Officials discuss ‘detailed’ plans for permanent bases.
Officials discuss ‘detailed’ plans for permanent bases.
“For the first time, the Bush administration is beginning publicly to discuss basing American troops in Iraq for years, even decades to come, a subject so fraught with political landmines that officials are tiptoeing around the inevitable questions about what the United States’ long-term mission would be there.”
Administration officials and top military leaders declined to talk on the record about their long-term plans in Iraq. But when speaking on a not-for-attribution basis, they describe a fairly detailed concept. It calls for maintaining three or four major bases in the country, all well outside of the crowded urban areas where casualties have soared. They would include the base at Al Asad in Anbar Province, Balad Air Base about 50 miles north of Baghdad, and Tallil Air Base in the south.
Never mind, as Bill Scher notes, that the Iraq spending bill that President Bush just signed includes the following provision:
SEC. 3301. None of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this or any other Act shall be obligated or expended by the United States Government for a purpose as follows:
(1) To establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing for the permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq.
(2) To exercise United States control over any oil resource of Iraq.
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Bush signed the funding bill in private, so no one could see his fingers crossed behind his back.
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:33 pmDon’t worry, Chimpy will ignore that law with another signing statement.
Chimpy’s whole plan is to build permanent bases and exercise US control over Iraqi oil.
That’s the real reason we invaded Iraq and still occupy it 5 years later.
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:33 pmDid you really think Bush would leave a half billion Fortress / Embassy without other bases in the country? This is all part of Cheany’s big FU to the Muslims (not selling oil – aka the ‘people’).
Might as well call them ongoing ‘targets.’
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:35 pmPlease excuse the comment “not related” to post. We are running late and scrambling to get the word out.
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:39 pmNOTICE: Live Chat Tonight during Dem debate
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um…didn’t Haliburton just commit to moving to Saudi Arabia.
if that’s the case, the nevermind means: nevermind, the crime family is still at least a step ahead.
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:39 pmPlease excuse the comment "not
related" to post. We are running late and scrambling to get the word out.
NOTICE:
Live Chat Tonight during Dem debate
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Blue State
In a progressive blogosphere first, we will unveil "The Blue
State Live Chat" during the Democratic Debate. You will be
able to chat in real time with other fellow progressives about your favorite
candidate(s) as you watch on CNN. We have never tried this before.
All you need to do is enter a nickname and start yapping away. We hope
you all will join us at 7 PM ET tonight.
The live chat is in real time
– You can chat with other progressives as the debate happens.
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June 3rd, 2007 at 6:39 pmnevermind: can you say signing statement?
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:40 pmI have no problem with permanent bases. What’s next, we have to shut down every foreign embassy we have?
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:43 pmI’m really getting tired of the media protecting the identities of people who are not saying anything critical of the administration. If they’re telling the truth, then they should tell everyone who they are so we can decide for ourselves if we want to believe them. Now, if it turns out that they change their minds (unofficially, because officially they’ve always done exactly as they intended to do), they can deny they had anything to do with the initial reports like this one.
Wake up, Washington Press Corps! Every time you grant anonymity to someone in the Bush administration, you are simply playing right into their hands and letting yourself get used to suit their purposes. I challenge every member of the WPC to go back through their notes and find every instance where one of their anonymous sources told them something that turned out to be untrue (and that there might be good reasion to believe they knew that at the time) and publicize the names of every single liar. I would rather they say nothing at all to the press than that they be allowed to lie without penalty.
But that’s just me, I guess.
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:43 pmWhat debate at 7 pm? I don’t see it.
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:45 pmIf thats the FOX News debate, I refuse to watch it.
SHAME on the Congressional Black Caucus.
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:46 pmhm, Bill Scher, drinking the “oversight,” “democrats are in charge!” koolaid.
Bill, since when has anything as trifle as the constitution stopped the crime family?
with oversight like this…who needs enemies?
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmLike everyone else, I smell one big stinkin’ signing statement!!
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmTom3. I believe it’s going to be on CNN, 7 PM ET (about five minutes). None of the top-tier Dems are coming, but all the other guys will be there.
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:48 pmno problem with it? It is exactly what Bush said he would NOT DO. You are the most blocklheaded man. No wonder you come here, no one can stand you in person, I hope you do this as some sort of sick entertainment and you don’t truly have the views you express here because if you truly hold these views, you need help.
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:48 pmJake,
Yeah, that’s the argument putz…sheeeeesh!
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:49 pmPublic confirmation that the White House sees an American military presence in Iraq without end is the single greatest motivating and recruiting tool given to insurgents in the history of the war, and must be recanted, Iraq Veterans said today.
Jon Soltz, head of the largest political group of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, VoteVets.org, said, “The president and vice-president like to say that insurgents in Iraq listen to what we say over here. If they do, there’s no question that this morning, those who seek to kill our troops are buzzing with talk that America plans on occupying Iraq forever. The bulls-eye on the back of our troops just got a whole lot bigger, and the president is to blame. He has to recant these kinds of statements, so he doesn’t embolden the enemy more than he already has.”
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:50 pm————————————-
The Bushies not only talk out of both sides of their mouths, but they contradict themselves at every turn.
The largest embassy in the world, rivaling the Vatican in size, is being built in Iraq for the US. The number of military bases there are not being built so they can be vacated in 6 months. Anyone who doubted the real plans of Bush&Co were looking through rose colored glasses — people who could read and think have Bush figured out — he’s a liar, a schemer, a dictator and a criminal.
O.K., so we CAN keep the embassy in Baghdad at least?
June 3rd, 2007 at 6:59 pmOccupation-
Are you ready for the clash of civilzations and the police state that supports it?
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmyou bet, jake, and you can be the doorman!
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:05 pm“I have no problem with permanent bases. What’s next, we have to shut down every foreign embassy we have?
Comment by Jake”
Only a bush sucking republican moron would think that bases and embassies are the same thing.
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:10 pmInteresting YouTube video about the [so-called] clash of civilizations.
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWyJJQbFago
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmOK, lessee the signing statements.
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmMy god . . . we’ve gone and stolen a whole country . . .
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:21 pmtell me again why i should bother to read, much less respond to jake’s posts? all that happens is that the guy derails any discussion and turns it into a pissing match that’s about what li’l jakey wants to discuss.
forget that foolishness.
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:25 pmSo, if they can track any of this money being used to work on the bases, can we impeach these assclowns?
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:28 pmTo prohibit “the permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq.”
It is ridiculously easy to get around that prohibition, as well as this,
“To exercise United States control over any oil resource of Iraq.”
