New Justice Dept. Emails Reveal Top Rove Aides’ Involvement In Attorney Scandal
New Justice Dept. Emails Reveal Top Rove Aides’ Involvement In Attorney Scandal
Justice Department documents released tonight include new emails linking Karl Rove’s top aides — former White House political director Sara Taylor, who resigned last month, and her deputy Scott Jennings — to the U.S. attorney scandal. Congressional subpoenas have been authorized, but not approved, for both Taylor and Jennings.
The emails, from February 2007, all relate to the case of Rove-protege Tim Griffin, who was installed as U.S. attorney in Arkansas without Senate confirmation. Griffin’s predecessor, Bud Cummins, was fired to make way for Griffin.
In the first exchange, Taylor writes to Kyle Sampson, Alberto Gonzales’ former chief of staff, and suggests retribution against Cummins for speaking out about the reason for his firing:
I normally don’t like attacking our friends, but since Bud Cummins is talking to everyone – why don’t we tell the deal on him?
In another set of emails from Feb. 16, Taylor again writes Sampson, complaining about how Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty and the Justice Department put Griffin in a “horrible position…hung to dry” by admitting that Cummins was pushed out specifically to make room for an ally of Rove. “[T]his is not good for [Griffin's] long-term career,” Taylor writes.
In a third set of emails, Scott Jennings writes to Taylor and former Gonzales counsel Monica Goodling, suggesting the Justice Department remove a line from a press release implying that the administration would work to find another U.S. Attorney if Arkansas’ senators did not approve of Griffin.
The messages from Taylor and Jennings to the Justice officials are sent from their Republican National Committee email accounts. They provide new evidence that senior White House officials were intimately involved in the attorney scandal, and that the White House was still interested in installing Griffin as U.S. Attorney even after the controversy over the firings had become public.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) said in a statement tonight:
These documents, which should have been released by the Department long ago, provide further evidence that White House officials like former Political Director Sara Taylor were deeply involved in the mass firings of well-performing prosecutors. The Department of Justice should not be reduced to a political arm of the White House. We need an end to the White House’s stonewalling of our investigations so we can learn the truth.
Read the full set of emails HERE.
UPDATE: McClatchy now has a story out. It includes this tidbit from another email in the document dump: “The White House counsel’s office thought in January that the ousted prosecutors had ‘disloyally stirred up the senators‘ but argued against criticizing them publicly because they hadn’t ‘fired any shots’ at the administration.”
UPDATE II: Jeremybloom, Pachacutec, CorrenteWire, and emptywheel have additional analysis.
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they HAVE to get these people in front of the committee, especially his satanic majesty, ROVE…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/
June 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pm“We need an end to the White House’s stonewalling of our investigations so we can learn the truth.”
YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
I’m gonna rip your eyes out and puke into your dead skull!
June 12th, 2007 at 9:22 pm“New Justice Dept. Emails Reveal Top Rove Aides’ Involvement In Attorney Scandal”
Why does the Internet hate America?
Why does the Internet want the terrorists to win?
Clinton did it too.
That is all.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pmThese people are disgusting. They have ruined us. I want to see all of them in prison.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:25 pmGive it up Nico. Al is here to say.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmStonewalling is illegal and should add to the impeachable offenses against this president.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:34 pmGive it up Nico. Al is here to say.
Comment by mandolin
Count on this mandolin — we will never give up. Never.
We’re not like you. We don’t cave into corruption and injustice, simply because it’s easy.
Al can stay as long as he likes, he’ll take the King down with him.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmThis is going to be a big waste of time. It is small potatoes compared to the innumerable crimes committed by the Bush Administration and it will never catch fire in the media. In my opinion, this whole investigation is just a way for the Democrats to pretend they are doing something about Bush, while ignoring and enabling his war, torture, spying and inevitable future bombing of Iran. They need to impeach Bush and Cheney. The sooner the better. I’m not holding my breath, though.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmHoly Smoke!
June 12th, 2007 at 9:43 pm“This is going to be a big waste of time.etc.”
All roads lead to Rome………….
June 12th, 2007 at 9:43 pmIssue the subpoenas!
