The war expands.
By on Jun 6th, 2007 at 11:03 am
The war expands.
“Thousands of Turkish troops cross Iraq border to chase Kurd guerrillas,” the AP reports in a breaking news alert.
UPDATE: More details, including officials trying to play down the raid:
Several thousand Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq early Wednesday to chase Kurdish guerrillas who operate from bases there, Turkish security officials told The Associated Press.
Two senior security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, said the raid was limited in scope and that it did not constitute the kind of large incursion that Turkish leaders have been discussing in recent weeks.
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Ahhh, The Turk Surge.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:05 amThe Turkish Surge.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:05 amOh sh*t. Unintended consequences strike again.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:07 amI have been expecting this to happen and when the Turks capture Talabani then they might hang him. Turkey hates the Kurds bigtime.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:07 amJesus H Christ…..
June 6th, 2007 at 11:07 amOf course it did. What did yu expect. The Rapture crowd must be suffering from premature evacuation as we speak.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:08 amDoes TP have a link for this?
Just askin’…
June 6th, 2007 at 11:10 amDUHHHHHHH
June 6th, 2007 at 11:11 amWait till the Turkish soldiers run into American troops unexpectedly and a firefight erupts. Bush will ignite global WWIII yet.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:11 amI THINK TURKEY IS IN ON THE ACT TO KEEP AMERICAN FORCES IN IRAQ AS A MEANS TO PROTECT IRAQ FROM INVASION – its bullshit Turkey how much you being paid
meanwhile
Iraqi Government Orders Arrest of Oil Workers’ Leaders
Naftana members spoke to IFOU leader Hassan Jumaa Awad today who alerted the support group to an arrest warrant issued by Prime Minister Maliki’s office. The warrant names four leaders of the Federation including Hassan Jumaa Awad and demands their arrest for ’sabotaging the Iraqi economy’. The Federation is asking for unions and organisations world wide to support them in their unfulfilled demands and to protect them from repressive measures.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:11 amAh, crap.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:12 amSomeone go find Mr. Pizzlevent, OK?
June 6th, 2007 at 11:13 amI think he’s over at the beer tent.
I’ve been expecting a clash between the Turks and the Kurds since the start of the war.
This is when the fun is REALLY gonna start.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:13 amthe turks have been poised for weeks to invade iraq and kill kurds. i’m surprised they waited THIS long.
talibani looked scared last week because the reality had just hit home in his little rat brain.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:13 amThe full AP story
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/T/TURKEY_IRAQ?SITE=CALAK&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
June 6th, 2007 at 11:14 amThe Turks are “chasing” the Kurds? What does that mean?
June 6th, 2007 at 11:14 amWow, I just read a 2-hour old story in which Turkey claimed it would not be going into Iraq. But I see this AP update adds some qualifiers.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:14 amWe have made Iraq into a bed of terrorism. By leaving large parts of the country basically uncontrolled, there are all kinds of safe havens for terrorists. That’s why we’re even finding guerillas in Afghanistan now using Iraq-made IED’s. The terrorists not only have safe areas of Iraq, but they also have a huge training ground to perfect their tactics.
Bush’s policies are going to haunt us for MANY years to come. It’s only a matter of time before other countries are drawn into this. The Saudis are already funding the Sunni militias. The Iranians are already supporting the Shia militias. Kurdish anti-Turkish groups are causing more and more problems, forcing Turkey to get involved (or risk an uprising from their own Kurdish polulation).
God help us if a Republican gets elected. These idiots have fallen for their own bullsh!t talking points about “stay the course” and “fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here”.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:14 amTurkey says troops crossing into Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070606/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey_iraq;_ylt=AnGXtAkyZdI8IoR0McyLWYtvaA8F
apparently I read some where 7 turkish troops killed by bomb/ rocket or something ………. somewhere
June 6th, 2007 at 11:15 amThis is huge. The big question is will Dumbya let the Turks commit genocide, they’re gonna kill Kurds by the thousands and we will just stand by and let this happen? This is a big event and this really could turn into an excuse for even more separate madness in the region.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:15 amTHIS IS TO JUSTIFY AMERICAN TROOPS STAYING
TURKEY IS PART OF THE OIL THEFT TOO
June 6th, 2007 at 11:16 amEight Turkish Police Killed in Kurdish Attack in Eastern Turkey
for news on this bookmark this page
http://www.antiwar.com/regions/regions.php?c=Turkey
June 6th, 2007 at 11:18 am…and we thought the coalition of the willing was shrinking.
