Buckley: ‘Yes, free Libby.’
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Buckley: ‘Yes, free Libby.’
National Review’s William F. Buckley, the “godfather of modern conservatism,” acknowledges today that the “evidence appears to have been overwhelming that [Scooter Libby] lied to the FBI, and that in so doing he hindered the execution of justice.” But this offense, he says, is a mere “triviality,” and President Bush should “exhibit the courage for which he is loved and hated, by doing the right thing, and letting Mr. Libby get on with life.”
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Amazing… every day there is a new list of traitors to our Democracy that want to free Libby.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:24 pmFinally… SOMETHING Buckley’s entitled to be an expert on… trivialities!!
June 9th, 2007 at 2:26 pmMaybe he could rectify the situation by having Cheney serve out the sentance since Libby was a fall guy for Cheney’s agenda.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:26 pmThanks, Bill. We always suspected that your belief in “conservative principles,” like respect for the rule of law was a sham. It must hurt for a geriatric to fall off his moralistic high horse.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:27 pmit may not have been fair, but the little brat paris
had to go back and do her time…
nothing less for a treasonous stooge…
…
g’day all…
June 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pmLibby deserves his paltry sentence of 30 months in prison. He will go to a Camp Cupcake type prison anyways with tennis courts and swimming pool, so the least he can do is serve 30 months. Buckley has always been an idiot.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pmAt least Mr. Buckley acknowledges that Libby committed a crime, which is more than many other conservatives, both neo- and real, have done. But he gets it wrong by pronouncing this a mere triviality. Had Libby not obstructed justice, justice might have been done. Namely, that the whole mendacious enterprise that underpinned the march to war might have been exposed, and other criminal behavior prosecuted–or not. Until we can make that determination, let the one proven criminal stay behind bars.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:28 pmFree Paris. Phuk Libby.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:29 pmFREE SCOOTER!
Someone should start making t-shirts with Scooter’s face on ‘em and the above motto.
They’d sell like crack.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWell that makes sense. Libby lied to the FBI and “hindered the execution of justice” but, eh. So what? So much for all the crap about how Conservatives love the Constitution, and original intent, and the rule of law. It should be obvious to anyone that what they have really meant all these years is that the rule of law applies to everyone else. Republicans? Not so much. They’re above the law.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:31 pmf*ck you buckwheat.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:34 pmA taste of Bill’s hypocrisy (from an article criticizing Lieberman, for folding during the impeachment):
“Conservative voters don’t have very much to applaud in Lieberman. Yes, he has been faithful to his word in supporting the Iraq war. But his conservative impulses live very short lives. For a photogenic moment, he turned on Bill Clinton after the Lewinsky episode, registering dismay over what Clinton had been up to. The most decisive means for a Democratic senator to register that dismay was to vote to affirm the impeachment of Clinton. But Lieberman didn’t do that. When the big moment came, he voted against conviction. [. . .]
June 9th, 2007 at 2:37 pmThey’d sell like crack.
Comment by Mr. President
Sorry, the kind of “crack” righties are addicted to isn’t the kind you put in a pipe, Mr. P, but it is still appropriate to refer to them as ‘crackHEADS”.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:38 pmLaws are for the little people, liberals, Democrats, Latinos and Blacks, the poor and everyone else but the powerful and wealthy.
-GSD
June 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmTriviality…!!
June 9th, 2007 at 2:39 pmWhat world this Buckley is living in? !
FREE SCOOTER!
Someone should start making t-shirts with Scooter’s face on ‘em and the above motto.
Most people would think you’re advertising for the Scooter Store.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:40 pmAnd ask you where they can pick up their free scooter.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:43 pmBesides, Libby is a traitor and anyone who says he should be freed is equally traitorous.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:43 pmThey’d sell like crack.
Comment by Mr. President
Sorry, the kind of “crack†righties are addicted to isn’t the kind you put in a pipe, Mr. P, but it is still appropriate to refer to them as ‘crackHEADSâ€.
Comment by the republic of stupidity — June 9, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Sooo…. you peddle your ass on the streets of D.C.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:45 pmOookay, what ever floats your boat.
