Military Denies Honorable Discharge To War Critic, Approves Pace’s Political Advocacy For Libby
Military Denies Honorable Discharge To War Critic, Approves Pace’s Political Advocacy For Libby
A military panel recommended this week that Iraq war veteran Marine Cpl. Adam Kokesh, “who wore his uniform during an anti-war protest, should lose his honorable discharge status, brushing away his claims that he was exercising his right to free speech.”
While the Marine Corps was actively working to repudiate “opposition groups and individuals” like Kokesh, Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was advocating — in his official capacity — on behalf of “Scooter” Libby.
After Libby was convicted of “lying to investigators and a federal grand jury examining the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity,” Pace wrote a letter endorsing Libby’s character, specifically noting his “selfless” nature and his penchant for examining decisions “legally and morally.”
I was always very impressed with Mr. Libby’s professionalism and his focus and attention to the matters at hand. He impressed me as a team player when addressing issues and with his selfless approach to his wide-ranging responsibilities. … From my perspective dealing with Mr. Libby on national security issues, he served the United States Government extremely well.
The administration appears to oppose the political advocacy of uniformed officers, except when they’re advocating on behalf of administration policy.
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154 Responses to “Military Denies Honorable Discharge To War Critic, Approves Pace’s Political Advocacy For Libby”
“I was always very impressed with Mr. Libby’s professionalism and his focus and attention to the matters at hand.”
a lot of criminals may be nice people when you get to know them, but they’re still criminals… this is no excuse for someone to escape justice…
June 6th, 2007 at 4:15 pmThat’s ok, I’m sure the Democratic President will be happy to reinstate it for him in a few short months.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:17 pmIt occurs to me that there was a controversy before the election about uniformed members of the military being present at fundraisers and other campaign events for the Republicans. But it was all in the press and the military never got on it. None of those uniformed military folks even got a whiff of official disapproval, at least not that was visible to the public.
But now a guy protests the war in his uniform and it’s time for a panel. I guess the military is only so serious about not politicizing the uniform.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:17 pmPeter Pace picked a pack of pompous politicians.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:17 pmWe deny freedoms and rights here so they can have them there? Unbelievable…
June 6th, 2007 at 4:18 pmfscking hypocrites…….
June 6th, 2007 at 4:19 pmGeneral Pace better pack his bags when the Democrats take over the government in 2009. And General Betrayus too.
The military used to believe in being non-political. Chimpy destroyed that and wrecked the military in the process.
It is going to take years to rebuild, like it did after Vietnam.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:19 pmBadmoodman,
Hilarious as usual.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:20 pmThanks.
Terrorists hate us for our Fred Thompson.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:21 pmHow very - how you say - ah, yes - Republican.
Decent people can no longer call themselves Republican - it has become an obscenity.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:22 pmPace should were a patch above his medals that reads
“This Marine bought by Haliburton”
June 6th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThere’s a sayong about the difference in treatment of officers and enlist that fits this situation. It says “different spanks for different ranks”. A general does it, and get’s his balls fluffed. An enlisted member does something, and gets ‘DA HAMMER! It’s an age old militay tradition.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:24 pmBTW, this dude KNEW what he was doing was illegal due to the discharge paperwork he had signed, and from when he was active duty. It is driven into uniformed personell that they cannot be seen at political rallies while in uniform, lest their actions be seen as being endorsed by that branch of service. ….just sayin…..
Chimpy has wrecked the military by politicizing it.
Just like Chimpy has wrecked the Justice Department by politicizing it.
And the rest of the Federal government has been wrecked too.
Chimpy and the Repukes are wrecking our government.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:25 pmAnd General Boyton who wore his uniform (and was active duty) to talk to conservative Christian groups - telling them that ‘our God’ is the real God and Allah is a false god’ - is he getting a dishonorable discharge?
Oh, silly me IOKIYAR.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:26 pmTerrorists hate us for our Fred Thompson.
Comment by Patrick1 — June 6, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
Actually terrorists hate us for our homosexuals - the same reason *you* hate us. Funny how that works, isn’t it NED?
June 6th, 2007 at 4:27 pmApparently there are two rule books….?
June 6th, 2007 at 4:28 pmyour more employable now because you know the difference between wrong and right - I would rather give you the job, your more honest , smarter and have a conscience
June 6th, 2007 at 4:28 pmWhat is really dangerous about Chimpy’s politicizing the military is that it makes it much easier for him to use the military for his upcoming coup.
Between now and the election, Chimpy will order another false-flag attack on US cities. Cities didn’t vote for him, so he doesn’t care if they get nuked.
Then Chimpy declares martial law and detains the Democratic party and prominent leftists in his Gulag. It is the only way he can keep his Iraq occupation going on for 30 years with any certainty. And that’s his number one goal, because he’s a Big Oil whore.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:30 pmNow I understand why suddenly Bush started to listen to the commanders on the ground. They’re really in his pocket. And our brave soldiers are following and dying for this sorry bunch of lemmings. Any military or civilian attached to the armed forces should run,not walk away from any further support of the leader-challenged.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:31 pmChimpy’s Pentagon has kicked out 11,000 troops for being gay (probably some were just suspected of being gay)
This included most of the Army’s Arabic translators.
We are short on manpower and cannot afford this foolishness, but all the Repuke candidates support banning gays from the military.