But so it begins. We feared civil war in Iraq, and it began, but is still not fully acknowledged. The new fear is that Iraq will blow up into a regional war. Fear no more, it has begun. It will be just as much of a regional war as Iraq’s current civil war in that it will be relatively low key until our presence is gone (and by low key, I mean that there will just be high levels of violence with nobody trying to actually seize full power).
June 6th, 2007 at 11:18 amWho will be the first in the administration to say, “No one ever expected the Turks to …”?
June 6th, 2007 at 11:19 amGotta LOVE the hypocrisy here…
“Except the US, of course.”
“Do as I say… not as I do.”
June 6th, 2007 at 11:19 amTurkey will refer to the “Kurdish guerillas” as terrorists.
And Chimpy’s “war on terror” will run into another logical cul-de-sac.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:19 amIs Bush going to claim the Turks are insurgents or the Kurds are terrorists, al-Qaeda, et al? Or both. Bush must long for the days of pom-poms at Andover.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:22 amBush may have allowed the Turks to invade Iraq to scare the Kurds into speeding up passage of the OIL theft agreement. Bush probably tells Talabani that only the US can protect the Kurds from being slaughtered by the Turks.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:22 amI guess those Kurdistan tourism promos are out for now?
June 6th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Can we tag out now and let Turkey take the lead?
June 6th, 2007 at 11:22 amHere’s the link to CNN coverage
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/06/06/turkey.iraq.ap/index.html
Well president Cocaine McAWOL has done a heckuva job in Iraqnam hasn’t he.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:23 am1/ The iraqi Goverment itself passed laws saying they have the power if the American troops stay and not Maliki
2/ The Oil pipes has been shut down for 2 days now and union leaders arrested
3/ Turkey Invades to Justify a means for American troops to stay in Iraq to provide security
———————————————–
All part of Butcher Bushes plans to respond to being kicked out with NO OIl
think about it ——- been planned for ages
June 6th, 2007 at 11:23 amOh good!!! Just what we need.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:24 amJay Randal – - exactly — I worked this all out 3 weeks ago
June 6th, 2007 at 11:25 amCan’t agree with that statement Tobey. The Kurds and US have a 16 year-old alliance. The Turks were royally pissed off at the arm-twisting that went on in 2002/2003 (remember Wolfowitz calling on the Turkish military to take matters into their own hands when the Turkish parliament shot the bird to Chimpy and Rumsfeld?). The Turks and Kurds have a long running insurgency-counter insurgency which precedes even the first Gulf War. The Kurdish area of Iraq was relatively quiet until now, this doesn’t help the US position at all – it shows that they are losing their grip everywhere….
There’s nothing good here that two more of the regions antagonists have decided to up the level of violence.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:27 amAlso the main Kurdish Oil pipeline that runs through Turkey has been blown up faster than rebuilt since the beggining of the war – The oil flow stopped 4 years ago
June 6th, 2007 at 11:28 amI think the Turks are coming over because they think the Kurdish autonomy and control of the northern oil region is becoming too solid. The US has shown nothing but incompetence so far, why should this event be under US control if nothing else has been to date? Off to find a link to back up my comments.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:30 am1/ the Iraqi goverment have the power now to Boot American troops out / as of yesterday
2/ The Oil in the North stopped 4 years ago . yestaerday the Oil in the South stopped though strikes
3/ look at the equation here
Bush has let the Turks invade to justify America troops staying to provide security
Bush needs a means to stay , and still needs the Oil for a victory
this is stalling the innevitable
June 6th, 2007 at 11:33 amThe Iraqi government is issuing arrest warrants for the oil union leaders. They intend to quash the strike.
The oil law is a 30-year ripoff of Iraqi oil. This is the REAL reason Chimpy invaded Iraq.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:34 amhow many sparks are going to fly before the powderkeg ignites?
