Petraeus: ‘We Haven’t Started The Surge Yet’
In April, during the congressional debate over war funding, Gen. David Petraeus pushed back against a withdrawal timeline from Iraq “because we’re only about two months into the surge,” assuring Congress that he would be able to report on progress in September:
We’re only about two months into the surge. We won’t have all the forces on the ground until mid-June and I pointed that out to them, and noted that Ambassador Crocker and I would be doing an assessment in early September and provide that to our respective bosses at that time.
But now that the debate on timelines has passed, Petraeus is asking for even more time. Today in an interview with Lara Logan of CBS News, Petraeus tried to argue that the surge hasn’t even started yet:
We haven’t started the surge — the full surge — yet. So let me have a few months.
Watch it:
Petraeus also recently backtracked on his promise to provide an assessment in September and said, “I don’t think we’ll have anything definitive in September.”
There is no doubt that escalation is underway. President Bush announced his escalation plan on Jan. 10, but even before that date, the Pentagon had started sending additional troops to Iraq. Despite a brief lull at the beginning of the surge, sectarian murders in Iraq are on the rise again. Car bombings, chlorine bombs, and the use of children as bombers have all also increased. May was not only the deadliest month for U.S. troops in 2007, but also the third deadliest month in the entire war.
Digg It!
Transcript:
LOGAN: General Petraeus acknowledged the last few months here have been deadly, with U.S. casualties soaring. Fifteen died just this past weekend. That will be one of the issues he faces when he testifies on the progress of the surge in September.
[LOGAN CLIP]: Is there anything you see so far that would indicate you would recommend a withdrawal?
[PETRAEUS CLIP]: We haven’t started the surge — the full surge — yet. So let me have a few months. I’ll answer that in September.
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the Surgin’ General rides again…
June 5th, 2007 at 4:01 pmGeneral Betrayus.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:03 pmPetraeus, don’t betray us! Get this job started already.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:03 pmI’m sure the troops who have gone already and been killed and/or injured as apart of this surge appreciate that view.
Awesome!!
June 5th, 2007 at 4:03 pmShameless.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:07 pmDarth vader serving the emperor.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:08 pmIf Patraeus hasn’t started the surge yet, he is blatantly incompetent and should be fired.
Accountability can not be dismissed so cavalierly.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:09 pmriiiiiight. It never started. And, on top of it, we’re fighting for freedom and democracy to, huh General??
The propaganda from these people seems to be endless….I sometimes can’t believe their arrogance.
The new “surge” will most obviously be there to protect even more economic interests…
Dennis Kucinich told us about the realities of this recently. Some interesting reading:
June 5th, 2007 at 4:10 pm“Revealed: Why Your Sons and Daughters Died in Iraq”
http://www.populistamerica.com/ revealed_why_your_sons_and_daughters_died_in_iraq
Thes A-Holes are stupid
People who always make excuses are lazy AND dumb
why is america run by idiots?
cant the wealthy be happy if they get rich and the usa DOESNT go bankrupt? or will that spoil their fun?
June 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pmIs a surge slow as molases? Only in King George’s world
June 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pmFailure not an option, en, Petraeus? Like all the other generals before you in this U.S. occupation in Iraq, you will come around and admit failure; failure in supporting this BFL (Big Fat Lie) of George W. Bush’s occupation of Iraq.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pmStupid inbred redneck repuke troll.
This job isn’t getting started. It was over before it started.
The surge is already a failure and has zero chance of succeeding.
Iraq is a clusterf*ck and the only option is to get out. Now.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI emailed my two democratic senators (Baucus and Tester) and left phone messages before the vote, and they still voted to give Bush a blank check. You got played guys, now what?
I got a letter from Tester asking for money to get our democratic governor re-elected and threw it in the trash. Its early now, maybe next time.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pmThanks for confirming your your status as a loyal neocon stooge, General.
