And the french get free schools, free medical, yet their economy was stronger last quarter than ours – that must really toast your cookies son!

Their per capita GDP is $30k, ours is $43k, adjusted for the 2006 exchange rates. That should give you some idea.

But you failed to answer my question. Why are you making projections based on 1 quarter, instead of 20?

Medicaid itself took $295 billion out of the budget in 2004. That’s *tiny*?

Actually, he didn’t. Edwards formed an S corporation, then paid himself dividends, bypassing the Medicare tax.

Tell me, if he couldn’t even get himself to pay for ‘universal’ healthcare, how is he going to do it for 300 million Americans?

Clearly you did not even glance at the report, because that expense figure was from 2005, before the drug coverage program was enacted in January 2006. So tell me, how is *negotiating* prices (even if it works) going to lower a figure that includes $0 in drug costs?

Obviously, when health care is ‘free’, everyone is going to use more of it. But for argument’s sake, I’ll cut the number in half.

Please tell me how to raise $1.2 trillion in revenue to pay for your program.

You mean at the point where RayGun nearly bankrupted the country with DEBT, before Clinton was responsible and started paying it down? You really don’t understand sh*t about economics – how funny!!!

Kennedy and Reagan were smart enough to realize that outrageous 90% tax rates were uncollectible. Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 7:25 pm

BAHAHA, st*pid fool. They were TOTALLY collectable, and RAYGun never saw, nor was ever involved 90% tax rates – dum bass… He was associated with producing more debt, than every president that came before him COMBINED though! Spend crazy republicans, you people are worse than Lindsay Lohan with Cocaine!!

John Conyers isn’t; he’s trying to push through his health insurance bill with a 3.3% payroll tax. Unfortunately for Conyers, rich people like John Edwards don’t bother paying these taxes, and he doesn’t get any money! Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 7:25 pm

BAHAHAHA, EVERYONE that WORKS pays payroll taxes – dum bass! You never bothered to notice that Edwards was WORKING in the PRIVATE SECTOR until recently? BAHAHAAH idiot!

Indefinitely, unless you think our GDP is going to stop growing. Debt/GDP is smaller today than it was in 1995, and it’s smaller than about 20 other developed nations. Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 7:25 pm

But in 1995 we were f*cked, until Clinton helped pay down the debt. We also were still *barely* a *saving* nation – now our debt is mostly foreign purchased. If you want to know what’s changed – it’s THAT!!! You also forget that those other 20 nations don’t have to depend on CHINA to buy their debts – dum bass!

As far as the annual deficit is concerned, all Democrats have to do is not establish a bunch of new welfare programs for the next 4 years, even that will be gone. Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 7:25 pm

BAHAHAHA, what a st*pid r*t*rd!!! You haven’t even counted on the looming recession from the f*cked up policies of the last 6 years! Unless congress can get a handle on you reckless f*cks – we’re all f*cked *sshole!!

And what *welfare* programs were you referring to? You aren’t r*t*rded enough to call programs that *pay* for themselves *welfare* are you? Because the *welfare* programs in this country are *tiny* relative to the budget. If you’re referring to the NATION INSURANCE policies involved in medicare and social security – well as usual, you LACK of COMMAND of the english language shows. Were you parent *immigrants*, because you’re a clueless little f*ck on what english words to use to convey a point *accurately* – CHILD!

Hey, you were the one st*pid enough to crow about the economy!!! Tell me, how much are french assets worth, compared to American ones, with a currency that’s nearly doubled in value compared to the dollar in the last 10 years? Imagine that! Their GDP output growth relative to their currency growth – funny eh?

And the french get free schools, free medical, yet their economy was stronger last quarter than ours – that must really toast your cookies son!

And tell me, after the giant *collapse* before those quarters, how has the US recovered, compared to *previous* recoveries? Look it up – it’s ONE OF THE WORST EVER!!! Dum bass!

Maybe Kerry doesn’t understand, either, since that’s what he said in his own words. Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 7:40 pm

Or Occam’s razor, is that YOU are the one too st*pid to understand – junior…

Wow, imagine that! Old people, cost more to *treat*, because they’re sick more often!

You mean the medicare that only has 2.1% overhead, compared to the “best standards” private insurance with 13% overhead (that’s a *generous* figure compared to the overall industry)!

See you forget, junior. For *profit* means just that – PROFIT!!!

Please explain to me how you are going to reduce Medicare’s growth from 9% to 3%, and what exactly ‘getting control of the health profit industry’ means. Also please explain how the government is going to receive $8000 * 300 million ($2.4 trillion) from. Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 7:46 pm

How about by permitting it to *negotiate* prices? DUH!!! You’re a really st*pid little sh*t – aren’t you?

And do you *really* think the average 30 year old will cost $8000 a year in medical expenses? Because that’s what medicare *reflects* – $8000 a year in CARE GIVING, with a 2.1% overhead!!!!

Dum bass!

I noticed you ignored my question in the last thread. I’ll repost it here. Your comments are in italics:

By getting control of the health “profit” industry that is largely price gouging the public? How about universal health care – since the rest of the ‘western’ countries aren’t facing the ‘free market profiteering’ we’re facing?

Medicare is nonprofit, and is Ted Kennedy’s model for universal health care. Medicare also costs American taxpayers about $8000 per person covered per year.

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/ ReportsTrustFunds/ downloads/ tr2006.pdf

Please explain to me how you are going to reduce Medicare’s growth from 9% to 3%, and what exactly ‘getting control of the health profit industry’ means. Also please explain how the government is going to receive $8000 * 300 million ($2.4 trillion) from.

Maybe Kerry doesn’t understand, either, since that’s what he said in his own words.