June 6th, 2007 at 11:35 amTurks go ballistic – from Juan Cole 2005 http://www.juancole.com/2005/10/sistani-may-call-for-us-withdrawal.html
Kirkuk is a powerkeg – Juan Cole 2005
June 6th, 2007 at 11:35 amhttp://www.juancole.com/2005/06/guerrillas-kill-29-iraqis-tuesday.html
Kurds, Turkmen and Arabs in conflict – will make Sarajevo look like a game of flag football.
theres 3 reasons
A/ The Turks have a quick war to try to stop the terrorist attacks
B / The Turks want the Oil
C/ Bush wants to stay in Iraq to provide security to Iraq from Future Invasions
I CHOOSE “C”
June 6th, 2007 at 11:35 amThe Kurds were getting restive to break away from Iraq forming their nation of Kurdistan and wanting the Kurdish area of Turkey to join them. So Bush decided to allow the Kurds to be punished to force them to completely bow down to him.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:36 amI think the Turks are acting precisely because the US is NOT in control, nor presents any viable deterent.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:38 amThere is bad blood between current US foreign policy and Turkish interests, as has been stated.
The US military is bogged down trying to control a single region of Iraq, Bush is preoccupied with trying to provoke Putin, and Condoleeza Rice is shoe shopping.
“Thousands of troops” is NOT a “raid limited in scope”.
A raid is when you send a platoon of troops, not a whole freakin’ brigade.
This is a new stage in the Iraq fiasco and it is going to make things much, much worse.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:38 amThis is just too friggin hilarious. Yo Peter, the first person to feign dumbfoundedness will be Rice.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:38 amGot military coup? Let’s pull the Cheney lice out of the White House and leave the heads to rot.
So now, a country we are occupying (Iraq) and a country to whom we owe mutual defense obligations (Turkey), are technically at war.
Has history ever witnessed a bigger clusterf*ck?
June 6th, 2007 at 11:41 amBush and his pals in Israel have always had a fall back position in Iraq. If they cannot control all of Iraq, then pull back into the Kurdish north and at least control the Kirkuk oil fields.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:42 amAt this rate, the entire middle east is set to explode. Everything the Neo Cons planned is falling apart at the seams.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:42 amWhy did Maliki a couple months ago tell the Arabs in Kurdistan to leave and pay them to leave ????
The Kurds have signed PSA’s already with Norwegian companied for Oil and BP for Gas
Turkey wants the money flowing though their pipeline
June 6th, 2007 at 11:46 amThe Kurds were getting restive to break away from Iraq forming their nation of Kurdistan and wanting the Kurdish area of Turkey to join them. So Bush decided to allow the Kurds to be punished to force them to completely bow down to him.
Comment by Jay Randal — June 6, 2007 @ 11:36 am
This is consistent at least with Bush’s reckless instinct to gamble, but I still cleave to the position that the US is simply not in control of anything in Iraq. With the entire country of Iraq in flames, Turks and Kurds fighting in the north, Shiite militias in the south and the ’surge’ wreacking mayhem in the middle, US public opinion should finally go off the cliff (even the US media can’t hide that?). The US surge is predicated on reducing violence, not increasing it.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:47 amAsk yourself why America is NOT protecting the Kurds then youll find the answer
America/Turkey are both in on the Act to steal Kurds oil…………
America will never ever get the Souths Oilfields …. Even in Basra they say welcome to Tehran as a joke
June 6th, 2007 at 11:48 am“he first person to feign dumbfoundedness will be Rice.”
get off her back! “spamalot” is back in town and she needsd new shoes.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:50 amNotice how the trolls are silent in here.
Apparently the Turkish Invasion talking point hasn’t been written by Karl Rove yet.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:52 amThey would, you know. The story is corroborated by Sueddeutsche Zeitung, nothing yet on BBC or of course CNN.
It doesn’t surprise me at all, if you take a close look on the map, you will find the region inhabited by Kurds covers a large part of Northern Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria. There is oil and other resources. Independence would make Kurdistan a very rich country, the size of Turkey itself, and take a large bite out of the income of the countries named above.
We’re talking about independence here, not about terrorism, as Turkey claims. Guess why Hussein killed the Kurds, guess why Turkey oppressed the Kurds for ages now (one of the reasons, why they are not yet member of the EU). And guess why Kurds are oppressed in Iran.
