CIA running a network of secret prisons in Europe.
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CIA running a network of secret prisons in Europe.
Not important enough to justify a mention on NBC’s Nightly News.
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ok was true, Romania was promised entry to NATO and Bush fixed that in 2004 also the Chezchs leased land to America , Its all been rumbled now
But now they have moved to , Somalia, Ethiopia and Kenya and still happening
June 11th, 2007 at 6:22 pmWho has the time….?
June 11th, 2007 at 6:22 pmreally, they just keep setting little fires all over the place.
June 11th, 2007 at 6:27 pmDidn’t the administration say they were going to close down the secret prisons?
Oh, yeah…another lie.
June 11th, 2007 at 6:34 pmWhaaaa? There’s secret prisons?
June 11th, 2007 at 6:39 pmHey, isn’t that Nicole getting out of that limo?
…and America wants to tell…
…China. Russia. Iran, Sudan and Venezula…
…to respect human rights?
…the Bushites are shi*ting on this country…
…but because they’re mostly privileged WASPs…
…they can get away with it…
June 11th, 2007 at 6:43 pmIs there any way in my wildest dreams that the courts will notice the sham of the thin veil separating prisons on US soil and prisons run by the US and apply their recent ruling on indefinite detention on US soil to apply to keeping persons in foreign prisons without benefit of trial, appeal or even simple habeus ?
June 11th, 2007 at 6:44 pmWonder why the Trolls aren’t on this thread……… OHHHHH, they are still getting their talking points from the torture-meister Darth and his step-son, Gonzo.
Glad we resolved that little issue.
June 11th, 2007 at 6:46 pmWonder why the Trolls aren’t on this thread……… OHHHHH, they are still getting their talking points from the torture-meister Darth and his step-son, Gonzo.
Glad we resolved that little issue.
Comment by upside00 — June 11, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
I tried to post something a second ago, but shit got fukced up for some reason.
June 11th, 2007 at 6:52 pmWait a min. this isn’t the negated no-confidence thread?!?!?!?!?!
June 11th, 2007 at 6:53 pmMaybe Europe can teach them how to handle Gitmo.
Nuremberg prosecutor says Guantanamo trials unfair
Sigh
June 11th, 2007 at 7:00 pmYeah you’ve linked to a media matters story there which tells you that this information is so NOT news that even Bush has acknowledged it.
And that happened 9 months ago.
Why should they put it on the news on this one particular night, if at all ?
There is no story apart from the fact that a small group of Europeans now know what a large group of the rest of the world have been saying for quite some time.
Except only in regard to a small subsection of those earlier reports.
Perhaps NBC checked the sources and claims you didn’t and discovered just how insignificant this development was on a story which has already been reported on in far more detail with far more scope.
June 11th, 2007 at 7:02 pmYes, but what are the Democrats in Congress going to do about it?
June 11th, 2007 at 7:04 pmSince it doesn’t fit the propaganda but is the Truth, it’s of little consequence to the corporately owned media who are the whores of Team Bush. That’s clear. Why is anyone shocked or surprised?
As time goes on, folks will find that every argument about Team Bush being somehow “above” the reprehensible thought of actually being involved in 911 will be faced with the new awareness which is being formulated with each passing day…..each passing scandal….and each nadir (low) this group is involved in……
Several years ago, the mere thought would have been unpopular…now it’s looking like a probability. And the worst thing any intelligent human being can do is continue to discount that feeling in one’s “gut” which never lies, never distorts, never intellectualizes, and never believes the propaganda and spin…..trust it, folks and the Truth will finally set you free.
June 11th, 2007 at 7:08 pmDon’t you know that Paris Hilton is the most important new story ? Who cares if America is becoming a fascist state ?
June 11th, 2007 at 7:19 pm#11 So kilo, your point is that you favor secret prisons and state-sanctioned torture without regard to basic human rights or the rule of law?
June 11th, 2007 at 7:22 pmGonzo, their hero and chief water boy, for developing and coordinating novel legal theories to violate the “quaint” Geneva Conventions and related federal law, enabling illegal wiretapping, fixing elections, and politicizing the Department of Justice as a political arm of the White House. Next step must be impeachment.