Even Trudi Giuliani.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:32 pmCpl. Adam Kokesh - well done you did the right thing to do
June 6th, 2007 at 4:32 pmApples and oranged TP, apples and oranges.
——————————————————-
I think it’s sad and telling how many here have viciously attacked Petraeus and now Pace.
If only your representitives in DC would be as honest.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pmthis is a country that rewards war criminals with the medal of freedom. please tell me why i should be surprised at the duplicity of the marine corps.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pm…And he didn’t even “wear his uniform” at all as he had removed the insignia in the first place.
It’s good to get confirmation that the top brass are turds after all. It’s tiresome how many people have been somehow house-trained to “not criticize the military” or “demean the people the people that defend our freedom” or to not “insult our troops”.
Yeah…. RIGHT!
June 6th, 2007 at 4:35 pmGeneral Pace
“From my perspective dealing with Mr. Libby on national security issues, he served the United States Government extremely well.”
You could Only feel this way if you think that helping to thwart an investigation into the outing of a covert non-official cover operative, who’s expertise was WMD in the Middle East, was good service.
The facts are clear Gen. You are a tool.
You obviously think a high level government official that knowingly attempted to subvert the justice system of his country is noteworthy and worthy of leniency.
I weep for my country
June 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmZooey, depending on your chain of command, there are always 2 rule books. And by the letter of the law (UCMJ) people can’t attend a rally in uniform (regardless of rank), or participate in any on duty political propoganda, right or left. I have even been in units where members had to seek approval for their commanders before attending political function while off duty, and out of uniform.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmCpl. Adam Kokesh - well done you did the right thing to do
Comment by Tobey Tall
I agree. I’m proud of Kokesh for doing the right thing.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmDifferent spanks for different ranks??? Look at this situation more closely. This was not two people doing the same thing. One was using his free speech rights to oppose an ujust war and was NOT ACTIVE-DUTY. The other (General Pace) was defending a man who tried to cover up a CIA agent being outed, and he is ACTIVE DUTY.
Also, one man is saying we need to stop our crimes in Iraq, and the other is defending a convicted criminal and saying he should not face justice. One is calling for less crimes, and the other is defending crime.
The way the military is treating Cpl. Kokesh is completely unAmerican.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmApparently there are two rule books….?
No, just one, namely that you don’t openly criticize your superiors, the President and the Secretary of Defense.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:39 pmIt occurs to me that there was a controversy before the election about uniformed members of the military being present at fundraisers and other campaign events for the Republicans. —- Wally
IOKIYAR=== Its ok if you are a republican
June 6th, 2007 at 4:40 pmWeed Fields of Afghanistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjSzaNkbfWM
these soldiers are having fun - heaven
June 6th, 2007 at 4:41 pm” BTW, this dude KNEW what he was doing was illegal due to the discharge paperwork he had signed, and from when he was active duty. It is driven into uniformed personell that they cannot be seen at political rallies while in uniform, lest their actions be seen as being endorsed by that branch of service. ….just sayin…..
Comment by Craig Mack — June 6, 2007 @ 4:24 pm”
Actually……
You CAN wear your uniform, you just can’t wear any insignia, medals, or name tags.
If I want to dress up in my Military Uniform, I can just as long as I make sure to remove all the items mentioned above.
Otherwise, it would be against the law for SURPLUS stores to sell fatigues.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:41 pmWhat a set of f’ing hypocrites.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:43 pmTerrorists hate us for our Fred Thompson.
Comment by Patrick1
Uh…I guess. I’m sure even terrorists hate Law and Order actors that pretend that they could be President.
But Democrats and Republicans alike get a laugh out of watching that douche Tommy Thompson.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:44 pmYou couldn’t really expect more from a completely corrupt Regime like Bush-Cheney’s, could you?
June 6th, 2007 at 4:44 pmin other news, the US military also announced support for Pace’s overt homophobia…
June 6th, 2007 at 4:44 pmRetired Gen. George Washington Criticizes Bush’s Handling Of Iraq War
http://www.theonion.com/ content/ news/ retired_gen_george_washington
June 6th, 2007 at 4:46 pmPeter Pace and Petraeus are both third- or fourth-tier military men, at best. The true Generals - those actually qualified to wear the shoes - have been fired, retired, or dead ended. When Generals become political functionaries, bad things happen.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:46 pmwhen pace retires,he’ll say he didn’t mean all the BS he said in fear of losing his retirement…true. You keep that Honorable discharge cpl.,as I keep mine….FOREVER…then we’ll work on getting pace a DIShonorable discharge for LYING.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:47 pmWhat about all the returning Viet Nam vets that protested. Were their benefits denied them?
June 6th, 2007 at 4:51 pm(Sample wingnut logic) If you’re not allowed to wear your uniform at protests, how come Forrest Gump didn’t get busted when he spoke at the Washington Mall in his uniform?
Huh?
June 6th, 2007 at 4:51 pmWhere is the court martial on General Pace for his comments about gay’s? Was he not in uniform at the time. Oh, yes, Bush yes man.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:51 pmIt’s OK. Just another few months and we can right the wrongs done to Mr. Kokesh.
Soon we’ll be uninstalling the sick virus we jokingly refer to as “The Bush Administration.”
And, since we know his Justic Dept. is just a part of the Republican party, we can pretty much throw out the last few years of their cases and start all over again. It’s a good time to be a defense attorney, now that federal prosecutions have all the credibility of a Soviet show-trial.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:53 pm.
