Comments on: Gonzales Contradicts His Sworn Testimony About Bush’s Warrantless Spying Program http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:44:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Lori Flynn http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-2/#comment-3959777 Lori Flynn Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:58:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3959777 I have no idea if this is really true, but: It sure makes sense that AG would implement the whole-deal program, the one that Ashcroft and Comey thought was unconstitutional, as soon as AG became attorney general. And that would mean... that it is probably going on right now. Something a lot more invasive than the known NSA warantless wiretapping-of-communications-with-foreign-people program. What would make sense? Well, how about warantless wiretapping of US citizens, talking or emailing to other US citizens. I have no idea if this is really true, but:
It sure makes sense that AG would implement the whole-deal program, the one that Ashcroft and Comey thought was unconstitutional, as soon as AG became attorney general. And that would mean… that it is probably going on right now. Something a lot more invasive than the known NSA warantless wiretapping-of-communications-with-foreign-people program. What would make sense? Well, how about warantless wiretapping of US citizens, talking or emailing to other US citizens.

]]> By: JNagarya http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-2/#comment-3844830 JNagarya Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:20:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3844830 This isn't "worse than Watergate," as in distinct from it. It is the final chapter of Watergate. Read the following in relation to the AG scandal, which is the iceberg tip -- http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/6/182434/8934 This isn’t “worse than Watergate,” as in distinct from it. It is the final chapter of Watergate.

Read the following in relation to the AG scandal, which is the iceberg tip —

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/6/182434/8934

]]> By: Gonzy should be Gone http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-2/#comment-3844646 Gonzy should be Gone Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:16:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3844646 As much as I love seeing Gonzo squirm, he didn't contradict himself on the wiretap issues sighted in the interview. Gonzo is carefully, but stumblingly, saying "...the program that was confirmed." There's more than one. Of which, he will not discuss. Gonzo: "Mr. Comey’s testimony related to a highly classified program which the president confirmed to the American people sometime ago." "a" As is a specific one, but, you don't know which one because Gonzo won't discuss it. The last sentence in his response to the question has nothing to do with the program in question. He's just not flatly saying that. Gonzo: "And, because it’s(different program) a highly classified program, I’m not going to comment on his testimony. "it’s" What *it*? Which *it* is Gonzo not going to talk about? The longer he stays AG, the more Congress will use his incompetence to lead them to impeaching D!ck and Bush. As much as I love seeing Gonzo squirm, he didn’t contradict himself on the wiretap issues sighted in the interview. Gonzo is carefully, but stumblingly, saying “…the program that was confirmed.” There’s more than one. Of which, he will not discuss.

Gonzo: “Mr. Comey’s testimony related to a highly classified program which the president confirmed to the American people sometime ago.”

“a” As is a specific one, but, you don’t know which one because Gonzo won’t discuss it.

The last sentence in his response to the question has nothing to do with the program in question. He’s just not flatly saying that.

Gonzo: “And, because it’s(different program) a highly classified program, I’m not going to comment on his testimony.

“it’s” What *it*? Which *it* is Gonzo not going to talk about?

The longer he stays AG, the more Congress will use his incompetence to lead them to impeaching D!ck and Bush.

]]> By: JNagarya http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3844195 JNagarya Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:06:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3844195 How much more does it take before they impeach this corrupt criminal loser? Comment by CONservative — June 5, 2007 @ 6:45 pm You care about the rule of law -- correct? You demand the law be enforced? Is that why you willffully remain ignorant of it? THE DEMOCRATS DON'T YET HAVE SUFFICIENT VOTES TO IMPEACH. And the reason they don't is because of the foot-dragging Republicans. So who do you bash because of the foot-dragging? Democrats. There's a website on which only Democrats are bashed. You'd fit in there: Free Republic. How much more does it take before they impeach this corrupt criminal loser?

Comment by CONservative — June 5, 2007 @ 6:45 pm

You care about the rule of law — correct? You demand the law be enforced? Is that why you willffully remain ignorant of it?

THE DEMOCRATS DON’T YET HAVE SUFFICIENT VOTES TO IMPEACH.

And the reason they don’t is because of the foot-dragging Republicans.

