Comment by Paul in LA — May 31, 2007 @ 8:42 am

There is no debate you can bring and you choose to brand me with a label by calling me a racist. You can’t prove that claim and I deny it. Prove that I’m what you claim I am since you are willing to make that assertion otherwise you used another ad hominem. Why do you despise the Constitution of the United States of America and its wonderful Bill of Rights Paul?

Lots of business people (men and women) get mail order spouses and this amounts to a sort of indentured servant sort of relationship. Nannies from England, Ireland, Africa, etc. are all indentured servants but they get in at the end.

“Typical ad hominem attack and you offered nothing.”

Actually, that’s a characterization of the bullshit you are reading on Worldnet Daily. An ad hominem attack is on the person, not the argument. Your ‘facts’ are LIES. Just claiming you get them from some mystical source, or you are loathe to be confronted on your lies, is NOT going to pass muster.

“As for “Approx. 3000 US citizens are killed each year by aliens,” what a surprise it would be to consider that in 2004, St. Petersburg Florida reported 4,051 murders. 3,000 murders would be a good year for St. Pete.”

“That was the king of ad hominem attacks.”

Hilarious. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

“The 3000 may in fact be an adjusted part of Florida’s statistics?”

The point is quite obvious. Since St. Petersburg is not a gigantic city, and since there are 100s of similar sized cities in the U.S., a death toll of 3,000 people is a DROP IN THE BUCKET.

“The Mexica-movement located at http://www.mexica-movement.org/ does not accept white or black members. They declare that the USA belongs to them and they are the Nican Tlaca.”

So what? There are HUNDREDS of white supremacist websites to look at.

Now you admit my point:

“MS 13 is now considered The Most Dangerous Gang in America and consists of Salvadorans for the most part but accepts only Latino members. ”

Gang violence against other gangs or other gang members is NOT representative of the vast number of migrants and immigrants who are here in the U.S., some with papers, some without. Your number pretends to be meaningful, but it is actually taken OUT OF CONTEXT by you, or where you got it from, in order to DECEIVE.

“I mentioned that I didn’t want to debate with you and this is why.” –Saywho

Yes, you are terrified that your lies will be thrown back into your face.

You’re a RACIST. Just admit that, and the rest of your argument falls naturally into what you would like to believe, or what your racist Rapepublican pals would like you to believe.

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“Yeah, that’s the problem with scientific facts, versus the BULLSHIT you are eating with a spoon.”

Typical ad hominem attack and you offered nothing.

“As for “Approx. 3000 US citizens are killed each year by aliens,” what a surprise it would be to consider that in 2004, St. Petersburg Florida reported 4,051 murders. 3,000 murders would be a good year for St. Pete.”

That was the king of ad hominem attacks. The 3000 may in fact be an adjusted part of Florida’s statistics? If illegal aliens were not in this country those 3000 people might not have been killed? Since you support the invasion you are responsible in part for the 3000 deaths based on your statment.

“Since 99% of those ‘U.S. citizens’ are probably FELLOW GANG MEMBERS, the numbers you get from WorldNet Daily are the source of your argument, but not the source of your RACISM. That is found in your worm-eaten heart, in the place where you trade your contempt for yourself, for an outside enemy you can feel REAL PROUD attacking with all the teeth and squealing of an army of pigs.”

The Mexica-movement located at http://www.mexica-movement.org/ does not accept white or black members. They declare that the USA belongs to them and they are the Nican Tlaca.

MEChA subscribes to Mexica’s war declaration and indoctrinates Latino youth into the movement. They do not have non Nican Tlaca members and require Spanish (no whites or blacks need apply).

MS 13 is now considered The Most Dangerous Gang in America and consists of Salvadorans for the most part but accepts only Latino members. Their weapon of choice is the machete and they are in all states now. Search for “MS 13″ on Google, Youtube and there are endless images, videos and horror stories. Most are illegal aliens.

I mentioned that I didn’t want to debate with you and this is why. You have no debate to offer and your comment about those 3000 dead is inhuman. Rather than posting facts you go the ad hominem way over and over.

Yeah, that’s the problem with scientific facts, versus the BULLSHIT you are eating with a spoon.

As for “Approx. 3000 US citizens are killed each year by aliens,” what a surprise it would be to consider that in 2004, St. Petersburg Florida reported 4,051 murders. 3,000 murders would be a good year for St. Pete.

Since 99% of those ‘U.S. citizens’ are probably FELLOW GANG MEMBERS, the numbers you get from WorldNet Daily are the source of your argument, but not the source of your RACISM. That is found in your worm-eaten heart, in the place where you trade your contempt for yourself, for an outside enemy you can feel REAL PROUD attacking with all the teeth and squealing of an army of pigs.

Comment by Jim K — May 30, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

Legal immigration is not the issue and if they are married that is the other way in. They might be in love for all we know? Illegal immigration represents a breakdown of law and order. Since they are married she is in and there is nothing illegal about that. If she scams him we all get hurt but it is still legal. There is still a waiting period but it is a formality.