You really do deserve the appellation of “Betrayus”.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:12 pmAmericans and Congress were duped.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:12 pm“Why Your Sons and Daughters Died in Iraqâ€
I can answer that in one simple word…
OIL.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:12 pmPetraeus: ‘We Haven’t Started The Surge Yet’ - - John Paul Jones he ain’t.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:14 pmDidn’t he just say the other day that we’re going to be there for 50 years? Hasn’t the administration been comparing Iraq to South Korea? Aren’t we spending one billion dollars on the biggest embassy complex anywhere in the world?
Next month - next year - next decade - next century. It’s all the same to them.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:14 pmThis is what we told those individual democrats would happen if they voted for the insane and criminal war spending bill, this shameless parrot who does anything King George wants him to do, sells his men out for a mission that he knows will only needlessly take many more of my fellow American soldiers lives. Shameful and disgraceful !
June 5th, 2007 at 4:14 pmLeonard Clark (the Damn Liberal)
Persian Gulf/Iraq War Occupation III Vet
Chair of the Bloody John McCain Recall Committee in Arizona’
NO MAS ! Not One More American Soldier Should Die In Iraq !
6-05-07
What kind of “SURGE” takes 6 months?
SURGE!!!
June 5th, 2007 at 4:16 pmSo the uptick in mayhem, death, destruction and flag-draped coffins is something else altogether, not a ’surge’?
June 5th, 2007 at 4:22 pmDo all the troops killed since January 10 get a do-over?
General Stupid Git.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pmWe will be in Iraq at least 30 years.
That’s how long the oil leases will be.
Coincidentally, thats how long it will take Big Oil to steal all of Iraq’s oil.
Chimpy recently boasted that he will “fix” Iraq so that even the Dems won’t be able to get us out.
If either Hillary or Obama get elected, they will stay.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:23 pmf it
June 5th, 2007 at 4:26 pmAmericans and Congress were duped.
Comment by pol — June 5, 2007
I am tired of that word being used in conjunction with Americans.
Duped.
It infers that we were tricked. No one here is being tricked. People either don’t care or (in some cases) support blindly whatever is going on. There’s no trickery here. People were saying no, even as it was being finalized. This is not a government of the people, for and by the people.
Revolt. 2008 is too late.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:28 pm“Surge”? What surge? Who said anything about a “surge”?
I’ll be giving an updated status report to the president in September, but I won’t be reporting about any “surge”.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:28 pmSo we are going to win this war after all. You will be able to tell if we won by .. ummmm .. You can tell we are winning by the amount of WMD’s we find .. ummm.. no, not that .. ummm … You can tell by the amound of civilians that we kill .. ummm .. No, not that either. Oh, I know! Winning means having a puppet government sign their oil away to USA Corporations. Yeah, that’s IT!! Winning means stealing oil for many years. yeah.
So whats a little blood spilt matter. At least my SUV can get a full tank!
June 5th, 2007 at 4:30 pmWho is surprised? Seriously when has anyone connected to the Presidentional arm of the BFEE ever told the truth about anything? Ever? That’s why I’m so angry with the Dems in Congress - they are Charlie Brown and Bush is Lucy with a football.
Some one needs to tell the little brat, “no!”
June 5th, 2007 at 4:33 pmComment by Leonard Clark — June 5, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Thanks for the post. Well said. And I can see none of our cowardly trolls have showed up to thump their war mongering chests. We owe you big time.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“We haven’t started the surge — the full surge — yet.”
“So let me have a few months.”
He said full serge, meaning all troops are not in place yet, he also said give me a few months. This is early early June. Then there is July, August, and September. September is a few months away.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:42 pmMaybe the surge hasn’t started because the worn out, dismembered, and severely battle-weary soldiers they yanked back into battle in the form of a “surge” haven’t had enough prosthetics, therapy, or Valium yet before gearing up for fighting?
June 5th, 2007 at 4:44 pm#28 Comment by powkat — June 5, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
I’m so angry with the Dems in Congress…
Don’t generalize. There are many Democrats that are doing the right thing. Lets throw out the others. But please, don’t lump all Democrats together. That smells like biggotry.