I Fed-Exed my Honorable Discharge ( Retirement Certificate on Disability )back to General Pace today,as I no longer recognize the Marine Corps I fought with,and loved!
June 6th, 2007 at 4:54 pmI also included my Purple Heart,for if I have to keep my mouth shut and wear “Proper Clothing” to a protest,we as a country have lost the so-called “War on Terror”! I don’t recognize this country anymore, when honorable men and women are arrested,shoved aside,etc if you’re not kissing the AWOL Kings Ass !
As far as General Pace is concerned,after writing the Court to spare Libby jail time and allowing this Cpl’s discharge to be lower,he should hang up the uniform of the Marine Corps, before he disgraces it any more, by continually having his nose stuck up Gunga-Din Bushs rear end
Cpl F J Kaner,USMC Retired (’66-’69)
haha…that was a pretty funny piece in the Onion.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:58 pm#32 That’s what I had thought all along. As long as the insignia was removed he would be fine.
Kokesh is appealing his case.
Gen. Pace is bucking for that Freedom Medal Bush hands out just like nicknames.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pmTHe up-is-down-ism of the Bush administration, that stripping honorable discharge of one of the troops who is peacefully advocating the cessation of policy that is killing the troops.
June 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pmFred Thompson is another Repuke actor…and like all the other Repuke actors, is an incompetent boob.
Ronald Reagan - incompetent boob.
Sonny Bono - incompetent boob.
Ahhhnode Schwarzenegger - incompetent boob.
We need to elect COMPETENT people, not actors who play them on TV.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:00 pmRemove Bush,
June 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pmMost folks aren’t gonna go through the trouble of removing name tapes, stripes, insignias, patches, ect….ya know…..
Toliver,
A patriot exercising his constitutional rights suffering injustice, juxtaposed against a General defending a criminal, and the best you’ve got is “apples and oranges”. Man take that sh*t back to the playground.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pmComment by Bobby Hill
Bobby, you didn’t have to do that. Pace may be a general on behalf of the Marines, but he hasn’t even had an assignment within the Marines since 2000. You’ve earned all of your decorations, why should Pace get to keep them?
June 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pmF*cking disgusting.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:02 pmseveral of you beat me to it. i was gonna say:
“can you say HYPOCRITES boys and girls?”
June 6th, 2007 at 5:02 pmLook people, it’s very simple:
Gen. Pace supports the President and the War. Therefore he is A Patriot.
Cpl. Kokesh believes that the war is making us less safe and therefore is A Traitor Who Wants Al-Qaeada To Win.
Do I have that about right, trolls?
June 6th, 2007 at 5:02 pmGeneral Pace would have given Forrest Gump a dishonorable discharge.
What an a$shole.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:03 pmI wonder if Pace typed his letter on a military computer while on duty and in uniform and mailed it with military provided postage.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:04 pmUnder the new retirement program, General Pace will get to retire with 100% of his monthly base pay (with approval from the Defense secretary), yet Adam gets nothing after tours of duty in combat.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:04 pmGeneral Pace is one of those candy-ass, pogue bait in-the-rear-with-the-gear, REMF Hollywood Marines.
When Chimpy unzips his pants, Pace gets on his knees.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pmWhen I was in the military (Air Force-never saw combat) it was very clear that wearing the uniform in such a capacity was wrong. It isn’t an issue of free speech, cpl Kokesh can say whatever he wants but when he puts on the uniform, he is representing the United States military. I don’t think he should have lost his honorable discharge, but he knew that protesting the war in his uniform is clearly against the rules.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pmOk, for the next anti-war rally EVERYONE should wear camo purchased from a military surplus store.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:06 pmI have even been in units where members had to seek approval for their commanders before attending political function while off duty, and out of uniform.
Comment by Craig Mack
Craig,
I understand what you’re saying. I’m still glad he did it, and hope more military people do the same, and are willing to accept the consequences.
What do you think of Gen Pace’s actions?
June 6th, 2007 at 5:06 pm“Remove Bush,
Most folks aren’t gonna go through the trouble of removing name tapes, stripes, insignias, patches, ect….ya know…..
Comment by Craig Mack — June 6, 2007 @ 5:01 pm”
TRUE, but there is a difference between stating that it is illegal to wear the uniform or it is illegal to wear it with the stated items.
A little miss leading in the statement.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:08 pmTwo Americas becomes more and more apparent every day.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:08 pmI wore my uniform to DC protest marches(X2) this year, but then, I got my full discharge some 30 years ago. Hmmm, does that mean they will try to change my discharge from honorabe to something else now?
June 6th, 2007 at 5:10 pmKevin Good,
Absolutely, there is Dubyas “have’s and have more’s” America.
And the rest of us must be content with Amerikkka.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:12 pmComp,
June 6th, 2007 at 5:12 pmIn protest,someone in his office will have to open the package and deal with it!
He still wears the uniform of a United State Marine,and he is disgracing it! He served with 2/5, 2nd Bn,Fifth Marines Ist Marine Div in Nam,Chesty Puller is probably banging on the top of his casket,wanting to get out, and whup a little ass on Peter Pace.
This is my protest,maybe they’ll take away my disabilties,and kick me to the curb,but I’ll still be a better man than they will ever be!
Semper Fi
Zooey,
June 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pmI think Pace’s action are typical, and make me wanna vomit. I’m sure on one hand that he didn’t need to solicit the approval of his chain of command to write this letter (it was probably “suggested to him”), but he crossed a line, and gets no respect for it.
