“A Saudi detainee at the U.S. military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was found dead in his cell from an apparent suicide yesterday,” the fourth detainee to take his own life at the facility in the past year. The Center for Constitutional Rights released a statement noting that in recent months, “conditions at Guantanamo have become even more bleak: the military has increasingly held people in solitary confinement and continued to refuse to allow independent psychological evaluations.”
UPDATE: Digby reminds us that to some U.S. officials, detainee suicides are an act of war:
Rear Admiral Harris is adamant that the people in his care are well looked after and are enemies of the United States.
He told me they use any weapon they can - including their own urine and faeces - to continue to wage war on the United States.
The suicide of three detainees, he reaffirmed to me, amounted to “asymmetrical warfare.”
Read the full CCR statement:
CENTER FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS CONDEMNS DEATH OF FOURTH GUANTANAMO PRISONER
New York, NY, May 30, 2007 - The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) today condemned the death of a fourth prisoner held without charge or trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. The detainee is Saudi but has not yet been identified by the Department of Defense.
“In the last year, the conditions at Guantanamo have become even more bleak: the military has increasingly held people in solitary confinement and continued to refuse to allow independent psychological evaluations. The United States government is responsible for this man’s death and must be held accountable,” said Wells Dixon, Staff Attorney for the CCR Guantanamo Global Justice Initiative. “By refusing to hear the men’s cases or exercise any oversight of their conditions, the judiciary contributed further to the desperation of the detainees, and Congress, in failing to restore the fundamental right of habeas corpus, dealt the final blow.”
This death comes nearly one year after the deaths of three men at Guantánamo on June 10, 2006. The Government has still provided extremely limited information to the families and lawyers of the deceased, and challenged an attempt to preserve evidence related to the deaths.
“The legal black hole of Guantanamo is an unconscionable mistake,” said Michael Ratner, President of CCR. “Nearly three years ago, the Supreme Court in Rasul held that Guantanamo detainees have the right to challenge their detention. The right of habeas corpus must be restored and Guantanamo must be closed. No one else should have to die because of this tragic mistake.”
CCR has requested the identification of the deceased from the Department of Justice, and has demanded that the military preserve all evidence related to the deaths and the deceased. CCR has received no response yet from the Department of Justice.
Bush does not care, because he would prefer they all commit suicide. Otherwise he loves to have them tortured.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:11 amThe Admin. should be charged in each of these suicide cases.
They drove these poor people to it.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:13 amThe Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) today condemned the death of a fourth prisoner held without charge or trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
Held without charge or trial, resulting in a life sentence.
I hope he found peace….
May 31st, 2007 at 12:15 amAnother terrorist bites the dust.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:16 amBut somehow they mean freedom and democracy in other places.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:19 amAnother terrorist bites the dust.
Comment by m12
HELD WITHOUT CHARGE OR TRIAL — HE IS INNOCENT.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:20 amAnother terrorist bites the dust.
Comment by m12 — May 31, 2007 @ 12:16
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
You have judged another man to be a terrorist. So, too, shall you be judged. You have rejoiced in another man’s death. So, too, shall other men rejoice in your death.
So mote it be.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:24 amm12,
How do you know he was a terrorist?
As Zooey stated, he was never charged. Never had a trial.
Just sat there with no future for years.
No contact with the outside world. Not even toothpaste to brush his teeth.
The US treated these Innocent Until Proven Guilty Prisoners of War like animals.
Death was the only way out for this desperate man.
It’s incredibly sad.
And your comment is incredibly mean. Hateful.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:24 amGITMO is just for show > Bush needs a facility to imprison alleged terrorists, so he can claim to be winning his “War on Terrorism,” but most of the prisoners at GITMO are taxi drivers or peasant farmers.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:25 amOMG, what have we become. And Bush has/had the nerve to call Saddam evil. The Bush Crime Family has redefined evil in a horrible way.
m12 - How do you know this person was a terrorist. How do you know that he isn’t a taxi driver who was sold to the United States for $5,000 by some warlord or a neighbor looking to make some money. I feel very sorry for you because you have lost your humanity.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:27 amI am sure we’ll hear about this act of desperation as an ‘act of war’ or ‘asymmetrical warfare’ by some lifeless functionary very soon.
If these men are terrorists or combatents then get on with the legal proceedings and convict them. I mean if they have enough information to determine they are “the worst of the worst” they should have enough information to convict them for life.
Instead we get the old fascist machinery that has secret prisoners, secret prisons, torture and abuse all committed by the federal government of the United States of America.
George W. Bush has led the nation into a moral cesspool and many Americans want more sewage to wallow in.
The shame of the world.
-GSD
May 31st, 2007 at 12:29 am#6
If you say so. Doesn’t matter. We didn’t kill him.
Maybe he wanted to claim his 72 virgins in the name of Islam.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:30 amComment by Kate Henry — May 31, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Nope, they already did for the taxi drivers..
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2005/ 05/ 20/ international/ asia/ 20abuse.html?ex=1274241600&en=4579c146cb14cfd6&ei=5088
May 31st, 2007 at 12:32 am“Bush does not care, because he would prefer they all commit suicide.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 31, 2007″
So would I!
May 31st, 2007 at 12:33 am“They drove these poor people to it.
Comment by trueblue — May 31, 2007″
Poor people? No wonder we don’t trust you traitors?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:34 amHey, look! a 28% here…quick, took him a picture.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:35 amThey are aout to extinct.
If you say so. Doesn’t matter. We didn’t kill him.
Maybe he wanted to claim his 72 virgins in the name of Islam.
