Medical Expert Debunks Dobbs Report Tying Immigrants To Leprosy
Medical Expert Debunks Dobbs Report Tying Immigrants To Leprosy
In April 2005, CNN’s Lou Dobbs aired a report by CNN correspondent Christine Romans about how the “invasion of illegal aliens is threatening the health of many Americans.” Romans claimed, “There were about 900 cases of leprosy for 40 years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years.” Dobbs responded, “Incredible.”
CBS later found that there had actually been 7,000 cases in the past 30 years, and “nobody knows how many of those cases involve illegal immigrants.” When 60 Minutes host Lesley Stahl confronted him on this error, Dobbs simply replied, “If we reported it, it’s a fact.” Watch it:
Barely 24 hours after 60 Minutes exposed his leprosy figures as inaccurate, Dobbs reiterated his support for Romans’s report saying, “We don’t make up numbers, I stand 100 percent behind what you said” and invited her to report the freshly-debunked figures once more.
The New York Times found, however, that Dobbs’s reporting is still not based on facts. The Director of the National Hansen’s Disease Program, James Krahenbuhl, verified the 60 Minutes report:
The official leprosy statistics do show about 7,000 diagnosed cases — but that’s over the last 30 years, not the last three. [...]
“It is not a public health problem — that’s the bottom line,” Mr. Krahenbuhl told me. “You’ve got a country of 300 million people. This is not something for the public to get alarmed about.“
Despite such a public and complete rebuke, Dobbs, Romans, and CNN have all refused to issue a correction. You can urge them to do so HERE
UPDATE: On Friday, the Southern Poverty Law Center will be hosting a live webchat about this controversy.
Transcript:
STAHL: Well, here’s what they say about you. That you distort the figures, that you exaggerate, and you aim to inflame just to get ratings.
DOBBS: Oh, really?
STAHL: Yes, really.
DOBBS: That’s fascinating, because what I can’t understand is why other journalists would not take on the issues of free trade, illegal immigration, outsourcing, all of these rather sexy topics… (CROSSTALK)
STAHL: I’ll tell — I’ll tell you why.
DOBBS: … which I’ve been covering for years.
STAHL: Reporters don’t take on issues, reporters report issues, and there’s a big difference there.
Do you think you’re a journalist?
DOBBS: Absolutely. I may be an advocacy journalist, but I’m a journalist.
STAHL (voice-over): One of the issues he tackles relentlessly is illegal immigration. And on that, his critics say, his advocacy can get in the way of the facts.
DOBBS: Tuberculosis, leprosy, malaria?
STAHL: Following a report on illegals carrying diseases into the U.S., one of the correspondents on his show, Christine Romans, told Dobbs that there have been 7,000 cases of leprosy in the U.S. in the past three years.
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Leprosy. In this country.
DOBBS: Incredible.
STAHL: We checked that and found a report issued by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, saying 7,000 is the number of leprosy cases over the last 30 years, not the past three. And nobody knows how many of those cases involve illegal immigrants.
(on camera): Now we went to try and check that number — 7,000. We can’t.
DOBBS: Well, I can tell you this. If we reported it, it’s a fact.
STAHL: You can’t tell me that. You did report it.
DOBBS: Well no, I just did.
STAHL: How can you guarantee that to me?
DOBBS: Because I’m the managing editor. And that’s the way we do business. We don’t make up numbers, Lesley, do we?
STAHL: I’m sitting here saying to myself, this man runs a news show?
L. DOBBS: I do.
STAHL: And you can just tell me you don’t like the president. Whoo.
L. DOBBS: I, matter of fact, insist that the audience know where I come from.
STAHL: What about fair and balanced?
L. DOBBS: I’ve never, Lesley, found the truth to be fair and balanced. I’ve found it to be…
STAHL: But, that’s — but wait, what’s the definition of journalism? That — that’s in there. That has to be part of what a journalist is, is fair and balanced.
L. DOBBS: I truly believe there’s a non-partisan independent reality…
(CROSSTALK)
STAHL: But it’s your reality.
L. DOBBS: It is my reality.
STAHL: But it’s not the reality.
L. DOBBS: Well, how so?
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May 30th, 2007 at 1:18 pmCNN is garbage. It hasn’t been useful in years.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:19 pmIllegal Immigrants contribute many bad aspects to our society, who cares if Leprosy happens not to be ONE of them. I’m soo comforted now.
Cherry pickers….
May 30th, 2007 at 1:24 pmSTAHL: Reporters don’t take on issues, reporters report issues, and there’s a big difference there.
Do you think you’re a journalist?
STAHL: I’m sitting here saying to myself, this man runs a news show?
Wow. That’s a smackdown. :-D
I really don’t understand why Dobbs and Romans will not issue a correction. She left off a zero, it was a mistake. Mistakes happen, and this one was easily correctable. Now it’s a big old stand off. Ridiculous.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:27 pmLeprosy is easily treated and curable.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:28 pmIllegal Immigrants contribute many bad aspects to our society, who cares if Leprosy happens not to be ONE of them. I’m soo comforted now.
Cherry pickers….
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 30, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
It’s interesting to see that accuracy in journalism is also one of the aspects of society that CompTROLLER V-1 is not concerned about.
Says a lot about the “programming” that runs the unit.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:31 pmDobbs loves a ‘big johnson’ contest.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:34 pmComment by KRank
You didn’t make any sense. Did you even read my statement. Why are you speaking of something trivial in place of the bigger picture?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:37 pm“Barely 24 hours after 60 Minutes exposed his leprosy figures as inaccurate, Dobbs reiterated his support for Romans’s report saying, “We don’t make up numbers, I stand 100 percent behind what you said‒
Later that day, it came out that Dobbs is actually only 56% behind what she said, and was sitting at the time.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:38 pm#5 Hey, I was going to say that!
It’s true, leprosy is easily diagnosed and cured. It is caused by a bacteria that responds to antibiotics. This disease earned its reputation before the advent of antiobiotics. Trying to fear monger about it simply plays to ignorance. You might as well fear monger about head lice.
The bubonic plague is also easily treated with antibiotics.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:39 pmLou, you are confused. A journalist practices journalism:
jour·nal·ism (jûr’nÉ™-lÄz’É™m) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. The collecting, writing, editing, and presenting of news or news articles in newspapers and magazines and in radio and television broadcasts.
2. Material written for publication in a newspaper or magazine or for broadcast.
3. The style of writing characteristic of material in newspapers and magazines, consisting of direct presentation of facts or occurrences with little attempt at analysis or interpretation.
A ADVOCACY JOURNALIST is nothing more than a propagandist and they disseminate propaganda:
prop·a·gan·da (prÅp’É™-gÄn’dÉ™) Pronunciation Key
n.
1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.
Lou, stop giving journalists a bad name.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:40 pmLeprosy may be easy to cure, but xenophobia is another matter.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:41 pm#8 CompTROLLER:
I did read your statement. The story was about Dobbs’ mistaken use of statistics and refusal to correct the mistake.
In short, the story is about journalistic integrity. You appear unconcerned about that. In fact, you didn’t even mention it in your oddly-phrased statement. Curious.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:41 pm#5 Hey, I was going to say that!