June 12th, 2007 at 9:44 pmHow nice, a three scandal day. I wonder how Friday will be. That day held the previous record at two only two weeks ago.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:49 pmLooks like Congress is going to make her “tell the deal” on Rove. Can’t wait.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:53 pmMaybe the Democrats can write a letter or get a non-binding resolution going.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:53 pmAs a webmaster, I can’t help but wonder when TP is gonna summon up the bottle to start banning these trolls.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:01 pmI guess I should say some of us don’t give up.
C’mon! We can’t give up now. We’ve been disappointed, but basically this is what we’ve got to work with — so how are we going to make it work?
Don’t give up — brainstorm!
June 12th, 2007 at 10:01 pmOne can only hope that if anything pisses the public off more it is that there have been a segment of the Republican Party that has been committing on-going, massive election fraud for some time. And that it involves hundreds of people and millions of dollars.
This is really just the tip of the old iceberg. It’s extremely important that subpoenas be issued immediately and this followed to its conclusion. This one case could give us a chance to reform and refine or system of government to be the best once again.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:02 pmIt doesn’t matter…the Dems will make a lot of noise and fuss, and at the end of the day, there will be absolutely no consequences.
The Dems and the Repubs are opposite sides of the same corrupt coin. Our political system is beyond hope of salvage.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:03 pmParaphrase:
The mills of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly small.
When you get to be old, (as I am,) you realize that steady pushing, even in the face of a terrible time, is best. When things seem darkest keep pushing. When there is no light at the end of the tunnel, be thankful that there is none, and push harder. (If there was a light you might relax and get hit by the train it is attached to.)
Sadly, we the people (sheeple) got ourselves into this BushCo (actually: Reagan,Bush, Clinton, BushCo) mess. The hole is very deep, as Scott Ritter points out over at TruthDig. (Thanks to Kay for the link.)
Don’t despair, people of good intent. Keep investigating, shining light in dark ugly corners, and countering BushCo and its huge and powerful enablers. Our voices need to be loud, strong and persistent. We have a huge section of the American public to inform and educate.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:05 pm“[T]his is not good for [Griffin’s] long-term career,†Taylor writes.
Not to mention yours, Taylor!
June 12th, 2007 at 10:07 pmLOL
Geeze, why wasn’t the VP supervising these renegade staffers?
June 12th, 2007 at 10:09 pmThe TREASONOUS REPULSIVESCUM/Independent and Democrat conned’selfservative al Crackers/wannabes…
…are the enemy…
…if you want America to PROGRESS…
…they must be chastened…
…THEY are anathema to American Core Democratic Values…
June 12th, 2007 at 10:09 pm…these are YOUR:
Family
June 12th, 2007 at 10:10 pmFriends
Neighbors
Co-workers
Acquaintences…
Comment by Merlin — June 12, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
Now that’s what I’m talking about!!
NEVER give up!
June 12th, 2007 at 10:11 pmWhy can’t they all be put under oath and questioned all at the same time? Then, we will see who is playing games!
June 12th, 2007 at 10:18 pmTO: Merlin,
Yes you are correct about being patient with congress! The part that makes ME crazy is I see the crap that this administration has done, yet knowing and understanding the method that congress and the committees are doing is slow!
We live in a now world! that is hard to overcome!
Thank you for your wisdom and philosophical and metaphorical terms! :-)
June 12th, 2007 at 10:19 pmThanks for the advice Merlin.. I’m talking loud, long, strong and persistent but I am old too and I am getting a little worried that I won’t get to see at least one of these skunks get hung from the nearest tree. I’ll keep on talking till I no longer can….
June 12th, 2007 at 10:21 pmParis is wasting away in prison and all you Moonbats can worry about is some going no where attorney story?
FREE PARIS!!
June 12th, 2007 at 10:22 pmZooey,
We can brainstorm all day and come up with great ideas, but the Democratic party doesn’t listen. So, rather than more wasted good ideas, I think we need to figure out a way to get the Democrats to listen to us. They don’t think we are their base. They think that the Republicans are their base. Then are always trying to please the people who will vote Republican anyway, so tell me, whats’ the point?
I mean, I can vote all day everyday and CA will go Democratic. Even if I don’t vote it will go Democratic. So, how do I get the fu*king retarded a$$wipes in Kansas to not vote against their best interest?
I live in CA, but I have lived in other states as well, like Kansas when I was in the military and Montana for a short while and I can tell you; When you get outside of a coastal states, the red neckedy republicans everywhere.