First, the stationing of troops could be outsourced to Blackwater. Private security is not United States Armed Forces. The same goes for control over any oil resource. The whole point of the Iraq Oil Bill is to give control to US Corporations, not the US Government.
Second, permanent means forever. 50 years is not permanent. Even a US presence for a millenia is not “permanent.” And let’s face it, as magnificent as these military bases are, they are not “permanent” in any geological time frame. A billion years from now, they will be forgotten, without so much as an archeological trace.
No signing statement needed. Bush got the latitude necessary to build non-permanent bases, and man them with private security forces, if need be.
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:31 pmUgh
congress
signing statements
hearings
votes for or against funding
Gonzales
funneling $ to mercs and black ops
surges
terror
war on terror
stay
go
ugh
None of this matters. Until a super majority of Americans say “GET OUT” it’s all going to be games. The Super Majority is the only thing that matters. In the public and in the congress. So,
stop saying “war”, and start calling it what it is. An Occupation.
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:36 pmMike Wallace asked Ahmadinejad if it were true he has 50,000 suicide bombers ready to attack US and Britain if America attacks Iran. He responded by saying [para]
“I wish America would quit threatening other nations so that you wouldn’t have to ask me those kinds of questions.”
Interesting interview.
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:48 pmJake…U may have no problems with foreign bases in Iraq…but the Iraquis and other people in the region just might…..I suppose you would not mind if the Soviet Union built a base in Kansas…just to make sure the corn and wheat supplies are safe since they depend on their export..?? Or maybe the Russkies just want to look for any hidden weapons of mass delusion…? As far as that ViceRoy’s palace/fortress called the new U.S. Embassy in BADdag, it will just be a bigger target for all the people the U.S. presence pisses off…maybe you should get a job there, as a Propaganda Clerk.
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmthis could be a huge winner for democrats. many have been outspoken about this issue and openly opposed building bases for a long time. kerry tried to make this an issue, but the corporate media was in the tank for bush, so it didn’t get noticed. but the fact is that the american people did not sign up for that. democrats in congress should really see how many republicans they can peel away from supporting bush over this particular issue. they should gut blackwater by revoking the pentagon’s ability to place private contractors into conflict areas. and they should also speak out much more loudly in terms of stopping an ongoing crime by the bush administration. make the republicans in congress listen to the extensive list of bush crimes on teevee and force them to either impeach the bastard or go down to 1600 Pennsylvania and ask him to step aside. my surmise is that the people are ready to hear the truth and want bush impeached rather badly, because his basic criminality is so glaringly apparent.
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmWe have to keep calling this thing what it really is:
OCCUPATION.
Don’t call it a war, because it never was a war. It was and is and always will be
OCCUPATION.
Don’t let the neocons turn it into a noble mission about Democracy and honorable measures. It’s never been anything but
OCCUPATION.
OCCUPATION.
OCCUPATION.
June 3rd, 2007 at 7:56 pmNever mind, as Bill Scher notes, that the Iraq spending bill that President Bush just signed includes the following provision:
None of the funds … shall be obligated or expended …
(1) To establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing for the permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq.
Well yeah. That isn’t worth noting.
You’re quoting a an Act that says bases cannot be established for that purpose and a report that doesn’t suggest they need to be.
It refers to 3 or 4 bases being needed then names what existing bases these would be. What is hard to understand about that ?
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:02 pmAnyone else watching the Democratic “Debate” on CNN. I thought it was supposed to be on Fox? I’m really getting pissed at Wolf Blitzer.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:03 pmLarry from C sez:
I am…Kucinich just called the U.S. presence in Iraq an occupation.
Kucinich is the only candidate, Democratic or otherwise, that’s worth a damn.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:08 pmGO BLITZER!
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:08 pmQuiet, Shakey. The adults are having a conversation.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:10 pmI think everyone here should vote for Kucinich.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:13 pmFor the record, I’m more of an adult than all of you put together. Aliied Forces “occupied” Germany during WWII as well. MacArthur “occupied” Japan after WWII as well. You idiots keep spouting off though.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:15 pmI have no problem with permanent bases. What’s next, we have to shut down every foreign embassy we have?
Comment by Jake
Jake, you need to take your head out of your rear end so we can hear you clearer. What did you say?
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:17 pmThis is the only answer :
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/053107F.shtml
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:17 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List” is having a problem understanding the words “no problem”, “permanent bases”, “what’s next”, “shut down” or “every foreign embassy” let me know.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:20 pmIf anyone NOT on the “Ignore List†is having a problem understanding the words “no problemâ€, “permanent basesâ€, “what’s nextâ€, “shut down†or “every foreign embassy†let me know.
Comment by Jake
Jake, if you ever have one, single solitary coherent comment on TP, I’ll be the first to congratulate you.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:24 pmnow… if jimbo dude read this correctly
COMMANDER IN CHIER, AT THIS MATTER A TOTALLY CORRUPTED
DICTATOR WHO IS THE ULTIMATE DECIDER WHO POUNDS HIS
CHEST WITH HIS FISTS
HAS NO PLANS FOR WHO AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE PAYED FOR DUDE
Right….. who’s going to … you friggin political LEECH, all your friggin arm
twisting wheeling/dealing crony’s during the WEE WEE hours in the morning
when you and dracula decide to hold a RIGGED vote open while all the whhelin and dealin going ont?
Friggin idiot… that’s exactly how Bush gets RICH, sucking off everybody
else so his friggin crony’s get rich rich rich AND WE GET POOR POOR POOR
Friggin worst president EVER along with his gang of hoodlum criminals
from the 109th and all the rest of his parasites infesting all the rest of
the wonderful government services that we are suppose to get
Bush makes sure we cannot get those services by riggin the system and
scr**wing us… can’t drink the water, even national land being sold off to his friggin crony’s… forget about clean air with his voluntary compliance, and mecury and corporate crony’s
WORST FRIGGIN POLITICAL LEECH EVER IF YOU CAN EVEN CALL FRIGGIN
BUSH A FRIGGIN ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY, WISE ELDER FAITHEFUL SERVANT..
HE’S FRIGGIN SO FRIGGIN CORRUPTED, BOUGHT OUT, SHIFTY EYED FAST
SMOOTH TALKING SHISTER IT’S ENOUGH TO FRIGGIN PUKE DUDE, BARF
THIS FRIGGIN TOTALLY CORRUPTED PARASITE GIVING US THE GREASEPITS
OUT OF HIS PALACE, FRIGGIN IMPEACH THE FRIGGIN THING AND THROUGH
THE IN THE FRIGGIN SLAMMER DUDE….
