FBI Seeking To Create 6 Billion Record Database Similar To Total Information Awareness
FBI Seeking To Create 6 Billion Record Database Similar To Total Information Awareness
In the name of fighting terrorism, the FBI is seeking to create a massive new data-mining program which “bears a striking resemblance” to the Pentagon’s Total Information Awareness program:
The FBI is seeking $12 million for the [National Security Branch Analysis Center] in FY2008, which will include 90,000 square feet of office space and a total of 59 staff, including 23 contractors and five FBI agents. Documents predict the NSAC will include six billion records by FY2012. This amounts to 20 separate “records” for each man, woman and child in the United States. The “universe of subjects will expand exponentially” with the expanded role of the NSAC, the Justice Department documents assert.
Concerned about the potential for abuse, House Science and Technology Committee members Brad Miller (D-NC) and James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) requested last week that the Government Accountability Office investigate the proposal.
Citing the FBI’s “track record of improperly — even illegally — gathering personal information on Americans,” Miller and Sensenbrenner want the GAO to look into:
What information will be contained in the “records” it collects, whether the “records” of U.S. citizens will be included in its database, how this data will be employed and how the FBI plans to ensure that the data is not misused or abused in any way.
The congressmen’s concerns are justified. In 2005, the GAO found that the FBI’s Foreign Terrorist Tracking Task Force did not comply with all privacy and security laws. Earlier this year, an Inspector General’s report found that the FBI had repeatedly violated regulations while using National Security Letters to “obtain the personal records of U.S. residents or visitors.”
Furthermore, data mining has yet to be proven effective in counter-terrorism. Jeff Jonas, a world renowned data mining expert and IBM Distinguished Engineer, wrote in a recent Cato Institute study on “predictive” data mining that because it is extremely difficult to distinguish between ordinary behavior and terrorist behavior, programs similar to NSAC are likely to “flood the national security system with false positives — suspects who are truly innocent.”
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Screw You!
June 13th, 2007 at 5:08 pmAhh, the new "freedom" Isn't it great being "free" in America?
I wonder if they'll change the definition - liberty now means being watched at every single turn. I just can't wait for that flat screen TV they'll give me, so they can watch me at home too!
Who the hell needs privacy anymore? I mean, we trust our dear leaders, don't we??
What a mess this country's become.
Some follow up reading:
"Freedom in a Surveillance State"
June 13th, 2007 at 5:13 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/freedom_in_a_surveillance_state
Well, they have a lot to get ready for when the next major terrorist act happens, probably some time next summer, and the US officially becomes a dictatorship, with Dick Cheney in charge... FOR EVER.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:16 pmFirst of all, we have WAY TOO MANY policing agencies in the United States. Proof? We have more peoplein prison than the other Industrialized countries combined. They have to keep inventing more forms of bad people to justify their existences.
Secondly, this is unconstitutional. We know pacifistic people like vegans and Quakers are being targetted. Talk about a waste of resources.
Thirdly, We have to get the conservatives out of our government. They inherently believe people are bad and need to be surpervised and punished. And because they get off on punishing theses 'bad people' they make up transgressions to feed their addiction to punishing people. Appalling.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:16 pmAnother lame thread.
Lets change the subject to something cool. How about a subject all liberals can agree on?
Let's Reflect for a Moment on How Awesome America Is
According to this report from FoxNews.com, it looks like Asia is on the way to becoming one big sausage fest. Sometimes it seems like the entire world is completely screwed up except for the U.S. of A. We may have many problems of our own, but it's good to take some time to reflect on how awesome America is:
ADVANTAGES AMERICA HAS OVER ALL OTHER COUNTRIES
* We're the richest.
* We're the smartest (we have the smartest people that is; I don't give a rat ass what our average test scores are as long as we still get the cream of the crop).
* We're the freest (freedom of speech -- we invented in internet -- freedom of self-defense, economic freedom, etc.).
* Our military can easily defeat any other military out there.
* We're the most diverse.
* We respect women's rights.
* We're still serious enough a people to kill criminal who need a kill'n.
* We have the best TV shows and movies.
* Despite our wealth, we have lots of yummy cheap food (yay 99 cent menus!).
* Despite all our technological progress, we still have some of the best natural beauty in our national parks.
* We just generally kick ass.
* I live here.
What are your favorite awesome things about America?