… they are Charlie Brown and Bush is Lucy with a football.
This is the perfect psychological analogy! Bravo!
June 5th, 2007 at 4:45 pmJust taking orders from the Commander and Chief. . . . nothing more, nothing less.
June 5th, 2007 at 4:45 pmThat’s it. We are never leaving - it should be clear to all by now. How does everybody feel about getting lied to AGAIN?
June 5th, 2007 at 4:46 pmHere, I’ll save the trolls some trouble:
“What’s wrong with you defeatist libs? He didn’t say there is no surge yet - he clearly said ‘ the full surge’. TP is being misleading, as usual. Do you think a surge happens overnight? Proper surges can take years to implement. Sad, stupid libs.”
June 5th, 2007 at 4:48 pmDo the troops know the surge hasn’t started yet?
Apparently, there’s a second surge now.
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration is quietly on track to nearly double the number of combat troops in Iraq this year, an analysis of Pentagon deployment orders showed Monday.
Way to go, Democrats! All you’ve done is given him time to double the number of troops in country, making it even more difficult to get them out. We’ve been Septemberboozled!
June 5th, 2007 at 4:51 pmThe good thing about these news is that nobody is dying.
mmm…yeah…What…?!!
June 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pmThis political hack is just this generation’s version of General Westmorland. Will we ever learn?
June 5th, 2007 at 4:55 pmWe seem to be surgin’ into ‘em into there just a little quicker than IEDs are surgin’ ‘em back out. Quick, General, more cannon fodder to the front! Why do the generals hate their soldiers so much?
June 5th, 2007 at 5:02 pmI suppose the increased frequency of the dirge will announce the arrival of the full surge. Excuse me whilst I purge
June 5th, 2007 at 5:06 pmi wish you all could have heard what randi has been talking about the past hour… the best thing would be to listen to the podcast…
but she’s been talking to this lady about this story, and more:
Whose Oil Is It, Anyway? by Antonia Juahsz
http://www.bushagenda.net/article.php?id=369
fascinating…
June 5th, 2007 at 5:10 pmPetraeus must have become “Hispanic”. Mañana, mañana, mañana.
June 5th, 2007 at 5:10 pmSeptember statement “We are NOW ready to BEGIN the surge.”
–Gen. David Petraeus
June 5th, 2007 at 5:14 pm[Second try, as TP swallowed the first one.]
This is the way propaganda works. The Big Lie. Make it as big as possible, and people, not believing you would be so audacious as to make such a big lie, will believe it is truth, regardless of mountains of evidence and common sense. Worked for OJ. Worked for Hitler. Works for the neocon regime. Some quotes/paraphrases of The Big Lie.
1. “I’m a uniter, not a divider.”
2. “I’m the decider.”
1. “We’re in Iraq because of 911.”
2. “We never said there was a connection between Iraq and 911.”
1. “Major combat operations are over.” - mission accomplished speech
2. “We never said mission accomplished.”
1. “We must stay the course.”
2. “Ours has never been a stay the course strategy.”
1. “We’re the party that supports the troops.”
2. “Let’s relax in the hot tub on The Dukestir paid with the blood money of the saps dying in Iraq.”
1. “We’re the party of personal responsibility.”
2. “Have I made any mistakes? None that I can think of.”
1. “We’re the party of moral superiority.”
2. “Hey Billy, have you ever seen a Senator’s naked?”
1. “The surge is underway.”
2. “The surge has not started yet.”
1. “We will have an answer in September.”
2. “We will not have an answer in September.”
1. “We will not be in Iraq one minute longer than necessary.”
2. “Our involvement in Iraq may last decades.”
1. “Global warming is a fraud.”
2. “Europe should think about taking action against global warming.”
1. “We must secure our borders.”
2. “We must sell our ports to dubious regimes and give illegal aliens amnesty.”
1. “Our response to Katrina could have been better.”
2. “Yer doin a heckuva job Brownie.”
1. “We must live within our means.”
2. “Here, let me sign that $trillion IOU to China.”