WORK FROM THE HIGHEST CLASS HOUSE OF THE LAND, INCLUDE ALL THE CROOKS CREW MENTIONS, WORK DOWN FROM THE SENATE, CONGRESS,
AND ROUND UP EVERY FRIGGIN K STREET CRIMINAL AND FRIGGIN THROW THEM IN THE IRAQ TORTURE SYSTEM DUDE FOR THE REAL CRIMINALS…
THEY’RE FRIGGIN WAR LORD CRIMINALS DUDE, TOTALLY CORRUPTED AND ENOUGH TO FRIGGIN PUKE DUDE
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:26 pmI can’t figure out why you don’t understand that we are the boss and what we say goes. We can “occupy” whoever we want, why ever we want. Don’t you get that? It’s our job.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:27 pmOT – For the record. I swear I heard them saying on the Lou Dobbs pre-debate “show” that the top-tier Dems would not be there. Obviously I was wrong and I regret the error.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 pmOnce again, President Bush confirmed he is no reader of the history books. Just days after a scathing report from the Senate Intelligence Committee detailed how the Bush administration ignored the CIA’s dire warnings of sectarian strife and civil war in post-Saddam Iraq, the White House pointed to South Korea as a model for the American military presence in Iraq.
The prospect of a multi-generational commitment of U.S. forces to support the government in Baghdad not only raised the specter of an American war without end in Iraq. The deliberate resort to dangerously false historical analogies showed a Bush administration unwilling – or unable – to understand the nature of the conflict in faces there.
For the analyis, see:
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 pm“Misreading History: Bush, Korea and Endless War in Iraq.”
Jake – does that mean you have no problem with China putting a permament military base right outside Los Angeles, to make sure that their imports can get into the United States?
Isn’t that what the British East India Trading Company did some centuries ago in Hong Kong, to make sure their opium imports from India were allowed into China?
The best thing to do would be to shut down all the permanent military bases, keep the foreign embassies open, and rely on diplomacy of the non-gunboat nature to keep things peaceful.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:29 pm“no problemâ€, “permanent basesâ€, “what’s nextâ€, “shut down†or “every foreign embassy†let me know.
Comment by Jake — June 3, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
So you’d be okay with China, who gives us our billion dollars in allowance, coming here, knocking off Bush because they think he’s a threat to world peace (which he is), but to gain international support, they made up a bunch of stuff to make it even more sellable, and then setting up permanent palaces in, oh let’s say, for fun, YOUR neighborhood (the imminent domani will really be a b!tch when the Forbidden City American makes you homeless)….?
You’d be okay with that?
Because it’s NO different that what we did to Iraq.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:29 pmJake has a problem realizing that
NO ONE values his tripe. Oh, I’m sorry, “comments.”
No one.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:29 pm“If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country I never would lay down my arms,–never! never! never”!
Lord Chatham to Parliament in 1777
Were I an Iraqi, as I am an American, I’d feel the same about U.S. troops on my soil.
Congressional democrats, the Joint Chiefs, all Americans with any self respect for themselves must surely understand that bedrock sentiment. Has our common sense decayed to the point where we no longer recognize even the best in ourselves? Or lack the simple common sense to acknowledge it in others? Do we lack the courage to confront in uncompromising fashion those who declare otherwise?
There was once a time when I was naive enough to answer those questions. But not today.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:32 pmHey, we need permanent bases all over the world if we are going to be safe.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:34 pmI can’t figure out why you don’t understand that we are the boss and what we say goes. We can “occupy†whoever we want, why ever we want. Don’t you get that? It’s our job.
Comment by Jake
OK, wait a minute.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:35 pmIf we believe Jake-off is 75, that would mean he was born during the depression.
That is not the mentality he was exposed to.
He sounds an awful lot like someone born during the Reagan years.
Wayne:
Hillary, Barack, and John Edwards are scared of FOX News, not CNN.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:35 pmDUDE… I’M CALLING THIS A COMPLETE CESSPOOL OF POLITICAL
LEECHES, CONSISTING OF POLITICAL LEECHES, RATS, LIZZARDS,
ROACHES, TICKS, MAGGOTS, AND COMPLETE SCUMBAGS
WHO LEECH FROM SUCK SO WE GET POOR POOR POOR… IN A
MINIPULATIVE FAST SMOOTH TALKING SHIFTY EYED SWINDLERS
WHO WINE/DINE AND TOTALLY INFEST SOCIETY
SO THEIR FRIGGIN CRONY’S GET RICH RICH RICH
OH AND ALL OUR WONDERFUL SERVICES… LETS JUST BEGIN WITH THE
FRIGGIN CONSTITUTION DUDE.
A FRIGGIN GOD D*** PIECE OF PAPER, OUT OF DATE 1776, YET ALL THESE
HOODLUMS BABBLE ALL ABOUT THE FRIGGIN CONSTIUTITON WHEN THEY
FRIGGIN GET CAUGHT STASHING $100,000 IN THEIR FRIGGIN FREEZER
DUDE.
I STAND STRONG DUDE – -
WE GET THE FRIGGIN GREASE PITS FROM THESE HOODLUMS DUDE
AND THEY ARE NOTHING ELSE THAN A BUNCH OF POLITICAL PARASITES DUDE, FRIGGIN A CESSPOOL OF COMPLETE POLITICAL TRASH
COOKIN BOOKS DUDE, THROWING OUT GOD DAM PIECES OF PAPER, CAN’T EVEN FRIGGIN FOLLOW THE LAWS THEMSELVES DUDE…
DUDE CONGRESS IS NOT WHEELING AND DEALING WITH PREZ/VICE TO RIGGED DRACULA ARM TWISTING
WHAT A FRIGGIN CROCK… WHAT A COMPLETE CRINIMAL ENTERPRISE
ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERY FRIGGIN PUKE AND BARF THEM … BUT DUDE YOU CAN’T CAUSE THEY FRIGGIN
RIGGED THAT TOO DUDE
OH YEAH, THEY ARE SERVING THE PEOPLE ALL RIGHT
FRIGGIN IDIOT
THROW EVERY FRIGGIN ONE OF THEM IN THE FRIGGIN SLAMMER
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:36 pmI heard a female comic say that you can’t have a global economy and then go around pissing off the rest of the globe. Regardless of the mindsets of the people involved fifty, sixty, a hundred years ago, we simply cannot view the stationing of our military forces on another country’s soil against their will the same way we used to. For one thing, years ago we did not have the near-instant global communications systems we take for granted today. The best and sometimes only way to know what was happening in another country was to have people stationed there trying to find out. In some circumstances today it still may be, but it’s not the only way available. Since so much of the global economy is done through international communication lines and satellites, it is harder than it used to be to move money around the world illegally. It still gets done, but it’s harder than it used to be. And since virtually nothing can get done without the use of money somewhere, it means that suspicious activity can be investigated without the need for anyone’s military forces near by.
