Preserving the ‘white, Christian, male power structure.’
Via Atrios, Bill O’Reilly and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) discuss immigration:
O’REILLY: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you’re a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you’ve got to cap with a number.
MCCAIN: In America today we’ve got a very strong economy and low unemployment, so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture, but there may come a time where we have an economic downturn, and we don’t need so many.
O’REILLY: But in this bill, you guys have got to cap it. Because estimation is 12 million, there may be 20 [million]. You don’t know, I don’t know. We’ve got to cap it.
MCCAIN: We do, we do. I agree with you.
Watch it:
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That’s funny, I thought part of being a right-winger involved actively denying that we have a white, Christian, male power structure established in our country. I bet if he’s ever asked about it O’Reilly will flatly deny ever having said so.
May 31st, 2007 at 10:49 amdo these fellows have their security team check the toilet before they talk to god?
May 31st, 2007 at 10:50 amif we let animals like this talk on the airwaves, no other culture is ever going to come and visit us. think about this tripe going out in every direction toward the rest of the universe. It is embarrassing being an american, a denizen of Sol 3 now. but this, an intergalactic disgrace, or dare I say it, universal?
Why does anyone take a clueless asshat like Dild O’Reilly seriously?
May 31st, 2007 at 10:51 amCaption Contest:
O’Reilly: “So you pat down the falafel like this and then you…”
McCain: “So when do I get tied up again? Can we hurry up to that bit?”
May 31st, 2007 at 10:52 amAnd… what is exactly wrong with breaking down the white, Christian, male power structure?
May 31st, 2007 at 10:53 amAre they saying that maybe we shouldn’t have given the vote to blacks, women, Jews and Muslims?
The worst kind of stupid is the stupid that happens to clever people who are unaware that they’ve stepped in a big steaming pile of stupid. It lingers.
May 31st, 2007 at 10:53 amMcKaane . . . a presidential candidate . . . and he puts his grill on fox ? And with the so over Bill O no less.
May 31st, 2007 at 10:54 amDude is expecting to fail.
BO: They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure….
Hell yeah, I do — and I’m not an immigrant.
May 31st, 2007 at 10:55 amUmm… Mr. McCain… just because you have foot doesn’t mean you have to both shoot yourself there, and then put it in your mouth
May 31st, 2007 at 10:55 amBill 0′Reilly = Captain Insano.
Exactly how are Mexicans going to break down the white, Christian, male, power structure? Once I learn how, I’ll do it for them!
May 31st, 2007 at 10:55 amO’Reilly is a RACIST. He’s afraid that non-whites will one day become a voting majority and put white, Christian males out of power.
May 31st, 2007 at 10:55 amIt is called White Supremacy.
-GSD
May 31st, 2007 at 10:58 amso here we have orily and mackain discussing the immigration problem and at the same time our wonderful homeland joke allowed a individual who has contracted a viriulent strain of TB and whose name was supposedly on a no- fly list to enter this country “legally” and to travel within this country.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:00 amNow- just don’t let these bloody fools and their fellow idiots to change the subject. The problem is the Homeland Security Agency is simply and abortion. It is a joke. They can’t and for some reason wont protect this country.
So- here we are folks- worrying about immigration while rome burns!
Well, I don’t think O’Reilly could have made it more clear that he is a racist, sexist, slime ball.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:01 amI applaud O’Reilly for his honesty, and I certainly hope that this is recorded for posterity. It’s about time people like him dropped all the code language and admit who they really are, and what their goals really are.
I’m astonished, really, that he came out and spelled it out so clearly: he is part of the white, “Christian” male power structure and he does not want to give up that power, however ill-deserved it is. Certainly not willing to give it up to dusky women, right, Bill?
The gloves are off.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:03 amBill O’Reilly — the new leader of Aryan Nations.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:03 ambreak down the white, Christian, male power structure
Bill shows his true colors.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:03 amO’Reilly is part of the Right wing douche bag pussy party.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:04 amThe gloves come off and the hoods go on….
May 31st, 2007 at 11:06 amHahahaha. These idiots give us so much fun.
Forget about the white and Christian power (immigrants, most of them are Christians), thats just racist and religious-based (uh, even Saddam´s regime had more liberties for other religions that the one this a-hole is proposing)…but the male power???
That is completely gay.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:06 amI’m not too surpised by the comments, but it’s always interesting when they actually come out and say what they are about.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:07 amLittle Billy O’Reilly is really worried alright.
If it weren’t for the white, male power structure, Little Billy (1) wouldn’t have a TV show and (2) couldn’t get away with harrassing subordinates and having phone sex with unwilling partners.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:08 amThis one isn’t about Bill, necessarily - we expect that from him. It’s that a top candidate for President agreed with him that the white, male, christian power structure must be preserved. Sounds like McCain is pro-W.A.R. in more ways than one.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:09 amIn the past people wore pointed white hoods when they said these things. Now they are on prime time FOX news and running for president.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:10 amAre they saying that maybe we shouldn’t have given the vote to blacks, women, Jews and Muslims?
Comment by Art
Basically, yes.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:12 amPerhaps it is time to start mailing some white sheets to Bill O’Reilly?
-GSD
May 31st, 2007 at 11:12 amBut you have to understand, the pointed white hoods were simply meant to cover their pointed white heads.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:13 amHa ha ha. Nice quote by McCain:
MCCAIN: In America today we’ve got a very strong economy and low unemployment, so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture, but there may come a time where we have an economic downturn, and we don’t need so many.
A very strong economy? Because the top story on my yahoo page says worst growth since 2002. I also like that he said that we need addition farm workers. I assume that means farm workers who know how to add two numbers together. But the thing that is more funny is that in the next clause, he decided to include ‘agriculture’ in with the farm workers. Really? What other types of farms are there? Are we talking about the funny farms that pump out Carlos Mencia types? Are we talking about the farm programs of the MLB? I just wonder why the hell he needed to add that little nugget about the farm workers including agriculture.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:16 amO/T but. . ..
BREAKING:
per everyones’
great letter-writing efforts,
of yesterday, and earlier. . .
libby letters — set free!
immediately after sentencing!
i’ll have an image of the order in
mere moments, there — but as soon “as
practicable on, or after june 5, 2007,”
the libby-letters — with such redactions
as are ordered by judge walton, will be public. . .