So who do you bash because of the foot-dragging? Democrats.

There’s a website on which only Democrats are bashed. You’d fit in there: Free Republic.

]]> By: JNagarya http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3844180 JNagarya Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:58:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3844180 Guys, step back and think about it. The guy is a lawyer and he is talking as one. Comey testified that Bush resolved the dissent by revising the program before he approved it. The REVISED version apparently did not cause dissent, and that is the one the President ultimately signed off on and eventually confirmed publicly. So there is no inconsistency between Comey’s testimony, Gonzalez’s 2006 testimony, or the present Gonzalez statement. He’s just ignoring the original program he proposed and which Ashcroft and Comey refused to agree to. It must have been really, really bad. THAT is what we should be askin questions about, and since it doesn’t exist, there is no excuse of national security to refuse to answer those questions! But that plan will tell us everything we need to know about Gonzalez and Cheney. Comment by David — June 6, 2007 @ 2:41 pm False. Bushit continued the program -- unauthorized, because illegal -- for at least several weeks until the revisions could be worked out. Guys, step back and think about it. The guy is a lawyer and he is talking as one. Comey testified that Bush resolved the dissent by revising the program before he approved it. The REVISED version apparently did not cause dissent, and that is the one the President ultimately signed off on and eventually confirmed publicly. So there is no inconsistency between Comey’s testimony, Gonzalez’s 2006 testimony, or the present Gonzalez statement. He’s just ignoring the original program he proposed and which Ashcroft and Comey refused to agree to. It must have been really, really bad. THAT is what we should be askin questions about, and since it doesn’t exist, there is no excuse of national security to refuse to answer those questions! But that plan will tell us everything we need to know about Gonzalez and Cheney.

Comment by David — June 6, 2007 @ 2:41 pm

False. Bushit continued the program — unauthorized, because illegal — for at least several weeks until the revisions could be worked out.

]]> By: JNagarya http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3844176 JNagarya Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:55:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3844176 Here we go again -- unquestioningly assuming that Gonzales is a perfect liar who never tells the truth, even inadvertently. Ask these questions: Why did the FBI Director threaten to resign over a program _OUTSIDE_ the FBI? Why was the FBI Director in the thick of an issue not involving the FBI? Why did those who threatened to resign NOT include the NSA Director? Isn't it time the media paused, stepped back, and seriously pursued answers to those questions? Here we go again — unquestioningly assuming that Gonzales is a perfect liar who never tells the truth, even inadvertently. Ask these questions:

Why did the FBI Director threaten to resign over a program _OUTSIDE_ the FBI?

Why was the FBI Director in the thick of an issue not involving the FBI?

Why did those who threatened to resign NOT include the NSA Director?

Isn’t it time the media paused, stepped back, and seriously pursued answers to those questions?

]]> By: Wayne A. Schneider http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3844159 Wayne A. Schneider Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:44:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3844159 <i>BTW, is Scooter Libby an attorney? If so, I guess he’s been disbarred. Comment by Kate Henry </i><i> Yes, Kate, at least he was at one time. He was one of Marc Rich's lawyers, and helped get his client a pardon from President Clinton. Remember how the Republicans hated that one?</i> BTW, is Scooter Libby an attorney? If so, I guess he’s been disbarred.

Comment by Kate Henry

Yes, Kate, at least he was at one time. He was one of Marc Rich’s lawyers, and helped get his client a pardon from President Clinton. Remember how the Republicans hated that one?

]]> By: David http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3843463 David Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:41:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3843463 Guys, step back and think about it. The guy is a lawyer and he is talking as one. Comey testified that Bush resolved the dissent by revising the program before he approved it. The REVISED version apparently did not cause dissent, and that is the one the President ultimately signed off on and eventually confirmed publicly. So there is no inconsistency between Comey's testimony, Gonzalez's 2006 testimony, or the present Gonzalez statement. He's just ignoring the original program he proposed and which Ashcroft and Comey refused to agree to. It must have been really, really bad. THAT is what we should be askin questions about, and since it doesn't exist, there is no excuse of national security to refuse to answer those questions! But that plan will tell us everything we need to know about Gonzalez and Cheney. Guys, step back and think about it. The guy is a lawyer and he is talking as one. Comey testified that Bush resolved the dissent by revising the program before he approved it. The REVISED version apparently did not cause dissent, and that is the one the President ultimately signed off on and eventually confirmed publicly. So there is no inconsistency between Comey’s testimony, Gonzalez’s 2006 testimony, or the present Gonzalez statement. He’s just ignoring the original program he proposed and which Ashcroft and Comey refused to agree to. It must have been really, really bad. THAT is what we should be askin questions about, and since it doesn’t exist, there is no excuse of national security to refuse to answer those questions! But that plan will tell us everything we need to know about Gonzalez and Cheney.