If Libby is pardoned, then the rule of law for the rest of us is out the window!! Everyone will realize that we are all “above the law” and can do whatever we desire….without penalty.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:45 pmI once knew someone that took a drug rap for a Senator’s son and his payoff was 18 months in Cupcake prison. No bars on the jail cells and yes, there are the tennis courts, and swimming pools in Cupcake prison. Life in prison for Libby won’t be so damn awful. Now if Libbly was being sent to Gitmo or some similar place, well, then it might be a stretch difficult for the Scooter.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:45 pmBetraying your country is a triviality! Disclosing to the enemy the names of a covert agent and an intelligence network working to discover Iranian WMD is a triviality. Destroying the lives of foreign agents who have entrusted themselves to the United States is a triviality. And protecting from prosecution those who conspired to commit this crime is a triviality. So much for the principled conservative, William Buckley.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:47 pmUnfortunately for Libby he must confess his crime and admit guilt to obtain a pardon. It won’t happen.
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Besides, Libby is a traitor and anyone who says he should be freed is equally traitorous.
Comment by SKdeA — June 9, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
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Yepper, you got that right. So many Republican traitors and troll traitors and not enough courts to try them and not enough rope to hang them.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:48 pmYes, free Scooter. Because, as we all know, all those silly laws do not apply to conservatives. Particularly rich and well-connected republicans. The rule of law is only to be used to control other people.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:48 pmSooo…. you peddle your ass on the streets of D.C.
Oookay, what ever floats your boat.
Comment by Mr. President
Huh? This makes no sense at all.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:50 pmBenedict Arnold was hung for treason and the Rosenbergs were executed for treason so Libby should consider himself fortunate because he won’t be executed for his acts of treason.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:52 pmIgnore mr president. He’s just as stupid as our current president, the boy Bush.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:52 pmIOKIYAR…
Same old verse, same as the first…
June 9th, 2007 at 2:58 pmTraitor Libby needs to rot in jail – and even that is not good enough for a Traitor who has yet to even express remorse for his traitorous endangerment of one serving our country in a covert operation. Libby’s one notorious “sicko”!
June 9th, 2007 at 3:02 pmYet in a different time:
JIM LEHRER:Bill Buckley, should the House vote articles of impeachment against the president?
WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY, Editor-at-Large, National Review: Positive.
JIM LEHRER: Why?
WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY: Why?
JIM LEHRER: Yes.
WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY: Well, for the reasons enumerated. The fact of the matter is that he is proven guilty of disreputable behavior. His reasons for doing it are self-serving, legalistic, formalistic. The gravity of what he did is measured by the impact of it. The fact that you’re devoting the entire program to it and have on several occasions is an index of that gravity. And the wonderful resilience of the Constitution is that it provides for situations in which a miscast leader can be removed without upsetting anything. I remember The Economist pointed out that a great tribute to the Constitution was that when Nixon resigned from office, there were two policemen outside the White House. It is a tribute to that resilience, I think, that grown-ups should now face and do the right thing.
…
WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY: I think it’s hard to say how the Framers – if they were confronted with the situation – would react. But it seems to me that a general sense of what was considered permissible in the company of these men would have made what Mr. Clinton did inconceivable.
He lied under oath.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/july-dec98/buckley_12-14.html
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On the one hand, “The fact of the matter is that he is proven guilty of disreputable behavior. … The gravity of what he did is measured by the impact of it.”
On the other hand, he refers to “the triviality of Libby’s offense.”
So, on the one hand, impeach a Democratic President.
On the other hand, let a Republican Chief of Staff to the Vice President go free.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:08 pmMr. Buckley,
June 9th, 2007 at 3:16 pmIf you don’t like it here why don’t you leave?
Rethuglicans are worst than fascists. They think it is okay to obstruct justice and lie to the federal prosecutors unless it is lying about extra-marital affairs. Worthless traitorous pigs.
