Yep, Limbaugh is a lying loser who promotes a lying president loser.

Joe Wilson exposed Bush-Cheney’s IRAQ WAR LIES, so Cheney and the VP’s Office attacked the man’s wife.

What’s wrong with that? Dick Cheney is a pussy: He can’t handle criticism. He lies without shame or impunity… He can’t handle responsibility — personal, professional, or otherwise.

And if he’s gonna lie to the Country, you better not tell anybody! He’ll attack your wife, smear your family, torture your kids, kill your dog, and poison the whole freakin’ city… just to show you! Dam*it!

The McClatchy news group is proving to be the only news organization that thinks that reporting the news, the real news, is a good idea. Most investigative reporting done today is done by them.
Comment by Kate Henry — June 2, 2007 @ 11:04 am

Which illustrates you have no familiarity with either the investigative reporting available or McClatchy’s comparative contribution to it.

You can find the same type of statement on right-wing blogs where they complain that all MSM news is lies.

Let’s all stop to wonder again why people who get their news from blogs are less informed than Rush Limbaugh listeners.

The problem is that the trolls are getting “she recommended him” and “she sent him” confused. They are two entirely different things.

On what are you basing this statement ?
Joe Wilson got sent to Niger because his wife recommended him. This is undisputed apart from both Wilson and Plame’s contradictions of themselves on this point.

I would suggest the problem is entirely yours if you are hanging out to find out if the CIA lackey who books the airline tickets is named “Fred” or “Ted”.
Otherwise it would appear to be a pointless distinction to make which you don’t find anyone making.

I mean it could fly if we weren’t posting on a blog that has a link titled “Abramoff” on its front page. Kind of managed to join the dots there without the need for him to personally put a congressman on a plane to Scotland didn’t we ?

Or in the case of 400 different lackies being recommended for jobs throughout government agencies, the CPA, the White House, etc. You’ve shown a lot of ability to join these dots up until right this very moment for some mysterious reason.

When she heard what the CIA was looking for, she told them that she thought her husband would be a good candidate because he had loads of experience in the area of expertise they needed.

When she heard what the CIA was looking for ? It was the CPD that initiated this investigation, selected Wilson and sent him to Niger. They did this after one of their staff recommended Wilson to another one of their staff. Her name was Plame.

So, dumb trolls, show us any credible proof that says that Valerie Plame “sent” her husband on the mission.

Why ? Would the lack of such proof that she personally sent him rather than influenced his being sent count for something ?

Because, you know, we’re still waiting on proof that Bush ever said Iraq was behind 9/11 too. I guess we can file that one under debunked also.

I was not aware she had that kind of power in her position.

Considering you are unaware of all aspects of her power in her position in the CPD this is hardly worth mentioning.

The fact is she recommended him because he was eminently qualified for the mission.

Any proof of that while we’re at it ?
Sure you’ve been pointed to a copy of the memo here in which she does this, but that memo is referred to in a NewsMax article, meaning it is baseless. Much like there’s no Iraq war because they did an article on that too.

And you’ve been told that this was a minortiy opinion you can ignore, despite the fact that it was also the majority conclusion included prominantly in the full report.

And you’ve got TP telling you that she never sent that memo that was submitted as evidence to the SSCI.

So all that leaves you with is Plame’s testimony that she never made any such recommendation. Which you’ve apparently ignored in favour of all the information that has been ridiculed here as heresay.

Yes, tell us again about the trolls being confused.

These trolls are getting dumber and dumber. I can’t imagine they aren’t embarrassed by what they post.
Comment by Kate Henry — June 2, 2007 @ 11:17 am

Yeah speaking of being embarassed by what you post, I wonder if it is you or TP in this case….

Hume Launches New Smear: Plame Lied Under Oath

Hume said Plame’s testimony “flies in the face of the evidence” adduced by the “bipartisan” Senate Intelligence Committee, which said that “she very much did have something to do with it, that she recommended him and that she put it in a memo.” Watch it:

Plame testified that she never suggested her husband for the Niger trip. “I did not recommend him, I did not suggest him, there was no nepotism involved — I didn’t have the authority,” she said.

Confused ? Embarrassed ?

The problem is that the trolls are getting “she recommended him” and “she sent him” confused. They are two entirely different things. Joe Wilson was probably the most qualified person on the planet to do this mission, and he happened to be married to Valerie Plame. When she heard what the CIA was looking for, she told them that she thought her husband would be a good candidate because he had loads of experience in the area of expertise they needed.

So, dumb trolls, show us any credible proof that says that Valerie Plame “sent” her husband on the mission. I was not aware she had that kind of power in her position. The fact is she recommended him because he was eminently qualified for the mission.

These trolls are getting dumber and dumber. I can’t imagine they aren’t embarrassed by what they post.

