. Most people heal up after torture anyways.
/sarcasm
May 30th, 2007 at 1:22 pmtimmy
Try getting you head out of your butt.
Here are some folks who are against torture. Note all the liberals.
John McCain
Senator Sessions (served in the military)
Senator Warner (served in the military)
General Petraeus (my guess is that you might know who he is)
Lt. Gen. Jeff Kimmons, Chief of Staff for Intelligence
The Pope
All major religious leaders in the US
Bush’s pastor
All against torture and waterboarding.
Now you want to give us anyone, other than right-winged, pick-up driving, over testosteroned delusionals who support this idiotic idea?
Comment by dogjudge
When did I say anything about liberals.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:22 pmTimmy – waterboarding is torture – are you really saying that because our side isn’t (yet) as heinous, anything goes? What we are fighting against is ignorance and fanaticism – which is overcome by reason, not by escalating evil actions.
I want my America to be an example for the world. Illegal war, lies, torture and stealing resources are not good examples. Shame on you. Shame on all of us.
Comment by powkat — May 30, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
Amazing how fast we on the left are ready to condemn the USA for what we consider torture, yet when real torture is done unto our soldiers, unto American contractors, when 42 Iraqis are freed from an Al Qaeda torture chamber and Al Qaeda torture instructions are found, we on the left are completly silent.
where is the left wing outrage over Al Qaeda’s real torture chamber, where is it?
We are more willing to believe terrorists who claim to have been tortured by American forces than our own soldiers.
Don’t you think my sycophant followers that there is something wrong with this?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:25 pmtimmy: Are you implying that anything short of crushing a head in a vice is not torture, or are you implying that two wrongs make a right?
No pain is caused, and no damage is done to the body.
It’s not torture.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:25 pmWaterboarding leaves no lasting effects, unlike the things our enemy is doing. It merely simulates drowning.
Comment by timmy
I think that you are right. In order to prove it, lets waterboard you, so you can tell everyone that, in effect, it doesnt kill you and it is not torture at all. Are you game?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:26 pmYou too, m12. Lets prove all this libs that waterboard is not torture. We will use your own kids or family members to encourage the perception that waterboard is a normal thing.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:27 pmtimmy
Try getting you head out of your butt.
Here are some folks who are against torture. Note all the liberals.
John McCain
Senator Sessions (served in the military)
Senator Warner (served in the military)
General Petraeus (my guess is that you might know who he is)
Lt. Gen. Jeff Kimmons, Chief of Staff for Intelligence
The Pope
All major religious leaders in the US
Bush’s pastor
All against torture and waterboarding.
Now you want to give us anyone, other than right-winged, pick-up driving, over testosteroned delusionals who support this idiotic idea?
Comment by dogjudge
oh please, no one supports the type of torture that Al Qaeda does on its prisoners.
you can’t be stupid enough to believe that all torture can be categorized with on broad brush, or maybe you can.
Do you believe that putting panties on the heads of Muslims is torture?
do you believe that wrapping an Israeli flag around a Muslim is torture?
do you believe that blasting 24/7 rock music in someone’s jail is torture?
do you believe making a cell uncomfortably hot or cold is torture?
do you believe keeping the lights on really bright in someone’s cells is torture?
As most of my left wing sycophant followers, you don’t know what you are talking about.
If you want REAL torture, get captured by Al Qaeda, by the Taliban, by Hamas, by Hezzbollah, by the Irani Republican army, then come back and talk about torture.
Otherwise….stop slandering the United States of America soldiers.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:29 pmm12 sez:
If you don’t think waterboarding is painful, you’re an even bigger idiot than you’ve previously indicated.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:30 pmWaterboarding leaves no lasting effects, unlike the things our enemy is doing. It merely simulates drowning.
Comment by timmy
I think that you are right. In order to prove it, lets waterboard you, so you can tell everyone that, in effect, it doesnt kill you and it is not torture at all. Are you game?
Comment by Juan C — May 30, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Actually, Juan C, special forces in the USA do go through waterboarding excersice in order to gradutae from their special forces schools. Yes, they are waterboarded by their commanders and teachers.
Navi SEALS, Air Force special forces, Green Berets, Delta Force, all do water boarding on their applicants to see how strong you are.
I would suggest, that you read a bit more.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:31 pmtimmy,
I brought up liberals, because of the disparity on this issue between liberals and conservatives. Note all of the Republican candidates for President who are for the issue (ie. all but John McCain).
So, you have avoided the questions.
