CBS: Rep. Jefferson indicted.
CBS: Rep. Jefferson indicted.
“Sources tell CBS News that Congressman William Jefferson (D-LA) has been indicted on more than a dozen counts involving public corruption. Details soon.”
UPDATE: From the WaPo:
Federal prosecutors are seeking an indictment today against Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.) in a longstanding FBI corruption probe centering on allegations that he took bribes to promote high-tech business ventures in Africa, sources familiar with the investigation said.
Prosecutors are presenting the case to grand jurors in Alexandria today, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because no charges have yet been filed.
If filed, the indictment would cap a long and tumultuous investigation that was stalled for months because of a legal battle over the constitutionality of an FBI raid on Jefferson’s office last May. The raid came after the FBI found $90,000 in the freezer of his Capitol Hill home.
UPDATE II: “A Justice Department official familiar with the case said the indictment outlining the evidence against Jefferson is more than an inch thick and charges the congressman with crimes that could keep him in prison for up to 200 years.”
UPDATE III: According to ABC, the 16 count indictment has been returned, and “the charges include racketeering, solicitation of bribes, honest services wire fraud, money laundering, obstruction of justice, violating the foreign corrupt practices act, and conspiracy.”
UPDATE IV: Read the full indictment.
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Before you get too excited, trolls, two wrongs still don’t make a right…
June 4th, 2007 at 12:50 pmGood. Get rid of him.
June 4th, 2007 at 12:51 pmOh boy the GOPers have finally decided to counterattack the Democrats in Congress. Time to impeach Gonzales and take down Rove too.
June 4th, 2007 at 12:51 pmCue leftie defense in 3,2,1…..
June 4th, 2007 at 12:53 pmactually, not yet indicted, not till 3 pm
June 4th, 2007 at 12:53 pmthank friggin’ god. Now they can’t use him to say, “See, they all do it.”
June 4th, 2007 at 12:54 pmKick them all out… Republicans and Democrats.
They’re ALL corrupt!
June 4th, 2007 at 12:54 pmGood. All congressional criminals should be brought to justice. Where’s Tommy the Hamper?
June 4th, 2007 at 12:56 pmI called for Jefferson to resign from the Congress before the 2006 election, so go bitch at Pelosi m12 about it.
June 4th, 2007 at 12:57 pmAbout F’ing time. I’ve got no sympathy for Jefferson and I hope he rots in jail for all the cover he’s given the Rethugs over the corruption issue.
June 4th, 2007 at 12:57 pm#4 m12
Cue leftie defense in 3,2,1…..
Not from me. I don’t want any crooks in Congress, the White House, or the Supreme Court, for that matter.
June 4th, 2007 at 12:58 pmCue leftie defense in 3,2,1…..
Comment by m12 — June 4, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
I won’t defend him… it’s not about parties, it’s about integrity… we should not support our own when they do wrong…
June 4th, 2007 at 12:59 pmmaybe now they will take him off the appropriation committee.
June 4th, 2007 at 12:59 pmThis is the difference between most Dems/Progressives and Rape-Public-Cans. When an individual from side of the aisle is wrong or goes against the base we speak up vociferously while the right excuse and ignore it.
Jefferson is likely guilty and I am glad he is going to held accountable.
A-C-C-O-U-N-T-A-B-L-E go look it up Cons.
June 4th, 2007 at 12:59 pmHehehe HAHAHA what do you guys call it ? oh thats right the culture of corruption , its a shame his last name was not Clintpon
June 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pmIt is worth comparing the Democrats’ disciplining of Jefferson to the “criminalization of politics” defense the Republicans use for their lengthy list of miscreants.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWatch the Repukelicans rant and rave about this : I wouldn’t rant and rave too loudly. There are 696 days left of Chimpy’s Reign unless he’s (ch)impeached.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pmGood riddance.
Now, if Jefferson were a Republican, the Trolls would be extolling his virtue and blaming the great left-wing conspiracy.
Coming soon, a trip to rehab and the first example of the Aberto G. politicized DOJ defense.
See dumba** Republicans, this is precisely why the DOJ should be apolitical.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pm#9 Jay Randal
I called for Jefferson to resign from the Congress before the 2006 election, so go bitch at Pelosi m12 about it.
Pelosi didn’t want him around either. She requested his resignation from the Ways and Means Committee a year ago.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:01 pmMaybe he can get M!ghty Aphrod!te to defend him!
June 4th, 2007 at 1:02 pmGood. Any corrupt politician should be indicted. Now, let’s get started on Karl Rove.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:02 pmThrow is sorry ass out with the rest of the scumbag republicans. All 15 of those republican crooks!!
June 4th, 2007 at 1:02 pm’bout time. The guys a crook.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pmHeterodoxy you are a silly boy , I like your name calling but what would you expect from a child in an adults body .
June 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pmLock him up and throw away the key, along with any Democrat who has defended him.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pmCorrupt is corrupt. Dem/Repub. Doesn’t matter clean ‘em out.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI called for Jefferson to resign from the Congress before the 2006 election, so go bitch at Pelosi m12 about it.
For that to work, Pelosi would have to actually stand up to the Congressional Black Caucus.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Democrats_will_stand_by_U.S._Rep._0504.html
June 4th, 2007 at 1:04 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
Do not try to water this down. Your hypocrisy is immediately showing.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:04 pm#15 Harry Truman
Hehehe HAHAHA what do you guys call it ? oh thats right the culture of corruption , its a shame his last name was not Clintpon
Must we put up a scoreboard for you? The Dems have a lot of catching up to do if they’re going to be a part of the culture of corruption. The GOP has it pretty well locked up. Does “K Street Project” ring a bell?
June 4th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThis has Condumbs scratching their heads. The trolls want to gloat and state Dems are corrupt just like them but when they see Dems happy justice is working and Jefferson is charged they do not understand.
“Why don’t the dems carry the water, change the subject, make up excuses, or stick their heads in the sand like we do?”
June 4th, 2007 at 1:05 pmJefferson has joined his Republican brethren frolicking, like polar bears in a cat litter box, about in choppy seas watching the burned out and colorfully named Gee Oh Pee carcass-ship eject its unseemly inhabitants, without remorse, to gain buoyancy.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:06 pmm12,
Their defense mechanisms are going full-throttle!
At least TP is covering it…
June 4th, 2007 at 1:06 pmI say it for the Republicans so I will say it here.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Once it’s proven in a court of law, I will giggle and make my snide comments, until then though, he is an innocent man ACCUSED of a crime.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:06 pmFreeze his assets!…..oh, wait, um, well, nevermind…
June 4th, 2007 at 1:07 pmOf course Bushies will point to this and say that both parties are equally corrupt……There was I guy I served over seas with who would constantly lose at whatever card game we happened to be playing. No one would give him shit about the obvious disparity between his winning and losing hands, but inevitably he’d win a hand and immediately start yelling and bragging as if winning one hand was a vindication of all his loses. GOPers remind me of that guy when they try to hide their innumerable corruptions by pointing to the relatively few corruptions of Democrats. I say, if the Republicans want the justice system to determine who is and isn’t corrupt, they should start asking the WH to release information rather than stonewalling, hiding and destroying it, and let the chips fall where they may. But who thinks the Bush WH wants to allow the law to determine their fate when their corruptions are so clearly violations of federal law? Who thinks Republicans can win more hands than the Democrats in a fair game?
June 4th, 2007 at 1:07 pm#24 Harry Truman, sad you couldn’t refute the truth but poignantly proved my position correct. Thank you.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:08 pmHe should resign immediately!!
June 4th, 2007 at 1:08 pmYou all must have been preparing a long time for your water-down defense.
Nancy looked good removing him from the ways and means committee, then blew it by appointing him to Homeland security at the 110th Congress.
Backfire.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:09 pmCue righties calls for us to not judge him till he’s found guilty…3…2…1…? Or does that defense only apply to the scores of republicans indicted?
June 4th, 2007 at 1:09 pm#
Cue leftie defense in 3,2,1…..
Comment by m12 — June 4, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
June 4th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI will leave the defense of criminal politicians in the good hands of people like you.
see con shits, unlke you, we do not defend criminals. Cons defended Delay, cons defended Libby, if the criminal has a letter “R” next to their name, they would defend the individual at any cost. The average con would defend a “R” even if that “R” raped their own wife.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:12 pmAbout effin’ time. I don’t care what party or stripe, the corruption in Congress has become so deep and all encompassing that any and every member needs to be held account, investigated, and if guilty, indicted and thrown out.