June 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmAmericans are progressive across a wide range of controversial issues, and they're growing more progressive all the time.
This report gathers together years of public opinion data from unimpeachably nonpartisan sources to show that on issue after issue, the majority of Americans hold progressive positions. And this is true not only of specific policy proposals, but of the fundamental perspectives and approaches that Americans bring to bear on issues.
Nor is the progressive majority merely a product of the current political moment. On a broad array of issues, particularly social issues, American opinion has grown more and more progressive over the past few decades. In contrast, it is difficult to find an issue on which the public has grown steadily more conservative over the last 10, 20, or 30 years.
http://mediamatters.org/progmaj/
June 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pmMore numbers! Yay! That means Kilo will be along shortly to get them all wrong and claim he has secret evidence.
Or something.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:17 pm.
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June 13th, 2007 at 5:20 pmMore awesome things about the greatest country in human history! The USA!
THE MOAB.
The Supercarrier.
The Stealth Bomber.
Fred THompson.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pmThe FBI has a dismal record of computer projects.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pmSee
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/17/AR2006081701485.html
They never used it, it never worked, it only cost you and I $170,000,000.99 or so.
Even more great things about America.
The fact that nice, good-looking, well-educated, and cultured Chinese women come here.
Baseball and football instead of soccer (I don't care whether the Eurotrash call it "football"; it's still soccer).
Country music.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pm..
June 13th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThat's a staggering number, RUC.
Frank,
Oh puh-leez.
You must be a supporter of bacteria....
It's the only culture you have.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:28 pmStill more...
We can go to the range and spray as much lead as we can carry.
We have the best music
We have the best hiways and roads
We have the best 4th of July parades (well, my town does anyway)
We have the Grand Canyon, Yosemite Valley and Bob Dylan
We have Fred Thompson.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI know how liberals love to brag on America. Here are some more.
More microbrew beers than I could ever drink in a lifetime.
Ample parking
The fattest "poor" people on earth.
NFL football
Ted Nugent
Las Vegas!
80s thrash metal on both coasts
Legal to shoot bad guys in your house
That surprisingly delicious nacho cheese found at most convenience stores
Trans Ams, GTOs and Chevelles
June 13th, 2007 at 5:35 pmAgain, Frank,
Pay attention:
Frank,
Oh puh-leez.
You must be a supporter of bacteria….
It’s the only culture you have.
Comment by trueblue — June 13, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
June 13th, 2007 at 5:36 pmADVANTAGES AMERICA HAS OVER ALL OTHER COUNTRIES
* We’re the richest.
Anyone who would consider that an advantage has his priorities in the wrong place.
Besides, it's not even possible for it to be an advanatge among those who find money their highest priority when 75% of that wealth belongs to the top 1% who don't share it.
* We’re the smartest (we have the smartest people that is; I don’t give a rat ass what our average test scores are as long as we still get the cream of the crop).
This is bullsh!t. We're 15th. Canada is #1 in terms of most educated.
As a teacher, who has seen the statistics, I can validate that American students have a 40% drop out rate from high school. Why? Several factors. They consider it irrelevent, boring, and prison-like.
* We’re the freest (freedom of speech — we invented in internet — freedom of self-defense, economic freedom, etc.).
No we aren't. You've clearly never been anywhere else or you'd know that this is false. We have more proplr in prison that the rest of the Industrialized Nationas combined. That means we are less free than all the others...
* Our military can easily defeat any other military out there.
You wanna take on China when we can't even beat some desert dwellers with a homemade bomb? Delusional.
* We’re the most diverse.
You neocons don't consider this an advantage.
* We respect women’s rights.
Bullsh!t. We're the only indistrialized Nation WITHOUT an Equal Rights Amendment.
* We’re still serious enough a people to kill criminal who need a kill’n.
Not an Advantage. Killing someone makes you no better than the killer you claim to condemn.
* We have the best TV shows and movies.
You clearly have low standards.
* Despite our wealth, we have lots of yummy cheap food (yay 99 cent menus!).
We are the most unhealthy of teh Industrialized Nations by a considerable amount.
And all that cheap food? It's cheap for a reason (it's not good for you).
* Despite all our technological progress, we still have some of the best natural beauty in our national parks.
Not for long if you necocons continue to destroy our environment.
* We just generally kick ass.
Opinion. Not a fact.
* I live here.
Definitely NOT an advantage.
