Kristol turns on Bush.
Kristol turns on Bush.
“Will Bush pardon Libby?” Weekly Standard editor William Kristol asks. “Apparently not — even if it means a man who worked closely with him and sought tirelessly to do what was right for the country goes to prison. … So much for loyalty, or decency, or courage. For President Bush, loyalty is apparently a one-way street; decency is something he’s for as long as he doesn’t have to take any risks in its behalf; and courage–well, that’s nowhere to be seen. Many of us used to respect President Bush. Can one respect him still?”
(HT: Julia)
UPDATE: The Washington Post: “In the White House, Pardon Is A Topic Too Sensitive to Mention.”
The prospect of a pardon has become so sensitive inside the West Wing that top aides have been kept out of the loop, and even Bush friends have been told not to bring it up with the president. In any debate, officials expect Vice President Cheney to favor a pardon, while other aides worry about the political consequences of stepping into a case that stems from the origins of the Iraq war and renewing questions about the truthfulness of the Bush administration.
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yes, if he doesn’t pardon Libby.
(and gets us out of the war in Iraq)
as for Kristol–can anyone respect him? even if he does turn on Bush (he’s actually just one in a long list of folk for whom the koolaid is beginning to wear off.)
June 5th, 2007 at 11:06 pmWhat took Kristol so long to know the real Bush?
June 5th, 2007 at 11:07 pmOMG… Bill Kristol turning AGAINST George Bush? Clearly, the End Times are upon. The Rapture crowd must be coming in their Depends.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:07 pmRepuke feeding frenzy, y’all.
Life is good. :-D
June 5th, 2007 at 11:07 pmkristol talking about respect… oh. my. god… this from the man who has been working from the karl rove manual of barely disguised defamation and slander, masked in war lust… what would YOU know of respect, william kristol…? absolutely nothing…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
June 5th, 2007 at 11:08 pmMeh, he’s just worried this means he won’t get a pardon either.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:09 pmRepuke feeding frenzy, y’all.
Life is good. :-D
Comment by Zooey
Indeed. The cannibals are starting to eat each other. Actually, rather entertaining to watch, no?
June 5th, 2007 at 11:10 pmyes, if he doesn’t pardon Libby. (and gets us out of the war, and implements some real climate friendly policies, etc.)
as for respect for Kristol…i’m afraid not, even he does take Bush to task. he’s just one of many folk for whom the koolaid is beginning to wear off.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmI’d really like to hear the Bill Kristol deffinition of cronyism
June 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmIs this really a surprise? The Zionists gotta stick together you know.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:12 pmI’m waiting for that magic moment when a couple of arch CONS get into a heated “I’ve hated Bush longer than you have” pissing contest on national media. THAT should be eye-poppin’, jaw droppin’, good fun, and you KNOW it’s coming.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:12 pmIndeed. The cannibals are starting to eat each other. Actually, rather entertaining to watch, no?
Comment by the republic of stupidity
Very enjoyable. :-)
June 5th, 2007 at 11:13 pmLoyalty,decency, courage, and treason.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:14 pmFox News fixed a transcript of Kristol being interviewed by Wallace and even Wallace lost it when Kristol said, and I paraphrase:
“Who wouldn’t be prepared to sacrifice a few more sons and daughters for the president’s policy in Iraq”.
Murderous bastard Kristol.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:16 pmAs Bukharin said, “The Revolution eats its own”
June 5th, 2007 at 11:18 pmVery enjoyable. :-)
Comment by Zooey
And it’s only going to get better and better. The Reichwing in this country is collapsing faster than a bad souffle in a cheap French restaurant. Reservoir dogs, indeed.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:18 pmLoyalty,decency, courage, and treason.
Comment by marlow
Parsley, sage, rosemary, and thyme… the 4 Spices of the Apocalypse…
June 5th, 2007 at 11:21 pmSince when has the smearing of a life-long US diplomat , as well as the outing of his covert officer CIA wife , ever been considered as being “right for the country” ?
This Kristol clown really needs to be fitted with a muzzle …….