In fact, Pelosi shoud demand his immediate resignation.
I fail to see any good explanation for keeping that much “cold cash” lying around, by the way. Legitimate money warms up from the interest in a bank. On shore and legitimate bank, of course.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:12 pm#7, #26, and reluctantly #33
June 4th, 2007 at 1:12 pmI agree
Comment by Tundra
Well, your right. Though the $90,000 in the freezer sealed the deal for me, you have to give him every benefit the justice system offers.
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June 4th, 2007 at 1:12 pmComment by Mark — June 4, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
Done, although I’m not rightie, more centerie who says that about the repubs.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:12 pm#32 CompTROLLER V-1
Their defense mechanisms are going full-throttle!
At least TP is covering it…
Your imagination is going full-throttle. Have you even read any of the posts here? I didn’t think so.
And, by the way, for GOPers to be commenting on a Democrat’s corruption case defines hypocrisy. You guys are a long long way from seeing the end of GOP indictments.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pmOf course I think he should have resigned already.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pmM12, Truman here is your scorecard. How heavy is your water today?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joshuah-bearman/100-if-you-can-list-all-_b_33133.html
June 4th, 2007 at 1:14 pmComment by Krazny
And I will leave the defense of violent, actually threatning criminals to you.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:14 pmCue Rpublican defense in 3, 2, 1, “I am innocent and the record will speak for itself. Two weeks later, “I have asked God for his forgiveness and I will be entering a rehab clinic next”.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:15 pmted stevens is who needs to go next.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:15 pmCompTROLLER V-1
“You all must have been preparing a long time for your water-down defense. Nancy looked good removing him from the ways and means committee, then blew it by appointing him to Homeland security at the 110th Congress. Backfire.”
As I’ve already said, Jefferson should have resigned way before now. But just for the sake of argument, let’s not forget that the chorus on the right is very pronounced for the pardoning of Scooter Libby. And he has actually been found guilty by a jury of his peers for his crimes. Where are you on that?
June 4th, 2007 at 1:16 pmTime to dump Jefferson out of all of his committees immediately. See ya later. Plus they should make him an honorary Republican.
-GSD
June 4th, 2007 at 1:17 pmCompTROLLER V-1 sez:
Explain how I’m “watering this down”. While you’re at it, explain how “two wrongs still don’t make a right” equals hypocrisy in your judgement.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:17 pmI wonder how many more crimes will be committed by Chimpy and Co. with Goonzales still at the helm of the DOJ.
It seems like every day there is someone resigning, under investigation or being fired under the Chimpy Admin.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:18 pmBy the way to all the smelly troll-holes. Notice that this story was highlighted by Thinkprogress, not hidden.
-GSD
June 4th, 2007 at 1:18 pmBack to OT.
GOOD.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:19 pmHe needs to be removed from all committees right now. The quicker all of this comes to light the better.
The man should have resigned.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:23 pmJust like bigotry, racism, homophobia, hypocrisy, pandering; corruption is not the domain of either party. The problems more likely stem from our public officials (Chief Executive and those in Congress) being underpaid.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:23 pm#56
June 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pmHow do you know they smell, is this new technology I am not aware Of!?
Maybe he can get M!ghty Aphrod!te to defend him!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 4, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
Sure, he’d end up with a death sentence.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pmLet me remind the trolls that during the investigation I cannot remember any Democrat in Washington defending him … however, I do remember fat Hastert and a bunch of other republican congressmen defending him.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pm#
Comment by Krazny
And I will leave the defense of violent, actually threatning criminals to you.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 4, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
June 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pmI have never defended a violent criminal or his actions. Please check with Mighty Aphrodite on that one. Pleasetryagainspamforbrians.
Correction to #61, the CBC defended him.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:26 pmEarth to CompTROLLER V-1: We are happy to see the back of the loser and we hope he spends a nice, long time in prison.
If you are going to try and claim the leftwing is defending him, maybe you need some remedial reading classes, or maybe a brain thicky.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:27 pmComment by Crump’s Brother
Because Libby was the apparent fall-guy. It’s all or nothing. Either Richard Armitage and everyone else involved should have criminal record, or Libby should go free. Even a juror admitted he had concern about Libby being the fall-guy. Pardon talks are with merit.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:28 pmBecause Libby was the apparent fall-guy. It’s all or nothing. Either Richard Armitage and everyone else involved should have criminal record, or Libby should go free.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Dick Armitage didn’t lie to a grand jury…
Nice try.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:31 pmThe Republican trolls assume we’re going to defend him for one reason and one reason only: because that’s what they’d do.
No, you miserable little men. No “partisan prosecutor out to get me.” No “criminalization of politics.” You’re not going to find any of that on this board.
You know why? Because we’re better people than you.
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June 4th, 2007 at 1:33 pmEither Richard Armitage and everyone else involved should have criminal record, or Libby should go free.
Thanks for going on record as supporting impeachment of Bush and Cheney – perhaps you aren’t so blindly partisan, after all.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:34 pmWith Republicans smearing and framing Democrats all over the place, it’s irrational to believe anything bad about a Democrat. Pretty cool huh?
June 4th, 2007 at 1:34 pmSo you are saying, hypothetically, if lets say five individuals are involved in a murder, but there is only enough evidence to bring charges against one and have a good chance of getting a conviction, then that person should be let free?
June 4th, 2007 at 1:34 pmCaptainMantastic
No, they are paid plenty and generally have money to start off with (A campaign costs quite a bit.)
No the real problem lies in the fact that politics often takes the same ability set as being a conman. Actual ability to lead is often secondary to one’s ability to engender trust.
Think about the Bush/Kerry clash. The basic fact was that Bush came across as someone you could have a beer with, and Kerry came across as somebody you would expect to answer the Adams’ family door.
Unfortunately, we haven’t yet figured out a better political system then the one currently, so to compensate for this Americans need to be willing to keep an eye on their government and vote out the conmen.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pmLet me remind the trolls that during the investigation I cannot remember any Democrat in Washington defending him … however, I do remember fat Hastert and a bunch of other republican congressmen defending him.
Comment by Ashen Shard — June 4, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
This is pure and utter horse shit!
The Democratic party was in full throttle defending this guy. Let us not forget that the Democratic party claimed that the Executive branch had over stepped its boundry by sending the FBI into Jefferson’s house.
Pelosi wanted to put him as chair of a few congressional committees. If it had not been for Republican pundits and Congressmen complaining, Jefferson would be in charge of a few committees right now.
Jefferson has been defended by the Democratic party time and time again.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pmLets see how FoxNews spins this. Fair is fair. My pawn for your King Bushie or Queen Cheney or even the Bishop Rove will suffice.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:35 pmCompTROLLER V-1,
Who’s justifying now? Who’s parsing terms now? Who’s hypocritical now?
Libby was convicted by a jury of his peers for lying to a federal investigation tema, and a Grand Jury. No one else had been charged, because HE IS THEEE WITNESS!!! He’s obstructing the case against those others. He is a fall guy, but it is of his own choice. He didn’t have to lie.
You want us to tell Jefferson to get lost, which at least I have, but you are not willing to say the same about a guy who has been convicted of a serious crime. You are acting hypocritical!!
June 4th, 2007 at 1:36 pmGood news.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:36 pmThis is an Executive Branch investigation, given to the DOJ….nothing to do with Democrats in congress getting rid of their corrupt members.
stop lying my Democratic party members.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:36 pmComment by barfly
No, Armitage did worse – he OUTED her. To you, does that rank below telling big government what they don’t want to hear?
Nice try.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:37 pmBecause Libby was the apparent fall-guy. It’s all or nothing. Either Richard Armitage and everyone else involved should have criminal record, or Libby should go free.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Dick Armitage didn’t lie to a grand jury…
Nice try.
Comment by barfly — June 4, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
You mean like me lying to a Grand Jury and all I got was a slap on the wrist and disbared for 5 years?
if I didn’t go to jail, why should Libby?
June 4th, 2007 at 1:38 pmComment by barfly
Never said I was “blindly partisan.”
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June 4th, 2007 at 1:39 pmCompTROLLER V-1 sez:
Coward.
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June 4th, 2007 at 1:40 pmGood. Throw his a** out, along with Cheney, Bush, Rove, and every other corrupt scumbag in Washington D.C.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:41 pmI’m guessing we won’t be hearing from the GOP House Leadership on this, seeing as how they threw major hissy fits about the Separation Of Powers when one of their own had his office searched with a legally issued warrant
Jefferson’s a parasite, and his district, the lower 9th ward, still looks much the same as it did immediately after Katrina hit, so the sooner his worthless ass is indicted and convicted, the sooner he can be expelled from Congress
And here’s the main proof of Jefferson’s appalling selfishness-think any of the documents or computer accessories he’s having moved in the video related to his legal woes?