But if the “host” country really doesn’t want you there, then you shouldn’t build big honking permanent bases in their country. Fear and ignorance cannot be the backbone of a nation’s foreign policy. If we’re going to keep treating them like our enemy, then how can we expect to ever earn their trust?
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:37 pmOff topic, but TP, can you hitch up to this?
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:39 pmhttp://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1627427,00.html
Karl Rove implicated:
A longtime Republican lawyer in Alabama swears she heard a top G.O.P. operative in the state say that Rove “had spoken with the Department of Justice” about “pursuing” Siegelman, with help from two of Alabama’s U.S. attorneys.
President Bush, “I don’t need no stinkin paper to tell me whats right for the American oil company’s, err, I mean the American People!
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:42 pmThat was the fake “Jake” @ 8:27 pm.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:42 pmHillary, Barack, and John Edwards are scared of FOX News, not CNN.
Actually, they know foxnews is right-wing PROPAGANDA…
CNN is a foxnews wannabe these days…
For the RECORD!!!
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:42 pmComment by trueblue — June 3, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Shakey’s lies concerning his ficticious Korean War service are well documented. He’s a pathological liar, and there’s no point in giving credence to any of his posts.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:43 pmA longtime Republican lawyer in Alabama swears she heard a top G.O.P. operative in the state say that Rove “had spoken with the Department of Justice†about “pursuing†Siegelman, with help from two of Alabama’s U.S. attorneys.
Comment by RUCerious
Unfortunately, that would just be hearsay. Let’s get something irrefutable and truly damning on KKKarl.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:43 pmComment by trueblue — June 3, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Shakey’s pernicious lies concerning his fictitious Korean War service are well documented. He’s a pathological liar, and there’s no reason to give credence to any of his posts.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:45 pm#55, I also heard that on the radio today (AA I think) and it is time to subpoena Karl Rove.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:45 pmHe needs to come to the Senate, under oath, before the judiciary committee.
Hillary, Barack, and John Edwards are scared of FOX News, not CNN.
Comment by Jake
Nonsense, Jake. They’re just intelligent enough to understand there’s no point in wasting good time on Faux when Faux has no intention whatsoever of being a REAL news network. Merely propaganda for BuschCo, period.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:46 pmFor the record, I’m more of an adult than all of you put together.
Comment by Jake
Then stop acting like a spoiled, selfish small child. And for the record, we don’t need your advice on who to vote for.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:46 pmNOW JIMBO DUDE ALWAYS SPEAKS THE TRUTH IN ROCK SOLID
INTEGRITY DUDE
AND I STAND STRONG
WE GET A+ SERVICE FROM FRIGGIN MCDONALD’S
AND THE FRIGGIN GREASE PITS HEADED FOR THE DUMP
FROM THIS TOTALLY CORRUPTED DECIDER OR MORE LIKE
SWINDLER, TOTALLY CORRUPTED THE DEPT OF JUSTICE, FRIGGIN
TOTALLY CORRUPTED CONGRESS/SENATE, TOTALLY CORRUPTED
FRIGGIN DEPT OF DEFENSE DUDE.
COMPLETELY FRIGGIN CORRUPTED THE FRIGGIN CONSTITUION DUDE
AS A GOD D**N PIECE OF PAPER, OUT OF DATE AND OBSOLETE
AND YOUR GOING TO TRUST A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE OF A COMPLETE
CORRUPTED CESSPOOL OF FAST SMOOTH SHISTY SHIFTY EYED DRACULA
VOTING?
IT’S SO FRIGGIN DISGUSTING DUDE.. IT’S ENOUGH TO THROW FRIGGIN
ALL OF THEM IN THE FRIGGIN SLAMMER DUDE
AND ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS REFER TO CREW
FRIGGIN IDIOT HOODLUMS DUDE
IF THEY FRIGGIN ACTED AS GOD APPOINTED FAITHFULLY CARESSED WISE
ELDER SERVANTS TO SERVE THE PEOPLE AS INTENDED OKAY..
INSTEAD STATES A GOD DAM PIECE OF PAPER SS A BUNCH OF EMPTY IOUS
AND YOUR GOING TO TRUST THESE WHEELIN DEALIN FAST SMOOTH
SMOOZER AND SCRATCHING BUDDIES TO FRIGGIN ANYTHING
THROW
EACH
AND
EVERYONE
OF THEM
IN
THE
FRIGGIN
SLAMMER DUDE AND THROW AWAY THE KEY FOREVER DUDE
JIMBO DUDE ONLY SPEAKS ROCK SOLID TRUTH DUDE
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:48 pmI can’t figure out why you don’t understand that we are the boss and what we say goes. We can “occupy†whoever we want, why ever we want. Don’t you get that? It’s our job.
Comment by Jake
So what your saying is it’s the job of the US to create more angry nationals and thereby create more terrorists to follow us home setting up the Bush Fascist State.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:50 pmThe GOAL from the OUTSET was to create a QUAGMIRE to necessitate an OCCUPATION on behalf of ISRAEL…
FOREVER.
If you are just figuring this out, you are part of the problem.
It’s time to make up for lost time, and become part of the SOLUTION.
TODAY.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:50 pmrepublic, yeah, it would be hearsay, but it looks like she has something here, it continues…
“In an interview with TIME, Simpson confirmed that the “Karl” cited in her sworn statement was Karl Rove. “There’s absolutely no question it was Karl Rove, no doubt whatsoever,” she said. She also said she has phone records to back up the date and duration of her phone calls. “
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:51 pmWithout delving into Jake’s career, I would like to annouce that in his most recent brain scan, they found nothing.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:51 pmhttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2630742
JUSTICE DEPT. REFUSES TO PROSECUTE TERRORISTS
WASHINGTON Nov 5, 2006 (AP)— The Justice Department increasingly has refused to prosecute FBI cases targeting suspected terrorists over the past five years, according to private researchers who reviewed department records.
The government says the findings are inaccurate and “intellectually dishonest.”
The report being released Monday by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University raises questions about the quality of the FBI’s investigations.
Prosecutors declined to bring charges in 131 of 150, or 87 percent, of international terrorist case referrals from the FBI between October 2005 and June 2006, according to the report. The study was based on the most recent data available from the Justice Department’s executive office for U.S. attorneys.
