“The Army now admits
that it secretly dumped 64 million pounds of nerve and mustard agents into the sea, along with 400,000 chemical-filled bombs, land mines and rockets and more than 500 tons of radioactive waste - either tossed overboard or packed into the holds of scuttled vessels.”
WTF?!?!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:04 pmnothing like a government that looks out for its citizenry.
WHAT THE HELL!?!?!?
June 12th, 2007 at 2:05 pmOhhhh, so THAT’S where the WMD went!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:05 pmWe just FOUND Sadaam’s WMD’s!!!
The invasion began before we got the chance to sell it to them.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:05 pmBeautiful. Another reason for nature to wipe us from Earth.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:09 pmDisgraceful…..Idiots.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:09 pmwe must invade the atlantic ocean before it’s too late
June 12th, 2007 at 2:09 pmI’ve worried that global warming would eventually kill off the fish, but if they start dying now, we’ll all know why. How could they do this? What is wrong with these people?
June 12th, 2007 at 2:10 pmWe have met the enemy and, truly, he is us. Just when you think you’ve hit bottom, somebody throws you a shovel! Stupidity is superior to the speed of light, because the speed of light has a limit!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:10 pmFish n’ Chips with a healthy green glow….YUM!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:12 pm500 tons of radioactive waste
what you trying to do poison us all slowly
June 12th, 2007 at 2:15 pmThis is sickening. Our government is trying to kill our planet.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:16 pmWow, kinda makes you wonder what is really causing the fisheries to collapse.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:16 pmThere needs to be a full investigation about this.
PUBLIC TESTIMONY!!!!
Nothing behind closed doors. This is an absolute disgrace!!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:17 pmSays they haven’t looked at the sites in 30 years.
Looks like the politicians of old are the same as the ones of this period of time.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:17 pmwe must invade the atlantic ocean before it’s too late
Comment by pgw
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That’s a good one !
June 12th, 2007 at 2:17 pmAnother argument against socialism.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:17 pmI think the best thing to do is lets have a full blown nuclear war
June 12th, 2007 at 2:18 pmJesus F*cking Christ…..
If we wipe ourselves off this planet, we will certainly deserve it.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:18 pm[Too shocked for comment]
June 12th, 2007 at 2:18 pmYet we continue to play our fiddles, albeit a sad tune.
Somehow, beyond one’s wildest dreams, we have through our greed and gluttony turned the moral high ground into a methane oozing swamp.
Congratulations.
But no matter what, do not do anything other than to rosin up your bow because you cannot make a difference and it’s all the fault of our evil government. Which is a representative government of the people so, by extension, it is the fault of our evil people.
Welcome to the fruits of our apathy.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:19 pmI bet the Pentagon neocons were kicking themselves once they realized they had just deepsixed the good stuff they could have shipped to Iraq to be ‘found’.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI guess it is cheaper than throwing them over civilians.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:20 pmits true then America must be the stupidest race on earth
June 12th, 2007 at 2:20 pmIs this real?!? My balls hurt just thinking about this..
June 12th, 2007 at 2:20 pmNothing behind closed doors. This is an absolute disgrace!!
Comment by Crump’s Brother
Tundra and squeegee will say: This wouldnt happen under private investment.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWhile Americans are worried about another attack and scared of Bin Liden looks like the White House has a plan of it’s own on how to kill Americans.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:22 pmThat’s one way to reduce the Social Security problem, just kill people.
Now Connie Rice made a big deal about Saddam possibly having Mustard gas yet never said a thing about the US having it. Bin Liden was right when he said no one would ever have to attack the US again, looks like he knew the White House plan. Our troops are dying based on lies and now the White House will kill Americans with dirty poison water. The GOP will blame Iran or Al Qaeda for the deaths and yes Americans will believe that lie too.
I hope so called rogue nations treat their wmd’s better than we!
If they think like we think no wonder we are scared!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:22 pmtee hee
June 12th, 2007 at 2:22 pm“My balls hurt just thinking about this…”
That’ll be the mustard gas.
You might want to go see your doctor.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:22 pmComment by Crump’s Brother
I work seem indictments for crimes against nature. Is this worse than Exxon-Valdez?
June 12th, 2007 at 2:23 pmBack in the Middle Ages, anyone who be-fouled pristine mountain springs or community wells was drawn & quartered for his crime. So be it.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:23 pmits true then America must be the stupidest race on earth
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 12, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Pssst America isn’t a race, it’s a country. It’s chief inhabitants besides insects are members of the human race.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:23 pmWhy do there idiots think they will survive their idiocies? They breathe the same air we do.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:26 pmThis is a MAJOR international issue.
And if I lived in one of those coastal states, I would be packing to move to California… of course we have to wonder if they’ew doing it on the West coast as well…
refresh
June 12th, 2007 at 2:27 pmTundra and squeegee will say: This wouldnt happen under private investment.
Comment by Juan C — June 12, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Nah, a military can’t be ran by private companies, sort of defeats the purpose. As far as this mess goes it looks like a join Republican/Democrat venture. So glad we were all fighting for those controls on companies in the 70’s and 80’s to improve the environment. Yup slam the companies and have the government doing this.
Good point Juan
June 12th, 2007 at 2:27 pmTundra
Psssssst, that was a joke.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:28 pmxxx
June 12th, 2007 at 2:29 pmThat they kept it secret for years tells they knew what they were doing was wrong. But whats even more incredible is that they dumped it in the areas worked by commercial fisherman and directly in the gulf stream.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:30 pmThere is little more to say here — we are the world’s worst polluters.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:30 pmI am beyond disgust, I am beyond anger — it is time for revolution.
We are all about destruction: of people of nations, of land, the air and the sea.
