You must be nieve if so. This gent ain’t going nowhere !

it’s because he’s insecure and crazy – LIKE YOU – Dum bass!

Valiant. just so you know, after reading some of Bruce Gorton’s posts, I have had to reconsider some of my positions. But, not everyone can have the same command of the information as Mr. Gorton. you should probably stick to the profanity and condescension.

A pro-American president who was very careful around his phrasing over America’s enviromental policies and Iraq (I followed the election somewhat.) I wouldn’t take Sarkozy’s support for granted, I don’t think he is as pro-American as all that.

That’s because every generation breeds sick perverts like you, that get off on *torture* from your own f*cked pathology. The reason you “torture” isn’t because you want reliable information, it’s so you’ll feel “empowered” and can deal with your insecurity in a way that acts out. It’s no different than a gangbanger that goes out and randomly shoots someone. It’s not because it brings him “peace”, it’s because he’s insecure and crazy – LIKE YOU – Dum bass!

A Pro-American president that believes in Global Warming, and would be called a “moobat” by you “wingnuts” if he ran in the US…

If you can’t have a war on terror, can you still have a war on poverty? Comment by CaptainMantastic — June 4, 2007 @ 3:01 pm

Terrorism has increased worldwide from your “war-on-terror”, whereas poverty has decreased in the US from our “war-on-poverty”. So yeah, one is working, the other is failing.

Maybe that’s because we aren’t torturing people in the “war-on-poverty”, and people are smart enough to not take the “metaphor” seriously? You’re a dum bass.

Everyone tells you that torture is unproductive. Strange that the practice has survived thousands of years of failure.

That’s not entirely accurate, CM.

Torture has never been a reliable means of extracting intelligence. It is, however, a marvelously reliable means of extracting confessions, real or otherwise.

Torture a man long enough, and he’ll tell you whatever you want to hear.

In the hands of this corrupt and criminal administration, torture (or “enhanced interrogation techniques”, as the neocons call it, as did their predecessors, the Nazis) is a terrorist generator. Given the fact that this administration built its power upon fear of terrorism, such a generator is valuable indeed.

Comment by CaptainMantastic — June 4, 2007 @ 3:18 pm

It survived because torture is not there to gain information. People are, down at the heart of them, vengeful beings who desire to hurt those who hurt us. Torture is not born of the need for information, it is born of the need to punish.

Clinton only had the one attack on American soil by Jihadist elements. The rest were overseas.

Anyway, that you aren’t getting hit at home may be because they are busy isolating you from your allies. Even the UK isn’t as enthusiatic as it was before in this war.

Besides, I’m not desperate to make a silk purse out of Operation Sow’s Ear. Perhaps that has something to do with my not touting the imaginary effects of Bush doctrine.

The US Attorney scandal proves that this WH has been obsessed with loyalty, voter suppression, and “liberals”. This admin has said “If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists.” I don’t think that was mere rhetoric. These guys believe it. And they think liberal democrats are EVIL.

Torture is evil. And I think these guys do get a kick out of torturing people. Come on. Just read the posts from their supporters here. These guys take delight in describing pain and suffering; and they seem to get a rush if it happens with a denial of due process. Torture reveals a lack of good intelligence and a failure to understand “Why they hate us”.

Torture also is counterproductive, but there’s no point in telling a neo-con that. Neo-cons are True Believers. They believe that they’re saving souls for New Jerusalem. They don’t think much of the human body, it’s the eternal soul that counts for them. And the Muslims are the followers of the AntiChrist. Don’t expect any human sense from these people.

Nope. Nor can you have a war on drugs, prostitution, immorality, bad breath… Its all just tired sloganeering.

You can act to reduce drug addiction, to get rid of prostitution, put across that being a horses ass is a bad thing, and brush your teeth, but declaring “war” on it is just propaganda.

Its the same with pollution, unless we are going to bomb Exxon I don’t think it apropriate to say we have a war on there.

Isn’t that the most stupid thing you’ve ever heard?

This is a war without end. I’d kill myself.