The data “raise troubling questions about the bureau’s investigation of criminal matters involving individuals the government has identified as international terrorists,” the report said.
A Justice Department spokesman disputed the data highlighted by the Syracuse researchers, noting that terrorist hoax cases that were quickly dismissed may have been included in the government data.
the reason that the justice department is not prosecuting terrorists is that they are ON OUR PAYROLL.
Google FALSE FLAG
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmrepublic,
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmThere has to be a ton of shit to dig up on the pig, I’d just give anything to see him sweating in front of a panel of folks who know how to ferret out lies and deception.
He’d perjur himself in a heartbeat.
Hillary, Barack, and John Edwards are scared of FOX News, not CNN.
Comment by Jake
Nobody is scared of that idiot news channel. But only neocons watch Faux News and they’re not voting for a Democrat anyway. And most of us wouldn’t watch it on Fox anyway so why should they waste their time.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:54 pmWhich is worse:
The lies and treason committed to begin the invasion/massacre…..
thekilling of hundreds of thousands…..
The continued LIES about occupying and stealing the oil…..
The robbing of our treasury to get us here….
Or the fact we have one crazy loon supposedly leading our country..
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:54 pmrepublic,
There has to be a ton of shit to dig up on the pig, I’d just give anything to see him sweating in front of a panel of folks who know how to ferret out lies and deception.
He’d perjur himself in a heartbeat.
Comment by RUCerious
I’m totally w/ you on this one. I just want the evidence to be so solid that KKKarl can’t possibly squeal his way out of this one. I SOOO want to see KKKarl behindbars, uopefully w/ “Bruno the Booty Bandit” as his cellie for 5 or 7 or 9 years.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:58 pmScared of FAUX News? LOL! Hardly! Fox News is NOT News they don’t have ONE SHRED of credibility. No candidate in their right mind would show up at that ridiculous excuse for News. Not even you ReTHUGS will show up because everyone but you neocon nutcases knows this.
June 3rd, 2007 at 8:58 pmCNN doesn’t have any credibility either if you ask me but even they are better than that joke of a news outlet Faux news.
#67, Comment by ace — June 3, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
Spot on, Ace!
#68, Comment by RUCerious — June 3, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:00 pmCould that be enough to nail Rove?
Jane, only if they could find out and document his involvement in ordering the prosecution of the ex-Gov. Sounds promising, but there’s so much stink around the pig, who knows?
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:03 pmCould that be enough to nail Rove?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
It might be. Maybe the Dems can have hearings for the next 18 months, and then let them all go.
It’s like nailing jello to a wall…..
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:06 pmComment by aravella #4
aravella,
…I don’t normally trust links…
…but for some reason I decided to go to the live chat…
…THANK YOU!
…I loved it…
…see you all during the Repulsivescum debate…
…Obama really was great…
…but so were Edwards, Kucinich, Gravel, Biden, Richardson…
…and…
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:09 pmKKKarl is a very well geased and slippery pig, he studied well the errors of the Nixon/Ford/Reagan regimes, and he believes he has kept the shlt from sticking to him.
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:10 pmThere will be many of his pawns to fall around him, it remains to be seen if there exists enough incontrovertible proof of his manipulations to put him down.
It’s like nailing jello to a wall…..
Comment by Mistress Z — June 3, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
(Said so much more eloquently than I can ever hope to!)
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:12 pmRove is their golden boy. They will do EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER to prevent the need for him to testify under oath.
He IS a TERRORIST.
They will launch another 9/11 against America before they will allow Rove to testify. They will use it to declare Martial Law.
If you don’t know what Cheney was in charge of on 9/11, ask Norm Mineta – or better yet, find his 9/11 Commission testimony.
Cheney allowed 9/11 to happen – he ran the interference.
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:24 pmI just did some reading over on CNN.com.
It seems like John Edwards was on fire this evening, confronting Clinton and Obama on their quiet lead up to the recent vote on the Iraq spending bill.
Eric Alterman was arrested behind the scenes and charged with trespassing — should be an interesting read on his blog.
Clinton said when she’s in the WH she’ll use her “dear husband” as a roving ambassador.
Gravel said Bill Clinton would be a good ambassador in the ME, and he could take his wife with him, since she’ll still be in the Senate.
Ouch!!
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:32 pm#81 – heyzeus
**blush**
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:32 pmBig papa, I enjoyed the debate tonight, too, although I missed some of the second half. For the most part, I thought that they all did pretty well. I liked some of the answers to the questions about mandatory service, also Richardson’s (I think) idea about giving veterans a sort of ‘Gold Card’ so that they could get their healthcare coverage anywhere in the country.
I wish that they would give a little more time to the ’second tier’ candidates. The big guns got time to go into detail about, for instance, how they would revamp and pay for a national healthcare system, but I would like to have heard from both Kucinich and Gravel on the same subject, as well as others. When these candidates don’t get to answer in more detail about specific subjects, it sort of frames them more as crazy far-left candidates with no substance. It’s sad that most voters would not bother to check ALL of the candidates’ websites to get more information.
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:33 pmGravel is gravel, no matter how anyone wants to pronounce it…..
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:37 pm**blush**
Comment by Mistress Z
***quiver***
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:39 pm#81 – heyzeus
**blush**
Comment by Mistress Z
Oy!
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:46 pmOy!
Comment by Juan C
(backing carefully towards the door, give me three steps, give me three steps senor….;)
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:50 pmhttp://rawstory.com/news/2007/Arkansas_GOP_head_We_need_more_0603.html
Hail to the king? How unAmerican these people are…
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:52 pmOy!
Comment by Juan C
Hi, Juan.
So much power in one word….impressive. :D
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:55 pmKKKarl is a very well geased and slippery pig, he studied well the errors of the Nixon/Ford/Reagan regimes, and he believes he has kept the shlt from sticking to him.
There will be many of his pawns to fall around him, it remains to be seen if there exists enough incontrovertible proof of his manipulations to put him down.
Comment by heyzeus
No F*#king shit…
But we can hope, can’t we?
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:56 pmMaybe Milligan (Arkansas Gop head) has been dipping into his water treatment chemicals to often.