]]> By: OneCrankyDem http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3842440 OneCrankyDem Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:43:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3842440 SHHhhhhh, It's too secret to talk about. Besides if I told you I would have to put you in Gitmo. Stall, stall, stall, they think by leaving office no charges will follow them. Our Pres. Candidates have said what about this issue ? chirp chirp chirp SHHhhhhh, It’s too secret to talk about. Besides if I told you I would have to put you in Gitmo. Stall, stall, stall, they think by leaving office no charges will follow them. Our Pres. Candidates have said what about this issue ? chirp chirp chirp

]]> By: Briseadh na Faire http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3842305 Briseadh na Faire Wed, 06 Jun 2007 02:45:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3842305 43 - Two sides, same coin. 43 – Two sides, same coin.

]]> By: Charles Brown http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3842224 Charles Brown Wed, 06 Jun 2007 02:22:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3842224 Sadly, folks, the momentum has been lost. Two months ago, we had the Republicans on the run... there was pressure from Congress, Waxman was embarrassing everyone he questioned, REPUBLICANS were calling for Gonzo to resign. Now, they've drug their feet for so long, the momentum is gone... I see very little interest any more in getting rid of the AG... Republicans have slipped back into the (Repub) fold... threatening now to try to stop any kind of no confidence vote. Momentum is so important, and it's been lost. Why didn't you subpoena these bastards? "Last chance," I read, then "very last chance." I want Rove on the ropes! I want to be done with Gonzo and his minions who politicize the Justice Department. It's too late. "I don't remember" has won the day, and Leahy and Waxman, once warriors with clubs held high, are nowhere to be seen, except saying "Oh, OK" to yet another bunch of Republican hiding, lying, non-remembering, and I'm sure chuckling with each other after the hearings... I am too depressed to speak. We had 'em!!! We had 'em, and the bumbling Congressmen let 'em get away. When are we gonna see some Democrats with cochones?!?!? Charlie Sadly, folks, the momentum has been lost. Two months ago, we had the Republicans on the run… there was pressure from Congress, Waxman was embarrassing everyone he questioned, REPUBLICANS were calling for Gonzo to resign. Now, they’ve drug their feet for so long, the momentum is gone… I see very little interest any more in getting rid of the AG… Republicans have slipped back into the (Repub) fold… threatening now to try to stop any kind of no confidence vote. Momentum is so important, and it’s been lost. Why didn’t you subpoena these bastards? “Last chance,” I read, then “very last chance.” I want Rove on the ropes! I want to be done with Gonzo and his minions who politicize the Justice Department. It’s too late. “I don’t remember” has won the day, and Leahy and Waxman, once warriors with clubs held high, are nowhere to be seen, except saying “Oh, OK” to yet another bunch of Republican hiding, lying, non-remembering, and I’m sure chuckling with each other after the hearings… I am too depressed to speak. We had ‘em!!! We had ‘em, and the bumbling Congressmen let ‘em get away. When are we gonna see some Democrats with cochones?!?!?

Charlie

]]> By: Briseadh na Faire http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3842187 Briseadh na Faire Wed, 06 Jun 2007 02:06:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3842187 There wasn't any serious disagreement. Going to Ashcroft's hospital bedside was just Alberto, clowning around. Geebus, can't an attorney general have a little fun? There wasn’t any serious disagreement. Going to Ashcroft’s hospital bedside was just Alberto, clowning around.

Geebus, can’t an attorney general have a little fun?

