O’Reilly Defends His Lack Of Iraq Coverage: Explosions In Iraq ‘Don’t Mean Anything’
O’Reilly Defends His Lack Of Iraq Coverage: Explosions In Iraq ‘Don’t Mean Anything’
A recent study by the Project for Excellence in Journalism found that in the first three months of 2007, Fox News devoted considerably less coverage to the Iraq war than did CNN and MSNBC, but almost twice as much time to the Anna Nicole Smith story:
Today on his radio show, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly derided the group behind the report as the “Project for Excellence in Left-Wing Journalism,” but then said he wouldn’t dispute their findings. He defended his lack of Iraq war coverage, stating that the only reason CNN and MSNBC “do so much Iraq reporting is because they want to embarrass the Bush administration”:
Now the reason that CNN and MSNBC do so much Iraq reporting is because they want to embarrass the Bush administration. Both do. And all their reporting consists of is here’s another explosion. Bang. Here’s more people dead. Bang. [...]
They’re not doing it to inform anybody about anything. The terrorists are going to set off a bomb every day because they know CNN and MSNBC are going to put it on the air. That’s a strategy for the other side. The terrorist side. So I’m taking an argument that CNN and MSNBC are actually helping the terrorists by reporting useless explosions.
Do you care if another bomb went off in Tikrit? Does it mean anything? No! It doesn’t mean anything.
CLICK HERE TO LISTENThe explosions in Iraq have killed over 3,500 U.S. troops since 2003. Journalists stationed in Iraq stress that coverage of the violence is necessary to ensure that the American public understands soldiers’ sacrifices:
CBS News Correspondent Lara Logan: When you see an American kid get shot and friends come to his aid and risk their lives, and see how they live day after day, you realize it is very hard for people far away to understand just how great are the sacrifices being made.
CNN International Correspondent Michael Ware: Clearly, it’s very hard to distill into one story the reality of life on the ground. Many of the soldiers I was with recently in Ramadiyah feel that people back home are turning off to an extent. They feel they’re fighting this war in a vacuum. That’s where you see the true strength of these men. They continue to do their jobs professionally and bravely.
O’Reilly constantly claims that he supports the troops. For O’Reilly, supporting the troops means ignoring their work and saying that the explosions killing them don’t “mean anything.”
Transcript:
O’REILLY: So let’s call it the Project for Excellence in Left-Wing Journalism, and then you label it correctly.
Alright, now they came up with a study of how Iraq is covered by the three cables. And Fox News covers it less than CNN and MSNBC. Okay, I’m not going to dispute that. I can’t talk for Fox News and what they do during the day. E.D. Hill might be able to, but I can’t.
But on my program, I don’t do a lot of Iraq reporting because we don’t know what’s happening. We can’t find out. Now the reason that CNN and MSNBC do so much Iraq reporting is because they want to embarrass the Bush administration. Both do. And all their reporting consists of is here’s another explosion. Bang. Here’s more people dead. Bang.
Alright, now we know that. We don’t have to report. It’s like Vietnam. Did you report every fire fight? No. The reason that CNN and MSNBC put it on is because they want to give the impression that the war is a loser and Bush is an idiot. That may be true. The war is a loser and Bush may be an idiot. Okay, that’s for you to decide. But that’s why they’re doing it.
They’re not doing it to inform anybody about anything. The terrorists are going to set off a bomb every day because they know CNN and MSNBC are going to put it on the air. That’s a strategy for the other side. The terrorist side. So I’m taking an argument that CNN and MSNBC are actually helping the terrorists by reporting useless explosions.
Do you care if another bomb went off in Tikrit? Does it mean anything? No! It doesn’t mean anything. You can’t put it in any perspective. We don’t know if the surge is working, if security is better. We can’t find out. Why? Because our correspondents can’t give you that kind of breadth, no correspondents could.
Now we don’t believe — “we” being The Factor — that the war in Iraq is going well. And I’ve said that over and over. Am I going to bring you every explosion? No. Kicker on this? Fox News creams CNN and MSNBC in the ratings all day, every day. At 8:00 The Factor beats every single — not only MSNBC and CNN — but CNBC and Headline News, combined. Because we bring you stuff that is new, that is relevant to your life, and I’m not going to cover every bomb that goes off in Tikrit.
Now the Associated Press writes this article, kicks it out there, like Fox is in the tank, and doesn’t want to give you bad news. That’s a lie. And it comes off a guys-that-hate-Fox Project for Excellence in Journalism. Come on. This guy Jurkowitz — I’m not going to get into the personal realm, but it’s just ridiculous.
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O’Reilly’s been Loofahing his Felafel too much.
He’s obviously gone insane.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:55 pmIn the whole scheme of things, other than Hiroshima and Nagasaki, did any individual bomb during WWII mean anything substantive? Of course, for family and friends of U.S. soldiers killed, it is a tragedy. O’Rielly is not discounting that.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:56 pmTheir corporate masters, and the puppets who watch, don’t want to hear about the Iraq war. Denial is a Republican staple.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:57 pmWAY off topic but absolutely hilarious. Chimpy had his watch stolen yesterday in Albania. Look at this. By the time this clip reaches 1:00 in, Chimpy’s watch has disappeared!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKDdF6vfjoo
June 12th, 2007 at 4:57 pmBecause they don’t care. They don’t care about the troops nor the American people. They cater to the GOPs, and spill their lies.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:58 pmIt figures some inbred Repuke troll would come in here and try to defend that psychopathic O’Reilly.
This is about how Fox News spent twice as much time as the other networks on Anna Nicole and much less time on Iraq, a real story.
O’Reilly’s defense of this is utter nonsense. Iraq is a story and deserves top coverage.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:58 pm“Do you care if another bomb went off in Tikrit? Does it mean anything? No! It doesn’t mean anything.”
I see that Bill “Support the Troops” O’Reilly… is spouting off the usual idiotic nonsense.
THIS, is what America has become folks.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:59 pmWhat O’Reilly is trying to justify is censorship of news events.
When a bomb goes off in Iraq and kills US troops, it IS news.
Every single freakin’ time. It never stops being news.
O’Reilly knows that these news reports are souring the public on the Iraq war, that’s why he defends censorship of Iraq coverage by FOX.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:59 pmUS Tells Maliki to Pass Oil Law by July
the commander,Adm. William Fallon, told Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki that theIraqi government should aim to complete a law on the division of oil proceeds by July. Iraq’s Shiite dominated-government, Fallon added in the meeting, has consolidated power and should have the confidence to reach out to its opponents. “You have the power,” Fallon said. “You should take the initiative.”
http://www.handsoffiraqioil.org/
June 12th, 2007 at 4:59 pm#2 Jakie Jakie Jakie,
Do you ACTUALLY BELIEVE what you just wrote??? If so, you are about the most blindly loyal Troll ever to mouth breathe!
You are also in favor of no caskets being shown or wounded? Even when I was in Vietnam, we had reporters there, showing people at home what was REALLY going on, but that is exactly what the BushCo Cabal doesn’t want to happen.
How sad your life must be, following these scumbags like you do.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:01 pmDidnt this get posted two months ago when that graph was recent?
If you must prove Bill-O irrelevant once again, im sure theres something more up to date that you could use.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:02 pmSo, what exactly is BillO saying? I thought the Fox News motto was “We Report. You Decide.” This makes it very difficult for someone to “decide” a matter if Fox doesn’t “report” the matter.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:02 pmFox, for over a decade, has charged that the “liberal media” was reporting news with a “bias” and that Fox would bring a “balance”–hence the motto. The accusation was that the “liberal media” were “deciding” FOR the viewer.
BillO has just proved that Fox is every bit as biased. Who the hell does BillO think he is to “decide” what to “report”?
(To the Falafel defenders, yes, I’m aware he’s commenting from his RADIO show, BUT he’s using his radio pulpit to defend his TV show’s network. Let’s get BillO on his TV show and defend Fox’s lack of coverage THERE.)
For the record, any “censorship” that violates the First Amendment should not be allowed by any State Actor — news departments are not State Actors.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmIntersting poll I found on Kos!!
It shows how Clinton is the only President since Truman to leave office with a higher approval rating then the one he came in with.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html
June 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmTerrytheTurtle – - nice one
within 30 seconds his wristwatch was gone … ha ha
June 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmJake has become a whole new level of dumb.
In the whole scheme of things, Jake means nothing.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:03 pmI hope my dad heard BO say that….
June 12th, 2007 at 5:04 pmI like how your transcripts start as his reference to the Left Wing Study. Taken in context, he was obviously saying something beforehand that lead to his calling it left-wing and you conveniently omitted that part of his monologue. Interesting.
And to some extent he is right. If 1 bomb going off each day would create an impression that the enemy is losing the war and it gets harped on and I can make use of it, guess what? Im setting a bomb off everyday. A previous commentor was correct, in other wars you didnt hear about every single bomb that went off. Its expected in a war situation. Its war, its gonna be terrible, lives are going to be lost, bombs and other explosions will go off. The problem is that is all the likes of CNN covers. They dont cover any of the good things our guys do over there. THAT is where the coverage is truly lacking. CNN and MSNBC harp on the bad stuff and completely ignore anything positive.
And OReilly himself complained on several occassions about the amount of coverage that was given to Anna Nicole.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:05 pmNoted historian, David McCullough, has stated America would have lost our own Revolutionary War if today’s media were covering that in 1776.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:06 pm….because they want to embarrass the Bush administration.
Is BO admitting that this war is an embarrassment to the Bush Admin?
I hope so.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:06 pm#17 Zooey,
Maybe if enough old-timers actually hear this kind of crap enough, we can get more support to dump this bunch of sewer sludge out on their collective asses!
June 12th, 2007 at 5:06 pmAnyone of the Greatest Generation knows this is true.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:06 pmMaybe if enough old-timers actually hear this kind of crap enough, we can get more support to dump this bunch of sewer sludge out on their collective asses!