Someone earlier had the phrase in #9: from Pogo, “we have met the enemy and he is us.”
I’m not swimming at the Jersey Shore anymore.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:31 pmwow. Taking stupid to a whole new level. The terrorists don’t need to attack us again like 2001. With bonehead moves like this why spend the energy?
June 12th, 2007 at 2:32 pmSo the tune of choice is definitely “the evil government did it.”
Goodness gracious, how did we fall under the reign of this monstrous and immoral government who is the source of all of our troubles and the root of all of our evils?
Who are these evil people? Where did they come from? Who hired them? Who put them in charge? Who?
June 12th, 2007 at 2:33 pmOh great the Pentagon has poisoned the Atlantic ocean, and said nothing about it till now, so we have eaten contaminated seafood.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:35 pmWell, it’s bothersome, but so long as that stuff was only dumped along the Atlantic seaboard, it’s OK by me. Just don’t go messing with the west coast, that’s all I ask. And I’m sure the armed forces never would, ’cause they’re OK, and I should know. I’m a patriot, too.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:36 pmThat explains the sea level rise.
The Repubs were right, it’s not global warming! EVIL just pure EVIL people.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI bet this story won’t make the evening newscasts. The “liberal media” will be too busy covering Paris Hilton
(I hope I am wrong.)
June 12th, 2007 at 2:38 pmthats why liberals are so whack in that part of the country.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:38 pmThis has been going on since at least 1958, according to a picture on the linked article, which shows the SS William Ralston being sunk with 301,000 mustard gas bombs and 1,500 1-ton canisters of Lewsite, off the coast of San Francisco.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:39 pmYup — it’s not just the East Coast. Cali is affected too along with Hawaii and Western Florida.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:40 pmYup > The Pentagon probably dumped stuff on the West Coast too. Remember scientists have reported a huge dead area off of Northern California and Oregon, so maybe it was caused by radioative waste and chemical bombs being dumped there.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:40 pm“Just don’t go messing with the west coast, that’s all I ask.”
Too late.
“for thirty years, a 365 square mile area around the farallon islands (27 miles outside the golden gate) served as the nation’s primary nuclear waste dumping ground… this area is now the farallon islands national marine sanctuary… from 1945 to 1970, when nuclear dumping at sea was prohibited, an estimated 47,500 barrels of radioactive debris from nuclear labs such as lawrence livermore labs were dumped in the area…”
(from the article cited above)
June 12th, 2007 at 2:40 pmIn light of this revelation, I’m wondering if global warming is in fact Mother Earth coming down with a bad fever due to the ravenous parasites crawling all over her called humans!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:42 pmWhoever did this should recieve a life sentence for gross endangerment of the planet, if not the death penalty. What do other countries think of such an act? Do they all dump chemicals like phosgene in the sea??
From the article:
“Hundreds of dolphins washed ashore in Virginia and New Jersey shorelines in 1987 with burns similar to mustard gas exposure. One marine-mammal specialist suspects Army-dumped chemical weapons killed them”
Nice. Probably has an interesting effect on those who eat seafood living in such waters. Maybe a study should be done to see if unusual instances of cancer or other rare conditions can be traced to such crimes.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:42 pmPssst America isn’t a race, it’s a country. It’s chief inhabitants besides insects are members of the human race.
comment by Tundra
pssst humans aren’t a race, they’re a species, comprised of races.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:45 pm,mkmkj
June 12th, 2007 at 2:46 pmYou guys think this is news? I heard about this way back in high school.
What’s going to be interesting is when seawater finally corrodes through the containers this crap was dumped in, and the resulting release of poisons causes a massive phytoplankton die-off.
Phytoplankton accounts for about 45% of the world’s oxygen production. If a significant percentage of the world’s phytoplankton is suddenly killed off, it’s going to make the wholesale destruction of the world’s rain forests look like an overzealous gardener overpruning an apple tree.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:48 pmWhere is Jake?
How come he hasn’t showed up, to say how important it is to national security, to dump military toxins into the ocean?
June 12th, 2007 at 2:49 pmThis type of behavior is the reason the statement “the meek shall inherit the Earth” was derived, and will come to pass.
Maybe sooner than later!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:50 pmThis is insane. It’s time for revolution. Mother Nature must be extremely pissed. I’m shocked at this and I thought I couldn’t be shocked any further with this crooked government.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:51 pmF**ing Bastards have killed us all.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:51 pmOnly Libtards would but the environment ahead of national security concerns.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:51 pmSome beaches in New Jersey were covered with World War I munitions as a result of beach replenishing programs using off shore dredges.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:52 pmI wonder if other than large caliber bullets, other carcenigenic munitions were dredged too.
Just another argument against socialism.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:52 pmToo think, all those weapons could have gone to good use against the terrurists.
We have to get them over there before the get us here, lets invade and occupy the bottom of the ocean for the next 25 to 50 years.
Wait… there’s no oil? Eh, nevermind.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:52 pmPssst “America” is NOT a country.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:53 pmThe Army now admits - Who gave those sutpid bastards a boat to begin with!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:54 pm…
June 12th, 2007 at 2:55 pmJust when you thought you couldn’t do anything dumber.
June 12th, 2007 at 2:55 pmFu(k.
What about fishing? What are we eating?…Do we know?!!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:55 pmGodzilla!
June 12th, 2007 at 2:56 pmIs that why ordinates are washing up on shore on Long Beach Island, NJ? I’m serious. Surf City, NJ had to close their beach b/c old undetonated bombs from WWII were found washing up on the beach.
June 12th, 2007 at 3:04 pmMeh, no worries. I like mustard on my fish.