June 5th, 2007 at 11:22 pm“So much for loyalty, or decency, or courage. For President Bush, loyalty is apparently a one-way streetâ€
Hey, Kristol, are you Big Oil? Wall Street? Big Pharma? Multi-National? Of course not, you dope. You’re just a piece of sh—t mouth piece for the right-wing rag. And that includes Libby. Words of consolation: suck it up and learn to live with it.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:24 pmAnd it’s only going to get better and better. The Reichwing in this country is collapsing faster than a bad souffle in a cheap French restaurant. Reservoir dogs, indeed.
Comment by the republic of stupidity
Heh. I like that analogy.
My concern is will the Dems/Progs stand up as the Repukes fall down? Oy….
June 5th, 2007 at 11:25 pmKristol exemplifies what has caused the neo-cons to crash. . . believing they can commit crimes, ignore the law or just screw over Americans and not be held responsible. He’s angry because one of their own has finally been held accountable. Bush will pardon Libby but not until he’s just about to leave office.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:27 pmYeah Kristol is turning on Bush for not pardoning Libby…. but on the basis that Libby is going to jail for doing nothing wrong.
I can’t think of an angle in which this is useful information.
Would it be equally important if Kristol turned on Cheney for not revealing the WMDs we found in the Iraqi-Al Qaeda Youth Club compound in Ramadi ?
June 5th, 2007 at 11:29 pmKristol is just trying to pressure Bush to pardon Libby a fellow Neocon.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:29 pmKristol – first against the wall.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:30 pmHey, Bill: Did you hear about his service record? Courage is a stranger to your President.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:31 pmKristol is just being Kristol. He is w h i n i n g about something absurd. This time it is because Chimpy is so far being smart on this issue (an extremely rare occurence). There is a brain neuron that is telling him that the Presidential Library, undoubtedly funded by the military and oil companies that he made billions for, will be not only empty but absolutely empty on Saturday’s in the fall if he pardons this weasel now. Ya see, its not all hopeless in Chimpy’s brain. Tsk, tsk all you skeptics.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:31 pmComment by the republic of stupidity — June 5, 2007 @ 11:18 pm
I replied to your lovely analogy tros, but it disappeared into cyberspace. Now I’m in a snit. :{
June 5th, 2007 at 11:34 pmLibby’s appeal will drag this out till the end of this year, so if he serves time it would be about one year in prison, then Bush pardons him as he leaves office in January 2009.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:34 pmIf there is one thing that EVERY intelligent being should be certain of at this time, due to mountains of empirical evidence, is that you should never believe a word that slithers out of Kristol’s mouth.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:35 pmHow insanely reprehensible , contemptible and downright despicable is this Kristol-meth loser ?
Just like all the jackass neo-cons and Chimpy administration members, they aren’t upset at committing crimes ; they’re upset that one of them has been caught , convicted and sentenced.
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ?
And these bits of dog dreck claim to be “patriots” ?
June 5th, 2007 at 11:41 pmThis is nothing new for Kristol. He chastised Bush in 2001 for not starting a war with China over the 24 shot down airmen, and just a few weeks ago said Bush walks around with a kick me sigh on his back. The neocon code is forget morality just take what you want and the hell with everyone els.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:41 pmhttp://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/apr2001/chin-a15.shtml
Repuke feeding frenzy, y’all.
Life is good. :-D
Comment by Zooey
If we were in the same area we’d be cracking open the champaign. Yippee!
June 5th, 2007 at 11:44 pm“For President Bush, loyalty is apparently a one-way street; decency is something he’s for as long as he doesn’t have to take any risks in its behalf; and courage–well, that’s nowhere to be seen.”
– Two points: ONE — he’s just realizing this NOW?
and TWO — why does anyone pay any attention to what William Kristol says anymore?
June 5th, 2007 at 11:46 pmIf we were in the same area we’d be cracking open the champaign. Yippee!
Comment by shane
Yes indeedy!
FYI: Mr P ass kicking taking place on the thread below. I can’t stick around for it. Waaah! Can you?
June 5th, 2007 at 11:46 pm“William the Bloody” speaks.