Nothting worse than a lying sack of shit rethuglican. Un-American, Un-patriotic, chickenshit, chickenhawk, cowardly, crooks. They are all f$cking thugs in this crime family. Scooter should rot until he tells the truth about Dubya and Cheney and Rove….then they can let the weasel out of jail.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:21 pmMeanwhile, administration allies are seeking to discredit Wilson, whose wife was named as a CIA operative. RNC Director Ed Gillespie said Wilson is prone to “rash statements” and is “someone – given his politics – who is obviously prone to think the worst of this White House.”
However, as the former US ambassador to Iraq, Joseph Wilson was formally commended by the Bush Sr. administration for his bravery and heroism in the weeks leading up to the 1991 Persian Gulf War. At that time Wilson was the only open line of communication between Washington and Saddam Hussein and the White House consulted Wilson daily. Wilson also helped evacuate thousands of foreigners from Kuwait, negotiated the release of more than 120 American hostages and sheltered nearly 800 Americans in the embassy compound. President Bush the First wrote Wilson in a letter which read in part: “Your courageous leadership during this period of great danger for American interests and American citizens has my admiration and respect.â€
Anyone who reads this knows that Wilson served America well. Mr Libby, now a criminal, did not.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:28 pmSooo…. you peddle your ass on the streets of D.C.
Oookay, what ever floats your boat.
Comment by Mr. President
Huh? This makes no sense at all.
Comment by the republic of stupidity — June 9, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
Do I have to spell it out for ya.
You provide a service to men on the streets of D.C. in exchange for money or goods of some sort.
You know… you peddle your ass.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:29 pmHow many standards can a conservative have? As many as are warranted to preclude any of their ilk from being wrong…about anything! This guy used to have something to say, now he couldn’t sell his autograph to any clear thinking individual.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:34 pmYou know… you peddle your ass.
Comment by Mr. President
Assuming facts not in evidence.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:35 pmWilliam F. Buckley,
You better have the same generous interpretation of law when it comes to the rest of the population, or you might well fit the description of an elitist hack. What part of perjury, what part about George Bush’s campaign for RULE of LAW in Iraq and around the world do you not understand? What part about this conviction of p-e-r-g-u-r-y and it’s effect of o-b-s-t-r-u-c-t-i-o-n of j-u-s-t-i-c-e in the highest court in the land, in a case that relates to something as immeasurably important as the justification for the country’s going to war, W-A-R, do you not fully appreciate and comprehend?!?! Where is your credibility sir?! Where is it? Surely you must have been this outspoken about how former President Clinton did commit perjury, but that it was of very trivial consequence and therefore should be dismissed!!! Surely you had this integrity to at least be consistent in your bloviation. Needless to say, I have great confidence that you do not have that integrity and did not behave consistently. It would be uncharacteristic of your ‘party’ to be consistent, a ‘party’ whose hallmark is, in fact, hypocrisy and corruption.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:37 pmYou know… you peddle your ass.
Comment by Mr. President
Assuming facts not in evidence.
Comment by Stella Octangula — June 9, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
Withdrawn.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:37 pmSorry, the kind of “crack†righties are addicted to isn’t the kind you put in a pipe, Mr. P, but it is still appropriate to refer to them as ‘crackHEADSâ€.
Comment by the republic of stupidity — June 9, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Mr. Stupidity,
Would you mind telling the court exactly what kind of “crack righties are addicted to”?
June 9th, 2007 at 3:41 pmHow many standards can a conservative have?
The cons standard blow with the wind, Bush Sr was well served by Wilson. The weasel words coming from the Sccoter crowd are just that. They are so hungry to gain public support for their party of corruption is truly sad. It is so bad they must try and make a man found guilty of a crime their poster boy.
This like making Richard Nixon a poster boy for legal wiretaps
June 9th, 2007 at 3:43 pmthis conservative meme of ’sure libby’s guilty as hell but he’s nice guy in person so just let him go is just incredible. Incredible that they would have that much chutzbah; incedrible that they have that much contempt for the legal system; incredible that no one except left blogostan is doing anything more than yhawning.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:45 pm.