It’s typical zooey, I can count on 1 hand (w/2 fingers) the # of generals that have the full support and respect of their troops. The rest staff officers like that are just politicians in training. They will all step out of their uniforms straight into a CEO or advisor position making more in 3 moths than enlisted people make in a year. (uuurrrk…..urge to vomit)
Amazing hypocrisy.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:15 pmSupport ALL war resisters!
Comment by Uncle Ho
That’s what I was thinking. And veterans who are against this or any war need to stand behind this guy. This is indeed a slippery slope.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:15 pmIt’s pretty outrageous that Peter Pace would defend someone like Libby who was actually working counter-defense of the nation in his role outing Valerie Plame.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:16 pmBush kept firing and retiring generals until he found two like Pace and Petraeus who would continue to salute his treasonous, undemocratic and unconstitutional actions as president. Two yes-men generals like that don’t deserve to stay in the military — they have betrayed the men who serve under them, and they have betrayed the American public.
It sure can’t be worth a few thousand more in retirement pay and a fabulous medal of freedom. Their thirty pieces of silver.
Kevin Good
And the America with combat veterans seems to be liberal. If a coup came, I don’t think this is going to work out terribly well for the Republicans.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:16 pmThis is my protest,maybe they’ll take away my disabilties,and kick me to the curb,but I’ll still be a better man than they will ever be!
Semper Fi
Comment by Bobby Hill
You are a true American Hero. Thank you.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThere are two Americas. The real America that 70% of Americans live in.
And the Bizarro Amerika fantasyland the Repukes live in.
A nation divided against itself cannot stand.
And Chimpy is the divider.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pmWell, as we can all read, we here at TP have thrown out the window any support we ever claimed to have for the military.
how dare this as**holes in the military apply the military code of justice to this ex-military, how dare they.
down with the military, down!!!
I am going to go chinese embassy in serbia on the military that i downsized, that I pist on and that I never served on.
and that most of us Democratic politicians and voters have never served on.
How dare they be sensible, and good for TP comparing verbal support for Libby to one of our own wackos marching in an anti-war demonstration using military property. Good job TP, we need more of this, yes we do!!!
I love my sheeps, I love my tools, I love you guys, without you, our Democratic Party would be no where. Please keep on spewing all the talking points we demand that you spew, all the talking points that we have brainwashed you with.
I love you my left wing America!!!!!
June 6th, 2007 at 5:20 pmKevin Good
And the America with combat veterans seems to be liberal. If a coup came, I don’t think this is going to work out terribly well for the Republicans.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 6, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
If I coup came? wow!! my tools are delusional aren’t they. If I coup came we on the Democratic Party would raise the white flag faster than a speeding bullet. We would declare defeat faster than Hillary, my wife, can lie.
don’t worry, we on the left are too much of a cowards and we don’t believe in wars, thus there would never be a coup from our side. We are peace loving children. Wars are evil, evil I tell you!! EVIL!!!!!
I know, I am the greatest President to ever set foot on the Oval Office rug!!!
June 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pmPC,
He was not active duty.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:23 pmNow up your dose.
I love you my left wing America!!!!!
Comment by President Clinton — June 6, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Drop dead fascist traitor.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:24 pmComment by Craig Mack — June 6, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
That’s disgusting, and truly unfortunate. Imagine the morale of service members if those in charge followed the same rules as everyone in the service. It seems simple to me.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:26 pmThis looks like Hatch Act material to me — as well as UCMJ material.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:26 pmPC,
Settle down now you’re getting so excited your typing isn’t making sense, ergo: “If I coup came? If I coup came…”
what a ten year old.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pmComment by Bobby Hill
Corporal, God Bless you. With Marines, sacrificing comes naturally. I grew up for some time aboard Camp Lejeune, Quantico (own father is MGySgt Retired) knowing that almost all Marines are magnificent people.
Again, God Bless. Marines are infinite heroes.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:28 pmPC,
Settle down now you’re getting so excited your typing isn’t making sense, ergo: “If I coup came? If I coup came…â€
what a ten year old.
Comment by Texas Democrat — June 6, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
sorry Texas Democrat, Monica is going down on me an dI got all excited, you are right, I ment to say, “If a coup came…”
but I guess my Democratic tool that talked about a coup made sense, eh?
ahh, my tools, my lovely….monica, monica wait, wait, where are you going?!!!
I am only going to be on this blog for 30 more minutes….GET OVER HERE WOMAN BEFORE I PIMP SLAP YOU!!!!
YES!!!! much better girl, much better…..
sorry Texas Democrat….what was I sayIIIIIINNNNNGGGG!!!! YES!!!! YES MONICAN OH BABY!!! YES, YES, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 6th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI love you my left wing America!!!!!
Comment by President Clinton — June 6, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Drop dead fascist traitor.
Comment by Namtillaku — June 6, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
**arms crossed, toe tapping**
June 6th, 2007 at 5:32 pmCraig Mack, this guy was already in the IRR when he wore the uniform (w/o insignia) at the protest. As such, unless he were to be called up, he was no longer subject to the regulation, chain of command, or UMCOJ.
As such, he was no longer under any obligation to follow this rule, and the retroactive retraction of his honorable discharge was an unlawful and purely punitive measure.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:32 pmI love you my left wing America!!!!!
Comment by President Clinton — June 6, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Drop dead fascist traitor.