Comment by upside00
You know it, upside00.
If I tell my dad about this, then I’m just hating BO. But if he hears it for himself, maybe, just maybe he’ll start thinking about what BO just said.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:08 pmMartin, if TP posted this “two months ago”, then maybe you should go on BillO’s show and ask HIM why he waited so long to comment on the matter. If you’ll reread the article posted by Amanda, “Today on his radio show, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly derided the group”.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:08 pmI’m kinda in a Haiku mood today:
Fox spews hateful trash,
Bildo the dildo,
Where’s the Iraq war?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pmping
June 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pmFIGHTING IN A VACUUM
June 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pmTherein lies the quintessential soundbite that grasps the nature of the Neo-Orewellian world the Neoconservative Zionist Media has created. The MSM is engaged in “commission by omission”, aiding the Neoconservaitve propaganda by ignoring most of the war, so as to not instigate public outcry against a monster in the White House and a popular grassroots call for withdrawal. Unfortunately, they are signalling the troops, unintentionally, that the modern rulers, and by rulers I do not mean Bush, don’t really care what happens to them, they will die and or be maimed in social isolation, all for the greater glory of the propaganda machine.
The first casualty of war is truth.
Anyone of the Greatest Generation knows this is true.
Comment by Jake
You know nothing except how to be a passive authoritarian follower.
Baaaa…….sheep.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:09 pmZoo,
When we can get the truth to the American people, then MAYBE enough of them will wake up and do what is needed. (maybe Jake included, heh heh).
June 12th, 2007 at 5:10 pmAnd OReilly himself complained on several occassions about the amount of coverage that was given to Anna Nicole.
Comment by jason
Oh well……nevermind then.
**eyes rolling**
June 12th, 2007 at 5:10 pmIf the war were going well for America, why would O’Reilly call it an embarassment? He is just an entertainer who makes a living on the stupidity of Americans. Anyone with half a brain does not watch or listen to that opportunist.
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June 12th, 2007 at 5:12 pm“…That may be true. The war is a loser and Bush may be an idiot….Because we bring you stuff that is new, that is relevant to your life…”
That’s funny, he admits that Bush may be an idiot and the war is a loser (taken out of context, but still). He is also saying that the war in Iraq is irrelevant. That’s just funny.
He’s full of sh%t (aka ‘empty rhetoric’) and a bully, but sometimes he’s so off the wall phycho that I find it amusing.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:12 pmJosephW:
I think what BillO is saying “exactly” is to keep some perspective. If all Fox News did was report every DUI across the country, you would soon think it was an epidemic, even if the rate was declining. Get it?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:13 pmWhere’s that used loofah,
Why Bill its up your arsehole,
Dildo’s are more fun.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:13 pmJeez, what a whacko. I would NOT want him doing anything with a title for my house.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:14 pm#30
Agreed…. and include OxyCon Rush, Haniteehee, Beck and Savage in that group of panderers to the low-IQ 28%ers.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:14 pmStupid Repuke troll, trying to compare Iraq violence with DUIs.
This is like the idiot Repukes who tried to say Baghdad was safer than an American city.
Go back under your bridge, troll.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:15 pmHaiku for Jake:
Why does Jake come here,
For only the devil knows,
Blindness befouls Jake
June 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmAll news stations need to be covering the fact that $300 billion has been spent on the on the war in Iraq while thousands of people around the world go to bed hungry each night. The Borgen Project states that according to the Millennium Development Goals there are elements in place to combat world hunger. The deficit in the funding is over $19 billion. Perhaps if some of the funds from the war on terror were used to fight global poverty lives could be save instead of American lives lost.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmActually, Bill’s right on this one — all of those bombs going off in Iraq, the sectarian death squads and all that nonsense… it really doesn’t matter. Certainly not to us Americans almost halfway around the world.
Whether this means that Bill has a “pre-9/11 mindset” where he ridiculously believes that oceans and such can protect us or is in favor of bringing our troops home because he can’t figure out what we’re spending over $8,000,000,000 per month out there on is what we’ll be discussing next on…
The Oh R’lyeh Factor! Your #1 show for driving pundits insane before we chow down on them…
June 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pmRoboTroll 3100 reports:
Individual bombs don’t mean anything.
Why should we ruin our beautiful minds with the one bomb a day that’s going off?
If you compare it to something much larger, it seems pretty small.
If NO bombs were going off, that would mean something and should be reported. But since SOME bombs are going off, they don’t mean anything.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:17 pmKeith Crapperman does nothing for the troops, either. War, of course, requires death, yet Olbermann mouths about it as an excuse to to mock the President excessively.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:18 pmThen our soldiers are dying for “nothing.” Thanks for pointing that out to us, Bill.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:18 pmA propaganda machine can’t be held to account the truth. End of Story.
O’Reilly’s motherstation should have their license censured- and their name changed to remove the word “news”.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:18 pmFor the record, any “censorship†that violates the First Amendment should not be allowed by any State Actor — news departments are not State Actors.
Comment by Jake
What exactly is a “State Actor”?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:18 pmThe right-wing (as usual) takes responsibility for nothing. This is their way of sweeping their mistake under the rug.
Heckuva f**ked up war, right-wingers. You broke it, you own it.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pmBile-O: if explosions dont mean anything–why do they keep going off every fn day killing Americans? Do dying Americans not mean anything?
“So I’m taking an argument that CNN and MSNBC are actually helping the terrorists by reporting useless explosions.” So, those who died in those useless explosions are helping the terrorists by dying (because I think MSNBC and CNN are covering the people dying you dumb sh*t not the explosions).
Embarrass Bush? Not a chance. He doing just fine on his own!
June 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pmBob:
He’s right about keeping things in perspective (see my example about DUI above).
June 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pmDidnt this get posted two months ago when that graph was recent?
If you must prove Bill-O irrelevant once again, im sure theres something more up to date that you could use.
Comment by martin
martin, if we wanted to hear whining we’d talk to our kids. Couldn’t you just go to another thread?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:19 pmre: Comment No. 8 Tom3
Come on, read the transcript and don’t succumb to the spin.
O’Reilly’s point is that the difference in coverage is a function of CNN and MSNBC motives to discredit President Bush, rather then objective journalism. Which anyone with a brain might think is important to note as we move closer to the election cycle.
Perhaps that’s too difficult of a concept for you to grasp.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:20 pmUseless explosions?
O’Reilly is an idiot.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:20 pm#42 You couldn’t carry Keith’s (large) balls!! He is about the only true American on TV any more!
No one else will stand up to the BushCo Flying Circus and BullSh#t Machine. And his ratings are going up while Bill O’s are declining, as is Rusher’s and Beck’s.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmFor the record, more Americans are killed in traffic accidents each year than in combat. Also, see here for “State Actor”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_actor
June 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmFortunately O’Reilly isn’t a news director and doesn’t get to impose his censorship on the news.
He is just another Reichwing hot-air pundit.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmAnd OReilly himself complained on several occassions about the amount of coverage that was given to Anna Nicole.
Comment by jason
TP is hardly a bastion of O’Leilly love, so if you sycophants don’t like it, perhaps another website would be better for you.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pmAll comments are to be posted in Haiku style, lets try.
Olbermann speaks truth,
His shtick can be dumb at times,
He should drop the shtick.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmNoted historian, David McCullough, has stated America would have lost our own Revolutionary War if today’s media were covering that in 1776.
Comment by Jake
Does he also add apples and oranges on a regular basis?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmMaybe if enough old-timers actually hear this kind of crap enough, we can get more support to dump this bunch of sewer sludge out on their collective asses!
Comment by upside00
Isn’t Jake an old-timer?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmFox News was singing a much different tune about the war back in 2003. Eagles were screeching and soaring across the TV screen as our Tanks were roaring across the desert into Baghdad. Fox News was one big, patriotic rightwing orgy wrapped in stars and stripes all day and all night. So what happened?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI heard Glenn Beck’s ratings are in the terlit. LOL!!
I hope he gets fired soon. He’s a typical racist Repuke a$$hole.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmUseless explosions,
Is what we call Bill’s talking,
Turn off the T.V.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:23 pmAnyone of the Greatest Generation knows this is true.
Comment by Jake
I thought the “Greatest Generation” is WWII vets. Aren’t you an alleged Korean War veteran?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:24 pmTrends in collision statistics:
Road toll figures show that car collision fatalities have declined since 1980, with most countries showing a reduction of roughly 50%. This drop appears to confirm the efficacy of safety measures introduced thereafter, assuming that driver behaviour has not changed significantly.
In the United States, there were 42,884 traffic fatalities in 2003. However, in terms of fatalities per 100 million miles driven, the fatality rate has dropped 16% between 1995 and 2005. Injuries dropped 37% over the same period. (National Traffic Safety Administration, 2006)
June 12th, 2007 at 5:25 pmIt’s not surprising that they weren’t covering a war that has become a detriment for the conservatives. The Borgen Project states that it costs just $19 billion annually to end starvation, but the Bush administration has spent over $340 billion in Iraq. It’s no wonder that a war touting group isnt doing well and are seeking refuge from all the criticism.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:26 pmAs far as I know, none of the US traffic fatalities are people getting blown up by roadside bombs.
It figures the Repuke troll would support suppression of news.
Further proof that Repukes are fascist traitors.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:28 pmNoted historian, David McCullough, has stated America would have lost our own Revolutionary War if today’s media were covering that in 1776.
Comment by Jake — June 12, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
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And the Allies wouldn’t have won World War II had Bush and his corrupt, inept administration been in charge. Just for starters, sending half as many troops that were needed, and hearing such shit as “I doubt the war will last 6 months” would have gotten us laughed back to American soil.
Oh, and this teeny little fact: Hitler and the Axis powers were actually a threat. Iraq was not. Colin Powell and Condi Rice both said so in 2001. And this one, too: we fought the Japanese, who had actually attacked us, instead of running off to an innocent country like, oh, Australia, and destroying a sovereign country that was NO THREAT to us.