Comment by m12 — May 31, 2007 @ 12:30 am
You’re a piece of sh*t aren’t you? ‘We didn’t kill him’ - 6 years of American captivity killed him as sure as if you had pulled the trigger yourself. Suicide happens to be a sin in Islam… you sick piece of sh*t
May 31st, 2007 at 12:35 amSo would I!
Comment by michael — May 31, 2007 @ 12:33 am
What I said to m12 applies to you as well. You will be driven to suicide.
So mote it be.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:35 amMust be a full moon - here’s mikey all foamy and p*ssing over himself in excitement.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:36 ammichael > so you want people who most likely are innocent of being terrorists to commit suicide? Are you actually Dubya’s brother Jeb?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:37 am“HELD WITHOUT CHARGE OR TRIAL — HE IS INNOCENT.
Comment by Zooey — May 31, 2007″
Innocent? He was captured trying to further jihad against your Mother and Father! Do they still recognize you as a daughter? zooey, you would do yourself a big favor by keeping your dopey liberal thoughts to yourself, but if you want to continue looking like a dumb 6th grader, rock on!
May 31st, 2007 at 12:39 amLets do this. Lets just ignore them.
I will start. Terry…now, what about Chelsea and Tevez?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:39 amMaybe he wanted to claim his 72 virgins in the name of Islam.
Comment by m12
And maybe your not a moron, but I wouldn’t count on it.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:40 amYou’re a piece of sh*t aren’t you? ‘We didn’t kill him’ - 6 years of American captivity killed him as sure as if you had pulled the trigger yourself. Suicide happens to be a sin in Islam… you sick piece of sh*t
That didn’t stop 19 Islamic fundamelists from attacking the United States to claim their virgins in heaven.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:40 am#20
We would be able to close Guantanemo Bay if all of them did.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:41 amYou have judged another man to be a terrorist. So, too, shall you be judged. You have rejoiced in another man’s death. So, too, shall other men rejoice in your death.
So mote it be.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Like we’ve said, over and over again, the Neocon Wingnut 28%ers ARE MORE AKIN TO THE TERRORISTS THEY FEAR THAN ANYONE. Their actions and hatred play directly into the hands of the terrorists motives.
Sad pieces of sh*t.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:43 amKarl Rove has told his trolls to flood onto this thread > shame on all of them and Rove-horse they rode in on.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:44 amThat didn’t stop 19 Islamic fundamelists from attacking the United States to claim their virgins in heaven.
Comment by m12
Trained in the US and OBL is not wanted by the FBI. Debunked. Next one, please.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:45 amThat didn’t stop 19 Islamic fundamelists from attacking the United States to claim their virgins in heaven.
Comment by m12 — May 31, 2007 @ 12:40 am
Ignorant piece of sh*t. Want to keep going?
Innocent? He was captured trying to further jihad against your Mother and Father! Since he hadn’t been charged with anything, you have no proof of anything. Prove it or f*** off
May 31st, 2007 at 12:45 amWould someone please break into Michaels’ house and steal his “?” key?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:46 amHe doesn’t know how to use it and doesn’t deserve to own it. Stupid troll.
I have to say that m12 is sinking to new, despicable lows on this thread…
Hey michael and m12 - how about if we string you two up in a cell somewhere until you tell us why you come to a progressive site to post your trash? After all most of us believe your leaders have led this country into fascism. It would be American for us to find out who pays you to come here.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:48 amM12, what the heck is a “fundemelist??
Why should we give any serious thought to the ramblings of an idiot who can’t even use a spell-check?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:48 amMust be time for Rove’s adult diaper party - stupid trolls are chock full of sh*t tonight.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:49 am35 million pounds - that’s just daft money
May 31st, 2007 at 12:50 am“If these men are terrorists or combatents then get on with the legal proceedings and convict them
The shame of the world.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — May 31, 2007″
NO! A little more torture! A few finger nails? How about fingers? Hands? Arms? Heads! I have NO problem treating them the way they treat us! If you don’t have the stomach to survive this muslim onslaught, maybe you should consider moving elsewhere?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:50 amShane > waterboard both of them for one minute and they will pee in their shorts to tell you Rove pays them.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:52 am“And maybe your not a moron, but I wouldn’t count on it.
Comment by Shane — May 31, 2007″
WOW! What a great come back! Are you in the same grade as zooey?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:52 am#7
I guess you’ve forgotten when you chumps rejoiced over the death of Jerry Falwell?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:53 am“stupid trolls are chock full of sh*t tonight.
Comment by Not Canadian — May 31, 2007″
Really? You can provide an example (this is where I usually get the dumb liberals!)
May 31st, 2007 at 12:54 ammichael post 35 > I knew you are a fascist who wants to be a Concentration Camp guard and torture people yourself.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:54 amm12 > Falwell did not commit suicide, or are you telling us he did?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:56 amthis muslim onslaught,
Comment by michael
Hey pansy-assed, brain-washed 28%er, you’d be better off jerking off to your Richard Simmon “Sweatin’ to the Oldies” video than worrying about an onslaught!
Pathetic little troll!
May 31st, 2007 at 12:56 amI have NO problem treating them the way they treat us!
Comment by michael
Finally, showing the true colors. American Jihadist Group is having its reunion tonight.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:56 am#31
Someone has to counteract your brainwashing.
Liberals care much more about these Muslims than about the good Americans that they have destroyed.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:57 amGitmo will forever be a stain on this country, as will the authoritarian cultists who enable Bush.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:58 amThis is where retard Repukes can’t handle this site: TOO MUCH INFORMATION.
YOU’RE FULL OF SHIT, as in:
That didn’t stop 19 Islamic fundamelists from attacking the United States to claim their virgins in heaven.
Comment by m12
See, you make it SO easy.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:59 amWOW! What a great come back! Are you in the same grade as zooey?