Comment by Namtillaku — June 6, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
But I am a Democrat like you….are you saying that we Democrats are fascists traitors?
oh, you better watch out….Look at Cindy Sheehan and what happened to her when she dare go after my wife, and other Democratic politicians.
I will go Chinese Embassy on you if you don’t apologize and kiss my feet NOW!!!
June 6th, 2007 at 5:32 pmCraig Mack, this guy was already in the IRR when he wore the uniform (w/o insignia) at the protest. As such, unless he were to be called up, he was no longer subject to the regulation, chain of command, or UMCOJ.
As such, he was no longer under any obligation to follow this rule, and the retroactive retraction of his honorable discharge was an unlawful and purely punitive measure.
Comment by PeterW — June 6, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
is this like when I punished a military person during the 1990s because he dared speak against me and call me out on the carpet?
this idiot dare question my ability to command troops since I ran away like a coward from the USA during Vietnam and he question my morality because I was having extra marital affairs.
how dare he, right? how dare he!!!!
June 6th, 2007 at 5:35 pm**arms crossed, toe tapping**
Comment by Zooey — June 6, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
Taking me to task for troll hunting are you?
June 6th, 2007 at 5:35 pmPeter,
June 6th, 2007 at 5:36 pmI’m pretty sure that he signed some DD form stating that he couldn’t participate in protest, ect, while in unifor, even after discharge. I may be wrong here (it happens often), by I have heard of that before.
I’ve never been discharged for good, so I don’t know what all it entails.
Egad!
June 6th, 2007 at 5:38 pmHijacked by a retard again.
Oh look
valianttheloser is back,
How you doin’ man? We missed your insane ramblings. Give us a few nuggets of wisdom. you know:
“I will go Chinese Embassy on you”, “Foolish liberal sycophants” you know what I’m talking about. Say something that equals nothing. But please, stay on this post.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:38 pmEgad!
Hijacked by a retard again.
Comment by Texas Democrat — June 6, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Are you calling me, the greatest President to ever set foot on the Oval Office rug, a retard?!!!
Oh you need to be pimp slap, how dare you son?!! how dare you?!!
My tool, my sheep, where is the loyalty, where is the respect?!
I was able to fool you all during the 1990s, but it is getting harder and harder….no, not my d**k, get your mind out of the gutter.
It was so easy to manipulate the left wing of America during the 1990s. All I had to say was, “JUMP!” and the left in America asked, “Where from my god, where from my god.” You begged me to guide you, my lost sheep, during the 1990s, please let me at least guide you in this blog.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:41 pmPlease don’t feed the trolls.
Ignore them and they may go away.
They are not in here to discuss the issues.
They are in here solely to disrupt the discussion.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:42 pmcan’t you guys silence him or something?
June 6th, 2007 at 5:44 pmcan’t you guys silence him or something?
Comment by Craig Mack — June 6, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
Wow, talk abougt a lack of support for freedom of speech.
I love my party members, you my Democratic sheeps are awesome. How we wish we could silence everyone and anyone that we disagree with.
Craig Mack, you are a man/woman after my own heart. I love you man!!!
Yes, let us silence anyone we disagree with!!!!
June 6th, 2007 at 5:47 pm**arms crossed, toe tapping**
Comment by Zooey — June 6, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
Taking me to task for troll hunting are you?
Comment by Namtillaku
Yes. :)
My record is clean for 6/6/07.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:49 pmPlease don’t feed the trolls.
Ignore them and they may go away.
They are not in here to discuss the issues.
They are in here solely to disrupt the discussion.
Comment by Tom3 — June 6, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Discussion?! Ahh but my poor sheep, my tool, my Democratic blind follower, what we do here is not discuss, we pontificat, we rant and rave, we trash the right, the Republicans, conservatives, religion, the military.
C’mon son, it is the same 10 to 15 idiots who day in an dday out come masturbating in here to get the same old tired crap…
Bush is bad, the left is right, the right is wrong, Conservatives are evil and us Liberals are gods.
have a little fun son, be like me, go cheat on your wife, lie the the American people and sell military secrets to the Chinese. While you are it, go destroy an embassy of a nation that we are not at war with, ok?
have some fun!
June 6th, 2007 at 5:49 pmcan’t you guys silence him or something?
Comment by Craig Mack
just hand him a butt plug.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:52 pmWe are discussing issues, the troll is trying to derail the discussion.
Go back under your bridge, troll.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:53 pmThat’s a great little story TP… sooooooooo
What’s the connexion, again?
Oh right, you’re trying get people outraged by fabricating a contradiction in the US military.
Ha.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:54 pmComment by Texas Democrat — June 6, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
Are you calling me, the greatest President to ever set foot on the Oval Office rug, a retard?!!!
Oh you need to be pimp slap, how dare you son?!! how dare you?!!
My tool, my sheep, where is the loyalty, where is the respect?!
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It was so easy to manipulate the left wing of America during the 1990s. All I had to say was, “JUMP!†and the left in America asked, “Where from my god, where from my god.†You begged me to guide you, my lost sheep, during the 1990s, please let me at least guide you in this blog.
Comment by President Clinton — June 6, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
This guy is hilarious!!!!!!
June 6th, 2007 at 5:56 pmWearing of the member’s uniform is prohibited for all retirees:
In connection with the promotion of any political or commercial interests or when engaged in off duty civilian employment. Reserve technicians who are also members of the Ready Reserve may wear their uniform at their option while on duty in their civil service status.
