Bush Nominates Homophobic Surgeon General Who Wants To Cure Gays
Bush Nominates Homophobic Surgeon General Who Wants To Cure Gays
Last week, President Bush nominated James W. Holsinger to become the next Surgeon General of the United States:
As America’s chief health educator, he will be charged with providing the best scientific information available on how Americans can make smart choices that improve their health and reduce their risk of illness and injury. … I am confident that Dr. Holsinger will help our Nation confront this challenge and many others to ensure that Americans live longer, better, and healthier lives.
But as BarbinMD points out, Holsinger’s nomination to be “America’s doctor” is troubling. He has a long history of prejudice toward gays and lesbians. Some examples:
– Holsinger founded Hope Springs Community Church, which “ministers to people who no longer wish to be gay or lesbian.” Holsinger said that he sees homosexuality as “an issue not of orientation but of lifestyle.” [Lexington Herald-Leader, 6/1/07]
– In serving on the United Methodist Judicial Council — the “court” that resolves “disputes involving church doctrine and policies in the nation’s second-largest Protestant denomination” — Holsinger “opposed a decision to allow a practicing lesbian to be an associate pastor, and he supported a pastor who would not permit an openly gay man to join the church.” [Lexington Herald-Leader, 6/1/07]
– In the early 1990s, Holsinger resigned from the United Methodist Church’s Committee to Study Homosexuality “because he believed the committee ‘would follow liberal lines.’” He also warned “that acceptance of homosexuality would drive away millions of churchgoers.” [Arkansas Democrat Gazette, 5/26/07; Time, 6/24/91]
Despite this history, Holsinger-supporter Kentucky Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R) inexplicably insists, “Anyone who knows Jim Holsinger knows that he’s not an individual given to prejudice.” A date for Holsinger’s Senate hearings has not been set.
UPDATE: Bible Belt Blogger has more on Holsinger.
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Hopefully the Congress will find it’s spine and not confirm him. I’m not holding my breath though.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:38 pmI wonder if he’ll even last until the confirmation hearings.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:39 pmAre you saying there’s been ZERO cases of homosexuals being cured?
June 1st, 2007 at 3:40 pmAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!
June 1st, 2007 at 3:41 pmIs there nothing we can do to keep this messianic madman from giving this nation death by inches?
…or should we just consider ourselves refugees and save some time?
June 1st, 2007 at 3:41 pmit’s a doctor, no it’s a preacher, no it’s a retarded moron from the nether regions of george’s ass…..
a homophobic man that understands neither reason or science. perfect choice for the emperor
WHEN WILL YOU JERKS IN CONGRESS PUT AN END TO THIS NIGHTMARE?
June 1st, 2007 at 3:43 pmQUICK CALL DARYLL!!!!
He can rejoice!!
June 1st, 2007 at 3:44 pmJake sez:
As homosexuality is not a disease…yes. That’s exactly what we’re saying.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:45 pmSounds more like a candidate for surgeon buck private, no way the congress can approve this dufus.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:47 pmJohn and Anne Paulk, for instance.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:47 pmPatrick 1 ran a close second, but wasn’t homophobic enough.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:48 pmI personally know a gay person who turned back to a heterosexual marriage. What’s so wrong about that? It’s because the gay community goes ape when you attack their base premise: It’s genetic. They shut down anyone who talks about giving up the lifestyle as if you can never turn back. This is one of the most hypocritical components of the gay community. Everyone should be free to follow their desires except for those that were gay. There is no going back - period. Diversity doesn’t include former gay people. They are just “fighting” their true self. What hogwash.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:51 pm“Surgeon General Who Wants To Cure Gays”
–Start with the right wing, surely there’s a lifetime of work waiting.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:52 pmThere’s a 2002 peer-reviewed study by Dr. Ariel Shidlo and Dr. Michael Schroeder which found that a small percentage of participants successfully changed their homosexual orientation to heterosexual (I watch Dateline, so I agree it is difficult for some to achieve such a sustained change in their sexual behaviour). I will try to find a link to the study for anyone NOT on the “Ignore List”.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:54 pmIf only there were a cure for STUPIDITY. I’d inject George Bush personally.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:54 pmJake sez:
John Paulk? You mean this John Paulk?
Honestly, Shakey…you really do make it too easy…
June 1st, 2007 at 3:54 pmThanks for your input, Eric.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:54 pmHey Jake,
I thought John Paulk (in fact pretty sure) was caught trolling in gay bars after his “cure”. Wayne Besen’s blog would probably have the facts.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:55 pmJames Holsinger is a good man and a good doctor, with 30 years of service in the US army reserve.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:55 pmAre you saying there’s been ZERO cases of homosexuals being cured?
Ted Haggard was cured.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:56 pmHe could spend the next year and a half converting all the closet cases in the White House…starting in the Oval Office.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:57 pmTed Faggard was cured? LOL!!
You Repukes will believe anything you’re told, you morons.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:57 pmAre you saying there’s been ZERO cases of homosexuals being cured?
Comment by Jake
YES
June 1st, 2007 at 3:57 pmeric
what is wrong with it is the person you speak of is still gay they are just living a dishonest life and repressing their normal sexual responses in favor of marriage, that doesn’t mean he is no longer gay, it just means pressure in society from morons who think you can “cure” homosexuality like you would a disease do all they can to make their lives miserable.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:58 pmHomosexuals are BORN that way. You can’t be influenced or tricked or catch it.
All mammals have a percentage of their population that is homosexual, not just humans.
GOD PLANNED IT THAT WAY
This nomination is dead before it starts.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:58 pmNo way the senate will approve this whacko.
I personally know a gay person who turned back to a heterosexual marriage. What’s so wrong about that? It’s because the gay community goes ape when you attack their base premise: It’s genetic.