“so ordered, may 31, 2007.”
May 31st, 2007 at 11:17 amhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/ 2007/ 05/ economy-has-worst-growth-since-2002.html
no US growth
May 31st, 2007 at 11:21 amThe pr*ck knows what has gone on in this country in the past and what goes on in his dark little heart regarding racism.
The idea of being a minority scares the crap out of him.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:22 amI think Bush is needing new customers. Those ones who can pay. I think therefore hes pretty interested in immigration. Bush is too long in war
May 31st, 2007 at 11:22 am“so ordered, may 31, 2007.â€
Comment by nolo
Fantastic!
BTW, that picture of Cheney on the top of your blog is f*ck all scary. :}
May 31st, 2007 at 11:22 amThis from the same guy who wonders why he can’t use the N-word like black people do…
May 31st, 2007 at 11:22 am#25
May 31st, 2007 at 11:22 amI thought so. But I didn’t think they would be so stupid to say it out loud.
It’s all about creating excuses for having shi**y standards as white Christian males. Blame the NY Times for their own self inflicted, authoritarian, corrupt, party of political incest. Please.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:23 amYou know what would probably help the white, Christian, male power structure to keep itself strong? Fear and anonymity.
White, Christian, right-wing males should start dressing up in sheets and hoods, and start anonymously burning crosses in colored people’s yards. That should strike fear into their hearts.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:24 amWhat has happened to our usual trolls? Jake? Venus? Hello? Surely you must have some argument why O’Reilly’s comments should not be viewed as racist and sexist; why his statement was rational? HELLO??
May 31st, 2007 at 11:25 amO’Reilly & McCain then put on some shoe polish and did some minstrel numbers for the folks back home.
OR: Who dat who say dey gonna beat dem Dems, my deluded friend?
May 31st, 2007 at 11:27 amJM: Who dey who say dat? I say dat, my disgusted gentleman.
A very strong economy? Because the top story on my yahoo page says worst growth since 2002.
Comment by Ben B
Duh. The show happened yesterday. How could McCain know about the news of today? /troll stupidity
May 31st, 2007 at 11:28 amI think we owe Firedoglake a big THANKS for the fact that the judge will release the support letters, Im sure their letter weighed heavily on this decision.
Im sure the wingers will go bonkers over this one, they still haven’t recovered from confirmation of Plame’s covert status.
LOL
squirm you dirt bag neocons, we are just getting started!
May 31st, 2007 at 11:28 amSince when is Bill O. a Christian ?
May 31st, 2007 at 11:31 amOne would think Andrea Macris and the Falafel would have something to say about that.
Or maybe Bill thinks that Jesus didn’t hear any of his dirty talk.
Oh and brown male christians(Catholics) are not allowed in this exclusive club. My bad……..the key word was “white”.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:33 amI’ve said it before, and I’ll keep saying it: O’reilly and McCain, as well as other like-minded cretins, are correct on this issue - but for the wrong reason(s).
You cannot have a viable form of government, nor a fully integrated society, if the governed do not share a common language. We are a Constitutional Republic. As such, all authority and derivative law issue from the language of our Constitution. Our Constitution is written in English, and we (the English-speaking) already argue about exactly what it means (our highest court is charged, solely, with this function). You cannot express the same idea(s) accurately in two different languages. There is no such thing as an intelligible one-to-one translation. If we allow a bilingual citizenry, we loose the functionality of our Constitution and the rights enumerated therein.
Immigration should be robust and liberal. Those truly in need of a political refuge should be welcomed regardless of language proficiency. However, immigration as a means to an economic end must also be legal, highly regulated, and in the best interests of the nation.
Look to Roman history for parallels.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:36 amOf course, those comments are racist and sexist. Some people are racists and sexists. TP is distracting everyone from the issue at hand. “Oh, look! A racist and a sexist! Now don’t you agree 12-20 immigrants should come into the country? H1B visa-holders, also?” “Sure, bring them in and let them stay, for I do not want to be labelled a racist and sexist,” say Americans. “I’m so worried about being labelled a racist and sexist that I’ll give an immigrant MY job!”
May 31st, 2007 at 11:42 amMeanwhile, Hershey just moved its Oakdale, CA to Mexico. Those were good-paying jobs taken from Americans who dedicated their working lives to Hershey.
But … I thought Bill O’Reilly was a working class “shanty Irish” guy (whose father was a college-educated oil company accountant) who grew up on the wrong side of the tracks (suburban Long Island) and had to claw his way up (private high school, private college) to make it in this world! You mean he benefitted from being a white Christian male?
May 31st, 2007 at 11:46 ammidwestblue, that is such a false argument. Hershey moving to Mexico is a NAFTA problem, not an immigration problem.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:48 amYou would have to be naive to not have known this already.
At least O’Reilly says it like it is - sort of.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:50 amI think what he means is that he is worried about the preservation of the “White” power structure.
The fact is that most undocumented immigrants are Christian/Catholic males - yet we already know O’Reilly’s stance on them.
Really midwestblue, the more I think of what you said the more I am baffled. I would assume Oakdale, CA would have plenty of immigrants to hire but they instead move the plant to Mexico and somehow it is because of immigration??
May 31st, 2007 at 11:52 amFEAR is the name of the con’s game. They just stink of fear.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:53 amFace it Oreilly, the very same power structure that uses illegal labor is the very same power structure causing your immigration problem.
NAFTA CAFTA made great sums of money but did not lessen immigration..hello.
no other culture is ever going to come and visit us. think about this tripe going out in every direction toward the rest of the universe.
I think our transmissions have covered some 10 star systems. I doubt if an Alien culture could make sense out of such insane hypocrisy and Orwellian rhetoric as what our pundits and elected leaders say and do. Earth to an Alien probably would look like an insane asylum.
May 31st, 2007 at 11:55 am“TP is distracting everyone from the issue at hand. “Oh, look! A racist and a sexist! Now don’t you agree 12-20 immigrants should come into the country?”
Comment by midwestblue”
I don’t think anyone is getting distracted. There is plenty of discussion going on about that. Everywhere.
These guys are racists though, and they need to be called on it. Do you disagree that major public figures should be called on for their racist comments?