The ones who need confinement and evaluation more than he, are the fools who listen to this vile ChickenHawk PUNK.
It offends me that this sick bastard draws air daily – let alone gets airtime.
I hope I live long enough to see someone publicly slap that f’ing smirk off his face.
And I take no shame or remorse in saying I have a fine bottle of Champagne – who’s cork is waiting to get popped – the same day this evil man meets his maker and relieves us of his subhuman villainy.
(Better yet, I’d like the chance to open it in his posterior orifice while he can enjoy the experience.)
Kristol, Thy name is SCUM – just like your daddy.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:53 pmwilliam the bloody is nutty
June 6th, 2007 at 12:14 amThis makes me SO want Bush to pardon Libby. With Kristol’s accuracy in punditry, this would surely result in Bush’s impeachment, or scabies or something.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:17 amAdvocating for a pardon for the man who covered up your own wrongdoing would be a further act of obstruction of justice. I’m sure Mr. Kristol doesn’t expect Mr. Cheney to do that.
The “honesty and loyalty” that so excites Mr. Kristol seems driven by a quest for power, and not an awareness of or respect for the Constitution, the law of the land, or responsible government. Mr. Kristol’s brand of “conservative” leadership is more common in the pages of a Mario Puzzo novel or the Bush White House than in the halls of a constitutional democracy.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:39 amThere was no impeachment of Clinton over Frank Rich’s pardon.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:41 amOh, now they wake up….give me a break….it is just more repukian talk for, “We support our criminals.”
They all suck.
You suck too Jake the Fake
June 6th, 2007 at 12:50 amHow exactly can a President be impeached for doing exactly as the Constitution allows?!
June 6th, 2007 at 12:54 amHehehehe. It´s like bashing Hitler for not being violent enough.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:02 amKristol, a man of real principle, loyalty trumps patriotism. Isn’t there a boat leaving from somewhere that we could put this guy on?
June 6th, 2007 at 1:04 amYou got 2 homosexual soldiers that are put out on a perimeter LP, and are they gazing over their weapons, keeping a good lookout?
NO, they’re in the bottom of the foxhole, sucking each other off.
This is the type of thing thats losing the war for America.
And women cant even do 40 push ups, how do you expect THEM to fight?
June 6th, 2007 at 1:06 amJesus, Bloody has a bigger hard-on for Libby than he does for Bush! I didn’t think that was possible.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:08 amEr, ah, could we please ban ppl like Jonesy Jones, this kind of sick posts do not belong on any site.
Please clean it up pervert
June 6th, 2007 at 1:09 amJake, how can one idiot be so stupid on the same board everyday, every string, all day long? You must be the dumbest the 28%tile has to offer. If you cannot see anything wrong with the current administration and can justify all their actions, you are a traitor, work for KKKarl Rove, and are a fascist. I lived through Nixon and this bunch of thugs makes Nixon look like a good man. Get a life and go to redstate.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:09 amFolks, guess which poster have not been laid in a while?
June 6th, 2007 at 1:10 amHow exactly can a President be impeached for doing exactly as the Constitution allows?!
Comment by Jake
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The Constitution doesn’t allow for your stupidity ; move your dopey ass , along with the rest of your Chimpy adoring brethren , to a deserted island………
June 6th, 2007 at 1:11 amYou got 2 homosexual soldiers that are put out on a perimeter LP, and are they gazing over their weapons, keeping a good lookout?
NO, they’re in the bottom of the foxhole, sucking each other off.
This is the type of thing thats losing the war for America.
And women cant even do 40 push ups, how do you expect THEM to fight?
Comment by Jonsey Jones
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According to Genius Jones here , it’s actually homosexual sex and women’s inabilites that are on the march in Iraq ; what a novel concept……….How’d you jump out of McCarthy’s 1950’s , to this point in time ?
June 6th, 2007 at 1:14 amJake, how can one idiot be so stupid on the same board everyday, every string, all day long?