What are your favorite awesome things about America?
Comment by Frank J — June 13, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
It's mostly Progressive and people are starting to kick the neocons out.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:36 pmWe have women brainwashed by Feminism!
Death to the Traditional Family!
Drop the kids off at a daycare that doesn't care!
I'm woman hear me roar!
Hands off my career! Don't need no stinkin' man!
Remove the Father from the Family!
June 13th, 2007 at 5:36 pmAnother great thing about America....
We're not Europe.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmWe have the best 4th of July parades
Comment by Frank J
Yeah, for some strange reason, the Europeans are renowned for their shoddy 4th of July parades.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:37 pmSee I knew the lefties loved America..here are still more....
Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, Rush Limbaugh, Albert Einstein (we didn't create him, but we had him last), (of course) THE BOMB, McCarthy Commie Trials, the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Catskills and Blue Ridge, Washington DC, NY City, Las Vegas, Dallas, Austin, Orlando, Chicago, hamburgers, pizza, (real) beer, prime rib, Velveeta (well, maybe not), South Beach, South Padre Island, Cape Cod, Ann Coulter, FREE speech, FREE religion, GUNS, voting, a Representative Republic, THE BEST KICK-A** MILITARY IN THE WORLD, (the list is endless - unlike, say, France ... uhmmm, a really tall tower with lights on it and a restaurant.)
June 13th, 2007 at 5:39 pmWhy are the piss-soaked trolls so worried about this thread?
Interesting....
June 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pmWe have the best 4th of July parades
Er, the ONLY country that does 4th of July parades?
Frank J, I'm curious - ever been out of the United States? Tiajuana on a frat raid is not going to count for you, reach a little further, please.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pmYep, just like the Lieberman thread form a few days ago.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pmGeorge "the Man" Washington.
Firearms
people like y'all
Burgers. mmh burgers...
States like Montana
Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskey (hot dam that's good)
That hot girl what lives over yonder
SERPA holsters
being able to own your own land / house etc
the word "yeehaw"
500-yd lanes at the Gun range
and much much more....
June 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pmWe have women brainwashed by Feminism!
Death to the Traditional Family!
Evolve of become extinct... Ask the dinosaurs if that isn't true.
And what's wrong with abandoning patriarchal systems where men can legally rape their wives? I'm glad we've let go of systems that don't treat women as equals in relationships. because statistics show that countries that treat women equally to men have better employment, health, education and financial systems, while crime and disease are lower...
Drop the kids off at a daycare that doesn’t care!
You guys are the ones who want to pay "pink collar' careers less money. Pay women the same as you'd pay a man and you'll find this change quickly.
I’m woman hear me roar!
Hands off my career! Don’t need no stinkin’ man!
Remove the Father from the Family!
Comment by bilbo — June 13, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Sorry no woman wants to put up with you, but you can't paint all women with the same brush just because your defective DNA is repulsive to 99.99% of teh female population...
June 13th, 2007 at 5:45 pmI'm going off the grid. Prostitution will be my source of income, rats will be my food, and I will live in holes, bathe in rivers, and so on.
I'm not even joking, soon enough that will be what is left of freedom in America.
I don't care how law abiding I am (how little I have to hide), it (it being thoughts, feelings, and all the rest) is mine to hide, and mine to keep secret, or share at my discretion. It's mine. I'm greedy like that.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:45 pmGeorge Orwell was right.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:45 pmReading 1984 must be made mandatory for all who yearn to live free
OK,
The words "free" "guns" and "...military" were the words capitalized in Frank's thread.
Hmmmmmm....
June 13th, 2007 at 5:46 pmDoes anyone else see a pattern?
(I'm thinking he's from a more southernly clime.....)
Do you see these women all the time, bilbo, or just when the moon is full.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:47 pm.
I got an email forwarded from a conservative friend that listed all the things that are good with America. It seems that Frank is trying to convince himself that this is the case more than convince us.... Too bad for him he's just looking like an idiot suggesting that our 4th of July parades are better than any other country's... LOL
June 13th, 2007 at 5:48 pmJohn Wayne
Frank J - read this if you dare:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070526_memorializing_the_deadly_myth_of_john_wayne/
That is a fascinating list if that is a window into your mind, Frank...
June 13th, 2007 at 5:48 pmIt's after school time for the tiny brained trolls to come out of their holes and bother, drivel, smarm and generally crap all over the site.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:48 pmHmmmmmm….