May 31st, 2007 at 11:56 amThere you have it! White Anglo Saxon Protestants revealing the true reason they hate immigrants. Although there are some very legitimate concerns to regulate the flow of immigration, I think the real reason most anti-immigrant groups are so vehemently anti-immigrant is because the current wave of immigrants is predominantly Latino, mostly Mexican, olive or brown complected, though in many cases just as as white skinned as Orally himself, Catholics who tend to see the world through a prism of the lower class and the underpriviledged to whom progressive ideals appeal to greatly. Orally is absolutely correct in saying that the WASP male power structure is in peril. However, it’s not going to be replaced by a particular race, color, or religion, it’s going to be replaced by a coalition of all races, colors and religions all who share progressive values and who potentially can help to bring about changes not only to our country but to the world. The poor bastard WASPs desperately want to keep America white as if white is right and every other color is wrong.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:00 pmunless you have been here for a few thousand years, you are an illegal immigrant. we have signed treaties allowing you to be here, but you have not lived up to your side of the treaty so you are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!
there, how does that feel?
btw, the white, xtian, males have f**cked it up enough, we must get the reigns of power OUT of their hands to save the republic.
we will never have any respect as long as we have white, xtian, males in charge since the world knows cowboys never grow up.
btw, ever wonder why 99% of serial killers is a white, xtian, male?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:03 pmWell at least he comes out and says it. But it’s still bullS#!+.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:06 pmSo what if “white, Christian, male” people want to retain their power. Mexico, for one, would go batsh*t if people from the U.S. were plotting to change its demographics. Don’t act as if that wouldn’t matter, either.
It’s about behavior, not race. 60% of what O’Reilly says may be crap, but he’s merely pointing out the sick socialist scheme going on in this country, the type that all of you advocate. Why bash him for calling you out? He should be proud to be what he is without you bums sticking it to him.
All of you take everything from your skewed perspective of history, and you are irrelevant.
And Zooey, it’s good to see you as part of the scheme. Radical is radical, and feminism is no exception. Think America would be better of on your agenda?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:07 pmIntelligent nations work together, regardless of race. Mexico is not one of those intelligent nations.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:10 pmMexico is not one of those intelligent nations.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Intelligent nations? Is that a concept like Intelligent buildings? Cuz Ive met houses really dumb.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:12 pmO’REILLY: […] They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you’re a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of [brown people].
MCCAIN: In America today [blah] strong economy and low unemployment, so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture, but there may come a time where we have an economic downturn, and we don’t need so many.
he tried, he really tried to keep from going where b.o. was trying to take him… but then he just tripped all over his talking points and came up with - what? what the hell is he talking about: “don’t need so many”? … and where else do you find “farm workers” if not agriculture?…
oh, by the way…
what a disappointment this guy is…
May 31st, 2007 at 12:13 pmThanks for deleting my post, Thinkprogress
May 31st, 2007 at 12:15 pmComment by Juan C
Well, I do know that your statement was a tall-order of stupidity.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:16 pmWhat these guys don’t explicitly talk about is why they fear being a minority. They would tell you that they can’t trust Mexicans or blacks to be fair to them, though they would argue to their death that they have always been fair and just in their rule. Of course knowing republicans they project ugly un attractive unpopular traits onto others when those traits are simply a manifestation of what a typical republican sees in the mirror staring back at themselves. This if they say a Hispanic can not be trusted to govern fairly it is simply because they know they themselves have not governed fairly. Or if they say Sadaam was menacing his neighbors, it is simply that they want his country for the purpose of menacing his neighbors and getting them into line with US Energy policy and needs.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:17 pmbut he’s merely pointing out the sick socialist scheme going on in this country, the type that all of you advocate.
I see the troll has been reading the socialist conspiracy stuff again.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:18 pmGo see Borat, CompTroller.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:19 pmWell, I do know that your statement was a tall-order of stupidity.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Coming from a guy who qualifies intelligence of “nations”, it really doesnt bother me.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:20 pmThis is who they are!!!
May 31st, 2007 at 12:21 pmYou can signal intelligence, for, by the crappy shape of Mexico’s economy. America has a healthy, vibrant and lucrative economy. It’s about ye’ old Economy, stupid.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:24 pmO’Reilly, has inadvertently offered possibly the best reason for people to vote for Hillary, Barak or Bill Richardson. Hillary’s not a man and Barak and Richardson are not all white. If there were a liberal agnostic black woman available, she’d have my vote in a second. White, male christians have had their chance and the record has been mixed at best.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:26 pmcomtroller: “Thanks for deleting my post, Thinkprogress”
I’ll second that thanks. Please delete more of them.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:27 pmI wonder if an “intelligent nation” can be run by a President who’s an idiot? I think the answer must be, “only very poorly.”
May 31st, 2007 at 12:27 pmComment by Bluedog49
We all know that liberals are for vigorous censorship.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:29 pmComment by Oversight is a Bitch
Strawman argument, America hater.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:30 pmAmerica has the right to preserve what it wants to preserve. Stop seeking to meddle with its demographics. America does not want to become a third-world country. It’s not a long shot to claim, because many immigrants these days are coming from a slum country into a fully-developed nation. Naturally, it doesn’t bode well.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:33 pmNice to see more RACISTS speaking out for the Republicans. Falls right in line with the current Republican leaders.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:35 pmThe TROLLS have arrived, but somehow cannot find any way to defend O’Reilly’s RACIST and SEXIST comments. Hahahaha! Hilarious.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:38 pmFrightened little white men can be so ugly. Grow a set, guys. It’s a big world out there and most of the people on it are not white. Quit whining and live with it.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:38 pmComment by Bluedog49
“Have had their chance”
Well, that’s not for you to decide. The fighters of WWII (majority European) didn’t come home from battle to bring our country into the here-and-now on a “chance” provided by people who can’t get their act together. So, they (foreigners) seek to destroy those who are successful and provide for their own common defense, as well as that of other countries, generously.
Thanks for your delusional input. Keep overrating yourself.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:38 pm“If we allow a bilingual citizenry, we loose the functionality of our Constitution and the rights enumerated therein.”
Comment by smafdy — May 31, 2007 @ 11:36 am
I am more concerned that we have a lot of citizens like you who can’t spell - it’s “lose” not “loose”.