1. “We’re addicted to oil.”
2. “I need a fix - send another 150,000 troops to Iraq.”
1. “I will protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
June 5th, 2007 at 5:18 pm2. “I can do whatever I want while pissing on habeas corpus, freedom of choice, freedom of speech, free press, freedom from religion, separation of powers…”
Tell that to the families of the several hundred killed since it started Genassfu(keral.
June 5th, 2007 at 5:21 pmThe Surge started nine months ago:
|
| U.S. Pulls Back From Al-Anbar To Secure Baghdad
|
| September 15, 2006 — A senior U.S. commander said today that the
| effort to subdue Sunni insurgents in Al-Anbar Governorate has
| become secondary to the “main effort” of securing Baghdad to
| avert civil war.
|
| Lieutenant General Peter Chiarelli, the No. 2 U.S. general in
| Iraq and the top operational commander, acknowledged that
| commanders have siphoned troops from Al-Anbar, weakening the
| military’s strength there, to build up the U.S. presence in
| Baghdad.
| …
http://www.rferl.org/ featuresarticle/ 2006/ 09/ 00a157cb-93e9-48ca-87dc-3c17a611537a.html
June 5th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThings will always be better, we’ll see some progress in six months or in a short period of time.
Always the same mantra repeated over and over again by Bush and his long list of yes men generals. WHAT a joke! I can’t wait to see how much “significant progress” is made when the oil deal goes down.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:00 pmComment by gorn by any other name — June 5, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
It worked for the J*ws too. I mean, the h*locaust?
Gimme a break, you know, what a lie!!!
June 5th, 2007 at 6:15 pmDid your trolling give a l’il woodie, Mr President?
Emphasis on l’il.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:22 pmSeveral hundred Americans have been killed and thousands wounded since we haven’t really started surging yet (and surely many more Iraqis).
June 5th, 2007 at 6:28 pmGeneral Betrayus indeed.
“Why Your Sons and Daughters Died in Iraqâ€
I can answer that in one simple word…
OIL. Comment by Tom3
Tommy - What do you use to lube your bicycle chain and sprockets???
June 5th, 2007 at 6:29 pmDid your trolling give a l’il woodie, Mr President?
Emphasis on l’il.
Comment by gorn by any other name — June 5, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
First of all, I don’t really know what you guys mean by “troll” (republican/conservative/old white guy????), so when you use the word in verb form I don’t quite follow.
I take it you are referring to my example (of which their are many) that shows that your “big lie” mumbo-jumbo does not have a solid foundation to support it (meaning, if we were to except what you said as a general rule we would have to assume that any major event of the past or that we have not personally witnessed etc., etc., e.g. U.S. slavery, Crusades, et cetera, are in fact lies).
June 5th, 2007 at 6:31 pmTwo Items from NPR today:
the Shia Militias are back on the street ethnically cleansing neighborhoods of Sunni Families.
US Troops were hit by an IED which was about 100 yds , and in Plain sight, from an Iraqi Police Roadblock. Some of the police fled, some had the cr*p beat out of them by the enraged American soldiers.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:31 pmsome had the cr*p beat out of them by the enraged American soldiers.
Comment by Badger — June 5, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
That’s how we “train” them.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:36 pmMr. Troll President, defender of propaganda and doublespeak: spare us your obfuscation. The public record speaks for itself.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:40 pmMr. President…you are missing the Point.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:45 pmThe Iraqi Police….which we are training, and hope to hand the country over to, have either planted an IED, or sat back and watched someone plant it ,in order to KILL our troops. Fortunately None were killed. That …or the professional training we give OUR Troops , probably prevented some justifiable homicide!
Mr. Troll President, defender of propaganda and doublespeak: spare us your obfuscation. The public record speaks for itself.
Comment by gorn by any other name — June 5, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
It’s not double speak, you can’t just assume the “big lie” premiss, you have to have EVIDENCE.
You haven’t even given an inclination to what this so-called “Big Lie” is about.
