Nuremberg prosecutor blasts Guantanamo trials.
Nuremberg prosecutor blasts Guantanamo trials.
“The U.S. war crimes tribunals at Guantanamo have betrayed the principles of fairness that made the Nazi war crimes trials at Nuremberg a judicial landmark, one of the U.S. Nuremberg prosecutors said on Monday.
“I think Robert Jackson, who’s the architect of Nuremberg, would turn over in his grave if he knew what was going on at Guantanamo,” Nuremberg prosecutor Henry King Jr. told Reuters in a telephone interview.
“It violates the Nuremberg principles, what they’re doing, as well as the spirit of the Geneva Conventions of 1949.”
“The concept of a fair trial is part of our tradition, our heritage,” King said from Ohio, where he lives. “That’s what made Nuremberg so immortal — fairness, a presumption of innocence, adequate defense counsel, opportunities to see the documents that they’re being tried with.”
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For some reason, I don’t think Robert Jackson would be cheering for the enemy before he prosecuted “war criminals”….
June 12th, 2007 at 7:53 pmIf there’s a friggin’ god, Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Wolfie, Rice, and Gonzo will be visiting a similar locale.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:57 pmThe Guantanomo prisoners should be let free and given American citizenship.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmThey are warriors of Allah!
But but but these are big bad terrorists!
June 12th, 2007 at 8:06 pmIf VV were actually an attorney, she would have respect for the law, and would be outraged at the goings-on at Gitmo.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:09 pmAs Americans ask for God’s blessing and wonder why He’s not answering this article can help answer that. While Americans sit back and watch American Idol and Paris going to jail. The White House will making the United States the new Nazi rule. 3500 plus soldiers are dead but Americans are only interested in Paris Hilton. We have lost our Justice System and the White House/Republicans say convicted criminals like Libby shouldn’t have to go to jail. The US Treasury has been robbed by the President, we put innocent people in jail for life at Gitmo, we torture people even if their the wrong person and racism is alive and well in the US. This is not the United State the founding Fathers built but the new US that Bush/Cheney/Rummy and Big Business have developed.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:11 pmThe enemy is totalitarian ideology, valiant venus, and the only one cheering for it here is you.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:22 pmA condemnation by a Nuremberg prosecutor.
Hardly a ringing endorsement, Chimpy.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:25 pm“He’s not an arch-criminal type, just a guy who was disaffected from the system,” King said.
King is a f*cking old fart. This description of the Australian War-Criminal (above) fits Hannah Arendt’s theory of the b*anality of evil to a tee (* = a). I can’t believe King has never read “Eichmann in Jerusalem”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 12th, 2007 at 8:27 pmZooey; Mighty moron is no more a lawyer than I am Mary Poppins. The only service she’s done is on her back.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:27 pmSources and methods are why standard SOP would be a tough road to travel here my friends. Can anyone guess what I’m getting at?
June 12th, 2007 at 8:30 pmIf there’s a friggin’ god, Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Wolfie, Rice, and Gonzo will be visiting a similar locale.
Comment by MsJoanne
To quote a line from a great movie,
“So, boys, have you traveled together before?”
June 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pm(before they “fade to black”)
What the Fukc TP,
I can’t say “H*nn*h *rendt”
“b*n*lity of evil”
“Eichm*nn in Jerus*lem”
???????????????????????????
June 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmWhy is impeachment off the table?
1. Torture is okay now?
2. Removing the right to a fair trial is okay now?
What happened to America?
Extremist Republicans, a compliant media, and compliant Democrats are all it takes to break America’s most basic principles.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:35 pmFor some reason, I don’t think Robert Jackson would be cheering for the enemy before he prosecuted “war criminalsâ€â€¦.
Comment by valiant venus
What? This is about what is right, good and moral. Unbelievable.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:44 pm“The defendants here are not on trial for losing the war, but for starting it.” -Robert Jackson at the Nuremberg trial.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Well, you know… the Geneva Convention is “quaint”, so who cares.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmThere is no situation where we can take the high ground any more. In every area, from the environment to justice, the Bush administration has corrupted it. We are hypocrites if we tell others how to treat their prisoners, how to clean their air and rivers, how to do anything — our integrity and credibility – our honor – is gone.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pmWe have people in government who would have been charged as war criminals 50 years ago; today we re-elect them, we appoint them, we even show them respect in interviews — not asking them tough questions or demanding full answers.