Comment by kasinca
The troll named Jake is only here to derail threads with inflaming posts. He is really boring, IMO.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:15 am“Kristol turns on Bush.” – TP headline
Interesting headline. Do you think Jeff Gannon joins in for a three-pete?
June 6th, 2007 at 1:19 amOne of Kristol’s PNAC buddies is getting the shaft. That ingrate Dubya just doesn’t know his place in the scheme of things.
Maybe Kristol will make Dubya an offer he can’t refuse…..
Cheers,
June 6th, 2007 at 1:22 amFor the record, I did not agree with Bush signing McCain-Feingold. Whew! At least I’m not a traitor, working for KKKarl Rove, and a fascist now.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:24 am#37 Jake:
How exactly can a President be impeached for doing exactly as the Constitution allows?!
Because the same friggin’ Constitooshun allows for impeachment. Oh, yeah, I ferget you’re hard of reading…..
Cheers,
June 6th, 2007 at 1:28 amKristol is just praying that his rag won’t fold for lack of readership, and that he will continue getting these cushy talk show gigs, if he can position himself now as a moderate. Too late.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:28 amI think that Jonesy is a parody troll, no one is THAT stupid are they?
40 pushups? Please. Try 400.
Not that I can do them now (should have kept that up) but there was a day.
You got 2 homosexual soldiers that are put out on a perimeter LP, and are they gazing over their weapons, keeping a good lookout?
NO, they’re in the bottom of the foxhole, sucking each other off.
Comment by Jonsey Jones
So, you talking from personal experience here? You seem to know an awful lot about what goes in foxholes…
June 6th, 2007 at 1:30 amHow exactly can a President be impeached for doing exactly as the Constitution allows?!
Comment by Jake — June 6, 2007 @ 12:54 am
Looks over the Constitution. Looks over the writings of the Framers explaining said Constitution. Nope, I don’t see “Politicize the Judicial Branch and Law Enforcement”. In fact…wait…*gasp* I do believe the Framers intended for the legal system (and that includes the Department of Justice, buddy) is supposed to be apolitical in its work. The Constitution and the Rule of Law are all that the courts, including the DoJ, are supposed to be beholden to.
You do not politicize the judicial system, or Rule of Law is second to political loyalty. When you join the DoJ, you swear an oath to serve the Constitution, the Rule of Law and We the People. Not Party, and not the President of the United States. The Constitution, the Rule of Law, and We the People. And, like most jobs at such levels of government, you protect those things you swore that oath to from enemies both foreign and domestic. Politicizing the Department of Justice is a clear and present danger to the Republic, and anyone engaging in such behavior is a domestic enemy.
June 6th, 2007 at 3:26 amApparetnly Kristol thinks loyalty and decency involves ignoring that Libby is a convicted criminal. This is not so much against Bush as it is a defense of Libby and how “wronged” he is. Whatever happened to the conservative mantra of “taking responsibility” for oneself? Libby is and has been convicted and sentenced. He brought himself to ruin. He is an intelligent man, a lawyer no less, and willingly broke the law, perhaps thinking he would get “pardoned” by the useful idiot. The court of law, which Kristol and all the others who most likely think Libby is “innocent” (for how could such a nice and loyal servant of the Republican party be a criminal) found him guilty of obstruction and lying to the grand jury. He was not a servant of the people. He showed contempt for the people. He was only a loyal, pornography writing, servant of Cheney and the Republilcans. Mary Matalin and James Carville ought to read his book to “the children”
June 6th, 2007 at 5:40 amWell, so some of the “soon-to-be-indicteds” will have to think twice about keeping mum. Maybe sing like a bird and go for a deal, rather than hoping for presidential loyalty and pardon? Gooood thing.
Mr Kristol is not quite right in his mind, btw.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:41 amKristol is mad because one of his PNAC buddies got caught,so he turned against Bush for not letting Libby go free by pardoning him.
He is talking about loyalty ..but to who? not to the American people,not the Constitution.. but to Scooter Libby !!