Comment by VerbalKint
A rare scoop — I’m honored. :)
May 30th, 2007 at 1:44 pmLou thinks that isolationism is still an answer. He doesn’t understand that the world has changed sufficiently that isolationism, even if it were a good idea (which it isn’t) is not possible. Lou’s denial of our evolving world is , I believe, shared by today’s anti-war progressives, that believe that the intolerance and repression of liberties that are prevalent in the middle east, somehow can’t or won’t effect us.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:46 pmDobbs is an “advocacy journalist”. Advocacy Journalist = Demogogue
#3 Word! Comptroller V-1! All those illegals contributing bad aspects to society. How dare they! That is the job of all those native white folk, what with their divorce and out of control children, adultery, drinking, drugs, unemployment, litter, smoking, professional wrestling, obesity, laziness, bad breath and last but not least golfing.
Block all illegals! Turn them from the borders! They are hogging all the bad things in our society! Bad thing for white folks, Bad things for white folks, Bad things for white folks. C’mon everyone join in, Bad things for white folks, Bad things for white folks…..
May 30th, 2007 at 1:46 pm7000 cases of leprosy, eh?
All the more reason to bring back Jesus Christ!
May 30th, 2007 at 1:48 pmKRank
He’s a conservative. He likes being lied to.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI like Dobbs for the most part. I don’t agree with everything he says but he is willing to go after government stooges. There are not too many news anchors left that will get as pissed off as Dobbs over government corruption. If he is indeed wrong, I would hope that he corrects his error. I don’t understand his refusal to admit a mistake. He knows you must do that to remain credible.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:50 pmHaven’t there also been instances where Dobbs cited as fact the maps and statement of some right-wing hate group that Mexican immigrants were trying to re-fight the Mexican-American War?
May 30th, 2007 at 1:52 pmSince Dobbs is so omnipotent, I wish he’d report the following “facts”:
cancer has been cured
New Orleans has been repaired
the electoral college is scrapped
bigotry and prejudice no longer exist in the U.S.
Bush and Cheney have resigned, Pelosi is President
Al Gore is running for President
What a tool! Come on, Dobbs, admit the mistake, correct it, move on. You might have some valid points and real facts to relay to the public, which should require credibility that is threatened by your stubbornness.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:54 pmIs there anything that Lou Dobbs doesn’t believe about Mexicans? Never have I seen a show based on racism the way that Lou Dobbs’ show is. He’s literally telling everyone that Mexican immigrants are dirty. Ack!
May 30th, 2007 at 1:54 pmHi
Here’s a novel proposal – why don’t we just find a cure or a vaccine for leprosy instead of arguing about numbers?
Regards,
Coral
http://www.coralpoetry.blogspot.com
May 30th, 2007 at 1:55 pmDobbs is an acolyte of the George W Bush School of Contrition
May 30th, 2007 at 1:55 pmHi,
Why don’t we just find a cure or a vaccine for leprosy instead of arguing about numbers?
Regards,
May 30th, 2007 at 1:57 pmCoral
#23 – Coral
There is already a treatment and cure for leprosy.
See #5 & #10.
May 30th, 2007 at 1:58 pmLeprosy is easily treatable, but as the esteemed Ron White observed, “You can’t fix stupid.”.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:02 pmCaptainMantastic
Actually todays anti-war liberal notes that America doesn’t have enough money to solve all of the world’s problems, having friends is a good thing, and going in an turning an entire major religion against you is generally counter-productive in a world where other people matter.
Further, anti-war progressives learnt the most basic lesson of Vietnam way back, during Vietnam. You can’t force democracy. Democracy, as a system based on reasonably free choice, has to be the choice of the people.
The difference between liberals and conservatives? Liberals learn and respect learning. Conservatives mutter about liberal universities.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:03 pmThe NYT LOVES illegal aliens and has an agenda promoting the dissolution of the US/Mexico border. How else will they increase their sagging subscription numbers and flagging credibility?
May 30th, 2007 at 2:04 pmThe NYT LOVES illegal aliens and has an agenda promoting the dissolution of the US/Mexico border. How else will they increase their sagging subscription numbers and flagging credibility?
Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
As to conservatives loving being lied to, case in point…
May 30th, 2007 at 2:06 pm“…Bad thing for white folks, Bad things for white folks, Bad things for white folks. C’mon everyone join in, Bad things for white folks, Bad things for white folks…”
Thanks for confirming why there is such resistance to the racist immigrant movement. We are right to resist because of inflammatory statements like yours, and you have forfeited your right to complain against “white folks.” Stupid bum racist.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:08 pmThe difference between liberals and conservatives? Liberals learn and respect learning. Conservatives mutter about liberal universities.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 30, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
Excellent observation, Bruce.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:09 pmBruce, you make good points. I would say (Hillary also said it, in the runup to war) that the friends we should have been relying on were not taking any action and were not willing to take any action. My take is that there are consequences for inaction, just as there are for action.
You’re probably right that you can’t force democracy, but can you facilitate it? If you’re not on board with trying to promote democracy, what do you do to curb the threat of fundamentalist Islam extremists in the middle east?
May 30th, 2007 at 2:10 pmMitt, I would vote for Jesus, if he came back, but he would have to become more hawkish on the war.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:11 pmvaliant venus at #29. You’re kidding on this one right. Not even you are this delusional, or are you chugging your cold medicine again?
May 30th, 2007 at 2:12 pmBruce – Living in San Diego, I can attest to the problems resulting from illegal immigration. We have seen our hospitals, jails, social services and schools adversely affected by the flood of illegal immigrants…..not that you would know…..
May 30th, 2007 at 2:12 pm“Haven’t there also been instances where Dobbs cited as fact the maps and statement of some right-wing hate group that Mexican immigrants were trying to re-fight the Mexican-American War?”
-Comment by attaturk
Well, because they are. For starters, have you read all of the inflammatory comments made by crazy mexican professors and politicians (those coming out of Texas and California, for example)? It’s not “right-wing hate groups” inventing these statements, its the “right-wing hate groups” pointing out the vision of the left-wing hate groups. Do your homework before you speak.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThe difference between liberals and conservatives? Liberals learn and respect learning. Conservatives mutter about liberal universities.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 30, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
Excellent observation, Bruce.
Comment by KRank — May 30, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Right you guys are, real education and intellect are both a danger to conservatism. As is independent thinking.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:14 pm#30 Well Bruce, to put a finer point on it. It is not that love being lied to, as much as it is cognitive dissonance blocking reality from them.
Their ideology is so lacking in rationality that they must always rely on cognitive dissonance to prevent their belief system from crashing like a cheap hard drive.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:14 pmBruce – Living in San Diego, I can attest to the problems resulting from illegal immigration. We have seen our hospitals, jails, social services and schools adversely affected by the flood of illegal immigrants…..not that you would know…..
Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
How about the problems cause by bulimic meth addicts? There something you have some real experience on.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:16 pmThe difference between liberals and conservatives? Liberals learn and respect learning. Conservatives mutter about liberal universities.