Hell, I remember back in ‘89 a guy named Boone that everybody thought was crazy, used to talk about the Shiite Muslims all the time. When I went back there last year for my grandma’s passing, people were saying things like “That Boone turned out to be right.”
These people base everything on what Sally May heard from Virginia down at the grocery store that Bill told her after Jim heard it from Steve Bob. They don’t even watch friggin’ Fox “News.”
So, before we fix the Democratic problem, I think the information problem is where attention needs to be focused.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:23 pmSara Taylor is the key to this: she has all the answers.
She’ll never end up indicted or under oath.
Ever.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:25 pm#18 Comment by TripMaster Monkey — June 12, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
You despaired:
The Dems and the Repubs are opposite sides of the same corrupt coin. Our political system is beyond hope of salvage.
Trip, not all Dems are the same. That applies only to the Repub…er, neocons who currently occupy Congress. Spend some time over at DailyKos.com. There you will find reality and a refreshing (if sometimes depressed) look at the world of politics.
Here is an excerpt from there:
Talking about replacing a Democrat
“With Donna Edwards we’re playing in a primary, working to get rid of a terrible Democratic incumbent, Al Wynn, the kind of Democrat that a party running and winning on a message of “culture of corruption” must eject. So it’s up to the voters of MD-04 to decide whether they want to clean house, and we can help his challenger have the resources to make it happen.
We’ve seen this again and again; it’s why many of us are in politics, on the blogs. We ask ourselves the question, ‘Ack, why did the Democrats vote for XYZ?!?!’ Well, one reason is because of people like Al Wynn.
In the fight over the estate tax, Wynn was cited as a key figure in this strategy. The estate tax was the single most progressive tax there is, so normal criticisms from rich corporations won’t work to broaden the coalition. But having a CBC member like Wynn, along with a variety of other members, helped to mask the right-wing essence of the idea.
Dig deeper, Trip, you might just find renewed spirit! Fight that feeling of despair and the need for immediate result. As Big Papa said: “Give Reid 67 votes…”
June 12th, 2007 at 10:30 pmIf you KNOW someone who…
…voted for Bushiva and L’il Dick twice…
…and you haven’t at LEAST…
…told them what a pile of dogshit they are…
…then YOU’RE part of the problem…
June 12th, 2007 at 10:32 pmNo shit Sherlock.The thing to watch is what is Harry Reid going to do about it.Maybe he will bring immigration bill up again before taken action on this wrecking of our constitution.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:34 pmPSSST! Did you say poor leadership ?I agree.
I have a great idea. Instead of a march with banners, we could get every American (who is willing) in every city in American to – on a certain day and time – buy hundreds of millions of colorful balloons that say “Impeach Bush”, “Impeach Cheney”, “Impeach Gonzales”, “End the War”, “Investigate”, you name it.. All the balloons could be let off into the sky at the same time. We could fill the skies of America with the same message. People in Congress aren’t listening, the President isn’t listening, maybe they need something more visual.. Or better yet, groups of people could get together and buy those VERY big banner balloons that advertise over businesses saying the same messages that are somehow anchored – all the same color with the same message – hanging in the sky everywhere in America where when anyone is driving anywhere, they can look up and see the same loud and clearly visual message. Free speech! Just phoning and writing emails isn’t cutting it. It is time for more drastic action. I would hang one of those giant balloons right over my house where everyone in our entire town could see it!
June 12th, 2007 at 10:38 pmTMM, c’mon, if my conservative Republican district can oust a 12-year incumbent and replace her with a progressive like John Hall, I have to have hope. We can’t give up, we’re just getting started!
June 12th, 2007 at 10:43 pmRICO, Special Prosecutor. NOW
June 12th, 2007 at 10:43 pmSo, before we fix the Democratic problem, I think the information problem is where attention needs to be focused.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
We’re saying the same thing Spudge, just coming at it from different angles. That’s ok.
You forget, I’m in Idaho — I have very little hope that we will EVER get through to our Senators and Rep.
But we’re still meeting, and we’re making some noise.
Wherever there are Dem Senators and Reps, and even reasonable Rep Senators and Reps, we need to be meeting with them every week. Wherever Nancy Pelosi is, we need to have a group of us nearby scheduling meetings with her — Reid too.
Not lobbyists or insiders, but US! Average people like us who are sick unto death of the hijacking of this country.
You’re a PR guy. How do we do that?