Again we are talking OIL.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:52 amSorry, CNN had it, I was just too dumb to find it.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:55 amTom3 > Bush lover trolls are still on the threads dealing with Gays in the military. They are slow to see new threads posted on TP.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:55 amIt is odd there is no coverage of this yet on the BBC…
June 6th, 2007 at 11:57 amI think the Turks are coming over because they think the Kurdish autonomy and control of the northern oil region is becoming too solid.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
BINGO!
There are 30 million Kurds in the world.
15 million of them are in Turkey.
About 1/3 of Turkish soil is inhabited by Kurds.
The Turks fear that if Iraqi Kurds gain any real autonomy, in Northern Iraq, that it will eventually inspire an uprising, of their own Kurdish population. Being that Kurds comprise about 1/4 of the Turkish population, it’s certainly a legitimate concern… to say the least.
Any talk, regarding this action as being some master plan, by the Bush administration, is giving Bush and his Neocon cronies WAY too much credit. They can barely control Baghdad, with troop levels already at very strained levels. Where are they going to get sufficient enough troops to be able to counter the Turks in the North and maintain order elswhere?
The Turks must surely have factored these conditions into their decision to cross the border.
I believe that this minor incursion, is merely a test, to see what reaction the US will have. Depending on how it goes, expect a possible full on invasion in perhaps a few weeks.
Also, after Cheney gets his way with Iran, perhaps sometime early next year, expect a World War to ensue. The Russians and the Chinese will not stand by any longer, at that point.
It’s inevitable. Be prepared.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:58 amIt was a very small title, doro, not to worry ….;)
June 6th, 2007 at 11:59 amThis report is a lie.
There were no “Kurdish Guerillas” to chase. This was a false flag operation – the exact template that will be used to allow US troops to “chase” what will be claimed to be “Iranian Guerillas” back across the border into Iran.
This is just telegraphing the forthcoming offensive invasion and justification.
June 6th, 2007 at 11:59 am“… and Condoleeza Rice is shoe shopping.”
Comment by heyzeus
You know what they say, heyzeus… when the going gets tough, the tough go shopping…
June 6th, 2007 at 12:00 pmAlso, after Cheney gets his way with Iran, perhaps sometime early next year, expect a World War to ensue. The Russians and the Chinese will not stand by any longer, at that point.
It’s inevitable. Be prepared.
Comment by JPV
Yeeeaaahhh… sadly, you’re probably right.
What about the possibility of a military coup in this country. Or George II declaring ‘martial law’?
June 6th, 2007 at 12:02 pmWha ha? I thought the Iranians were supposed to invade Iraq. Didn’t the Turks get Dumbya’s talking points?
June 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pmChimpy cannot barely control Baghdad. Only 1/3 of the neighborhoods are safe after 6 months of the surge. Baghdad is still out of control.
I hope Chimpy’s self-destructive policies do not also destroy the US.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pmThe Kurds have already signed Oil PSA’s with a Norwegian company and BP for the gas
http://www.kurdistancorporation.com/index.htm
on this website they boast for investment
An excellent security situation – not a single coalition soldier has lost their life nor a single foreigner been kidnapped in the area administered by the Kurdistan Regional Government.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pmWhat about the possibility of a military coup in this country. Or George II declaring ‘martial law’?
Comment by the republic of stupidity
ANYTHING is possible in this insane world we find ourselves in.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:07 pmNow the CNN article quotes a US official as saying:
June 6th, 2007 at 12:07 pm“Nothing is happening,…”
The build up on the border was noticed by America and they did nothing – WHY
looks like America and Turkey now own the Kurds oil forever
June 6th, 2007 at 12:08 pmThe Kurds have already signed Oil PSA’s with a Norwegian company and BP for the gas
http://www.kurdistancorporation.com/index.htm
on this website they boast for investment
An excellent security situation – not a single coalition soldier has lost their life nor a single foreigner been kidnapped in the area administered by the Kurdistan Regional Government.
Comment by Tobey Tall
Again, the Turks absolutely fear this sort of thing.