I am embarrassed by what my country has become under Bush rule. Perhaps it was headed this way before and I didn’t see it, but the blatant contempt by Bush&Co for everything compassionate and humane, in the name of the United States, has filled me with shame.
911,911,911,911,911…!
June 12th, 2007 at 8:56 pmThe Republican Party lost it’s way…at one time it was conservative…today it is as extremely radical as any regime in the world.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:57 pmYou can’t argue or debate with VV. She has not been honest about herself or her background. She slithers around here because she always picks up a comment or two and is able to derail the thread. If you slowly back away from a snake, they will usually slither away to their rock.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:59 pm13. President — Nope. You can’t mention anything J ewish.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:00 pmWhen it came to death row, G W Bush was the least merciful governor in Texas history when it came to commuting the death sentence. If Libby had been assessed the death penalty, he would not have to worry about a pardon.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:04 pm18 Marie
I could not agree more. When did this start? Reagan? Reagan did change health care from not for profit to for profit benefiting corporations. Was this the beginning of the immoral standards, now immoral standards in all areas we see motivated by greed? Even the corporate media is tainted, lies, suppresses the truth so the low filthy standards can remain while the corporations continue to reap the benefits. And with that said, I am worried about the general masses really knowing the truth in order to cast their vote in their interest.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pmSome how, we need to get back to We the People and get away from the corporate rule.
It’s funny that many of you cats give more slack to terrorists that would gladly cut your throats than the POTUS.
BDS.
Sources and methods.
Spies and saboteurs.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:21 pmIt’s funny that many of you cats give more slack to terrorists that would gladly cut your throats than the POTUS.
BDS.
Sources and methods.
Spies and saboteurs.
Comment by Toliver
STFU, you moronic bedwetter. You can’t even see that the POTUS would gladly hand over you and your children to the terrorists, if it meant more power and profit for him and his friends.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:29 pmWhat happened to America?
Comment by Martin Gifford
Dont want to be inflaming but the answer is nothing.
America does what Haiti would do if given the chance. Being an Empire means killing and repressing people. The war machine will be intact as long as not so many US citizens die…that seems to be the rule. US media and even liberal thinkers approve killing people as long as US interests are protected (hint: Nicaragua). What is amazing is that national extremists in US government dont respect even US citizens…that is not a clever way to maintain an empire going.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:31 pmIf some of you haven’t figured it out yet, Bush, Chaney, et al ARE terrorists.
How would YOU deal with an invading country who wanted YOUR resources?
Terrorism, my a$$! Sell it like you mean it, but I ain’t buying.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:37 pm.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:43 pm#24 had enough
I think the signs of what we are experiencing today were visible during the Reagan administration. He is the one who started so many of the programs that have grown to monstrous assaults on the average person. Remember when he said that catsup was a vegetable (for the poor kids’ meals). He is the one that began the dismantling of the labor unions. He was either ignorant of or complicit with the illegal Iran/contra affair. I was working in the medical field when he was in office: I recall the first for-profit hospital that was rejected by my community, but accepted by the neighboring town. It was awful. It was the era of the prolific HMO insurance coverage. It too was awful. I think the consequences of actions of the day are often not apparent for years – people today still think Reagan was a saint – I have a very different opinion.
I never thought we’d see corruption like the Nixon administration again, but I was wrong — we are witness to far, far worse in this one.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:57 pmI never thought we’d see corruption like the Nixon administration again, but I was wrong — we are witness to far, far worse in this one.
Comment by Marie
Some of the people in power now were involved in the Nixon years. They learned a lot from the Watergate scandal — do whatever you want to do, and do it better than Nixon et al ever dreamed, and then issue the pardons.
Repeat.
That’s why we need impeachment NOW.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:06 pmZooey,
Feverswamp paranoia got the better of you this evening?
You almost make Zooey seem sane by comparison MsJoanne.
Jihadists do exist and are trying to attain whatever destructive technologies they can to destroy Western cities.