Comment by michael
Oooh, cut me to the bone, putz. So why are you here? Or is it time for us to string you up?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:59 am“Hey michael and m12 - how about if we string you two up in a cell somewhere until you tell us why you come to a progressive site to post your trash? After all most of us believe your leaders have led this country into fascism. It would be American for us to find out who pays you to come here.
Comment by Shane — May 31, 2007″
First off, no one pays me to come here, I come here to challenge your dumb statements and force you to back them up, which you usually can’t!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:00 amWhy would I go to a website where everybody agrees with me? I want debate! I don’t get much here because you don’t have a house liberal who can stand up to me!
My leaders have led us to Fascism? And you don’t say who and how. Like most liberals, you’re empty!
I guess you’ve forgotten when you chumps rejoiced over the death of Jerry Falwell?
Comment by m12
watching kiddie porn, probably.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:00 am“So why are you here?
Comment by Shane — May 31, 2007″
Read #48!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:01 am“chock full of sh*” I said, and here’s MORE PROOF:
Falwell is on record as being a hateful, bigoted DEAD piece of crap.
If you stupid trolls have any EVIDENCE that anyone being held is an actual terrorist, you might have a point, other than on your dunce-cap.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:01 amShane > waterboard both of them for one minute and they will pee in their shorts to tell you Rove pays them.
Comment by Jay Randal
Today the trolls were saying waterboarding isn’t torture, so I guess we’ll have to use a little more DISCIPLINE on them. And why should we believe it’s Rove paying them. How do we know it’s not Osama Bin Laden?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:02 amComment by michael — May 31, 2007 @ 1:00 am
Those are too many sentences for a michael´s post? Is he copying and pasting personal statements already?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:02 am“Gitmo will forever be a stain on this country
Comment by VerbalKint — May 31, 2007″
WHY? I can’t wait for the response!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:02 amMy leaders have led us to Fascism? And you don’t say who and how. Like most liberals, you’re empty!
Comment by michael
Your leaders Bush/Cheney/Rove. Or do you really work for the Jihadists? Who can be sure until we get you strung up for a couple of days.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:04 am“Liberals care much more about these Muslims than about the good Americans that they have destroyed.
Comment by m12 — May 31, 2007″
Because they are anti American liberals!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:04 amagain, our country and it’s christian president seem to have no problem with torture and refusing human rights to others. yet those same people are the first to scream when they are refused rights. the people being held, may or may not be guilty and we can torture them, treat them poorly, and continue to destroy their lives without giving them the same basic human rights each of us demand.
it takes religion to allow good men to do evil things. fight to keep religion out of our government, just as our founding fathers planned
May 31st, 2007 at 1:05 ammichael lol > only a sadistic GOPer would come on TP to be abused for free. You trolls get compensated by Rove. “valiant venus” has already admitted it, because she asked me if I would like to be paid by the GOP to post on TP. I told her only if I was dead.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:05 amMust be a full moon -
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — May 31, 2007 @ 12:36 am
That’s tomorrow night. A blue moon in Saggitarius. The last full moon before the solstice. It will be a good night for prayer and to contemplate the metaphysical nature of the universe, known and unknown.
michael and m12 will have good cause to fear the unknown, for it will be waiting for them, watching them, from tomorrow night on….so mote it be.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:05 amWHY? I can’t wait for the response!
Comment by michael
Therein lies the 28%ers fundamental flaw:
THE INABILITY TO THINK FOR ONESELF.
Get a clue, your wife doesn’t have a huge black dildo because black is her favorite color…
May 31st, 2007 at 1:05 am“Gitmo will forever be a stain on this country
Comment by VerbalKint — May 31, 2007″
WHY? I can’t wait for the response!
Comment by michael
Obviously you have no moral compass and are unable to understand human decency. I guess we’ll have to beat some into you.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:06 amBecause they are anti American liberals!
Comment by michael
Using your own, petty, retard, inbred logic: PROVE IT, DICK HEAD!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:06 am“Liberals care much more about these Muslims than about the good Americans that they have destroyed.
Comment by m12 — May 31, 2007″
Because they are anti American liberals!
Comment by michael
No we care about the GOOD AMERICA you fascists have destroyed. And the honorable reputation of the United States that the torture you’re so proud of has ruined.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:08 am“No we care about the GOOD AMERICA you fascists have destroyed.
Comment by Shane — May 31, 2007″
Which is?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:10 amBush and Cheney are going to off themselves before this is all over.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:10 amHey fellas,
What’s up?
Can I play?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:10 amObviously you have no moral compass and are unable to understand human decency. I guess we’ll have to beat some into you.
Human decency hasn’t stopped radical islam from attacking the Twin Towers and beheading our soldiers.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:11 am#62
This thread is proof enough. Only anti American liberals would make such a fuss over a radical Islamic fundamentalist sending himself to heaven.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:12 amFaire > thanks for warning us about a full moon tomorrow night. Bush turns into a wolf on such nights and Cheney becomes a vampire bat.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:12 amMr. President > the game tonight is beating the snot out of michael and his Brokeback Mountain lover m12 > lol.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:14 amYou know want I love about arging with the Reich wingers? All I have to do is encourage them to say what they really think and the game is over.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:15 am“Using your own, petty, retard, inbred logic: PROVE IT, DICK HEAD!
Comment by Not Canadian — May 31, 2007″
Only an anti American liberal person living in this country would accuse our troops of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night, or accuse them of flushing the koran down the toilet, or compare them to nazis! When is the last time you heard a Conservative say these things about our troops? You can’t escape your associations with the radical left! We won’t let you!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:16 amHuman decency hasn’t stopped radical islam from attacking the Twin Towers and beheading our soldiers.