Would you mind telling the court exactly what kind of “crack righties are addicted to�
Comment by Mr. President — June 9, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Mr. President, it is obvioust the thugs in the Republican Party are addicted to the ass crack of this administration, Dubya Bush, Dick Cheney, and KKKarl Rove. They are worthless, delusional, menaces to society and our way of life. I am so glad their party is going down the shitter.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:46 pmWould you mind telling the court exactly what kind of “crack righties are addicted to�
Comment by Mr. President — June 9, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Hey, it’s little boy’s butt-crack of course. Nice rhetorical question, Mr Pee.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:48 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/july-dec98/buckley_12-14.html
June 9th, 2007 at 3:48 pmBill Buckley, should the House vote articles of impeachment against the president?
WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY, Editor-at-Large, National Review: Positive.
JIM LEHRER: Why?
WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY: Why?
JIM LEHRER: Yes.
WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY: Well, for the reasons enumerated. The fact of the matter is that he is proven guilty of disreputable behavior. His reasons for doing it are self-serving, legalistic, formalistic. The gravity of what he did is measured by the impact of it.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:49 pmWILLIAM F. BUCKLEY: I think it’s hard to say how the Framers – if they were confronted with the situation – would react. But it seems to me that a general sense of what was considered permissible in the company of these men would have made what Mr. Clinton did inconceivable. He lied under oath.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:49 pmSorry for the piecemeal posts, but they are disappearing and reappearing.
45 – Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 9, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
46 – Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 9, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
46 – Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 9, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
I’ve tried twice to put everything in one post, but TP’s too-much-truth filter keeps filtering out too much truth in one post.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:52 pmSo, on the one hand, impeach a Democratic President.
On the other hand, free a Republican Chief of Staff to the Vice President.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:53 pmLooks like I’m not the only one with disappearing posts…
Catch you later, TP.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:56 pmI’ll take any of these mofos filling in for Scootie Pootie. If they care about Scootie Pootie so much then they should be willing to switch places with Scootie Pootie. BTW, I am sure Buckley is another sheeckenhawk who has no clue about the true sacrifice of soldiers. Buckley is the same kind of fool who I have no doubt would not want to fund veterans’ care. And I mean walking the walk not just talking the talk. If Buckley was actually presented with the bill for the care of all these soldiers I have absolutely no doubt the pig would say “too bad, so sad, they had the choice of not serving, they served and were stupid enough to get injured, they should have had private insurance and their own short term and long term disability, it’s not my responsibility as a taxpayers to pay for these leeches.”
June 9th, 2007 at 3:57 pmBut if ole scooter got a blow job, now that is serious impeachable.
Look, CIA agents are dead because these traitors gave up a covert operation. They should be shot by firing squad for treason, not pardoned.
June 9th, 2007 at 3:58 pmWilson=evacuate thousands of foreigners from Kuwait
negotiated the release of more than 120 American hostages
sheltered nearly 800 Americans in the embassy compound.
Libby=Helped, thru fabrications, to begin a war that would waste lives, obstructed justice and has worked to erode the foundation of our nation. Moreso Libby was a laywer and knew what he was doing was wrong. He cannot claim ignorance of the law.
President Bush the First wrote Wilson in a letter which read in part: “Your courageous leadership during this period of great danger for American interests and American citizens has my admiration and respect.â€
What does this tell our children? That it’s okay to lie? That obstruction justice is a trivial matter? That it’s no more a crime than littering? And those such as Buckley who back a pardon, what will have been solved? Will pardoning Libby stop these highhanded hinjinks by the supposedly best and brightest?
Mr Buckley has a very dim view of honesty.
The Conservatives act as if Wilson was a loose cannon, the fact is he served under Bush Sr in Gulf 1.
I want to hear nothing more of this pardon of Libby, the man is a disgrace to the Republicans and to every American.
June 9th, 2007 at 4:02 pmDo it!
June 9th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI challenge Bush to defy the desires of a super majority of Americans. Americans who wanted Libby to pay for his crimes.
“…let… Mr. Libby get on with life.â€
Yes, and also so his unhappy wife can finally take off those shades in public.
June 9th, 2007 at 4:29 pmPardon Paris Hilton as well.
Hell, give one to Charles Manson while youre at it. He never killed anyone himself.