June 3rd, 2007 at 9:57 pmKind of reminds me of Tom DeLay and his pesticides……
Hail to the king? How unAmerican these people are…
Comment by Gerald Gibson
What a stunningly stupid creep.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:00 pmSo much power in one word….impressive. :D
Comment by Mistress Z
Sorry to bump in, Z and Heyzeus. It is an acquired tradition, I guess. :)
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:01 pmHIGHEST CLASS HOUSE IN THE NATION =
CONSTITUTION IS A OBSOLETE GOD DAM PIECE OF PAPER AND
THUMPING FISTS ON CHEST LIKE A APE
I’M THE FRIGGIN DECIDER
I’M THE FRIGGIN DECIDER
CONGRESS IS MINE TO RIG AND GET DRACULA IN DURING A TOTALLY
RIGGED WHEELIN AND DEALIN VOTE AT THE WEE WEE HOURS OF
THE MORNING
I SCRATCH YOU
AND YOU SCRATCH ME
SO WE CAN SMOOZE ON MY PRIVATE ISLAND YACHT
EVEN THE FRIGGIN ALMIGHTY ROCK SOLID OF ULTIMATE TRUTH – -
GONZALES – -
SHIFTY EYED FAST SMOOTH TALKING DEPT OF JUSTIC
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DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION
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DEPARTMENT = EPA
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FDA
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THERE’S SO MANY FRIGGIN DEPARTMENT
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ALL FRIGGIN CORRUPTED DUDE
WASHINGTON IS TOTALLY BOUGHT OUT
FRIGGIN DUDE
AND ALL THESE WONDERFUL SERVICES WE ALL DESPERATELY NEED
DUDE
= FRIGGIN GREASE PITS GETTIN LOADED UP
FOR THE FRIGGIN DUMPSTER DUDE
BASICALLY WHAT WE GET
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AND WHAT KIND OF SERVICES DO WE GET FROM SWINDLERS
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BASICALLY GREASE PITS SPILLED
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ENOUGH TO PUKE AND BARF THESE SWINDLERS OUT DUDE
OH YEAH, JUST A GOD DAM OBSOLETE PIECE OF PAPER
FRIGGIN IDIOTS DUDE
NOW JIMBO DUDE IS ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY DUDE
AND ALWAYS SPEAKS THE TRUTH DUDE
HOODLUMS I SAY DUDE, SHIFTY EYED SWINDLERS DUDE
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:04 pmIn his first interview as the chairman of the Arkansas Republican Party, Dennis Milligan told a reporter that America needs to be attacked by terrorists so that people will appreciate the work that President Bush has done to protect the country.
“At the end of the day, I believe fully the president is doing the right thing, and I think all we need is some attacks on American soil like we had on [Sept. 11, 2001],” Milligan said to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, “and the naysayers will come around very quickly to appreciate not only the commitment for President Bush, but the sacrifice that has been made by men and women to protect this country.”
They’re more likely to appreciate just how F*#king insane you are, Mr. Milligan.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:05 pmLooks like he had his shirt made from an old, faded out tablecloth from the Backwater Cafe.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:05 pmHola, Juan C!
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:06 pmThe more, the merrier!
I saw your posting at blue state, big papa. A lot of people there thought Edwards did best.
I think Edwards did well, but I favor Obama, and yet, I have to admit that Clinton did pretty well tonight. No matter who wins the nod, I think each one of them is an asset and should be used to their potential in a future democratic white house.
Jane, you make a good point about the “second tier” candidates and that we still don’t learn a lot about them during these debates with so many candidates. Yet, it would be difficult to separate them out in debates of a more limited number of candidates. I like Kucinich, but I don’t think he can win; same with Biden and Dodd.
Richardson has an impressive resume` but he doesn’t come across well to me. Gravel is intelligent and blunt — but no president.
So I am still with the top three.
Pity the Repugs who have a slate of monkeys from which to choose. We are choosing between qualified and more qualified — they are choosing between loser and bigger loser.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:06 pmSorry to bump in, Z and Heyzeus. It is an acquired tradition, I guess. :)
Comment by Juan C
Too funny.
Good weekend?
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:06 pmHola, Juan C!
The more, the merrier!
Comment by heyzeus
Cool off, bud. :P
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:10 pmJake, I just wanted to point out our occupation of Germany and Japan were declared wars…Congress didn’t declare war on Iraq…IT IS AN OCCUPATION>
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:11 pmSo now they finally mention the bases.
Wolfowitz mentioned the bases 3-4 years ago. He said that if anything, this war was worth it to get our bases into Iraq.
Why is there never a detailed conversation about anything, including the bases? The dems are just as bad as Bush. While Bush uses vagueness and emotional tags like “freedom-loving” and so on, the dems respond with equal vagueness. Vagueness about why we’re there, vagueness on when we’re pulling out. And no mention of bases. Yet the bases are there. No mention of a huge embassy. No mention of the money. No mention of a half a million contract to the mercenaries. (I thought the war funding was for “the boys” on the ground. Where did this money come from?)
No one asks, how will we win this war this year? And if the answer is we won’t, then why are we there? What specifically are we gaining? If the stock answer comes back about preventing a slide into civil war, the response should be that this war is much more complicated than just being a civil war. There are militias and there is corruption and there is religious fanaticism, and none of that is going to go away if we stay. So again the follow up question is, why are we there? Where is the money going? Force the bastards to answer.
But the media never does, and none of the candidates want to say jack.
Usually the way it goes, there’s a softball question, a senator responds, and the newscaster smiles and moves on to the next question. No accountability. There should be a tough follow up question, about specifics, and when he (any congressman just fill in the blank) squirms and avoids it or raises his eyebrows in that fake “I honestly don’t know” way, then ask, ok who DOES know and can I book them for the show next Sunday.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:11 pmHola, Juan C!
The more, the merrier!
Comment by heyzeus
hehehehe. You know…Im shy. :)
Nice reading you.
Good weekend?
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:17 pmComment by Mistress Z
Just got back from the beach. Havent seen the sea since a while ago. I know Im going to die near the sea…what a powerful, quite place.
CESSPOOL
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CORRUPTION
DUDE
LEECHES
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TICKS
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RATS
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ROCK
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June 3rd, 2007 at 10:18 pmPITS
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Samantha…you are so spot on.
Until the US economy is not based in war companies, Dems and Reps will, IMO, support wars…in some way or other.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:19 pmNo surprise here. When I was at Balad in 2003, they were discussing its status as an “enduring base.” In fact, designating Balad, Tallill and Al Asad as Enduring Bases was one of the key decisions of Fall 2003. No one was paying attention, but if you could get a FOIA through, you’d find plenty of briefings, PowerPoints, and e-mail discussing precisely this contingency.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:20 pmJust got back from the beach. Havent seen the sea since a while ago. I know Im going to die near the sea…what a powerful, quite place.
Comment by Juan C
Nice. I miss the ocean. I hope you took some pictures!