All you have done is to paraphrase statements made by the govt in such a way that they appear to contradict each other.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:48 pmThe oxymoronically named “Progressives” and their predictable anti-war rants are directly attributable to the temper tantrum nature of spoiled six year olds subjected to too many “time outs” ……(Prog child overheard in market “I WANT it NOW!!!!”)
June 5th, 2007 at 6:49 pmFirst of all, I don’t really know what you guys mean by “trollâ€
“A troll is someone who intentionally posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait users into responding” Wikipedia
We actually call it trolling, hence the name “troll”.
I troll conservative sites like Redstate, but they kick me off everytime. They do not believe in freedom of speech. But i just make another email and do it again.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:49 pmComment by Badger — June 5, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
No, I got the point.
So did the lazy-ass Iraqis who sat by and watched the shit go down.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:49 pmProgs would have subjected the ROTTEN Iraqi police to boring monologues by Al Gore and John Kerry - now THAT’s torturous!!
June 5th, 2007 at 6:51 pmMr. AssTroll President, defender of propaganda and doublespeak: spare us your obfuscation. The public record speaks for itself.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:52 pmMr. President…you are missing the Point.
A redundancy.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:52 pmComment by paland — June 5, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
No shit?
So you guys didn’t make the term up?
I’ll be…
That doesn’t quite describe me though… you know, since I’m really just amusing myself and I don’t really care if anyone responds.
But you should see Michael, that describes his technique to a tee!!!
June 5th, 2007 at 6:53 pmTP is to trolls as Democrats are to the Bush administration.
Ineffective, impotent, and unable to affect change.
June 5th, 2007 at 6:56 pmPaland - YOU are an excellent example why Progs should never be allowed to teach Government Classes. You are only due freedom of speech as guaranteed by the Constitution - WHICH REGULATES THE FREEDOMS INDIVIDUALS ARE GUARANTEED UNABRIDGED BY THEIR GOVERNMENT. Of course, their are “hazard” limits to speech…..but RedState is a PRIVATE entity and if they don’t want to hear what you have to say - THAT is their right.
And thanks to Think Progress, the powers that be are smart enough to know the threads with active troll participation generate the most action. Go figure…..Who knew????
June 5th, 2007 at 6:57 pmAhhhh, Mr. President, another one who understand the theory of visiting the zooooo…..
June 5th, 2007 at 6:58 pmHey valiant venus,
You’ve spent three months slavishly repeating the talking point handed down to you, “the surge in working!”
And now, Patreus and his overlords pull the rug out from under you.
Let me be the first to say, “Bwah ha ha ha haaaaaaa! Sucker! Pwned!!!!!!”
June 5th, 2007 at 6:58 pm“That doesn’t quite describe me though… you know, since I’m really just amusing myself and I don’t really care if anyone responds.” - Mr. President
Is “anyone” the new name of your inflatable doll?
June 5th, 2007 at 6:58 pmBut you should see Michael, that describes his technique to a tee!!!
Yes is does describe michael, and valant too. You might not be intentionally trolling but it still is a bit. But I wouldn’t worry about it. Most on here like the trolls. Without them, it gets a bit boring reading the same message post after post.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:01 pmsince I’m really just amusing myself
A rather pathetic way of doing so, I must say.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:01 pmValiant, Redstate might be a PRIVATE entity but it is in the public domain. And whether they want to hear what I have to say - THAT is their right. Yep, I don’t deny them their right. But they still don’t believe in freedom of speech. That doesn’t mean the Constitutional freedom, just freedom of speech in general.
Oh, I’m not quite progressive. I own a gun, I believe in less government, I agree with the Convervative view on emminent domain, and I believe in fiscal responsibility. But I disagree with them on more things than I agree with, and I especially don’t like the dominionist Christian idealogy. But, I also don’t agree with all of the progressive ideals either. I am my own party.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:09 pmMost on here like the trolls. Without them, it gets a bit boring reading the same message post after post.
There’s a difference between honest and spirited debate that’s on topic, and completely f-ing up thread after thread as a ploy to divert attention away from the thread’s topic.