Comment by Bruce Gorton
Well, Mr. Gorton, many conservatives have extensively pursued a college education and have been successfull at it, including life-long learning. When inflammatory social leftist speak dominates the college system over a firm preparation for the rigors of the workforce, it’s not too much to wonder if you/your children are getting the education that was paid for. Learning encompasses all sides of the spectrum, not just deep-rooted social jargon.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:21 pmComment by Shane
Illegal aliens love meth, too. Keep your happy talk up, why don’t you?
May 30th, 2007 at 2:22 pmShane. I’m conservative. I’m here challenging myself with differing viewpoints. You are here surrounded by comfortably like-minded thought.
Is it really true that independant thinking is the exclusive domain of liberals?
May 30th, 2007 at 2:25 pmOn their live webchat, will the SPLC be disclosing that they have an indirect link to the MexicanGovernment? They’re a member of group which is led by someone with a series of links to that government.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:26 pmCoincidentally today’s breaking news surge includes a guy with TB flying internationally.
Here ’s some old news. If you’re flying internationally or on a last leg domestic flight everyone traveling from swamp land hither to swamp land yon need to have your vaccination card up to date.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:27 pmHi,
“We have a cure for leprosy. It is easily treatable.†Thanks for posting that fact. I thought leprosy had died out, but with further research I found this:
http://www.searo.who.int/en/Section10/Section20/Section2002_9880.htm
Leprosy has reduced by almost 90% over the last 20 years. Over 15 million cases have been detected and cured worldwide. About 0.3 million new cases were detected during the year 2005. At the beginning of 2006, the global leprosy prevalence was about 0.2 million cases. The South-East Asia Region accounted for about 60% of these cases.
Regards,
Coral
http://www.coralpoetry.blogspot.com
May 30th, 2007 at 2:28 pm20 and 37:
Everyone who thinks that reconquista/Aztlan sentiments are just a right-wing myth should see this picture: tinyurl.com/yubcvd
May 30th, 2007 at 2:29 pmIf they don’t have leprosy, then we must not have an immigration problem. I’ll sleep better now. You guys are idiots.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:32 pmComment by CaptainMantastic
Shane’s a drive-by thug. This one is a close-minded pit-bull, watch out.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:35 pmGosh! I thought immigrants brought Christianity to America. Oh, and smallpox.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI’m conservative. I’m here challenging myself with differing viewpoints. You are here surrounded by comfortably like-minded thought.
Is it really true that independant thinking is the exclusive domain of liberals?
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 30, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Captain, welcome. Although you responded to Shane, could I offer a thought?
I don’t think anyone here (at least no one to be taken seriously) would argue that independent thinking is the exclusive domain of liberals.
What the statement reflects is a public persona built on the images of prominent conservative figures who seem to embrace a fortress-like mentality on so many issues and a political machine that clearly values loyalty and conformity to message above comptence and truth.
On a deeper level, the hallmark of a true liberal mind (as opposed to the cartoonish “liberal” straw man that right-wing figureheads like Rush or O’Reilly promote) is one that values wide-ranging possibilities of thought. It’s the foundation of the “liberal education” on which this nation was built. It’s the foundation of “western liberalism” that even conservatives would like to see take root in Middle Eastern cultures.
Conservatives can absolutely value independent thinking. I cheer when I see them do so. because that means that we can actually have a conversation about issues that matter.
Unfortunately, not many of the conservative posters here fall into that category. I hope you stick around and contribute.
May 30th, 2007 at 2:40 pmHey valiant venus, I live in San Diego too. For the most part, the “problems” with illegal immigration have little to do with immigration status and everything to do with poverty. Guess what, they’re the underclass of our town. It wouldn’t matter if they were Whites from Oklahoma, because the problems would still be the same.
You have to also remember that the biggest source of revenue for the state is sales tax, not income tax. They pay the taxes regardless of immigration status, and they’re prohibited from receiving state benefits.
And even with that, when was the last time someone in San Diego got leprosy? Never. Do you want to do an archive search at the Union-Tribune or should I?
May 30th, 2007 at 2:43 pmCaptainMantastic
Just because we are anti-war doesn’t mean we are anti-action. There are other things one can do, including working towards emancipating the foreign worker by secretly funding unions, setting up strong universities to educate young Muslims, putting forward the idea of the small being important.
Don’t buy goods made using child labour. Boycott companies that dodge labour laws by going to countries where they can treat their workers worse. Make America’s principles above reproach by being above reproach.
The big trick is to be subtle, the unions must fight for the workers, not their financial backers, the universities must teach the truth, not their backers’ doctrine, the small must always come first because ultimately that is what Western idealism is all about.
We need to recognise that the west, much as though the right tries to imply the opposite and then prove themselves right whenever given the chance, is not degenerate. Our idealogy is based on the strong protecting the weak, on strength being more a reflection of what you make, then what you break.
We note the difference between having the power to do whatever we want, and the strength not to if it harms those around us. We respect strength, we are suspicious of power.
valiant venus
I live in South Africa. Zimbabwe is right on the border.
And you are trying to tell me I don’t know about about illegal immigration?
May 30th, 2007 at 2:46 pmFear mongering for the repukian idiots, plain and simple.
VV you are just as stupid today as every other day.
Hating the Repukian Mafia daily
May 30th, 2007 at 2:47 pmComment by CaptainMantastic — May 30, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
“… I’m conservative. I’m here challenging myself with differing viewpoints.”
Now if THAT isn’t a self-absorbant, self-justifying, unreal, rationalization by an apologist for what needs to be CHANGED in this country, I’ve never heard it!
And, in my time, I’ve heard LOTS of rationaliztions by folks (like Lou Dobbs, who, unlike YOU is the TOPIC of this thread) who whined about, misrepresented, dinigrated, and flat-out LIED about, the progressive changes I supported and fought for.
So OFF of YOU as the topic, little troll, I told CNN the following:
There have NOT been 7,000 cases of leprosy in the last 3 years. It was in the last THIRTY years!
And NO ONE knows what portion of those cases were undocumented workers. (If being undocumented is against the law, we should CHANGE the law! If nothing else, so that Lou Dobbs will have to stop calling them ILLEGAL with a lynching, psychotic gleam in his eye!)
Dobbs is a bully. And he is a liar. He needs to be off the air.
When do you plan to issue a correction to this LIE? When do you plan to fire the bullying liar, Dobbs?
May 30th, 2007 at 2:48 pmYou know, my mother actually contracted some kind of leprosy on her hand after a horse accident. The hooves had crushed her hand and Dr.s assumed thats where the disease originated. She was in quarantine for about 2 weeks and HEAVY drugs after for about 6 mo. It was the weirdest thing i’d ever seen!
Check out Christopher Ruddy
May 30th, 2007 at 3:00 pmBruce – Zimbabweans and our uninvited illegal aliens are a direct result of HORRIBLE governance. (Mexico is now ruled by the drug cartel, which in turn, corrupts the politics, military and police of this once charming country.)