When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except as authorized by competent authority.
When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Uniformed Services.
HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!
June 6th, 2007 at 5:58 pmWhen specifically prohibited by DoD Regulations.
Yes. :)
My record is clean for 6/6/07.
Comment by Zooey — June 6, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Nice. Hey, I don’t mind one bit when PPL fight fire with fire with these trolls. And, as I’m sure you’ve noticed, I can get a little (lot) carried away with emotion. I just hate seeing people actively engaging trolls in conversations that move the topic away from the one at hand.
But if you think that simply calling Jake & MAF54 etc etc the traitors to America that they are, I will gladly cease & desist.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:00 pmPres Clinton,
June 6th, 2007 at 6:01 pmYou been shacking up with your Blow Buddy Bush lately,whose on top ” I’ll bet you’re a bottom man right!
Cpl Adam Kokesh your a TRUE war hero the rest need to realise their being used
June 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmBut if you think that simply calling Jake & MAF54 etc etc the traitors to America that they are, I will gladly cease & desist.
Comment by Namtillaku
No, please continue. I was just making a point. I’ve got a couple trolls making personal comments about me that I intend to whack anyway. I don’t need to engage them on their crap, but if they get personal, I’m not taking it. Peace.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:05 pmUncle Ho
Very well said. It is almost a sure bet that Kokesh was inspired by the GI Resisters featured in the incredibly moving documentary Sir! No Sir! and the classic book by David Cortright Soldiers In Revolt- GI Resistance During the Vietnam War, as well as by people such as Lt. Watada and members of the IVAW [Iraq Veterans Against the War]. The hope is that these people will contine to inspire others in the military to say NO to the U.S. war machine in Iraq.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:10 pmhttp://ccoaler.blogspot.com/ 2007/ 06/ turkish-troops-enter-iraq.html
June 6th, 2007 at 6:15 pmErroll; thank you, kindly. I am proud of my membership in V V A W and will continue to protest either locally or in DC. Keep the faith.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:17 pmPeace.
Comment by Zooey — June 6, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Oh, and just so you know, I wasn’t exclusively directing my comments toward only you yesterday, I was being lazy, not wanting to dig for the IDs of the whole thread - you were right there so, I apologize for singling you out.
Back on point;
When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Uniformed Services.
HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!
When specifically prohibited by DoD Regulations.
Comment by michael — June 6, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
I honor this soldier for taking part in a protest of this unjust war, and in no way does this discredit the military. Plus, who is the deciderer about what is considered discredit? If taking part in an anti-Iraq war rally, as a directly informed citizen(soldier), is somehow discrediting the military, isn’t that just a bit lame/self-conscious/insecure of them?
June 6th, 2007 at 6:23 pm“HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!”- comment by michael
June 6th, 2007 at 6:32 pmComment by Namtillaku — June 6, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Thank you. I apologize for being snide.
June 6th, 2007 at 6:37 pmwow
June 6th, 2007 at 7:05 pmand pace likes to talk about butt sex. jeesh how did this happen to America?
#70 - “It’s pretty outrageous that Peter Pace would defend someone like Libby who was actually working counter-defense of the nation in his role outing Valerie Plame.” More Marie
Marie - Get off your high horse - Libby had nothing to do with OUTING super sleuth, Val Plame. Richard Armitage and her hubby did that….
Cpl. Kokesh and others in the military do not enjoy “free speech”. (As my husband and brother noted, serving under the personally disliked Bill Clinton was NO excuse to criticize HIM or the Clinton Administrations’ military policies.) But since Cpl. Kokesh feels so stronglyu about this unjust war, I trust he will be returning his military pay.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:10 pmRemember, duchebags like General Peter Pace and the other trash who confuse democracy with facism (yes, peter, WE are a democracy, not a theocracy or dictatorship) often hide behind their uniforms or the cross or other icons and symbols. Why? Because they are not thinkers, they are followers of whomever can make them feel that they are strong and not the abused or neglected kid they used to be.
As long as these morons in the Pentagon have power, outspoken critics of the administration will have to watch their back.
Good luck, Adam Kokesh.
CB
June 6th, 2007 at 7:27 pmContrary to what valiant venus may believe, people do not put their brains on hold when they join the military. She may also want to see the 2006 documentary Sir! No Sir! for confirmation of that statement as well as the closing lines from Bertolt Brecht’s poem General, Your Tank Is a Powerful Vehicle:
General, man is very useful.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:27 pmHe can fly and he can kill.
But he has one defect:
He can think.
The Justice system is skewed. And Alberto approves.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:31 pmThe administration appears to oppose the political advocacy of uniformed officers, except when they’re advocating on behalf of administration policy.
Captain Obvious flies again! What are you 12 ?
June 6th, 2007 at 7:35 pmErrol - When i served (along with many family and friends) we did not protest the Commander in Chief or his policies. Period. We did not put our brains on hold, but knew what was expected of us when we VOLUNTEEERED. (Many who disagreed with former President cClinton did not vocally disagree with him - they just didn’t extend their service. Sir! No Sir! was designed to undermine the US military, Errol - too bad you can’t be honest enough to admit it.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:36 pmOh, and one more thing. It pays to keep in mind that those who behave in ways such as Gen. Pace and the rest of the yahoos who decided to punish Adam Kokesh will NEVER argue on the merits of an issue. They must do their dirty work in the dark because direct discussion of their ideas and plans and actions would never result in the outcome they desire; normal people with ethics would not stand for such things.