I think Switzerland would refute your argument pretty well. Try again.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:39 pm#75m how is a person who comes into work slaughtering our chickens and picking our strawberries seeking to destroy us? I am sorry, but you sound like a scaredy-cat.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:40 pmComment by Bluedog49
We all know that liberals are for vigorous censorship.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 31, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch
Strawman argument, America hater.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 31, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Oh, the irony.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:43 pmComptroller#71: “America has the right to preserve what it wants to preserve.”
Comptroller#75: “Well, that’s not for you to decide.”
Hahaha, the clueless troll thinks he calls the shots around here. Pathetic, stupid and passionately full of himself - a perfect example of what this thread is about.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:44 pm“I am sorry, but you sound like a scaredy-cat.” Actually, as a Republican might say, CompTROLLER sounds like a pussy.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:45 pm“But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you’re a part, and so am I”
This must be what it felt like to be an ordinary German, watching helplessly as your country was overtaken by fascist, insane, racist, godnuts, who finally dropped the code words and started being explicit.
(a) The NYT and far left? Count me in as wanting the eradication of a-holes like Billo, and I am neither the NYT nor far left.
(b) “White” power structure, represented as something worth defending as a meaningful institutional requirement? Silly me, I thought America was for Americans, not for whites.
(c) “Christian”? First of all, numbnuts, do you not realize that virtually all those brown people are Christian? More importantly, you anti-American hack, if you hadn’t noticed, the US is a secular nation by definition and by intent. How dare you hold up your notion of a Christian power structure as something to be aspired to, something to be defended, or something to be admired? This idea would be so shocking to Jefferson, Adams, et al, as to be almost treasonous.
(d) “of which you’re a part”? Well, technically McCain is still part of the power structure, but he’s so completely lost credibility that it’s only a matter of time that he just blows away. The fact that he would listen to a stupid statement like this, and not call out Billo on the carpet for being an anti-American pig, is enough proof of how devoid McCain is of any remaining qualifications of leadership.
(e) “and so am I”? Oh, that’s rich. The guy has a talk show and that makes him part of the power structure? Please. And the fact that it is a declining talk show living on the fumes of a corrupt regime and corrupt ideology whithering in its dying throes (if you will) is completely lost on this fool.
Ugh. I need to take a shower.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:48 pmComment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 31, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
America has the right to preserve what it wants to preserve.
America also has the right to institutionalize slavery, as it once did. The question is, what is the right thing to do? What is the ebest thing for the nation?
As a nation founded by immigrants and built on the the strength and contributions of immigrants, some might say that immigration is, on balance, a good thing.
Stop seeking to meddle with its demographics.
No one is seeking to “meddle” with demographics except those seeking to preserve the status quo. Immigration is a natural force of society. Always has been. Adventurous people always seek new opportunities.
America does not want to become a third-world country. It’s not a long shot to claim, because many immigrants these days are coming from a slum country into a fully-developed nation.
That’s kind of racist, to assume that more immigrants means third-world status. In fact, half of all immigration is from developed nations in Europe and Asia. Those who come here, whether from Ireland or from El Salvador, make the journey because they are willing to take great chances and risk everything for the chance to succeed. But you don’t see that. You just seee that they’re brown.
Naturally, it doesn’t bode well.
If you had any clue about what was “natural”, you wouldn’t think the way you do.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:50 pmComment by Bluedog49
Again, you’ve got it on backwards.
America has paved the way for many to lead a better life, yet all you do is hate it.
“Hahaha, the clueless troll thinks he calls the shots around here. Pathetic, stupid and passionately full of himself - a perfect example of what this thread is about.”
Accusing others of doing exactly what you are doing is always a good way to deflect attention off yourself. HAHAHAH….whiny brat. HAHAHAH. You’re not a very good thinker. When you advocate wiping out the existence of one group to make room for another, that’s a by-the-book definition of one who “think he calls the shots around here.”
Oh, the irony. It only strengthens the point that you defend bums and criminals. Your creepy agenda isn’t meant to prevail. Bluedog49, so creative.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:55 pm“America has the right to preserve what it wants to preserve. “
America (”the people”) has defined what is the most important thing to preserve. It’s defined in the Constitution and its amendments.
I see nothing in there about “white” or “Christian”.
F*ck off, all you anti-American pigs. If you don’t like the nation defined by our Constitution, by all means you are welcome to leave it. Or, you are welcome to lobby for change to the Constitution. But in the meantime, don’t pretend that you represent or America or stand for it’s defined ideals.
Why is it that these self-proclaimed patriots don’t even grok the foundation of the country?
May 31st, 2007 at 12:56 pmHere’s a breif history lesson for that big dumb white guy whining on television:
From John Adams, our first conservative president:
“The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” Treaty of Tripoly, article 11
May 31st, 2007 at 12:58 pmOh, the irony.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
**snort**
He’ll never get it….
May 31st, 2007 at 12:59 pmCompfooler: “When you advocate wiping out the existence of one group to make room for another, that’s a by-the-book definition of one who “think he calls the shots around here.â€
Hey stupid. Just a few minutes ago, you were dismissing an argument as a “strawman.” You’re the only a-hole around here talking about “wiping out the existence of a group.”
May 31st, 2007 at 1:00 pm“It only strengthens the point that you defend bums and criminals.”
I see. Only non-white, non-male, non-Christians are bums or criminals.
Yeah.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:03 pmBernard: “I see. Only non-white, non-male, non-Christians are bums or criminals.”
More whiny paranoia.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:07 pmCompTROLLER V-1:
Karl told me to tell you to quit it. Your stupid arguments are not doing us any good, they just make our side look stupider. He says you could do more good if you went back to just scouring USA Today for any references to John Edwards and haircuts like you were doing before.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:07 pmComment by KRank
“America also has the right to institutionalize slavery, as it once did. The question is, what is the right thing to do? What is the ebest thing for the nation?”
Sometimes, there are bad things to fix. Doesn’t give you the right of way to advocate genocide against Europeans. Whites took part in slavery, whites agreed erase its institution. Does that not count for something, radical?
“As a nation founded by immigrants and built on the the strength and contributions of immigrants, some might say that immigration is, on balance, a good thing.”
I’ve said this many times: you solve immigration problems with social jargon from that of 200+ years ago. Developed countries REGULATE immigration as it pleases to conform to its agenda to REMAIN a developed country. Your mind is stuck on illustrations of pages 1-300 of a history text. Get yourself a new map. Whites were immigrants too, and the WWII warriors who came home built this nation into what it was and made it a top country for innovation and a remarkable place to do business. America does business with intelligent nations, and it shouldn’t have the burden of regulating street protests of La Raza hate groups and providing welfare to third-world people. But you don’t get it.