Please give me ONE, just ONE, military leader who has held the rank of General who is pro torture?
Ditto ONE religious leader.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:34 pmPresident Clinton
Please save your typing skills for someone else.
The Geneva Convention defines torture.
Your numerous idiotic examples mean absolutely nothing. What YOU think is torture, or isn’t, doesn’t make any difference.
Slandering the troops. I happened to have served in the military. Even there you are TOLD what is acceptable conduct and what isn’t. Sort of like General Petraeus saying recently that torture ISN’T acceptable. It’s also why military courts send people to jail for things such as Abu Graib.
Navy Seals, Green Berets, etc. . . . I don’t know where you got that fantasy, but you’re wrong. The military does consider waterboarding torture. Go look at the memos of Kimmons and Petraeus.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:39 pm“President Clinton” sez:
And why exactly do they do that, do you think, PC? Maybe because they are teaching their students to withstand ?
You think your post about the Special Forces training proves your point, but it’s proven ours most decidedly. Thanks.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:39 pmtimmy,
I brought up liberals, because of the disparity on this issue between liberals and conservatives. Note all of the Republican candidates for President who are for the issue (ie. all but John McCain).
So, you have avoided the questions.
Please give me ONE, just ONE, military leader who has held the rank of General who is pro torture?
Ditto ONE religious leader.
Comment by dogjudge — May 30, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
1) I thought you we leftists were for seperation of Church and State, so why asked for a religious leader on this subject? Oh, I forgot, we can actually mix politics and religion, not the right wingers.
2) Once again, no one supports the type of tortured that is carried out by Al Qaeda, by the Taliban, by N. Korean, by Iran.
3) Define torture. Like a good Liberal (I have taught you well) you are not defining what torture is.
do you consider torture blasting music in someone’s cell?
do you consider torture wrapping an Israli flag on a Muslim?
do you consider torture making someone’s cell uncomfortably hot or cold?
what do you consider torture?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:41 pm#33
Plenty of people have already tried it. Liberals refused to believe their testimony.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:44 pm#40
Playing ‘Slim Shady’ is definitely torture.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:44 pmTo the irrelevant troll. Thanks for the input. That makes waterboarding so much better. They are prepared that way to endure…yes, torture.
I am sorry for interrupting your brilliant posts in this thread.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:44 pmpost 38 should read:
Here’s another fun fact: the name of another regime that relied heavily on waterboarding:
The Khymer Rouge
Yes, that’s the sort of company Chimpy & Co. is keeping.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:45 pmPlenty of people have already tried it. Liberals refused to believe their testimony.
Comment by m12
Well, then parents should waterboard their kids, to get info, you know. Teachers should do the same if it is so typical and effective. Now, please, when you see a head rolling in the streets of Baghdad, remember Abu Ghraib and dont cry mommy.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:46 pmm12 sez:
Hey, m12: if you think waterboarding is such a non-torture, can you please explain why it was one of the premier torture methods employed by the Khymer Rouge?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:47 pmPresident Clinton
Please save your typing skills for someone else.
The Geneva Convention defines torture.
Your numerous idiotic examples mean absolutely nothing. What YOU think is torture, or isn’t, doesn’t make any difference.
Slandering the troops. I happened to have served in the military. Even there you are TOLD what is acceptable conduct and what isn’t. Sort of like General Petraeus saying recently that torture ISN’T acceptable. It’s also why military courts send people to jail for things such as Abu Graib.
Navy Seals, Green Berets, etc. . . . I don’t know where you got that fantasy, but you’re wrong. The military does consider waterboarding torture. Go look at the memos of Kimmons and Petraeus.
Comment by dogjudge — May 30, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
why are you afraid to defing torture? put up what the Geneva Convention says is torture.
and you served? I very much doubt it, if you had served you could in a second tell everyone here what the military considers torture.
Once again, the type of torture that Al Qaeda, Taliban, Iran, N. Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, etc uses is bad and should not be done.
why are you afraid to respond…
are these torture?
making a cell uncomfortably hot or cold?
blasting rock music 3 to 4 hours a day non-stop?
keeping a bright light on all day long?
wrapping an israli flag around a Muslim?
putting on a Muslim’s head panties?
making a bunch of adult Muslim men do a human pyramid while they are naked?
answer the question, are these torture?
why are you afraid to answer?
Tripmaster,
sorry guy, if waterboarding was torture, you can bet your behind that the military wouldn’t be doing it on its own guys. Do you know the mental scar and the physical scar it would leave? what would be the use of having them be special forces after torturing them!
not much of a thinker are you, eh?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:48 pmPresident Clinton
Don’t know how to read?