June 12th, 2007 at 10:44 pmwe could get every American (who is willing) in every city in American to – on a certain day and time – buy hundreds of millions of colorful balloons that say “Impeach Bushâ€, “Impeach Cheneyâ€, “Impeach Gonzalesâ€, “End the Warâ€, “Investigateâ€, you name it.. All the balloons could be let off into the sky at the same time.
Comment by JG #34
…”what goes up”…
…who’s gonna clean up the mess?
June 12th, 2007 at 10:45 pm#29 Comment by Spudge_Boy — June 12, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
You stated:
They don’t think we are their base. They think that the Republicans are their base. …so tell me, whats’ the point?
Please don’t lump all Dems together!!! Go visit DailyKos, TPM, The Next Hurrah, Juan Cole, Truthdig, FireDogLake and many others. Here you will find the real voice of the real Democratic Party! Stop confusing this voice with that of the DLC that has been the voice of the Dems since 1985. Our Dem Congress still has that voice, and now it wants to persist past its death throes with Hillary. (Google the DLC and be shocked!) The Progressives are on the move and the thugs know it and are scared of the light.
So, how do I get the fu*king retarded a$$wipes in Kansas to not vote against their best interest?
They always follow the wind. If we get enough wind blowing they will be on board. (All except the evangelical wingnuts.)
So, before we fix the Democratic problem, I think the information problem is where attention needs to be focused.
I think we do both at the same time. Go read the Scott Ritter article that Kay linked to on the other thread. He addresses the basic problem very eloquently.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:49 pmI would hang one of those giant balloons right over my house where everyone in our entire town could see it!
Comment by JG
Interesting idea, JG, but take it a step further — if we could get Americans to cooperate enough to let off balloons at a certain time, we could get their asses out on the streets with signs.
WAY more impact….and it won’t get we environmentalists whining. :)
June 12th, 2007 at 10:50 pmComment by JG — June 12, 2007 @ 10:38 pm
That is a joke, right????????
haha…
Anyway, “the voice of the people” only means so much. If you feel that some area of the government can be improved you have to have a good argument.
And by the way, listing all Bush and Gangs supposed “evils” is just noise. If you write to your congressperson ranting about crimes against humanity/rights violations/global warming/et cetera, you are probably just going to annoy him or her.
If you feel that the govt needs to change, first, isolate one specific issue, do a bunch of research (with an open mind, if all of your supposed facts come from a biased source your argument loses credibility) and make sure that what you have to say is relevant and presented in a logical argument.
Balloons… I don’t think so.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:51 pmI know.. I am just furious and sick and tired of all this.
I still like the idea of the giant ones that float in the sky anchored somewhere. I saw a picture of a big read on the read IMPEACH BUSH over a big business building in Portland OR last week. If there were LOTS of those it might send a loud message. I know there is expense involved, but if people got together.
It is not so easy to meet with your Congressional people A couple of months ago my husband flew to DC and tried meeting with all our Congress people, and he isn’t exactly nobody in our state, and he mostly got stuck with assistants who would only give a short interview. I agress it is going to have to come from US! (As in you and me, not the USA).
June 12th, 2007 at 10:52 pmAnd yes, I wasn’t really serious about the little balloons. If they all popped at once we would probably blow out the ozone in one fail swoop.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:54 pmC’mon! We can’t give up now. We’ve been disappointed, but basically this is what we’ve got to work with — so how are we going to make it work?
Don’t give up — brainstorm!
Comment by Zooey
I haven’t given up.
My solution is selling my Condo and then I’m moving to Europe later this summer, and converting all my cash to Euros.
This country is DONE FOR, both economically and politically.
THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT!
IT IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER… not for a very long time, at least.
IT’S ALREADY TOO LATE TO FIX!
June 12th, 2007 at 11:04 pmJG, check out this site:
http://www.freewayblogger.com/
June 12th, 2007 at 11:07 pm#41 Comment by Mr. President — June 12, 2007 @ 10:51 pm
You philosophised:
Anyway, “the voice of the people†only means so much.
And by the way, listing all Bush and Gangs supposed “evils†is just noise.
The rest of your post has valid thoughts and suggestions. If you would care to expand on these two statements, I will respond to them in a more realistic fashion. As they are written, they appear to be either dismissive, bitter, or subtly anti American. At best they are provocative opinion.
It interesting that your posts are often mixed up like this. The good thoughts with other things that are, on their face, suspect. Why is that, do you think?