If it is, that solves a lot of problems. We could screen babies for it, then abort them.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:58 pm#12
Amen to that.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:58 pmAt least he did not have to have a sex change.
He had that right tool to begin with.
Then he wasn’t gay. He was a bi-sexual who leaned toward the ding ding. Now he is leaning towards the hoo hoo. But, he is still bi-sexual and hasn’t been turned or cured of anything.
Gays are gays and will always be gay. You can’t “cure” being gay.
Just like you can’t cure your stupidity. It is bred into you, just like gays being gay.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:59 pmYou can’t “cure” being gay.
Those guys who got cured were bisexual and they just stopped having gay sex. But they’re still bisexual.
Sex drive is innate. You don’t choose it. It chooses you.
June 1st, 2007 at 3:59 pm“Ted Haggard was cured.”
-yes, after multiple beef injections
June 1st, 2007 at 4:00 pmThanks for the link, TripMaster. “John told the board that he had ‘no sinful intentions’ in entering that bar. . . . but admitted he knew it was a gay bar.” Funny! I used to live in Dupont Circle. My gay friends in DC told me very clearly that one goes into the gay bars in Dupont for only one reason - and it wasn’t for the buffalo wings.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:00 pmHere is Gay day a TP! June 1st mark your calendars.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmDisney is this month too.
Eric,
As usual you are putting words in our mouths. No one has suggested that someone should not be allowed to convert from gay to straight. In my opinion, which I’m sure most people here would share, is that people should be perfectly free to switch from gay to straight and back again as often as they wish. It’s a personal decision!!
What this guy and Jake and similarly-minded people are suggesting is that there is something wrong with being gay and that one needs to be ‘cured’ of this. They are NOT about helping people find the identity they’re most comfortable with. They are against people being gay period because they feel that God has said this is not ok.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmFunny how Repukes are vehemently against abortion…to the point of banning research on stem cell embryos the size of the period at the end of this sentence.
But when the possibility of gay genes is discussed, then all of a sudden the Repukes think abortion is a good idea…if you’re aborting gays.
There was another guy who believed in that kind of crap.
His name was Hitler.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmm12
too bad we can’t screen them for stupidity, you’d never have made the cut
June 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmAnd let’s not forget the report that just came out that showed that homosexuality is found in 1500 different animals in the world. It isn’t as “unnatural” as our unnatural trolls would have you think.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmThis doofus shouldn’t even qualify for Surgeon Lieutenant .
June 1st, 2007 at 4:01 pmIF HOMOSEXUALITY IS A DISEASE, CAN i CALL IN “GAY” TO WORK?
“Yeah, sorry, I’d love to come in today sir, but I simply MUST do something about these drapes…What’s that sir? Oh, yes, I have a touch of the Gay today. Thank you,sir. I’ll see you tomorrow, if my closets(what a mess!) don’t cause my Gay to flame up again…”
June 1st, 2007 at 4:02 pmm12, it’s great to see your respect for the Culture of Life
June 1st, 2007 at 4:02 pmJohn and Anne Paulk, for instance.
Comment by Jake
Jake, what is your obsession with homosexuals lately. Are you in their bedroom? Let me know when you’ve seen the two of them engaging in intercourse.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:02 pmI wonder when Ted Haggert realized he was gay? Or was he somehow “infected” by this “disease?” Maybe he got it from someone’s tears — like “Doctor” Frist says AIDS can be transmitted.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:02 pmGreat. I thought Doctors took the following oath:
“I SWEAR by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses, that, according to my ability and judgment, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation to reckon him who taught me this Art equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath according to the law of medicine, but to none others.
I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art. I will not cut persons laboring under the stone, but will leave this to be done by men who are practitioners of this work. Into whatever houses I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of the sick, and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption; and, further from the seduction of females or males, of freemen and slaves. Whatever, in connection with my professional practice or not, in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret. While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times! But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot!”
June 1st, 2007 at 4:03 pmYou Repukes will believe anything you’re told, you morons.
And you refuse to believe a man’s own judgement on his own desires. I think he knows better than you do.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:03 pmI agree gov’nor, this cat doesn’t seem to be given to prejudice, he seems to be able to deliver it in healthy doses completely unassisted.
Next headline: “(new) Surgeon General warns that organic foods will make you prone to ‘gayness’ and that smoking will lead you to god sooner than if you don’t smoke.”
And the beat goes on…
June 1st, 2007 at 4:03 pmThey need to read the report from post 36 that shows 1500 animal types have homosexual sex. What does God have to say about making his animals gay too.
What say you God? Why did you make gay animals, but want humans to be straight?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:04 pm“Are you saying there’s been ZERO cases of homosexuals being cured?
Comment by Jake”
Wow. The ignorance in this question is stifling.
1) “Cures” are for diseases; homosexuality is not a disease.
2) I can only assume that what you actually mean by this question is: ‘Are you saying there have been ZERO instances of homosexuals becoming heterosexual?’ And that answer would be “Yes”.
You can crawl back under your rock now.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:04 pmThere’s a name for people who switch from gay to straight or vice versa.
They’re called bisexuals.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:04 pmHere’s a clearer analogy:
George Bush is an idiot. He proves it every time he opens his mouth.
If Bush were to stop talking, he won’t be “cured” of his idiocy. He’ll still be an idiot.
Any questions?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:05 pmWhere is Wilco (sexual terrorist) the AIDS spreader? alias Deadly Dick
He should be charge with murder (sexual terrorist).
Call the CDC!!!
June 1st, 2007 at 4:05 pmJustice:
Showing your ignorance. There are bisexual people and many heterosexuals that tried it and didn’t like it. So anyone who experimented was really born that way and are denying their true self?
Your fallacious argument just made my point. Thank you.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:05 pmm12, it’s great to see your respect for the Culture of Life
This is the result of the pro-abortion movement. Get used to it.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:05 pmm12, you’re putting words in my mouth, you fascist jerk.