Idiot.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:28 pmFor the record, I am 75 years old, so I was a youngster during WWII and do not count myself as the Greatest Generation who overcame the Great Depression and WWII. I think David McCullough is right on the money too.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:28 pmFor the record, it’s sad that so many Americans think that he’s real news…
http://www.adweek.com/aw/magazine/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003596717
His glib attitude towards the violence in Iraq tells the whole story, he’s anti-human, anti-troop, and in my eyes, anti-American.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:29 pmThe Greatest Generation is a term sometimes used to denote the younger half of what is often referred to as the G.I. Generation. The term is derived from the title of a best-selling book by Tom Brokaw and is generally assumed to mean those born in the United States from about 1911 through 1924, with an alternate label, that of the Interbellum Generation, sometimes applied to persons born from 1901 through 1910.
In contrast to the Interbellum Generation, whose children were predominantly members of the Silent Generation, the Greatest Generation went on to give birth to the majority of the Baby Boomers, who then challenged their authority during the turbulent 1960s and early 1970s, especially over the issue of the Vietnam War.
They were the generation that fought during World War II and many again in the Korean War, and went on to rebuild the world’s industries in the following years. “The Greatest Generation” by Tom Brokaw depicts the Americans who came of age during the Great Depression and fought World War II, and went on to build America into the World Superpowr she is today.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:30 pmRoboTroll 3100 reports:
Many Americans are killed in DUI accidents each year.
Oranges are no good to American consumers because apples make better apple pie. If you try to make apple pie with oranges, you will see how right I am.
For the record, George Bush did not cause any DUI deaths this year. Yet the left-wing media will not report this fact.
Look over there! Paris Hilton’s lawyer!
June 12th, 2007 at 5:31 pmFor the record, Jake is a lying piece of $hit.
He’s a Repuke troll with nothing intelligent to say.
And like all Repukes, he’s a closet case.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:31 pm“State Actor” examples: Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Fred Thompson.
Brought to you by the hypocritical party that hates “Hollywood types.”
June 12th, 2007 at 5:31 pm-refresh-
June 12th, 2007 at 5:32 pmThis Repuke troll favors suppression of news that doesn’t support Chimpy. That is un-American.
He is not an American. He is a FASCIST.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmI think what BillO is saying “exactly†is to keep some perspective. If all Fox News did was report every DUI across the country, you would soon think it was an epidemic, even if the rate was declining. Get it?
Comment by Jake — June 12, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
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If it’s perspective you want, Jake, then Bill needs to report the good news stories…one per night…on his show that the Bush administration say are happening in Iraq. One of the troops involved in bringing Baby Noor over here to America for a life-alterting operation tells us that there are thousands of “good news” stories just like it.
So tell us, Jake, why doesn’t FoxNews.com have any good news stories on their Web site? They are the mouthpiece and the darling of the Bush administration, after all.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmDon’t forget Chuck Heston, another evil librrrul Hollywood type.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmPeople have the choice to switch to other channels for news.
But they still watch Fox in larger numbers. Which is their choice.
Probably because Fox is fair AND balanced.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:33 pmFOX News is fair and balanced? LOL!!
FOX News has been proven to be unfair and unbalanced.
Their bias is well known and documented.
Anybody who thinks FOX News is fair and balanced is an idiot.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:35 pmI get it O’Reily is saying that the American’s killed in Iraq don’t mean anything, they died in vain, and it was meaningless. Good job Bill keep it up.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:35 pm……….
June 12th, 2007 at 5:37 pmBy Dild O’Reilly’s convoluted reasoning, Rudy Giuliani was and is aiding al Queda when he was mugging for the cameras with a smoldering pile of 9-11 rubble behind him and when he keeps on invoking 9-11. Rudy keeps giving al Queda free advertising. Al Queda “is going to keep setting off bombs every day because they know” Rudy Giuliani is going to mention it everyday.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:37 pmRemember when Murdoch admitted he was using FOX News to sway public opinion towards the war in Iraq?
Remember Roger Ailes’ infamous memos where he ordered news editors to push fluff stories and suppress real news?
Yeah, fair and balanced. Surrrre.
Dumbass.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:39 pmJake and BillO can dismiss the deaths of our soldiers and pretend there’s nothing to see here because they see our troops as disposable fodder. For them, it’s all about supporting Bush, no matter how many are killed, no matter how messed up it is. Come on, here we are arming Sunnis now – the very people who have killed our troops over there and terrorized Iraqis- and they think it’s all hunky dorey. These are people with no moral compass. They prefer that our dead troops go unnoticed. So much for a grateful nation.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:45 pmOreilly’s kinda a dick.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:45 pmWAY off topic but absolutely hilarious. Chimpy had his watch stolen yesterday in Albania. Look at this. By the time this clip reaches 1:00 in, Chimpy’s watch has disappeared!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKDdF6vfjoo
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 12, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Ha ha ha ha ha h ah ah ah ah ahahhaha hahahahahhahah.
I hope it was an extemely expensive Rolex.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:46 pmComment by Jake
75-year olds in my town write super-good articles to the editor of my local paper, and on the issue of illegal aliens they have an excellent wit and breathtaking arguments on how and why we should keep out these criminal mexicans. Afterwards, its funny to see these youngies try to respond to these veterans-in-life with their loony indoctrination talking-points. Quite stupid, they are. These kids will never be anything like the “greatest generation.” If you really are a 75 year-old war vet, I say GREAT for you! You rock!
June 12th, 2007 at 5:46 pmGeorge Bush himself has said that the “war” on terror will not be won the way a conventional war can be won. There will be no peace treaties signed aboard ships, he tells us.
So tell us, Jake, oh youngster of WWII, when will we be able to declare victory in the “war” on terror? What’s the percentage of terrorists that will have to be killed, or tried, convicted, and executed or locked up for life, in order for us to declare victory?
How many attacks per day, or week, or month, against our troops in Iraq will be acceptable to you in order for us to declare victory and start a drawdown of troops?
Why is it that Bush bitches and whines and accuses all Democrats of supporting the terrorists and wanting them to win and complains that the Middle East will collapse into chaos if we withdraw too soon and the terrorists will wait us out if we announce a timeline, yet he is all too ready to leave…”no problem”… if the Iraqi government asks us to go?
And why is it that Bush is oh so concerned about terrorists getting away if he has to go to the FISA court to get a warrant on a domestic-to-international call, yet isn’t the least bit concerned about catching a terrorist or is not concerned with the time it takes to get a warrant for a domestic-to-domestic call (which could easily involve two terrorists) because he’ll go to the court for that?
And why is it that the NSA needs the records of trillions of phone calls when the warrantless wiretapping program is limited, in that it targets known or suspected terrorists only?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:47 pmComment by Mr. President
Keith F*ckerman is not far behind.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:47 pmMy dad is an 85 year old veteran.
He hates Chimpy as much as I do.
Not all the Greatest Generation are idiot Repuke trolls.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pmLooks like the trolls are having a circle-jerk again.
Bunch of homos.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pm.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:50 pmOlberman recently had a Worst Person contest where O’Reilly was competing against himself.
O’Reilly got both the Worse and Worst prizes that day.
Keith Olberman ROCKS! He tells the truth and has a conscience.
Bill O’Reilly has neither.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:50 pmProbably because Fox is fair AND balanced.
Comment by muckdog — June 12, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
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It is not fair and balanced for Fox and Friends to denounce Tim Robbins for speaking out about views on the “war” on terror because he is an actor (and Democrat), yet days later invite another celebrity on the show and as the first question: “So, what do you think about the war?”
Oh, and in a fit of professionalism this morning, those idiots on Fox and Friends were superimposing pictures of their faces over that of a mug shot of a lady who had been arrested for stealing toilet paper.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pmYeah, Fox is so neutral they have to tell you every other seg in big bold letters that they’re ‘fair and balanced’.
Remember when Cronkite said, “And that’s the way it is…” and you could believe it?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:52 pm….
June 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pmIn the whole scheme of things, other than Hiroshima and Nagasaki, did any individual bomb during WWII mean anything substantive? Of course, for family and friends of U.S. soldiers killed, it is a tragedy. O’Rielly is not discounting that.
Comment by Jake
You have a point there Jake. Unfortunately, it’s not a very good one.
How much TV news coverage did we have in the Forties? 1-2 hours a day, on each network perhaps? How many networks did we have then? Perhaps 2-3 or three, I guess. How many people even owned TVs then?
Contrasted with today, with dozens TV networks broadcasting news 24/7 each and every day.
Certainly the huge amount of news being aired on TV, in todays word, would warrant that if anything, MORE time could be allowed to report these sorts of events.
And YES, O’Reilly IS discounting it. As an (alleged) war veteran, you should be appalled at his comments.
Anyway, as usual, you present your self as a insufferable apologist, with absolutely NO credibility whatsoever.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pmThey were the generation that fought during World War II and many again in the Korean War, and went on to rebuild the world’s industries in the following years. “The Greatest Generation†by Tom Brokaw depicts the Americans who came of age during the Great Depression and fought World War II, and went on to build America into the World Superpowr she is today.
Comment by Jake — June 12, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Too bad all of those old people are going senile and think like you jake.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pmI can’t stand it but I think OReilly has a point. By airing the successes of the insurgent or terrorists or whatever you want to call them, aren’t they getting what they want? Isn’t that the whole point of what they are doing?
June 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pmyep, you want our news to be censored?
go to hell, troll.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:58 pmFor the record, more Americans are killed in traffic accidents each year than in combat. Also, see here for “State Actorâ€: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_actor
Comment by Jake
Exactly, in fact, more people each month are killed then during the 911 attack.
SO WHY IS THIS WAR IN IRAQ BEING FOUGHT, ALLEGEDLY, FOR OUR SAFETY???