“No one is seeking to “meddle†with demographics except those seeking to preserve the status quo. Immigration is a natural force of society. Always has been. Adventurous people always seek new opportunities.”
Another self-serving contention. America can preserve any status quo it wants, just like developed countries like Japan can do the same. It can strenghthen its immigration laws to remain and become more of an economic powerhouse. Hasn’t hurt Japan, has it? A consistent regulation, that’s the ticket. Adventurous people, like those in America, sought to develop their own country instead of meddling with someones elses.
“That’s kind of racist, to assume that more immigrants means third-world status. In fact, half of all immigration is from developed nations in Europe and Asia. Those who come here, whether from Ireland or from El Salvador, make the journey because they are willing to take great chances and risk everything for the chance to succeed. But you don’t see that. You just seee that they’re brown.”
Well, I’ve said before that racial politics is for the uneducated, and you meet that billet pretty well. There’s no way in hell, by the way, that “half” of immigration comes from Europe. I’m not even so sure about Asia. Illegal Mexico is contributing the most immigrants. I don’t know what planet you live on. Racist, stop failing to see the big picture.
“If you had any clue about what was “naturalâ€, you wouldn’t think the way you do.”
“Natural” isn’t allowing 12-20 million illegal immigrants to remain in a country in a post 9/11 era. That’s another point you fail to see.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:12 pmComment by Karl Rove’s Minion
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May 31st, 2007 at 1:14 pmComment by Zooey
Oh, trust me, I don’t want to “get it.” I would like to remain against terrorist threats to our country, much to your dismay.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:20 pmCompTROLLER #71 - “many immigrants these days are coming from a slum country into a fully-developed nation”
I’m pretty sure my Irish immigrant ancestors heard the same nonsense in the 19th century. Make that my ancestors who were uneducated Papist drunks with their hordes of dirty children.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:20 pmDoesn’t give you the right of way to advocate genocide against Europeans. - CompTROLLER V-1
Um, those brown folk from Mexico and South America are as European as the white folk in the States.
Your use of “European” is a mere euphemism for “caucasion”, which itself is a euphemism for “person with lighter skin tones originating from a non-Mediterranean subset of one of the smaller continents who think there is something special and/or superior about the amount of melanin beneath their dermis, and who believe there is something special/superior about their particular delusions regarding an ancient Middle-Eastern cult (centered around, ironically, a brown-skinned Jew).
May 31st, 2007 at 1:24 pmCompTROLLER, ignore me at your peril. I trust you are familair with the work of some of Mr. Rove’s “associates”?
Might I suggest you not park far from the mall next time you go. … oh, that’s right — your mom does all your shopping for you… well, just be careful, that’s all I can say.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:27 pm… and it might be worth pointing out that Billo’s god was a brown non-Christian murdered by the white European power structure of the time.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:27 pmComment by Dan
“I’m pretty sure my Irish immigrant ancestors heard the same nonsense in the 19th century. Make that my ancestors who were uneducated Papist drunks with their hordes of dirty children.”
I am not talking about Irish immigrants of THAT past, now am I?
Mexicans are coming into a FULLY DEVELOPED country with those same dirty habits, seeking to bring it down. The 19th century book on immigration is irrelevant. It’s the post-WWII developers work that counts, and that’s that. There wasn’t a developed country in the 19th century, now was there? Weren’t all people “dirty” during that time period? I mean, bathing wasn’t exactly common, right?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:28 pmComment by Karl Rove’s Minion
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May 31st, 2007 at 1:37 pmMexicans are coming into a FULLY DEVELOPED country with those same dirty habits, seeking to bring it down. - CompTROLLER V-1
Seeking to “bring it down”???
I’m pretty sure their intent is to make some money to feed their families. It would be counterproductive for them to have a goal to “bring down” the source of their living.
If you don’t want those dirty, stinky Mexicans in the US polluting your lilly white gene pool, the solution is to start throwing the heads of agri-business in jail for willfully violating the law by hiring undocumented workers. If those stinky, shifty-eyed wetbacks don’t have those glory jobs waiting for them, they’ll have no reason to come over the border in the first place.
But, there is no political will to do so for the reasons stated by McCain: because hacks like him are more interested in serving the demands of big business (i.e., political contributors) by looking the other way and allowing the constant inflow of dirt cheap labor.
But you go on and be a racist xenophobe, by all means.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:38 pmThe 19th century book on immigration is irrelevant.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 31, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
“Because I’m here now.”
You know, maybe CompTROLL has a point. Maybe it’s afraid of all the Mexicans moving here and doing to White Americans what the White Americans’ ancestors did to the Native Americans a century and a half ago?
If you look at it that way, it has a point.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:41 pmComment by gorn by any other name
Sure, you have a good point. Dry up the jobs and send them home. Then, you’ll have less to whine about. Absolutely, there must be enforcement against big corp. Never said I wasn’t for enforcing the laws on the book.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:42 pmOh, trust me, I don’t want to “get it.†I would like to remain against terrorist threats to our country, much to your dismay.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
The IRONY, you racist moron, the IRONY.
Jeebus….
May 31st, 2007 at 1:42 pmCompTROLLER admits that it fails at ignoring me. Wise decision, while trying to preserve face. Unka Karl doesn’t like to be ignored.
He’s still not happy with what you’re doing on this board, though. And I think you know how Unka Karl ALWAYS gets what he wants. (Except for that whole ‘06 “THE math” election results, that is…)
May 31st, 2007 at 1:43 pmBill O Reilly thinks he’s part of a power structure. That’s hilarious.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:52 pmYou know, maybe CompTROLL has a point. Maybe it’s afraid of all the Mexicans moving here and doing to White Americans what the White Americans’ ancestors did to the Native Americans a century and a half ago?
If you look at it that way, it has a point.
Comment by KRank — May 31, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
You mean Comp is afraid of a little Latino Manifest Destiny? That blowback from the Monroe Doctrine is sumbitch eh?
May 31st, 2007 at 1:53 pmComment by Zooey
Sorry, not a racist. That’s the typical liberal silencer. Feminism, however, is just as radical.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:54 pmComment by karl Rove’s Minion
The system is not a Karl Rove fan, sorry. Man plays his cards too quickly.