But, alas, we deal in a world filled with losers, liars, fools, deceivers, idiots, and did I mention fools? The trick is to surround one’s self with trustworthy souls.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:38 pmCB
Mighty moron; Sir! No Sir! is not propaganda to undermine the troops, Get your head out of your ass. It historical fact. a) the only position you served is prone, legs wide open. b) When I was in San Francisco during Vietnam, command sent down word that going to antiwar demonstrations ist verboten. I therefore went anyway.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:53 pmValiant venus
Honest enough to admit what, that the military personnel dared to speak out against the illegal war machine in Vietnam? If you had actually seen the documentary, you would have realized that that was the obvious intention of what those GI Resisters were doing in the film. As the UCMJ and the Army Field Manual clearly state, those in the military have not only a right but a duty and an obligation to speak out against what they consider to be an illegal order and that is exactly what they were doing in the film and exactly what Lt. Watada and members of the IVAW are doing today. Again, despite your contention, those who are in the military are not robots and as Bertolt Brecht pointed out in his poem, they have one defect which the military is deathly afraid of: they can think. Also, that is Erroll with 2 ls.
June 6th, 2007 at 7:54 pmI think a rightwing coup has taken place… but instead of taking over th whitehouse they have taken over the military… potentially even more dangerous to the USA…
June 6th, 2007 at 7:55 pmFrom the article:
“He impressed me as a team player when addressing issues and with his selfless approach to his wide-ranging responsibilities.”
Translation about Libby:
Party loyalty over honesty=convicted liar falling on his sword=kudos from fellow crooks and liars=pardon and medal of freedom
Iraq war veteran Marine Cpl. Adam Kokesh is not a “team player”=stick his sword up his ass=punish the shit out of him=send him home in shame
June 6th, 2007 at 7:55 pmUncle Ho
The tragedy of Valiant Venus is contained in her sentence “but [we] knew what was expected of us when we volunteered.” It is as if Tennyson had her in mind when he wrote “Into the valley of death rode the 600.” It apparently would not matter to her how questionable or her stupid or how illegal the mission might be, she would end up going over the precipice with the rest of the lemmings. She gives new meaning to the phrase “cannon fodeder.”
June 6th, 2007 at 8:06 pmFK Iam calling this the biggest BS since Bush recieved hes honorable discharge from the national Guard..
June 6th, 2007 at 8:12 pmThinkProgress goes to –FOX– for this incredibly thin story about Kokesh, but what about the previous reports that said the OPPOSITE? Damn, what a shock.
Military Panel Recommends Discharge For Anti-War Marine
Associated Press   | June 4, 2007 at 11:24 PM
“Marine Cpl. Adam Kokesh participated in the protest in March, clad in a uniform that had his name tag and other insignia removed. After he was identified in a photo caption in The Washington Post, a superior officer sent him a letter saying he might have violated a rule prohibiting troops from wearing uniforms without authorization.
“After a hearing Monday before an administrative separation board at the Marine Corps Mobilization Command, the panel decided not to recommend a less-than-honorable discharge, choosing instead the general discharge.”
You might want to watch where you get your news from, Guest.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:13 pmhttp://www.google.com/ search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Kokesh+%22general+discharge%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
June 6th, 2007 at 8:15 pmIf Kokesh was wearing a MARPAT uniform, regardless of his name tag or other insignia, it has the Marine Corps emblem incorporated into it’s design. Civilians cannot buy this uniform, it’s strictly for active duty Marine’s. So, he was “in uniform” and, whether intended to or not, representing the Marine Corps. Nothing would have been said had he protested in civilian clothes. HE chose to bring the uniform into it, to make a point, and now the military will make theirs.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:28 pmErroLL - Please share YOUR military service with the audience….
June 6th, 2007 at 8:46 pmErroLL - Please share YOUR military service with the audience….
Comment by valiant venus — June 6, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
Says the 24 year old Anorexic C*nt - PRETEND SOLDIER!!
Tell us what service dates, and where you served again?
June 6th, 2007 at 8:51 pmPace the big boot licker while the troops are needlesly slaughtered.
Pace is a cowardly discrace and does not enjoy the confidence of the troops or the American public.
Resign now YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
June 6th, 2007 at 8:53 pmSorry if “Military Denies Honorable Discharge To War Critic” is not ON TOPIC enough for some here.
June 6th, 2007 at 9:29 pmVVGFU - You poor dear - I have provided this forum with my military record. That you cannot recall my service dates, rank, etc. is not my problem. (The fact that YOU choose to inaccurately ascribe a MySpace personna to me is YOUR problem, and underscores your duplicity.) Unfortunately, I think your incredibily vulgar and vicious posts demonstrate a deep psychological problem. Hopefully, medication can help bring this under control.
As another poster rightly concluded, the fact you have included my screen monikers (mighty aphrodite and valiant venus) in YOUR last two screen names indicates a weird and irrational thought process.
Now, go ask mom to help with the child-proof cap….
June 6th, 2007 at 9:58 pmDrop dead fascist traitor.
Comment by Namtillaku — June 6, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
**arms crossed, toe tapping**
Comment by Zooey
Oh your busted Namtillaku. Excellent Zooey.
June 6th, 2007 at 9:59 pmI just hate seeing people actively engaging trolls in conversations that move the topic away from the one at hand.