**Note to Capt. Mantastic**: As a conservative, you will be lucky if the ideologues here at TP challenge you, but it is fun to play in their sandbox from time to time. Ignore the “we hate the trolls!” drivel – TP loves us because those threads often generate the most argument. How many times can a Prog agree with another Prog before the yawning and nodding off begins? Glad you’re here!!
May 30th, 2007 at 3:01 pmJim – As a fellow San Diegan, would you please illustrate where ALLL that sales tax has bailed out our hospitals, jails and schools?? I don’t disagree with you about the poverty issue – but why would anyone SEEK to import MORE poverty?? And you gotta love the kids from across the border who come to school in San Ysidro and Chula Vista everyday…..In short the problem with Mexico is not “the people”….it is the acceptance and celebration of a Mafia style drug-lord government complete with headless bodies in Rosarito, dead newspaper publishers and corrupt cops shaking down Americans.
I think the kindest thing we could do for Mexico is annex it – make it our 51st State, arrest the politicians and kill the drug lords, institute free schooling and a fair tax system and auction off Pemex……
May 30th, 2007 at 3:11 pm**Note to Capt. Mantastic**: As a conservative, you will be lucky if the ideologues here at TP challenge you, but it is fun to play in their sandbox from time to time. Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Spelling, and second grade grammar – challenges *you* – st*pid c*nt.
Ignore the “we hate the trolls!†drivel – TP loves us because those threads often generate the most argument. Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
TP loves actual *discussions*, which t*rds like you in the punchbowl prevent. When you *grow* a brain, and are capable of a real debate – TP will adore you. Till then, like all of the *garbage*, I’m here to take you out, and throw you in the dump – period!
How many times can a Prog agree with another Prog before the yawning and nodding off begins? Glad you’re here!! Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Sounds like those *wingnut* sites you should be posting on. No wonder you are *here* were debate, dissent and your lunatic posts are allowed to exist… YAWN is right. You and your wingnut friends post the SAME BORING b*llsh*t you can find on dozens of your wingnut sites.
What people come to *read* is us belittling you and your little inbred dum bass selves… Don’t worry, we’ll *always* do that, whether you’re here or not – boring guhrl…. ZZZZzzzzz…..
May 30th, 2007 at 3:13 pmI think the kindest thing we could do for Mexico is annex it – make it our 51st State, arrest the politicians and kill the drug lords, institute free schooling and a fair tax system and auction off Pemex…… Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
So you’re suggesting we get rid of THEIR republicans? Can we do the same thing in the other 50 states? Because a *fair* tax system would mean one that wealthy f*cks like you WANT to be pay their *fair* share relative to their means. Or did you mean *fair* as in only fair to those that can afford to pervert it? St*pid c*nt.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:14 pmhterrya
There is a contingent of “conservatives” who are actually liberals who don’t know what liberalism is really all about.
They do not realise that liberalism is about trying to change the world for the better, that it isn’t so much a single set of ideas, as a profound mix of ideas covering the full spectrum of human experience.
They think liberalism they think political correctness, in the extreme sense it was perverted to by petty power pushers rather then the true sense it was intended to be, namely simply being civil.
They think that they are conservatives, who disagree with some issues like creationism being given the same credence as evolution, or gay people having the right to get married, or even social issues which they rarely think about – but in truth when injustice is done and they know of it they will march shoulder to shoulder with any liberal to see that injustice corrected.
They think that we are in favour of promiscuity, when really when you get right down to it we are in favour of people minding their own business when it comes to other people’s sex lives. Frankly, I don’t care about what President Bush does in his bedroom and I would rather not see the pictures, and when you get right down to it, on a case to case basis nor do these “conservatives.”
They disagree with us on a lot of issues, and so do other liberals. Katy and I basically disagree on the Greens, I feel voting for them is a good option if you do not believe either of the big parties will take your concerns seriously, she would rather not risk the Republicans putting in another GW Bush.
So when you deal with a conservative being polite and reasonable, recognise that you could be dealing with a liberal who just doesn’t realise that he is a liberal.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:15 pmMexico is now ruled by the drug cartel, which in turn, corrupts the politics, military and police of this once charming country.
Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Charming and FULL of poor, oppresed people, who are longing to breathe free in the U.S., not knowing that Lou Dobbs’ ancestors had gotten there first, so Lou could incite MOBS to slam the U.S. door in their faces!
Virulent (but not 7,000 cases in 3 years) venus: I see you are still here crapping in the “sandbox.” You clearly are shallow enough to think of people living (and dying) in poverty as “charming” and your hate-filled sniping at those who take this seriously as “playing.” Pathetic Troll.
You make the bullying liar, Dobbs, look decent and humane.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:19 pmHterrya – You remind me of the Spanish conquitadors and their plundering of the poor indigenous Indians – you know those “great” cultures where human sacrifice was the religious ceremony of the day…..
May 30th, 2007 at 3:22 pm#29 Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
The NYT LOVES illegal aliens and has an agenda promoting the dissolution of the US/Mexico border. How else will they increase their sagging subscription numbers and flagging credibility?
Tsk tsk. VV, can’t you do any better than this? Look, as the head troll around here you are supposed to set the example for all the other poor trollies. Don’t let down just because you’ve reached the top! What will they say back at the locker room at the gym? Sigh… I’ve come to expect better…This is a sad! I’m disappointed in you.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:23 pmMA are you talking about the great civilizations of 15th Century Christendom – where clouds looked like the Virgin Mary and Grannies were firewood? Your arrogance is showing again.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:28 pmBruce Gorton: You are doing a good job of dealing with those who label themselves conservative, erroneously.
Lou Dobbs, the subject of this thread, has an agenda that cannot be reasoned with. Leslie Stahl tried. She failed. Many people tried in the U.S. and South Africa tried to deal with a segregationists and apartheid proponents using reason. Eventually, confrontation was necessary.
You reason. I’ll confront.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:29 pm#31 Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 30, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
We are right to resist because of inflammatory statements like yours, and you have forfeited your right to complain against “white folks.†Stupid bum racist.
BwaaaaHaaaaHaaaa
Keep it up you sad case of a stand up comic. I laugh AT your incredible logic and reasoning all the time. BUT THIS ONE!…
BwaaaHaaaHaaaaaaa
Just cracks me up….
May 30th, 2007 at 3:29 pmCNN and Paula Zahn are so f*&^%$# obsessed with racial issues and can’t stand to watch that station any more.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:35 pmI’m conservative. I’m here challenging myself with differing viewpoints. You are here surrounded by comfortably like-minded thought.
Is it really true that independant thinking is the exclusive domain of liberals?
Comment by CaptainMantastic
And there is nothing on a conservative site you disagree with, right? I would like to be surrounded by like-minded progressives. However most days we are practically outnumbered by trolls like you. Why don’t you start a site and we’ll come argue with you there. But this has to be the dumbest argument ever from somebody who regularly argues her.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:36 pmShane’s a drive-by thug. This one is a close-minded pit-bull, watch out.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
I’ll go with thug, sissyboy, but drive-by? Arf, arf, arf … run, flee, hurryhurry, before I get you both!
May 30th, 2007 at 3:39 pm#31 Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 30, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Now that my eyes are dry after laughing, I have big news for you! Check out this definition.