June 12th, 2007 at 11:07 pmComment by JPV — June 12, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Dosvidanija, mothafukca!!!!
June 12th, 2007 at 11:09 pmWhy is that, do you think?
Comment by Merlin — June 12, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
I think it is because I am unbiased and you are judging my posts with the assumtion that I am Republican.
I really couldn’t give less of a shit which party wins what election.
(By the way, I say that I am “unbiased,” in that, I do not have a dog in any of these fights. However, I have my own opinions and, as you might have noticed, I feel free to voice said opinions whenever I choose.)
June 12th, 2007 at 11:13 pmComment by JPV — June 12, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Sounds like giving up to me, JPV.
I wish you well.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:13 pm#47 Comment by Mr. President — June 12, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
Dosvidanija
What does the “dos” part mean?
June 12th, 2007 at 11:15 pm“Please don’t lump all Dems together!!! Go visit DailyKos, TPM, The Next Hurrah, Juan Cole, Truthdig, FireDogLake and many others. Here you will find the real voice of the real Democratic Party! Stop confusing this voice with that of the DLC that has been the voice of the Dems since 1985. Our Dem Congress still has that voice, and now it wants to persist past its death throes with Hillary. (Google the DLC and be shocked!) The Progressives are on the move and the thugs know it and are scared of the light.”
Oh I go to other sites alright. In fact if you were to ask some of the regulars here, you will find out that I don’t come to Think Progress anywhere near as much as I used to. I am sick of the same tired old troll excuses for their Republican leaders. I am sick of the Hillary lean that everything has now. I know TP says they don’t have a Hillary bias, but you could have fooled me.
And as far as the DLC is concerned, ask those same regulars what I think about people like Hillary.
There are some great Democrats. There are even Republicans I can agree with, but the problem is…….wait for it……
None of them are running and if they are, they don’t have a chance of winning against the Washington DC money machine.
Our democracy has been sold to the highest bidder and none of us got our split of the profits.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:17 pm“Anyway, “the voice of the people†only means so much.”
This comment is ol’ “if everyone was jumping of a cliff…” argument.
Politicians (I assume) have had to read all the classics of political theory, starting with the oldest Greek philosophers, you get people like Heraclitus talking shit about the vulgar opinion of the masses. Same with Plato, Aristotle, and so forth, even down to our beloved founding fathers.
After all, the “voice of the people” killed Socrates.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:17 pmI love ya JG, I just love ya… but I think all those ballons could lead to a lot of polution. But anyway, what day would you like to do this, I’m open….
June 12th, 2007 at 11:18 pmDosvidanija
What does the “dos†part mean?
Comment by Merlin — June 12, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
This is a transliteration of “Good-bye” in Russian
June 12th, 2007 at 11:19 pmHere is the photo of that balloon that I mentioned.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:19 pmhttp://www.blogfororegon.com/taxonomy/term/100
RICO, Special Prosecutor. NOW
Comment by 1Watt — June 12, 2007
———-
Worth repeating. We’re not just seeing a stonewall, we’re witnessing a criminal conspiracy to cover up illegal behavior. RICO is right.
Criminal conspiracy. Good grief, just this one revelation is on par with Nixon’s original Watergate crime, and that was enough to push Nixon out.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:23 pm#48 Comment by Mr. President — June 12, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
I think it is because I am unbiased and you are judging my posts with the assumtion that I am Republican.
I personally don’t know what you are. And I am not concerned which you are. I have not assumed anything about you. So you are incorrect in your assumption.
I am concerned with your ideology, however, which you have not answered. I don’t want to read something into your statements that is not there. So, do you want to explain your two statements a bit more in detail.
As my ex-wife used to say “Silence is consent!”
June 12th, 2007 at 11:23 pm“And by the way, listing all Bush and Gangs supposed “evils†is just noise.”
Comment by Merlin — June 12, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
This means that even though you might be pissed off, you can’t confront someone with a bunch of claims such as the following:
Bush is a Nazi-Bootlicker, just like his grand-daddy.
Cheney wants to kill ever honest American so that the Big Corps. can rule the world.
The CIA knew about the terrorist attacks well in advance, but the govt wanted that shit to go down.
We are terrorists, because we have invaded a country solely in the name of Big Oil Biz.
Bush is a liar.
Cheney is a liar.
Karl Rove… you guessed it… is a liar.
etc. etc. etc.