June 9th, 2007 at 4:46 pmHe is guilty, but it was a trivial coverup to hide deceit by this misadministration to get us into a protracted war in Iraq. He should be pardoned, so he can get on with his life.
OMG!
More than 3,500 servicewomen and men will not be getting on with their lives, because of the dishonesty Libby tried to cover up. Buckley just lost whatever thread of integrity I thought he might have retained.
June 9th, 2007 at 4:47 pmRNC Director Ed Gillespie said Wilson is prone to “rash statements†and is “someone – given his politics – who is obviously prone to think the worst of this White House.â€
The RNC director doesn’t know sh*t from shine. Ed Gillespie is nothing more than another traitor. I say “bring back the gallows!” and we can start with the Scooter unless he “talks” and then we can break in the gallows with the main traitor – ole deadeye Dick Cheney himself. Traitor Rove can watch while he awaits his turn.
“Traitors don’t get to question my patriotism”.
Signed: All the dead military that returned in coffins draped with flags that the newspapers refuse to print.
June 9th, 2007 at 4:50 pmYes, covering up a crime of treason is definitely “trivial”. If Buckley thinks that is “trivial”, I wonder what he considers to be important?
I am still furious that no one was charged with treason. All the neoCONS keep saying that no crime was committed and that Valerie Plame was not covert, or if she was, the people who outed her didn’t know she was covert. Well, if that is true, then why did the people who talked to Novak also reveal the name of her cover agency Brewster Jennings. The fact that they revealed the cover company name along with Valerie’s is proof positive to me that they knew she was covert. A non-covert agent certainly doesn’t need a cover agency. Those people who talked to Knovak and even Knovak himself are all guilty of treason and should be tried, convicted and put in jail where they belong. We may never know how many other agents were harmed by the outing of Brewster Jennings. For all we know, people may have died. But, we won’t know because the CIA’s investigation into the Valerie Plame link is……can you guess…..classified!
June 9th, 2007 at 4:57 pmThe treatment Paris Hilton is receiving is just a “triviality.” The same Repugs who scream so loudly that she must serve all her time, just like anyone else, are screaming that Scooter should not serve. Again, the party of hypocrisy not so deftly rears its ugly head.
June 9th, 2007 at 5:10 pmYes, Scooter Libby should be free to get on with his life. AFTER he does his time. He’s lucky he’s not being hung for treason, which is what he deserves.
Tired of the Criminal Party…
June 9th, 2007 at 5:19 pm#52 You think Bush would NOT defy America or a majority of the people over the Scooter crimes? But of course he would! This is “small potatoes” brand of defiance compared to his defiance of a majority of voters who cast their ballots for President Gore back in 2000…You don’t think these criminals give a rats ass about the will of the majority, do you? That, unfortunately, used to be the case when the U.S.A. was still a democracy.
June 9th, 2007 at 5:21 pmRethuglicans are worst than fascists. They think it is okay to obstruct justice and lie to the federal prosecutors unless it is lying about extra-marital affairs. Worthless traitorous pigs.
Yep, and Clinton and Marc Rich thought it was ok to evade taxes.
June 9th, 2007 at 5:37 pmWilliam F. Buckley was, is and always will be a pompous, psuedo-intellectual (that’s right, not really very bright; just a word dropper/freak/punk) who abused the public for the sake of his party. Look at his support for MORON RONNIE RAY-GUNS!!! He actually supported making Americans dumber so that his ruling class buddies could get richer everyday of every year!! He abandoned conservatism years and years ago!!
Buckley = CUA!!!
June 9th, 2007 at 5:55 pmClinton pardoned people.
No Underlying Crimeâ„¢
This is a trivial matter.
Hasn’t he suffered enough just having people say mean things about him?
Did I mentioned Clinton Did It Tooâ„¢?
June 9th, 2007 at 5:57 pm# 63-
When exactly was Clinton convicted of tax evasion? I seem to have not read the papers that day.
And, of course, you do know that Scooter Libby was Marc Rich’s lawyer, don’t you? I’m sure you do but you’re just another traitor spewing out repub lies and denying any facts that don’t fit in with your twisted world construct.