Comment by m12
And you get satisfaction out of being no better than them. The guys who attacked on 9/11 are dead. Does torturing people just because their muslims until they die or commit suicide make us any different than them. No, it makes us the same. Why do you hate people you’re just like?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:17 amThis thread is proof enough. Only anti American liberals would make such a fuss over a radical Islamic fundamentalist sending himself to heaven.
Comment by m12
Actually, nobody here mad a fuss, EXCEPT YOU, dufus! This thread is proof that the 28%ers have NOTHING left to cling to, other than their own shit, which is sinking fast…
Why else would you come here, pathetic troll?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:17 am“#
Mr. President > the game tonight is beating the snot out of michael
Comment by Jay Randal — May 31, 2007″
You can try but I assure you, you won’t be successful, just ask zooey!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:18 amMr. President > the game tonight is beating the snot out of michael and his Brokeback Mountain lover m12 > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 31, 2007 @ 1:14 am
The debate is a little hard to follow. I may have to sit this one out until I figure out what’s going on.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:19 am“And you get satisfaction out of being no better than them ?
Comment by Shane — May 31, 2007″
YES!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:19 amWhen is the last time you heard a Conservative say these things about our troops? You can’t escape your associations with the radical left! We won’t let you!
Comment by michael
Such articulation from a bunch of wind out of your ass. And all lies, since nobody here is anti-troop, except dickheads like yourself who favor escalation.
PROVE THAT I HAVE ASSOCIATION WITH THE RADICAL LEFT, Rovian adult diaper pail associate pansy!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:20 amComment by Jay Randal — May 31, 2007 @ 1:12 am
It is also a sacred night, for those who believe.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:20 am“This thread is proof that the 28%ers have NOTHING left to cling to, other than their own shit, which is sinking fast…
Why else would you come here, pathetic troll?
Comment by Not Canadian — May 31, 2007″
And I’m betting you aren’t intelligent enough to back up what you just said? I can’t wait for your response!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:21 am“Guantanamo detainee commits suicide”
I hope there is at least 500 more!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:22 amMr. President > start reading at top of thread, then you will notice michael and his pal m12 come on to call us terrorist lovers.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:22 amHuman decency hasn’t stopped radical islam from attacking the Twin Towers and beheading our soldiers.
Comment by m12
And you want to be the same monsters that OBL and crew are.
I bled for this country, a country that is supposed to be better than the monsters we sometimes have to oppose.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:23 amYou may have no honor, But I stand not silent when your ilk wish to stain this country and it’sreputation with your desire for dishonor and evil.
The guys who attacked on 9/11 are dead.
Comment by Shane — May 31, 2007 @ 1:17 am
Sorry to disillusion you, Shane, but they are still alive, and placed within the Bush Administration. Why do you think there was no criminal investigation? They would have been investigating themselves. Much easier to pin the blame on someone else. Funny thing, too, as some of the alleged hijackers have been seen since that day.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:23 amAnd all lies,
Comment by Not Canadian — May 31, 2007″
What lies?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:24 amAnother terrorist bites the dust.
Comment by m12
HELD WITHOUT CHARGE OR TRIAL — HE IS INNOCENT.
Comment by Zooey — May 31, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Here is the problem.
Both of these statements beg the question. On the one hand, we do not know if this person was actually a terrorist. On the other, we do not know he was innocent just because he was held without charge or trial.
Accordingly, nothing meaningful can be said at this time regarding his guilt or innocence.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:24 amIt’s easy to tell when michael gets a new hit on crank.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:25 amI can’t wait for your response!
Comment by michael
Yes you can, cause your XXL adult diaper isn’t quite full yet, so you’ll have to wait for m12 to come change you first…
Idiot. My response? Backing up what I said? Not necessary.
WILL YOU APOLOGIZE OR DECRY THE SHRUB WHEN, COME SEPTEMBER, HE PULLS OUT THE TROOPS AND CLAIMS ‘VICTORY’?
Until then, SHUT THE F*CK UP, RETARD.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:26 am“Does torturing people just because their muslims until they die or commit suicide make us any different than them.
Comment by Shane — May 31, 2007″
Who cares? Who’s side are you on? Wait! Don’t answer, I already knoe. COWARD!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:27 amSo mote it be.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
heche etu aloha
May 31st, 2007 at 1:28 amDamn boy, you’re a dense as the day is long. Here’s your lies, unless you’ve got links /proof…
Only an anti American liberal person living in this country would accuse our troops of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night, or accuse them of flushing the koran down the toilet, or compare them to nazis!
…then you’re just a bliovating IDIOT, like I’ve said, over, and over, and over…
May 31st, 2007 at 1:28 am“Bush does not care, because he would prefer they all commit suicide.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 31, 2007″
So would I!
Comment by michael — May 31, 2007 @ 12:33 am
Seems michael is just out to shock people by making radical statements.
m12 has a more realistic view on the situation than does michael.
m12 actually has viable arguments,
michael… weeeell, he just wants attention
May 31st, 2007 at 1:29 am“I bled for this country, a country that is supposed to be better than the monsters we sometimes have to oppose.
You may have no honor, But I stand not silent when your ilk wish to stain this country and it’sreputation with your desire for dishonor and evil.
Comment by Wayne — May 31, 2007″
And you’re an IDIOT! We are supposed to be better than a country that will cut the heads off our soldiers? Oh, I forgot, if we’re good, they’ll be good! What an *ss hole you are!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:30 am“Seems michael is just out to shock people by making radical statements.
Comment by Mr. President — May 31, 2007″
No, I’m out to tell the truth!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:32 amThe guys who attacked on 9/11 are dead.