June 12th, 2007 at 3:11 pmYou guys think this is news? I heard about this way back in high school.
What’s going to be interesting is when seawater finally corrodes through the containers this crap was dumped in, and the resulting release of poisons causes a massive phytoplankton die-off.
Phytoplankton accounts for about 45% of the world’s oxygen production. If a significant percentage of the world’s phytoplankton is suddenly killed off, it’s going to make the wholesale destruction of the world’s rain forests look like an overzealous gardener overpruning an apple tree.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — June 12, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Maybe this is the trigger that fulfills the Mayan Prophecy of “catastrophic world changing event” that is to occur on 12/21/2012
June 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWho needs enemy combatants when we have the U.S. Army?
June 12th, 2007 at 3:17 pmCalling the army of the 12 monkeys………………….
June 12th, 2007 at 3:26 pmmnmnm
June 12th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThe enemy is US
June 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pmwith friends like these, who needs enemas
June 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pmlovely. I’ve put my children in the ocean near San Francisco. never again.
June 12th, 2007 at 3:32 pmlovely. I’ve put my children in the ocean near San Francisco. never again.
Comment by ironchef
Swimming pools are good…..
Yikes.
June 12th, 2007 at 3:34 pmI’ve caught and eaten a lot of bluefish off the Long Beach Island shore, glad I never mounted one………………
June 12th, 2007 at 3:40 pmseafood, anyone?
June 12th, 2007 at 3:47 pmrefresh
June 12th, 2007 at 3:47 pmI’m glad the taxpayers payed for all that crap just to be dumped on the environment and indirectly threaten all of us. Thats just peachy.
June 12th, 2007 at 3:52 pmThe US military also sunk one of their ships carrying nasty chemicals off the west coast. Around SF, Farallon Islands area I think. Can’t remember for sure. I thought National Geographic reported on it.
June 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmDon’t ever mount a fish. Spiny and small.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:01 pmJust go out having a damn good time….
June 12th, 2007 at 4:02 pmr e f r e s h
June 12th, 2007 at 4:23 pmWhen my family and I were taking a guided tour of Sandy Hook (an old naval base) in NJ–one of the older men in the group mentioned that old ordinance and nuclear materials had been dumped by the military right off the coast. At the time, we took that information with a grain of salt, but I guess it was true.
That must be why we have such a high cancer rate in the NY/NJ area.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:38 pmNow we know why “Oceans no longer protect us”.
June 12th, 2007 at 4:46 pmWe’re not the only ones. Y’all should hear about what the Russians have dumped in their parts of the oceans. Some nerve gases break down over time. Mustard gas remains dangerous for decades (there are fields in Flanders in which you don’t want to sit), but the nuclear stuff… well, that’ll be around for hundreds of thousands of years, long after we primates are either extinct or, with a lot of luck, evolved into a creature a lot smarter than homo sapiens sapiens.
June 12th, 2007 at 5:10 pm“the solution to pollution is dillution” mentality lives on. As a teacher of oceanography I obviously will be identified as “not highly qualified” under NCLB unless a get onboard and turn my back on what until this administration was called Science. Well better get back to teaching to the test so that “we can be sure are students is learning”. As far as I understand they have been doing it within the confined waters of the Delaware Bay as well. Maybe this has something to do with a certain chemical related family in Delaware? Better go easy on the raw oysters and softshell crabs. Freakin’ douche bags!!
June 12th, 2007 at 5:16 pm#60
June 12th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI believe the finest military minds in this country have recently identified changing global environmental conditions are in fact a major concern for national security. I’m sure you know this though and just need a little attention. I understand. It’s okay, Libtards have compassion for needy Dicktards
Only Libtards would but the environment ahead of national security concerns.
Comment by RoboTroll 2000 — June 12, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
Might want to consider the aid Limulus polyphemus has been providing the US in its’ quest for “security” Dicktard!
June 12th, 2007 at 5:45 pm#60
June 12th, 2007 at 5:45 pmIf you ruin the environment we live in there is no national security. In this case nobody did it to us we did it to ourselves. Maybe you think living in a toxic waste dump is security?
Bush didn’t do this by the way. Ocean dumping has been going on since WW1 and nuclear bombs and missiles have been dropped there by mistake. There is no way to clean it up by the way. Yes drums of mustard gas there since WW1.
Don’t worry; Washington State has 1 million gallons of high level nuclear waste that leaked from a WW2 processing plant into their drinking water. Their plan is to gather what is left and cast it into glass and then dump that into the ocean too.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:25 pmI looked for the link mentioned by #48, but couldn’t find it. A timeline would be an important matter in a scandal like this. Precisely which presidential administration(s) need to be hammered for this crime?
June 12th, 2007 at 7:09 pmjeffreydj,
It’s the link in the original post, right after “The Army now admits….”
June 12th, 2007 at 7:12 pmWe SERIOUSLY need to abort our politicians! I know late term abortion has been outlawed, but we can make an exception for this group of morons- they obviously have no brains- they can’t survive in the world on their own anyway.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:39 pmkudos to the west coast
June 12th, 2007 at 7:54 pmThe U.S. Military-Industrial complex must be eradicated. Eat your elected officials. These people will kill us all.
June 12th, 2007 at 7:57 pmand all the sane people have run out of continents to go form honest upright societies on..
June 12th, 2007 at 8:07 pmGood job morons, now lets vote for a Military reform, turn them all into environmental protection people who can go ahead and clean up their damned stinking messes!
Hey, it’s your tax dollars here, people!
June 12th, 2007 at 8:10 pmUneffingbelievable.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:12 pmI am so sick of how governments & corporations treat our environment.