June 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pm“No, Armitage did worse – he OUTED her. To you, does that rank below telling big government what they don’t want to hear?”
Nice try.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
They both “outed her,” it’s irrelevant who did it first. Libby lied to a grand jury – so in your hyper-partisan mind, he’s free of guilt because Armitage outed her first?
Weak attempt.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pmComment by Crump’s Brother
It’s not a serious crime, merits no prison time. After all, he didn’t out her.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pmHe may of lied, but the Jurors still felt sympathy for him. Go catch some violent fugitives to occupy those cells. Putting Libby is prison is a waste of time. Community service and limited probation IS justified. Let’s face, his entire life he’s racked up not a single criminal charge. That has to be to his credit, to say the least.
#72 I think if you revist your history it was the house leader ship at the tiem defendign him and hammering the FBI for violating the sanctity of congress. Way back then the house leadership was Hastert & co. I’m not saying democrats did not defend him, though I would appreciate your help by jogging my memory with names and quotes, but I cant think of them off the top of my head. I do however rememebr very clearly that the house leadership at the time was very vocal about the jefferson raids.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:43 pmNever said I was “blindly partisan.â€
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
You don’t have to – it shows.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:44 pmAs to who might defend Jafferson, lets not forget our most esteemed constitutional lawyer Jake.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:44 pmThe Democratic party was in full throttle defending this guy. Let us not forget that the Democratic party claimed that the Executive branch had over stepped its boundry by sending the FBI into Jefferson’s house.
Actually, that was Hastert.
WASHINGTON (CNN) – House Speaker Dennis Hastert said Tuesday that the FBI and the Justice Department “took the wrong path” when they searched a Democratic congressman’s office this weekend as part of an anti-corruption probe. “We understand that they want to support and pursue the process that the Justice Department is trying to pursue,” Hastert, a Republican from Illinois, said. “But there’s ways to do it, and my opinion is that they took the wrong path.” Over the weekend, The FBI searched the Washington home and office of Rep. William Jefferson, D-Louisiana, and found $90,000 of allegedly ill-gotten funds in the freezer of his home, according to an affidavit.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:45 pmCompTROLLER V-1,
Who’s justifying now? Who’s parsing terms now? Who’s hypocritical now?
Libby was convicted by a jury of his peers for lying to a federal investigation tema, and a Grand Jury. No one else had been charged, because HE IS THEEE WITNESS!!! He’s obstructing the case against those others. He is a fall guy, but it is of his own choice. He didn’t have to lie.
You want us to tell Jefferson to get lost, which at least I have, but you are not willing to say the same about a guy who has been convicted of a serious crime. You are acting hypocritical!!
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 4, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
BS, Armitage “outed” Valarie Plame, not Libby or any other top official of the Bush administration.
Patrick Fitzgerald knew this from the beggining and he chose to keep on with the case, the question is why?
Armitage, NOT Libby outed Plame.
furthermore, please tell me, what were you doing on June 4, 3:34pm?
If you can remember this, then go ahead and condemn Libby, other wise, shut up.
I couldn’t even remember how many women I did before I lied about Monica.
I couldn’t even remember whether or not I gave orders to go after Bin Laden.
How can you expect Libby to remember what he was doing and saying 5 years ago?
With Fitzgerald standards, anyone and everyone would be guilty of perjury and lying to a grand jury.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:45 pm“No, Armitage did worse – he OUTED her. To you, does that rank below telling big government what they don’t want to hear?â€
Nice try.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
They both “outed her,†it’s irrelevant who did it first. Libby lied to a grand jury – so in your hyper-partisan mind, he’s free of guilt because Armitage outed her first?
Weak attempt.
Comment by barfly — June 4, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
WRONG!!! they both didn’t “out” her!
Only one of them told Novak who was Valarie Plame, only Armitage, not Libby.
stop lying barfly, you are starting to sound like me when I testified to the grand jury.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:47 pmYou mean like me lying to a Grand Jury and all I got was a slap on the wrist and disbared for 5 years?
if I didn’t go to jail, why should Libby?
Comment by President Clinton
It was a witchhunt, and a perjury trap, having nothing to do with Whitewater. Your Clinton shtick is getting old, nameless troll – you can’t even get the historical facts correct.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:47 pmPutting Libby is prison is a waste of time. Community service and limited probation IS justified. Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Community service is acceptable for TREASON?? Not in my United States.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:48 pmThe Democratic party was in full throttle defending this guy. Let us not forget that the Democratic party claimed that the Executive branch had over stepped its boundry by sending the FBI into Jefferson’s house.
Actually, that was Hastert.
WASHINGTON (CNN) – House Speaker Dennis Hastert said Tuesday that the FBI and the Justice Department “took the wrong path†when they searched a Democratic congressman’s office this weekend as part of an anti-corruption probe. “We understand that they want to support and pursue the process that the Justice Department is trying to pursue,†Hastert, a Republican from Illinois, said. “But there’s ways to do it, and my opinion is that they took the wrong path.†Over the weekend, The FBI searched the Washington home and office of Rep. William Jefferson, D-Louisiana, and found $90,000 of allegedly ill-gotten funds in the freezer of his home, according to an affidavit.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 4, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
And Nancy Pelosi, my buddy, came out and defended the Executive Branch, right? She said, Hastert, you are wrong. right?
and she didn’t attempt to put Jeffereson as a chairman of any committees, right?
nice try kid, but you are not me, slicky, the lying willy.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:50 pmIt is good that his wife didn’t make a humburger out of his frozen dollars sitting in the freezer…!!
June 4th, 2007 at 1:50 pmComment by TripMaster Flunky
Mr. Monkey, you got to mouth off about DeLay’s indictment almost TWO YEARS after it occured. The “neocons” should have their turns. Everybody (including demos) likes to seize a golden opportunity, today is that day. The “hypocrisy ball,” as you might see it, will be right back in our court soon.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:51 pmWith Fitzgerald standards, anyone and everyone would be guilty of perjury and lying to a grand jury.
Comment by President Clinton
Armitage didn’t lie to a grand jury – a fact you cannot dispute. Libby was convicted of lying to a grand jury, about a matter of national security – not over lying about a blow-job. That you would even attempt to equate the two demonstrates your hyper-partisanship, sad little troll.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:51 pmPutting Libby is prison is a waste of time. Community service and limited probation IS justified. Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Community service is acceptable for TREASON?? Not in my United States.
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — June 4, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
well it is when it comes to Sandy Berger stealing and destroying top secret documents from the National Archieve. If this doesn’t deserve prison time, why does Libby?
so why not use the same standards with Libby.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:52 pmI think Pres Clinton troll really wants to speak his mind (sic).
June 4th, 2007 at 1:52 pmGood riddance to bad rubbish.
It’s about time….geez…
June 4th, 2007 at 1:53 pmPresident Clinton,
Did Libby lie? Was tried fairly? Did he have to lie? I’m not discussing your lies. Libby deserves a prison term. If he did nothing wrong, why did he lie. If he knew that someone else was responsible, why not just say that?
June 4th, 2007 at 1:53 pmWRONG!!! they both didn’t “out†her!
Only one of them told Novak who was Valarie Plame, only Armitage, not Libby.
stop lying barfly, you are starting to sound like me when I testified to the grand jury.
Comment by Pathetic Nebbish
Yes they did, or did you forget about Matt Cooper?
June 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pmYou mean like me lying to a Grand Jury and all I got was a slap on the wrist and disbared for 5 years?
if I didn’t go to jail, why should Libby?
Comment by President Clinton
It was a witchhunt, and a perjury trap, having nothing to do with Whitewater. Your Clinton shtick is getting old, nameless troll – you can’t even get the historical facts correct.
Comment by barfly — June 4, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
So Republicans going after me was a witchhunt, ,but this Valarie Plame crap wasn’t? c’mon barfly, you can’t even respond to the facts. Please stop spewing the talking points that I have ordered you to spew.
and let us not forget that us on the left have always hated the CIA, until recently when we saw fit to use the CIA against the Bush administration.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pmI think Pres Clinton troll really wants to speak his mind (sic).
Comment by Juan C
I wish he had a mind.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pmwell it is when it comes to Sandy Berger stealing and destroying top secret documents from the National Archieve. If this doesn’t deserve prison time, why does Libby?
so why not use the same standards with Libby.