Wow, that “news report” was dated on Friday. So, they expect us to believe that the Democratic controlled Senate rebuked Joe Wilson and no paper was aware it happened except for News Max.

All the MSM is worthless except for one. The McClatchy news group is proving to be the only news organization that thinks that reporting the news, the real news, is a good idea. Most investigative reporting done today is done by them. So, I say to the McClatchy News Group…good on you!

He did say, and so has she, that she recommended him.

Er… are you sure ? Because she has also testified under oath that she didn’t recommend him.

That would be because he was one of, if not, the most qualified person for that job if you look at his reume. Then the CIA asked him if he would do it. She didn’t send him.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 1, 2007 @ 2:48 pm

Yeah, just like Bush has never got any political buddy a job in the Bush administration, he just highly recommends them to those doing the hiring.
Such a useful and meaningful distinction to make.

Valerie did not sent her husband to Niger. Where is the proof?
Comment by Mary Poplins — June 1, 2007 @ 2:13 pm

REPORT ON THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY’S PREWAR INTELLIGENCE
Note the 2004 date if this is news to you.

Sorry ? How is a private communication between the CIA as employer and one of its employees a “public disclosure” ?

Surely this letter is irrelevant if that’s the case since her paychecks, employment contract and every piece of paper concerning her employment during the duration were just as public.

In February 2006, the CIA sent an letter to Wilson that was subsequently entered into the public domain when it was published in the Congressional Record.

Sure. It was SO in the public domain that until now nobody had bothered to cite it when trying to resolve matters relating to Plame’s history of employment with the CIA and claims that she was not covert.

The letter, though supposedly classified, remains available online from government websites today.

Does it ? Your link goes nowhere for me.

Plame’s suit argues that the CIA cannot unfairly target her as the only person who is not allowed to publish this information:

Any explanation as to why it makes this arguement when it clearly isn’t true ?

Bob Baer confirms he isn’t allowed to disclose this in his books which are also accompanied by CIA censored passages which relate to his start date.

Same for Gary Berntsen when writing in Jawbreaker and his assignments prior to the invasion of Afghanistan. Shit that happened 20 years ago in conflicts that are today ended.

Are these 2 former CIA employees who’ve published books about their work non-persons ? Aliens ? Is that the arguement ? Because otherwise it would appear to be groundless.

As author David Wise explains, “there are, apparently, good secrets and bad secrets, and it may depend in part on who’s telling them.”

Except that we know it doesn’t depend on who’s telling them as this is standard practice for the CIA to censor the publishing of a CIA employee’s start date.

While the Wilsons are being censored, Wise notes that vocal advocates of Bush’s policies, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates and former CIA Director George Tenet, “have discovered that selling their secrets to the public between hard covers can reap big bucks.” For them, he adds, “It’s a slam dunk.”

Hey here’s an idea, let’s quote someone who’s arguement about Plame rests on making no distinction between CIA agents who are undercover/covert and those who work at Langley and have their name on the letterhead.

That won’t look fkn retarded a couple of days after running a story about how CIA agents being covert means something significant when it comes to details of their work for the CIA being disclosed.
Yeah, run with that. Sheesh.

This is like Brownie’s biographer complaining that all the people qualified to run a government agency get their books about how to do that published but he can’t for some mysterious reason. Yeah, keep wondering about that champ.

Literally the only reason that Valerie Plame could sell a book, the only reason anyone knows her name, is completely lost on her biographer. Wow. Just wow.

And here we have TP, who has published 700 stories about this same issue, repeating this without any apparent recognition of the irony.

I hope Scooter wears a bike helmet, cuz he went under the bus! Heh.

do take a look — it is a labor of love.

Comment by Markk

So, Markk, can you spot the logical error in your first paragraph?

Sadly though the right has shifted so far into their alternate reality that they are no longer able to recognize reality when it smacks them in the face. They absolutely refuse to acknowledge that Wilson was correct in his findings even though the white house has said so, well…everyone except dirty dick. They refuse to accept the reality of Plame’s status even when their boy “I’ll listen to who I want to listen to when I want to listen to them Hayden” says that she was covert. They refuse to note that when something looks like a duck walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably a duck, they refuse to see that because their spin machine had referred to that duck as being an ostrich for years so it is an ostrich and it will always be an ostrich and no liberal plot to claim it is a duck will ever change their minds. Talk about Kool aid drinking moon bats.

The far right kooks who have hijacked the republican party and American policy for so long see no problem and have no issues with exposing a CIA operative who specializes in tracking the proliferation of WMD, thus ending all of her contacts, and rendering any on-going work null and void , at a time when WMD and the proliferation of them is at the forefront of our national consciousness. What fools they are.

Democrats should not push for jail time for Scooter Libby. It will make them look vindictive.

Also, Democrats should not pursue vigorous oversight hearings on the Bush Administration. It will make them look petty and partisan.

I’m concerned for the Democrats.