Comments on: Sen. Whitehouse: Petraeus Has ‘Conflicting Loyalty,’ Independent Iraq Report Needed http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:29:25 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Clay http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3852593 Clay Tue, 12 Jun 2007 02:46:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3852593 Does that impress you, Lawrence Korb, high in Reagan's Defense Dept? Maybe you ought to read his piece before you put your weight on it. Suffice it to say, <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/25/korb-on-petraeus/#comment-3852563" rel="nofollow">I don't think much of it</a>. Does that impress you, Lawrence Korb, high in Reagan’s Defense Dept? Maybe you ought to read his piece before you put your weight on it. Suffice it to say, I don’t think much of it.

]]> By: John Gordon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3849714 John Gordon Sun, 10 Jun 2007 02:50:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3849714 This is the reason they hate us: I am outraged that National Lampoon is considering making a film on the Islamic belief of 72 Virgins… a comedy film. I think this is a sign of how far Hollywood has fallen when we turn to attacking groups for their religious beliefs and pass it off as cinema. Here is the trailer for evidence; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUYQwCW5ShQ John Gordon This is the reason they hate us:
I am outraged that National Lampoon is considering making a film on the Islamic belief of 72 Virgins… a comedy film. I think this is a sign of how far Hollywood has fallen when we turn to attacking groups for their religious beliefs and pass it off as cinema.
Here is the trailer for evidence;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUYQwCW5ShQ

John Gordon

]]> By: jim http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3849611 jim Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:39:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3849611 Please go the way of General Pace. Patreaus will allow American soldiers get slaughtered if it furthers his career with the neocon crowd. Please go the way of General Pace.

Patreaus will allow American soldiers get slaughtered if it furthers his career with the neocon crowd.

]]> By: Jess http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3848707 Jess Fri, 08 Jun 2007 23:15:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3848707 We're escalating the war. That's been made clear. When Petraeus says that what's gone down so far isn't even the half of it, that the full surge won't happen for another couple of weeks, that means we're going for a re-do of the war. We're going to be killing everything that moves. There's going to be acceptance for U.S. occupation or there's going to be nobody left alive in Iraq. Thanks Democrats! (for voting for that military spending bill 2 weeks ago) We’re escalating the war. That’s been made clear. When Petraeus says that what’s gone down so far isn’t even the half of it, that the full surge won’t happen for another couple of weeks, that means we’re going for a re-do of the war. We’re going to be killing everything that moves. There’s going to be acceptance for U.S. occupation or there’s going to be nobody left alive in Iraq.

Thanks Democrats! (for voting for that military spending bill 2 weeks ago)

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847808 Merlin Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:53:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847808 #34 Comment by Krazny — June 8, 2007 @ 12:19 pm <em>Agreed Jay. I was simply trying to point out the difference between a military mission, and a political mission.</em> What bothers me about your statement is not that you are wrong, rather it is that you imply that what the Coalition is doing is right. It is just that they are doing it wrong. The real point is that we had no right to invade Iraq or throw out Sadaam. We have no right to devistate their country nor set up huge permanent bases that thousands of our troops will occupy for 50 years. (The Korean strategy.) We have no right to attempt to set up a puppet government nor write the laws Iraqis will have to live by. We have no right to try and steal their natural resourses, or set up laws that turn them over to international oil companies. And on and on! It is stupid, in my view, to argue about the merits of a surge when our very invasion was built on lies. It is arrogant and insulting assume we will have 30 to 50 thousand troops staying there. It is stupid to even discuss it. We are not wanted there by 60% of the Iraqi people. We are occupiers in the middle of a civil war. There is only one thing that is morally, ethically and responsibly right to do. We must get out of soverign Iraq as fast as possible while doing so safely. All the rest is just talk set in the "frame" that the neocons have proposed. "War" "democracy" "freedom" "a soverign Iraq" "war on terror" are all frames of the neocons. To talk or argue about all these issues plays their game by their rules. #34 Comment by Krazny — June 8, 2007 @ 12:19 pm

Agreed Jay. I was simply trying to point out the difference between a military mission, and a political mission.

What bothers me about your statement is not that you are wrong, rather it is that you imply that what the Coalition is doing is right. It is just that they are doing it wrong.

The real point is that we had no right to invade Iraq or throw out Sadaam. We have no right to devistate their country nor set up huge permanent bases that thousands of our troops will occupy for 50 years. (The Korean strategy.) We have no right to attempt to set up a puppet government nor write the laws Iraqis will have to live by. We have no right to try and steal their natural resourses, or set up laws that turn them over to international oil companies. And on and on!