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May 31st, 2007 at 1:56 pmCompTROLLER #98
Sorry that I wasn’t more clear - “uneducated Papist drunks with their hordes of dirty children” was the kind of language used against Irish immigrants by the majority Protestants of English ancestry living in the U.S. in the 19th century, not my own description. It’s relevant because your arguments about “third world” immigrants changing America haven’t really changed since they were leveled at the Irish, Italians, and Eastern Europeans 100-175 years ago.
What does “fully developed” mean? The people living in the Victorian era certainly thought that they were “fully developed”. Is the United States going to be just like it is now forever? This is the other ridiculous notion that gets replayed over and over - that the country is at its best culturally and economically right now (or in some rosy recent past) and letting a bunch of people who are different is going to change things for our children for the worse.
My grandfather told stories about fighting against the Italian immigrants from the other end of town in the 1920’s (where they all lived together, shopped at their own stores, spoke Italian at home, and went to their own Catholic church), my father remembers what a scandal it was when an Italian girl married a non-Italian boy in the 1950’s, and by the time I was in school in the 1970’s nobody gave a damn who was Italian and who wasn’t. Did America change during that time - of course. Did it “destroy” America to let those millions in - hardly.
This is the same old story. The melting pot always wins.
May 31st, 2007 at 1:58 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle
“You mean Comp is afraid of a little Latino Manifest Destiny? That blowback from the Monroe Doctrine is sumbitch eh?”
We’ll see to it that the corporate abusers in this country answer for their indiscretions. The laws are on the books, and there has yet to be full-fledged enforcement. Soon enough, however, it’ll come. And straight to hell your “Latino Manifest Destiny” goes.
For LA RAZA, nothing.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:00 pmCompTROLLER has a weird way of ignoring.
just sayin’…
Karl is watching you, and he doesn’t like people to say bad things about him. He has a way of dealing with problems like that.
In fact, he considers problems like that to be even greater than paid operatives — er, people — typing stupid things on blogs in the name of right-wingery that do nothing except make us look bad.
You’ve been warned.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:06 pmHave you seen “Gangs of New York?” There’s a direct line between Bill the Butcher and Comptroller, but somehow, I suspect that Comptroller isn’t as good looking as Daniel Day Lewis.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:06 pmComment by Dan
Sorry, 19th century history just isn’t relevant. Never said that it was your own description. America is a fully developed country - one with innovation, technology, a need for lower taxes, upscale homes, etc, mostly brought about from our post-WWII era. We have new challenges - a post-era of terrorism and drug-production from Mexico. It’s about protecting ourselves and our families from drugs, drunk drivers, and murderous thugs and rapists. If you’re not fully legal with allegiance, then don’t live here. There’s no entitlement. I know what I see in my own town. Amnesty, they don’t deserve. The nation can’t afford it.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:09 pmI know Oprah and the ladies at the view are so proud of their main racist O’ reilly.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:10 pm“Sure, you have a good point. Dry up the jobs and send them home. Then, you’ll have less to whine about. “ - CompTROLLER V-1
Nice try, but it is distinctly YOU who are whining on this thread. “Oh boo hoo those smelly brownies are eating away at my power structure.” A little intellectual honesty is good for the soul. You might give it a try for a change.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:12 pm“Have you seen “Gangs of New York?†There’s a direct line between Bill the Butcher and Comptroller, but somehow, I suspect that Comptroller isn’t as good looking as Daniel Day Lewis.”
Here, allow me to translate :
“Blah blah blah “blah of blah blah?” Blah a blah blah between blah the blah and blah blah, but blah blah, blah that blah blah isn’t blah blah as blah blah blah.”
Shouldn’t you focus on dismantling La Raza, or something. They will seek to hire you as grand wizard, by the way.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:14 pmSorry, not a racist. That’s the typical liberal silencer. Feminism, however, is just as radical.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
I’m glad you see feminism as radical.
Thanks for the correction. You’re a racist sexist moron.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:14 pmSorry, 19th century history just isn’t relevant.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 31, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
What was that famous quote about those who don’t remember history…?
Well, whatever, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t “…will be best able to analyse the future.”
May 31st, 2007 at 2:15 pm“It’s about protecting ourselves and our families from drugs, drunk drivers, and murderous thugs and rapists.” - CompTROLLER V-1
You mean we’re going to start deporting Republicans?
May 31st, 2007 at 2:16 pmComment by Zooey
Why, I’m only pointing out the fact that you obsess with yourself, something you supremely denounce when somebody like, say Mr. O’Reilly does it. Supremacy goes both ways. You only like to see it one way though, convenient for you.
Now, go write a book that nobody will buy.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:20 pmCompfoolery: you need to work on your reading skills. I was comparing you to Bill the Butcher. The Grand Wizard is in your camp, not mine. Bill the Butcher is representative of the “Knownothings” of the mid 19th century. I can tell you’re not that sharp on history, but we have always had our “Bill the Butchers.” You’re just the modern version.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:21 pmComment by gorn by any other name
That’s your extremely narrow view, doesn’t mean it counts. How many Republicans drinking and driving (probably a very small number, you’re just extrapolating a few past cases) actually KILL people in the process? You don’t see many Republicans (by the way, how would you know?) killing people and raping, as well. Narrow views like yours in a widespread mode (thank god it isn’t) would further contribute to putting our society in danger.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:24 pmwell, at least they’re being straight-forward and honest about their racism and prejudice. kinda puts the immigration, affirmative action, women’s rights, war of terror, and attacks against Islam in perspective, hey?
“if you’re not a conservative white christian male then you should bugger off” seems to be the message - loud and clear.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:26 pmComment by Bluedog49
Attention to Bluedog49: I’ve read your stuff. My choosing not to care about it in this setting most certainly doesn’t make me stupid.
Sorry, but the KKK doesn’t exist anymore. La Raza is now our growing problem. Glad you’re in denial.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:27 pmSorry, but the KKK doesn’t exist anymore. La Raza is now our growing problem. Glad you’re in denial.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Someone should tell them to take down their website, then.
Idiot.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:31 pmComment by Gumb*itch
I’ll send a direct memo to La Raza by 3PM, then. You’re so nice to let me know.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:35 pm“That’s your extremely narrow view” - CompTROLLER V-1
I was engaging in a little ironic humor. Not that you would get that.
