Spudge,

As the one claiming that the handful of prisoner abuses were undertaken as part of official U.S.administration policy, it is incumbent upon you to provide the evidence and citations to support your assertion.

See how I demonstrated with citations to numerous to news sources that Al Qaeda was responsible for the summary execution of these three soldiers???? (See postings # 31, 52, 53 and 78) That is who you need to demonstrate your claims — not just by claiming there was a “cover-up” and providing absolutely no cites or links in support of your claims whatsoever.

—————–over and over and over again…

Have you ever heard the term “cover-up” I know you have. Don Rumsfeld was responsible for what happpened at Abu Graib. He had permission from Bush with the legal backing of Alberto Gonzales.

“Your party is in control of Congress now. Contact the House and Senate leadership and ask that they investigate the Abu Ghraib abuse some more.”

I don’t have a party in control. If you mean ask the Democrats to investigate something else, I say waste of time. We need to start impeachment hearings, but that won’t happen, because the Democrats are chicken sh!ts.

It also has to do with not enough votes.

I know you guys like to pretend that the Democrats now hold as much power as the Republicans have for the last 12 years and you know for a fact that it just isn’t true. 2008 can’t come soon enough.

And to round things off, there is plenty of evidence to show that what happened at Abu Graib came from directions right from the top. If you choose to ignore that information, then that is your problem, not mine.

Al-Qaida: Captured U.S. troops killed

By KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer
1 minute ago

“BAGHDAD – Insurgents linked to al-Qaida issued a video Monday claiming they killed all three U.S. soldiers captured in an ambush last month. “They were alive and then dead,” a voice said during a sequence of images that included the military IDs of two Americans still missing.

The nearly 11-minute video by an al-Qaida front group, the Islamic State of Iraq, offered no proof that the soldiers were killed and buried. The U.S. military insisted the massive manhunt south of Baghdad will go”

What was that about Al Qaeda not being involved again????

Well, no…I would say that name-calling is more egregious (and pointless). But I already apologized for the “sic.” Let’s move on.

Spudge, It has been three years since the abuses at Abu Ghraib became public. There have been numerous courts martial and other investigations. And there has been no indication that the abuses were ordered by the administration.

Your party is in control of Congress now. Contact the House and Senate leadership and ask that they investigate the Abu Ghraib abuse some more. If they uncover any evidence that the abuses were at the administration’s calling, I will be the first to join with you in calling for resignations, trials, and punishment.

Comment by Exley — June 4, 2007 @ 5:29 pm

You are wrong. A bunch of low level guys did not give the order. You would know this if you had any military experience. Low level enlisted folks are not left alone all night long to do things like this. In fact low level enlisted people aren’t left alone without superiors to tell them what to do for longer than 15 minutes. Are you gonna tell me that everything at Abu Graib was done in 15 minute chunks with no supervision?

Wrong.

And when you are quoting somebody, nobody in their right mind atributes the misspellings to the person who is quoting.

My calling you a lying sack of crap is not the same a pointing out spelling errors.

I was trying to show that it was not my spelling error. But you are right. I shouldn’t have done it. I apologize.

But then again, you referring to me as “a hypocritical lying sack of crap” is hardly a paragon of civil discourse.

As for the rest of your posting, there is simply no evidence that the criminal abuses that went on at Abu Ghraib were sanctioned by the administration. The military personnel who carried out the worst abuses were tried, convicted, and are now sitting in prison — and deservedly so.

Comment by Exley — June 4, 2007 @ 4:57 pm

And that is why the murders that took place in Abu Graib were against the law and the whole administration should be held for war crimes. Because it was policy.

False.

Comment by Exley — June 4, 2007 @ 5:16 pm

It was policy and you can say all day long that is wasn’t and it doesn’t make you right. If Abu Graib wasn’t policy then why did Ablert Gonzales sign off on its legality.

And don’t correct my spelling stupid fu*k, it makes you look petty.

False.

You are the problem with America. You can’t see the reality in front of your face. That reality is that America HAS ingaged in torture as policy.

Don’t fu*king coem here and lie. Because I know that you know it is a lie.

Are you telling me you don’t understand the difference between killing a terrorist in combat and capturing a soldier live and then cold-bloodedly and summarily executing them?

You may not understand the difference, but international law does. The former is permitted. The latter is a crime.

Oh, go to hell, you pig. Every sane person knows by now that we’ve been abducting people and shipping them off to torture chambers. You make me sick, you unamerican, fascist pig.

Seoul Times had still last week from a purported video of their deaths. It was quite gruesome, and will be infuriating to many, many people. I was surprised at the time to not see any other news about it, but now I’m pretty sure the military must have a copy of the video and be waiting for the right time to release it. Seeing these slow leaks coming out is setting everyone up for its release.

I’m sure they’ll find just the right moment to gin up American revulsion at how horrible “the terrorists” are, probably around an election or a bad news cycle. And about this particular group, they will be right. It’s the timing of how they release information and use the media to achieve political aims that is infuriating, as well as how our poor kids have been sent to a useless war for oil and meet their deaths.

Incorrect, Spudge. Under international law, we are permitted to detain combatants captured on the battlefield or those captured in the U.S. planning to carry out acts of sabotage.

“At which point we started torturing them, at which point some of them died.”

No one was tortured as a matter of policy. There have been a handful of prisoner abuse cases by U.S. military personnel. The difference between us and them is that the U.S. military personnel who abused and killed prisoners have been tried, convicted and are being punished for violating the law. By contrast, this terrorists who killed these three soldiers do not try or punish their members who carry out these atrocities. The atrocities are the very policies by which they conduct themselves. It is their weapon.

“we haven’t heard of the “terrorist” torturing these soldiers before they were killed”

Incorrect. Actually, the body that was discovered in the river last week was described as showing signs of torture.

Moreover, the same organization that claimed to have kidnapped and killed these three soldiers also claimed responsibility for the torture, murder, and mutilation of two U.S. soldier last year. Additionally, the bodies of those soldiers were booby-trapped in an effort to kill those who went to recover the bodies.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/20/soldiers.missing/index.html

Your attempt to equate how the United States treats its captives and how the radical Islamists treat theirs is shameful and you should apologize.

“Which is mainly jobs and poverty.”

yeah..Bin Laden became a terrorist because of poverty….Oh, wait, he’s a multi-millionaire? Never mind.

And that would be playing right into Bush’s hand.

Now, using your logic, the United Staes of America is a terrorist group. We took “enemy combatants” and locked the up. At which point we started torturing them, at which point some of them died.

The only difference between the US and the “terrorists” (as you call them) is that we haven’t heard of the “terrorist” torturing these soldiers before they were killed.

Now, if it is found out that they were tortured, then we are exactly the same. If they weren’t then who is the bad guy?

This is why we have been so against the treatment we have given to the “enemy combatants” the US has in custody. With the way we have treated them, we no longer have the moral high ground and have no right to call others terrorists.

Does this make me anti-American? No. Because I know that Bush and his cabal will be gone sonner than later and American will right the ship Bush is trying to sink.

We will be the good guys again. But first it will take people like you to admit we are/were wrong, apologize to the world community and then get to the job of solving the real terrorist issue. Which is mainly jobs and poverty.