Does anyone else see a pattern?
(I’m thinking he’s from a more southernly clime…..)
Comment by trueblue
I think Frank's from Dumbf*ckistan.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:48 pmWhat cracks me up is, the same fright-wingers gun owners who scream about big brother wanting to take their guns away, continue to vote GOP. The very same GOP which push for things like TIA.
Wake up gun owners, your enemy is NOT Rosie O'Donnel, liberals or Democrats.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:49 pmI got an email forwarded from a conservative friend that listed all the things that are good with America. It seems that Frank is trying to convince himself that this is the case more than convince us…. Too bad for him he’s just looking like an idiot suggesting that our 4th of July parades are better than any other country’s… LOL
Comment by unbelievable — June 13, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Frank J? A cut-and-paste job? I guess you can't list 'can do spirit' and 'innovative thinking' on your resume pal. ROTFL
June 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI think Frank’s from Dumbf*ckistan.
Comment by Zooey
LOL!
I concur.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pmI'm overwhelmed by the left's love of America, so here are additional reasons why America is the greatests country in human history.
Military leaders like Claire Chennault, Jimmy Doolittle, "Wild Bill" Donovan, Curtis LeMay, and David Hackworth.
"Teddy Ballgame" Williams (who was BOTH a military hero AND a sports legend).
American musicians ranging from Ray Charles and James Brown to Johnny Ramone and Rudi Protrudi
American automotive designers who came up with the '56 Chevy Nomad and the '58 Buick Roadmaster.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:52 pm#18 Hey bilbo... take the ring off.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:53 pmNot only should bilbo take the ring off, but leap into the fire with it.
June 13th, 2007 at 5:54 pmThe list doesn't end...
In-N-Out Burger's Secret Menu (Who doesn't love it animal Style?)
June 13th, 2007 at 5:55 pmDoughnuts (from anywhere)
The ability to own a home, vehicle and boat and have the space to store them all.
Freedom of Religion
Baseball (NL)
June 13th, 2007 at 5:57 pmHot Dogs (Chicago Style)
Apple Pie (w/vanilla ice cream)
Chevrolet (505hp Corvette)
This is of course to say nothing of legal machineguns, the Indy 500, 60s muscle cars, Bob Uecker, Michelle Malkin, the Wright Bros., the
P-51 Mustang, Les Paul, Jazz, steaks that look like they're made of meat, Musky fishing, Drag Racing, and of course Brett Favre.
The awesomeness of America continues.....
The 2nd Amendment -- brilliant!
The fact that (in my state, anyway) I can buy any kind of handgun I want and nobody asks why.
Freedom to criticize government officials.
A MILITARY WE CAN RESPECT RATHER THAN FEAR!!!
June 13th, 2007 at 5:59 pmFrank J? A cut-and-paste job? I guess you can’t list ‘can do spirit’ and ‘innovative thinking’ on your resume pal. ROTFL
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 13, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
LOL
The same guy who sent me the 'appreciation list' sends all kinds of snopes debunked garbage as well. I am often amazed that there are so many grown adults who are so gullible and lack reasoning skills...
The bottom line is that unless we pay attention to what the government is doing, they WILL turn into a dictatorship, at which point we will lose all the things that makes Frank and his ilk so appreciative...
June 13th, 2007 at 6:00 pmI was like Frank, the first time I had a strong beer.... and my face turned numb.... hold on, we'll have "I love you man!" before post 75...
June 13th, 2007 at 6:01 pmI have a great idea.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:01 pmInstead of creating an un-American program to spy on every single American, simply because of 9-11, why doesn't the Bush misAdministration instead create a data base/spy program on the cowardly people who use terrorism against innocent people as part of their Jihad against America?
We're not Mexico
June 13th, 2007 at 6:01 pmSo happy to see the love of the left for the greatest nation on earth.
So here are some more reasons for our greatness...
We are free
We choose what we will do each day without some prick government official telling us it's "ok"
We travel from state to state freely
We tell idiot prick Senators that they are idiot prick Senators without getting thrown into a Gulog...at least until Hillary is elected...sigh
We believe in God as a people even though the elite make fun of us over it
All volunteer military...totally awesome people
F-22 Raptor
Bill of Rights
Constitution
Abraham Lincoln
Washington
Jefferson
Reagan
We still value life over death
We aren't ruled by Islam
Our technology
Our medicine
Our great economy
Our great companies
Our great caring people
Fred Thompson
June 13th, 2007 at 6:04 pmAlright,
I've had it with Frank's crappola.