“How many Republicans drinking and driving actually KILL people in the process?”
I’m going to guess, roughly statatically equal to any other group. Again, irony being lost on you.
You don’t see many Republicans (by the way, how would you know?)
Eh? Well I live in San Diego, one of the most Republican (and immigrant rich) parts of the US. I deal with Republicans daily. Pretty much everyone I work with is a right wing Christ lovin’ hypocrite eating cheap fruits and paying brown people to cut their grass. I know, irony lost on you.
“You don’t see many Republicans killing people and raping”
Ever heard of Iraq? Yeah, I know, irony lost on you.
“Narrow views like yours in a widespread mode (thank god it isn’t) would further contribute to putting our society in danger.”
Yeah, all that peace, freedom, and tolerance can do so much damage. That’s what crosses and nails are meant to fix, ya know?
Irony. Look it up.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:41 pmSorry, but the KKK doesn’t exist anymore. La Raza is now our growing problem. Glad you’re in denial. Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 31, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
BAHAHAA, sure it does, it’s just now called the GOP - grand dragon V-1!!! What does the V stand for “Victim”, or “V*gin*” in your case?
May 31st, 2007 at 2:49 pmComment by gorn by any other name
Sorry, but liberals aren’t known for being tough-on-crime. They just like to go after stupid “offenses,” like you know, giving a Republican a longer prison term for “lying under oath” than giving child molester more than 1 year, you know, because of the need for “alternative sentencing” in that case.
By that way, your other responses to “Republican crime” are completely bogus. But LA is a dillusional high-tax socialist hell, anyways. Who in their right mind thinks that illegal aliens aren’t the ones killing people while drunk, ETCETERA. You should have told me sooner that you’d lived in LA. Then, I could have went ahead and declared myself the winner of this debate since anyone outside of LA would already know the outcome.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:51 pmCalifornia is going bankrupt, and it’s slowly losing its tax base. So much for those crazy initiatives, huh?
May 31st, 2007 at 2:52 pm“California is going bankrupt, and it’s slowly losing its tax base. So much for those crazy initiatives, huh?”
Your robo-programming is showing its limitations if all it can do is spew strawmen.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:54 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Not that you should be one to talk.
Liberals are most obsessed with wanting to lose their virginity at as early an age as possible, thinks it makes them more worthy members of society. That childish agenda, so productive….
If there’s AIDS, blame it on Republicans, not the Liberal views of sex.
May 31st, 2007 at 2:56 pmComment by gorn by any other name
Sorry, the California government is indeed spending more than it’s taking in. Even Arnold can figure that one out.
Fixed your pollution problem by the way, liberal state?
May 31st, 2007 at 2:57 pmNew liberal excessive word of use: Strawman
Soon, you might want to consider adding a 27th word to your vocabulary.
May 31st, 2007 at 3:00 pmSorry, the California government is indeed spending more than it’s taking in. Even Arnold can figure that one out.
Again, you show the weakness of your robo-troll programming by going straight to strawmen. I’m pretty sure we were discussing your shared racist views regarding America. Nice try, though.
Fixed your pollution problem by the way, liberal state?
Ooops, another bug in the program. Apart from producing another unconnected strawman, it failed to identify the fact that I live in one of the most conservative parts of the country, home of such gems as Randall “The Duke-stir” Cunningham, and Duncan “I’m stupid enough to think I can be President” Hunter.
Jeez, maybe you should move up from BASIC to some higher form of programming.
May 31st, 2007 at 3:05 pmNew liberal excessive word of use: Strawman
Soon, you might want to consider adding a 27th word to your vocabulary.
Oh no! Another programming error! You’ve produced another strawman by referring to the word strawman! Be careful - this recursive infinite loop can fry your delicate wiring, robo-troll.
I’d suggest a re-boot followed by an attempt to respond to all the beyotch-slapping points I hit you with earlier.
While you give your circuitry a three-fingered salute, I’ll give you my one-finger salute.
May 31st, 2007 at 3:09 pmExcessive bug in your system: the use of the word ‘Strawman’
California is become an increasingly unlivable state. The taxes are very high, and the productivity is decreasing because of it. Principles of Economics: take the course. I know the stats, you dont.
You have to contribute, as well, in order to solve nagging problems. Advocating for policy isn’t enough. You can keep overusing that ’strawman’ word, doesn’t render my argument ineffective. You don’t have the right to impose a reduced quality of life for other people because of your desire for a socialist state.
The viruses have been removed from CompTROLLER V-1’s system. Radical leftist views are gone.
California, verifiably, is going to hell. Mexifornia, a bad economy, here we come.
Do you really think that quoting TWO people is really what makes up the problems with California. Do you really believe that some “under-the-table” monetary dealings where Duke soaks naked in a tub and owns a luxury home makes California the crappy state it is? And you’re quoting someone in your state who wants to be President? Isn’t there someone from every state who wants to be President? Is that the factor that makes their state corrupt or liveable? Again, you have extremely narrow views. Radical.
May 31st, 2007 at 3:17 pmComment gorn by any other name
I won’t continue to converse with bums, so I am exiting this post.
LA life is no life.
May 31st, 2007 at 3:19 pmWhy, I’m only pointing out the fact that you obsess with yourself, something you supremely denounce when somebody like, say Mr. O’Reilly does it. Supremacy goes both ways. You only like to see it one way though, convenient for you.
Now, go write a book that nobody will buy.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Your mind doesn’t track very well does it? You’re gonna get whiplash.
So am I “obsessing” because I’m a feminist? It’s a bad thing to respect myself and other women, and to expect equal treatment with men?
Go look up the word obsession, dinky brain. While you’re there, look up the word feminism.
You post more drivel on this site than any other troll, except maybe the michael troll.
May 31st, 2007 at 3:35 pmI don’t get what is so wrong with his comment. Everything great about this country was invented by white males. Name one thing that wasn’t. Your even typing on a computer invented by white males. But you think we are trash, so fine. Ask a black woman to fix your computer.
May 31st, 2007 at 3:56 pm#67 compTROLLER, Mexico’s economy is crappy in part because it’s designed to keep the White Power Structure there in place at the expense of the masses, not unlike what your conservative butt raiding sugar daddies are attempting in America. Another reason Mexico’s economy is in shatters is because good ol Uncle Sam has seen to it that Mexico NEVER develops into a competitive regional power. Learn some history. Read the books man, do away with simply listening to your gut.