Lots of business people (men and women) get mail order spouses and this amounts to a sort of indentured servant sort of relationship. Nannies from England, Ireland, Africa, etc. are all indentured servants but they get in at the end.

LOU DOBBS JUST ADMITTED HE MADE A MISTAKE

ABOUT THIS TB STORY…

his sourse has/had ties to white supremicist group…

… huh…

Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 30, 2007 @ 9:11 pm

What does Israel have to do with the INS? What purpose do your ad hominem attacks serve?

Comment by Paul in LA — May 30, 2007 @ 8:22 pm

I appreciate that Paul however my question was directed to Zooey. I rather not debate you on any of the immigration subjects Paul since the facts that I see disagree with your statements above. Now regarding various diseases. There are immigration laws that compel legal immigrants to receive a basic medical inspection (they have to pay for it).

What do medical examinations include?

Physical examination: Applicants are required to have a physical examination (to include complete disrobing), and a mental status evaluation

Tuberculin (TB) skin test: All applicants two years of age and older are required to have a Tuberculin skin test (TST)

Serologic (blood) test: All applicants 15 years of age and older are required to have serologic (blood) tests for HIV and for syphilis. Applicants under age 15 can be tested for HIV or syphilis if there is reason to suspect the possibility of infection. Civil Surgeons and Panel Physicians are required to provide pre-test counseling to all applicants who take the HIV test. If you are found to have HIV infection, the Civil Surgeon must provide you with post-test counseling

Vaccinations: Most applicants need to show that they are current with all vaccinations recommended by the U.S. public health officials…

Illegal aliens receive none of these tests and many times receive care in hospitals as indigents. This care is later paid for by tax payers in elevated tax rates and inflation. Should an alien transmit TB to one of the citizens than another American becomes sick or injured and will have to pay for his or her own health care and live with any lingering effects.

Approx. 3000 US citizens are killed each year by aliens. Gangs like MS13 have invaded all of the states now. Nican Tlaca claim to be the, “True Owners of This Continent!” There are many other groups and their mission statements are essentially declarations of war.

Supporting legal immigration protects the immigrant and Americans.

One could argue that Israel is no condition to take all of the Jews that have displaced the Palestinians – but I bet you are “inconsistent” on your views on that?

You do realize we’re a HUGE nation, and now you don’t want the *consequences* of taking over another country? So much for that “personal responsibility and sacrifice” we hear so much from you whiny hypocrites! War on the cheap, occupation on the cheap, cheap selfish dum bass is what YOU are.

If YOU get TB, or Hansen’s, then just comfort yourself that God is punishing you for your sins.

Comment by Zooey — May 30, 2007 @ 1:28 pm

Zooey, I wanted to ask again are you making the implication that the disease of leprosy is not that bad since it is treatable so you would not take steps to protect yourself or anyone?

Comment by Saywho — May 30, 2007 @ 8:16 pm”

I think Zooey ‘dropped off’ this thread a long time ago…..

Comment by Zooey — May 30, 2007 @ 1:28 pm

Zooey, I wanted to ask again are you making the implication that the disease of leprosy is not that bad since it is treatable so you would not take steps to protect yourself or anyone?

Comment by Zooey — May 30, 2007 @ 1:28 pm

Zooey are you making the implication that the disease of leprosy is not that bad since it is treatable so you would not take steps to protect yourself or anyone?

I’ll shoot you first. :D

Jeebus, the trolls are SUPER WHINY today.

That’s the only reason there is a 30 year statistic.

Consequently, there are NOT 7,000 diagnosed cases in the last 30 years. There are 7,000 total entries into a database drawn from every state, and those cases may have been diagnosed twenty or thirty years earlier (the listing is theoretically of surviving victims of the disease).

Transmissibility of Hansen’s disease is JUST ABOUT NIL. Patients taking the course of antibiotics (generally two drugs simultaneously) become non-contagious within days. It is NOT transmitted by air, and in fact reguliar intensive PHYSICAL contact generally fails to transmit the disease. Something like 90% of all persons are naturally immune to the disease in any case.

Lou Dobbs is a RACIST. His theories of racial purity, his view of America as being a VOLK — with a unique culture threatened by immigration — rather than a liberal democracy founded on law, is basic to racist models.

“The nation was not a citizenry defined by common political rights and duties, but rather a Volk defined by a common cultural heritage…German racist thinkers in the twentieth century simply carried [the philosopher] Herder’s views to their ugly, caricatural extreme when they advocated purging society of elements declared alien according to the criterion of culture conceived as a natural attribute.” (Anchor, The Enlightenment Tradition)

I live in Los Angeles, probably the most integrated city in the world. Only the RACISTS pose a problem for our society. The Latinos who have ALWAYS been here (for 400 years at least) are not the problem, but shutting the border has FORCED THEM TO STAY HERE RATHER THAN RETURN HOME AFTER MAKING SOME MONEY.

The rightwing racists like Dobbs have made our situation WORSE.

Why isn’t that surprising.