From the dictionary:
satire |ˈsaËŒtÄ«r| noun the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
Do you get it now? About why you are such a joke around here? Sigh… I didn’t think you would. Ah, but then, none are so blind but those who refuse to see.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:41 pmGosh! I thought immigrants brought Christianity to America. Oh, and smallpox.
Comment by david
And david aren’t Mexicans all Christians. God there’s no pleasing these neocons. Do you think they’ll be happy when the Iraqi immigrants, brought here by Bush’s failure, get here? Or should I say another Bush failure since he’s the one who stopped checking for undocumented workers six years ago.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:42 pmIt doesn’t matter how many illness and deaths illegals bring. What matters is that they are illegal and should be deported for breaking the law. It has nothing to do with this petty matter.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:43 pmTurdle – Like many vapid liberals, you try (but fail miserably) to impose contemporary thinking on 15th Century exploration. To be sure, the ruthless conquistadores were like Mary Poppins compared to the fun and games of head-bowling and beating heart removal. Thank you for adding….nothing relevant to the illegal immigration discussion.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#33 Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 30, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
You’re probably right that you can’t force democracy, but can you facilitate it?
By setting a positive example comes to mind. What Bushco has done is destroy the good name of Democracy. Actively interfering in the governance of another country is not only wrong but it is totally non productive.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:46 pm“I would like to be surrounded by like-minded progressives….”
Comment by shane
No kidding!!! (I realize it’s easier to memorize the “talking points” if everyone around you repeats them endlessly.) Go join a political campaign….I hardly ever go into that arena of enemy territory….
May 30th, 2007 at 3:46 pmI think the kindest thing we could do for Mexico is annex it – make it our 51st State, arrest the politicians and kill the drug lords, institute free schooling and a fair tax system and auction off Pemex……
Comment by valiant venus
Aha, a neocon looking for ANOTHER war zone. You people are out of your freakin’ minds.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:46 pm#61 Well put Gordon, thats it exactly – the repukian smear machine from the likes of BO and Rush are what most conservatives think, not knowing that they are liars and make crap up.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:47 pmTurdle – Like many vapid liberals, you try (but fail miserably) to impose contemporary thinking on 15th Century exploration. Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Osama Ben Venus – like many VAPID Conservatives, you try (but fail miserably) to impose 15th Century *religious*, *ignorant* and *bigoted* thinking, on contemporary life.
To be sure, the ruthless conquistadores were like Mary Poppins compared to the fun and games of head-bowling and beating heart removal. Thank you for adding….nothing relevant to the illegal immigration discussion. Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
To be sure, you’d be among the ruthless conquistadors (you misspelled another word you were trying to use to appear *smart*) if you could – right there removing the heads and hearts of every – what’s the word you us – Koranimal you could!!! Imagine that! You have the *same* values as the 16th century MURDERS OF MEXICO – aren’t you proud – Osama Ben Venus?
Thank you for adding….nothing relevent to the *immigrant* discussion.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:48 pmIt doesn’t matter how many illness and deaths illegals bring. What matters is that they are illegal and should be deported for breaking the law. It has nothing to do with this petty matter. Comment by Roger_Roger — May 30, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Mexicans are mostly “Native Americans”. Where are we again – oh that’s right AMERICA!!! They have more right of “RETURN” to the US, that Jews do to Israel!!!! Yet here you and Osama Ben Venus are spouting your Anti-Native-American B*llsh*t hatred – as usual. F*ck you – Roger Roger and the Osama Ben Venus’s Horses *ss you rode in on!
May 30th, 2007 at 3:50 pm#39 Comment by j swift — May 30, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Their ideology is so lacking in rationality that they must always rely on cognitive dissonance to prevent their belief system from crashing like a cheap hard drive.
Are you trying to insult cheap hard drives?
May 30th, 2007 at 3:50 pmyou know those “great†cultures where human sacrifice was the religious ceremony of the day…..
Comment by valiant venus
You mean like the human sacrifice your president makes of our brave soldiers by not providing them with the equipment and arms they request?
May 30th, 2007 at 3:50 pmhterrya
This thread is about Lou Dobbs being a liar. I see no value in reasoning with liars, and frankly I am every bit as confrontational with the trolls as anybody else here.
Heck, I am somewhat nastier to them then you are sometimes. I don’t tolerate being lied to, I don’t treat people who come on here simply to bandy insults well and people who don’t have their own opinions but rather rely on talking points annoy me every bit as much as people who quote philosophers at me.
But when my first experience of a “conservative” is one of him being genuinely polite, I will reason and argue. I enjoy arguing, it sharpens my mind and helps me shape my view of the world, after all I am as capable of being as wrong as the next man, and while I will stick to my guns until I am convinced that I am wrong, I can be convinced that I was wrong.
Of course, my other major weakness, apart from being a touch dogmatic at times, is my tendency to preach.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:50 pmPssst... a note to newer conservatives here – Rarely do we engage in the resident vulgarian here at TP. It’s not polite to stare but discussing anything with the poor dear seems to set off the Tourette’s syndrome. Compassionately conservative, we applaud his mom for getting him a computer and we ignore him as much as we can…..Pooor thing!
May 30th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWhen it comes to immigration, leftists are braindead. And no, Shane, the responsibility of this country isn’t to bring in Iraqi immigrants. It’s their responsibility to pull themselves out of their own third-world state and become their own standing country. Anticipating third-world vs. first-world gets you drooling, I know, but it clearly isn’t feasible.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:51 pmNo kidding!!! (I realize it’s easier to memorize the “talking points†if everyone around you repeats them endlessly.) Go join a political campaign….I hardly ever go into that arena of enemy territory….
Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Yeah, like we don’t see the b*llsh*t DAILY from you, your MSM media campaign, your r*t*rded blogs, and your b*llsh*t! You ARE the enemy of us, of this COUNTRY, of AMERICAN VALUES – you TERRORIST C*NT!
Here YOU ARE repeating your “TALKING POINTS”, and out of PURE HYPOCRISY – and PROJECTION claiming it’s others that are doing it!!! You’re such a st*pid c*nt – AnOReXiA GuhRLLL!!! ZZZZZ….
May 30th, 2007 at 3:51 pmTsk tsk. VV, can’t you do any better than this? Look, as the head troll around here you are supposed to set the example for all the other poor trollies. Don’t let down just because you’ve reached the top! What will they say back at the locker room at the gym? Sigh… I’ve come to expect better…This is a sad! I’m disappointed in you.
Comment by Merlin — May 30, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Gee Merlin, I thought VV was the “gives head troll” not the “head troll”.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:52 pmR-2, “this petty matter” in this thread is actually about Dobbs’s lack of integrity and respect for the truth. He reported erroneous statistics on the air and then essentially said that if he reported it, it must be true.
The “petty matter”, as much as you’d like to make it about immigration, is actually about holding journalists accountable for what they report.
Maybe you’re comfortable in a world where “news personalities” can say whatever they feel like with no consequences when they’re wrong. After all, it certainly worked for the Republicans for six years. But the rest of us would prefer that news organizations uphold their obligation to be accurate in what they report. We think the whole “news cycle” thing works better that way. Yeah, I know — crazy, huh?