Wouldn’t better driver awareness programs, potentially, save a few thousand lives every year? Why isn’t more effort being put into such programs, IF THE GOVERNMENT IS REALLY SINCERE ABOUT OUR SAFETY???
June 12th, 2007 at 6:00 pmA sure sign billy is on his way out.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:03 pmHopefully he’ll take the whole station with him.
“Isn’t that the whole point of what they are doing?”
Comment by yep
Personally I don’t believe they deal in subtleties.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:03 pmThe insurgents/terrorists are simply interested in killing and maiming as many others as possible.
Notice that they have for the most part given up on broadcasting their successes, at least where we can view them here in this country.
I think that as a result of 6 years of inaction by the American public, and its representatives in Congress, they have come to believe that America, and all Americans, are truly evil, and need to be attacked at every opportunity.
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June 12th, 2007 at 6:04 pmO’Reilly is a neocon who takes order from the Jews.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pmI congrdulate the Al-Qaeda in Iraq and other Jihadists.
I hope more Americans diee so our Great Mother Hillary wins in 2008!
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Well, those “old people going senile” laid the foundation of modern America that you enjoy today.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI just read that the terrorists are using IEDs with sh!t in them.
So our troops get infected when they’re wounded.
O’Reilly would rather we didn’t know this. Bombs are meaningless.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:08 pmI don’t think the issue is really whether another bomb means something or not. The issue is that O’Reilly believes war reporting makes Bush look bad. If Iraq is going so well, then wouldn’t Bush want there to be more coverage of the war? And if the coverage is only on the “bad news”, then why doesn’t Fox cover the “good news” instead of just not covering it at all. Aren’t we supposed to be winning in Iraq? Wouldn’t Fox want to report that? Supposedly the surge is working… Shouldn’t Fox show us some examples of that on the news? Why is it that if we report the war, that is damaging to George Bush, so we just don’t report the war?
June 12th, 2007 at 6:08 pmI’m sure Michael Ware would love to come on BO’s show.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:11 pmAs a reply to yep….
“I can’t stand it but I think OReilly has a point. By airing the successes of the insurgent or terrorists or whatever you want to call them, aren’t they getting what they want? Isn’t that the whole point of what they are doing?”
Do you think that the most important thing to the insurgents is making the 6 o’clock news in the USA?
I think the most important thing to the insurgents is actually killing American soldiers and those in league with them. The foreign troops are considered occupyers and they want nothing more than all of them dead. That’s the most important thing. Documenting that to the public means nothing to them.
If Bush had been at all worried about his reputation.. he never would have kept the ground forces in there after his 4 day war.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:11 pm#
I’m sure Michael Ware would love to come on BO’s show.
Comment by michael — June 12, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
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June 12th, 2007 at 6:14 pmI would really like to see that.
For the record, and for those who have not encountered resident troll Jake before, he is not a “75-year-old Korean War veteran”. He had ceased making that claim a couple of months ago after he was busted trying to cop the bio of a real Korean War veteran. Apparently, he feels that enough time has gone by that no one will remember that incident.
Best estimates is that Jake is in his mid-twenties and underemployed. Also undereducated, judging by the quality of his posts.
He has no interest in honest debate. Ignore him.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:15 pm[]
June 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pm******So what does TP want? Maximize bad war news!! In fact TP and the Progressives Leftards LOVE BAAAAD news from the war front!! They would sign a surrender agreement themselves (if our enemies believe in such civilized things) if it would advance their political agenda.
They cheer when suicide bombers take out more innocent civilians….all the while wringing their hands over those same Iraqi’s. They secretly relish stories of IED’s and the wounds they inflict. Why??? Because Leftists despise conservatives…pure and simple. It’s not any more complicated than that. Because THIS attack occurred on a Repub presidents watch….the traitors of the Left are opposed.
While the previous administration ignored Saddam’s violations of the Gulf War Cease Fire and funding of suicide bombers….this President did not. Osama bin Laden were NOT “friends”…..but “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and Saddam provided a hospitable and shady environment for international terrorists to gather……
Tooodles…
June 12th, 2007 at 6:16 pmNo wonder I’m turning to MSNBC for my news more and more. They lead in covering both the Presidential race and the Iraq War. Even their conservatives like Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough are somewhat tolerable, and don’t just blindly follow the party line on every subject. Plus they have Keith Olberman, the Edward R. Murrow of our generation.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:18 pmWhy O’Reilly’s not concern? Because he gets paid big time for not putting his big and useless ass on the line like our troops. That’s why the conservatives love him: The Big Money loves screwing over our troops while the ordinary conservatives love screwing over their family members that are in Iraq.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:19 pmComment by valiant venus — June 12, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Why doesn’t Fox cover all of the good news in Iraq? Examples of how the surge is working? Examples of how our combat troops are helping their government become stronger? Anything positive at all? You rant and rave about all of the bad news being reported, but why is it that Fox is not reporting the good news?
June 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pmArmando – When was the draft re-instated???? Does the term “volunteer” ARMY confuse you?
June 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
June 12th, 2007 at 6:21 pmChris – Have you ever seen people celebrate bad Iraq news as GLEEFULLY as leftards??? Me neither….
June 12th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI’m sure Michael Ware would love to come on BO’s show.
Comment by michael
I’d find a way to watch that. :)
June 12th, 2007 at 6:24 pm“Valiant Venus”,
No, they simply want a “news” organization to report the most important story of our time. No, not Anna Nicole or Paris Hilton, the IRAQ WAR.
The American public listed the Iraq War as their #1 issue back in November ‘06, and the casualties and scale of the war have only increased since then. If people are basing their election decision on Iraq, then obviously it’s important to us, and should be reported on by supposed “news” organizations. Stop dumbing down the news and turning it into Entertainment Tonight and report about what is happening in Iraq. If you can find positive stories too, fine, but at least report about events going on there. Don’t just try to sweep it under the rug now that it’s turned badly for Bush. Fox News was Iraq War 24/7 when things were going well.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:25 pmJake, please e-mail these people, who have lost their loved ones in Iraq, and let them know how meaningless you think that news about their loved ones getting killed is…
mfso@mfso.org
June 12th, 2007 at 6:26 pmI wonder why oprah likes him !
June 12th, 2007 at 6:27 pm> While the previous administration ignored Saddam’s violations of the
> Gulf War Cease Fire and funding of suicide bombers….this President did
> not. Osama bin Laden were NOT “friendsâ€â€¦..but “the enemy of my
> enemy is my friend†and Saddam provided a hospitable and shady
> environment for international terrorists to gather……
> Tooodles…
> Comment by valiant venus
(…voiceover…)
Valiant Venus – Toeing the Party Line 24/7 with proud cluelessness, so YOU don’t have to!
Get informed now at your friendly liberal media outlet before the cattle truck arrives.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:29 pm-
June 12th, 2007 at 6:30 pm.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pm#
Chris – Have you ever seen people celebrate bad Iraq news as GLEEFULLY as leftards??? Me neither….
Comment by valiant venus — June 12, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
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I have never seen anyone on either the right or left celebrate bad news in Iraq. Ever. However, if you’re going to say that all war reporting is bad, then you are saying there is no good news to report. Why isn’t Fox reporting the good news?
June 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pmWell, those “old people going senile†laid the foundation of modern America that you enjoy today.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
You’re damn right they did, and I asked my 83 year old grandfather, a member of the Greatest Generation, his opinion on the news coverage. You see, he contributed in WWII as a cryptographer and electrical engineer in LA, so he knows something about the distribution of information in wartime. In his opinion, war news of the “exercise in futility,” as he calls the Iraq War, is being severely suppressed in the media as a whole, mor e than anyone of us knows.
Its a completely different war, he says. Then, information couldn’t travel fast enough to be much good to the public or and at times, the military. Now, information is power, and fear is the unknown, which is how terrorists, any terrorists, want it. The more we know about what is going on, the less fearful we will be as a whole and that includes the disaster in Iraq. The media was suppressed by the gov’t in every war until the Persian Gulf War, which by anyone’s standards was a success. Now we have reverted back to the old days. And we are worse off for it.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:37 pmDear Who cares aboutMichaelMoore – I’m really surprised!! IF the Dems are such a (small “d” ) democratic AND responsive party, how come they have not overwhelmingly responded to the concerns of the American people….you know, those folks you cite. The people spoke – Dems could end the war very quickly…..IF they wanted to. (So now you think we should not just report the news – which Fox and other outlets do – but re-convince the American public that the Dems are going to end this war, which they won’t.) You see, this isn’t about “the WAR”….it’s about the Dems gaining power. Frankly, if Dems keep up they way they have, I think you’ll have to get used to saying “President Thompson.” (Psssst…..it’s TOUGH to turn a cooing dove into a mighty eagle.)
Seriously, I do appreciate the fact you fail to comment on the bad war news which is relished by the Left.
Thanks for playing…..
June 12th, 2007 at 6:37 pmPersonally I don’t believe they deal in subtleties.
The insurgents/terrorists are simply interested in killing and maiming as many others as possible.
Notice that they have for the most part given up on broadcasting their successes, at least where we can view them here in this country.
I think that as a result of 6 years of inaction by the American public, and its representatives in Congress, they have come to believe that America, and all Americans, are truly evil, and need to be attacked at every opportunity.
Comment by heyzeus
I think they deal a great deal in subleties. It is as much a propoganda war as it is a military war.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:37 pm“I have never seen anyone on either the right or left celebrate bad news in Iraq.” Comment by Chris L.
Dear ChrisL – You must be new here…..
June 12th, 2007 at 6:39 pmValiant Venus,
Liberals are spineless. But take heart, our tax bills would be at 90% if they weren’t.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pm..
June 12th, 2007 at 6:43 pmDear ChrisL – You must be new here…..
Comment by valiant venus
Hag, if you have links to any alleged celebrations, I’d be happy to read them.
Oh right…….you don’t do links, do you?
Run along…..
June 12th, 2007 at 6:44 pmI hope for more US deaths!