Comment by Shane
At Least 7 of the alledged 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive
May 31st, 2007 at 1:32 amWhat did I tell you? Just let the Reich Wing trolls talk. Encourage them to do so. Every time they speak another nail is driven into their coffin. What is really pathetic is that they know this to be true but they just can’t stop themselves.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:33 am“Damn boy, you’re a dense as the day is long. Here’s your lies, unless you’ve got links /proof…
Only an anti American liberal person living in this country would accuse our troops of terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night, or accuse them of flushing the koran down the toilet, or compare them to nazis!
…then you’re just a bliovating IDIOT, like I’ve said, over, and over, and over…
Comment by Not Canadian — May 31, 2007″
Besides your shortcomings in spelling and grammar, can you make a point?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:34 amLook up ‘Chickenhawk’ in the dictionary and you’ll find a picture of Michael.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:36 am“At Least 7 of the alledged 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive
Comment by Wayne — May 31, 2007″
Sure? They skydived out I suppose? Where do you get this liberal crap? Rosie?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:36 am“What is really pathetic is that they know this to be true but they just can’t stop themselves.
Comment by fred — May 31, 2007″
Give us an example, stupid?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:38 amMichael
Please tell us more of the truth.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:40 amWhat an *ss hole you are!
Comment by michael
And you sir have no sense of right of right wrong.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:40 amYou have no honor.
Your support of torture, which is considered a War Crime, is pure evil.
Karl Rove pays trailer trash with Pabst Blue Ribbon to post here, that’s why the trolls have trouble making sense.
Fortunately, they’ll soon drink themselves to sleep, as usual.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:40 am“Look up ‘Chickenhawk’ in the dictionary and you’ll find a picture of Michael.
Comment by Not Canadian — May 31, 2007″
Is that your BEST comeback to me?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:42 ammichael = neocon trash = no sense of right or wrong = pure evil.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:44 am“Please tell us more of the truth.
Comment by fred — May 31, 2007″
Sure! The truth starts with ignoring everything your liberal buddies post! Quite easy!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:44 amI sure liked it, so I’ll re-issue it:
LOOK UP CHICKENHAWK IN THE DICTIONARY AND YOU’LL FIND A PICTURE OF MICHAEL, WEARING GREEN SILK PANTIES.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:45 amNo Canadian > Rove gives them Colt 45 malt beer > much cheaper and makes them goofy before they nod off > lol.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:45 amMichael
Please tell me more of this thing you call “the truth”.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:46 amMichael
More truth please. Get specific. More truth please.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:48 am“Your support of torture, which is considered a War Crime, is pure evil.
Comment by Wayne — May 31, 2007″
My support of whatever it takes to safeguard your dumb liberal *ss means if they have to forcibly, and in excruciating pain have to remove a fingernail or two, or an eye, or a arm, or a foot, DO IT!
May 31st, 2007 at 1:48 ammichael > how would you like it if somebody pulled your eye out or cut your balls off?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:50 amKeep talking Michael. Please! Tell us more “truth” about torture.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:50 amcut your balls off?
Comment by Jay Randal
Obviously, this has already taken place, he’s a GRADE ‘A’ P*SSY.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:53 amComment by michael
Hard to believe what a sick, demented slimeball you have been admitting you are.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:54 amYou are evil as well as psycotic.
…and did I mention Michael’s a CHICKENHAWK???
May 31st, 2007 at 1:55 ammichael needs to watch Mel Gibson’s new movie Apocolypto { Maybe spelled incorrectly? }, because it shows what happens to sadistic people. They eventually meet a horrible death too.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:57 amMichael’s a chickenhawk. No that can’t be! Tell us it’s not so Michael. Please Michael. I beg of you - more truth please.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:58 amMichael! Please man! Don’t leave me here without the truth. Michael come back!
May 31st, 2007 at 2:19 amfred > michael either passed out from alcohol intake, or left for awhile to beat-off, or dropped dead of a heart attack?
May 31st, 2007 at 2:26 amJay, your third choice, from your keyboard to God’s ears…
May 31st, 2007 at 2:36 am“Hi? My name is Michael? I am in idiot???”
How come we only get the stupid trolls?
Why is it so hard for you all to ignore the trolls? You keep feeding them your comments and they will keep coming back for more. Stop it already.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:42 amTrojan > michael is one of the worst trolls on TP and he got beat tonight. Normally I agree it is best to ignore them.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:47 am=I hope there is(SIC) at least 500 more!
Comment by michael — May 31, 2007 @ 1:22 am
=Who cares? Who’s(SIC) side are you on? Wait! Don’t answer, I already knoe(SIC). COWARD!
Comment by michael — May 31, 2007 @ 1:27 am
=Besides your shortcomings in spelling and grammar, can you make a point?
Comment by michael — May 31, 2007 @ 1:34 am
Who on Earth are you to talk about shortcomings in spelling and grammar, Mikey–not to mention, your frequent boasting about your superior private high school education? You’ve never heard of the plural sense (like “there are”), eh? You make two spelling errors in exactly two lines. I already pointed out to you a few days ago that “who’s” is the contracted form of “who is,” but you don’t learn very well do you, Mikey?
May 31st, 2007 at 3:59 am“…they use any weapon they can - including their own urine and faeces - to continue to wage war on the United States.”
Urine and Faeces???!!!
Urine and Faeces vs Shock and Awe!
Those terrorists have me terrified. Help, George Bush! Save us from the Faeces Throwers!
May 31st, 2007 at 5:14 amThere’s so much ignorance here as to what is and what is not going on at Gitmo. Some people really need to do their homework.
It’s sad that many here have more contempt for their fellow Americans than terrorists who would gladly cut their kid’s throats.
May 31st, 2007 at 6:04 am“He was captured trying to further jihad”
OH? Is that the definition then? Fine.