I never said people couldn’t change their sex partners.
I just said they’re bisexual when they do.
You cannot cure gayness. It is innate.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:06 pmTed Haggard like Mark Foley is bi-sexual. Only Foley like them real young.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:06 pmDiversity doesn’t include former gay people. They are just “fighting†their true self. What hogwash.
Comment by Eric
Homoswexuals should feel free to adopt any lifestyle they choose. Gay or straight. As long as nobody else is hurt.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:06 pmFunny how Repukes are vehemently against abortion…to the point of banning research on stem cell embryos the size of the period at the end of this sentence.
That’s a complete lie. Nobody banned stem cell research.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:07 pmDisney is this month too. — Comment by Flaco
genius.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:07 pmEric is making a fellatio argument
June 1st, 2007 at 4:07 pmBush bats a 1000 when it comes to sending the absolutely the wrong man to do the job irrespective of the job.
It’s like living in a bizzaro world. I’ll never get it.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:07 pmbi-sexuals like it, that is why they are called bisexual. If a heterosexual tries it and does like it, that makes them bi-curious, not gay.
Gay is gay dumb a$$.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:08 pmAre you saying there’s been ZERO cases of homosexuals being cured?
Ted Haggard was cured.
Comment by m12
Only a Republican would believe in homosexual rehab.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:08 pmFlaco, what are you talking about?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:09 pmAre you really this massive a tool?
Did your parents beat you as a child? Is that what happened to you?
Vinnie:
You take your statement you said in your first paragraph and run it by the gay community and see the reaction. In this rare instance, we actually agree. You will see that most people don’t agree with you and me but deny that ANYONE can return to heterosexuality. It’s baffling and I’ve had more than one conversation with friends about it. Most gays bellive like Justice on #24. They totally deny that someone can return. Take the morality aspect out of it completely.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:11 pmTed Haggard was cured. - -
June 1st, 2007 at 4:11 pmPay attention: OUTED does not equal CURED. Headslap.
Shidlo and Schroeder - here’s what the Rainbow Alliance says about it:
http://www.ralliance.org/SpitzerStudy.html
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/ rainbow/ html/ facts_changing.html
“The second APA paper, presented by Dr. Ariel Shidlo and Dr. Michael Schroeder, reported findings from a study of 202 homosexuals who were recruited through the Internet and direct mailings to groups advocating conversion therapy. Most of the participants (178, or 88%) reported that efforts to change their sexual orientation had failed. Only 6 (3%) achieved what the researchers considered a heterosexual shift. Drs. Shidlo and Schroeder also reported that many respondents were harmed by the attempt to change. ”
When I got to the bit where the ‘therapists’ were wokring their mumbo-jumbo ‘through the Power-ah of Jesus-ah Christ-ah!’ I knew we were not talking about science.
P*ss off with your junk science, Joke. Your a lying sack of sh*te. m12 - would you send your son to camp with Ted Haggard?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:12 pm#24
Interesting that someone blames homosexuality on God!
I’ve always been curious as to why no one tries to blame homosexual behavior on evolution. Seems to me that claiming nature is trying to evolve a new, separate gender would make a lot of sense. After all, isn’t claiming that it’s cause by genetics borderline referring to natural selection and random mutation.
But, of course, this doesn’t make sense at all, because nature’s prime thrust (double entredre intended) is to replicate those genes.
After all, it’s about behavior isn’t it?
The Creator didn’t design people to be homosexuals.
BTW, why don’t you blame homosexuality on the EvilOne.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:12 pmAccording to Masters and Johnson, nobody is 100% straight or 100% gay.
We’re ALL bisexual.
Time for a pitcher of margaritas!
June 1st, 2007 at 4:12 pmWilco what STDs do you share with others?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:12 pmThis is the result of the pro-abortion movement. Get used to it.
Comment by m12 — June 1, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
The pro-abortion movement is to blame for you wanting to abort all gay children?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:12 pmIf there wasn’t a pro-abortion movement, you’d love to have a gay child, then?
Your logic is staggering.
And what happened to the party of personal responsibility? Playing the victim card like this and all. Pretty weak.
You know this guy is a closet homosexual! I’ll bet he could suck start a Harley! He just doesn’t want anyone to know he likes the cock.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:13 pmHere is Gay day a TP! June 1st mark your calendars.
Disney is this month too.
Comment by Flaco
Is that why YOU’RE here? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:13 pmSo what’s the term for bi-sexuals that no longer practice bi-sexuality?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:13 pmAh, that bizarre phenomena where people actually choose what they want to do and how they want to do it. Let’s see, what’s that called again? Oh, that’s right, “Freedom”.
We cannot be having that now. It’s so unpatriotic.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:14 pmHere’s the PEER-REVIEWED study by Shidlo and Schroeder, who reported findings from their study where six (6, not ZERO) homosexuals achieved what the researchers considered a heterosexual shift: http://www.haworthpress.com/ store/ ArticleAbstract.asp?sid=KV6LLTT278058M1PXQ9EBPGEDM1F8TRE&ID=13992
June 1st, 2007 at 4:14 pmI sure miss Daryll’s enlightened pronouncements on this thread.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:14 pmAre you saying there’s been ZERO cases of homosexuals being cured?
Ted Haggard was cured.
Comment by m12
Only a Republican would believe in homosexual rehab.
Comment by shane
And only a real dum bass would believe in “homosexual rehab” that took two weeks.
But Ted is “cured” because he says so. Just like Tom DeLay has an intimate relationship with Jesus because . . . he says so. That makes it a fact.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:15 pmFlaco, seriously, you’re in high school, aren’t you?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:16 pmAnd you refuse to believe a man’s own judgement on his own desires. I think he knows better than you do.