Comment by President Clinton
Copies of documents.
He didn’t lie to a grand jury – boy, you republicans have no respect for the rule of law.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI did some searching and found a bunch of articles, but I think this one is the most complete.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:57 pmtypical neocon defense:
well Scooter only committed perjury and obstructed justice to cover up Cheney’s TREASON so he’s not really a bad guy ( plus he’s fun to have a beer with at the casino) and they couldn’t nail those guys because he lied so he should go free! Free Scooter! Poor Scooter, he’s only an Ivy Leaque lawyer, how could he know what the law is!” They should pardon him!”
you people are utter scum and Im glad they finally drug Jefferson away in bracelets, corruption sucks regardless of party.
more rethug indictments to come! A fun filled week of testimony on the Judiciary committee this week! Lurita need a few more days to shred evidence and make up lies so she’s be up next week but you have plenty to see with Schnozman and Graves! They should do a FAUX News split screen!
June 4th, 2007 at 1:57 pmrollin’ rollin’ rollin’ keep those subpoenas rollin’ testimony is golden
INDICT!
With Fitzgerald standards, anyone and everyone would be guilty of perjury and lying to a grand jury.
Comment by President Clinton
Armitage didn’t lie to a grand jury – a fact you cannot dispute. Libby was convicted of lying to a grand jury, about a matter of national security – not over lying about a blow-job. That you would even attempt to equate the two demonstrates your hyper-partisanship, sad little troll.
Comment by barfly — June 4, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
and this is your problem barfly, my sycophant, toolish follower. You believe that the only thing I ever lied about was a blow job.
Man, my communication staff did their job well. Thank you for being my tool and spewing the talking points that I want you to spew.
Lying to a grand jury is lying to a grand jury, regardless of the crime.
Furthermore, I was also charged with obstruction of justice, perjury, etc, etc, etc.
but thanks for the support barfly. You have been thoroughly coco washed into believing what I want you to believe.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI wish he had a mind.
Comment by Zooey
Heh. That was my (sic) for. ;)
June 4th, 2007 at 1:58 pmComment by barfly
Apparently, you don’t understand the justice system. Libby was never indicted on any charge directly related to Mrs. Plame’s outing. If he was never indicted and convicted, he never did it. You can’t use media trials to support your claim. Didn’t work out well with the Duke case, did it? You failed there, didn’t you?
Next, Comment by Oversight is a Bitch
Mr. Libby was never charged with treason. Apparently, you want a prison term handed out for an conviction that doesn’t exist. Review the facts of the case, please.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:58 pmPlease stop spewing the talking points that I have ordered you to spew.
and let us not forget that us on the left have always hated the CIA, until recently when we saw fit to use the CIA against the Bush administration.
Comment by President Clinton
Now you’re in LA LA Land.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:58 pmGood…I don’t care about party affiliation. Clean up congress
June 4th, 2007 at 2:00 pmPresident Clinton,
Why shouldn’t you be in prison, stripped of your presidential pension?
June 4th, 2007 at 2:01 pmwell it is when it comes to Sandy Berger stealing and destroying top secret documents from the National Archieve. If this doesn’t deserve prison time, why does Libby?
so why not use the same standards with Libby.
Comment by President Clinton
Copies of documents.
He didn’t lie to a grand jury – boy, you republicans have no respect for the rule of law.
Comment by barfly — June 4, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
No, my National Security advisor destroyed ORIGINALS!! so that the 9/11 commission would never find certain documents.
not only did my national security advisor steal top secret documents, when he took them out of the National Archieve, he “hid” them in plain sight in a construction site. Top secret documents.
please son, please my left wing tool, take off the partisan glasses. please try to be smart, and educated.
you are desperate to defend us Democrats for the same crime you are more than willing to convict Republicans.
look in the mirror my sad tool next time you accuse anyone of being partisan.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:02 pmPresident Clinton,
Why shouldn’t you be in prison, stripped of your presidential pension?
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 4, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
Well, I allowed the judge to give me a blow job….this is how i only received a 5 year disbarment (if there is such a word)
June 4th, 2007 at 2:03 pm“Libby was never indicted on any charge directly related to Mrs. Plame’s outing.”
No, he was indicted for lying to a grand jury, as I’ve repeatedly stated.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:03 pmPlease stop spewing the talking points that I have ordered you to spew.
and let us not forget that us on the left have always hated the CIA, until recently when we saw fit to use the CIA against the Bush administration.
Comment by President Clinton
Now you’re in LA LA Land.
Comment by barfly — June 4, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
No I was in LA LA land when Monica was giving me a blow job….delicious!
I am also in LA LA land when I see tools like you defend me and my administration at any cause.
It is awesome to see that you are so loyal to me, such a tool of my administration that no matter how many years go by, you people repeat the talking points I ordered my communication staff to spew out into the media.
thank you barfly, thank you for being my tool, my sheep, my foaming at the mouth Democratic blind partisan fool.
Uneducated fools like you keep my party in power. thank you, thank you, thank you.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:05 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
Note to Trip: you are the only one on my ‘Ignore List 2007.’ You are also on my virus protection software.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:05 pmPrez, what does one have to do with the other? You feeling so inclined, I’m sure you can muster up some support to go after Berger. Seems like some time has passed with Republicans in control and could have done something then. I wonder why there was no push by the republicans.
Your desire to keep old wounds open is clouding you vision for the new ones coming.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:06 pmPresident Clinton
Stop lying. Seriously, all you conservatives have are lies. It is why you are so horrified at the fact that there has not been 1 post here thus far in defence of Jefferson by a liberal poster.
We have heard your lies, we don’t believe your lies, and frankly these boards would be a lot better off without your lies.
They were copies. Go read the court transcripts.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:06 pm“Libby was never indicted on any charge directly related to Mrs. Plame’s outing.â€
No, he was indicted for lying to a grand jury, as I’ve repeatedly stated.
Comment by barfly — June 4, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
I was also indicted for lying to a grand jury. But you don’t care barfly. You are my tool, you have my d**ck up your ass and you love it so much, that you are more than willing to defend me for any crimes I may have committed.
thanks barfly, I need blind tools like you. I really need them. I mean given the fact that both times I was elected I received less votes than both times Bush was elected. I need my tools, my sheeps, my Democratic soldiers that don’t question us on the left.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:08 pmComment by barfly
Which is the equivalent of telling big government what they don’t want to hear.
“They both “outed her,†it’s irrelevant who did it first.” – your statement.
I’m going to need some links supporting that Libby “outed her.” If he did, he would have been indicted directely. Otherwise, it didn’t happen, so keep your media-whoring opinions to yourself.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:10 pmLOL figures another day another crook demonrat
June 4th, 2007 at 2:10 pmComment by President Clinton
You gave Rehnquist a BJ!?!?!?
June 4th, 2007 at 2:11 pmPresident Clinton
Stop lying. Seriously, all you conservatives have are lies. It is why you are so horrified at the fact that there has not been 1 post here thus far in defence of Jefferson by a liberal poster.
We have heard your lies, we don’t believe your lies, and frankly these boards would be a lot better off without your lies.
They were copies. Go read the court transcripts.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 4, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
yes, you are right, I lied about Whitewater, my wife and I were invovled. I lied about not giving ICBM technology to the Chinese, in fact, I did.
I lied about having a bunch of extra marital affairs while I being paid with tax payers money.
I lied about trying to go after Bin Laden, I never did and I never too him seriously.
I lied about wanting to protect this nation, all I wanted was to make a legacy for me and for people to love me. Look at barfly, I have seen sycophant followers in my time, but this guy just loves me, adores me, I am sure he is jelouse of Monica Lewinsky. Barfly, name the time and place and I’ll let you do to me what MOnica did to me. I’ll even let you play with the cigar, ok?
June 4th, 2007 at 2:12 pmI was elected I received less votes than both times Bush was elected. I need my tools, my sheeps, my Democratic soldiers that don’t question us on the left.
Comment by President Clinton
How ignorant are you? Everyone knows Bush was elected by the smallest margin in presidential history – the only way you can support that claim is to ignore the fact that in 2000, there were more total voters than in ‘96. Weak. Truly weak.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:14 pmBruce. I believe in the free market. I’m sure it’s not the only answer, but the idea is to pay the officials more to 1): get more people interested in doing the work and b): reduce the temptation for corruption by compensating those elected to the point where they don’t need the money.
