WE THE PEOPLE, damn it.

We’re all fucked, unless we elect Kucinich Prez, and what are the odds of that? The Dems are as worthless as the Replicans are corrupt and greedy. I can’t hardly take it anymore. I’m moving back to Kauai already, where you don’t really here about all the crazy shit going on unless you’re looking for it. Good luck.

Due to the lies of President Bush about Iraq, our country may be attacked while we do not believe the threat exists.
President Bush and VP Cheney (and their entire gang) should step down to preserve our freedom and security in the face of this “grave threat” from Iran, due to their past lies.

We need a President that does not lie to the American people to be in charge during this crisis.

Comment by Merlin #126

…in order to get anywhere NEAR the WH in ‘08…

…the candidates for president are going to have to appeal to…

…so-called “centrists Independents”…

…who in my book are just fence straddling Repulsivescum “semi-concious conservatives”…

…Obama realizes that already having a major strike against him…

…I’ll leave THAT one for your own analytical abilities to decipher…

…he MUST NOT appear “reactionary” and “emotional”…

…a’ la Howard Dean…

…but “thoughtful” and “rational”…

…ONLY rabid right wing White men (Guiliani) can get away with that sort of “emotionalism”…

…Obama also realizes that Iraq ISN’T a quick fix…

…like Powell said…

…”We (broke) it, we own it”…

…for better or worse…

Comment by Patrick1

clinton had weekly meetings on terrorist threats. by september 2001 bush had had one meeting.

case closed.

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As an outsider looking in. its great to see such strong sentiment against the war. everyone now knows, but most refuse to truely acknowledge, that the war was based on lies. and plenty of people now recognise that the war was most likely based on energy/economic requirements.

the bottom line is, that america needs oil, badly. as the single highest consumer nation you do everything bar pour it on your cereal. thus the problem is not only the “military industrial complex” but what would be commonly considered as the american way of life or the “american dream”.

america does not need to become a revolutionary agrarian society, to end this fundemental problem, but it does need to change. otherwise your way of life will determine if you need to go to war again and again just to maintain that way of life.

its not an easy thing to say, but your level of comfort and day to day existence is part of the problem and effectively the root cause.

As cheney said. “the american way of life is not negotiable”. what he means is, everyone else in the world will die before he sees a need for change in how the average american joe lives.

What the hell am I on about?

well, here in ireland, if i need milk or a few items from the shop, we normally have a shop very close by, and i walk. i know this doesnt suit everybody but still in my experience of the US few people even consider the thought of walking to the store. 15 minute walk or 2 minute drive, no brainer really. but its the little things that have to change. there really is no need for revolutionary change.

you want to stop resource wars! start thinking about how you use the resources that the radicals are so keen to kill for.

the key is localisation. google it. there is probably a project in your area. americans are engaging this process themselves at grassroots level. if there isnt one. start one.

I am a bit unsure of Obama’s ideology. Is he a DLC believer? I can’t read him past all the wonderful words. For instance, He was against the invasion yet now he appears to want to keep our troops there. This is confusing.

Can you explain his position in regard to the DLC ideology?

I have to admit, at least in the case of the Gonzales confidence vote, that the White House and friends were actually right, for once. It’s toothless, even if it were passed.

But there is a significantly more-effective course of action: impeachment.

OK, I think I’m back on-theme now. :)

Something that jumped out to me:

From CompTROLLER V-1: Advisory to Democratic voters: Get yourself some Roosevelt/Truman-quality politicians and take this age-old advice: grow a FREAKIN’ spine.

Hear, hear! The Dems have played the Centrist game for so long, about 40 years now, the political center itself has shifted so far right, that mainstream concepts like civil rights and liberties, quality public education, health and infrastructure, and keeping corporation fraud in check are now the responsibility of villanized liberals.

There’s no such thing as a moderate nowadays, or conservatives either it seems. What exactly are they conserving, their own private bank accounts?

What’s left now seems to be mostly rational-thinking people [those with a spine and those who wither at the prospect of being demonized on tv/radio/the local watercooler] and the autocrats… er, wingnuts.

The tricky thing about overcoming the L-word in our current culture is mass media –you know, the so-called liberal one, which frankly has seen its ownership reduced about ten-fold since deregulation. That’s one of the reasons why Dems were hollering at Clinton in 1996. Clinton was a Centrist folks, not a liberal. That’s just what Gingrich, Limbaugh, etc, said… and unfortunately the lion share of media owners who directly benefited from dereg and now have a stranglehold on the outlets so many of our wingnut friends blindly subscribe to for their opinions.