May 30th, 2007 at 3:54 pmthe woman is so dumb she would argue with a doorknob
May 30th, 2007 at 3:54 pmPssst… a note to newer conservatives here – Rarely do we engage in the resident vulgarian here at TP. Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Pssst…. a note to the rest of the Conservative Wingnuts Here. Osama Ben Venus is a st*pid c*nt, that makes DEAD BABY JOKES about her own FABRICATED CHILDREN. Calls for MASS MURDER, GENOCIDE, TORTURE and MURDER. All the while is OFTEN VULGAR to others around her. And believes that because she’s a CONSERVATIVE, that she’s “PURE” while those that call her a ST*PID C*NT for her VULGARITY are the VULGAR ONES!!! BAHAHAHA, She’s Such a St*pid C*nt!!!!!
It’s not polite to stare but discussing anything with the poor dear seems to set off the Tourette’s syndrome. Compassionately conservative, we applaud his mom for getting him a computer and we ignore him as much as we can…..Pooor thing! Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
But the MOST IRONIC thing is her INCESSANT POSTINGS of the SAME TALKING POINTS, the SAME “HIS MOM SAYS” B*llsH*t, and the SAME BORING RAMBLING PROJECTIONS ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz……. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN – has deluded the poor st*pid c*nt into thinking she’s anything but a third string hack that’s nothing more than NeoNaziCon toilet paper – spreading their sh*t….
How SAD for HER/HIM/IT!!!
May 30th, 2007 at 3:55 pmIt’s their responsibility to pull themselves out of their own third-world state and become their own standing country. Anticipating third-world vs. first-world gets you drooling, I know, but it clearly isn’t feasible.Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 30, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Uh, Dum Bass, that’s what they’re *trying* to do – why do you think they’re in the process of kicking out an OCCUPYING ARMY? You’re a st*pid as Osama Ben Venus!
May 30th, 2007 at 3:56 pmGo join a political campaign….I hardly ever go into that arena of enemy territory….
Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
I already have joined a political campaign you dim-witted nutjob. And when I NEED to take advice from the scumsucking likes of you, I’ll just shoot myself.
May 30th, 2007 at 3:58 pm“Its your reality, not the reality”
“Well, how so?”
What a BRILLIANT finisher
May 30th, 2007 at 4:04 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
I think I know what they’re *trying* to do. My response was to those who advocate resettling hundreds of thousands – even millions – of Iraqi refugees to this country at a time when Iraq needs the citizenry to sustain itself.
May 30th, 2007 at 4:04 pm#58 Comment by valiant venus — May 30, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
I think the kindest thing we could do for Mexico is annex it – make it our 51st State, arrest the politicians and kill the drug lords, institute free schooling and a fair tax system and auction off Pemex……
Oh VV, there you go again! Continuing to disappoint me. You need to use a little imagination here. Get yourself a nice frothy cup of what ever trolls drink and wake up. You sound like you are talking in your sleep here. Try and clean this silly thought up a bit and repost. I mean, it really doesn’t make any sense. tsk, tsk.
May 30th, 2007 at 4:08 pmI think I know what they’re *trying* to do. My response was to those who advocate resettling hundreds of thousands – even millions – of Iraqi refugees to this country at a time when Iraq needs the citizenry to sustain itself.Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 30, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Maybe we should have thought of that before we f*cked up their country? Oh wait – *WE* did think of that!!! But you f*cking idiots wouldn’t listen!!!!
May 30th, 2007 at 4:12 pmIt’s the Iraqis fault that we have to stay there.
If the Iraqis hadn’t made us blow up so much of their infrastructure, then maybe they could pull themselves up by whatever scraps of material they have left to use as bootstraps. That’s what Ronald Reagan would have done.
Bill Clinton said there were WMDs.
May 30th, 2007 at 4:15 pmComment by Merlin
Lefties who can’t face the grim reality of our nations immigration problem would, of course, consider my words to be “satire.” I’m glad you’ve finished laughing, because you do have those, you should know, who aren’t finished suffering because of criminal illegal aliens. I know that in my own town, so keep wearing your blinders.
Refering to a dictionary and typing it word-for-word onto this post doesn’t make you look any smarter, by the way. Continue being a half-witted moron in denial, it’ll catch up to you. Whether you “take me seriously” won’t spoil my dinner, you can bet on that.
May 30th, 2007 at 4:15 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
I’m Sorry, but this country can’t afford to take them in. It’s not mandatory for us to do so, the left just seems to think so. They wouldn’t mind millions of Iraqi’s relocating here even if there was no Iraq engagement.
May 30th, 2007 at 4:18 pmCompTROLLER V-1
When it comes to immigration, righties see the need to turn it into an issue of entire racial groups being inferior, rather then simply a matter of law enforcement.
In order to enforce the law, the right seems to feel one has to hate the ones the law is being enforced against.
May 30th, 2007 at 4:33 pm#97 Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 30, 2007 @ 4:15 pm“
You spewed:
Refering to a dictionary and typing it word-for-word onto this post doesn’t make you look any smarter, by the way. Continue being a half-witted moron in denial, it’ll catch up to you. Whether you “take me seriously†won’t spoil my dinner, you can bet on that.
I shouldn’t laugh at you like that. Hurts my head. Hmmm… maybe you are comprehension challenged. As I said in my other post, I knew you wouldn’t understand why you are a laughing stock. But OK, I will explain it sloooow and simple. now sit down, and listen closely…
You see this quote below? No,no, you are looking up! Look down. Good, now that I have your attention, read it again and then I will continue below the quote. Got that? OK, now read…
Qoute:Comment by j swift — May 30, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
“…Bad thing for white folks, Bad things for white folks, Bad things for white folks. C’mon everyone join in, Bad things for white folks, Bad things for white folks…â€
This is called satire. Repeat after me S-A-T-I-R-E. What you wrote was not satire! You wouldn’t know satire if bit you in the leg. Got it now? The other poster wrote the satire and you didn’t get that it was satire. Get it now TP laughingstock?
You are a humorless bigot who is so full of yourself you don’t know how full of it you really are. Your capacity to separate fact from prejudice, left with the trash truck years ago.
As far as trolls go you don’t begin to carry even their slimy water.
May 30th, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe many Comments by Bruce Gorton
I enjoy your posts Bruce. Thanks for your thoughts. I learn from you!
May 30th, 2007 at 5:07 pmLook, I actually tend to agree with Dobbs on many things, but he makes these outrageous comments that dig him deeper and deeper into a hole. Saying that Americans should not be celebrating their heritage (Irish, Italian Festivals), Ann Coulter is the Right’s Michael Moore, and telling Randi Rhodes that Democrats want to spread personal wealth. The guy goes into La La Land when he’s actually on a point and then has an embarrassing moment, just like the one here. He really needs to get his shit in order.
May 30th, 2007 at 5:23 pmEven this ‘correction’ is faulty. The 7,000 cases SUDDENLY appeard in 1985 — the year that the computer entry into the new database was completed.
That’s the only reason there is a 30 year statistic.