Very well, then. About the $51 million dollars of our tax money which under b-movie hack Republican Ron Bonzo Reagan was covertly spent printing up Jihadist textbooks glorifying terrorism, and then distributed through our clandestine services to hundreds of madrassas, the building of which was also covertly funded with our tax money, in Afghanistan:
If “furthering” terrorism is the standard upon which we dispense with every American principle, rule, right and obligation of law, then the next arrests must be of thousands if not tens of thousands of criminal amoral elected and unelected theives on our own U.S. soil and within our own U.S. government, who have deliberately plotted to create terrorism, not just further it, purely for motives of their own profit and consolidation of their own not only wholly unconstitutional but heinously traitorous tyranny, directly at the expense and to the destruction of everything which the United States itself, and the vast majority of Americans themselves have always believed in, fought, stood, and still stand for. Republican “leaders” need look no further than their own mirror to behold “the terrorists”. It’s time they turned themselves in to save actually patriotic Americans any further expenditures of our money, which they have also intentionally devalued, in order to prosecute them under our American Constitutional Law, and when found guilty, thrown into the Halliburton camps and shiny new prisons they so eagerly advocated be used without Equal Protection, Due Process, Right of Habeas Corpus or any other foundational principle of law, for anyone whom they arbitrarily presumed to decide in their disgustingly backward “Family Feud” “Survey Says” junk-food mentality isn’t interested in “going along to get along”, straight down the road to the nazi totalitarian dictatorship America most recently defeated in WWII, and which is now represented by the globalist corporatist puppets Cheney and Bush and their sychophantic toadying lackeys.
The “clash of civilizations” is not one of terrorists, but rather one between those who are unable to do anything other than “follow orders”, and those who understand that such a mentality is the most profoundly unamerican, unpatriotic, and cowardly way for any human being who purports to respect freedom for themselves or for others to act. We support our troops, who are obligated under the dual constraints of bothy duty and duress. We cannot and we will never support those who merely wave our flag, yet whose every action proves them to be supporters not of America or the actual Rule of Law, but rather to be rabid toadying perpetrators of the most anti-American mentality, policys, and actions possible.
May 31st, 2007 at 6:26 amThis is just another reason why most Republicans get reborn as lab animals–many, many times.
May 31st, 2007 at 6:37 am=*=,
Where’d that rubbish cut & paste come from?
May 31st, 2007 at 7:22 amWhat happened to those reports that majority held in Gitmo were not considered a threat or a source of intelligence, but were being held because their torture was an embarassment to the USA. That’s the real asymetrical warfare the WH fears: America the Ugly.
May 31st, 2007 at 8:10 amlet’s make some difference
May 31st, 2007 at 8:17 amhttp://noise.amnesty.org/ site/ c.adKIIVNsEkG/ b.2336123/ k.8CD4/ Make_an_Impact.htm
so taking a leak and a dump is an act of terrorism/war now?
jesus christ.
May 31st, 2007 at 9:01 amm12 and michael:
The reason we don’t debate you scum is because you give no quarter and accept no wrong on your part. It’s always about how the _other_ guy is wrong. So you know what that makes you? Scum.
Want proof? Last night, I posted an article that proves conclusively that Bush and Cheney, as of the last poll, and to a lesser extent, the Republicans, are disliked more than the Democrats. Yes, you’re right, the Dems approval rating is not astronomical, as most people are saying the democrats are OK or the pollsters aren’t sure, but when you compare ‘poor’ readings, it’s Bush and Cheney who are hands-down the bad guys. Instead of acknowledging that, you go off on some tangent. Many of us are sick and tired of debunking the same bullshit time and time and time and time and time again, and running in circles with you. So, pardon us while _we_ control the flow of the debate and choose when and if to debate you.
Have a nice day.
May 31st, 2007 at 9:25 amgood ridance. maybe the rest of em will follow suit
May 31st, 2007 at 9:31 amSorry to disillusion you, Shane, but they are still alive, and placed within the Bush Administration. Why do you think there was no criminal investigation? They would have been investigating themselves. Much easier to pin the blame on someone else. Funny thing, too, as some of the alleged hijackers have been seen since that day.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Sssshhhh, can’t speak logic to michael and m12. They are using 9/11 as an excuse to be homicidal maniacs against all Muslims. Sick twisted bastards both of them.
May 31st, 2007 at 9:58 ammichael > how would you like it if somebody pulled your eye out or cut your balls off?
Comment by Jay Randal — May 31, 2007 @ 1:50 am
Jay, obviously michael has no balls. How about if they removed his spleen.
May 31st, 2007 at 10:06 amIt’s sad that many here have more contempt for their fellow Americans than terrorists who would gladly cut their kid’s throats.
Comment by Toliver — May 31, 2007 @ 6:04 am
Do you think soldiers, encouraged to torture prisoners, will be model citizens when they get back to this country. We don’t blame the soldiers as much as the administration that encourages crimes against humanity.
May 31st, 2007 at 10:10 amIt is sad that the Right wing always uses the either or choice. It is perfectly possible to hate terrorists and also to hate the tactics that Bush and Cheney have allowed our once great nation to sink to.
-GSD
May 31st, 2007 at 10:33 amShane,
Many here seem indiferent to the jihadists that are murdering infidels, oppressing women and torturing gays across the globe on a daily basis while at the same time incensed at your fellow Americans for facing the problem. Effed up I’d say that is.
Oh, and I’ll say again that people should consider reading up on what really goes on at Gitmo [and who is there] from legitimate news sources.
May 31st, 2007 at 10:33 amI thought this thread was disgusting when I left it last night. I see that it descended into a bloodthirsty frenzy of troll hell.
Tonight is the full moon. I will pray for justice.