June 9th, 2007 at 6:07 pmoops- my post was directed at # 61, aka m12, and not at the omnipotent RoboTroll 3100.
June 9th, 2007 at 6:08 pm61
June 9th, 2007 at 6:13 pmWe got one of those cooped up “I don’t have to pay taxes” wackos up here in NH right now. Why are these freak always righties? If he and his wife aren’t bizarre enough, apparently there are these other kooks which have pledged themselves to defend them if/when the big bad government comes to get em. Whatever happened to those losers in Montana? I forget their tax evading gun toting pretend patriotism name.
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President Bush should “exhibit the courage for which he is loved and hated, by doing the right thing, and letting Mr. Libby get on with life.â€
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Oh yes yes. Yes yes. Sure he obstructed justice and helped reveal the identity of a U.S. spy network working to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East, but I’m sure all those people weren’t doing anything particularly important anyway. Surely they all can get back to their careers and continue to do their good work for our country.
Oh wait…
- Tom
June 9th, 2007 at 6:14 pmWilliam F. Buckley is trivial.
June 9th, 2007 at 6:26 pmWe got one of those cooped up “I don’t have to pay taxes†wackos up here in NH right now. Why are these freak always righties? If he and his wife aren’t bizarre enough, apparently there are these other kooks which have pledged themselves to defend them if/when the big bad government comes to get em. Whatever happened to those losers in Montana? I forget their tax evading gun toting pretend patriotism name.
Comment by dbadass
We’ve got those nuts by the barrel in Idaho. When I used to work in the Tax Collector’s office years ago, every now and then one of these yahoos would march in and start to say, “I want to renounce my American citizenship!” By the time they got to the word “renounce,” I was pointing them to the Auditor’s office, cuz I didn’t want to hear it — again.
They don’t mind costing other taxpayers money by being a burden on the legal system, and they certainly call the taxpayer-paid cops when they have a problem, and go to the county hospital when they’re hurt or sick. Filthy hypocrites.
Oy….
June 9th, 2007 at 6:53 pmno fool like an old fool.
the neocons are threatening to pull the plug on his resporator if he doesn’t sing their propaganda
June 9th, 2007 at 8:10 pm…from the Party that impeached a President for the same offense… lying to a Grand Jury. And what’s this their now saying about a “rogue prosecutor”???
Pardon me while I throw up!
June 9th, 2007 at 8:22 pmhere’s more of Clinton’s pardons:
1st of all, the reason we learned about Monica is due to Clinton using campaign money to buy gifts for her!
2nd of all, are you suggesting that it was OK for Clinton to lie under Oath (same crime as Libby’s) due to what he lied about?
Now, what we are upset by in the Libby case is that Fitzgerald new that Libby was not the source of the supposed leak before he put him on the stand, he knew that Armitage was the source of the leak, and isn’t it odd that Armitage is not serving any time, but Libby gets tripped up on when he first learned of Plame.
To top it all off, this all started due to a inexcusible Lie! and 100% fabricated story by Mr Wilson who reported to the CIA that a Government official in Nigeria did meet with Iraqi agents and were under the impression that they were seeking Yellow Cake and blew them off due to the UN sanctions. So, in his report to the CIA, he added more credibility to the intelligence.
6 months later French officials discovered some documents that they say were forged and supposedly show an actual deal between Nigeria and Iraq, why does this matter? because not too long after, Wilson comes out with a book and in an interview says that using those documents (which he said “he discovered were forgeries because the names and dates did not match”) he discredited the British Nigeria intel and that Bush knowingly ignored his conclusion that he had discredited the British intel and used info that was false.
Of course the media and all of you liberals jumped all over that, but you all seem to have ignored the following info pretty well:
Now here’s what Wilson reported to the CIA as per the testimony of CIA officials to the comittie:
So none of this would have ever taken place had Wilson not gone out and sold a lie and a complete fabrication to the media conveniently at the same time his book was being released!