The Geneva Convention defines torture.
YOU don’t. I don’t.
I realize you have a had time reading. Try reading Alan Dershowitz’s book “Just Revenge”. It raise some interesting questions about how you handle people who commit torture. ie. A person commits suicide because they “think” someone has been torturing their grandchildren because of acts that person did during WW II. Can the person who fakes the torturing be held liable for murder?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI would suggest, that you read a bit more.
Comment by President Clinton
I would suggest you lie less. Nobody believes anything you say. Maybe you could start using your own name because nobody finds you amusing smearing the name of the greatest president since Kennedy.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:53 pmPresident Clinton
Don’t know how to read?
The Geneva Convention defines torture.
YOU don’t. I don’t.
I realize you have a had time reading. Try reading Alan Dershowitz’s book “Just Revengeâ€. It raise some interesting questions about how you handle people who commit torture. ie. A person commits suicide because they “think†someone has been torturing their grandchildren because of acts that person did during WW II. Can the person who fakes the torturing be held liable for murder?
Comment by dogjudge — May 30, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
So you are afraid to answer, my poor coward. Once again, are my exmaple torture or not? why are you a coward? you never served our great military. Not only are you a coward, but also a liar.
A man (If we can even call you that) after my own heart.
The fact is tha the USA doesn’t torture like the left loves to imply. The fact is that the USA doesn’t even come close to using the torture that Al Qaeda, taliban, cuba, venezuela, Russia, France, China, N. Korea, Iran, uses.
If you had served in the military you would know this.
Furthermore, if you have served in the military you would be able to respond to my examples rather quickly.
Also, for us left wingers who claim to support our troops, we sure love to believe that they are torturers who carry out the same horrific things that Al Qaeda does to its prisoners.
this is how much we support our troops.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:58 pm“President Clinton” sez:
Wow, you’re stupid.
Do yourself a favor and Google SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape). SERE training is provided to U.S. Special Forces and other military personnel to prepare them to withstand torture if they become prisoners of war. It includes mocking of their religious beliefs, sexual taunting, and, yes, waterboarding.
Why exactly do you think that Special Forces applicants are subjected to waterboarding, if not to teach them to withstand the technique?
Do some research (for a change).
May 30th, 2007 at 1:59 pmAlan Dershowitz’s book “Just Revengeâ€.
Dershowitz…now thats good source regarding violation of human rights.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:59 pmI would suggest, that you read a bit more.
Comment by President Clinton
I would suggest you lie less. Nobody believes anything you say. Maybe you could start using your own name because nobody finds you amusing smearing the name of the greatest president since Kennedy.
Comment by Shane — May 30, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
me, the greatest President since John F. Kennedy? hahahahahaha!!!
get my d…ck out of your mouth and start paying attention. You are as incoherent as Monica.
my communication staff really did a number on that small brain of yours, eh?
I love my communication staff, look how they brainwashed you to believe that I was the greatest President since JFK.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:00 pm“President Clinton†sez:
sorry guy, if waterboarding was torture, you can bet your behind that the military wouldn’t be doing it on its own guys. Do you know the mental scar and the physical scar it would leave? what would be the use of having them be special forces after torturing them!
Wow, you’re stupid.
Do yourself a favor and Google SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape). SERE training is provided to U.S. Special Forces and other military personnel to prepare them to withstand torture if they become prisoners of war. It includes mocking of their religious beliefs, sexual taunting, and, yes, waterboarding.
Why exactly do you think that Special Forces applicants are subjected to waterboarding, if not to teach them to withstand the technique?
Do some research (for a change).
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — May 30, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
are you serious?! If waterboarding was such a horrific thing, would we do it on our special forces? of course not!!!
if waterboarding was horrific because it would leave physical and emotional scars, you can bet your behind it would not be done by our military on its own people. what good would be a special forces individual that we tortured and left emotional and physical scars on?
do we give electricity to our special forces since more likely than not, if captured they will be electrecuted? do we cut off their limbs, fingers, etc since more likely than if captured this will happen to them?
still not much of a thinker, are you.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:08 pmWell, then parents should waterboard their kids, to get info, you know. Teachers should do the same if it is so typical and effective. Now, please, when you see a head rolling in the streets of Baghdad, remember Abu Ghraib and dont cry mommy.
See, now you aren’t making any sense.