June 12th, 2007 at 6:46 pm–
June 12th, 2007 at 6:48 pmReally now, in the broader scheme of life, wouldn’t you all agree that it’s more important to keep the Leader of the free world from looking bad by admitting a mistake than to have a few more soldiers alive.
Come on, those young punks are a dime a dozen. And they volunteered to serve, they knew what they were in for. It’s not like they were lied to, like they signed up for National Guard and got shipped off to die for Bush’s ego.
Anyway, get past it. Go spend some of your tax break from our Dear God George Bush and go out to dinner. You deserve a break from all that bad news.
By the way, anyone know if Anna Nicole is still dead?
Fu*ck you trolls in the a$$.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:48 pmIraquee chumps need to quit strapping bombs on themselves.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:53 pmO’Reilly seems to always be ready to give an ‘unconvincing answer’.
His explanations for not covering the war is stupid.
So according to O’Reilly , ‘the terrorists are setting off bombs everyday, so CNN and MSNBC put the story on the air daily’ .
Well, if that is the case…then we can stop the war and IED’s by simply telling CNN and MSNBC reporters to go home , and that will end everything,and insurgents will stop putting bombs,and simply vanish,applying O’Reilly arguments..!!
June 12th, 2007 at 7:00 pmIsn’t that the whole point of what they are doing?
Comment by yep — June 12, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
No.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:01 pmTake another look at the chart above and see that Faux NoNooz led the way in ANSmith reporting while lagging behind the others in both the Iraq Clusterf@ck as well as the 08 Presidential campaign. That just aobut sums up what happens when Murdoch controls the entertainment channel….. it becomes an entertainment channel!!!!
Maybe they can get Katie Couric to come on to help them with the hard news.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:01 pmFUTITA
June 12th, 2007 at 7:03 pmI’d like to hear from a BO fan who also happens to be the parent of a troop killed in Iraq. I wonder how, or if, they would be able to justify BO saying explosions in Iraq don’t mean anything?
June 12th, 2007 at 7:04 pmPlease for the love of Christ People -
IGNORE JAKE THE FAKE
- he is a known liar
- he is the worse kind of troll
- please do not read his posts and donot respond to his posts.
He is only here to disrupt things – he is not some old cogger either – he is a immature 26 – 32 year old who gets his kicks doing it, or maybe getting paid to do it.
IGNORE THE TROLLS – Debate good, Trolls bad
June 12th, 2007 at 7:06 pm10101010
June 12th, 2007 at 7:15 pmFox is puff.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:15 pmI really can’t imagine the ‘insurgents’ (or terrorists, whatever) caring much about our meadia coverage or lack of it. We really can’t apply the “I’m on TV!” American mentality to such extreme violent freaks.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:17 pm‘Explosions Don’t Mean Anything’
What a despicable, goose stepping piece of sh*t.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:24 pmOf course every explosion means something, it means that lives are ending and we are the cause of this. O’Reilly is probably sexually harassing another assistant and doesn’t have the time to really give this much thought. He’s no doubt dreaming of some woman in the shower during every show while he’s talking about “explosions”. It’s all the same to him.
His blaming the violence on the media is not even worth a response.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:24 pmDear Bill,
June 12th, 2007 at 7:29 pmMaybe you don’t care about the explosions but the mother and father of the child that was killed in the explosion, does care. The families that lost their son or daughter in war, they do care. Bill, it isn’t that MSNBC wants to embarrass Bush, Bush does a great job of that on his own. MSNBC reports news, ok Billy? MSNBC doesn’t have it’s head up Bush’s ….yeah, you know. Bill is so afraid to give the news as his boss would fire him if he caused any problems for the christian white house of corruption and torture. I am sure Keith Olberman will have something to say about this in one of his special comments. i would love to hear it.
Yep. Some sacrifice.
They’re in a country INNOCENT of the charges that brought them there, and yet still they continue to bomb, and shoot, and kill (655,000+)…for what? to pacify the “insurgency”? If the reason you went there was proven patently false and yet you stay there even after the fact, then that doesn’t make them “resistance” that makes them “freedom fighters” because they are attempting to repel a hostile illegal unwarranted takeover.
Lets imagine Mexico attacked the US because they heard somewhere in California they were working on a bio-weapon that killed hispanics. So they invade, and bomb, and kill, and meet resistance. It turns out there are no bioweapons and the politicians and public were deliberately mislead from the start. Would they be warranted in staying anyway to pacify resistance? No. The only thing our troops are sacrificing is their dignity because they fight not to uphold a cause, but instead to maintain a lie. They die not to ensure America’s freedom, but the ensure the ability of corrupt politicians to weld malevolent power & unjust influence.
The troops aren’t “sacrificing” anything but rather are being sacrificed to maintain and glorify the influence of corrupt politicians and their secret personal agendas.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:33 pm#151 beljar -
Bill O shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence as Keith O.
Bill O is a crass, crude, sexist, elitist bully who is so afraid of Rupert that he stutters if anyone tries to disagree with him, so he shuts their mic off.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:34 pmAnd Fox’s audience is reflective of Bill O ……………. crass, crude, sexist, elitist, racist, bullies
June 12th, 2007 at 7:37 pmnanlichi,
I didn’t see that you were sarcastic for a minute and you had me pissed off untill I realized you were mocking the trolls. I agree with you. The trolls would rather have soldiers die than have Bush admit a mistake.
What a sad, sorry bunch of losers they are. Not worth even the disgust I feel.
I like that, FUTITA.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:54 pmDoes it matter that Bill O’Reilly’s breath smells like ass?
June 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pm“Do you care if another bomb went off in Tikrit? Does it mean anything? No! It doesn’t mean anything.”
OMG, just when I think this guy couldn’t get more disgusting, he goes and proves me wrong. I’m sorry Mr. O’Reilly, but I am quite sure that the bomb going off in Tikrit means something to the families of the people killed by that bomb. What a callous SOB this man is. If I was a religious person, I would ask God to smite him. He sure deserves smiting!
June 12th, 2007 at 7:59 pmFUTITA – So say we all!
June 12th, 2007 at 8:03 pm“US Tells Maliki to Pass Oil Law by July”.
I think it would be hysterical if the Iraqi’s pass the oil law giving the Shiites 33%, the Sunnis 33% and the Kurds 33% and the final 1% to the US and British oil corporations.
Even if the US puppets in the Iraqi Parliament are able to get the law passed stealing 70% of Iraq’s oil, it won’t last long. As soon as they can, the Iraqi’s will nationalize their oil and kick out the American and British oil companies. Many lives will be lost, but you can be sure that the Iraqi’s are not going to sit idly by and watch their oil being stolen from them.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:04 pmI have trashed my tv because it has become a GOP propaganda tool. Bill O what’s his name is a white Christian racist and a mediocre news person.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmodds on billo winning olbermann’s worst person in the world (again)? – it’s a slam dunk!!
June 12th, 2007 at 8:26 pmYou can tell characters like Jake and valiant venus are doing nothing more than trolling, and obfuscating with malicious purpose. Notice the singular lack of answering a pertinent question, and one that any good debater would bring up in such a debate.
If you cannot answer the one, simple question you were asked, how can we take you seriously? It is not a legitimate tactic in a debate, or at the least is seen as being intellectually lazy or dishonest, to ignore the question presented, and instead attack your opponent on something other than the merits of his argument.
If you cannot answer this one, simple question, you cannot be debated with in any sort of legitimate manner:
“If FOX News is upset that the news media only reports the bad news coming out of Iraq and never the good, why doesn’t FOX News tell us about all of the good news coming out of Iraq everyone else is so irresponsibly refusing to report about?”
June 12th, 2007 at 8:35 pmThey cheer when suicide bombers take out more innocent civilians….all the while wringing their hands over those same Iraqi’s(SIC). They secretly relish stories of IED’s and the wounds they inflict
Have you ever seen people celebrate bad Iraq news as GLEEFULLY as leftards??? Me neither….
Comments by vilevermin —
Exactly where have you seen leftists cheering suicide bombers, relishing stories about IEDs, and celebrating bad news from Iraq? Funny thing I’ve never done it nor have any of my progessive/liberal friends. If “they” (leftists) secretly relish such stories, how would you know about in the first place, or are you now claiming to be omniscient, All-Mighty Hypocrite VV?
June 12th, 2007 at 9:12 pmAre you off your meds, or has something gone terribly wrong in your virtual life? Your recent posts sound more and more bitter and off-kilter.
Try some nice chicken soup, with oodles of noodles. It might make you feel better.
“If you cannot answer the one, simple question you were asked, how can we take you seriously?” Comment by Moderation
Progs can’t take opposition seriously – it would derail the ideology of the aptly named progressive “useful idiots”. FYI – Fox broadcasts the good, bad, and gory news from Iraq….they just don’t act so smugly condescending as Keith O…..
June 12th, 2007 at 9:22 pm#165, I rest my case. Utterly unable to debate without deflection and obfuscation. Which is not, for your information, “opposition”.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:38 pmOh…as an addendum. How can FOX fit the good, bad and in-between when only 15% of their entire daily allotment goes to the Iraq War? They are 8% the national average. They are the ones pulling the percentage DOWN to 23%. They dedicated nearly as much to Anna Nichole Smith as Iraq, and I’d wager they’ve dedicated more to Paris Hilton than to ANS.
And “fair and balanced”, BTW, would mean that if 90% of the goings-on in Iraq involve murder, death, and the other horrors of war, and only 10% of the goings-on involve the good, humanitarian stories of people “greeting us as liberators”, that 90% of the news on Iraq should be bad, and 10% good. But people like you seem to think that “fair and balanced” means that all sides get equal airtime, not airtime equitable with their basis in reality, fact or truth.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:47 pmAre you off your meds, or has something gone terribly wrong in your virtual life? Your recent posts sound more and more bitter and off-kilter.