June 11th, 2007 at 7:31 pmKeep those prisons open…
…we definitely need ‘em…
…to house:
Bush
June 11th, 2007 at 7:32 pmCheney
Rummy
Gonzo
AIPAC agents
PNAC scum
Clear channel radio
Rupert Murdoch and the gang
and ALL conservatives
You’re not smart. This article tells you that there is only one major TV news program that hasn’t reported on this.
NBC and nobody else is Team Bush is it ?
One would suspect the main “somehow” in that equation being Team Clinton, who was running shit when the plot and all hijackers were put in place.
Right. Is there actually an “evidence” left at this point, claimed by 9/11 conspiracy theorists that hasn’t been thoroughly debunked ?
Yeah that’s really progressed well hasn’t it.
Yeah. You hear that from a lot of people with unpopular yet credible claims.
Why just last week I saw An Inconvenient Truth in which Al Gore, with no available evidence to back his claims of global warming, presented dozens of slides about how to trust your gut when it came to climate change.
June 11th, 2007 at 7:36 pmYeah. And by pointing out that Nagasaki getting bombed isn’t news either I also favour the vaporisation of hundreds of thousands of people.
Try and use your fkn head before posting for once. I know you’ll stand out like a sore thumb around here but you won’t look like a complete fkn retard for once.
Seriously, take a look at what you’ve written. What age of child do you think that would be appropriate for ? Thinking that this was actually a witty remark or in any way not embarassing for you to post on purpose.
June 11th, 2007 at 7:42 pmWhat are you, 12 ?
I don’t know why the broadcasters do not cover the torture – it seems inflamatory enough, and should sell seats, so why not cover it?
O/T Do many people think they actually closed the prisons, or even stopped torturing folk?
Google: map prisons cia black site or look at this url for a map of the known torture sites. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5056614.stm
June 11th, 2007 at 7:51 pmKilo is obviously lost. The leg humper site must be jammed with those 22 per centers. Yes Kilo I’m 12 and you’re a f-cking idiot
June 11th, 2007 at 9:13 pmre#18 Kilo and 9-11
Debunk this and tell us how you have discovered and patented a process to create appreciable amounts of 50 micron 45% silicon fine powder from INTACT concrete and glass in less than 15 seconds!
Or do you believe that the laws of material science “magcally” did not apply in the environment of a collapsing WTC tower on 9-11?
1. Did or Didn’t the concrete and glass go from fully INTACT to raining down 50 micron sized dust clouds of 45% silicon composition in less than 15 seconds?
2. Are or Aren’t WTC first responders and residents dying of silicosis from having breathed in 50 micron sized silicon dust created from the formerly INTACT concrete and glass?
3. Can or Can’t you make 50 micron particles by COMPRESSING material between two surfaces more than 50 microns apart from each other?
4. Is or Isn’t using COMPRESSING to make fine powders REQUIRE that the material be TRAPPED between surfaces in order to be created, and therefore the material is unavailable to be thrown up in the air to rain down as a dust cloud?
5. Are or Aren’t EXPLODING, MILLING, and ABRADING the only mechanical processes that can make any appreciable quantity of fine powders?
6. Does or Doesn’t MILLING and ABRADING require MORE than 15 seconds of time to make any appreciable quantity of fine powder?
7. Were or Weren’t MILLING and ABRADING mechanical processes available to act on the concrete and glass in an environment of a collapsing WTC tower, that can generate the evidence in the picture in less than 15 seconds?
8. Does or Doesn’t EXPLODING require LESS than 15 seconds of time to make any appreciable quantity of fine powder?
9. Is or Isn’t using EXPLODING to make fine powders, the only mechanical process available in the environment of a collapsing WTC tower, that can generate the evidence in the picture in less than 15 seconds?
Answers:
1=Did 2=Are 3=Can’t 4=Is 5=Are 6=Does 7=Weren’t 8=Does 9=Is
If you REALIZE that those answers are correct and why it would be STUPID to try to argue otherwise, congratulations on proving the official story is IMPOSSIBLE by process of elimination using well known mechanical engineering and material science principles!
Bonus Question:
Imagine you are a mechanical engineer and one of your wheat flour manufacturer clients want to replace his current mills with presses.