It is stupid, in my view, to argue about the merits of a surge when our very invasion was built on lies. It is arrogant and insulting assume we will have 30 to 50 thousand troops staying there. It is stupid to even discuss it. We are not wanted there by 60% of the Iraqi people. We are occupiers in the middle of a civil war.

There is only one thing that is morally, ethically and responsibly right to do. We must get out of soverign Iraq as fast as possible while doing so safely.

All the rest is just talk set in the “frame” that the neocons have proposed. “War” “democracy” “freedom” “a soverign Iraq” “war on terror” are all frames of the neocons. To talk or argue about all these issues plays their game by their rules.

]]> By: pgw http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847596 pgw Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:00:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847596 If? If?

]]> By: Karp's Disciple http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847510 Karp's Disciple Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:27:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847510 If Petreaus sells his troops down the Tigris and the Euphrates he won't be the first general or admiral to sell out to please his superiors in rank and authority. Military and naval history is full of examples. If Petreaus sells his troops down the Tigris and the Euphrates he won’t be the first general or admiral to sell out to please his superiors in rank and authority. Military and naval history is full of examples.

]]> By: spit take http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847486 spit take Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:20:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847486 Yup. The Chimp ain’t stupid. Comment by Zooey — June 8, 2007 @ 12:13 pm Well, I wouldn't go<em> that</em> far, Zooey. Yup. The Chimp ain’t stupid.

Comment by Zooey — June 8, 2007 @ 12:13 pm

Well, I wouldn’t go that far, Zooey.

]]> By: Keith H. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847485 Keith H. Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:20:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847485 Rally behind a Sept. deadline to REASSESS the war pigs strategy ?!?!? You've GOT to be EFFING kidding me !!! Why don't they just paste their grill on fox, look into the camera during the hours that all of the idiots are tuned in and say: We're going to keep sacrificing our troops in Iraq and killing thousands of innocent people while further bankrupting the United States just as long as we please. AND THERE"S NOT A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. Have a good evening and . . . God bless. (cut to suv commercial) Rally behind a Sept. deadline to REASSESS the war pigs strategy ?!?!?
You’ve GOT to be EFFING kidding me !!!

Why don’t they just paste their grill on fox, look into the camera during the hours that all of the idiots are tuned in and say:

We’re going to keep sacrificing our troops in Iraq and killing thousands of innocent people while further bankrupting the United States just as long as we please. AND THERE”S NOT A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. Have a good evening and . . . God bless. (cut to suv commercial)

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847483 Krazny Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:19:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847483 Agreed Jay. I was simply trying to point out the difference between a military mission, and a political mission. We here the support the mission thing so much, it has become hollow rhetoric. A military mission is to say take a city, bridge, ridge, etc. It is what they do, and what they did, by seizing baghdad. The mission of creating a functioning, secular democracy, is a political mission, and cannot be accomplished militarily. Agreed Jay. I was simply trying to point out the difference between a military mission, and a political mission.

We here the support the mission thing so much, it has become hollow rhetoric. A military mission is to say take a city, bridge, ridge, etc. It is what they do, and what they did, by seizing baghdad. The mission of creating a functioning, secular democracy, is a political mission, and cannot be accomplished militarily.

]]> By: pgw http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847471 pgw Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:16:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847471 from <strong>October 2004</strong>, here's petraeus' greatist hit: "BUSH: The best way for Iraq to be safe and secure is for Iraqi citizens to be trained to do the job. And that’s what we’re doing. We’ve got 100,000 trained now, 125,000 by the end of this year, over 200,000 by the end of next year. (END VIDEO CLIP) ZAHN: Jamie, are those numbers right? MCINTYRE: There’s a big dispute, Paula, about whether the Pentagon is overstating the number of Iraqis that are truly combat ready. But the general who’s in charge of the training, very respected general, General Petraeus, insists that 100,000 is the right number out of 164,000 in Iraq." those numbers were total crap. from October 2004, here’s petraeus’ greatist hit:

“BUSH: The best way for Iraq to be safe and secure is for Iraqi citizens to be trained to do the job. And that’s what we’re doing. We’ve got 100,000 trained now, 125,000 by the end of this year, over 200,000 by the end of next year.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ZAHN: Jamie, are those numbers right?

MCINTYRE: There’s a big dispute, Paula, about whether the Pentagon is overstating the number of Iraqis that are truly combat ready.