Kristol went further to even question the ‘respect’ to the President,because Libby was caught.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:04 amBush and Cheney could care less about the political consequences of a Libby pardon. They know the American people (including Republicans) are walking away from them on every issue. Bush’s petulance and Cheney’s arrogance will only lead them further from rational governance. At this point they simple don’t give a shit.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:29 amahould we all be thankful that kristol sees the truth and the light now……. cause he is on spot with this one….
Bush ain’t gonna help his pals that kept him out of trouble. He’s a big bully.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:48 amBilly Boy just doesn’t get it. NOT pardoning Libby is what will demonstrate “courage” on the part of Bush (can’t believe I actually want to see him succeed at something). Then again, considering that its from Kristol who has yet to be right on a single thing related to Iraq…I guess I’ll take what he says with a grain of salt.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:28 amthank you bill kristol for helping me to affirm my commitment to non-violence. Because if there is anyone I want to give a poch in the tuchus, it’s you, putzhead.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:43 amI predict a pardon, and I can’t wait.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:45 amActually Kristol is being consistent here:
He seems to think that breaking the law is acceptable so long as it is for the right reasons, i.e. for the benefit of America.
Of course, one can then ask, how do we ensure that the reasons are right? In TV shows, the law-breaker is always excused or justified because he/she turns out to be right. Unfortunately, the world isn’t quite so simple as that; for example we can’t be sure someone is a terrorist- and treat them as such- unless they have been tried fairly.
In Libby’s case, he might well have served his country or whatever, but he’s been caught in a grubby scandal trying to cover up for the administration’s error. That isn’t the right reason for a pardon.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:24 amIf Kristol’s slamming Bu$h, it’s only because he’s following orders from Karl.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:31 amsee georgie jump…see how high georgie jumps.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:45 am.
Kristol is a**hole and should not be listen to. He helped to promote this illegitimate presnut and his war. So Bill go F*ck yourself. Your option means nothing except to your small audience. Libby should go to jail directly to jail and not pass go. I’m sure one of these crooked repugs will start crying on the floor to get him pardoned. The Repugs are just one big war mongering joke.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:46 amIn all honesty when I saw that headline I had to check the calendar to see if it was April 1.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:47 amKristol is a chickenhawk neo-con proto-fascist lying war-monering running dog lack of the Bush/Cheney imperalism cabal. Kristol is a war criminal who should be hauled off to the Hague, tried, convicted, and locked away for the rest of his life. Since this man has been utterly, completely wrong at every step of the way for the past six years, one wonders how he even manages to cross the street each morning without a seeing eye dog.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:57 am“Many of us used to respect President Bush. Can one respect him still?â€
I’m not quite sure that 28% of Americans equates to “many”, but in Kristol’s world, I guess it does. He want Bush to pardon someone who committed treason. How is that showing any support for this country?
June 6th, 2007 at 9:19 amLibby Pardon and Depraved Indifference
June 6th, 2007 at 9:34 amNot only did this administration cook up propaganda to lead America into war, it deliberately suppressed factual assessments of the dangers that would face our troops. The Military, the State Department and the CIA each clearly warned of the “harm’s way” our troops would encounter.
For political purposes these intelligence warnings were not only buried, they were actively shunned and ignored. This is criminal behavior which, with one hundred per cent certainty, led to troop’ deaths and maimings.
A Libby pardon would condone the establishment of a propaganda apparatus in the Executive branch. It would condone a conspiracy to provide false information to Congress. It would set free the sole conspirator caught criminally lying to protect his boss and other executive branch participants.
A Libby pardon would condone the criminal opposite of ’supporting the troops’ that in fact Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith and others actively participated false pronouncements which resulted in American deaths.
(cognitorex)
Hell, this is a compliment if it is coming from Kristol
June 6th, 2007 at 9:35 amLibby worked hard for the country; as did Bill Clinton. You could make the argument that in both cases, it was that hard work and their positions and the zealous nature of the political opposition, that landed them in trouble they wouldn’t have been in, if the positions weren’t as scrutinized. Libby wasn’t guilty of the crime, he was guilty of the cover up – that’s a political crime. Clinton was guilty of infidelity in the white house. That’s not a crime, the crime was he lied under oath – to protect himself politically. The scrutiny comes from the nature of politics. If it’s more likely that you will be scrutinized more and more intensely until the opposition finds something to hang you on, it’s going to become more and more difficult to find people to do the jobs. Libby lied under oath. That is very significant. Bill lied under oath, too. Libby’s going to jail for 2 and a half years. Would you leave a good job to serve in an administration, when the goal of one half of the country or the other is intent on seeing you taken down? To the point they want you to go to jail? I’ll keep my day job.