The sand called and would like you to stop posting for a little while, for it misses your head.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:52 pmI think Toliver pees his pants every time he sees a brown-skinned dude with a beard.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:59 pmJihadists do exist and are trying to attain whatever destructive technologies they can to destroy Western cities.
The sand called and would like you to stop posting for a little while, for it misses your head.
Comment by Toliver
Dude,
All the “jihadists” need are a few box cutters and a president who ignores warning sign after warning sign.
I hope you feel safe in your little dream world.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:23 pmI’m sure if Bush would have taken the measures needed to prevent 9-11, all of the pacifists terrorist sympathizers here would have been right behind him in that preemptive effort.
Oh, and it’s not my type that wets the pants. I’ll leave that to the wussy hippies that make up much of the the far-left.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:32 pmToliver,
Please tell the class what you think “pre-emptive” measures would have been?
An attack? On whom?
What about READING the PDB? What about tightening the security at the airports? What about investigating the reports of flying lessons taken by those not wishing to know how to land?
That’s a nice start.
You support this war, Toliver. Your hands are drenched in blood.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:43 pmProfiling for one.
I’m sure you would have been all for that at the time.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:51 pmJihadists do exist and are trying to attain whatever destructive technologies they can to destroy Western cities.
Comment by Toliver
Funny you mention this, cuz so far, it has been only Western countries the ones bombing Arab countries.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:22 amProfiling for one.
I’m sure you would have been all for that at the time.
Comment by Toliver
Black or white.
All or nothing.
That’s how you idiots think. But then, you support the worst president ever, so it’s really no surprise.
**yawn**
June 13th, 2007 at 12:36 amZooey,
You know as well as I do that all Mid-Eastern men could have been searched and questioned (preflight) before 9/11 (ala El Al Airline). This action that you would have protested most likely would have prevented the destruction we saw on that day.
I suppose that sort of thinking is above your rather irrational head at this time. Keep hating your fellow Americans, as it must do you so much good.
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Please somehow convince your POTUS candidates to get in line w/your kook logic. I beg you.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:55 am#32 ~ Jihadists are real, just like kamikazes were real in WW2. Of course there were no kamikazes in the US during WW2, but it didn’t stop us from rounding up all the Japanese and putting them in camps.
Anyone have any fear that Ichiro Suzuki is going to suicide bomb Seattle? He’s very Japanese, the Japs are kamikazes aren’t they…? You see, people change, and become civilized over time — not them, of course, but us.
Americans, for all their desire to be good, are frightened, naive animals. Most of the stupid sh*t we do is a result of being scared. We knee-jerk and spill our bombs all over the place, and come back and apologize for being idiots a generation later.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:58 amThis coming from one of the members of the “greatest generation”. Take that, Jakie.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:45 amOh, and these people were the same ones that designed a great deal of the organization of the modern UN. And US bozos keep thinking that the UN is some sort of foreings invention.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:46 am#43 Sorry, I meant Jake (or MAF54)
June 13th, 2007 at 8:47 amhttp://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/05/hbc-90000071
The Persecution of LtCmdr Matthew Diaz
The Navy has commenced the court-martial in Norfolk, Virginia, of LtCmdr Matthew Diaz. Commander Diaz is a 19-year veteran who was last detailed to serve as a JAG at Guantánamo—he faces charges that he disseminated “secret national defense information†with “intent or reason to believe that the information was to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation.†The charges carry a possible prison sentence of 36 years. What exactly did Commander Diaz do? It appears from press reports that he mailed a New York law firm a list identifying detainees who were being held at Guantánamo.
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Restore Habeas Corpus
Many of you may recall the hasty passage of the Military Commissions Act in the weeks leading up to last year’s election, a bill that set new rules for trying detainees, in particular those currently being held at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.
The passage of this bill was a profound mistake, and its elimination of habeas corpus review was its worst error. Righting this wrong is one of my top priorities, and on the first day of this Congress I joined with Senator Arlen Specter to introduce the Habeas Corpus Restoration Act (S. 185). This bipartisan bill already has 17 cosponsors, but now we need your help to get it passed in the Senate.
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June 13th, 2007 at 9:16 am