]]> By: Fed the Fcuk Up! http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3842112 Fed the Fcuk Up! Wed, 06 Jun 2007 01:40:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3842112 #39, Looking for truth from a lawyer or a politician is like looking for a virgin in a whorehouse. #39,

Looking for truth from a lawyer or a politician is like looking for a virgin in a whorehouse.

]]> By: veritas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3842111 veritas Wed, 06 Jun 2007 01:39:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3842111 Isn't this called "perjury"?? Lying under oath before congress?? It is in my book. Isn’t this called “perjury”?? Lying under oath before congress?? It is in my book.

]]> By: John Seed http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3842064 John Seed Wed, 06 Jun 2007 01:14:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3842064 I hate to say this, but I understand how they parse language. If confronted, AGAG will say that his statement was factually correct; highly misleading but factually correct. "There has not been any serious disagreement about the program the President has confirmed." Since the program the President has confirmed is the one that was modified to meet the demands of the DoJ, then the statement is factually correct. Disingenuous, deceiptful and misleading, but he can't be charged with perjury, unless a prosecutor can convince a jury that the statement was intended to deceive. I hate to say this, but I understand how they parse language. If confronted, AGAG will say that his statement was factually correct; highly misleading but factually correct.

“There has not been any serious disagreement about the program the President has confirmed.” Since the program the President has confirmed is the one that was modified to meet the demands of the DoJ, then the statement is factually correct. Disingenuous, deceiptful and misleading, but he can’t be charged with perjury, unless a prosecutor can convince a jury that the statement was intended to deceive.

]]> By: notanumber http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3842044 notanumber Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:58:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3842044 Disbarment! It is time for the bar to become involved. Disbarment! It is time for the bar to become involved.

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3842006 dixie blood Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:42:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3842006 <em>The longer I’m an Atheist the more absurd god-beliefs become. Yet you can lead 85% of this country around by that nonsense… No wonder the Founding Fathers made us a Democratic Republic. The problem is that it’s been turned into an elitist oligarchy… Appalling. Comment by unbelievable — June 5, 2007 @ 8:13 pm</em> And...I'm very angry that not one Congress Critter had the guts to ask her if she also filtered the hires she was overseeing with questions like: "Are you born again?" "Do you believe in Jesus?" etc, ph*cking, etc., ph*cking etc!!! Our government is being stacked with reich-wing Christianistas and it must be stopped at the grass-roots, mainstream demominationalist level!!! The longer I’m an Atheist the more absurd god-beliefs become. Yet you can lead 85% of this country around by that nonsense… No wonder the Founding Fathers made us a Democratic Republic. The problem is that it’s been turned into an elitist oligarchy… Appalling.

Comment by unbelievable — June 5, 2007 @ 8:13 pm

And…I’m very angry that not one Congress Critter had the guts to ask her if she also filtered the hires she was overseeing with questions like:

“Are you born again?”

“Do you believe in Jesus?”

etc, ph*cking, etc., ph*cking etc!!!

Our government is being stacked with reich-wing Christianistas and it must be stopped at the grass-roots, mainstream demominationalist level!!!

]]> By: DutchHenry http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3841999 DutchHenry Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:38:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3841999 When are they going to impeach this shameless pile of crap they call Attorney General ? When are they going to impeach this shameless pile of crap they call Attorney General ?

]]> By: darth vader http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3841990 darth vader Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:34:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3841990 am i missing something? - have any dem or repub pres. candidates or anybody for that matter from those parties commented on gonzo including pelosi? - i don't live in the u.s. but i haven't read any statements by any of these people in relation to gonzo - can anyone bring me up to speed? am i missing something? – have any dem or repub pres. candidates or anybody for that matter from those parties commented on gonzo including pelosi? – i don’t live in the u.s. but i haven’t read any statements by any of these people in relation to gonzo – can anyone bring me up to speed?

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/comment-page-1/#comment-3841984 Zooey Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:29:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/gonzales-spying/#comment-3841984 <em>BTW, is Scooter Libby an attorney? If so, I guess he’s been disbarred. Comment by Kate Henry </em> Since he's a convicted felon, he should be disbarred. BTW, is Scooter Libby an attorney? If so, I guess he’s been disbarred.
Comment by Kate Henry

Since he’s a convicted felon, he should be disbarred.

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