June 9th, 2007 at 8:26 pmYeah, Buckley’s a real stand-up guy:
Buckley on “trivialities” like perjury:
Can’t we, as conservatives, reasonably hope for sounds of a public reaffirmation of personal and professional codes of conduct? If not, are we declaring that protracted sexual exhibitionism followed by perjury and deceit is okay, provided interest rates and unemployment and inflation are low? Or has there been a revision of the moral code? (Oct 12, 1998)
- So the House is left with a clear-cut perjury notwithstanding the formalistic denials of management’s legal team. Those who believe that Clinton has disqualified himself as competent to serve as president keep telling us that perjury is a very serious business. Representative Henry Hyde has said time and again that in the absence of the enforcement of the law on perjury, the whole foundation of democratic government is shaken….But something is obviously needed in order to dramatize the gravity of the offense…This, then, will be Lady Macbeth time. Will Clinton feel the wound? Or will he succeed in simply ignoring it, as he has his oath of office? (Dec 5, 1998)
June 9th, 2007 at 8:31 pmStar (the prosecutor in the Clinton case) made a deal with Clinton not to prosecute him if Clinton agreed to a Plea Bargain after he left office!
Star said that he did not think it would be good for the country to file charges against him while he was in office!
June 9th, 2007 at 8:38 pmThis is EXACTLY why…
…CONNED’SELF-Servatives…
…should be DESTROYED…
June 9th, 2007 at 8:43 pmYo Zooey,
I know where you’re coming from. I used to live in the Northwest, back when The Posse Comitatus and their ilk were making news. Yeah, those guys were way out there, but I’ve recently discovered that some of the modern tax resisters are a different breed.
A while back, someone brought over ‘America: Freedom to Fascism’, Aaron Russo’s latest film. Russo has a long history in the Biz; e.g., manager for Bette Midler and The Manhattan Transfer; producer of films The Rose and Trading Places; he has an Emmy, a Tony and a gold record; his films have received six academy award nominations and have also won a number of Golden Globe awards.
More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Russo
Just saying that the guy has some cred. As far as I know, he’d never done a documentary, but one day he became curious about the tax resisters and began looking into it. What he discovered astonished him. The film is a documentary that delves into the history of the Federal Reserve System and the Internal Revenue Service.
It’s worth watching and very watchable; Aaron has an interesting interviewing style. If you can’t wait for netflix, you might check out ‘The Money Masters’ on google video. Same subject, but even more comprehensive.
Ciao,
June 9th, 2007 at 9:00 pmComment by Zooey — June 9, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Oh yeah, Comment by Wrasscal — June 9, 2007 @ 9:00 pm relates to the post above.
June 9th, 2007 at 9:02 pmThe triviality of the comment is trivial.
June 9th, 2007 at 9:33 pmI’d agree with Buckley’s assessment, for the purposes of his audience.
June 9th, 2007 at 9:40 pmBrain,
June 9th, 2007 at 9:51 pmThere are so many factual errors with what you wrote, I hardly know where to begin. Do I start with the oh-so-very-old “Clinton did it too” argument, or do I jump right in on what the lies were. Honestly. who wants to go 10 FREAKING YEARS back to Monicagate. (and btw, as this played out nightly on every channel in the world, where were all the people CONservatives screaming about the ficticious ‘liberal’ media).. I digress. 1) we learned about Monica because of a fishing expedition by the right called Whitewater. And Dems, actually following the constitution, actually allowed for an investigation to take place. (Can you see Alberto Gonzales allowing something like whitewater being allowed a special prosecutor??) Gifts being exchanged had nothing to do with Monica coming to light. Ever heard of Linda Tripp?? Ok, enough said there..
2) We are NOT suggesting it was OK for Clinton to lie under oath just because of what he lied about. HOWEVER the difference is that one lie does not rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors,(you know.. the constitutional standard for impeachment…) while the other lie just happens to rise to the level of TREASON. (cliche’ but true… nobody died when Clinton lied). What nobody ever seems to remember is that Clinton was actually ACQUITTED in a REPUBLICAN SENATE TRIAL. Libby … GUILTY of obstructing justice in the investigation of the outing of a covert CIA operative. Clinton lied to avoid embarrassing himself, his wife, his administration, the country over an extra marital affair. I’m sorry, what were Scooter (what-kind-of-a-grown-man-calls-himself-scooter) Libby’s reasons for Lying.. Oh yeah… to protect Cheney. Because while it is known that Armitage (so he says) was a leaker, there is STILL evidence implicating Dead-eye-”Dick”! man… I’ll stop there. It’s hard being this right.