May 31st, 2007 at 10:34 amTrolling and differences of opinion concerning jihadists are two differnet things Zooey.
May 31st, 2007 at 10:50 amTrolling and differences of opinion concerning jihadists are two differnet things Zooey.
Comment by Toliver
Don’t lecture me, Toliver. I’ve been on earth long enough to know bloodthirsty when I see it. If you can find any excuse for the words of trolls like “michael” and “m12,” then you’re one of them.
You’re able to complete a full sentence, unlike michael and m12, but you’re saying the same thing.
Since this man who committed suicide was never charged with a crime, never saw a judge, never had a lawyer, never made any sort of guilty or not guilty plea, was never brought to trial, and never convicted of any crime whatsoever, he is as innocent as any of us.
If you say different, you have lost what made you an American, because that’s not what America is supposed to be about.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:18 ammichael and m12,
A great deal of the detainees in Guantanamo are there because they were turned in to collect lucrative rewards offered by the U.S. They were not captured red-handed. They were not under suspicion by coalition forces. They were turned in by someone who needed the money and probably didn’t care for them. This is one of the many reasons why expedient trials for the detainees are so important.
I can’t imagine anything more frustrating than being imprisoned indefinitely for something that I had not done…might drive anyone to drastic measures.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:39 amAnd you get satisfaction out of being no better than them. The guys who attacked on 9/11 are dead. Does torturing people just because their muslims until they die or commit suicide make us any different than them. No, it makes us the same. Why do you hate people you’re just like?
We are better than them. We didn’t behead this guy, did we?
May 31st, 2007 at 11:45 amYou know who this person was?
Are you aware of the procedures set in place at Guantanamo?
Oh, and btw, I’d rather be a prisoner at Gitmo than held in one of Castro’s gulags for writing poetry or even in a US penitentiary.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:45 amWhere’d you get that information? Link?
May 31st, 2007 at 11:47 amActually, nobody here mad a fuss, EXCEPT YOU, dufus! This thread is proof that the 28%ers have NOTHING left to cling to, other than their own shit, which is sinking fast…
May 31st, 2007 at 11:53 amLook the man was caught on a battlefield with a gun. There need not be a trial. Just keep him off the battlefield until the war is over. If he kills himself so what! As for treating him like a caged animal take a trip down there. They eat better then we do. They have all the things they need or want except the freedom to go fight again. What do they do in response to our humane treatment of them. They spit on us. through urine and human waste and just downright act stupid.
As for his 72 virgins he can’t have them now. Suicide nulifies the contract. Plus he misread the contract. It is 72 Virginians!
May 31st, 2007 at 11:55 amWhere’d you get that information? Link?
Comment by Toliver — May 31, 2007 @ 11:47 am
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0531-10.htm
May 31st, 2007 at 11:56 amWhere’d you get that information? Link?
Comment by Toliver — May 31, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Or if you prefer wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Guant%C3%A1namo_Bay_detainment_camp#Cash_reward_for_turning_in
May 31st, 2007 at 11:58 amWhere’d you get that information? Link?
Comment by Toliver — May 31, 2007 @ 11:47 am
Or a more comprehensive examination of all the detainees:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Denbeaux_study
May 31st, 2007 at 11:59 amYou know who this person was?
Are you aware of the procedures set in place at Guantanamo?
Oh, and btw, I’d rather be a prisoner at Gitmo than held in one of Castro’s gulags for writing poetry or even in a US penitentiary.
Comment by Toliver
I see that you are able to persist in supporting the insupportable.
That just who you are.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:01 pm“Look the man was caught on a battlefield with a gun. There need not be a trial. Just keep him off the battlefield until the war is over.”
Robert (posting #148) is correct. According to the international law of war, nations who capture enemy combatants on the battlefield are permitted to detain the combatant for the duration of the conflict. There is no requirement for a trial or determination of “guilt or innocence” since the detainment is not for punitive purposes.
Erock, however, raises a valid point. If he was not captured on the battlefield and was rather “turned in” by tribesmen, there should be some type of hearing to determine if he is an enemy combatant.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:14 pmComment by Exley — May 31, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
I agree with you in part Exley. However, who exactly are we at war with? Claiming that we can detain indefinitely anyone who is deemed to be an enemy combatant is comparable to saying that we can indefinitely detain a 16 year old holding a joint since we are currently engaged in a war on drugs. It’s all just a bit absurd and the U.S. can and should do better.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:20 pm142 Zooey and 153 erock
Excellent points! Kudos.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:29 pmerok,
The AP coumn doesn’t support your accusation. Be carefull with wiki, as anyone can edit an entry, including yours truly.
Zooely,
Tell me all you know of POWs, unlawful enemy combatants, enemy combatants, spies and saboteurs.
What’s “insupportable” is the modern liberal’s weakness in the face of an evil that’s currently seeking the means to destroy entire Western cities.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:31 pmErock, however, raises a valid point. If he was not captured on the battlefield and was rather “turned in†by tribesmen, there should be some type of hearing to determine if he is an enemy combatant.
Comment by Exley
He’s dead, Exley — much to the delight of the more bloodthirsty monsters here.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:32 pmToliver,
You may call me Zooey, or more simply, don’t address me at all. Thanks.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:33 pm142 Zooey and 153 erock
Excellent points! Kudos.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
Thank you, PLC. :-)
May 31st, 2007 at 12:37 pmComment by Toliver — May 31, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
If you read the article it most certainly does support my assertion. Also, read the 3rd link I sent you. It cites a study which you can find here:
http://law.shu.edu/ news/ guantanamo_report_final_2_08_06.pdf
But by all means, don’t let facts get in your way.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:39 pmI’m sorry. But Zooey is right. The trolls are bloodthirsty goons worthy of a lynch mob.