The Amish seem to be the only group of folks who can manage to live on this planet without doing irretrevable harm to it. Maybe that’s the way to go.
This country faces two very serious threats. They are called Democrats and Republicans.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:15 pmUSA = Roman Empire. Both were big, both were successful, both succumbed to epic stupidity.
The US Military invented the phrase for their own logic: FUBAR.
I gave up being upset decades ago, and now I’m just disappointed that humans are still alive. I’m sure nature will run its course eventually.
I’ve told so many people that I can’t count them all what I think about nuclear war: It’d be good for the planet because it would get rid of humans. I’d never be too surprised or disappointed if it happens in my lifetime. The only real shock to me is that we’ve made it so far without having WW3.
// US Navy vet
June 12th, 2007 at 8:15 pmOrganic brown rice, organic veggies, organic legumes. Goodbye to seafood forever. Goodbye to four legged animal food. Goodbye to kelp.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:22 pmHomer Simpson 4 president…
June 12th, 2007 at 8:25 pmWhere is the source of this information????
June 12th, 2007 at 8:25 pmAT LEAST ITS NOT ON THE FCKING LAND YOU IDIOTS
June 12th, 2007 at 8:32 pmPeople will always be lazy, will always look for shortcuts, and will always abuse collectively owned property like the oceans. The problem isn’t our government in particular, it’s that we place a lot of power in the hands of a small group of people and the only realistic way we have of regulating them is by voting, hooray. Plus, you don’t even vote for the military, and you have to pay them whether they do a good job or not.
Compare this to private companies, a lot of which are feeling the market pressure to become greener and changing. Yes, corporations can suck, especially when they buy government power in order to screw people over. But the biggest corporation by far is the government, and you control it far less than you think you do with your tiny little vote — that vote really doesn’t change very much, especially since you are forced to pay taxes even if you think the government is doing a terrible job.
All I’m saying is that any private company that did this would find a lot of people boycotting it and lose a lot of money. But how many people are going to stop paying the military to punish them?
June 12th, 2007 at 8:33 pmDoes anyone know where I can find more info on this?
June 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmWe’ve found the WMDs! They’ve been dumped secretly into the sea to avoid inspectors by… oh wait… *turns finger around and points at US military*
The U.S. military has been doing this crap for a long time. There is a little neighborhood in S.C. where in the 50’s they tossed such crap wholesale out in the backwoods at the end of some dirt road… and 50 years later the neighborhood spawl went right over it. And everyone started dying and getting deathly sick from these nerve agents. They’ve been dumping this junk in the ocean a long time. Not to mention, detonating nukes in the ocean all the time with the resultant radioactive fallout. Where’s it going to go? Where ever the ocean currents take it, which is everywhere.
So you go swimming on the California Coast, or down in Florida, or on the Eastern Seaboard, or take a vacation to the Bermudas. Man, look at that beautiful white sand, and crystal blue water. Now guess what’s in that water that you don’t see. How many parts per million of various toxic or radioactive waste is in that picture pretty water, and how many molecules of nerve agent are you getting in you everytime you (or your kid) accidentally swallow a mouth full of water. How much gets absorbed into the fish you eat, who constantly live in the water, and this stuff accumulates in their cells? The ocean is big… but these are millions of pounds, not thousands.
June 12th, 2007 at 8:38 pmEarth will rid itself of us. We do not deserve a place in this complex system, we cannot function in it, we forgot how to. I only hope, for the sake of every living creature on this planet, and in its skies, that we face our well deserved extinction before it is too late!
June 12th, 2007 at 8:40 pmcan anyone site this info? all it is is a random map with no sources
? who did the military tell they did this? this might aw well be a made up story without any sources
June 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmThis story was first reported in 2005 and the dumping occured during WWI. You can find the story in 11/13/2005 issue of the Charleston Gazette or Duluth News-Tribune (11/7/2005) or Daily Press (10/30/2005)
June 12th, 2007 at 8:54 pmSoon, Godzilla will arise from the depths!
June 12th, 2007 at 8:59 pmTo Fedthefcukup, #20… I don’t think that being unaware of these goings on could be considered the same as apathy. I didn’t do this crap. BTW, I didn’t start any wars either.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:11 pmthey are inhuman, stupid. idiot ! never think of the consequences ! they caused us to consume toxic seafood ! they should be convicted !
June 12th, 2007 at 9:19 pmThis is utterly depressing.
There’s nothing else I can say.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pmAquaman is soooo pissed.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:21 pmThese are the same people that are protecting me? Who will protect me from them?
June 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pmThis is why my pet dolphin has three eyes.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pmMustard Gas??!!
June 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pmAsk yourslef HOW LONG AGO DID THIS HAPPEN????
Get over it.
WTF? WTF! WTF!??!!?!? !@#$!@#$!@#$
This is so ridiculous there are no more words.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:28 pmi hate the government
June 12th, 2007 at 9:41 pmWhy are some people acting surprised? It’s been well known that the U.S. military has been doing stuff like this for decades now.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:44 pmRemember, Saddam’s WMDs were given to him by the US government, so these WMDs must be our WMDs that were given back to the US and dumped in US waters to eliminate the evidence.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:44 pmFYI- The earliest date I can find for this “breaking news” is October 31, 2005
June 12th, 2007 at 9:52 pmExcellent report.
So that’s one of the reasons for the diminishing supply of fish in the seas around the world.
Think we need to go back in time a bit, then learn who authorized the dumpings (yes, there were several ranking officers). Those bastards should be shot in a public execution.
Reality suggests that our illustrious congress would be entirely too preoccupied with other “major” problems such as flag burning, covering up their own misdeeds, writing earmarks for the favored few, the number and size of their parking places or stalls in the restrooms, etc.