Try some nice chicken soup, with oodles of noodles. It might make you feel better.
Comment by Lora
She seems a little frantic, doesn’t she? Heh.
I’m thinking maybe some of Briseadh na Faire’s “ooga booga” has taken root. :-)
June 12th, 2007 at 9:52 pmModeration – I answered your question re: Fox News – that you didn’t care for the answer is of no surprise to me. Reporting the news and beating a dead horse are not the same thing. I would think you would know better. But Progs enjoy a “tit-for-tat” game…..kind of like when the Al Sharptons of the world moan and groan about the disparate numbers of “people of colour” prison inmates reflecting the racism of America.
In the same way, the dishonest “media watchers” (FAIR, People for the American Way, etc.) cite corporate ownership of media outlets and conservative “guests” as evidence that liberal media bias is a fairy tale. Talk about looking for evidence to fit the agenda…..
June 12th, 2007 at 10:11 pmAnd Fox’s audience is reflective of Bill O ……………. crass, crude, sexist, elitist, racist, bullies
Comment by upside00 — June 12, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
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Indeed. Two examples of former co-workers:
One was married and had 4 kids, and would on many days set at his desk and look at other women on the Internet…usually via the singles sites and others that showed women in bikinis.
The other was also married. Remember Lori Dhue (I think that was her name) on Fox? She had rather large lips which apparently excited the two guys I am referring to. Co-worker #2 once made the comment that he liked Lori’s lips so much that he thought about going home and punching his wife in the mouth to make her lips swell up like Lori’s.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:35 pmOnce again O’reilly proves what a buffoon he really is. It is absolutely mind boggling to see how anyone can say that explosions in Iraq don’t matter. WOW! The Republican party and their puppets keep blaming everything and anything on the so-called ‘left-wing media’ from lack of relevant coverage on ‘Fox noise’ to the disastrous mistakes made by the Bush administration. I think there will come a day when O’reilly starts blaming the left-wing media even for his completely insanity and total lack of any logic or rational…or even a brain!
June 12th, 2007 at 10:42 pmComment by valiant venus — June 12, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
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With all the “good news” stories in Iraq — “thousands” according to at least one soldier on the ground (see a previous post of mine in this thread), FoxNews.com should have one per day on their site’s home page. Yet they don’t.
Just checked (10:42 pm ET)…Nope.
Last time I followed them on a daily basis to see what good news stories they were posting, for 7 weeks between April and May 2006…49 days, there was only one good news story posted on their home page, and that was a story about the Iraqi government selecting members for the cabinet.
Tell you what…search their archives and go back 3 months and post the links to the articles that reflect good news.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:50 pmComment by WC — June 12, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
Former co-workers……whew.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:55 pm#169. It is never, ever “beating a dead horse” to report about the events surrounding an active military conflict we are involved in. NEVER! What you ask is for propagandists to rule the day. In all seriousness, you are the kind of person who would not have wanted the astoundingly moving, heartbreaking and touching stories, photos, etc that came out of Vietnam, Korea, World War II, World War I, etc, etc, etc. Such journalism is NEVER “beating a dead horse”.
On the other hand, giving celebrity news and public interest stories more airtime than an active military conflict that not only are we involved in, but WE STARTED, that is “beating a dead horse”. Cutting off important news stories highlighting the malfeasance going on in the halls of our government to cover the return to jail of a person who achieved celebrity status strictly due to the wealth her last name brings with it is “beating a dead horse”. Blaming everything this administration does on Bill Clinton’s administration, or citing every foul deed done on one side of the isle to justify the illegal and immoral actions of those on the other side of the isle, but not allowing such forms of argument to apply with parity the other way around, that is “beating a dead horse”.
As for your examples? What the hell are you talking about? The racial disparity in prison is because of racism! If it had been a brown person standing where Scooter Libby was, he’d sure as hell get longer than 30 months. If it had been a brown person driving under a suspended license for DUI, he would have had the book thrown at him! Every single day, minorities get pulled over and illegally searched, or otherwise have their rights taken away. Brown people are hands-down STILL the biggest target of voter disenfranchisement every single election. A brown person convicted of a drug charge is much more likely to go to prison than a white person (and a poor person more so than a rich or famous individual).
Finally, you can say that FOX covers it all equally until you are blue in the face. That does not make it so. Go digging through their stories, and you invariably see either coverage of the latest bombings, or U.S. soldiers dying. If there is such a discrepancy in the number of positive news being covered versus negative, FOX can easily cover a significant portion of positive news every day. Moreover, their viewers would welcome such coverage, since the 28%ers desperately WANT good news from Iraq, as do most of the other 72% of the populace. FOX would certainly have an increase in viewership if they were televising far more positive news from Iraq than any other station, because those kinds of stories would rouse the Republican base. If it is FOX’s official stance that the rest of the news industry is woefully underreporting the number of positive stories coming out of Iraq, per their motto of being “fair and balanced”, their only recourse if they wish to maintain journalistic integrity would be to counter the disparity by covering far more of the positive stories than any other network. This is not the case. Ergo, the stories simply aren’t there to report.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:10 pmrefresh
June 12th, 2007 at 11:14 pmWith Paris in jail, it is a wonder we hear anything. Paris has finally given poor Anna Nicole a rest in peace.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:22 pm- refresh
June 12th, 2007 at 11:24 pmTo valiant venus #117
The issue of the“draft†is a non sequitur, venus, dear. For O’Reilly to claim to be a “newscaster†he should keep the public update on the U.S. “occupation†in Iraq. To ignore it just because it has become inconvenient to his phony talking points contradicts his “right†to shot off his big fat mouth of how pro-war and pro-macho this two-faced and yellow-bellied dingbat is. As always, with such talking heads, our troops provide the blood while the talking heads provide the spittle
June 12th, 2007 at 11:25 pmLet’s take a look at FoxNews.com’s current list of news story from their Iraq section, shall we?
Terrorists Bomb 3 Bridges in Iraq in 3 Days
Iran: U.S. Will Regret Detention of 5 Iranians in Iraq
Britain’s Next Prime Minister Gordon Brown Visits Baghdad
Bridge Bombing Kills 3 U.S. Soldiers in Iraq
Homicide Truck Bomber Hits Iraqi Police Station in Tikrit
Suspected Al Qaeda Homicide Bomber Hits Iraqi Military
Turkey Reportedly Firing Artillery Rounds at Kurdish Rebels in Iraq
Dispatches From Iraq: Death or Glory Part II
At Least 30 Killed in Violence Across Iraq
Bush War Adviser Skeptical Over Iraq Buildup
Homicide Truck Bomber Kills 3 in Iraq
Reports: Turkish Incursion Into Northern Iraq ‘Limited in Scope’
Twin Car Bombs Kill at Least 7 in Baghdad
Report Finds Baghdad Security Plan Falling Short of Goals
Dispatches From Iraq: Death or Glory Part I
10 out of 15 stories reflect “bad” news. Out of the remaining 5, no headline reflecting “good” news.
(Hope the formatting of this is OK when it appears…I just copied and pasted from their web site.)
June 12th, 2007 at 11:43 pmFound a story in the Fox archives about their coverage of Iraq, sourced from AP. Note this excerpt:
Fox wouldn’t respond to repeated requests to make an executive available to talk about its war coverage.
Wonder what they are afraid of???
June 12th, 2007 at 11:46 pmWC – Your are an idiot.
The Falafel Headmaster spewed his rhetoric, ergo that is the news of the day to all of you aluminum foil wearing retards known as Republicans. Pravda spoke. Now you can go and dirtwheel yourselves into your stupid neoconservative whirling disease ridden cesspool of detritus that regurgitates fecal matter like O’reilley. Round and round the filth comes forth in a giant froth that will eventually drown you in your own ilk. It will be a great day when every neocon religious nutbag like yourself and O’reilley are pressed into a sludge that will be nicely sprayed onto my lawn making it a shimmering green. Chalk it up to sustainability.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:58 pmping pong
June 13th, 2007 at 12:01 amSome of you type like anybody cares. No need to get your panties in a bunch and write all doctorate level and shit. Just sweet and short and to the freaking point.
I personally never knew FOX could go as low as this. Useless explosions? Nah, the only useless thing here is FOX and its anchormen. Hope you go bankrupt.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:01 amTo valiant venus #117
The issue of the“draft†is a non sequitur, venus, dear. For O’Reilly to claim to be a “newscaster†he should keep the public update on the U.S. “occupation†in Iraq. To ignore it just because it has become inconvenient to his phony talking points contradicts his “right†to shot off his big fat mouth of how pro-war and pro-macho this two-faced and yellow-bellied dingbat is. As always, with such talking heads, our troops provide the blood while the talking heads provide the spittle
June 13th, 2007 at 12:07 amJust did a search of Fox’s archives using the keyword “Iraq.”
Checked the first 50 results which date back to 6/3/07.
Not one “good news” story headlined. However, buried deep in one story authored by reporter Clarissa Ward, entitled Reporting from Basra — One of Iraq’s More Interesting Cities, was this good news:
We went to visit a children’s hospital that is being built by the USACE in a nasty neighborhood of Basra…
Apparently the honchos at Fox didn’t deem this news good enough to headline it.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:08 amBill Orally is becoming more unhinged every day. But even mentally unbalanced people can stay on the air if they have high enough ratings. Of course, the only people taking BillO seriously these days are extreme right-wingers—that’s the Fox “News” audience; people who prefer to leave in an imaginary, fantasy world. Normal Americans, with their heads on straight, know that Fox is propaganda and that this guy is a nut case.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:15 amGB:
In the whole scheme of things, other than Hiroshima and Nagasaki, did any individual bomb during WWII mean anything substantive? Of course, for family and friends of U.S. soldiers killed, it is a tragedy. FOX and O’Reilly are not discounting that.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:18 amreeee fresh
June 13th, 2007 at 12:21 amHoppin Bobby:
If all Fox News did was report every DUI across the country, 24/7, people would soon think it was an epidemic, even if the rate was actually declining. Get it?