If all of these “facts” are included in one vitrolic letter to a congressperson, well… who knows… but it seems to me that that letter will receive a free trip, straight to waste-paper basket.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:25 pmComment by Merlin — June 12, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
More than #s 52 and 58?
Or had those not appeared?
June 12th, 2007 at 11:27 pmThanks Bob, but my husband just pointed out to me that it would give the NRA new target practice..
June 12th, 2007 at 11:27 pm#54 Comment by Mr. President — June 12, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
This is a transliteration of “Good-bye†in Russian
Interesting
Dosvidanija-after the “dos” part it says “we don’t need you.”
ve don need ja
June 12th, 2007 at 11:30 pmHere is the photo of that balloon that I mentioned.
http://www.blogfororegon.com/taxonomy/term/100
Comment by JG
That’s a big frickin’ balloon, JG. :)
I’m coming to your fair city this weekend to visit my son, can you arrange for fabulous weather?
June 12th, 2007 at 11:33 pmAfter all, the “voice of the people†killed Socrates.
Comment by Mr. President — Actually hemlock killed Sacrates. Sacrates was branded as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ and people could not grasp the concepts when he tried to lead them to question authority. They choose not to believe. It was their silence that killed Sacrates.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:33 pmComment by JTitor — June 12, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Well, in the interest of full disclosure, he was given a chance to propose an alternative sentence (other than the poison), but his suggestion was that the people should pay for his expenses (because he saw what he was doing as a contribution to the city). Needless to say, his suggestion was not well-received.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:37 pm58. Comment by Mr. President — Your showing your neo-progressive side again.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:38 pmve don need ja
Comment by Merlin — June 12, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
Oh yeah… I never thought about that.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:40 pmBut, the word is pronounced differently.
Comment by Mr. President — Look at Sacrates now. If the people only knew?
June 12th, 2007 at 11:41 pm58. Comment by Mr. President — Your showing your neo-progressive side again.
Comment by JTitor — June 12, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
What do mean?
June 12th, 2007 at 11:41 pmZooey, the weather is supposed to be perfect this weekend!
June 12th, 2007 at 11:42 pm#59 Comment by Mr. President — June 12, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
More than #s 52 and 58?
Or had those not appeared?
I saw them just now.
OK I see your points. I accept your opinion as it stands.
I try to be clear when I write ideological statements so that they are easily understood. Thus my posts tend to be long. If I have something to say I want people to be able to understand it, as I mean it, and not as something else.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:45 pmIt’s completely untrue that all the emails relate to Griffin. What about the ones down at the bottom where Sampson is in a panic about finding out about a meeting between Gonzales and Domenici? And there are others that seem to be focused on Iglesias, and yet others focused on California and Lam in particular.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:46 pmComment by JTitor — June 12, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
What do mean?
Comment by Mr. President — June 12, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
Oops.
I meant:
What do you mean?
June 12th, 2007 at 11:46 pmComment by Mr. President — More philosophical less rant. It’s a good thing.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:49 pmI try to be clear when I write ideological statements so that they are easily understood. Thus my posts tend to be long. If I have something to say I want people to be able to understand it, as I mean it, and not as something else.
Comment by Merlin — June 12, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
Not me.
I just spew out whatever shit comes to mind mostly.
But I’m glad that we could communicate.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:49 pmI’m coming to your fair city this weekend to visit my son, can you arrange for fabulous weather?
Comment by Zooey
Sunday looks great and it’s supposed to be about 80F on Monday. Fabulous enough?
June 12th, 2007 at 11:50 pmAnyone with an iota of integrity and respect for the oath that he/she took would have been appalled at the political demands made on them, namely to serve the Bush/Cheney/Rove doctrine without disagreement.
The best and the brightest were turned away to make room for political cronies and religious fanatics brainwashed into undermining the democratic process
June 12th, 2007 at 11:54 pmwho are all of these pretty blonde girls?
June 12th, 2007 at 11:57 pm#74 Comment by Mr. President — June 12, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Not me.
I just spew out whatever shit comes to mind mostly.
But I’m glad that we could communicate.
Good to know that! I will keep that in mind when communicating with you.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:02 amZooey, the weather is supposed to be perfect this weekend!
Comment by JG — June 12, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Sunday looks great and it’s supposed to be about 80F on Monday. Fabulous enough?