Color me disgusted.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:07 pmThe only thing more toxic than the waste the Army dumped in the ocean is the Bush Administration itself. Perhaps they should go & dump their corrupt, warmongering, collective asses in the ocean!
June 12th, 2007 at 10:17 pmNo more eating Fish for me!
June 12th, 2007 at 10:22 pmany references other than your opinion?
June 12th, 2007 at 10:30 pmWe need to remove our corrupt government before it’s too late for hunamity. Humans in general are foul dirty greedy creatures, Americans and their “leaders” are the most offensive creatures on this planet. I am ashamed of my country. We deserve whatever we have coming to us. The real shame is the children who will paying for this BS.
June 12th, 2007 at 10:53 pmOnly idiots think that their government are after their best interests. The most commonly used tactic that governments use to push their agenda and to rally support from their slaves is murder a bunch of them - including and especially children - and blame it on someone else and then just sit back and watch. The idiots will take care of the rest. In reality, it’s never us vs. them, it’s always the government vs. the people!
June 12th, 2007 at 11:05 pmI’d like to see this on some other news sites before I belive it.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:09 pmWTF?!
Why don’t people think? Gawd sometimes I wish time would stop and we could just replace the people running that damn country, honestly, they’re affecting everyone else soo negatively. Now the oceans are polluted just like that!? People REALLY need to sort out their priorities.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:21 pmMy god, everyone should stop this.
Earth is beautiful and life is more precious.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:29 pmHEY EVERYONE…WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMEN, THEN BITCH!!!!
If you did that already…CONTINUE TO BITCH!!!!
June 12th, 2007 at 11:44 pmI’ll enjoy my sushi now.
June 12th, 2007 at 11:51 pmWOW!…NOW we know WHAT the poor whales are chattering ABOUT !
Phew!..I’m so glad that I live safely in Wisconsin and only eat fish lightly poisoned with lead, mecury, PBC’s and a fine assortment of pesticides.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:18 amWow. Who made this up? Looks very real, but going to be hard to spread.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:23 amThey (Our Friendly Gov’s) are probably prepping us for an announcement that the Ocean is FUBAR. This is just a warning shot over the bow.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:36 amwhat can i say besides this country is fucked…and our leaders suck…but we all knew that already…so what do we do now?
June 13th, 2007 at 12:37 amRemember this the next time you think Government is the solution to your problems.
The list of government stunts like this is endless.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:42 amI bet it really adds to the flavor of lobsters caught in the North Atlantic. They probably just love crawling over and around those barrels.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:44 amThe only thing New about this story is that the Army has now admitted the dumping. It has been know about for years. Barges were loaded up with bombs and came back empty a few hours later. IT was never much of a secret. Nerve gass shell have been found in driveways made of dredged up clamshells which are common down the shore.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:11 amA little research and you’ll all find that half of that stuff either falls apart in water, is already in common use around you, or you get a little of it every time you eat fruits with pits. The rest will be so diluted by ocean water and the direction of the current that it won’t hurt you.
I’ve broken it down here:
http://war.studioshinnyo.com/ warforum/ viewtopic.php?p=38372#38372
Nobody panic.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:19 amMaybe I should go buy a geiger counter on ebay…
June 13th, 2007 at 1:43 amhttp://tinyurl.com/3b84ss
Now we know why they say to limit the amount of shrimp and shellfish to once a month. All those bottom-feeders are tainted with mercury and radiactive isotopes.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:58 amWAY too many comments, and not enough verifiable FACTS to go with this story. Sure it’s EXCITING to think the government is / was up to no good, but seriously. WAKE UP. What did you THINK they were up to while you were watching Real Housewives of the OC? Come on. I’m sure there’s a hell of a lot more in the oceans, the groundwater, and in the soil, etc. That you’re never even going to hear about. Adapt. That’s life. If we could change the way big government works, and the influence of dollar bills on people, it would have already happened.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:06 amAvoid scavengers. For Food.
I am disgusted with profits over people. Capitalism shows no imagination. All things must be recycled, even us.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:41 amif you run out of mustard, you know where to get your supply. For free!
June 13th, 2007 at 3:31 am…business as usual…
June 13th, 2007 at 3:57 am” It don’t just rain on one man’s house ” Bob Marley
June 13th, 2007 at 5:45 amThis makes me steaming mad. Whoever gave the order to dump all of these chemicals and radioactive materials into the ocean should be shot. Where’s the accountability? Just another case of our government running AMOK. What the F***ING HELL?
June 13th, 2007 at 6:37 amnice place to go for fishing…..
June 13th, 2007 at 6:48 amWake the f@#! up people!!!!!!!. Our Gov’t has been screwing us for generations. Its just now that we all figured it out? WTF. Get a clue. They dont give a shit about us the “little guys.” They get paid millions and dont give 2 shits about us. Doesnt matter who you write They dont listen to US!!!!!!! Look at all the mexicans that are coming into our country that can get whatever they want!!!!! If you dont know this……Pres. Bush has some family memeber who is married to a mexican and this is why he overlooks things!!!!!!!!!!
KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL FOR ITS ALL WE GOT!!!!!!!!
June 13th, 2007 at 7:04 amThis is the reason of the new attacks of sharks. This product go inside their blood and make them more assassins.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:26 amI wonder how many thousands of Al Qaeda terrorists would be needed to have the same impact, assuming that every one introduced a suitcase with nuclear and chemical weapons.
elaine, the thread isn’t about illegal immigration, thanks.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:30 amAnd America is telling Iran not to go nuclear??!!
This is an absolute disgrace.