For example: if Jefferson’s position paid $500,000 a year, he probably would have been beat out by someone more qualified that would be attracted to the money, but even if he wasn’t, it would create incentive for Jefferson not to sell out his constituents, a): because he already has the money and 2): would less likely risk the higher paying position.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:14 pmyes, you are right, I lied about Whitewater, my wife and I were invovled. I lied about not giving ICBM technology to the Chinese, in fact, I did.
No proof. Try again
June 4th, 2007 at 2:16 pmFor example: if Jefferson’s position paid $500,000 a year, he probably would have been beat out by someone more qualified that would be attracted to the money, but even if he wasn’t, it would create incentive for Jefferson not to sell out his constituents, a): because he already has the money and 2): would less likely risk the higher paying position.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — June 4, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
You’re assuming that there exists an amount that is equal to “enough money” for these people.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:16 pmRepub trolls were just sure that poster would defend Jefferson because that’s what they do when a Repub is shown to be corrupt. Sorry trolls. That’s not the way liberals roll. Phony Clinton wonders why Libby shoud go to jail while he didn’t. Again, simple: Libby was convicted of Obstruction of Justice and Clinton wasn’t. Remember, dummy, the “impeachment” is like an indictment and the Senate either convicts or it doesn’t. They didn’t. Get it?
June 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pmComment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 4, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Well well…you managed to keep me on your “ignore list” for 18 whole minutes, CT. That’s even worse that Shakey Jake. Pathetic.
And we’re right back to schoolyard taunts. The level of maturity you trolls display is truly breathtaking.
Point out where I said you “shouldn’t have your turn”.
Apparently, you’re confused as to the meaning of my statement “two wrongs don’t make a right”. Quelle suprise.
I’d explain it to you, but I really can’t be bothered. Figure it out for yourself. If you’re unable to grasp this simple concept, you’re not worth responding to.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pmI must say, that’s a long indictment sheet…
To respond to TripMaster Monkey, two wrongs may not make a right, but 54525 wrongs (looks at the charges, WOW!) actually leaves some catching-up FOR the right.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:18 pmBarfly, name the time and place and I’ll let you do to me what MOnica did to me. I’ll even let you play with the cigar, ok?
Comment by President Clinton
How about I do to you what was done to Iraqis under Bush’s compassionate care at Abu Ghraib? Then we’ll see how funny you think you are…
June 4th, 2007 at 2:18 pmLIBBY ?!?!?! LIBBY !!!??????
congratualtions, troolls and enablers…
splendid derailment…
June 4th, 2007 at 2:19 pm…
I was elected I received less votes than both times Bush was elected. I need my tools, my sheeps, my Democratic soldiers that don’t question us on the left.
Comment by President Clinton
How ignorant are you? Everyone knows Bush was elected by the smallest margin in presidential history – the only way you can support that claim is to ignore the fact that in 2000, there were more total voters than in ‘96. Weak. Truly weak.
Comment by barfly — June 4, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Hmmm….that still doesn’t deny the fact that Bush received in 2000 and in 2004 more popular votes than I did.
How sad are you? why are you so desperate to defend me?
Bush received over 50% of the votes in 2000 and in 2004 regardless of the turn out votes.
I received 43% of the total votes in 92 and 48% of the votes in 96.
so regardless of the amount of people that voted in my elections versus Bush’s, percentage wise, AND number wise more people voted for Bush.
what’s the matter, can’t deal with this fact?
and what’s does it say about me and my administration that we couldnn’t get people interested in my campaign and my administration. People were more interested Bush than on me.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:20 pmYou’re assuming that there exists an amount that is equal to “enough money†for these people.
Comment by erock
Great post.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:21 pmRepub trolls were just sure that poster would defend Jefferson because that’s what they do when a Repub is shown to be corrupt. Sorry trolls. That’s not the way liberals roll. Phony Clinton wonders why Libby shoud go to jail while he didn’t. Again, simple: Libby was convicted of Obstruction of Justice and Clinton wasn’t. Remember, dummy, the “impeachment†is like an indictment and the Senate either convicts or it doesn’t. They didn’t. Get it?
Comment by Bluedog49 — June 4, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
So do tell, why was I punished and disbared for 5 years? why? If I did “nothing wrong”?
June 4th, 2007 at 2:22 pmYou may not be defending him but the silence up to this point has been deafening.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:22 pmAdditionally under the previous republican rules he would be forced to resign as a result of the inditement. The failure of the dems to have a similar rule speaks volumes to their sincerity to clean house.
and what TP and every single democrat, left winger, who is posting here fails to point out is the fact that despite the fact that Jefferson was being investigated for so many things, Pelosi was more than willing to give him leadership positions in Congress.
I see none of you has bothered to talk about this, so much for the Democrats being the party of no corruption.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:24 pmPeople were more interested Bush than on me.
Comment by President Clinton
That would explain the state of the US, right now.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:24 pmCompTROLLER V-1 sez:
This sort of statement is exactly what my comment at #1 was in reference to. Thank you for illustrating my point so beautifully, dolt.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:25 pmGood friggin riddance
June 4th, 2007 at 2:27 pmBarfly, name the time and place and I’ll let you do to me what MOnica did to me. I’ll even let you play with the cigar, ok?
Comment by President Clinton
How about I do to you what was done to Iraqis under Bush’s compassionate care at Abu Ghraib? Then we’ll see how funny you think you are…
Comment by barfly — June 4, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
C’mon my toolish, blind follower, name the time, town and place. I’ll you do to me what Monica did to me, ok? I mean, you already have my d**ck in your mouth, but this time I’ll let you play with the cigar, ok?
I know you are jelouse of Monica…..
and by all means do to me what it was done to terrorists in Abu Grabh….
wrap and Israeli flag around me (yes, we on the left believe this is torture)
get me naked and let us do a human pyramid….delicious…(i am sure you would be jelouse that my d**ck would be touching someone else)
put me in a cold or hot environment, I need it, I am always thinking about sex, this could help my sex problem.
shine a light in my face all day long, I sleep too much, I need to get more work done.
Yes, sad that you believe that what happened in Abu Grahb is torture, yet you don’t condemn the beheading of American soldiers and others by Al Qaeda and Iraq terrorists, sad that you don’t condemn American soldiers being captured and their stomachs, private parts, etc being torn apart while they were alive.
We have done a good job on you…..I love how far my d**ck is up your ass. You must be loving it too.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:28 pmCompTROLLER V-1,
Libby deserves a solid prison sentence and here’s why…
Federal Sentencing for Dummies
This lesson is designed for those of you who are not lawyers or otherwise inclined to wade through the United States Sentencing Guidelines in order to understand the issues that Judge Reggie Walton has to decide before sentencing Scooter Libby. Here is all you need to know:
In federal court, sentences are determined using a system of guidelines that has two main components: a defendant’s criminal history and an “offense level†based on the nature of the crimes for which he was convicted. After someone is convicted of a crime, a probation officer prepares a report that lays out a preliminary calculation of these factors, which results in a recommended sentencing range. The probation officer also identifies possible grounds for downward or upward departures from that range. The government and the defense then argue about the findings and calculations in the report, submit memos and make oral presentations, after which the judge decides what sentence to impose. Judges don’t have to follow the guidelines, but they usually do.
Everyone in the case thus far — the probation officer, the defense attorneys, and the prosecutors — agrees that the base offense level for Libby is 15 to 21 months. The Special Counsel is arguing, however, that, under the federal sentencing guidelines, the court should increase this range because Libby’s perjury and obstruction of justice interfered with an investigation into possible violations of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act and the Espionage Act. If the court accepts this argument, Libby could receive a sentence ranging from 30 to 37 months.
The defense, on the other hand, is arguing that the judge should not follow the guidelines at all. Instead, they say, Libby should merely be sentenced to probation because: (1) he has an outstanding record of government service; (2) he will lose his law license; (3) he and his family have suffered, financially and otherwise, as a result of the prosecution; (4) his conduct was an aberration; and (5) he is unlikely to commit crimes in the future.
Given that, as the government points out, Libby used his position in the White House to commit the crime for which he was convicted; that he has not used his law license for many years and would likely never have to again; that the families of all defendants’ suffer and that, unlike most defendants, Libby has a massive legal defense trust fund; that he committed his crime not once, but four times over a period of many months; and that doesn’t think he did anything wrong, I suspect the judge will not be giving Libby probation. Indeed — for what it’s worth — I consider it far more likely that he will receive a sentence of approximately 30 months.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:29 pmThis sort of statement is exactly what my comment at #1 was in reference to. Thank you for illustrating my point so beautifully, dolt.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — June 4, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Then what the f*ck were you talking about. You libs are the vindictive ones when comes to the govt.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:29 pmI pulled that from this article
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/04/1648/
June 4th, 2007 at 2:29 pm“You may not be defending him but the silence up to this point has been deafening.”