Oil revenues would allow the Kurds to rapidly build their military up, and potentially provide a counter to the Turkish military.
I think that the Turks want to nip this in the bud, before it becomes a potential problem for them, several years on down the line.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:11 pmHey! Iraq is a sovereign nation! And we were there to help establish that government! Iraq is our ally!
On to Turkey!
June 6th, 2007 at 12:13 pmOil WILL RUN OUT. Once it does, those middle east countries will have NOTHING. The US is pushing them to the brink of all out war. The sooner we get used to less oil the better off we will be and then when the oil does run out who will give two shits what happens in the middle east? Only the religious nutbars and their ‘holy lands’.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:13 pmGet ready for the Limbaugh talking points about the PKK Kurdish Workers Party.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:13 pmWasn’t Condi just in Turkey?
June 6th, 2007 at 12:14 pm“… and Condoleeza Rice is shoe shopping.â€
Comment by heyzeus
I absolutely love her shoe selection.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:14 pmBut her feet are as ugly as home made pie…***UGHH***
If Bush allowed it and looked away, then the Turks would kill the entire Kurdish population in the Middle East. It would be massive genocide. Turks tried to wipe out the Armenians about a hundred years ago.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThe build up on the border was noticed by America and they did nothing – WHY
looks like America and Turkey now own the Kurds oil forever
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 6, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
Still doesn’t fit. If the PKK can blow up the pipelines at will with a compliant Kurdish authority and the occupation of the rest of Iraq has ‘gone so well’ for the overstretched US military, why does provoking the friendliest group in Iraq by allowing the Turks a punitive expedition make any sense?
You can’t extract oil in the middle of a hostile population. Nope, the Turks are in the driver’s seat here.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:15 pmI think the Turks sense that the US has lost control (as evidenced by the Iraqi vote) and is exerting itself to gain influence while it can.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:17 pmANYTHING is possible in this insane world we find ourselves in.
Comment by JPV
No F*#king Sh*t… what a mess our beloved Commander-In-Chef has made for us all in just 6 yrs.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:20 pmIf Bush allowed it and looked away, then the Turks would kill the entire Kurdish population in the Middle East. It would be massive genocide. Turks tried to wipe out the Armenians about a hundred years ago.
Comment by Jay Randal
Man, some of you guys just don’t get it.
HALF THE KURDS IN THE WORLD LIVE IN TURKEY!
The don’t need to invade Iraq in order to commit genocide. And even if they wanted to commit genocide, they have the rest of the world coming down on the, like they did with Milosevic.
They are more concerned with stopping Iraqi Kurds from gaining statehood and benefiting from any potential oil revenues.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:21 pmCorrection:
CBS article quotes the US National Security Council spokesman as saying “nothing is happening…”
(my bad…..)
June 6th, 2007 at 12:22 pmOk, let’s see…
Two foreign wars, sucking up our military resources, no end in sight?
Check.
Nuclear sabre rattling with iran?
Check.
Firin’ up the ol’ cold war with russia?
Check.
Letting a heathen city get destroyed by the hand o’ god?
One down, check.
Removing pesky constitutional provisions like habeas corpus that try to tell me what to do?
Check.
Eliminatin’ interference by man in the affairs o’ god and nature through climate change?
Check.
Well, my work is almost done here. Gotta get back to crawford and get ready for the rapture.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:24 pmWell we can credit Chimpy McAWOL with one success story in his very long depressing administration – he has successfully ignited a regional war in the middle east. I’ll bet he’s upset now that it will take even longer to hand over the oil wells to his contributors at Exxon/Mobil and BP/Amoco.
Heckuva job, Chimpy
June 6th, 2007 at 12:26 pmIncidents like this were not supposed to happen until AFTER we leave Iraq.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:28 pmLOL JPV > Biggest population of Kurds is in Northern Iraq, but yes Turkey has a few million of them. Some historians claim that Turkey has killed about one million of them over the past century. Turks and Kurds are mortal enemies.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:28 pmSo Turkey just invaded foreign soil to persecute terrorists…isnt that a violation of international law?