Americans seem so inconsiderate.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:46 amRight, this is clearly a sign big government is evil. Time to shut down Social Security and Medicare and do everything in our power to fight universal health care. Save our oceans!
June 13th, 2007 at 7:58 amthis is insane, I would hope this would become huge news and I think the world should start setting up sanctions against the US for this behaviour. I mean this affects everyone, since that water isn’t dormant, it’s going to flow, evaporate and so forth and spread to other countries.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:14 amHere is a link to articles and photos of the dumping…
http://www.dailypress.com/ news/ local/ dp-chemdumping-stories,0,7934774.storygallery
Here is a link to an entire nuclear sub the US Navy lost…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Scorpion_(SSN-589)
Here is a link to US Nuclear weapon accidents and broken arrows…
http://www.cdi.org/ Issues/ NukeAccidents/ accidents.htm
Here is a link to Hanford Reservation, Washington’s little problem that started in WW2…
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2006/ 04/ 27/ 60minutes/ main1553896.shtml
This link is where I go to see exactly how massive the nuclear issue is and be sure you’re sitting down and have a lot of time to read…
http://www.davistownmuseum.org/cbm/index.html
This day you are upset by the fact that starting in WW1 our military started dumping chemicals that don’t break down in water like mustard gas.” Well they are talking about attempting to get that stuff up and at the same time intend to cast nuclear waste into glass blocks and dump those into the ocean.
Proof that we and the Earth or running out of game. Some of these wastes have 1/2 lives going to beyond 50,000 years. I will embolden this to make a point…
1,000,000 gallons of liquid nuclear waste leaked into Washington State’s drinking water from Hanford Reservation that started in WW2. Part of the cleanup effort is to cast the remaining wastes at Hanford Reservation into glass blocks and drop them into the ocean.
Does that even remotely sound like the government has a grip on this to you? The one thing I have learned is that people will have to maintain growing amounts of nuclear and chemical wastes for thousands of years to come. There have been numerous careless acts, broken arrows, intentional acts since the dawn of industrialization.
All of this real world chaos and people still can’t agree on abortion, homosexuality, illegal aliens or change the government. Honestly read the link about Hanford Reservation above. 1,000,000 gallons of high level nuclear waste leaked and made it to the drinking water. Do you know what that means? For starters it means cancer, birth defects and death on a wide scale and that is the tip of the iceberg.
They admit that all they can do is convert the remaining waste into glass blocks and dump those into the ocean. The escaped 1,000,000+/- gallons of waste can’t be cleaned or retrieved. The east coast has metric tons of debris, waste and old weapons in aging steel drums… The east coast has broken arrows, 3 mile island and sunken nuclear ships.
What doesn’t have a chemical or nuclear something or another has an oil spill. The next stop I’m afraid to say is…
June 13th, 2007 at 9:24 amwell, i guess you get what you deserve. Its so dissapointed to listen to people down here in europe, theres lots that hates american you wouldnt believe.
from people that works on garages, to lawyers or doctors.., and the worst thing is that the feeling is growin, people thinks that the media is liying continueslly..
you (americans) better do something about it, cause is up to you..
June 13th, 2007 at 9:39 amyou (americans) better do something about it, cause is up to you..
Comment by fishmouth — June 13, 2007 @ 9:39 am
You Europeans better do something about it too. WW1 was waged over oil as was WW2 and the rest. Industrialization creates dangerous waste.
France has more nuclear waste than it knows what to do with. England has reactors running that should have been decommissioned 10 years ago. Russia has Chernobyl and many other disasters hidden and apparent. Basically all you need are people and oil and combination alone is a disaster on wheels. It isn’t the USA it is everyone.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:58 amCongratulations US. You now have absolutely no grounds for ever invading another country ever again. War on terrorism? Wouldn’t that be cannibalism?
June 13th, 2007 at 10:38 amThis happened after world war 1, good job not publishing the rest of the 2 year old story. The journalistic integrity here is amazing
June 13th, 2007 at 10:47 amExcellent work, US Government.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:47 pmAlthough this was over a long period of time and some of the waste itself has decomposed into its harmless component chemicals, it’s pretty astounding what we humans will do without thinking. Even if only, say, 1% of what was dumped is still potentially harmful today (and I submit that there is even MORE waste not admitted to in addition to my made-up 1% figure being way too low), we are putting future generations in unnecessary harm’s way. Even if only one life is taken, was it worth it to be so cheap instead of disposing properly? We are essentially dumping these chemicals on our children and their children and so on. How can people be so uncaring and thoughtless? It’s absolutely astonishing. I can gaurantee you that this still goes on today and is being recorded in top secret documents that future generations will uncover. 50 years from now you’ll hear about all the crazy dumping we did in the early 21st century. It’s disgusting. It’s embarrassing! I hope someday in the future all humans will wake up and realize what a wonderful gift (the earth) we are destroying each and every day. Why are “activists” aka non-polluters the only ones who care?!
June 13th, 2007 at 1:04 pmThis is an absolute disgrace how can any government do something like this. The USA talks about fighting a war on terrorism and suggesting that they have to act as the worlds policemen, well why don’t they police their own government and fight a war on the destruction of the most valuable resource we have, the ocean. It really makes you think why the USA receives so much support from other countries.. Im sure that money and power have nothing to do with it
June 13th, 2007 at 1:08 pmAlthough this was over a long period of time and some of the waste itself has decomposed into its harmless component chemicals, it’s pretty astounding what we humans will do without thinking. Even if only, say, 1% of what was dumped is still potentially harmful today (and I submit that there is even MORE waste not admitted to in addition to my made-up 1% figure being way too low), we are putting future generations in unnecessary harm’s way. Even if only one life is taken, was it worth it to be so cheap instead of disposing properly? We are essentially dumping these chemicals on our children and their children and so on. How can people be so uncaring and thoughtless? It’s absolutely astonishing. I can gaurantee you that this still goes on today and is being recorded in top secret documents that future generations will uncover. 50 years from now you’ll hear about all the crazy dumping we did in the early 21st century. It’s disgusting. It’s embarrassing! I hope someday in the future all humans will wake up and realize what a wonderful gift (the earth) we are destroying each and every day. Why are “activists†aka non-polluters the only ones who care?!