June 13th, 2007 at 12:23 amMr. O’Reilly’s words are being relayed to the troops. Mr. O’Reilly acts as if he has no idea who he’s slighting. He’s insulting the soldiers.
Do we understand this?
O’Reilly’s insulting the soldiers.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:27 amBombing doesn’t really support our troops the way shootings do. If the media would show more shootings then the moral of Americans would go sky high. It’s the war people don’t like to hear about. Don’t you want to honor our soldiers by not showing caskets on a plane? where is your guys patriotism?
June 13th, 2007 at 12:30 am“…I think the most important thing to the insurgents is actually killing American soldiers and those in league with them. The foreign troops are considered occupyers and they want nothing more than all of them dead. That’s the most important thing. Documenting that to the public means nothing to them.
Comment by Trever — June 12, 2007 @ 6:11 pm”
Trevor, you expose something about O’Reilly that few mention. By his comment, he shows that he knows nothing about war. He has no idea what it’s like to live in Iraq at this time. You’re likely correct in saying that the Iraqis aren’t concerned about media. They’re fighting for their lives. Literally. All sides are, in one way or another. This is the most serious mode of action that any human being can do. O’Reilly talks like it’s a video game.
And the man isn’t embarrassed.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:38 amO’Reilly, is he still on?
June 13th, 2007 at 12:38 amtest
June 13th, 2007 at 12:42 amThat was the fake “Jake” at 12:30 am.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:43 amLIL’ SHRUB: Dead American troops are “commas.”
FALAFEL BILL: Dead American troops “don’t mean anything.”
June 13th, 2007 at 12:43 amGood night.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:03 am…
June 13th, 2007 at 1:04 amAs long as BO and Fox keep making news they will never go away. Stop watching and listening to him and Fox, I have and my blood pressure went down.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:21 amO’reilley and Fox News should hang it up. America needs a beather.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:01 am#173 – Moderation clearly illustrates the reason Leftards “enjoy” their pacifist’ reputation. (Well done!!) Slogging my way through this tome was tedious….but someone had to do it. Let’s discuss a few points:
“It is never, ever “beating a dead horse†to report about the events surrounding an active military conflict we are involved in. NEVER!”
IT IS beating the proverbial horse when you have politicos (with the convenience of their 20/20) hindsight cricizing each and every military operation just concluded.
“On the other hand, giving celebrity news and public interest stories more airtime than an active military…..”
I HATE celebrity news….I am proud to say I have NEVER wasted my time watching one single “awards” show. But of course, you might have missed the FACT that during WWII, folks relied on news reels and cartoons BEFORE the movie. War stories that are “moving, heartbreaking and touching stories,” are designed to LOSE the war. Historical records of character, valor and courage are relayed to inspire winners. And since leftards hate winning wars (because someone has to lose) you just keep those warm, fuzzy war stories coming.
During Viet Nam, there was NO such thing as 24 hour news. Gee….do you think the advent of 24/7 news might have changed the face of television programming just a little?? (The ONE thing I LOVE about Progs is their inability to be confused by facts. Have you ever noticed the Lefts greatest gift is the collective ability to judge all history through their contemporary lens?)
“The racial disparity in prison is because of racism! If it had been a brown person standing where Scooter Libby was, he’d sure as hell get longer than 30 months.”
Scooter Libby was sentenced to 30 months because he is Scooter Libby. Trust me, if a “person of colour” was found to have obstructed justice due to a faulty memory at the time of a law enforcement interview, there is no way they would have received the same sentence. As almost 85% of the US prison population were raised by single mothers, I’d say the Lefts’ zeal to abolish traditional morality has failed the minority community.
When I worked JAG and the Public defenders office, I defended people of every hue. YOU would be amazed how willing to deal the DA is when non-violent first, second and third offenders are arrested and charged.
“Finally, you can say that FOX covers it all equally until you are blue in the face.”
NOWHERE do I contend FOX News or any other outlet covers every story equally. So what? I don’t like the way the BBC or PBS covers much of the news. So I watch as much as I can tolerate…….and then I magically change the channel. (That part must have been confusing for you!)
Enough of correcting your poor understanding of history, war and the media….talk about beating a dead horse.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:07 amListen to the logic of that creep O’Reilly..the insurgents are exploding bombs because they know that it will be announced on CNN and they do it only to embarrass President Bush. What does one more explosion matter? If it had happened at St. Patrick’s in N.Y., he would sit up and take notice. I wonder if the insurgents even know what CNN is let alone think it will embarrass our No. 1 Pinhead. His comic operetta appearance in Albania is a ludicrous embarrassment for us all. One would think that Caesar had arrived from the campaign in Gaul. O’Reilly is such a freak that he should be enshrined in the Jerks’ Hall of Fame. I move that one be created for him. His continued appearance on TV is shameful and I am ashamed that someone of his ilk can be called an American. He contributes daily to our diminishing reputation in the world.
June 13th, 2007 at 4:32 amThe guy really needs a stiff drink. But I like seeing the dead bodies. Just more mooslims we don’t have to worry about.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:07 amto all you ignunt neoscum biatches carrying on about faux news’ decision not to carry stories about the dire situation in iraq, all you’re doing is proving what the rest of us already know…presenting one side of the story isn’t news, it’s propoganda; the mantra of faux.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:45 ama personal message for jakie:
June 13th, 2007 at 6:52 amdressing up like “cpl. klinger” and watching every episode of m.a.s.h doesn’t make you a “korean war vet” sweetie, it makes you rudy guiliani
The mathematics of power is fascinating. People are dying from it.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:03 amGeorge Bush,Dick Cheney,Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity…the list is endless of republican politicians and talking heads who not only never served in the military but went out of their way not to! But I guess to Jake as long as they support THIS war then their cowardice is ok. Max Cleland, John Kerry served in the military and were trashed by republicans like Jake but he has no problem saluting a coward. WAY TO GO JAKE!
June 13th, 2007 at 7:36 amI was watching all the conservative republicans in our office celebrate the deaths of more american soldiers this week. I cant prove it of course but I am using the same tactic as Valient Weenus who makes a claim and offer zero proof of it. Heck if conservative republicans can do it so can I. And today these same republicans in my office are going to take an effigy of a US soldier outside, hang it up and burn it while reading their bible! I cant prove that…..but im sure its true…it has to be cuz I just typed it so how can it not be true!
June 13th, 2007 at 7:44 am“Do you care if another bomb went off in Tikrit? Does it mean anything? No! It doesn’t mean anything.”
One soldier was killed and another was wounded near Baiji, north of Saddam Hussein’s hometown of Tikrit, when their Bradley fighting vehicle hit an anti-tank mine while on patrol around 7:45 p.m.
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Central Command says the attackers used small arms and rocket-propelled grenades near the city of Tikrit. At least seven U.S. soldiers have been killed in attacks in Iraq over the past two weeks
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A US Army Black Hawk helicopter was shot down today by ground fire near Tikrit
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A funeral service is scheduled Thursday morning for Army Cpl. Andrew Kemple, who was killed Feb. 12 in Iraq. The U.S. Department of Defense said Kemple, 23, died in Tikrit when his Humvee came under small arms fire.
I think you’re wrong. I think it means something.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:24 amI love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn’t find one of ‘em, not one stinkin’ dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like… victory. Someday this war’s gonna end…
June 13th, 2007 at 8:26 amSome people say that Republicans worship the devil.
It must be true if “some people” say it.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:28 amChef: Why do all you guys sit on your helmets?
Soldier: So we don’t get our balls blown off.
I bet Bill O lost HIS balls…….ummm, which unit did he serve with in Nam???
June 13th, 2007 at 8:30 amI’ve seen horrors (the Factor???) … horrors that you’ve seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that… but you have no right to judge me. It’s impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face… and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn’t see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember… I… I… I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn’t know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized… like I was shot… like I was shot with a diamond… a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God… the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men… trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love… but they had the strength… the strength… to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral… and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling… without passion… without judgment… without judgment. Because it’s judgment that defeats us.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:31 amwho put the bomp in the bomp de bomp???
June 13th, 2007 at 8:33 amHey, man, you don’t talk to O’Reilly. You listen to him. The man’s enlarged my mind. He’s a poet-talking head in the classic sense. I mean sometimes he’ll… uh… well, you’ll say “hello” to him, right? And he’ll just walk right by you. He won’t even notice you. And suddenly he’ll grab you, and he’ll throw you in a corner, and he’ll say, “do you know that ‘if’ is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you”… I mean I’m no, I can’t… I’m a little man, I’m a little man, he’s… he’s a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas…
June 13th, 2007 at 8:34 amIs anyone else having trouble seeing new comments on the threads? Are we supposed to be patient about that too?
June 13th, 2007 at 8:42 am#213 ~ He’s out there operating without any decent restraint, totally beyond the pale of any acceptable human conduct.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:42 amBill O’Reilly is a sexual deviate, a married man who makes inappropriate telephone calls to female assistants, and he blamed the then 11-year old Shawn Hornbeck for his own kidnappinng and subsequent years of abuse, on the boy himself. O’Reilly has the credibility of a doorknob…Fox News is the appropriate venue for him to spew. The #1 issue of our time is the War in Iraq, the election of November 7, 2006 turned on that single issue, and both Houses of Congress were lost by the GOP. Bill O’Reilly, and his fellow right wing zealot television and radio personalities will march in lock step with the failed Bush regime until the bitter end. Bill O’Reilly apparently has no loved ones serving in Bush’s failed debacle, as do none of the architects of this policy. Fox News does not report on the leading issue of our time, because the White House has ordered them not to do so. The Democrats are 100% correct to avoid putting their Presidential contenders on a Fox News “debate”. The channel is simply a propaganda arm of the Bush Administration, and should be seen as such.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:45 amwhats funny is oreilly thinks the media has to do anything to embarrass the bush administration.
as germany was getting its ass kicked at the end of ww2 their media was reporting great victories. same for japan. as israel was destroying arab forces with ease at the beginning of the six day war the arab news was reporting great arab victories.
bill would have no problem fitting in.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:22 amGo placidly amid the noise and haste,
June 13th, 2007 at 9:42 amand remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
It’s amazing how a group of people (most of whom frequent this and other left wing web sites) could think that the insurgency in Iraq is not fueled by news coverage of their escapades.