Oh, I just forgot…
June 6th, 2007 at 12:30 pmROS –
I’m sure we domestic activists and most of the planet would love to see a military coup. The doors would have to be closed to the Democrats as well, though. We mustn’t ever forget their recent bank-breaking vote, which points up exactly why pundits who’ve been around the block many times covering many administrations appear to be right-leaning: they’ve seen what scumbags the Democrats are, and, although Bush’s fascist methods of gittin’ er done puts the whole country at risk, Russert and his type are probably just happy to see the Democrats finally getting theirs after so many decades of corruption.
Meantime I have to take back what I said about this being hilarious, FWIW. It occured to me that a friend of our family’s is over there now. He signed up for no rational reason and now regrets it. He’s not a violent kid, just a mite slow. Thoughts are with him and his mates.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:30 pmLook on the bright side, Chimpy McCodpiece would have liked to have been Baseball Commissioner if he’d not been ’selected’ President in 2000. At least you can still forget about all of this and go eat a hot dog and sing ‘Take me out..’ etc etc.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:30 pmLOL JPV > Biggest population of Kurds is in Northern Iraq, but yes Turkey has a few million of them.
Comment by Jay Randal
Where in the HELL do you get those “facts” from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_people
Total population
27 to 37.5 million
Regions with significant populations
Turkey 12 to 15 million
June 6th, 2007 at 12:41 pmIran 4.8 to 6.6 million
Iraq 4 to 6 million
Syria 0.9 to 2.8 million
JPV, there are ways to correct people, here. Take it easy.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:47 pmAnd this is, yet another reason, why Bush was warned not to invade Iraq.
The Kurds in Iraq and Turkey want their own Republic. If it is formed in what was formerly Northern Iraq, it sets the stage for regional war for the foreseeable future with it’s northwestern neighbors – Turkey.
The Iraq invasion/occupation of Iraq has destabilized the entire middle east. But, of course, that was precisely the point. War without end is the ultimate Neocon wet dream.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:48 pmThey are more concerned with stopping Iraqi Kurds from gaining statehood and benefiting from any potential oil revenues.
Comment by JPV
Me’thinks this is closest to the truth…
June 6th, 2007 at 12:49 pmTurkey might accept a Kurdistan, in Iraq, if they would be allowed to deport their entire population of Kurds from Turkey into Iraq. Giving up 1/4 of Turkey’s land to join the Kurds is NOT an option.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:54 pmJPV, there are ways to correct people, here. Take it easy.
Comment by Juan C
Yeah, I guess I just hate when people don’t do proper research and then spout off BS as fact.
June 6th, 2007 at 12:56 pmJPV > you have a bad attitude so go screw off. This site is about discussing things and not your petty bullcrap. It does not matter how many Kurds are in Turkey today or in Iraq > their heartland is considered to be northern Iraq, but yes there are several million in Turkey.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:02 pm96 comments and NOT ONE TROLL! It’s a record.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI smell something Rovian in the works.
Amazing 3 hours into this and SKY and BBC news have blanked this, must have been unexpected were still waiting to hear from the spin doctors first
June 6th, 2007 at 1:23 pmThe PKK Kurdish rebels have been at this since 1984. George Bush did not have anything to do with this.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:36 pmJPV > you have a bad attitude so go screw off.
Give ‘em Hell, Jay !
June 6th, 2007 at 1:37 pmActually he does Robert,
one of the many pre-war assessments Bush ignored, said that removing Saddam Hussien would get the Kurds in northern Iraq to push for an independant Kurdistan. The Turkish would not like that much, since the southern part of Turkey is largely Kurdish, and the Turkish Kurds would want to join their brothers to the south. Agian Bush chose to ignore the consequences, and has further destablized the region.
June 6th, 2007 at 1:45 pmWhere’s Condi to tell everyone that we’re simply witnessing the’birth pangs of the new Middle East’? Or is Footlocker running a twofer today?
June 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pmThe War in a Nut Shell
http://lordhumungus.ytmnd.com/
June 6th, 2007 at 2:16 pmThe more I read Bush “ignored” this warning or that warning, or ignored intelligence estimates, I have to start to wonder if that is really true, or if he DID read those reports, and wanted exactly what they predicted (a widespread, longterm war in the Middle East, a Sunni-Shia civil war, etc.).
June 6th, 2007 at 2:33 pm