This here, is torture, done by the Islamic fascists.
http://www.savage-productions.com/beheaded_soldiers_iraq.html
May 30th, 2007 at 2:13 pm“President Clinton” sez:
Didn’t actually Google “SERE”, did you? I guess that’s to be expected…the sheer depth of willful ignorance you display should have been a tip-off.
Perhaps that’s something you should ask SERE. They do it specifically to increase the applicant’s ability to withstand the technique should they be taken prisoner. Again, look it up.
There’s more to your post, but it’s not worth responding to. Go and do some research on SERE training, and get back to us.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:15 pmWell, then parents should waterboard their kids, to get info, you know. Teachers should do the same if it is so typical and effective. Now, please, when you see a head rolling in the streets of Baghdad, remember Abu Ghraib and dont cry mommy.
See, now you aren’t making any sense.
This here, is torture, done by the Islamic fascists.
http://www.savage-productions.com/beheaded_soldiers_iraq.html
Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
don’t you get it m12, we on the left who claim to support our troops are more than ready to believe Al Qaeda members and other terrorist who claim that our troops have tortured them.
and when this american troops, who we claim to support, come out and tell us that they didn’t torture anyone, we on the left who support them, will not believe them. we will believe the Al Qaeda terrorists over our own soldiers.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:18 pm“President Clinton†sez:
are you serious?! If waterboarding was such a horrific thing, would we do it on our special forces? of course not!!!
Didn’t actually Google “SEREâ€, did you? I guess that’s to be expected…the sheer depth of willful ignorance you display should have been a tip-off.
if waterboarding was horrific because it would leave physical and emotional scars, you can bet your behind it would not be done by our military on its own people. what good would be a special forces individual that we tortured and left emotional and physical scars on?
Perhaps that’s something you should ask SERE. They do it specifically to increase the applicant’s ability to withstand the technique should they be taken prisoner. Again, look it up.
There’s more to your post, but it’s not worth responding to. Go and do some research on SERE training, and get back to us.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — May 30, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
So, left with no other alternative now you are claiming that we torture our own special forces, right?
still not much of a thinker, are you.
maybe if I repeat myself something will get into that poorly informed, anti-American troops mind of yours.
If waterboarding was true torture, why do we do it to our best soldiers, to our special forces?
if it was so horrific and if it left emotional and physical scars, why do we do it on our own special forces?
I mean according to what you claim, then all of our special forces are forever emotionally and physically scarred.
funny enough for decades the military disagrees with you.
still not much of a thinker, are you.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:21 pmPresident Clinton
You continue to make assertions with no substantiation.
ONE link that any branch of the US military is using waterboarding as a training technique?
May 30th, 2007 at 2:27 pmPresident Clinton
You continue to make assertions with no substantiation.
ONE link that any branch of the US military is using waterboarding as a training technique?
Comment by dogjudge — May 30, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
You can’t be for real, can you now. I have taught my mindless drones well.
refuse answering questions that will put you in an uncomfortable situtation, but make the other side give you answers to yoru questions.
or the best one of all, don’t ever give links, cites, etc to your stories, but demand them from those you disagree with.
my toolish, sycophant followers, you have learned well from me and my corrupt, I mean Democratic machine.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:33 pm“President Clinton” sez:
Since you seem incapable of doing your own research, here’s a link to get you started.
Again, the rest of your post is not worth a response, as it all stems from a faulty premise.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“President Clinton†sez:
So, left with no other alternative now you are claiming that we torture our own special forces, right?
Since you seem incapable of doing your own research, here’s a link to get you started.
Again, the rest of your post is not worth a response, as it all stems from a faulty premise.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — May 30, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
You refuse to respond to it because you know it destroys your stupid argument.
Waterboarding is NOT torture, if it were, we would not do it to our own soldiers.
thanks for playing and proving that I am right.
I know that you are too stupid to realize that you lost this argument.
Just be happy to know that you lost to the smartest and greatest President to ever step foot on the Oval Office rug. This should give you some comfort.
It is not your fault that you lost, you lost because you spew all the propaganda that my communication staff loves to spew out and have toolish liberals like you believe.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:43 pmACLU is Americas freedom society. Write them another check!
May 30th, 2007 at 2:59 pmgood. Phone companies next.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:05 pm“President Clinton” sez:
I DID respond, dolt…several times. You’re the one who can’t seem to see what is right in front of your face.
Waterboarding most certainly IS torture, and that’s precisely why we do it to our own soldiers: to teach them to resist the technique.