See ya on a different thread, because he's clearly dominating this one.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:05 pm#45 Frank, you are deluded aren't you. You are voting for a party (the GOP) that is slowly building secret prisons, has in place now an end-run around habeas corpus, can literally disappear anyone it wants, no trial, now rule of law, nothing... and toss them into a black hole of secret detention with no legal recourse.
We are talking American citizens, not some fictional term like "enemy combatants" picked up "on the battle field". We are talking Americans, picked up at airports, or off the street.
Enjoy your "guns" and your "freedom to criticize the Gov." now before the GOP begins to disappear anyone it views as the enemy. We are on the path towards a totalitarian state in a MTV/Anna Nicole Smith comfy pillow case.
Wake up.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI was like Frank, the first time I had a strong beer…. and my face turned numb…. hold on, we’ll have “I love you man!†before post 75…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Isn't free speech grand? Frank is free to make a total idiot of himself, and we're free to scroll on by....
June 13th, 2007 at 6:07 pmtru ~ I'm working on a javascript routine that turns the forecolor property of pasted text to the same color as the backcolor of the page.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:08 pmI'll send it to TP to use later...(just kidding, but that'd be a kick@_+)
1. BOURBON
June 13th, 2007 at 6:08 pm2. Denis Leary
"scroll on by, just scroll on by" - almost Burt Bacharach
June 13th, 2007 at 6:08 pmFrank J loves Ted Nugent.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:09 pmFrank is in love with a guy who crapped and urinated in his clothes for three weeks straight just so he would get 4-F'ed and not have to go fight for his country in Vietnam. Then he went and bragged about, back when he thought it was cool to be a draft dodger.
And don't forget we are awesome because of...
Jimmy Buffett
June 13th, 2007 at 6:09 pmCable TV
Sopranos
The Godfather
Liberty and we really don't believe that liberal bullshit you see on TV.
So here are some more reasons for our greatness…
Fred Thompson
Dude, the 'Hunt for Red October' was only a movie.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:10 pm*WE ARE THE ONLY NATION TO ACTUALLY DEPLOY NUCLEAR WEAPONS AGAINST AN ENEMY.
...And we'll do it again when required.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:10 pmAnd of course these reasons we are great as well!!
To quote someone else (can't remember who): "We go on military manuevers for fun and build spaceships for a hobby."
When the 2006 tsunami devasted Banda Aceh, even the worst of the Islamist extremists there said that "when the Americans arrived, we knew everything would be all right."
Even our "poor" wear gold on their fingers and eat out.
Nobody's trying to kill me because of my gender or religion (JOOOO!!!).
June 13th, 2007 at 6:11 pmI know that liberals love America and can list some also....crickets.........
June 13th, 2007 at 6:13 pmThat information awareness logo still creeps me out.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:14 pmI know that liberals love America and can list some also….crickets………
Comment by Frank J
No need to duplicate your list, Frank.
Thanks, bye.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:15 pmI thought they had already done this with "Real ID". I wonder how the government can just start doing something that invasive or our privacy without having to consult with Congress. It's time Congress got off their assess and started protecting our right to privacy.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI think I'll start talking to all the Republicans I know about these nice new programs.
Hell, we won't even pass a decent seatbelt law in order to get federal funds, but I'm sure all these free and independent thinkers will LOVE the idea of not one, but TWO information databases -- that we're aware of.
Just might turn this state blue!
June 13th, 2007 at 6:19 pmThis sounds Okay, right guys.
It's kinda like an electronic rolodex for the whole Nation.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:20 pmI wonder how much KKKarl Rove pays Frank to act like such a plagerizing idiot?
June 13th, 2007 at 6:21 pm"I’m woman hear me roar!
Hands off my career! Don’t need no stinkin’ man!
Remove the Father from the Family!
Comment by bilbo "
What's the matter bilbo, feeling a little emasculated these days? How about you stay home and take care of the kids and then try to enter the job market in your 50's when your wife leaves you for some young hunk. And then there's the social security you won't get because you didn't work all those years.