Comment by m12 — June 1, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Uh, most of the gay ‘curing’ that is done is to get people to deny their gay desires. When they are turned on by another man they are told that is bad (i.e. given electric shock). If they were neutral you’d imagine they’d end up telling some people that they should convert from straight to gay. Strange how they never do that.
I disagree with the idea that it’s purely genetic. I think there is some free choice in it. Unlike the fundamentalists, I think people should be happy with whatever choice they make. Sexuality is a very complex topic. To say that someone is just dumped into a ‘gay’ category because of their genes oversimplifies things.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:16 pmWilco U homo right?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:16 pmAny doctor who truly believes that homosexuality can be cured is medically ignorant and certainly should not be SG.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:17 pm#64-VOLDEMORT?????
June 1st, 2007 at 4:19 pmTed Faggart also said he was cured in three weeks of his methamphetamine habit.
No freakin’ way. He would need at least a month in rehab. Inpatient rehab. Not “christian counseling”. Rehab done by professionals.
Teddy Boy is lying and Repukes are gullible morons to believe him.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:19 pmReading some of the comments above, I noted that I already agreed it was a SMALL percentage of participants who successfully changed their homosexual orientation to heterosexual. It was more than ZERO however. As I said, I also watch “To Catch a Predator” on Dateline NBC, so I agreed it is certainly difficult for some to achieve such a sustained change in their sexual behaviour. As for John and Anne Paulk, regardless of whether John relapsed, they are still married and as far as I know, Anne has sustained her change in homosexual orientation. Again, all I had to prove was that it’s been done at least once.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:19 pmJake,
I’m sure you could find many people who would describe a straight to gay shift. Like the senator from California named Huffington (Arianna’s ex-husband). What does that prove? The point, as I said before, is that these people are FORCING people into what they believe is right. They are not HELPING them discover what they truly want.
BTW, I believe there are counselers that help people feel comfortable with whatever sexuality they decide upon. It sounds like you need to see one of these to get over your denial.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:19 pmThere are bisexual people and many heterosexuals that tried it and didn’t like it. So anyone who experimented was really born that way and are denying their true self?
Your fallacious argument just made my point. Thank you.
Comment by Eric
If they tried it and didn’t like it they are not homosexuals or bisexuals they are heterosexuals. What part of that is confusing?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:19 pmSex drive is innate. You don’t choose it. It chooses you.
Comment by Tom3
AIDS chooses U too.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:20 pmFlaco, you’re an idiot.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:21 pmhomosexual rehab LOL
fits right in with their dumbthink way of looking at things
humans walked with dinosaurs, the earth is 6,000 years old, global warming is a myth, you can “win” the “war on terrah”
yup, fits.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:22 pm“And you refuse to believe a man’s own judgement on his own desires. I think he knows better than you do.
Comment by m12″
Actually, I prefer to believe the evidence over what the man’s own judgement is.
I.e.,
You claim the lord cured you of your homosexuality, but you were caught cruising a gay bar? I believe you were *not* there for the beer and pretzels, but rather the opportunity to meet sexually available men. I.e., you’re gay.
You are the leader of a national evangelical organization and provide weekly advice to the president, but you were buying drugs from and using them with a gay male escort? I believe you have a drug problem *and* you’re *very* gay.
It’s funny how a person’s subjective opinion about themselves is often different from the objective opinion held by the rest of the world.
That’s why I don’t give a rat’s ass how he un-gay he thinks he is; if he’s smoking cock, he’s gay.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:22 pmThis guy has zero credibility in the medical/scientific community and it’s clearly a further attempt by this christofascist white house to blur the line separating church and state.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:25 pmThe pro-abortion movement is to blame for you wanting to abort all gay children?
If there wasn’t a pro-abortion movement, you’d love to have a gay child, then?
No, the pro-abortion movement provided a convenient solution to the problem.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:25 pmJust like Tom DeLay has an intimate relationship with Jesus because . . . he says so. That makes it a fact.
Comment by gummitch
Didn’t you know, Jesus is the Answer, for shorter prison sentences that is. Even Paris Hilton carried a bible into court. What a joke.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:25 pmThe repukes banned federal funds for stem cell research. Which pretty much stopped it. That’s not a lie.
You Repukes know all about lying. Your beloved Chimp does it every single time he opens his mouth.
And you’re stupid enough to still believe him.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:26 pm“Is Homosexuality A Mental Disorder?
NO. All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder.” - American Psychiatric Association
http://www.healthyminds.org/glbissues.cfm
Never was being Jewish, or black, or a Slav, or a pikey.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:29 pmIf God wanted everyone to reproduce, why did he create some people sterile?
It takes straight people to make gay people!
June 1st, 2007 at 4:30 pmTrust me, I’ve never been heterophobic!
I’m pleased that straight people are making more gay people!
Impeach Bush.
He can do so much damage in 1.5 years. He can’t be reelected so he is just going to trash the country like the irresponsible-frat-boy-cheerleader that he is.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:30 pmNah, not prejudiced bone in his body, but then someone who agrees with you would tend to take a pass on that, eh?
Actually, I would think that given the Bush Maladministration’s record, they have picked someone is not only a bigot but probably unqualified and/or incompetent.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:30 pmCelibate.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:30 pm“Didn’t you know, Jesus is the Answer, ” - yes Shane, but you need to frame the answer in the form of a question. Thanks for playing :)
June 1st, 2007 at 4:31 pmOOPS
So what’s the term for bi-sexuals that no longer practice bi-sexuality?
Comment by Eric
CELIBATE
June 1st, 2007 at 4:32 pmVinnie
Yes, a genetic component is still being debated.
http://www.webmd.com/ sex-relationships/ news/ 20050128/ is-there-gay-gene
June 1st, 2007 at 4:33 pmDemocrats should confirm this nominee quickly. Otherwise, they risk looking partisan, or anti-science.