Before you get too excited, trolls, two wrongs still don’t make a right…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — June 4, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Good. Get rid of him.
Comment by chimpeach — June 4, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
Of course I think he should have resigned already.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 4, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
I won’t defend him… it’s not about parties, it’s about integrity… we should not support our own when they do wrong…
Comment by Pete Bogs — June 4, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
Good riddance.
Comment by Rusty — June 4, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
Lock him up and throw away the key, along with any Democrat who has defended him.
Comment by trippin — June 4, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
Corrupt is corrupt. Dem/Repub. Doesn’t matter clean ‘em out.
Comment by Shuichi — June 4, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
What “silence” are you talking about?
June 4th, 2007 at 2:30 pmI didn’t post that Clinton did “nothing wrong,” a-hole. You asked why Clinton didn’t go to jail and why Libby did. The answer is that Libby was CONVICTED of obstruction of justice and Clinton wasn’t. Try to keep up with yourself. You act like an inmate in an insane asylum.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:31 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
That’s exactly not what you said. You stated, “Before you get too excited, trolls, two wrongs still don’t make a right…” That’s an attempted silencer.
You don’t have to steal my thunder.
“Lie, cheat, and steal” No wonder you love illegals.
Dolt.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:31 pmYou may not be defending him but the silence up to this point has been deafening.
Additionally under the previous republican rules he would be forced to resign as a result of the inditement. The failure of the dems to have a similar rule speaks volumes to their sincerity to clean house.
Comment by Troll — June 4, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
Exactly, the media and the Democratic Party has been completly silent about this.
If it would have been a Republican, it would have been day in and day out news about what the FBI and the DOJ were investigating.
But since it is a Democratic politician, it must be kept silent.
Where is the left wing outrage against Pelosi, who knew exactly what Jefferson had done and was more than willing to put him in leadership position?
where i the outrage from my side? where?
but we certainly went after Hastert didn’t we when we saw that he might have been defending Foley.
only an idiot would beleive that we are truly sorry to see Jefferson leave.
We have defended Jefferson, now we have no choice, but Pelosi and the Democratic leadership can be and will probably be in huge trouble for trying to put Jefferson in positions of power even though we knew what he had done.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:33 pmOops, another lil’ trooper walks into a battle of wits unarmed, claiming the GOP didn’t attack the raid on Jefferson’s office-And I’m guessing that Pelosi’s forced removal of Jefferson from the Ways & Means committee was somehow a reward for Jefferson’s corruption, at least with this lil’ trooper troll dedicated to The Glory Of All Things W
This is pure and utter horse shit!
The Democratic party was in full throttle defending this guy. Let us not forget that the Democratic party claimed that the Executive branch had over stepped its boundry by sending the FBI into Jefferson’s house.
Pelosi wanted to put him as chair of a few congressional committees. If it had not been for Republican pundits and Congressmen complaining, Jefferson would be in charge of a few committees right now.
Jefferson has been defended by the Democratic party time and time again.
Comment by President Clinton — June 4, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
Sorry troll, Hastert and Boehner threw the biggest hissy fits about the search of Jefferson’s office, with Boehner claiming that it was a crisis that would be cleared up only by the Supreme Court looking at the “Separation Of Powers” the GOP otherwise didn’t give a damn about
So, Just for the troll who can’t make it’s points except by signing the name of a President it undoubtedly despises, and how frustrating for said pathetic troll must that be, having to use the name of a President FAR more popular with the public than W will ever be again
FBI Raid Hits a Constitutional Nerve
FBI Raid on Lawmaker’s Office Is Questioned
Officials Defend Raid on Lawmaker’s Office
Speaker Hastert Protests to Bush Over Raid
F.B.I. RAID DIVIDES G.O.P. LAWMAKERS AND WHITE HOUSE
Hastert tells President Bush FBI raid was unconstitutional
And hey, what do you know, if wasn’t enough for Hastert to criticize the raid on Jefferson’s office, no, Denny took the next step indeed
Hastert Demands FBI Return Items From Raid of Rep. Jefferson’s Office
And I blogged all about the GOP’s complete hypocrisy in rallying around Jefferson last May, so check out the archives
So next time, troll that can’t make it’s points without using Clinton’s name, maybe a little research before spewing your easily-debunked blather might do your arguments, not to mention your overall coherence, might do you some good
June 4th, 2007 at 2:33 pmBarfly
June 4th, 2007 at 2:33 pmPrior to todays inditement.
Comment by Mr. President
How’s it goin’? This TripMaster idiot believes he was merely repeating my statement there, which is impossible.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“Mr. President” sez:
As I already told CT:
I’d explain it to you, but I really can’t be bothered. Figure it out for yourself. If you’re unable to grasp this simple concept, you’re not worth responding to.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:34 pmTry to keep up with yourself. You act like an inmate in an insane asylum.
Comment by Bluedog49 — June 4, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
I know, tell me about it. Isn’t it scary that despite this fact I was elected President for two terms and sycophant followers of mine like you and barfly still defend me.
what does that say about you, eh?
June 4th, 2007 at 2:35 pmWe have done a good job on you…..I love how far my d**ck is up your ass. You must be loving it too.
Comment by President Clinton
I’m not gay – but you obviously are, trolly. I’ve wasted enough time on you, and it’s been fun rubbing your nose in your lies, but I’ve got to head to work now, so I’ll leave you in the capable hands of TP posters. Adios, Trolly.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:35 pmWe have done a good job on you…..I love how far my d**ck is up your ass. You must be loving it too.
Comment by President Clinton
I’m not gay – but you obviously are, trolly. I’ve wasted enough time on you, and it’s been fun rubbing your nose in your lies, but I’ve got to head to work now, so I’ll leave you in the capable hands of TP posters. Adios, Trolly.
Comment by barfly — June 4, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
and so what if I am, is this bad? I thought we on the left championed this cause. Why are you trying to use gay issues as an insult? man, aren’t my left wing sycophant followers hypocrites.
and fact? please pass around what ever your smoking since your “facts” are only your voices in your head son.
nice to see that like a good follower of mine, all you can do is run away like a coward when the facts slap you in the face.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:39 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
Where’s the links? I need to see the links. Why, I’m only holding you to your own standards.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:40 pmCompTROLLER V-1 sez:
Wrong, stupid. I was cautioning the trolls to not attempt to use this Democratic wrongdoing to attempt to excuse Republican wrongdoing.
Now…what was it you said?
EXACTLY the path you tried to take, exactly as I predicted.
Harp on about Rep. Jefferson’s indictment all you like, CT…after all, there’s many posters here who are not neocon trolls that are doing just that. But I cautioned you to not try to use the indictment as an excuse for your own party’s bad behavior, and like a good little idiot, you proceeded to do exactly that.
The worst part is that I have to actually explain to you what you did, and why it was wrong. I’ve met eight-year-olds with better grasps of logic and ethics.
Honestly…do you think I enjoy hitting you?
June 4th, 2007 at 2:42 pmThe Prez here is a clever little troll who amuses himself while thinking he’s insulting others. Another pimple on the a$$ of humanity.
Jefferson will dealt with and it looks like it will be severe. Good.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:42 pmIf the Democrats and media aren’t saying anything about the Jefferson case, then why are you engaged in an argument about it in the comments thread of a liberal Democratic web site, which links to a Washington Post story about it, troll-boy?
June 4th, 2007 at 2:47 pmSo what happens now. Does he resign? (He had better!) Does Gav. Blanco appoint a replacement if that happens? What’s Pelosi’s statement on this?
Nice to see the Justice Department doing it’s job.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWEll, that leaves only about a hundred and fifty crooked congressman and thousands of crooked congressional staff to go…lets have a real house cleaning…
June 4th, 2007 at 2:52 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
Mr. Monkey, perhaps you still have your head on backwards. You should have at least made an effort to pass BackTrack 101.
The indictment list for Rep. Jefferson is incredibly long. In this case, this is worse than anything that DeLay, Libby, Cunningham, and others could have cooked up, perhaps combined. I’m not thinking that the right *will* catch up, but that they have the option to do so. This is an indictment to “harp” on all right, because this indictment is rather stacked.