A system that allows for the banning of the most blatant fringe abusers is all that’s needed to keep the psychotics at bay and discipline contrarians enough to stay reasonable and on topic.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:13 pmAnd thanks to Think Progress, the powers that be are smart enough to know the threads with active troll participation generate the most action. Go figure…..Who knew????
Comment by valiant venus — June 5, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
This is true. Rawstory learned that the hard way when they changed a month or more back. They since have change back a bit but they lost a lot of traffic.
I think trolling is fun if done right. I have several characters. I try to stay in character. I don’t answer any remarks or replies. I don’t get into any flame wars, and I try to make a point with my trolling. It can be a lot of fun.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:14 pm“Oh, I’m not quite progressive. I own a gun, I believe in less government, I agree with the Convervative view on emminent domain, and I believe in fiscal responsibility. But I disagree with them on more things than I agree with, and I especially don’t like the dominionist Christian idealogy. But, I also don’t agree with all of the progressive ideals either. I am my own party.”
June 5th, 2007 at 7:15 pmSee, this is the kind of person that makes it interesting, as opposed to the screeching, lip-twiddling nonsense of Mr. President, VV, Jake, and my gawd so many others.
I feel a “heckuva job” from W is in Petraeus’s future.
At least the Roman Empire had competent military leaders.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:28 pmComment by gorn by any other name — June 5, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
thanks gorn. I try not to be influenced by any politics, but it is hard to do in this age.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:29 pmAnd thanks to Think Progress, the powers that be are smart enough to know the threads with active troll participation generate the most action. Go figure…..Who knew???? Comment by valiant venus — June 5, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
And countries with a large Al Qaeda presence generate the most *action* (terrorism) as well. But that doesn’t mean that the *civilized* world wants you acts of violence, mayhem and discord - Osama Ben Venus… In otherwords - STFU, you obnoxious, st*pid c*nt.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:37 pmThe oxymoronically named “Progressives†and their predictable anti-war rants are directly attributable to the temper tantrum nature of spoiled six year olds subjected to too many “time outs†……(Prog child overheard in market “I WANT it NOW!!!!â€) Comment by valiant venus — June 5, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Another “Project much” for Osama Ben Venus, and her “Six Year Old Temper Tantrum”… While you WANT IT NOW, WORLD WAR THREE isn’t gonna be fought so you can have “The Rapture” and make Israel the “Seat for God”. STFU you terrorist piece of sh*t.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:38 pmWe’re only about two months into the surge. We won’t have all the forces on the ground until mid-June
This is the same statement as this…
We haven’t started the surge — the full surge — yet.
Which isn’t contradicted by this…
There is no doubt that escalation is underway. President Bush announced his escalation plan on Jan. 10, but even before that date, the Pentagon had started sending additional troops to Iraq.
Do you not feel lame pretending to find contradictions when you can’t even bring yourself claim that they are ?
Petraeus has said that the surge doesn’t yet have the full amount of extra troops yet. You’ve said that there’s no doubt that some of the extra troops have arrived. The same thing.
June 5th, 2007 at 7:59 pmThat’s only because you have no appreciation for what anyone in the military thinks and you’re kind of an arsehole for pretending that you do.
Troops. You think troops who are told by their theatre commander in a warzone that a troop escalation will take several months, and who already knew this would be the case what with them being troops and all, will be pissed that this assessment doesn’t change mid-way through that period. Right.
June 5th, 2007 at 8:05 pmOh look out, I’ve misread this.
You’re not pretending to suggest that troops have no idea what troop deployments involve or that they will be annoyed by their theatre commander having an unchanged assessment of that.
In fact you’re not pretending to voice invented concerns of deployed troops at all.
You’re pretending to speak on behalf of dead US soldiers with the same know-nothing appreciation of what deployment in a war zone involves.
Well, you’ve certainly outgrown the word “arsehole” there haven’t you.