I’m a liberal Democrat and I’m concerned about how this will affect them with the voters, that’s all.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:33 pmYou claim the lord cured you of your homosexuality, but you were caught cruising a gay bar? I believe you were *not* there for the beer and pretzels, but rather the opportunity to meet sexually available men. I.e., you’re gay.
You are the leader of a national evangelical organization and provide weekly advice to the president, but you were buying drugs from and using them with a gay male escort? I believe you have a drug problem *and* you’re *very* gay.
All that proves is that he *was* gay. He has stopped doing those things.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:34 pmWhat’s the big deal? It’s not like this asshat is gonna be the head of FEMA or the head of NASA or something.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:34 pmFlaco, seriously, you’re in high school, aren’t you?
Comment by Wilco
Wilco, I think Flaco is jealous because you have a sex life. And he couldn’t get laid in a whore house with a fist full of $100s.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:34 pm#64-VOLDEMORT?????
Comment by whiteyfresh
Careful with he who shall not be named …
June 1st, 2007 at 4:35 pmThe repukes banned federal funds for stem cell research. Which pretty much stopped it. That’s not a lie.
No, it isn’t, but it’s a far cry from the lie you spouted earlier.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:36 pmSo what’s the term for bi-sexuals that no longer practice bi-sexuality?
Comment by Eric
CELIBATE
Comment by shane
NO!!! it’s called monogamous.
Wow everyone in here seems off base. Just because someone tells you that they are ‘cured’ doesn’t mean they are. You can’t cure something that has no cure. It has no cure because it is not a disease.
Bisexuals who are now with one person are the same as heterosexuals who are now with one partner. It doesn’t meant they are no longer attracted to other people.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:36 pmI don’t hate homos either, I just hate the idea that it’s considered normal.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:36 pmm12,
“All that proves is that he *was* gay. He has stopped doing those things.”
No it doesn’t prove that he no longer gay. He still may prefer men to women, but now the zealots in this country have had there way with him, they have scared him back into the closet.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:38 pmFlaco, your compassion knows no bounds.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:40 pmWilco,
June 1st, 2007 at 4:40 pmU homosexaul right?
The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette wrote the original news story on this topic. It — and several other stories on this topic — are posted at http://www.biblebeltblogger.com
June 1st, 2007 at 4:40 pmAll that proves is that he *was* gay. He has stopped doing those things.
Comment by m12 — June 1, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
For some reason this makes me think of the Seinfeld episode where George gets a hairpiece and then says, “I was bald”.
Maybe it makes me think of it because once Elaine ripped his toup off his head and tossed it out the window, everyone could see that he was STILL bald. Just like once a “cured ex-gay” get caught in a gay bar, everyone can see that he’s STILL GAY.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:40 pmWilco this guy can help you change.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:41 pmYou should call now.
Ted Faggart also said he was cured in three weeks of his methamphetamine habit.
No freakin’ way. He would need at least a month in rehab. Inpatient rehab. Not “christian counselingâ€. Rehab done by professionals.
Teddy Boy is lying and Repukes are gullible morons to believe him.
Comment by Tom3
Methamphetamine users have the highest recidivism rate of any druggies. Look at VV, she can’t quit, obviously. And you can bet Ted doesn’t want to quit either habit.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:41 pmThis subject really scares people straight.
What worry is it of anyone else’s what’s done between consenting adults?
The Romans wanted homosexuals in their military. Their empire lasted longer than ours so far.
It’s all relative morality
June 1st, 2007 at 4:41 pmI hate Repukes.
And I hate the idea that they consider themselves normal.
Torture and treason are not normal.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:42 pmVery true Vinnie. I have desires to be a philanderer at times but I’ve been able to overcome those desires. Am I fighting my true-self or am I just controlling my desires? If you use the gay community logic, it’s genetic and any resistance is futile. I also personally know heterosexual men that are as gay as Richard Simmons, they are just celibate to that lifestyle. I know if they were to be bi-curious, they would never return. Complicated is the right word.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:43 pmAgain, all I had to prove was that it’s been done at least once.
Comment by Jake
But Jake this thread isn’t about you. It’s about the Surgeon General. 3% of the study “said” they changed. This nominee wants to change them all. And the people who did the study said it was detrimental to the participants.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:44 pmFlaco, your mother must be so proud of her little boy. Such a gentleman, such a kind young man.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:45 pmJesus loves you even if no one else does.
No it doesn’t prove that he no longer gay. He still may prefer men to women, but now the zealots in this country have had there way with him, they have scared him back into the closet.
Or *drumroll*, he may prefer women to men!
June 1st, 2007 at 4:45 pmJust as bad, this guy has a horrible history in veterans affairs as well. He served under Bush Sr. The follwing is from an article I read.
“As Chief Medical Director of the Department of Veterans Affairs under Bush’s father, Dr. Holsinger was neglecting our vets long before Walter Reed made it fashionable. A government investigation found “several cases in which incompetence and neglect led to the deaths of patients.” Dr. Holsinger was forced to admit blame for the deaths of six patients in less than a year at a single Chicago hospital alone.
But the problems weren’t limited to Chicago. In a Wyoming, a patient scheduled for surgery for a treatable cancer died after he was ignored for 45 days following the resignation of the staff urologist over a contract dispute. Thirty VA hospitals were found to have “high numbers of patient complications and other indicators of substandard care.”
A decade later, Dr. Holsinger was appointed Kentucky’s Cabinet Secretary for Health and Family Services. By the end of his tenure, a Kentucky newspaper found that the state was at the bottom of the nation for almost every health measure.” http://www.buzzflash.com
June 1st, 2007 at 4:46 pmMaybe it makes me think of it because once Elaine ripped his toup off his head and tossed it out the window, everyone could see that he was STILL bald. Just like once a “cured ex-gay†get caught in a gay bar, everyone can see that he’s STILL GAY.