Your client says: “I figure if falling weight and crushing could create huge dust clouds out of something as strong as concrete in the WTC collapses, I ought to easily be able to do the same thing with much weaker wheat kernels in my factory with hydraulic presses.”
Your client says: “I could just arrange bins around groups of 1000 pound presses and collect the wheat flour that is gonna rain down, when we drop the weigh of the presses down on stacks of wheat kernels!”;
Do or Don’t you talk the client out of replacing his mills with presses, and what would you say?
June 11th, 2007 at 9:22 pmkilo, people here generally recognize that you are a Bush cultist and authoritarian lickspittle.
June 11th, 2007 at 9:35 pmSecret Prisons, Shmecret Schmisons. The only secret prison I care about is the one PARIS HILTON is in!!!
June 11th, 2007 at 9:43 pmLet’s not forget that the CIA is STILL running secret prisons and STILL operating rendition flights. Let’s see, ABC News identified a North African CIA prison operation in Dec 2005. John Rockefeller inadvertantly revealed that secret CIA prisons are still operative in March 2007. Human rights Watch identified 37 people including young children that have disappeared into the CIA’s secret prison system. Abdul Malik suddenly shows up at Guantanamo in March 2007. A Blackwater operated rendition plane shows up in the UK in June 2007. What more evidence do you need.
June 11th, 2007 at 10:57 pmThese prisons aren’t so ’secret’ anymore. If this administration weren’t so shameless they would at least talk to the American people about it.
June 12th, 2007 at 12:52 amAs Americans see no problem with the US illegal secret prisons. Let’s see how they feel when other countries pick up the US policy and start having our soldiers and innocent Americans in secret prisons. As Cheney says water boarding is ok I wonder what Americans will think when it’s done to Americans and soldiers. It’s easy to to torture and illigal acts to other countries but it will be done to the US. As Bush said the US sets the policies for the world to follow and this is one of those policies which others will be glad to follow. We thought Saddam was bad Bush is worse. We have lost 3500 young soldiers and at the rate of over 100 more deaths a month it will soon be 5000. As Bush said the dead soldiers are just numbers he doesn’t think of them as human.
June 12th, 2007 at 1:56 amWho’s talking to you idiot ?
June 12th, 2007 at 4:22 amYou might be 12 or not, but your name doesn’t match the one I quoted in my reply now does it. Kind of a strong indication of who’s talkign to who dimwit.
Of course they do.
What with my never having expressed support for any policy or doctrine of the Bush administration in several years posting here what other conclusion could a bunch of retards come to ?
On the other hand this is twice in a row you’ve fled from a discussion rather than actually replying to what’s written, so you can assume most people here recognise you as a pussy.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:27 amSame time tomorrow ?
The posts here are amazing, truly. “Team Bush involved in 911″? Of course, I’m sure he personally planned it out AND trained the the terr’s how to fly the planes too. no, wait….Bush flew the planes into the buildings HIMSELF….yea, that’s it! Eureka, you’re geniuses! I guess it’s slipped past your bong-packed tiny brain cells that this attack took years to plan and carry out but Bush had been in the White House only a couple months. Um, and who was that in the house when the planning was going on? Same one that was there when the USS Cole was bombed, the World Trade centers were hit the first time, the US Embassies where bombed in Africa…..ETC….ETC….ETC…..and what did your hero do? Rolled another fattie, snorted a line and called Monica. Too bad he wasn’t too busy with her to NOT trade ballistic missile software to China for cash huh? Um…that would have been Treason had the “Bushite-controled media” noticed it, of course they didn’t.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:33 amSuch a shame you communists can’t stop whining about conservatives long enough to realize that if FDR (a Dem, but who’s watching) could allow Pearl Harbor to happen, ANY current Occupant could and would allow another P.H. (AKA World Trade Center) to happen. “Divide and conquer” It’s working well for those who would destroy this country and turn it into a Socialist slave state….hey, wait, we’re all ready there.