But the general who’s in charge of the training, very respected general, General Petraeus, insists that 100,000 is the right number out of 164,000 in Iraq.”

those numbers were total crap.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847465 Zooey Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:13:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847465 <em>Bush has experienced failure so often in his life, that he learned early on how important it was to have a scapegoat ready. Comment by spit take </em> Yup. The Chimp ain't stupid. Bush has experienced failure so often in his life, that he learned early on how important it was to have a scapegoat ready.
Comment by spit take

Yup. The Chimp ain’t stupid.

]]> By: veitnow http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847456 veitnow Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:11:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847456 nice suite general......... this is surely a guy who represents and leads his troops by example.. /sarc nice suite general………

this is surely a guy who represents and leads his troops by example..

/sarc

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847445 Jay Randal Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:09:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847445 Krazny > the mission in Iraq is to control the OIL, so Bush needs the military or mercenaries to do that. If Iraq was really about democracy, then we would depart leaving skid-marks. Krazny > the mission in Iraq is to control the OIL, so Bush needs the military or mercenaries to do that. If Iraq was really about democracy, then we would depart leaving skid-marks.

]]> By: spit take http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847444 spit take Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:08:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847444 When Bush says that he will leave it to Generals to decide,not politicians in Washington D.C. then Bush got this wrong. Comment by tarazan — June 8, 2007 @ 11:57 am Bush only said that so that he could avoid taking responsibility for his decisions. He didn't actually believe it. For Bush, an essential ingredient of every plan of action is to have in place someone on whom he can pin the blame for failures. Bush has experienced failure so often in his life, that he learned early on how important it was to have a scapegoat ready. When Bush says that he will leave it to Generals to decide,not politicians in Washington D.C. then Bush got this wrong.

Comment by tarazan — June 8, 2007 @ 11:57 am

Bush only said that so that he could avoid taking responsibility for his decisions. He didn’t actually believe it. For Bush, an essential ingredient of every plan of action is to have in place someone on whom he can pin the blame for failures.

Bush has experienced failure so often in his life, that he learned early on how important it was to have a scapegoat ready.

]]> By: brando http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847443 brando Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:08:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847443 Well hey, lets resurrect the Iraq Study Group! Their recommendations were ignored once. Why not a second time! Whoooo-weeeee.... Well hey, lets resurrect the Iraq Study Group! Their recommendations were ignored once. Why not a second time! Whoooo-weeeee….

]]> By: Krazny http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847435 Krazny Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:03:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847435 I think the biggest problem, is the mission is to establish a stable, secular democracy in Iraq. The problem is, this is a political mission, not a military mission. As long as the mission is political, it cannot be carried out by the military. Our forces end up propping up a government, that is unable to control its own country. I think the biggest problem, is the mission is to establish a stable, secular democracy in Iraq. The problem is, this is a political mission, not a military mission. As long as the mission is political, it cannot be carried out by the military. Our forces end up propping up a government, that is unable to control its own country.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847433 Jay Randal Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:03:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847433 If Americans were really wise, then we would inform the Congress that we will never vote for Senators to become president. None of them seem to do anything, but talk big, including Hillary and Obama. If Americans were really wise, then we would inform the Congress that we will never vote for Senators to become president. None of them seem to do anything, but talk big, including Hillary and Obama.

]]> By: tarazan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847420 tarazan Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:57:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847420 We have a civilian government ,so military people do not set the strategies and the policies. Military officers do run governments as dictators in many countries... When Bush says that he will leave it to Generals to decide,not politicians in Washington D.C. then Bush got this wrong. President Truman fired General Douglas McArther to show him that decisions are made in Washington and not by generals. An independent evaluation and assessment is needed here due to the fact that military generals hold jobs under Commander In Chief..and that's the President...It is like criticising your company's chairman. We have a civilian government ,so military people do not set the strategies and the policies.
Military officers do run governments as dictators in many countries…

When Bush says that he will leave it to Generals to decide,not politicians in Washington D.C. then Bush got this wrong.

President Truman fired General Douglas McArther to show him that decisions are made in Washington and not by generals.

An independent evaluation and assessment is needed here due to the fact that military generals hold jobs under Commander In Chief..and that’s the President…It is like criticising your company’s chairman.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/comment-page-1/#comment-3847416 ForTruth Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:56:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/08/whitehouse-petraeus/#comment-3847416 Why do you think the troops Lieberman spoke with didn't want to tell him how they really feel? Why was I slightly concerned about speaking out to the Speaker of the House about impeachment and tables? I gave my real information. Why do you think the troops Lieberman spoke with didn’t want to tell him how they really feel?

Why was I slightly concerned about speaking out to the Speaker of the House about impeachment and tables? I gave my real information.

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