You want our economy to be like France?

http://www.indexmundi.com/france/gdp_real_growth_rate.html

The last 5 years of GDP growth there were 1%, .5%, 2.1%, 1.2%, and 2%. For us, it was 2.45%, 3.1%, 4.4%, 3.2%, and 3.4%.

Tell me, why are you ignoring 5 years of results in favor of a single quarter?

Kennedy did what he could at the time. Unfortunately, he was not given his full 8 years, or we would have seen needed tax reform about 15 years before Ronald Reagan finally came in and did it.

Kennedy and Reagan were smart enough to realize that outrageous 90% tax rates were uncollectible. John Conyers isn’t; he’s trying to push through his health insurance bill with a 3.3% payroll tax. Unfortunately for Conyers, rich people like John Edwards don’t bother paying these taxes, and he doesn’t get any money!

Bush cut the top tax rates, set at roughly 37% under Clinton, to what? 29%? And the DEFICIT BOOMED. The United States BORROWS money to cover our war expenses and our faith-based domestic spending. The national economic performance, which depends on consumer spending for 60% of its activity, is also being financed, since for two years in a row the national savings rate has been NEGATIVE. First time that’s happened since the Great Depression. In other words, Americans are spending more than they’re making and that spending is boosting the economy. How sustainable is that?

Indefinitely, unless you think our GDP is going to stop growing. Debt/GDP is smaller today than it was in 1995, and it’s smaller than about 20 other developed nations.

As far as the annual deficit is concerned, all Democrats have to do is not establish a bunch of new welfare programs for the next 4 years, even that will be gone.

Yeah, the *complexities* of the senate can *confuse* a simpleton like yourself… Especially when the mainstream media intentionally furthers the deception… You know, like voting for a draft, but voting against a final bill that included unacceptable measures (like a withdrawal date?)… I wouldn’t expect you to understand how *guvumunt* works.

I’m not worried at all about 2008. The last time the Democrats were in power, back in 1993, they passed the largest tax hike in history and voters gave them the boot soon after. This Congress is trying to outdo that by rolling back the Bush tax cuts, and they’ll get the boot again.Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

Oh, dear st*pid child. That’s NOT the reason for 1994 election, but you just keep telling yourself that!!!!

Kennedy cut the top tax rates to 70%. And the economy boomed. The budget was balanced. The United States LOANED money to other nations.

Bush cut the top tax rates, set at roughly 37% under Clinton, to what? 29%? And the DEFICIT BOOMED. The United States BORROWS money to cover our war expenses and our faith-based domestic spending. The national economic performance, which depends on consumer spending for 60% of its activity, is also being financed, since for two years in a row the national savings rate has been NEGATIVE. First time that’s happened since the Great Depression. In other words, Americans are spending more than they’re making and that spending is boosting the economy. How sustainable is that?

But you keep cherry-picking stats and I’m sure that will serve the GOP very well in 2008.

BAHAHAHA you think there isn’t a relationship? So you do give Gore credit then – because it was him that *emerged* the internet. He did drive the “creation” of the commercial internet. The word “invent” is not what he used, and in fact is another example of the kind of “dishonest” smear I was referring too…. Sad, and pathetic, how you can’t resist *lying* every time you post on a topic. Alas, you’re a loser.

We have had 22 straight quarters of positive GDP growth after the Bush tax cuts of 2001. Just watch and see the Democrats’ policy destory it. Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 6:36 pm

We have the most anemic recovery in history… Our growth last quarter was less than FRANCE, and the GDP growth saw no real growth in wages and a decline in the value of the currency that accompanies it.

You really don’t know much about *economics* do you dum bass?

Great man, a great President, and a great American.
Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 6:36 pm

Then maybe we should double the current taxes the level he was proposing?

Another Half-truth – you seem *prone* to those.

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You can thank the emergence of the internet for that, not the tax hikes. Unfortunately, even Al Gore can’t invent the internet a second time.

We have had 22 straight quarters of positive GDP growth after the Bush tax cuts of 2001. Just watch and see the Democrats’ policy destory it.

Let’s talk about Kennedy, though.

“It is no contradiction – the most important single thing we can do to stimulate investment in today’s economy is to raise consumption by major reduction of individual income tax rates.”

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 21, 1963, annual message to the Congress: “The Economic Report Of The President”

“Our tax system still siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power and reduces the incentive for risk, investment and effort – thereby aborting our recoveries and stifling our national growth rate.”

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, message to Congress on tax reduction and reform, House Doc. 43, 88th Congress, 1st Session.

“Our present tax system … exerts too heavy a drag on growth … It reduces the financial incentives for personal effort, investment, and risk-taking … The present tax load … distorts economic judgments and channels an undue amount of energy into efforts to avoid tax liabilities.”

– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, press conference

“The largest single barrier to full employment of our manpower and resources and to a higher rate of economic growth is the unrealistically heavy drag of federal income taxes on private purchasing power, initiative and incentive.”

– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, special message to Congress on tax reduction and reform

Great man, a great President, and a great American.

Comment by m12 — May 30, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

“They passed the largest tax hike in history” that not coincidentally led to the most robust and sustainable economy this nation had seen in at least thirty years (since the Kennedy administration, actually). What were Republican predictions about that tax hike? That it would “destroy the economy”? yeah, um… not so much, as it turned out.

I’m glad you’re so confident about 2008. I hope most die-hard twenty-eight percenters are. Most of the Republican Party strategists are not, but what do they know? They pay attention to polls, after all. Your gut is all that matters, right? You keep on keepin’ on with your version of the world.

We’ll stick with the “reality-based community”.