It’s amazing how a group of people (most of whom frequent this and other left wing web sites) could think that the insurgency in Iraq is not fueled by news coverage of American leadership statements to the effect of:
1. How strong the insurgency is.
2. How the insurgency is winning.
3. How we are losing.
The fact is – insurgent groups wake up in the morning and read the American news. This is the measure of how well their tactics are working. The American media is their strongest ally.
It is true. If we had 24/7 news in 1945, we’d all be speaking German right now.
It’s unfortunate that this is the case. But it’s true. When presented with the ugly realities of war, the good people of the world can’t take it. The bad will win.
Go ahead and start your name calling. That’s all I ever see on this site when someone presents an opposing view.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:56 amGop lacidly amid the noise and paste,
June 13th, 2007 at 10:00 amandre member what peace there may be in silencers.
As far as possible without suspender
be on good terms with all parsons.
Speak your trout quietly and clearly;
and listen to mothers,
even the dull and O’Reilly;
they poo have their story.
Only serves as proof that on Fox, the revolution will certainly not be televised. And how ridiculous is it that he groups all the CNN and MSNBC coverage of Iraq as “bombs going off.” In fact, you never see that. You see stories about the bombs, and what it means, but not the bombs themselves.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:29 amDayadhvam: I have heard the key
June 13th, 2007 at 10:39 amTurn in the door once and turn once only
We think of the key, each in his prison
Thinking of the key, each confirms a prison
Only at nightfall, aethereal rumours
Revive for a moment a broken Coriolanus
& no we wouldn’t all be speaking German because the USSR was going to win that war regardless of whether there was a western front or not. We didn’t beat Fascism, Communism (well, totalitarianism calling itself Communism) did.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:47 amthat report is an obvious attack on Republicans , Fox news is not the Republican channel , if it was we wouldn’t have a Democrat majority in Congress since Fox kills everyone in the ratings . The fact is Fox , CNN , MSNBC , ect… are corporations and show what will bring in ratings . They killed all other stations in the ratings airing Anna Nicole over and over . But the liberals that originally posted this story saw an opening to attack O’reilly . Don’t blame Fox or O’reilly for airing what the people want to see , blame the American people for wanting to watch garbage
June 13th, 2007 at 10:54 amA couple of comments covered this, but it is a very valid point. I agree with Bill to a point. In war, there is always going to be bombs going off. Its war, thats what happens in war. If the media would put one story about the good that is going on over there for every 3 bombs they report, more people would back this conflict. We are over there building schools, power plants, hospitals! Not many americans know this because the media gives people what they want based on statistics. Most americans like to watch gut wrenching, terrible things. Its entertainment. Its what drives many modern americans to watch the news in the first place. People would rather hear about bloodshed then of a baby being born. Statistics show this, so what does the media do? they give the people what they want to see. Most don’t care about helping to rebuild a shattered nation. Unfortunatly, because of this, people are overwhelmed with the bad, over the good. The media is one of the number 1 reasons why americans no longer back this war and the president. I say, “fine Bill, talk about other topics, there’s other news out there, continue to “entertain” people with new material”. “Cover the Iraq conflict even if you want, but tell us something new about the conflict”, tell us about the schools, the hospitals, all the changed lives in that country! We don’t hear it enough”!
… wow what a ramble … thats a little longer then i expected.
June 13th, 2007 at 11:10 amThis guy is just plain despicable. Can’t he at least admit when he’s wrong?
June 13th, 2007 at 11:32 am///This guy is just plain despicable. Can’t he at least admit when he’s wrong?
Comment by Jesse ///
do you mean “Captain Obvious”????
thought so.
June 13th, 2007 at 11:57 amWhat’s sad is that many American’s are just like Billo.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:00 pmHow can an educated society even consider his viewpoint?
The Republican Party has worked very hard to “dumb down”
America as a whole. Think about it…we attacked another
country and made it worse, yet all we hear is how we must
support the troops. Our support only will continue this charade.
My son is in the military, and he told me that our continued
support is only going to get him killed.
the comments on old bill say it all. but what scares me as well is comment #32 on this page. anyone else kind of freaked out about this one?
makes me want to hide my head in the sand.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:40 pmwhoo diss???
June 13th, 2007 at 1:40 pmO’Reilly isn’t always wrong, but he is about the Iraq war not being news. Lots of people get off on being an American. It’s a large part of their sense of self which makes embarrassing George Bush somehow wrong no matter what stupid thing he does or says. If something’s wrong with George it means the system didn’t work. That’s worse than unpatriotic.
This thread contains lots of invective, and incidentally proves George Bush is not entirely insane. Hitler killed his opposition. George lets them rant in comments on progressive blogs. Either way, no one does anything to change things. I’m not sure what can be done, but discussing that would be more productive.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:56 pmWe don’t know what is happening in Iraq because it is not safe enough for any reporter to go out and find out. Can’t give us that kind of breadth to see if the surge is working? They can’t tell us what the weather is like. If the news embarrasses the administration oh well…they ought to be embarrassed. If every bomb or death were put on, 24 hours would not be enough time to report them all. By putting some of the news out there at least they are giving us the info to decide for ourselves if the war is a loser.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:30 pmSince when are Anna Nicole or Paris Hilton relevant to anyone’s life?
who diss?
June 13th, 2007 at 2:57 pmThis is yet another textbook case of the left hearing one thing, pulling it out of context, and then morphing it to a hyper extreme version of what it really was in order to have a good straw man to flail against. The problem is, this thought process very frequently results in defining yourself against something else that is not real, and ends up telling us more about you than what you’re talking about.
The story is not “Another bomb went off today.” The true journalistic news story is: “A bomb goes off almost every day in Iraq. Each one kills civilians, Iraqi soldiers and police, US soldiers, men, women and children alike. Who is funding these bombs? What is the planning infrastructure to distribute them? Why isn’t the US military doing or able to do more to stop them?”
These issues are far more complex than “a bomb went off, see how stupid Bush and the war are… do you finally admit the war was a mistake?” More supple minds are needed here.
We need to get back to principles. Bush is to blame for everything and Fox News is all-evil are not first principles.
Or in other words, firing Imus doesn’t make the world a better place.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:20 am#235 Comment by GerryM — June 14, 2007 @ 1:20 am
You inspired:
More supple minds are needed here.
OK, I’m game. You have stated your case. Now, how would you like to approach the current situation?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:40 amComment by JPV — June 11, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
HEY GUYS, CAN WE MAKE A PACT, WITH EACH OTHER, TO COMPLETELY IGNORE THE TROLLS FROM NOW ON?
Comment by Buck Fush — June 11, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
“IGNORE THE TROLLS CLUB.”
good idea, guys!!
Why not take this list you started and expand it to include the rest not listed yet, and also as Trolls change their “handle.” Then automatically (cut & paste) post it on every thread on TP about, say, every 25 posts. All of us anti troll folks can post it if we see it hasn’t been posted in a while. Especially on troll heavy threads. “Members” can add their names as they wish forswearing communication with the trolls. Repetition is the name of the game! (Put the word “Reminder” on top in bold)
What do you think folks? Shall we band together formally? If I don’t hear from anyone I will begin to post it anyway.
IGNORE THE TROLLS CLUB
Members:
Buck Fush, JPV, Merlin
Reminder
Don’t Read A Trolls Post – 
Don’t Respond To A Trolls Post
IGNORE THE TROLLS – Debate good, Trolls bad
Here are the trolls currently posting on TP.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:42 amm12, Patrick1, Jake, Valiant Venus, Pres. Clinton, MAF54, Mr. President,
I hope this doesn’t make me a troll, although troll talk can be considered off topic. Ganging up on trolls is like burning heretics. It assumes each of us individually is incapable of making up our own mind.
Take GerryM (Post 235) who criticizes the “left” for incessently asking “do you finally admit the war was a mistake?” Why not engage him (her?) Does he/she admit the war was a mistake (if not why not?)or do we get impatient arguing first principles? Is Post 235 like arguing the existence of God on a religious blog? Is there something wrong with arguing about God on a religious blog? Are we only happy preaching to or being the choir?
The latest polls say Bush’s approval rating now stands at 28%, the lowest since they’ve taken polls. Some say it’s a triumph of democracy that so many don’t like him. I see it as a failure of democracy that 28% like him and those who don’t can do nothing to change course. I don’t see the solution as agreeing to disagree or calling each other names. I see GerryM’s problem as the increasingly common problem of refusing to take responsibility for one’s actions. We went into Iraq, tore up the place, killed lots of people (the actual number is subject to debate) and get angry when Iran pushes back. That we are good and those who disagree with us are bad is not a first principle either.
June 14th, 2007 at 9:11 am“Gone” insane? Billy O’Really was diagnosed as psychotic back in 1960. But the drugs didn’t work and Ray-gun closed the institution where he was supposed to be stabled.
Those of us who are NOT brain damaged remember the body counts in the paper every day during the Viet Nam disaster. Those of us who are NOT taking the wrong drugs know that Chicken George, the wartime deserter, and his butt-buddy Cheney, the five-times-over draft dodger, ordered that the press not be allowed to see the body bags offloaded in the middle of the night, to conceal the fact that the death count of American soldiers is actually four times higher that the official numbers.
“It doesn’t matter how many Americans are killed.” Send Billy to Iraq with exactly the same equipment Halliburton supplies all the rest of our soldiers: a crap gun and the clothes on his back. Right now.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:31 am