Consequently, there are NOT 7,000 diagnosed cases in the last 30 years. There are 7,000 total entries into a database drawn from every state, and those cases may have been diagnosed twenty or thirty years earlier (the listing is theoretically of surviving victims of the disease).
Transmissibility of Hansen’s disease is JUST ABOUT NIL. Patients taking the course of antibiotics (generally two drugs simultaneously) become non-contagious within days. It is NOT transmitted by air, and in fact reguliar intensive PHYSICAL contact generally fails to transmit the disease. Something like 90% of all persons are naturally immune to the disease in any case.
Lou Dobbs is a RACIST. His theories of racial purity, his view of America as being a VOLK — with a unique culture threatened by immigration — rather than a liberal democracy founded on law, is basic to racist models.
“The nation was not a citizenry defined by common political rights and duties, but rather a Volk defined by a common cultural heritage…German racist thinkers in the twentieth century simply carried [the philosopher] Herder’s views to their ugly, caricatural extreme when they advocated purging society of elements declared alien according to the criterion of culture conceived as a natural attribute.” (Anchor, The Enlightenment Tradition)
I live in Los Angeles, probably the most integrated city in the world. Only the RACISTS pose a problem for our society. The Latinos who have ALWAYS been here (for 400 years at least) are not the problem, but shutting the border has FORCED THEM TO STAY HERE RATHER THAN RETURN HOME AFTER MAKING SOME MONEY.
The rightwing racists like Dobbs have made our situation WORSE.
Why isn’t that surprising.
May 30th, 2007 at 5:33 pmI already have joined a political campaign you dim-witted nutjob. And when I NEED to take advice from the scumsucking likes of you, I’ll just shoot myself.
Comment by Shane
I’ll shoot you first. :D
Jeebus, the trolls are SUPER WHINY today.
May 30th, 2007 at 5:44 pmLeprosy is easily treated and curable.
Comment by Zooey — May 30, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Zooey are you making the implication that the disease of leprosy is not that bad since it is treatable so you would not take steps to protect yourself or anyone?
May 30th, 2007 at 7:29 pmLeprosy is easily treated and curable.
Comment by Zooey — May 30, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Zooey, I wanted to ask again are you making the implication that the disease of leprosy is not that bad since it is treatable so you would not take steps to protect yourself or anyone?
May 30th, 2007 at 8:16 pm“Leprosy is easily treated and curable.
Comment by Zooey — May 30, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
Zooey, I wanted to ask again are you making the implication that the disease of leprosy is not that bad since it is treatable so you would not take steps to protect yourself or anyone?
Comment by Saywho — May 30, 2007 @ 8:16 pm”
I think Zooey ‘dropped off’ this thread a long time ago…..
May 30th, 2007 at 8:21 pmSaywho, I’ll repeat: “Transmissibility of Hansen’s disease is JUST ABOUT NIL. Patients taking the course of antibiotics (generally two drugs simultaneously) become non-contagious within days. It is NOT transmitted by air, and in fact reguliar intensive PHYSICAL contact generally fails to transmit the disease. Something like 90% of all persons are naturally immune to the disease in any case.”
If YOU get TB, or Hansen’s, then just comfort yourself that God is punishing you for your sins.
May 30th, 2007 at 8:22 pmI’m Sorry, but this country can’t afford to take them in. It’s not mandatory for us to do so, the left just seems to think so. They wouldn’t mind millions of Iraqi’s relocating here even if there was no Iraq engagement. Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 30, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
One could argue that Israel is no condition to take all of the Jews that have displaced the Palestinians – but I bet you are “inconsistent” on your views on that?
You do realize we’re a HUGE nation, and now you don’t want the *consequences* of taking over another country? So much for that “personal responsibility and sacrifice” we hear so much from you whiny hypocrites! War on the cheap, occupation on the cheap, cheap selfish dum bass is what YOU are.
May 30th, 2007 at 9:11 pmSaywho, I’ll repeat: “Transmissibility of Hansen’s disease is JUST ABOUT NIL. Patients taking the course of antibiotics (generally two drugs simultaneously) become non-contagious within days. It is NOT transmitted by air, and in fact reguliar(SIC) intensive PHYSICAL contact generally fails to transmit the disease. Something like 90% of all persons are naturally immune to the disease in any case.â€
If YOU get TB, or Hansen’s, then just comfort yourself that God is punishing you for your sins.
Comment by Paul in LA — May 30, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
I appreciate that Paul however my question was directed to Zooey. I rather not debate you on any of the immigration subjects Paul since the facts that I see disagree with your statements above. Now regarding various diseases. There are immigration laws that compel legal immigrants to receive a basic medical inspection (they have to pay for it).
What do medical examinations include?
Physical examination: Applicants are required to have a physical examination (to include complete disrobing), and a mental status evaluation
Tuberculin (TB) skin test: All applicants two years of age and older are required to have a Tuberculin skin test (TST)
Serologic (blood) test: All applicants 15 years of age and older are required to have serologic (blood) tests for HIV and for syphilis. Applicants under age 15 can be tested for HIV or syphilis if there is reason to suspect the possibility of infection. Civil Surgeons and Panel Physicians are required to provide pre-test counseling to all applicants who take the HIV test. If you are found to have HIV infection, the Civil Surgeon must provide you with post-test counseling
Vaccinations: Most applicants need to show that they are current with all vaccinations recommended by the U.S. public health officials…
Illegal aliens receive none of these tests and many times receive care in hospitals as indigents. This care is later paid for by tax payers in elevated tax rates and inflation. Should an alien transmit TB to one of the citizens than another American becomes sick or injured and will have to pay for his or her own health care and live with any lingering effects.
Approx. 3000 US citizens are killed each year by aliens. Gangs like MS13 have invaded all of the states now. Nican Tlaca claim to be the, “True Owners of This Continent!” There are many other groups and their mission statements are essentially declarations of war.
Supporting legal immigration protects the immigrant and Americans.
May 30th, 2007 at 9:15 pmOne could argue that Israel is no condition to take all of the Jews that have displaced the Palestinians – but I bet you are “inconsistent†on your views on that?
You do realize we’re a HUGE nation, and now you don’t want the *consequences* of taking over another country? So much for that “personal responsibility and sacrifice†we hear so much from you whiny hypocrites! War on the cheap, occupation on the cheap, cheap selfish dum bass is what YOU are.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 30, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
What does Israel have to do with the INS? What purpose do your ad hominem attacks serve?
May 30th, 2007 at 9:18 pmjust heard on AirAmericaRadio news:
LOU DOBBS JUST ADMITTED HE MADE A MISTAKE
ABOUT THIS TB STORY…
his sourse has/had ties to white supremicist group…
… huh…
May 30th, 2007 at 9:58 pmThe mystery is Dobbs is married to a Mexican, very odd behavior from someone who should be even more enlightened on Mexican issues than the average bucktoothed redneck. I’ve written to CNN requesting he be fired, I suggest others with higher principles do the same until his vile, hate show is off the air!
May 30th, 2007 at 11:00 pmThe mystery is Dobbs is married to a Mexican, very odd behavior from someone who should be even more enlightened on Mexican issues than the average bucktoothed redneck. I’ve written to CNN requesting he be fired, I suggest others with higher principles do the same until his vile, hate show is off the air!