But if you think that simply calling Jake & MAF54 etc etc the traitors to America that they are, I will gladly cease & desist.
Comment by Namtillaku
Maybe you should just ignore those posts then. I don’t read what PC posts at all anymore, unless I feel like bitch slapping somebody.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:04 pmOh your busted Namtillaku. Excellent Zooey.
Comment by shane
We made nice. :)
June 6th, 2007 at 10:08 pmOh, and just so you know, I wasn’t exclusively directing my comments toward only you yesterday, I was being lazy, not wanting to dig for the IDs of the whole thread - you were right there so, I apologize for singling you out
Comment by Namtillaku
It certainly seemed like you were singling Zooey out. And she gets enough grief from trolls, don’t you think?
June 6th, 2007 at 10:08 pmHE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!â€- comment by michael
And I would pay good money to see you get just what you deserve!
Comment by Uncle Ho
Can we all pitch in, Uncle Ho?
June 6th, 2007 at 10:10 pmGet off your high horse - Libby had nothing to do with OUTING super sleuth, Val Plame. Richard Armitage and her hubby did that
Comment by valiant venus
Oh the Heinous Equestrian is talking about others getting off their high horse. And then she proceeds to rewrite history, again. Lying sack of horse shit, vv. Oh but I see you’ve stopped pretending YOU were in the military. Or did you just forget THAT lie.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:13 pmErroll; For me, the ‘Vietnam Experience’ was a real eye-opener. Should have burned my draft card.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:15 pmSir! No Sir! was designed to undermine the US military, Errol - too bad you can’t be honest enough to admit it.
Comment by valiant venus — June 6, 2007
And we know you, venereal penus, being the good little Nazi that you are, would have followed all the orders Hitler gave you. Why don’t you take that stick out of your ass and you’ll find out that your shit does stink.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:17 pmShane; please do pitch in, the more the merrier. As the marines used to say, “find the bastards and pile on.”
June 6th, 2007 at 10:26 pm“Errol - When I served (along with many family and friends) we did not protest the Commander in Chief or his policies. Period. We did not put our brains on hold, but knew what was expected of us when we VOLUNTEEERED.” Comment by VV
#138 - Shane - IF you paid a dime for school, ask for a refund…..your reading and comprehension “skills” appear lacking….
June 6th, 2007 at 10:33 pmvaliant venus sez:
Amusing, that you feel you can criticize shane’s ‘reading and comprehension “skills”‘ in the same post you spell “volunteered” with four “e”s.
What a silly little fool.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:41 pmOrion - What has Dictator BU$H dictated you do? May I make a bold suggestion - it will require extraordinary bravery and daring. RUN for the border and hope you GET out alive…..no hyperbole there, either….it must be awful to be YOU.
June 6th, 2007 at 10:42 pmTripe Master - you obviously live alone with your blind cat and have no other distractions in life - Congratulations!!!……Of course I didn’t epect you to comment on proof of Sana’s LIE or as the PC crowd intones…erroneous “assertion”. That might require a tad more chutzpah (and honesty) than you seem to have….
June 6th, 2007 at 10:48 pmErroLL if you think you can manage the entire article, this might help you,
http://thephoenix.com/article_ektid14795.aspx
Goood luck!!
June 6th, 2007 at 11:01 pm“If taking part in an anti-Iraq war rally, as a directly informed citizen(soldier), is somehow discrediting the military, isn’t that just a bit lame/self-conscious/insecure of them?
Comment by Namtillaku — June 6, 2007″
Rules are rules! I know you liberals want to live in a country without any but until you change the rules, they stand!
June 7th, 2007 at 12:24 amFill our this survey to support our troops:
http://billoreilly.com/pg/jsp/general/promotion.jsp
June 7th, 2007 at 12:35 amSo, my fine fellow troops, who’s rights do you think you are fighting for now? The general wants to fuck you over for your right to free speech (and apparently free thought) while supporting the creep who blew the cover on the good CIA soldier who was working on finding the very weapons of mass destruction they sent you after.
The question is, can you think for yourselves, or like the neo-idiot above, do you think that to do so makes you a liberal and therefore somehow less of an American? The rules of the Bible, and the Constitution you are fighting to preserve state that you should not be in the war you are fighting, but the rules you are asked to obey tell you that if you disagree with the war you risk losing your honorable discharge! I believe you are honorable as you stand and I spit on those who would claim otherwise. God bless America, and damn those who disgrace her, including Libby and Pace!
June 7th, 2007 at 12:43 amValiant venus
I am not sure what your point was in referencing the link since the review was mostly laudatory and concurs with my belief and with the director David Zieger and with those in the film Sir! No Sir! that the GI Resisters had every right to speak out against that illegal and immoral war. The hope is that those in the military today will be inspired by the heroic actions of those in Sir! No Sir! by also speaking out and saying NO to another illegal and immoral war that the United States has yet again foolishly entered into.
June 7th, 2007 at 12:51 amMichael,
June 7th, 2007 at 5:49 amTalking about liberals wanting to live in a country without rules,we’ve just witnessed for the last 6 years, how the Republicans want to live,with their rules only, as they make up rules to suit their agenda!
LMAO. Yeah the until now left-to-centrist Pentagon has really changed hasn’t it.
June 7th, 2007 at 6:14 amHe must have been naked when he wrote that letter.
June 7th, 2007 at 9:04 am