If you haven’t guessed, I don’t give a rip about the torture of ANYONE that helps, finances, aids, trains, helps etc any of the head sawing, vest bomb-murdering, hide-behind-women and wear civilian clothes and call yourself “soldiers” we have locked up anywhere. Exactly why do you cry-babies wring your hands about these head chopping scum while staying mute about what they do? By the way, when they don’t wear uniforms they DON’T get Geneva Convention safety, they AREN’T SOLDIERS. They don’t get American Judicial protections because they AREN’T Americans! I realize as most conservatives do that things like reality or logic has never interfered with a good leftist rant. Oh, BTW #27, where are our soldiers that were captured if not in a secret prison? Why aren’t any of you taking note of that? Where is Human Rights Watch on that one? Exactly why do you all whine about what the US is doing to protect this country while you say NOTHING about what these murderous death-cultists do to the rest of the world, us included?
Why can’t I believe that the laws of science don’t apply to the WTC ?
You appear to be basing everything you’ve written on precisely this premise. One involving magically appearing explosives which leave no residue, create no explosions, create no seismic blast, and are in all imaginable aspects completely undetectable and the mere existance of which is completely unsupported for 6 years and counting. ie They exist nowhere outside of a fictional scenario.
Why can’t I claim dragons were involved if you’re relying on that ?
Well absent any suggestion that it did let’s say no.
Again, absent any peer reviewed medical journal articles citing this as the findings of studies into respiratory problems of WTC responders, the answer is no.
This is nonsense. Who or what established that in the pure chaos of the collapse of the WTCs that anything was a particular number of microns from anything else ? Nobody.
You appear to be asking if two pieces of non-playdoh debris collide is it possible that they don’t stick together and therefore allow crushed debris and dust to escape.
Well yeah kid. The situation in which this doesn’t occur, like the one you are basing your “critical thinking” on doesn’t exist outside of cartoons.
Or course not. Take a look at any and every controlled demolition available on the web. All of them result in massive dust clouds which are the commesurate with the amount of material destroyed by the explosives.
Then take a look at yourself in the mirror. Realise what kind of ridiculous nonsense you are repeating just so you can believe what you want to believe. Then never make fun of another scientologist again.
Your premise for this line of reasoning fell over.
I might add though I’m pretty happy with my iPod considering we apparently haven’t yet reached the steam age in your mind.
Any coins in your pocket ? Amazing how they can abrade and mill those down so quickly isn’t it ?
What are you even asking ?
You’ve indicated that you know the WTCs collapsed into a pile of rubble but seem to be asking whether all this was the result of abrasion on the way down. No dimwit, the phenominal crushing force of a skyscraper pulverising each and every part of itself below the falling mass was the most obvious cause.
We can’t rule out some dude working really fast with a pestle and mortar at ground zero to cause that type of destruction, but odds are against it.
Yeah, just like a building dropping from 100 stories and being pulverised on the ground.
LMAO… this is actually your attempt at ruling out possibilites isn’t it. HAHAHAHA. Oh it hurts.
No, the other mechanical process in the environment of a collapsing skyscraper able to make fine powders is…… a collapsing sky scraper.
Did you forget that these were called the World Trade Centres and not “The Glass Houses” ? Was every single item and material on every floor not consisting of glass immune to the same effects of a collapsing building and individually wired for detonation ?
Or just all the windows ? The ones which you didn’t see being blown up, but collapsed like everything else ?
Seriously, how much thought did you put into this ?
Er… you realise that demolition experts with access to all the materials at ground zero, all the companies involved in the cleanup and more experience in what happens when a building collapses than anyone else in the history of mankind have actually published whitepapers on the subject right ?
Those well known mechanical engineering and scientific principles, as explained by those who’s job it is to know this stuff so that explosions and falling buildings don’t injure people or property. Who see this every day of the week.
Those people, who know this stuff that well, and with that level of importance say something different.
Which you would have discovered by now if you actually cared what they did show, rather than just wanting to further a fantasy.
Yeah…. Not sure you’ve quite grasped the whole “process of elimination” concept. Actually requires testing, which when your theory rests on dust not being a possible symptom of a building collapsing, isn’t surving any of that testing.
Ooooh don’t tell me….
June 12th, 2007 at 5:29 amInstead of consulting any expert in the relevant field and their conclusions based on a review of physical evidence. I would take the word of someone with no experience in the field, never tested any of the evidence, and never referenced any of those who have, and then copy/paste whatever they write as though it is relevant.
What do I win ?