June 6th, 2007 at 9:56 amBwahahahaha, Billy Boy can’t ‘respect’ Bush BECAUSE BE WON’T PARDON A CRIMINAL THAT PROTECTED HIS ASS!
I suppose Kristol’s idea of respectability is when you properly reward your criminal cohorts.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:05 am#72 Captain,
Anybody with reasonable level of judgement will not compare the case of Clinton to the case of Libby,by any means .
I am neither ‘liberal’,nor supporter of Clinton..but logic dictates that the two issues are not at the same bar.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:08 amOooh, big secret, hush hush, don’t mention a word about …
June 6th, 2007 at 10:14 amDare we say it?
Pardon?
Go ahead and pardon his criminal ass, chymp, just make for a bigger Democratic landslide in Nov 08.
Captain:
Clinton lied to avoid being caught in an extra-marital affair.
A civil offense, by some standards. Not all standards.
Scooter Libby lied to obstruct a judicial investigation.
A criminal offense. By all standards.
Clinton was tried, and aquitted.
Libby was tried, and convicted.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:51 amYou know its true when Jon Stewart says it. (not quoting, but….) with the recent statements on Immigration Reform, the base is finally giving up on Bush. of course its scary when Iraq, Katrina, huge deficits and corruption didn’t sway their feelings about Dear Leader, but MAYBE there’s hope…..20%, here we come! (and lets impeach Gonzo, Rice and Cheney!)
June 6th, 2007 at 10:57 amKristol will soon be calling Bush a Liberal.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:01 am. Libby wasn’t guilty of the crime, he was guilty of the cover up – that’s a political crime.
ahem… it’s absolutely amazing to me that conservatives think Libby’s behavior is OK in any way. He basically lied to protect himself from the bigger charge of exposing an undercover US agent. So we should pardon him for the lesser crime and ignore the obvious one? You people are pathetic, boot licking hacks. You don’t give a shit about the Constitution nor the rule of law- except in cases where your “enemies” are the target. You allow people like Scooter, Alberto, Tom, etc.. get away with CRIME because you support their political affiliation. You are more than happy to throw a 3rd strike petty criminal in prison for 20+ years for a lowly drug possession charge, yet an upper echelon US government figure commits a borderline treasonous act against the wife of a man who was critical of this administration’s LIES, and your twisted sense of justice forces you to scream for a presidential pardon. You people are fucking idiots.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:17 amJake, Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, not Frank Rich; btw, when are you going to take the GED test again?
June 6th, 2007 at 1:48 pmCaptain Mantastic, can we assume your day job is being Karl Rove and that you’re wearing leather underwear?
Kristol will soon be calling Bush a Liberal. – Comment by kelso
This isn’t as much of a stretch as you might think. One of those idiot Republicans on the debate last night said that Bush was a failure because he “spends like a Democrat”, or something like that. “If we’re going to spend stupidly, leave it to the Democrat professionals, rather than the amateur Republicans.”
I forget who it was and the precise wording, but this is close.
Bottom line, they’re already distancing themselves from their catastrophe of a president, and trying to recast him as some kind of confused Democrat wannabe. Disingenuous arsewipes, the lot of them.
June 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pmWingnuttia has been claiming for a while that their hero of 3 yrs ago -GDubb is not a “true” conservative. Its not conservatism that’s failed. Oh, no, its because GDubb is a spendthrift. Well, sheet, why should I believe what any “real conservative” says since they have been talking about what a wonderful Christian Corporate Compassionate Conservative GDubb is? This is like listening to Bill Kristol who’s been wrong about everything. My mama didn’t bring up no dummy.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:49 pm