Until you walk in a woman's shoes, you have no right to criticize us. I'm willing to bet that some woman walked out on you and made you a bitter, resentful Republic troll.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:22 pmIt’s kinda like an electronic rolodex for the whole Nation.
Comment by Mr. President — June 13, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Next they will implant a monitoring chip in your head, and well, I know how you Christianists fear that mark of the beast!! You should oppose this...
June 13th, 2007 at 6:24 pmNext they will implant a monitoring chip in your head, and well, I know how you Christianists fear that mark of the beast!! You should oppose this…
Comment by unbelievable — June 13, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Why would they want to go and do somethin' like that?
June 13th, 2007 at 6:27 pmun ~ The latest implant goes directly in the middle of the forehead.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:30 pmIt looks kinda like the number six three times in a row.
I'm sure the Xian trolls will like it very much.
Until you walk in a woman’s shoes, you have no right to criticize us. I’m willing to bet that some woman walked out on you and made you a bitter, resentful Republic troll.
Comment by Katie
Nail on head, Katie.
Will these whiny idiots ever figure out that bilbo's type of post only make THEM look bad -- not women? Sheesh.....
June 13th, 2007 at 6:30 pmWhy would they want to go and do somethin’ like that?
Comment by Mr. President — June 13, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
Same reason they want to monitor your phone calls.
Come on, it's basic math...
June 13th, 2007 at 6:31 pmComment by unbelievable — June 13, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
What, they want to know were I score my pot?
June 13th, 2007 at 6:33 pmI’m sure the Xian trolls will like it very much.
Comment by RUCerious — June 13, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Yep, 666... LOL
June 13th, 2007 at 6:35 pmErratum: post #73) Should read -
"What, they want to know where I score my pot?"
June 13th, 2007 at 6:39 pmWhat, they want to know were I score my pot?
Comment by Mr. President — June 13, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
You admit to breaking the law? Hmmm.... So much for you law-abiding conservatives.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:41 pmA year ago when this short video came out - you might have thought this was nuts.
But after everything you have seen in the last year - what do you think now?
Please check out this short video clip
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6739227220487922409
If I have your attention now, then please check this out too:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602704786128880796
It's all out there - search and learn for yourself.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:46 pmYou admit to breaking the law? Hmmm…. So much for you law-abiding conservatives.
Comment by unbelievable — June 13, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Well that would be a contradiction, but I don't smoke pot any more (as the feds should know if they really have been tapping my lines) and...
I'm NOT A CONSERVATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
June 13th, 2007 at 6:49 pmThis just in from Captain Obvious:
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, Mr President, chances are.... well you know the rest... it's er..... obvious.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:00 pm"I, Kap'n Oblivious, am a dickeater!!!!!!!
June 13th, 2007 at 7:08 pmCan't you smell the dick on my breath?!?!?!?!"
Comment by Kap'n Oblivious
Your computer is already spying on you in many ways.....that snazzy new Windows "Vista"....now think about just who is enjoying that nice "view from afar"?
Your cellphone is spying on and locating you.
Indeed, many of the things you buy now are ready to "rat you out" if necessary, as they come chipped with RFID.....and you thought it was just to help that poor dumb cashier?
Please read this very interesting and prophetic article, and then google "RFID" for yourself to learn more:
"A Generation is All They Need"
http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/rfid_a_generation_is_all_they_need.htm
Then I ask you to please check out this video. Afterwards, everything in the world today that seems insane might suddenly seem to all make perfect sense in the bigger picture.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947
Please share all this information.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:11 pmTurn off the TeeVee.
Forget the phony DEM vs GOP debate - it is a pro wrestling style performance being staged to keep you too distracted and divided to come together to face your real enemies - the criminals that have stolen our country.
The DEMS are not going to "save you" if you haven't figured that out by now.
Divide and conquer - a time tested technique that is working in Iraq while "we" prepare to steal their Oil for the next 30 years....and it worked right here in the US too....while we were too busy fighting amongst ourselves - our Constitution was stolen from us.
(late to the thread)
yeah, all their data mining didn't catch the Pizza delivery bomber!
June 13th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThis just in from Captain Obvious:
Great comeback Mr President, how long did that take you?
June 13th, 2007 at 7:19 pmWe have women brainwashed by Feminism!
Death to the Traditional Family!
Drop the kids off at a daycare that doesn’t care!
I’m woman hear me roar!
Hands off my career! Don’t need no stinkin’ man!