Comment by Parrotlover77 — June 13, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
What source can you site for your claim that these chemicals do in fact decompose into harmless component chemicals and what are those harmless component chemicals? My next question is where did you obtain your percentages like “1% of what was dumped is still potentially harmful today?†My understanding is that, “Bulk MUSTARD can persist for decades in soil or water. When exposed to sea water, mustard forms a thick outer “crust” over a core of mustard which allows the mustard to be brought to the surface where it can injure unsuspecting fishermen who may snare plastic lumps of mustard gas in their nets.
MUSTARD and a number of its hydrolysis products are oxidized (air, oxygen, hypochlorite, hydrogen peroxide, nitric acid, potassium permanganate, and chromic acid) to give the less toxic sulfoxide and sulfone analogs.
MUSTARD and its hydrolysis products do not significantly degrade in sunlight and are stable at less than 49°C.â€
It is also my understanding that, “Cover with vermiculite, diatomaceous earth, clay, or fine sand and neutralized as soon as possible using large amounts of 5% sodium hypochlorite solution. Scoop up all material and place in an approved container. After sealing, decontaminate the exterior and label. All leaking containers should be packed with sorbent (e.g. vermiculite) and placed between the interior and exterior containers. Label and dispose according to regulations. Conduct general area monitoring.
If sodium hypochlorite solution is not available then use the following in order of preference: Calcium Hypochlorite and Super Tropical Bleach Slurry (STB). WARNING: Pure, undiluted Calcium Hypochlorite (HTH) will burn on contact with liquid blister agent.â€
This is just the “mustard gas†that was dumped and it will, “corrode steel at a rate of 0.0001 in. of steel per month at 65 °C.â€
I have not mentioned radioactive substances in all of this. There is no mention of other chemicals like nerve gas. I still what to know where those numbers came from.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:28 pmComment by Parrotlover77 — June 13, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
What source can you site for your claim that these chemicals do in fact decompose into harmless component chemicals and what are those harmless component chemicals? My next question is where did you obtain your percentages like “1% of what was dumped is still potentially harmful today?†My understanding is that, “Bulk MUSTARD can persist for decades in soil or water. When exposed to sea water, mustard forms a thick outer “crust” over a core of mustard which allows the mustard to be brought to the surface where it can injure unsuspecting fishermen who may snare plastic lumps of mustard gas in their nets.
MUSTARD and a number of its hydrolysis products are oxidized (air, oxygen, hypochlorite, hydrogen peroxide, nitric acid, potassium permanganate, and chromic acid) to give the less toxic sulfoxide and sulfone analogs. MUSTARD and its hydrolysis products do not significantly degrade in sunlight and are stable at less than 49°C.â€
It is also my understanding that, “Cover with vermiculite, diatomaceous earth, clay, or fine sand and neutralized as soon as possible using large amounts of 5% sodium hypochlorite solution. Scoop up all material and place in an approved container. After sealing, decontaminate the exterior and label. All leaking containers should be packed with sorbent (e.g. vermiculite) and placed between the interior and exterior containers. Label and dispose according to regulations. Conduct general area monitoring.
If sodium hypochlorite solution is not available then use the following in order of preference: Calcium Hypochlorite and Super Tropical Bleach Slurry (STB). WARNING: Pure, undiluted Calcium Hypochlorite (HTH) will burn on contact with liquid blister agent.â€
This is just the “mustard gas†that was dumped and it will, “corrode steel at a rate of 0.0001 in. of steel per month at 65 °C.â€
I have not mentioned radioactive substances in all of this. There is no mention of other chemicals like nerve gas. I still what to know where those numbers came from.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:59 pmIt’s beautiful, simply beautiful how no one gives a shit about the environment anymore.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThe stupidity of the American government has no bounds whatsoever. No wonder everyone hate you.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:14 pmThe problem with the military mind is that it is conditioned to think collateral damage is inevitable so these so called minds are numbed to performing actions that they know will kill people because the have made similiar decisions which they know will kill their own but somehow its justified for the greater good. What a steaming pile of crap. Its moments like this when I really despise the military its super cold hearted generals and the ghouls that are part of its military industrial complex. This is so emblematic (i think thats a word) of whats wrong with this country. If politicians who abused their power were put into jail our government would be be righted. If politicians and generals were put into jail for dumping poison into our lives they wouldnt do it.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:22 pmGod forgive us.
June 13th, 2007 at 3:01 pmOh that is sick.
June 13th, 2007 at 3:35 pm178. god forgive us…, well, god doesnt exist didnt you realize yet?
its only us here and we are fu**in’ everything up, i cant believe people still vote to those criminals
June 13th, 2007 at 3:48 pmfreedomrings:
June 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pmYou seem to have some expertise here. I have been reading for a year or 2 now while at my families beach home in southern Jersey that VX is being disposed in the bay. How does this differ from Mustard gas and what info do you have on its breakdown? I have no doubt that gov scientists have deemed this okay but so did we think of PCB, methyl eythl ketone, and all of the rest. No amount of studies can predict the synergistic and unintended consequences. I an no alrmist but haven’t we learned from past mistakes. I once worked as a chemist measuring heavy metal contanimation in lobsters harvested near the Portsmouth (NH, ME) shipyard. The “legal” disposal made those critters pretty toxic.