Comment by gummitch — June 12, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Y’all are fantastic! Thanks, I’ll be there Friday. :)
June 13th, 2007 at 12:10 amRICO, Special Prosecutor. NOW
Comment by 1Watt — June 12, 2007
———-
Worth repeating. We’re not just seeing a stonewall, we’re witnessing a criminal conspiracy to cover up illegal behavior. RICO is right.
Criminal conspiracy. Good grief, just this one revelation is on par with Nixon’s original Watergate crime, and that was enough to push Nixon out.
Comment by tubino
Hey, I’ve been saying this for a couple of months now. As far as I can tell BrushCoâ„¢ fits all the criteria for a RICO prosecution.
RICO! RIOC! RICO! RICO! RICO!RICO! RIOC! RICO! RICO! RICO!
June 13th, 2007 at 12:26 amRICO! RIOC! RICO! RICO! RICO!RICO! RIOC! RICO! RICO! RICO!
RICO! RIOC! RICO! RICO! RICO!RICO! RIOC! RICO! RICO! RICO!
I love ya JG, I just love ya… but I think all those ballons could lead to a lot of polution. But anyway, what day would you like to do this, I’m open….
Comment by bob, james bob
I like the emotion, but wouldn’t a march on Washington be more effective. As if everybody who posts on TP starts talking it up on the other sites they go to and hope for a groundswell. The press doesn’t cover the marches but none of them have been that big. Marches worked for Viet Nam and civil rights. Small marches in home towns don’t seem to be accomplishing much with the msm in bed with Bushco. It’s time for the people who know how bad things have gotten to get in their cars or on buses, trains and planes and meet in DC. WE have to make too much noise to be ignored, somehow, and soon.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:28 amlet me start by saying that tonight’s
e-mail dump looks to follow the recent
pattern — someone at DoJ is trying to
further erode the credibility of people
scheduled to talk to either of the con-
gressional committees investigating these
matters. [recall how this same slow-dance
was played, just two days prior to monica
goodling's immunized, and subpoenaed,
appearance before john conyers, and the
house judiciary committee. . .]
and, i think the primary target of this
salvo-e-mail-release tonight, is former
deputy attorney general paul mcnulty — as
we learned, earlier today, that he is due to
testify, next week.
but as the above makes plain — sara taylor
comes off looking atrocious. for good reason,
i might add. but i might ALSO add that she
is scheduled to appear in private before
john conyers committee, as well. . . so a smear
seems de riguer, no?
your mileage may vary.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:13 amI agree. But, my husband was at that big march on the Capitol I think it was March. He said it was enormous. It was reported that there were under 100,000 people there and the only pictures run in the press were at ground level and didn’t give the scope. He said that there were people as far as the eye could see, they filled all four sides of the Capitol. Others there that he talked to who had attended other marches in the past said easily there was between 300,000 and 400,000 people. I don’t understand why there were no pictures taken from a helicopter or the tops of buildings to give the scope of just how many people came and participated.
I frankly don’t think this is an accident. If they control this piece of it in the press, then it doesn’t matter HOW many people show up. People who aren’t there won’t have any idea because it will be so downplayed.
Perhaps if a million people show up and just sit on the sidewalks and streets for a couple of days, maybe that might get some attention.. That is the time for YouTube, and run the photos and video across the entire internet.
I agree about the internet starting to compete with the MSM in informing the people regardless of their efforts to control the message.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:23 amI just heard something interesting on Olbermann (who wasn’t there tonight). This immigration legislation is Bush’s last chance for his legacy. He has no political capital left. Someone suggested that in order to geth the GOP behind him on this (which frankly is impossible), he might consider tossing Gonzales and Libby under the bus. Granted, Libby is already laying in the road, but he (Bush) might agree to not pardon him.. (Maybe he could throw in Cheney too!).
June 13th, 2007 at 1:26 amYou mean to tell me they fired these people for no good reason, then had the nerve to say that they “disloyally stirred up the senators”? Wow. I’m sure these flacks are not all from Texas, but the ones who aren’t sure learned Texas ways well.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:32 amRove’s Blackberry leaves a digital trail of evidence. Leahy should just subpoena the digital file of evidence connected to Rove’s Blackberry account. Those on-the-fly correspondence are the most likely to contain evidence of the conspiracy – if not multiple conspiracies.