Adios compTROLLER. Come back and see us soon amigo!
May 31st, 2007 at 4:20 pmJake get your head out of your ass. A few things white males did not invent, the cotton gin, the elevator, the light bulb (Thomas Alba Edison- Mexican American), color tv, the nuclear bomb, theory of realitvity.
No one is saying white men are trash. But the white male power structure is incompatible with the needs of the world and America. It seeks to exclude all but the WASP, so it attempts to rob all other groups of a voice, an opinion, and so utlimately, of rights.
May 31st, 2007 at 4:29 pmI won’t continue to converse with bums, so I am exiting this post.
Bwahahahaha….. another robo troll goes down to defeat.
LA life is no life.
Another programming error. I don’t live in LA.
I’m afraid a reboot isn’t enough to clear out your clogged circuits. I’d lobby for a recall.
May 31st, 2007 at 4:41 pmEven Jake can’t be as stupid as #142. I have to assume that was a namejack.
May 31st, 2007 at 4:43 pmWhy isn’t everybody treating these people (O’Reilly, McCain, et al) like the bigoted *ssholes they are??!
Or do more people out there care about Linsey Lohan’s latest trip to rehab than they do about the BS coming out of some of these peoples’ mouths….???!
May 31st, 2007 at 4:46 pmComment by Gumb*itch
I’ll send a direct memo to La Raza by 3PM, then. You’re so nice to let me know.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Sorry I wasn’t around earlier to pull your head out for you, fool. The website I mentioned is run by the KKK, which according to you, no longer exist.
You may now put your head back in your butt.
May 31st, 2007 at 5:11 pmYou liberal loons are funny. Imagine if the argument were changed around. Let’s say…Keith Olbermann was talking with Barack Obama about how white Republicans in America were tearing down the Hispanic culture and power structure. you freaks would be fighting to be the first to agree with them.
Granting anmesty and legal status to 12 million (6 million of them uneducated) illegals with no interest in assimilation is a bad thing for America. It doesn’t take a bigot to realize this…just someone with a little common sense.
May 31st, 2007 at 8:07 pmSurely, the WMCPS (white male christian power structure) will be their own undoing. They have not learned that their true rulers dropped the idea of Nationalism, religion, or plain giving a F’k in general, a long long time ago. The truly powerful do not care what color or race you are, do not care what god you pray to, and don’t watch Fox News. They are secure in the fact that, while we argue about Right vs. Left, they rake in the cash created by mass hysteria, fear hatred, and other fun passtimes. It’s nothing more than going where the getting is good, and that good has been gotten since the dawn of humankind. And just for sh*ts and giggles, does anyone think that the Mexican folks who support our immigrant structure are any less to blame than a corporation that buys workers from them? I surely do not, because it’s not about anything but the money. Not telling you anything you don’t know, just underlining. Good conversation here, folks.
May 31st, 2007 at 8:10 pmQUOTE Tony Pistone:
You liberal loons are funny. Imagine if the argument were changed around. Let’s say…Keith Olbermann was talking with Barack Obama about how white Republicans in America were tearing down the Hispanic culture and power structure. you freaks would be fighting to be the first to agree with them. Granting anmesty and legal status to 12 million (6 million of them uneducated) illegals with no interest in assimilation is a bad thing for America. It doesn’t take a bigot to realize this…just someone with a little common sense.
Tony, you bring up an interesting point, but it’s moot. Mainly that there is no Hispanic Power Structure in the US. Sure, every race, creed and demographic lobbys for their own interest, that’s why it’s called ‘Democracy’, right? But, lets be serious, comparing the white christian power base to the hispanic one is like david and goliath.
And on your second point, yes, anyone who takes up recources in one area but does not put any money back in is surely not helping the situation. But I must ask you, how do you know who does and doesn’t ‘have plans to assimilate’? Do you have a running list written down or are you just followning what foxnews tells you? Fact is, anyone who lives ANYWHERE automatically HAS TO contribute. They buy food, they buy fuel, they buy goods. Plain and simple. Do I think non-citizens should recieve free healthcare? No, I do not. I am a born citizen and I am not entitled to healthcare. So there, I agree w/ you. But please, stop feeding into the fear that everyone that is not white is gunning for your job, your wife, your daughter, and your land. Cus lets be honest, just plain EVERYONE is out to get those things from you, not just mexicans. I’ll take your job in a minute, and I’m white, so, yeah, sux, but that’s been the reality since the beginning of time.
May 31st, 2007 at 8:19 pmO’Reilly is right. Look at what happened after we let all those Irish into this country. We got stuck with idiots like him.
May 31st, 2007 at 8:29 pm“Granting anmesty and legal status to 12 million (6 million of them uneducated) illegals with no interest in assimilation is a bad thing for America. It doesn’t take a bigot to realize this…just someone with a little common sense.”
That’s not the subject of this thread. This thread is not debating the wisdom of an amnesty program (which, I’m sorry, is exactly what Bush has proposed from the beginning - is he a ‘liberal loon’ too?)
Rather the subject of this thread is the disgusting racial and religious bigotry displayed by O’Reilly, his anti-American assertion that “white Christians” have some sort of god-given right to be the power elite, and McCain’s completely flaccid response.
I don’t care what your position is on the illegal immigration problem, you should be disgusted by this kind of vomit being given credibility on television.
May 31st, 2007 at 8:38 pmFar from racist or sexist, however, anyone trying to preserve the same Power Structure that wrote the laws that have kept us the hegemonic state for decades….is OK with me!
May 31st, 2007 at 8:40 pmThanks for the poor context on this. I agree O’Reilly is being a racist, but McCain is hardly trying to agree with EVERYTHING O’Reilly has said.
May 31st, 2007 at 8:56 pm“Thanks for the poor context on this. I agree O’Reilly is being a racist, but McCain is hardly trying to agree with EVERYTHING O’Reilly has said.”
Is this a response to me? I didn’t say that McCain agreed with EVERYTHING. What I said is that is response was “completely flaccid”. He should have nailed O’Reilly on the spot. His failure to do so speaks volumes.
May 31st, 2007 at 9:16 pm