Kindly tell me. Let us, hypothetically, assert that it is possible for Ted Haggard to be cured.
How, hypothetically, could he prove it to you?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:46 pmSo what’s the term for bi-sexuals that no longer practice bi-sexuality?
Comment by Eric
Bisexuals who are now with one person are the same as heterosexuals who are now with one partner. It doesn’t meant they are no longer attracted to other people.
Comment by Crump’s Brother
Not to split hairs but if they are bisexuals they can have sex with either a male or female and still be bisexual. If they no longer practice bi-sexuality, as the idiot suggests, then perhaps they could be celibate. But they are still bisexuals.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:47 pmI have a jar of Santorum.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:48 pmNo it doesn’t prove that he no longer gay. He still may prefer men to women, but now the zealots in this country have had there way with him, they have scared him back into the closet.
Or *drumroll*, he may prefer women to men!
Comment by m12 — June 1, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Or *drumroll* pigs might fly out of his butt!!!! (What? I said “might”.)
June 1st, 2007 at 4:50 pmAIDS chooses U too.
Comment by Flaco
The highest incidence of new cases of aids is from married women getting it from their husbands. Especially in countries where there is no birth control or abortion and so they use alternative methods of avoiding pregnancy.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:51 pmNo, the pro-abortion movement provided a convenient solution to the problem.
Comment by m12
You will never get laid, no need to worry about children or abortion.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:54 pmThis occured in 1973. Before that they were all unanimous that it was indeed a mental disorder.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:55 pmA decade later, Dr. Holsinger was appointed Kentucky’s Cabinet Secretary for Health and Family Services. By the end of his tenure, a Kentucky newspaper found that the state was at the bottom of the nation for almost every health measure.
Heck of a job doc.
The bottom line is the only reason Bush wants him as Surgeon General is because of his views on homosexuality. The doctors previous record means nothing. He could have been an equestrian doctor for all Bush cares.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:55 pmDidn’t you know, Jesus is the Answer, †- yes Shane, but you need to frame the answer in the form of a question. Thanks for playing :)
Comment by Alex Trebek
Hi Alex, I used to have such a crush on you.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:56 pmKindly tell me. Let us, hypothetically, assert that it is possible for Ted Haggard to be cured.
How, hypothetically, could he prove it to you?
Comment by m12 — June 1, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
Wow. A real hypothetical question. Who wrote it for you?
Given that he has established a reputation for lying to himself, his loved ones and his congregation, I don’t know if there’s a way he could “prove” it to me. See, that’s the thing about “trust”. Once it’s damaged, it can never fully recover.
And, since I don’t believe that one can change one’s sexual orientation, nor do I think homosexuality is anything to be “cured”, I have to say that he could not “prove” to me that he’s “cured”.
But it’s actually none of my business whether he thinks he’s cured or not. It’s a matter for him and his family and the people with whom he works. The sad thing is that those people are gay-bashers.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:58 pmThis occured in 1973. Before that they were all unanimous that it was indeed a mental disorder.
Comment by Eric — June 1, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Which proves that with more knowledge, understanding changes views. Something that escapes the religious crowd.
June 1st, 2007 at 4:58 pmWho is ’still hot and whose tush is better than you see on TV’, Shane?
June 1st, 2007 at 4:59 pm#128 - “This occured in 1973. Before that they were all unanimous that it was indeed a mental disorder.” Comment by Eric — June 1, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
They also considered being attracted to opposite races to be a mental disorder at one time.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:00 pmCleanse away in Jesus Name Dr. Holsinger.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:01 pmI hate Repukes.
And I hate the idea that they consider themselves normal.
Torture and treason are not normal.
Comment by Tom3
Honestly, I’d prefer my child grow up gay than Republican.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:02 pm“Is Homosexuality A Mental Disorder?
NO. All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder.†- American Psychiatric Association
This occured in 1973. Before that they were all unanimous that it was indeed a mental disorder.
Comment by Eric — June 1, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
Your point?
June 1st, 2007 at 5:05 pmI personally know a gay person who turned back to a heterosexual marriage. What’s so wrong about that? It’s because the gay community goes ape when you attack their base premise: It’s genetic. They shut down anyone who talks about giving up the lifestyle as if you can never turn back. This is one of the most hypocritical components of the gay community. Everyone should be free to follow their desires except for those that were gay. There is no going back - period. Diversity doesn’t include former gay people. They are just “fighting†their true self. What hogwash.
Comment by Eric — June 1, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Eric, no suprise. Satan influences these individuals.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:05 pmEric: yes, and since then…. no change… it took the United States until 1965 to decide that a black person was more than 3/5 of a person…. since then… no change. Keep seeking an excuse for your bigotry Eric, you won’t find one.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:05 pmThis occured in 1973. Before that they were all unanimous that it was indeed a mental disorder.
Comment by Eric
It is NOT a mental disorder. It is just the way some people are born. Like blondes, or green eyes, or lower than average IQs like your’s but still normal.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:06 pmYikes. I was simply stating a fact - why the judgement passing?
So if the Supreme Court overturns Roe, you must stay consistent and say that with knowledge, understanding changes views. I won’t hold my breath.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:06 pmThanks for the link, TripMaster. “John told the board that he had ‘no sinful intentions’ in entering that bar. . . . but admitted he knew it was a gay bar.†Funny! I used to live in Dupont Circle. My gay friends in DC told me very clearly that one goes into the gay bars in Dupont for only one reason - and it wasn’t for the buffalo wings.
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — June 1, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
Don’t worry, I know where the bar is located. We’re looking for an ordinance to shut it down. We were successfully in closing polyesters.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:07 pmDarryl, do you own your wife?
June 1st, 2007 at 5:07 pmHe could have been an equestrian doctor for all Bush cares.
Comment by Yikes
Heckuva job, Brownie!
June 1st, 2007 at 5:07 pmTed Faggard was cured? LOL!!