Here’s a couple of quotes from people that know a lot more than you:
Seems these people don’t have much doubt about it…why are you still so confused?
And once again, I’d like to point out that waterboarding was one of the most favored torture techniques employed by the The Khymer Rouge.
You’re joking, right? I’ve provided plenty of evidence to back up my assertions, while your argument has consisted of screwing your eyes tightly closed and insisting you don’t see anything…and now you have the temerity to declare victory?
Fortunately, my mission in this discussion wasn’t to convince you…it was to keep other readers from falling prey to your poisonous lies. Having accomplished that handily, I think a declaration of victory isn’t premature in my case.
PC, if you want to discuss the subject, please feel free to do so, but if all you want to do is hysterically deny established facts, I’ll leave you to it.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:05 pmPC, if you want to discuss the subject, please feel free to do so, but if all you want to do is hysterically deny established facts, I’ll leave you to it.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — May 30, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
hysterically deny established facts? by who, you? please my friend.
no one said waterboarding was a cake walk, but waterboarding is NOT torture, if it were, we wouldn’t be doing it to our own soldiers.
why does this logic dismiss you?
all you have accomplished is to spew out typical liberal nonsense to defend the undefendable.
there are many things we do not wish upon our own enemies, it does mean that they are torture.
and while you grabbed the example of a few people that have gone through SERE, I wonder why aren’t the majority of the peopple that went through this training agreeing with them and vocing out their opinion.
waterboarding is NOT torture. You can claim it is all you want, it won’t make it so.
once again, look at this (http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,1783,00.html#1_0document to find out what real torture is, then come back to me and let us talk about whether the USA troops, you know those you claim to support so much, torture or not.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:39 pmSo, PC, it looks like you’re taking the option of hysterically denying established facts. Quelle suprise.
As I promised, I’ll leave you to it. I’ve adequately demolished your “waterboarding is not torture” screed…if you’re not going to contribute anything else to the discussion, there’s no point in me hanging around. Sayonara.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:47 pmIs there no community policing here that would allow for the flagging of this “Pres. Clinton” twerp, and his possible banning? He accounts for seemingly about 50% of the posts in the thread, and they are all intended to argue minutiae or otherwise derail any conversation of the OP’s topic.
What other companies are involved in the real Rovian conspiracy?
May 30th, 2007 at 3:49 pmOops, President Clinton troll just got owned.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:50 pmSo, PC, it looks like you’re taking the option of hysterically denying established facts. Quelle suprise.
As I promised, I’ll leave you to it. I’ve adequately demolished your “waterboarding is not torture†screed…if you’re not going to contribute anything else to the discussion, there’s no point in me hanging around. Sayonara.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — May 30, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
“I’ve adequately demolished your “waterboarding is not torture†screed…” once again, according to who, you? please stop being a silly little seal. Typical liberal tool of mine to pad himself on the back when they believe their own delusional arguments.
As I said my small minded, toolish, sycophant follower, you are too dumb, too slow, to stupid to realize that lost this argument the second you decided to address me.
But once again, it should give you comfort that you lost to the greatest, smartest, best looking President to ever set foot on the oval office rug.
and remember, tripmaster, just because you believe it, it doesn’t mean it is fact.
May 30th, 2007 at 4:33 pmIf I read another word either about the real President Clinton, or from this phony “President Clinton”, I’m going to scream. I’ve only visited a couple of threads in the last week or so, and this annoying shite-head has to be flinging his poo all over the place?! I’m going home.
May 30th, 2007 at 7:18 pmHey Dogjudge where do you get this (They’ve got staunch Republicans like McCain) Crap . McCain is a Rino who vote with the Democrats 90% of the Time and is unelectable as a Republican for President . Staunch my ass
May 30th, 2007 at 7:54 pmwhat do you consider torture?
Comment by President Clinton
Reading your lies and blather, for one. After all, only I can be the true judge and jury on what torture really is.
May 31st, 2007 at 3:17 amLook for Republicans trying to sneak legislation granting immunity to these torture abetting corporations. This is darkest decade in American history…
May 31st, 2007 at 7:10 amRemember, they don’t torture to get information…
May 31st, 2007 at 7:23 amThey torture guys until they give up and confess to anything/everything.
It’s a fake terrorists making machine.
Need a new facist law? Need to attack a new contry?
No problem, give the neocons a few days/weeks and they will produce some confessions that will fit your case!
So, yes, torture works. Not to get the truth; but to further their agenda…