June 5th, 2007 at 8:11 pm“Car bombings, chlorine bombs, and the use of children as bombers have all also increased. May was not only the deadliest month for U.S. troops in 2007, but also the third deadliest month in the entire war.”
ONCE AGAIN, ThinkProgress is spreading the LIE THAT CHLORINE BOMBS are being used in Iraq.
• These are NOT WMD Chlorine bombs. They do NOT kill with chlorine. The chlorine is NOT intended to be deadly as a gas.
But ThinkProgress can’t overcome it’s desire to spread this lie.
The chlorine — prevalent in Iraq BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGAL US BOMBING OF WATER WORKS IN IRAQ (and failure to repair same) — is being put into those bombs as an OXIDANT.
It’s makes the boom bigger.
It is not WMD, and it is not a chlorine bomb.
June 5th, 2007 at 8:14 pmWe’re only about two months into the surge.
This is the same statement as this…
We haven’t started the surge
Um, you think these mean the same thing? Haven’t started the surge yet we’re two months into the serve? These DO contradict each other!
June 5th, 2007 at 8:15 pm“There are some who feel like that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is bring them on,” Bush said. “We’ve got the force necessary to deal with the security situation.”
“White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Bush’s combative tone was not meant to invite attacks on Americans.” — USA Today, July 03
NO, of course not! THIS was meant to invite attacks on Americans:
“Looting became rampant because ammunition sites were inadequately guarded. David Kay, the former chief US weapons inspector said that looting was so bad during the fall of 2003 that Iraqis were going in at night individually and in trucks. “There were just not enough boots on the ground, and the military didn’t give it a high enough priority to stop the looting. Tens of thousands of tons of ammunition were being looted, and that is what is fueling the insurgency.â€
“The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) confirmed Kay’s account and in a 9 November 2003 DIA report, noted the vast majority of explosives and ordnance used in anti- coalition improvised explosive devices have come from pilfered Iraqi ammunition stockpiles and prewar established caches.â€
“…Use of these devices was rare until the summer of 2003.
and Bush’s statement, “Bring them on!”
“Before IEDs became the weapon of choice, coalition forces were predominately attacked with small arms and RPGs, items commonly found in ammunition caches. RPG-7s were the leading casualty producer, responsible for 50 percent of U.S soldiers killed in post-war operations until use of IEDs significantly increased in 2004.9 “IEDs continue to be the greatest casualty producer among our troops in the field,†General Abizaid said during a 3 March 2004 House Armed Services Committee hearing.10 Six months later with the IED problem continually growing, General Richard Cody, Army Vice Chief of Staff, stated in an interview in September 2004 that 500 to 600 IEDs go off every month and are now responsible for about 90 percent of killed and wounded.”
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/ksil72.pdf
Thanks, George! Thanks, Republicans! Thanks, trolls!
You supported the troops into plastic bags.
June 5th, 2007 at 8:27 pmHey Kilo, I already predicted your post back in #34. You should have saved yourself the trouble.
June 5th, 2007 at 8:46 pmHey Kilo, I already predicted your post back in #34. You should have saved yourself the trouble.
Comment by gorn by any other name
Nice one….
June 5th, 2007 at 9:10 pmFIGHT ON ANTI OCCUPATION IRAQI RESISTANCE FREEDOM FIGHTERS !!!
THE WORLD SUPPORTS YOU IN YOUR STRUGGLE TO REPEL AND EXTERMINATE THE OIL STEALING INVADING INFIDELS !!!
MAY GOD BE WITH YOU ALL IN YOUR TIME OF NEED AND STRIFE !!!
June 5th, 2007 at 10:10 pmYou guys are pathetic. Just leave the war to those of us who care and who are actually sacrificing something for it. The rest of you people, back to your armchairs.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:11 pmNo, they don’t.
You also know that they don’t, which is why you deleted parts of the the quoted text before you claimed this.
What are you fkn 5 years old if you think this is going to fool somebody ?
June 5th, 2007 at 11:35 pmYeah good one.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:44 pmReally stuck it to those trolls by beating them to the punch in pointing out that TP is inventing contradictions and misrepresenting statements and how troop deployments commonly occur to their woefully uninformed readers who won’t know any better.