You Repukes will believe anything you’re told, you morons.
Comment by Tom3 — June 1, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Please refrain from mocking God’s child. It’s dangerous.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:07 pmSatan influences these individuals.
Comment by Daryll — June 1, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Sure took Daryll a while to get here, huh? I guess he was still poring over that list of biblical laws that someone provided for him yesterday, trying to decide if stoning was required for someone who ate shellfish or not.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:08 pm“Satan influences these individuals.
Comment by Daryll — June 1, 2007 @ 5:05 pm”
Prove Satan exists, St Daryll. Took your time getting to the gay thread Daryll - self flaggelation take a bit longer than usual today?
June 1st, 2007 at 5:08 pmWho is ’still hot and whose tush is better than you see on TV’, Shane?
Comment by Alex Trebek
Definitely, I’m just too old for crushes anymore.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:09 pmDiversity doesn’t include former gay people. They are just “fighting†their true self. What hogwash.
Comment by Eric
Homoswexuals should feel free to adopt any lifestyle they choose. Gay or straight. As long as nobody else is hurt.
Comment by shane — June 1, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Jesus is hurt, especially since he shed his blood on the cross for these sinners.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:09 pmDon’t worry, I know where the bar is located.
Comment by Daryll
Yes Daryll, we’re sure you do.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:11 pmAlex - throwing bigotry name calling out? Where did that come from? Because I don’t agree that some people can change their sexual orientation, I’m now a bigot? Classic ad hominen. You can’t handle someone with a differing viewpoint.
If I follow your illogic, you’re trying to tie slavery into the argument? That is a classic straw-man. Nice try. Stick to the topic and avoid your sweeping generalizations.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:12 pmSomebody brought up evolution and it reminded me of the latest weak-as-hell religious rationalization for the physical evidence of there having been life on this planet hundreds of millions of years ago: “God put those fossils there to test our faith”. When all else fails for the faithful (except for logic, which is never even attempted), they resort to the old ‘God works in strange and mysterious ways’. That’s another way of saying “I haven’t a clue.”
So, I figure that I can speculate about God’s motives as well as the next guy. Since I don’t believe in God, the speculation could get pretty wild. But, if you want a reason for hypothetical God putting homosexuals in our midst, try this on for size: He wanted to see who could maintain a Christ-like demeanor and continue to practice so-called Christian charity when faced with an inexplicable phenomenon that turns all traditional notions of gender and sexual relations on their head. Who will become fearful? Who will become enraged? Who will attempt to understand? Who will show compassion for the objects of that fear and rage?
Who passed his test and who failed?
June 1st, 2007 at 5:12 pmDarryl, do you own your wife?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 1, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
No, we’re equal partners, but God holds me responsible for the decisions within our family.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:12 pmJesus is hurt, especially since he shed his blood on the cross for these sinners.
Comment by Daryll — June 1, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Also, I’m going to stomp on a kitten everytime I see a gay person.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:13 pmSo if the Supreme Court overturns Roe, you must stay consistent and say that with knowledge, understanding changes views. I won’t hold my breath.
Comment by Eric — June 1, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Wow. Talk about tortured logic. Oops — I meant “enhanced interrogation” pseudo-logic.
Equating a court decision with scientific consensus… yeah, i could see where that would be convincing enough for a wingnut.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:14 pmJesus is hurt, especially since he shed his blood on the cross for these sinners.
Comment by Daryll
Hey Daryll have I told you where to stick that cross? Oh and then let me know if your shit really doesn’t stink, cay.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:14 pmOne difficulty with any study of homosexuality is distinguishing between homosexual identity and homosexual behavior, which are not synonymous. The “successes” of conversion therapy are likely to be due to the person changing his or her behavior, that is being sexual with only people of the opposite gender or not sexually active at all. The person may have an underlying heterosexual identity, though confused or too emotionally disturbed to express it and instead engaged in homosexual acts. Or the person may have an underlying homosexual identity which he or she represses behaviorally. Sound science has demonstrated that homosexual identity does not change, even though the sexual behavior might. For those who “believe” in conversion therapy, I would ask: “could therapy of any kind change you from a heterosexual to a homosexual?”.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:16 pmDon’t worry, I know where the bar is located. We’re looking for an ordinance to shut it down. We were successfully in closing polyesters.
Comment by Daryll — June 1, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
*The* bar? Have you been to Dupont Circle recently? You’d have trouble walking into a bar that wasn’t mostly gay.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:17 pmYikes. I was simply stating a fact - why the judgement passing?
So if the Supreme Court overturns Roe, you must stay consistent and say that with knowledge, understanding changes views. I won’t hold my breath.
Comment by Eric — June 1, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
WTF?
Are you dense?
In 1973 they determined that homosexuality is not a mental disease as a result of studying the subject. You, for some unknown reason, say that before 1973 homosexuality was a mental disease. Big deal. Before Copernicus and Galileo, and for some time after, the Earth was thought to be stationary. It was with new knowledge that understanding of reality changed the view. Bringing up Roe vs Wade is more deflection on your part.
The list of knowledge that has changed understanding is bloody endless and the fact that homosexuality is not a mental disease is but one of them.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:17 pmMongo said, “t’s funny how a person’s subjective opinion about themselves is often different from the objective opinion held by the rest of the world.”
This is a fulcrum point of the argument that I see people of faith make all the time (not you Mongo, you’re post just instigated my thought). The fallacy that opinion is evidence. When did people stop using Critical Thinking? You know, that mental skill created by Socrates that stipulates that arguments must be analyzed based upon evidence, not opinion.
And secondly, all these people saying others can be “cured” of being gay is ridiculous as their core assumptions and beliefs on the subject are fallacious. Being gay is a social identity that some people take upon themselves due to society making such a big deal about who people have sex with. If society didn’t differentiate or discriminate against people who have sex with those of their same sex, there would be no gay identity (as the societal need for that identity wouldn’t be there).