Billy the Buck, along with his phony ass patrician accent, can take the next Greyhound bus to nowhere. He is obviously starving for attention, as no one really gives a shit anymore about anything he says or writes.
June 9th, 2007 at 10:20 pmA real shame, such a waste of a brain.
Let me add my own “F*ck that noise.”
June 9th, 2007 at 11:25 pmYes, free Libby…as soon as he flips on his boss.
June 10th, 2007 at 12:22 amVery late to this thread, and this probably won’t get read, but Buckley should be ashamed of himself. He is obviously intelligent and thoughtful, but his failure to live up to his creed (that of the conservative/neocon/right wing/republican/law-and-order – for lack of a more acurate description) is based on intellectual dishonesty. Intellectual dishonesty is a moral failure.
June 10th, 2007 at 12:29 amsmafdy, nobody (except the very foolish) has ever accused Buckley of being a moral compass.
June 10th, 2007 at 12:33 amLibby should go to jail for lying to the federal prosecutors and grand jury because it is against the law. He had numerous chances to make it right, just like KKKarl Rove.
If Libby goes to jail, he may decide to sing the song that Fitzgerald wants to hear, that he was following orders of Cheney and Dubya.
Cons are hypocritical sons of bitches, to say the least.
June 10th, 2007 at 1:42 amBenedict Arnold was hung for treason and the Rosenbergs were executed for treason so Libby should consider himself fortunate because he won’t be executed for his acts of treason.
Comment by Coffins draped with flags — June 9, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
I know this is VERY late (a side effect of my work hours) but, Benedict Arnold wasn’t hanged–he died in England in relative peace and quiet*. You may be thinking of Patrick “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death” Henry.
*I’m going by what I recall from my history readings. Also, if memory serves, Arnold was widely despised by the British people following his move to England. Yes, he helped the British cause in the Revolution, but Arnold had committed treason against the Crown at the onset of the Revolution and was therefore seen as a traitor twice.
June 10th, 2007 at 2:40 amYou are right JosephW. Benedict Arnold was a very good general for the colonies. He, however, was an attention hog and didn’t like it when other people took credit for his victories. He decided to get revenge by betraying the rebels. Didn’t work out very well for him. He was hated on both shores by the end of his life because he was a traitor to both his countries.
June 10th, 2007 at 2:51 amSo if I’m understanding all of the Libby supporters (i.e. republicans) who are in favor of giving up their “no one is above the law” creed for “trival” offenses, does this mean they would favor striking Bill Clinton’s perjury charge for lying about sex off the books that would therefore void his impeachment as well?
June 10th, 2007 at 7:11 amI don’t get it. When Former President Clinton lied the neocon wanted to impeach Clinton and this Libby guy lied but this was alright. They want to have Libby pardon. I guess their is a double standard. What am I missing.
June 10th, 2007 at 7:36 amOh My God, This is how our whole government is run right now. Our government is trying to work around all the rules and laws created by the government. We have the anti-government GOVERNMENT or aka “The Bizarro Government”.
June 10th, 2007 at 10:16 amApologies, JosephW, for my error. Never the less, B. Arnold was a traitor and the Rosenbergs were executed for treason. So Libby is getting off easy and should be grateful that he only has to serve 30 months in Cupcake prison.
Anyone that protects a criminal is just as guilty as the criminal. If dead-eye Dick and traitor Rove exposed the name of a CIA agent, anyone that know’s about this treason and protects the traitors, is equally guilty of treason. Scooter will be forever known as a traitor to his country. He protected traitors that jeapardized the security of our nation.
June 10th, 2007 at 10:19 ambuckles is a senile putz that has always acted as one of the priveleged. law is for those that can’t purchase the judge or jury, not bill.
I want to secede from this “union” can we give them the eastern half of the country? the wind blows that way, so once separate, they may ignore us if we don’t send them more pollution than we do now
June 10th, 2007 at 11:40 am