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:21 pmCONSTITUTION
JUST
A
GOD
DAM
OBSOLETE
PIECE
OF
PAPER
SHIFTY
EYED
DO
WHAT
I
SAY
I
AM
THE
RULER
RIGGED
ALMIGHTY
JUSTICE
RIGGED
FRIGGIN
EVERYTHING
CORRUPTION
DUDE
FRIGGIN
CORRUPTION
JIMBO DUDE ALWAYS SPEAKS TRUTH WITH ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY
DUDE
AND YOUR GOING TO TRUST THESE BIRDS TO ANOTHER TRILLION
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:29 pmIN FRIGGIN DEBT
thanks, Juan C, I just got back from a week in the Colorado mountains, at around 10,000 feet elevation. Snow, bears, trout and hummingbirds….
(Apologies for getting carried away, Mistress Z)
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:32 pm(Apologies for getting carried away, Mistress Z)
Comment by heyzeus
It’s all in good fun, heyzeus. :)
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:37 pmTher is only one way to stop Cheney/Bush
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:38 pmBrzezinski: “Iraq Is Not Korea”
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:41 pmhttp://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/3029/Brzezinski_Iraq_Is_Not_Korea
Brzezinski objects to the validity of using a Korean analogy as a possible way forward in Iraq. US presence has engendered stability on the Korean peninsula because “the South Koreans welcomed us,”
(Apologies for getting carried away, Mistress Z)
Comment by heyzeus
It’s all in good fun, heyzeus. :)
Comment by Mistress Z
Jeeze. Get a room.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:42 pmHey, come on, don’t bellittle Jake! He gave up his neurons for country. NASA is forever indebted for his sacrifice. His rocket-sled is being reconstructed even as we blog. The granite barrier has, however been horrifically destroyed. Schoolchildren will have the honor of selecting a shoal or sandbar where the residue will be deposited.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:46 pmWasting away again in “Mortaritaville” (Balad)
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:54 pmTher is only one way to stop Cheney/Bush
Comment by HMGreen
I presume you are referrring to impeachment here, aren’t you?
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:55 pmThe only long term mission for Iraq is the guarding of the OIL fields and pipelines to benefit the Petroleum Cartel CEOS to make more profits. If you want your loved one in the military to die for that, then back Bush, otherwise object now.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:58 pmJeeze. Get a room.
Comment by gummitch
Touchy……
Those worms didn’t settle well…? :-D
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:59 pm“At the end of the day, I believe fully the president is doing the right thing, and I think all we need is some attacks on American soil like we had on [Sept. 11, 2001],†Milligan said to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, “and the naysayers will come around very quickly…”
The evil essence of PNAC. (Shudder)
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:59 pmI presume you are referring to impeachment here, aren’t you?
Comment by the republic of stupidity
Either that, or come to an arrangement with the Go’auld before they sign up Cheney. He’s creepy enough without the double voice thing.
Hey, sorry. It’s Sunday night.
June 3rd, 2007 at 10:59 pmBoom Shaka Laka Boom!
lefts got the brains
rights got the shames
lefts got the sexy girls
they win the game
Jakes in the basement
going insane!
Boom Shaka Laka..
BOOM!
After all what Miss America winner hasn’t wanted world peace?
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:01 pmI hope you took some pictures!
Comment by Mistress Z
Hehehe. No. It was a two day trip.
Heyzeus: that one must have been a nice trip. Someday I will go there.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:06 pmFOR
ALL
THE
WONDERFUL
SERVICES
WE
ALL
DESPERATELY
NEED
WE
GET
THE
FRIGGIN
CONSTITUITON
IS
A
FRIGGIN
OBSOLETE
GOD
DAM
PIECE
OF
PAPER
WE
GET
FRIGGIN
GREASE
PITS
SPILLED
AT
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FRIGGIN
DUMP
TOTALLY
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:08 pmFRIGGIN
CORRUPT
DUDE
FRIGGIN
CORRUPT
Yes, Gummitch, we are going to be friends–Stargate fan, eh?
Wayne sez: Now that Scooter’s in the klink, who’s Cheney’s First Prime now?
Samantha, well said!
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:09 pmLeft Coast Mike:
The AUMF is the legal equivalent of a declaration of war.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:11 pmTouchy……
Those worms didn’t settle well…? :-D
Comment by Mistress Z
All I could find were tapeworms. Urp.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:15 pmThe AUMF is the legal equivalent of a declaration of war.
Comment by Jake
Ya know what confuses me about the GOP stance Jake? I spose not, ennywhoo, it is because they call this freedom operation a war when it has never been declared a war. One minute they hop on the purple fingered bus of democracy the next they hop off at war on Islamofascism. Bush penned the words “Let Freedom Reign” Condo called Iraq Sovereign.
Which is it Jake? Freedom, which invokes peace or War, which it has not been declared?
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:18 pmJust found this gem on AmericaBlog
Three months after the start of the Baghdad security plan that has added thousands of American and Iraqi troops to the capital, they control fewer than one-third of the city’s neighborhoods, far short of the initial goal for the operation, according to some commanders and an internal military assessment….
The operation “is at a difficult point right now, to be sure,†said Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks, the deputy commander of the First Cavalry Division, which has responsibility for Baghdad.
In an interview, he said that while military planners had expected to make greater gains by now, that has not been possible in large part because Iraqi police and army units, which were expected to handle basic security tasks, like manning checkpoints and conducting patrols, have not provided all the forces promised, and in some cases have performed poorly….
When planners devised the Baghdad security plan late last year, they had assumed most Baghdad neighborhoods would be under control around July, according to a senior American military officer, so the emphasis could shift into restoring services and rebuilding the neighborhoods as the summer progressed.
Petraeus is a weakling lackey, who offers his troops up for the slaughter in this civil war occupation.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:19 pmOh, um, well the last sentence was mine, not from AmericaBlog…
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:22 pmThe AUMF is the legal equivalent of a declaration of war.
Comment by Jake
No, Jake, it is not. The AUMF was an Authorization for the Use of Military Force, not a declaration of war. It is an important distinction because once the Congress declares war, certain constitutional provisions kick in. Absent that official formal declaration of war, those provisions do not.
And since the Congress is constitutionally empowered to declare war and those situations in which military force may be used, they also have the power to end it on their terms. People need to understand that under our constitutional system of government, the Congress decides how everything gets done, not the president.
I welcome anyone trained in constitutional law to correct me if I’m wrong. (Bris?)
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:24 pmAll I could find were tapeworms. Urp.