The people held at Gitmo have been subjected to a series of violations of the Geneva Conventions. They’ve been arbitrarily removed from the place of capture, denied access to lawyers and the Red Cross, held in solitary, tortured, and denied due process of law.
The tribunals they are only now beginning to face are also contrary to international law. And it’s taken this long to set them up because all earlier versions were so obviously kangaroo courts. Sadly, journalists see these too as inadequate.
The Republican trolls on this thread seem to demand all rights when poor Scooter or Gonzo go before the courts, but they chuck everything into the trashbin when the religion, skin color, and nationality doesn’t meet their standard.
Gitmo is NOT a POW camp. It’s a concentration camp. And torture happens there. The terms the WH uses to keep these men prisoners are deceitful. Lawful or unlawful combatants do have rights and these prisoners are denied all rights.
What is most offensive are the comments by the trolls wanting to exact vengence on these men for crimes committed since they were arrested by other people in other countries. By this logic, I should arrest and torture any Calfornian simply because a guy got mugged in LA. Where did this kind of bizarre thinking come from? And you wonder why the world hates the USA.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:44 pmNobody here really knows if this guy was grabbed for the ransom money and handed over to the US, or really was an enemy combatant. He is accused of being a terrorist, but this has not been proven. That’s why we have due process. People are supposed to be proven guilty. I don’t think this guy was.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:58 pmSorry zooey.
Ercok,
Denbeaux is council for terrorists. I’ll still give that 28 page paper a read, but I think I know what concerns are coming, as they’ve most likely been addressed.
David, the Red Cross was at Gitmo. Torture? Hardly.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:09 pmPeople are supposed to be proven guilty. I don’t think this guy was.
Comment by ForTruth — May 31, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Agreed.
The international law that Exley cites as justification for holding these people prisoner does not in any way apply to the “War on Terror.” Terror will never sign a treaty and thus the conflict will never be over. So to apply your international law in this case, Exley, is to condemn these men to death with no trial. If you would prefer to label them as “unlawful combatants,” which arguably may be more apt, then under the Geneva convention they are entitled to trials to prove their guilt or innocence of actions that made them an “unlawful combatant.” This was the case in the Luanda Trial regarding mercenaries fighting in Angola.
Now, that said, how can we expect to be a beacon of democracy for the budding nations of Afghanistan and Iraq to emulate if we don’t lead by example. This is expecially true when it comes to the treatment of THEIR citizens.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:12 pmDenbeaux is council for terrorists.
-Toliver
Denbeaux is a professor of law at Seton Hall in New Jersey.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:15 pmDenbeaux is council for terrorists.
-Toliver
Denbeaux is a professor of law at Seton Hall in New Jersey.
Comment by erock — May 31, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
His son was the coucil for detainees. None of whom have been found to be terrorists. Combatants at best.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:19 pmMany here seem indiferent to the jihadists that are murdering infidels, oppressing women and torturing gays across the globe on a daily basis while at the same time incensed at your fellow Americans for facing the problem. Effed up I’d say that is.
Comment by Toliver
Nobody her is indifferent or supports jihadists. That is the typical right wing talking point.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:22 pmNo, it makes us the same. Why do you hate people you’re just like?
We are better than them. We didn’t behead this guy, did we?
Comment by m12 — May 31, 2007 @ 11:45 am
But he’s just as dead as if we had.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:23 pmMaybe he killed himself out of guilt.
May 31st, 2007 at 5:08 pmWhen prisoners in the Soviet Union committed suicide, it was considered proof that the Soviet prison system was sadisitc and unfair and that the prisoners there had no hope other than the release of death. When prisoners in U.S. custody commit suicide, we’re supposed to believe that the prisoners are somehow committing an act of war against the United States.Does nobody in the United States government see the double standard here?
May 31st, 2007 at 6:13 pmDoes nobody in the United States government see the double standard here?
Comment by Stephen
No. Nor do these f*cking sick trolls.
May 31st, 2007 at 9:28 pmThis is disgusting. You hold people without a trial, and then are blase when they commit suicide.
June 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pmOk to all you people who have your comments and want a say so in this war i have something to tell you….. i work here in this war on terrorism and i work with the task force in cuba … to let you people know this ruling on the conditions they are in are not bleak in fact they have improved even more than you think.. this place where i work is constantly watched by the media and yet the media does not have a clue on what we do but i can assure you these detainees are being held under the geneva convention or they wouldnt be posted up every where they are detained … THE AMERICAN society is being twisted by the terrorist MEDIA …. TO DO YOU ALL A FAVOR READ THE MANCHESTER DOCUMENT it is what the terrorist go by and if you read it carefully i belive on page 13 of the document it will read what they are trying to do to you all…… one i know and follow personally TURN THEIR OWN PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER…. if you keep believing this media and forget about the war we are fighting and why well let me let you know this war for them is a RELIGOUS WAR and they will not stop due to their culture BASED ON RELIGION…. on the other hand WE ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR FUTURE PROTECTION…. and when i say based on religion go look into a QURAN the MUSLIMS BIBLE OF GOD i have read parts of it and i know why they fight look amongst SARAT 25-35 and you will see why they wont stop fighting …. so my message to you all be americans support your troops because we are fighting for our future freedom… also if you want a further insight i dont believe any soldier or american journalist that has been taken by these terrorists groups for example taliban , al-qeada and many others have ever detained an american yet i have seen on the media that they do kill them mercilessly by cutting their heads or doing more torture than you people belive take my advice and look into the quran and manchester documents and until then just keep your comments to yourself before you run at the mouth by ignorance of what the media tells you!!
June 8th, 2007 at 3:36 pm