Finally, you don’t need to “caution the trolls.” Again, this is judgment day for Democratic hypocrisy, so step aside and don’t attempt to moderate a just debate. As well, fake condemnation of Mr. Jefferson in here from the usual lefties appears to serve only as an attempted silencer. You know, just an attempt to get the story out of the way.
“Honestly…do you think I enjoy hitting you?” That’s what child-beaters regularly spout to their children. I hope you don’t have children.
Keep it up, cutie.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:55 pm…and if he’s convicted…
…take away his pension…
…and that of Cunningham, Rostenkowski, and ALL other convicted ex-Congressional felons…
June 4th, 2007 at 2:57 pmCT, could you list the indictments for Libby, DeLay and Cunningham and then we could discuss if that laundry list is better/worse than Jefferson’s. We could possibly come to the conclusion that all are unworthy of partaking in our system of government instead of the digibitching that goes on here.
If it’s up to me to find out if your telling the truth or not I’ll just accept that your angry and don’t like to use things like facts to support your side.
With Cunningham’s and DeLay’s still unfolding it would be premature to stand behind your statement.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:02 pmAll this shit in this comments section comes down to Libby, and Jefferson’s indictment was longer?
One Dem indicted.
How many Repubs indicted or currently serving…..?
Idiots.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:02 pmHow’s it goin’? This TripMaster idiot believes he was merely repeating my statement there, which is impossible.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 4, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
Good, good. ?ee too seenyour?
Yeah, this fool doesn’t have an argument.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:02 pmCompTROLLER V-1 sez:
You truly are an idiot. Let’s see if you’re stupid enough to say it out loud.
CT: Are you attempting to claim that this indictment against Rep. Jefferson excuses DeLay, Libby, Cunningham, and others for their wrongdoing? Please explain your answer.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:04 pmZooey,
Funny how they operate eh? As long as they can point the finger at one on the other side of the aisle, they think it absolves all their reps and political heroes of responsibility for their actions.
It’s the classic “Clinton did it too” defense ad nauseum.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:06 pmWell we’re movin on up,
To the big house.
To a deluxe detention center in the LA.
Movin on up,
To the big house.
I finally got a pop’d and I cry.
Fish don’t fry in the kitchen;
Beans don’t burn on the grill.
Took a whole lotta tryin’,
Just to get up to the hill.
Now i’m in the corrupted big leagues,
Gettin’ my turn at bat.
As long as we take, it’s you and me baby,
There ain’t nothin wrong with that.
Well we’re movin on up….
Before the troll’s start pissing themselves about democratic corruption, 11 republican corruption cases to 2 is nothing to get all spugged about, and the attorney’s investigating the Republican corruption were fired. We’ll have to get back to this one at a latter date.
This is different. Kind of freaky:
June 4th, 2007 at 3:07 pmhttp://www.liberalslikechrist.org/BushBundy.jpg
Comment by Crump’s Brother — They have nothing else to hold on too. Stupid is as stupid does.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:08 pmCT: Are you attempting to claim that this indictment against Rep. Jefferson excuses DeLay, Libby, Cunningham, and others for their wrongdoing? Please explain your answer. Comment by TripMaster Monkey — June 4, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
See to a wingnut like C*nt – one *exception* proves the rule. It doesn’t matter how much of a culture of corruption he lives in, as long as one person on the other side is also corrupt in some way – his criminality is “excused”. Just like he doesn’t care if Abu Ghraib happens under Republican leadership, because he’s still not an “Islamic” terrorist! It doesn’t matter if he uses the same torture, and evil techniques as Saddam did – there are still boogeyman *terrorists* he can cite as being “worse”, therefore by his “moral-relativism”, he feels “good”…
What a sad, and pathetic little whiny fool, he and the rest of the *immoral* wingnuts are.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:08 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
I don’t approve of anyone’s crimes. You’re deliberately mincing my words. Unless I state it literally, I didn’t state it.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:13 pmNancy Pelosi did all she could with Jefferson. At least she took him off any committees and didn’t allow him any power. As opposed to the Republics who promote their crooks to important positions.
I don’t think you will see anyone on this site standing up for Jefferson. Corruption is corruption no matter if you are a Republic or a Democrat. Any corrupt public official should be taken out of their position and prosecuted if necessary. And that goes for all the corrupt members of the Bush Crime Family.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:14 pmComment by Zooey
Judging by the indictment sheet, this is the equivalent of 10 Republicans getting nailed.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:15 pmWow, another thread hijacked by trolls and those who feed the trolls. This is getting ridiculous.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:16 pmCompTROLLER sez:
Bullsh!t. You’re caught with your own words, and now you’re backpedaling. Typical neocon troll.
May as well abandon this thread as well, CT. This is another one you’ve lost. Thanks for playing.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:16 pmCompTROLLER V-1 sez:
And yet, CT tries to claim that he’s not trying to excuse Repuke behavior based upon this indictment.
I didn’t need the additional ammo, CT, but thanks just the same.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:17 pmPraise God. What ever you do in the dark will be brought out into the light. How can LA re-elect this unethical and immoral person back into the House? You libs made the decision to defend William prior to this indictment, based on support for your immoral and sinful party. How can a man hide $90, 000 in a freezer within his office and claim that he has done nothing wrong. Was he freezing his assets? One down, many more to indict.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:18 pmCompTROLLER V-1,
“Judging by the indictment sheet, this is the equivalent of 10 Republicans getting nailed.”
But while I, and several others here, condemn Jefferson, you righties wont call out your own. Jefferson should resign and face the music. But you guys keep saying Libby should be pardoned, Reagan didn’t really sell weapons to Iran (talk about treason), DeLay must be innocent and should not have left, Duke Cunningham was framed, etc.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:20 pmDaryll
Actually, that it was Hastert (A Republican). We libs called on him to resign.
Get your facts straight before making accusations.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:21 pmDaryll,
“You libs made the decision to defend William prior to this indictment”
Who did? Names, links please. I never did. I’m willing to bet that few, if any ‘libs’ did either.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:23 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
You are inventing statements based on your own inferences. I DID NOT actually state them. There’s no backtracking here, simply comparing. The indictment list is long. Really long. There’s no way around that.
I don’t see how of that is “ammo” for you, by the way. You’ve mistaken that for a time bomb.
When your running out of energy, it’s always easy to drop the “you’ve lost” statement to give your opponent a false impression.
Here’s the reality, you’ve lost. Your fellow beloved Democrat just got himself a dozen-count indictment. You’ve lost. This is not a winning day for your hypocrisy.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:26 pmDaryll,
A lot of people who voted for Jefferson the last time were counting on his being brought to justice. They did not want to vote for his opponant at the time. They reasoned that, after his conviction, they would be given an opportunity to vote for someone who could better represent them. I understand that there were a lot of buckets outside of the voting booths that day for people to use after they pulled the lever for Jefferson.
I may not agree with their method, but I think I can understand it.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:33 pmComment by President Clinton
How about I do to you what was done to Iraqis under Bush’s compassionate care at Abu Ghraib? Then we’ll see how funny you think you are…
Comment by barfly
Excellent!
June 4th, 2007 at 3:35 pmWhen your running out of energy, it’s always easy to drop the “you’ve lost†statement to give your opponent a false impression.
Here’s the reality, you’ve lost…
You’ve lost
Comment by DumpTROLLER V-1 — June 4, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
Okay, by you’re own definition, you are running out of energy as you have given TMM a false impression.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:36 pm(your words, not mine)
#141
…despite the fact that Jefferson was being investigated for so many things, Pelosi was more than willing to give him leadership positions in Congress.
Name one.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:39 pmSaint Daryll.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:40 pmYou do know indictment does not equal “guilty”, dont you?
so your obessession over all male prisoner butt sex may be just a wee bit premature.
Now get back to your cult before they find out your posting where men and (gasp!) women share ideas.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 4, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
Backpedal all you like, CT. You can’t un-say what you’ve already said.
OK…I can’t wait to see what you’re going to say next…
Was it as easy as you predicted, dolt?
Condemning yourself within the span of two sentences. That’ s got to be some sort of record, even here on TP.
If you’ll excuse me, my Irony-Meter just melted a hole through the floor again. Be thankful you neocon types are incapable of recognizing irony…else, the cognitive dissonance would rupture every blood vessel in your head.
Fo God’s sake…log off before you seriously injure yourself.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:44 pmThe trolls sure are scrambly today. Virtually every liberal on TP believes and believed from day 1 that Jefferson should go to jail if convicted (and the evidence doesn’t look so good for him). Now they are saying we were desperate in our attempts to defend him? Use the google, morons. Your revisionist history is BS.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:51 pmJPark,
No Sh*t! I can’t find a post here that defends the Jefferson. So what is their issue?