My hope is, that sites and blogs such as this one gain the notoriety they deserve [in some ways reminds me of the early days of the newspaper wars... in some ways], gain readership and respect for reporting the unvarnished truth. From there, actually motivate people to act, do the right thing, to counter the effectiveness of our corporate media owners and religious zealots and their watercarriers. I just hope this can be successful before martial law is declared.

I used to think I was a moderate, but now I assume my role as a so-called evil dirty hippy liberal [like Jesus!], especially if it means a strong economy for all, access to quality education and health care, respect for the military, our allies and our enemies [although personally, it'll take me some time to forgive Rove, Cheney for their ruthlessly unAmerican ideals].

There’s one thing I’m unabashedly ultra-conservative about: The Constitution and The Bill of Rights. Don’t f*ck with it. I never imagined striking down Habeas Corpus would anything but a poly-sci experiment, never to see the light of day. Now it’s f*cking national policy?!

Aside from the relentless stream of political insults from this administration, this is perhaps the most unAmerican act I can think of.

And even though they didn’t have the votes to counter it, the Dems for the most part, just let it go in October, just before the elections. Nice.

It wasn’t even a GOP-Dem or Lib-Con issue to me. Habeas Corpus is the keystone to our Bill of Rights as a people. It set the tone, literally defining what we are legally as a nation.

My vote is for The Spines in ‘08.

I don’t get what the love affair with Obama is about.

Comment by Jess #106

…for starters…

…he graduated from Harvard Law and was the first Black man to lead the Harvard Law Review…

…and after he graduated…

…instead of joining a big bucks law firm for big bucks…

…he moved to inner city Chicago…

…to give back to the least of these…

…YES, he’sinto politics…

…and when you grow up…

…you’ll understand that one has to play the (Ceeracka) game…

…to get things done…

…maybe if you tried to read his book…

…The Audacity of Hope…

…you might gain some insight…

Thanks, Kay, for the link!

#68 Comment by Namtillaku — June 12, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
You stated:
An interesting article, but I disagree with it. Repudiation is a weak word, and it’s much like yesterdays’ ‘vote of no confidence’.

With respect to your disagreement, I believe you missed the relavence of Ritter’s thrust. He is not against impeachment. He recognizes that unless the basic problem of malaise in the country including the Congress is addressed the same problem we now have will continue at a lower level. It will slip off the radar screen and be forgotten like a pain that is dulled by medication.
Ritter uses the word “repudiate” to represent a total and complete rejection of the things that got us into the mess we find ourselves today.

You state:
This smacks of shunning, or putting one’s head in the sand.

Absolutely not! His repudiation goes far deeper than just impeachment, which he includes in his proposal. He recognizes the rot that got us here and is addressing that. Reread his article all the way through and see that there is real depth here.

Creating the right frame for the ideas he mentions is not easy. He has chosen to use “Repudiation”. What word or phrase do you think would better represent his overall view, that would work to galvanize the people and the Congress that represents them?

If he knew that it was all a lie, and told it everywhere he could so people would not be stampeded into a senseless war!

Result, he was ignored, as all peace loving people were, and he was not even chosen for VP! He still has his conscience clean, and he is an admirable statesman. I wish someone in the party would listen to him.

Folks, here are all the posts by Pee1 on this thread. They contain absolutely no content. Yet look at all the responses he got from you all! And he does this every day. He is doing a very successful job as a troll by taking over the thread with absolutely no thought or time expended.

Why do you all respond to him? To everyone who has responded to him, I would like to hear your justification for doing it! That is a challenge! Any takers?

(With apologies to you all for repeating all this useless garbage)

Looks like this fool has moved from whiskey to cocaine.
Comment by Patrick1 — June 12, 2007 @ 2:35 pm

On what grounds ole moonbat fools?
Comment by Patrick1 — June 12, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
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Comment by Patrick1 — June 12, 2007 @ 2:47 pm

I repeat. On what grounds should President Bush be impeached?
Comment by Patrick1 — June 12, 2007 @ 2:50 pm

3,000 Americans died on September 11 because Clinton was more interested in BJs than protecting the United States.
Comment by Patrick1 — June 12, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
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Comment by Patrick1 — June 12, 2007 @ 2:54 pm

3,000 Americans died on September 11 because Clinton was more interested in BJs than protecting the United States.
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Comment by Patrick1 — June 12, 2007 @ 2:59 pm

For the gazillionth time.

The House has the power of impeachment. An impeachmemnt is an indictment.

The Senate then has a trial, the Constitution requires a two thirds vote to remove the offender from office.