June 13th, 2007 at 4:19 amI am not sure what it is I am seeing here. Either it is just one big dog-and-pony show brought to us by the entire political populace in D.C., including Leahy and Conyers, or the Bushies just committed a fatal error by releasing these documents thinking they were clear of further action by Congress. What forced the release? Perhaps all those emails Palast harvested and wrote about triggered this release. Certainly there were those in the White House who were concerned about the acquisition of information by that “BBC reporter.” If that were true, then they would need to preempt exposure by sacrificing some of the lower staffers with this release. Remember, these are still selective releases. We are seeing what Karl Rove and dirt balls want us to see — nothing more, nothing less. This is just one big soap opera juxtaposed against the rising death rates in Iraq. Perhaps if there are multiple bad news stories in play — raging fires — the political atmosphere becomes too toxic to work solutions for any of the scandals.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:09 amAnd I’m sure that subpoenas were issued immediately for all the top officials involved.
What? No subpoenas?
Enough already!!! These hearings have been dragging on long enough with enough evidence of illegal activity. STOP DICKING AROUND!!! This is nothing but an ongoing dog & pony show.
Wake me up when they actually start doing something meaningful.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:51 am“[T]his is not good for [Griffin’s] long-term career,†Taylor writes.
In other words, the truth was not good for Griffin’s career. Heh. You could say the same thing about Rove’s entire machine.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:03 amOn page 57 (OAG000001795) at the very bottom there is an email from Harriet Miers to William Kelley that reads:
“I am quite surprised that we would engage on whether a personnel action on a Presidential appointment is justified for the reasons I have stated earlier. We can see what the Chief thinks.”
Who is the Chief?
June 13th, 2007 at 9:21 am“These documents, which should have been released by the Department long ago, provide further evidence that White House officials like former Political Director Sara Taylor were deeply involved in the mass firings of well-performing prosecutors. ”
Come on Leahy, stop beating around the bush and call a spade a spade. What he should have said was:
“evidence that White House officials like Karl Rove was deeply involved in the mass firings of well-performing prosecutors. “
If anyone thinks that Taylor and Jennings were acting on their own, without the approval of Karl Rove, I have a bridge to sell you.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:53 amGo read the Scott Ritter article that Kay linked to on the other thread. He addresses the basic problem very eloquently.
Comment by Merlin #39
…question IS Merlin…
…who’s willing to be the FIRST (man or woman)…
…to water that “tree of liberty”…
…with his/her blood?
June 13th, 2007 at 10:03 amWhat a disgraceful set of sons of bitches. They think that they can get away with this?
June 13th, 2007 at 10:11 amStop asking for shit. Start issuing subpoenas. Gloves off, bare knuckles, let the truth about all this shit come to light.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:15 amNo more asking.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:27 amJust subpoenas.
No more nice guy affable, polite, goody goody shit.
Answers or contempt.
Truth, now.
searched for something clever to say about “breach”-ing the “stonewall.” here is result #8 from dogpile.com:
No physical or magical power is believed able to breach the Stonewall, as it has been imbued with magic.
can we get Leahy a battalion of tanks and send him up Pennsylvania Ave, ala Yeltsin, to “condemn the junta?”
June 13th, 2007 at 10:31 amDo they ever hire dark-haired women in the DOJ? If this one has a baby voice I’m afraid I won’t be able to listen to another hearing.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:48 amCan you imagine if the FBI were investigating computer fraud allowing the suspect to determine how much of a hard drive the FBI could inspect to determine whether any of it was relevant to the crime?
Waxman is the best we have but let’s face it, make deals for permission to look at information concealed by a corrupt administration is not going to expose involvement by Rove, Rice, Gonzales, Cheney or Bush.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:12 pmInstead, we get, as Dawn said, blondes…young ones at that.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:13 pmwho are all of these pretty blonde girls?
Comment by stromThurmond
You need to look again, not so pretty:
June 13th, 2007 at 2:12 pmhttp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cnn.com/interactive/allpolitics/0505/gallery.watson.watch/images/02.taylor.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cnn.com/interactive/allpolitics/0505/gallery.watson.watch/content.1.2.html&h=220&w=324&sz=30&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=vD7v-KZoV4qhJM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsara%2Btaylor%2Bwhite%2Bhouse%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG
How ’bout a deal? To wit:
A) Bush fires Gonzales. In return,
June 13th, 2007 at 3:09 pmB) Congress passes the flawed immigration bill