The radioactive stuff goes back to before 1962.
June 13th, 2007 at 4:38 pmLook to the Dwight David Eisenhower Administration for authorizing the deep water dumping of radioactive waste. I’d have to find an old Jane’s Fighting Ships to identify the landing ships tank (LSTs) that were modified for this task. Probably 1960-1955 time span.
June 13th, 2007 at 4:48 pmHow to impeach Bush and Cheney
June 13th, 2007 at 5:51 pmPlease take part if you agree.
You seem to have some expertise here. I have been reading for a year or 2 now while at my families beach home in southern Jersey that VX is being disposed in the bay. How does this differ from Mustard gas and what info do you have on its breakdown? I have no doubt that gov scientists have deemed this okay but so did we think of PCB, methyl eythl ketone, and all of the rest. No amount of studies can predict the synergistic and unintended consequences. I an no alrmist but haven’t we learned from past mistakes. I once worked as a chemist measuring heavy metal contanimation in lobsters harvested near the Portsmouth (NH, ME) shipyard. The “legal†disposal made those critters pretty toxic.
Comment by dbadass — June 13, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
Well in short VX is bad news! As it happens here is a process that can be used
http://www.nickelinstitute.org/ index.cfm/ ci_id/ 14231/ la_id/ 1.htm
VX is not water soluble and here is some direct data…
The best way to sum it all up is that ocean plants and animals cannot tolerate these chemicals. The EPA would measure parts per million and establish an acceptable tolerance allowed that is greater than the existing ratio. Should the level rise to be the same or greater the EPA would simply establish a new limit of acceptability. Ultimately the oceans will be too toxic to support much life if any and our work will be done.
The radioactive stuff goes back to before 1962.
Comment by jimmyl — June 13, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
May 22, 1968/At Sea, Atlantic:
The submarine USS SCORPION (SSN-589) sank May 22, 1968 in more than 10,000 feet of water about 400 miles southwest of the Azores. SCORPION is in two major sections. The forward hull section including the torpedo room and most of the operations compartment is located in a trench that was formed by the impact of the hull section with the bottom. The sail is detached. The aft hull section including the reactor compartment and engine room is located in a separate trench that was formed by the impact of the hull section with the bottom. The aft section of the engine room is inserted forward into a larger diameter hull section in a manner similar to a telescope. There were two Mark 45 ASTOR torpedoes with nuclear warheads aboard SCORPION when she was lost in 1968. The warheads were low-yield tactical nuclear weapons. The special nuclear material from the warheads has not been recovered.
Pu239 has a 24,100 year ½ life.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:34 pmThe half life of uranium is 760 million years.
So who is going to be watching this stuff decay? Should our kids do it or should their kids?
This has to be the awfuliest thing I have ever heard of.Who’s decision was this?Bush’s? I think this is a war on the U.S. from within the U.S. Somebody will have to pay for this one. Dumping that stuff, will kill off fish ,sea life,humans,Is there a mad scientist on the loose? The news media has to get onto this one.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:24 pmWhere is GreenPeace???
Please take a look at http://scienceblogs.com/ deepseanews/ 2007/ 06/ munitions_dumping_at_sea.php for more maps and different comments. Scientists or politicos gone amuck.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:30 amIt’s not fair! That is SO much worse than L.S.D.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:41 amWhile this undoubtedly sucks, it should be noted that in those locations, almost all the materials which didn’t sink to the bottom and stay there would move east towards Europe. The long long journey through the ocean would dissipate much of it to below-toxic concentrations. So while this still totally sucks, at least you don’t need to imagine that all this stuff made a bee-line for NYC or something.
Repeat: Still totally sucks.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:08 amNot the first time stuff has been dumped. Tons of stuff was dumped after the 2nd World War.
BP
June 14th, 2007 at 10:02 amIt’s a big, deep ocean. Got a safer idea on how to dispose of the kind of amounts of the dangerous stuff we’re talking about?
June 14th, 2007 at 12:39 pmIt’s a big, deep ocean. Got a safer idea on how to dispose of the kind of amounts of the dangerous stuff we’re talking about?
Comment by Greg — June 14, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
How is this blast from the past??
“Make Love Not War!”
Seriously, if we are to survive we must retrieve all of this waste and use the current disposal methods like
http://www.nickelinstitute.org/ index.cfm/ ci_id/ 14231/ la_id/ 1.htm
And cease adding to the things we have no solutions for. Those items like nuclear we are married to for thousands of years to come.
All the while we are running out of energy so maintaining nuclear waste at some point will be impossible.
We must conserve all resources and put everything into FOOD
June 14th, 2007 at 1:00 pmhttp://www.nickelinstitute.org/ index.cfm/ ci_id/ 14231/ la_id/ 1.htm
June 14th, 2007 at 1:02 pmPerhaps the Dems will leap into in-action by doing nothing as usual. Ooooh, I knowperhaps they can hold a no-confidence vote in the army.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:54 pmThis is sickening behavior on behalf of our country! How on earth do we hold our government/military accountable for this type of B.S.
I hate feeling even remotely connected to this by being an American citizen and what’s worse is that I’m not educated in how to create and end to this type of reckless behavior!
Please advise . . .
Jayne Peralta
June 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pmWhat would Ron Paul do if elected President?
Jayne Peralta
June 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pmComment by Jayne Peralta — June 14, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Dumping in the ocean began at the dawn of the industrial revolution. Over time the practice expanded. After every war the military would deep 6 everything. Today we shoot depleted uranium in Iraq by the ton. The expression