Comment by gummitch
Oy…..sorry. Do you think they like beer? :)
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:25 pmWayne, one slight correction, the congress declares war and funds it, but once the commander guy gets authorization to use force, the congress would have to rescind said authorization, or withhold funding. I think.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:27 pmAll I could find were tapeworms. Urp.
Comment by gummitch
Hehe – all I can think of is Cliffy from Cheers talking about when he had a tapeworm for his science project. The joke is that he physically had a tapeworm and missed the science fair. “Me and parasites, don’t get me stahted!”
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:30 pmAhmadinejad is now threatening Israel:
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSBLA32653020070603?feedType=RSS&rpc=22
TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iran’s president said on Sunday the Lebanese and the Palestinians had pressed a “countdown button” to bring an end to Israel.
“With God’s help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine,” Ahmadinejad said in a speech.
“By God’s will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future,” he said. He did not elaborate.
We must destroy these Islamic radicals for the sake of the world’s survival.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:33 pmI hate to sounds like a campaigner, but the only person that would shut the whole show down in Iraq, pull troops out, end permanent bases, everything, is Ron Paul.
Democrats want to talk about redeployment? To where? Kuwait and Qatar? Why? Bring them home.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:40 pmAll I could find were tapeworms. Urp.
Comment by gummitch
Oy…..sorry. Do you think they like beer? :)
Comment by Mistress Z
See, that’s where I screwed up. Been feeding them Côtes du Rhône. I shoulda known better.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:43 pmYeah! Yeah! As if anyone, ever believed that the US never intended to stay in Iraq forever…
I am surprised that anyone would believe a word that comes out of the mouths of Bush, Cheney, or their political lackeys…
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:43 pmAlejandro, go back and listen to Dennis Kucinich. Ron Paul’s not the only one, just the only Republican. I respect his libertarian views, and, during the Republican debate, I wished they had let him speak more. Unfortunately, die-hard neocons prefer to confuse libertarianism with liberalism.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:45 pmYes, sorry, I keep forgetting about Kucinich.
It’s so easy to do.
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:56 pmYes, sorry, I keep forgetting about Kucinich.
It’s so easy to do.
Comment by Alejandro
Well can you remember his wife? ;)
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:58 pmWell can you remember his wife? ;)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Ach, you terrible sexist pig!
Admittedly, she has a great voice, but otherwise . . . well, it’s just wrong to even notice.
June 4th, 2007 at 12:02 amSee, that’s where I screwed up. Been feeding them Côtes du Rhône. I shoulda known better.
Comment by gummitch
Unfortunately, tape worms don’t possess a discerning palate.
MD20/20 ought to do it!
June 4th, 2007 at 12:03 amWell can you remember his wife? ;)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
She’s hot!
…..in a totally heterosexual way, of course….
*clearing throat*
June 4th, 2007 at 12:04 amAch, you terrible sexist pig!
Admittedly, she has a great voice, but otherwise . . . well, it’s just wrong to even notice.
Comment by gummitch
I never claimed to be a saint. (Don’t believe in them anyway.)
Mistress Z,
Dennis may have to campaign on the slogan, “Shouldn’t we be letting her sleep in the White House?” It might be his only chance.
June 4th, 2007 at 12:15 amPARASITES
FRIGGIN
POLITICAL
TOTALLY
CORRUPTED
PARASITES
LEECHES
TICKS
RATS
LIZZARDS
SNAKES
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MAGGOTS
ROACHES
LIONS
TIGERS
SKUNKS
OPPOSUMS
WORMS
PARASITES
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AND FOR US
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SWINDLERS I SAY
June 4th, 2007 at 12:18 amFRIGGIN TOTALLY
CORRUPTED
DUDE
Dennis may have to campaign on the slogan, “Shouldn’t we be letting her sleep in the White House?†It might be his only chance.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Sadly, it would definitely be his only chance.
Great slogan! You should have your own blog! :-)
June 4th, 2007 at 12:21 amSo the PNAC got their “land-based aircraft carrier” after all. Ready to “project force” anywhere they want in the Middle East….
Cheers,
June 4th, 2007 at 2:03 am#147 is right on track.
If we, the United States, becomes the “North American Union” which in all likelihood be merely a “State” in the “New World Order,” more than the middle east would be in the target-sites from the RULER, or PANEL of RULERS of the world who would be enthroned in that Embassy. Around it, would be a triangle of bases. Earlier reporting gave the number of bases in Iraq as 14.
Our ENTIRE world could not survive were they to succeed. How it is possible for them to believe they would survive their own atrosities. In-fighting among themselves exists now. Imagine how they could select which one of them would be the “King”. They will have gone full circle from the point where civilization began to where it ends.
June 4th, 2007 at 4:49 amThe one good thing about all of this is that after we die for whatever reason none of the will matter!
June 4th, 2007 at 6:12 amWow do I wish there was an edit button here… The one good thing about all of this is that after we die none of this will matter!
June 4th, 2007 at 6:38 amHow about anyone trained in common sense ?
How’s that non-war in Iraq working out for you if you think that’s a meaningful distinction ?
Happy that as a non-war the President isn’t able to invoke war-time powers ?
Happy that as a non-war that the Democrat controlled congress is able to restrict the actions of the executive and military in accordance with there not being a war ?
No ? Then WTF is your point ?
June 4th, 2007 at 7:50 amCould be some punctuation missing from the Gulf of Tonkin resolution come to think of it. Go check that out and see if we really had a Vietnam war.
Comment by Biggergola Thanthat
If the Al Qeada types or the Iraqis that want us out get their hands on a WMD that embassy is right in their backyard… that embassy will be toast.
Even without WMDs they can rain rockets down on it day and night. The only way I can see this working out for them is if the arabs just give up… that doesnt appear to be something they would ever do.
June 4th, 2007 at 8:56 amWe’re not leaving! Imagine that!
Exactly like the “loony left” said.
June 4th, 2007 at 12:25 pmComment by ggibson
These are not military thinkers. They are civilians who think that money will win it all for them. They now “think” they are winning. The true military leaders bailed out on them long ago. The current military leaders have indicated in confidence that they won’t carry out any such orders from the admin as have been discussed.
Speculative? or not. It’s not only their “twilight zone”.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pmDon’t worry, Chimpy will ignore that law with another signing statement.
Chimpy’s whole plan is to build permanent bases and exercise US control over Iraqi oil.
That’s the real reason we invaded Iraq and still occupy it 5 years later.
Exactly!
I have only one thing to say about this lamebrained idea:
Beirut 1983.
Muslims do not want permanent American bases on their soil. That’s been their main beef with us to begin with!
June 4th, 2007 at 1:59 pm