Behavior and attraction are distinct from identity. And while people may control their behavior (ie homosexual or heterosexual behavior), changing sexual desire is something that we know little to nothing about.
The problem with people wanting others to be “cured” of being gay is that it continues the destructive social mores surrounding sexuality. Ted Haggard is a victim of this damaging social more and he internalized this hatred so much that he became the abuser, disassociated himself from his desires, and used drugs to alleviate the emotions tied to his self hatred. (For those of you who don’t know: one of the effects of Meth is an increase in self confidence and a decrease in inhibitions - with a corresponding swing in the other direction when the drug effect end).
June 1st, 2007 at 5:17 pmGod holds me responsible for the decisions within our family.
Comment by Daryll — June 1, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Apparently He also holds you responsible for the sex lives of sinners, too. Wow. That’s a lot on your shoulders, Daryll.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:17 pmLibs, never say never. Our Men’s organization converted 11 people back into the homosexual lifestyle during are retreat, which occured in April. Two of the individuals from the group are currently engaged, and another has reconciled with his wife.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:18 pmDarryll: “Darryl, do you own your wife?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 1, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
No, we’re equal partners, but God holds me responsible for the decisions within our family.
Comment by Daryll — June 1, 2007 @ 5:12 pm”
That’s not what you said here on the 30th about DrXJs wife:
“She belongs to her ex-husband.â€
So which is today? Are you lying today or were you lying on Wednesday?
June 1st, 2007 at 5:19 pmDid Jesus ever talk specifically about homosexual? Back on topic, this guy won’t pass congress.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:19 pm*The* bar? Have you been to Dupont Circle recently? You’d have trouble walking into a bar that wasn’t mostly gay.
Comment by erock — June 1, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
No, I don’t go to clubs because it’s sinful. I’ve heard that the Georgetown and Adams Morgan area is heavily populated with homosexuals. God, help them!
June 1st, 2007 at 5:20 pmchimpeach
My sentiments EXACTLY: “whatever you do to these the least of my brethern you do unto me”.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:21 pmI think Daryll does this for fun and gets his kicks trying to say the most insane things to inflame his “audience.” Typical Troll behavior that deems he should be ignored, not fed.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:23 pmNo, I don’t go to clubs because it’s sinful. I’ve heard that the Georgetown and Adams Morgan area is heavily populated with homosexuals. God, help them!
Comment by Daryll — June 1, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Least surprising response ever.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:23 pmLibs, never say never. Our Men’s organization converted 11 people back into the homosexual lifestyle during are retreat, which occured in April. Two of the individuals from the group are currently engaged, and another has reconciled with his wife.
Comment by Daryll — June 1, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
That only proves that brainwashing is alive and well in your religion.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:24 pmOur Men’s organization converted 11 people back into the homosexual lifestyle during are retreat, which occured in April.
Comment by Daryll — June 1, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
I’ll bet that was a struggle. What did you do to covert them back into the homosexual lifestyle? Say “okay, boys, go at it”?
June 1st, 2007 at 5:25 pmI think Daryll does this for fun and gets his kicks trying to say the most insane things to inflame his “audience.†Typical Troll behavior that deems he should be ignored, not fed.
Comment by CpnJustice — June 1, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Do you believe hell is a fun place. This is not a game. The rapture is drawing nigh.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:26 pm161:
June 1st, 2007 at 5:27 pmThanks guys. These gentlemen must be happy that you converted them BACK into the HOMOSEXUAL lifestyle. I assume they were gay and strayed. You’ve done the Lord’s work by returning them to whom the were intended to be. I job well done. And to think that I misttok you for a homophobic crazed Christain lunatic. My apologies! Please let the engaged couple know we welcome them here in NH and I am glad that the other fellow was able to come to terms with his wife during the time of his wandering. I am sure it helps her to know that the difficulties they may have faced were not any reflection upon her.
Daryll
You can give all the anecdotal evidence you want but many of us can counter with our own. Conversion therapy has been scientifically studied and found to have NO success in truly converting a person with a homosexual identity to a heterosexual identity. Worse, there are serious negative consequences to many who try.
Coversion therapy MUST NOT be the basis of any public policy.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:27 pmOur Men’s organization converted 11 people back into the homosexual lifestyle during are retreat, which occured in April.
Comment by Daryll — June 1, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
I’ll bet that was a struggle. What did you do to covert them back into the homosexual lifestyle? Say “okay, boys, go at it�
Comment by KRank — June 1, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
I apologize. I meant the heterosexual lifestyle.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:28 pmJesus is hurt, especially since he shed his blood on the cross for these sinners.
Comment by Daryll
You know what really hurts Jesus? It’s when he has to listen to assclowns like you using his name to justify your idiotic prejudices. He is so sick of people throwing his name around, claiming that he wants them to hate this group of people or that one, that he wants them to start wars and go kill innocent people. He’s really hurt by the lying, cheating, murdering little degenerate in the White House who goes around telling people that all his perversions are just an exercise of Jesus’ will.
How do I know? He told me so. I asked him about you, Daryll. And he said you, especially, give him the shits. He said you’re a pompous jerk who has no clue what his sermons were all about. He wants you to stop using his name.
Hey, I’m just telling you what he said.
June 1st, 2007 at 5:30 pmEric: you cast the first ‘ad hominem’ at justice - “Justice: Showing your ignorance.” - hyprocrite. If you can’t take it don’t dish it out.
The link to 1965 civil rights for all Americans is not a strawman. It is an analogy drawn between the treatment of blacks under the law because of their legislated inferiority and the current treatment of gays under the law. Because of some perceived flaw in their humanity, they are discriminated against.
Perhaps you are right, you haven’t confirmed yet if you are a bigot… but if you subscribe to the opinion tha