What a zinger.
You guys are pathetic. Just leave the war to those of us who care and who are actually sacrificing something for it. The rest of you people, back to your armchairs.
Comment by Amy Proctor — June 5, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
All this way just to dump a cheap ‘ad hominem’. Was it really worth the effort Amy? Can you add anything to the discussion - I’m going to guess you are not worth reading.
Oh by the way, one of your Democrat ‘lies’ from the debate - you should probably do a little more objective analysis before you make long lists. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ articles/ A28876-2005Feb16.html Ooh, Bush’s Iraq war DID create more terrorists, lots more…. CIA says so.
I spent 15 seconds on your site - I don’t feel inclined to waste anymore.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:47 pmPetraeus is just another way of saying “Stay the Course”.
Come on… you knew it was true as soon as he got the job. That’s a prerequisit for even being considered.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:54 pm“You guys are pathetic. Just leave the war to those of us who care and who are actually sacrificing something for it. ” — Amy Proctor
Those of you who care so much you don’t care that Bush failed to write a single order to guard the munitions in Iraq so they could not be looted.
IEDs need explosives to make the boom. Bush handed out at least 274 metric tons of HMX, the best boomer in the world, to hostiles of our troops.
Do you, Amy the troll, have ANY idea how large a pile of 274 metric tons is? You’re talking about at least 30 ten ton trucks full. But the US doesn’t have any spy satellites under Bush. We don’t have enough boots to guard, under Rumsfeld. We don’t have any way to put that genie back into the bottle, so deploying more troops into a NIGHTMARE manufactured by Bush and Rumsfeld is nothing like ‘caring.’
—-> You hate the troops.
YOU JUST SUPPORT THE POLICY.
June 5th, 2007 at 11:55 pm“What a zinger.” - kilo
It must hurt to be so predictable.
“Just leave the war to those of us who care and who are actually sacrificing something for it.” - Amy Proctor
That would exclude the Bush administration, who don’t care, and are sacrificing nothing.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:41 amYou tell me. Fox has apparently made 3 racist presentations this week. Did it hurt when you made a predictable response for each ?
Print a lie.
Commentor calls it a lie.
What a predictable commentor.
Yeah run with that kid. That’s a winner.
Meanwhile I’ll remain the only reader here apparently able to question the accuracy of what I read reported by a news source and criticise such inaccuracies and misrepresentations.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:59 amI’ve not ashamed of my role in that state of affairs. You ?
Kilo = Seixon
June 6th, 2007 at 1:54 amSeixon = Some norwegian guy who stopped posting a year ago who you still haunts you.
June 6th, 2007 at 2:31 amThe invasion of Iraq REMAINS illegal and immoral.
It remains an act of aggressive war, and it WILL be tried that way, sooner or later, because the neocon justification is falling to pieces, and because as the Guantanamo JAG officer said this week, “We cannot just invent some new legal system.”
Arguing about whether Betraeus is for real or just yanking our chain like CENTCOM has throughout this entire embarassing/horrifying clusterfk is a task worthy of you, Kilo, because apparently you are incapable of imagining how EVIL what has been going on is.
It’s all just a mistake, bad advice, bad intel, the liberals letting you down, failings in the will of the master race, etc.
ANYTHING, but recognize that genocide is illegal, and aggressive invasion and violation of evey conceivable international war standard is NOT OK.
June 6th, 2007 at 3:55 amAll BS he will wait till the last minute to give his report to Congress. Then he will say that he needs more time and more troops and more money. Same shit just another day. These people love their war so much they will never end it. This war is too important to military industrial complex and their war mongers to get their cut for re-election. Sorry state this country is in. Thanks you Repugs.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:56 amfollowup to Tom3’s comment
“Why Your Sons and Daughters Died in Iraqâ€
I can answer that in one simple word…
MONEY. (oil is just a way of making money)
June 6th, 2007 at 10:25 pm