June 4th, 2007 at 3:54 pmHere is a question for TP and my sycophant followers…
If you go back on TP’s blog, you can see how they would announce on a daily basis when one Republican congressman was being visited by the FBI, when his business, or his wife was visited by the FBI, etc, etc.
why didn’t TP do the same thing when it came to Jefferson? why do they only put up the Jefferson story after he had been indicted? why didn’t they put up all the other stories against Jefferson? why did they wait until today to say anything about Jefferson?
only idiots on the left, would not see the huge hypocrisy.
this is a farce, a complete and utter farce.
If we on the left really cared about outing corruption, we would have treated Jefferson with teh same contempt that we have treated the Republican congressman that TP has blogged about.
we would have followed this case and blogged about this case the same way that we blog about when we believe there is Republican corruption.
yes, we on the left are huge hypocrites. this is a given, we are also idiots.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:56 pm#182 Daryll
You libs made the decision to defend William prior to this indictment, based on support for your immoral and sinful party.
Let’s see how thoroughly f*cked up you are on this, Daryll. First, the premise is wrong. Us ‘libs’ didn’t defend Jefferson. You pulled that one out of your butt and it bears no resemblance to the truth. Second. we don’t like people of either party lying, stealing, or cheating. Right-wingers like you don’t mind criminal behavior if it’s done by one of your own and benefits your party. Third, go take a look at the number of investigations, resignations, indictments, and convictions of Republicans in the White House and Congress in the past six years and compare it to those of the Democrats. I’ll get you started with some names: Ney, Cunningham, DeLay, Foggo, Allen, Safavian, Libby, Foley, Doolittle, Lewis, Renzi, …
Let me know if you want some more names. The list of Dems is a lot shorter. I’ll let you find those yourself. The bottom line is that you belong to the “immoral and sinful party”, according to your own definition. Pray for mercy.
June 4th, 2007 at 3:56 pmwhy don’t you go back and check out how many stories has done on Calvert, Doolittle and Bohner and then compare that to how many stories TP has done on William Jefferson.
only my tools on the left would claim that we on the left are being fair and equal and that when we see corruption in our pary we treat it the same way as we treat Republican corruption.
my poor, naive, easily fool, easily manipulated tools of the left. So dumb, so uneducated, so poorly informed, so stupid, such idiots. god, I love you guys, you keep us, the Democratic Party, in power.
thank you so very much, thank you.
June 4th, 2007 at 4:00 pmNice, TP.
Keep on deleting my comments. Just great….
Trolls — knock yourselves out!
June 4th, 2007 at 4:06 pmNo Sh*t! I can’t find a post here that defends the Jefferson. So what is their issue?
Comment by Crump’s Brother
That’s essentially what I said in my comment that was deleted. I’m glad you said it, Crump’s Brother.
I’m outta here.
June 4th, 2007 at 4:07 pmComment by President Clinton — June 4, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/06/109-congress/
This is only one example of a story posted before his indictment to prove you’re wrong. Jefferson is listed as reason number 40 in the 109 reasons to dump the 109th Congress.
June 4th, 2007 at 4:09 pmThis is a perfect example that this is not a fight of Dems vs. Repubs, conservatives vs. liberals, but Americans against a corrupt system and corrupt individuals. Finger-pointing at groups (real or imagined) only distracts us from the real issues…which the politicians love.
June 4th, 2007 at 4:09 pmPresident Clinton
Well considering that that is three people and Jefferson is one, I fail to see your point.
June 4th, 2007 at 4:10 pmwhy didn’t TP do the same thing when it came to Jefferson? why do they only put up the Jefferson story after he had been indicted? why didn’t they put up all the other stories against Jefferson? why did they wait until today to say anything about Jefferson?
Comment by President Clinton — June 4, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
In TP’s defense they ran the following on it.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/18/thinkfast-may-18-2006/
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/22/thinkfast-may-22-2006/
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/24/pelosi-jefferson/
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/26/bartlett-falsely-claims-bush-supports-investigation-of-any-allegation-of-public-corruption/
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/15/breaking-democrats-strip-jefferson-of-committee-seat/
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/thinkfast-am-june-19-2006/
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/thinkfast-am-july-11-2006/
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/06/109-congress/
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/11/house-speaker-designate-nancy-pelosi-d-ca/
Note it’s the posters that are pretty quiet in the thinkfasts on it. Nobody really has alot to say about it. But TP did give them the chance.
Just Saying
June 4th, 2007 at 4:15 pmMr. President, you are making a huge a$$ out of yourself. When it is news TP posts it. There have been no new developments with Jefferson until now. There was NO news to be told. Now there is and TP is posting it and you are whining that there isn’t more. We just can’t win can we. Also, we agree that if and when Jefferson is convicted he should go to jail but you have to have something to complain about, don’t you? My grandfather had a word for people like you…Sh!t-disturber.
June 4th, 2007 at 4:48 pmTundra, the reason there isn’t input from poster is most of us think he should go down if guilty. There really isn’t much to comment on.
By the way, whoever said something about Pelosi giving Jefferson committee seats after this happened…look at Tundra’s 5th link. I think somebody should write a book about righties and revisionist history (or possibly delusion).
June 4th, 2007 at 4:52 pmTrolls:
This is such a non-issue that for the very reason we have m12, President Clinton, CompTROLLER V-1, and whole host of minor trolls blogging this topic is proof that your party is fu@ked up! There’s not a single person in here in support of Congressman Jefferson or the corrupt acts of either party. Did you think otherwise? You are so divorced from reality that it’s mind numbing to the average person, let alone thinking people. You trolls are pathetic…do you have any friends? Why come in here when your party doesn’t have the moral history to back up what you idiots are trying to espouse? Everyday you “trolls” (for lack of better term) come in here make your party look like a bunch of fools, spewing unsupported dribble as fact. Repeating the same thing and expecting a different outcome is the definition of ‘crazy’. Move along little trolls. Go back to that dark place under the bridge where you were found.
June 4th, 2007 at 5:33 pmFact Check
Stripped of committee membership:
On May 24, 2006, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi publicly requested his immediate resignation from the House Ways and Means Committee; he declined to do so.
On 15 June 2006, House Democrats voted to strip Jefferson of his committee assignment while the federal bribery investigation continues. Members approved the move after Jefferson repeatedly refused to step aside.
June 4th, 2007 at 5:42 pm(cont.)
On February 16, 2007, safely past the election all about GOP corruption, Speaker of the House Pelosi reinstates Jefferson to the Homeland Security Committee.
As for TP bias — before today, there were a dozen threads with “William Jefferson” and 459 about “Tom DeLay”. I believe that was the point being made earlier.
June 4th, 2007 at 11:33 pmTo Clinton-wannabe and Jake-ass,
June 5th, 2007 at 3:57 amIf you want to complain about bias, why don’t you tell us how many threads redstate and other rightwing blogs devoted to the crimes of Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney, Tom Delay, or Rep. Calvert’s little parked car rendez-vous with a prostitute’s head in his unzipped lap?
BTW, Clinton-wannabe, for someone who calls the left “uneducated,” you certainly make a lot of spelling errors. I’m even willing to give the benefit of the doubt as typos for some of them, but not when you repeat the same ones over and over like “jealouse”(sic). You are certainly no graduate of Georgetown, Oxford and Yale like the real Clinton.
Sorry TripMaster Idiot,
I think I’ve read my “you’ve lost” statement pretty well before submitting it, and there’s no hypocrisy there, just spoofing your lousy tactics.
Apparently, you don’t know what the word “backtracking” means. Please offer substantial evidence to validate your claim before you go falsely accusing people. Your techniques didn’t work so well for the Duke boys, did it?
Let’s hope you’ll stumble back here to read this, thug.
06-05-07: A losing judgment day for TripMaster Monkey’s hypocrisy. Your downplaying of it failed, by the way. Hell, you even attempted to moderate the discussion and silence people, one by one! You probably didn’t even want TP to cover this story! Uh oh, this site may no longer be the leftist totalitarian breeding ground you once thought it was!
June 5th, 2007 at 7:25 amwhen hillary is elected she can pardon William Jefferson for a nice donation to her Presidential Library Fund
June 5th, 2007 at 11:58 amCompTROLLER V-1
June 5th, 2007 at 12:00 pmTripMasterblowsMonkey is an idiot