Comment by Jim K — May 30, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
Legal immigration is not the issue and if they are married that is the other way in. They might be in love for all we know? Illegal immigration represents a breakdown of law and order. Since they are married she is in and there is nothing illegal about that. If she scams him we all get hurt but it is still legal. There is still a waiting period but it is a formality.
Lots of business people (men and women) get mail order spouses and this amounts to a sort of indentured servant sort of relationship. Nannies from England, Ireland, Africa, etc. are all indentured servants but they get in at the end.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:24 pm“I rather not debate you on any of the immigration subjects Paul since the facts that I see disagree with your statements above.”
Yeah, that’s the problem with scientific facts, versus the BULLSHIT you are eating with a spoon.
As for “Approx. 3000 US citizens are killed each year by aliens,” what a surprise it would be to consider that in 2004, St. Petersburg Florida reported 4,051 murders. 3,000 murders would be a good year for St. Pete.
Since 99% of those ‘U.S. citizens’ are probably FELLOW GANG MEMBERS, the numbers you get from WorldNet Daily are the source of your argument, but not the source of your RACISM. That is found in your worm-eaten heart, in the place where you trade your contempt for yourself, for an outside enemy you can feel REAL PROUD attacking with all the teeth and squealing of an army of pigs.
May 30th, 2007 at 11:54 pmYeah, that’s the problem with scientific facts, versus the BULLSHIT you are eating with a spoon.
As for “Approx. 3000 US citizens are killed each year by aliens,†what a surprise it would be to consider that in 2004, St. Petersburg Florida reported 4,051 murders. 3,000 murders would be a good year for St. Pete.
Since 99% of those ‘U.S. citizens’ are probably FELLOW GANG MEMBERS, the numbers you get from WorldNet Daily are the source of your argument, but not the source of your RACISM. That is found in your worm-eaten heart, in the place where you trade your contempt for yourself, for an outside enemy you can feel REAL PROUD attacking with all the teeth and squealing of an army of pigs.
Comment by Paul in LA — May 30, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
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“Yeah, that’s the problem with scientific facts, versus the BULLSHIT you are eating with a spoon.”
Typical ad hominem attack and you offered nothing.
“As for “Approx. 3000 US citizens are killed each year by aliens,†what a surprise it would be to consider that in 2004, St. Petersburg Florida reported 4,051 murders. 3,000 murders would be a good year for St. Pete.”
That was the king of ad hominem attacks. The 3000 may in fact be an adjusted part of Florida’s statistics? If illegal aliens were not in this country those 3000 people might not have been killed? Since you support the invasion you are responsible in part for the 3000 deaths based on your statment.
“Since 99% of those ‘U.S. citizens’ are probably FELLOW GANG MEMBERS, the numbers you get from WorldNet Daily are the source of your argument, but not the source of your RACISM. That is found in your worm-eaten heart, in the place where you trade your contempt for yourself, for an outside enemy you can feel REAL PROUD attacking with all the teeth and squealing of an army of pigs.”
The Mexica-movement located at http://www.mexica-movement.org/ does not accept white or black members. They declare that the USA belongs to them and they are the Nican Tlaca.
MEChA subscribes to Mexica’s war declaration and indoctrinates Latino youth into the movement. They do not have non Nican Tlaca members and require Spanish (no whites or blacks need apply).
MS 13 is now considered The Most Dangerous Gang in America and consists of Salvadorans for the most part but accepts only Latino members. Their weapon of choice is the machete and they are in all states now. Search for “MS 13″ on Google, Youtube and there are endless images, videos and horror stories. Most are illegal aliens.
I mentioned that I didn’t want to debate with you and this is why. You have no debate to offer and your comment about those 3000 dead is inhuman. Rather than posting facts you go the ad hominem way over and over.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:42 amThis is OLD NEWS. Why do you keep rehasing it?
May 31st, 2007 at 6:59 am“Yeah, that’s the problem with scientific facts, versus the BULLSHIT you are eating with a spoon.â€
“Typical ad hominem attack and you offered nothing.”
Actually, that’s a characterization of the bullshit you are reading on Worldnet Daily. An ad hominem attack is on the person, not the argument. Your ‘facts’ are LIES. Just claiming you get them from some mystical source, or you are loathe to be confronted on your lies, is NOT going to pass muster.
“As for “Approx. 3000 US citizens are killed each year by aliens,†what a surprise it would be to consider that in 2004, St. Petersburg Florida reported 4,051 murders. 3,000 murders would be a good year for St. Pete.â€
“That was the king of ad hominem attacks.”
Hilarious. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
“The 3000 may in fact be an adjusted part of Florida’s statistics?”
The point is quite obvious. Since St. Petersburg is not a gigantic city, and since there are 100s of similar sized cities in the U.S., a death toll of 3,000 people is a DROP IN THE BUCKET.
“The Mexica-movement located at http://www.mexica-movement.org/ does not accept white or black members. They declare that the USA belongs to them and they are the Nican Tlaca.”
So what? There are HUNDREDS of white supremacist websites to look at.
Now you admit my point:
“MS 13 is now considered The Most Dangerous Gang in America and consists of Salvadorans for the most part but accepts only Latino members. ”
Gang violence against other gangs or other gang members is NOT representative of the vast number of migrants and immigrants who are here in the U.S., some with papers, some without. Your number pretends to be meaningful, but it is actually taken OUT OF CONTEXT by you, or where you got it from, in order to DECEIVE.
“I mentioned that I didn’t want to debate with you and this is why.” –Saywho
Yes, you are terrified that your lies will be thrown back into your face.
You’re a RACIST. Just admit that, and the rest of your argument falls naturally into what you would like to believe, or what your racist Rapepublican pals would like you to believe.
May 31st, 2007 at 8:42 amLegal immigration is not the issue and if they are married that is the other way in. They might be in love for all we know? Illegal immigration represents a breakdown of law and order. Since they are married she is in and there is nothing illegal about that. If she scams him we all get hurt but it is still legal. There is still a waiting period but it is a formality.
Lots of business people (men and women) get mail order spouses and this amounts to a sort of indentured servant sort of relationship. Nannies from England, Ireland, Africa, etc. are all indentured servants but they get in at the end.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:41 pmYou’re a RACIST. Just admit that, and the rest of your argument falls naturally into what you would like to believe, or what your racist Rapepublican pals would like you to believe.
Comment by Paul in LA — May 31, 2007 @ 8:42 am
There is no debate you can bring and you choose to brand me with a label by calling me a racist. You can’t prove that claim and I deny it. Prove that I’m what you claim I am since you are willing to make that assertion otherwise you used another ad hominem. Why do you despise the Constitution of the United States of America and its wonderful Bill of Rights Paul?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:53 pmDobbs has really jumped off the deep end.
June 1st, 2007 at 12:43 pmCompiled statistics reveal that Hansen’s disease (leprosy) is rare in the U.S. There are currently approximately 6,500 cases; about 3,300 require active medical management.
June 1st, 2007 at 12:57 pm