Remove the Father from the Family!
Comment by bilbo — June 13, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
Bilbo: Man it seems the loss of that ring has really messed up your head and led to some weird female hatred. I'll admit losing my ring hurt too but I still like the ladies and that freakin' ringwraith who chose to take it away.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:19 pmGreat comeback Mr President, how long did that take you?
Comment by Captain Obvious — June 13, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Thanx!
Not too, long... maybe, 5... 10 seconds.
I could have done better, but, hey, I'm satisfied.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:22 pmFrank J:
June 13th, 2007 at 7:26 pmPlease stick around and return to TP as often as you can. I visit here for two reason only. The first is to expand my mind with the well thought and stated ideas of those more intelligent than I. The second is to "rubberneck" the train wreck of thoughts of those which do not meet the criteria of my first reason.
This just in from Captain Obvious:
I could have done better, but, hey, I’m satisfied.
Comment by Mr. President — June 13, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
Your standards are obviously very low.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:30 pmYour standards are obviously very low.
Comment by Captain Obvious — June 13, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Hey, I'm conversing with you aren't I...
HEYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
June 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pm7:47 pm and no Frank J. posts.
Must be working at the convenience store.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:32 pmWell, only if we can ALL look.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:35 pmWell duh....
Did you REALLY think "Admiral" Poindexter was just going to close up his little shop and go away?
June 13th, 2007 at 9:13 pmhe scurries back under the floorboards, just like back in the 70's........
June 13th, 2007 at 9:16 pmWhen a government fears its own citizenry, then it is near to collapse.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:42 pma massive new data-mining program which “bears a striking resemblance†to ...
@}--->--- a rose by any other name...
'cept this stinks...
June 13th, 2007 at 9:50 pmand it's still all about total information awareness...
...
I think Frank’s from Dumbf*ckistan.
Comment by Zooey
LOL!
I concur.
Comment by trueblue
Oh you two! Why so mean to the Dumbf*ckistanis?
June 13th, 2007 at 10:46 pmAs a veteran of the first gulf war, let me personally address Frank J.
You are a worthless little pansy whose opinion doesn't matter. If you so strongly support the Bush regime's "war on terror" in Iraq, than sign the f*ck up. If not, then shut the f*ck up!!!
Your list of things that make America great would be cool if you weren't being sarcastic, you little piece if garbage.
Here are a few things that top my list:
1. Watching Frank J. get water-boarded to confess his status as a traitor
2. Watching W. get hanged for his war crimes and crimes against humanity.
3. Seeing Rove go to prison for his crimes.
I know this in unheard-of, but here is my address: 4800 102nd Trail, Brooklyn Park, MN, in case you actually have a pair of balls and want to pay me a visit, Frank, J., you little piece of waste!!!
The Vet!
June 13th, 2007 at 10:52 pmUntil you walk in a woman’s shoes, you have no right to criticize us. I’m willing to bet that some woman walked out on you and made you a bitter, resentful Republic troll.
Comment by Katie
Well Katie, as much as I hate to disagree with you. I believe "bilbo" is walking in a woman's shoes and they're a couple of sizes too small. Probably the lucky woman who raced out of her relationship with the loser so fast that she left her clothes with him. You know how ornery having sore feet from highheeled pumps can make a girl, ooops, person.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:56 pm"hey, I’m satisfied."
Comment by Mr. President
What are three little words Mr. President has never heard a woman utter?
June 13th, 2007 at 11:09 pmOh you two! Why so mean to the Dumbf*ckistanis?
Comment by shane
Oy, no offense meant to the good people of Dumbf*ckistan.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:11 amI wasn't thinking.....
100!!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:11 amStill gonna be less data than the credit reporting agencies have on you already...
June 14th, 2007 at 12:19 amWell, that's another principle that we can cancel from the conservative philosophy - privacy rights. We'll add that to the list of other principals they've abandoned-
* fiscal restraint and balanced budgets
* nation building
* pre-emptive wars against countries that pose no problems to us
* honesty
I guess that leaves tax-cuts and school prayer as the cornerstone of their conservative beliefs.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:43 amComment by JPV — June 11, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
HEY GUYS, CAN WE MAKE A PACT, WITH EACH OTHER, TO COMPLETELY IGNORE THE TROLLS FROM NOW ON?
Comment by Buck Fush — June 11, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
"IGNORE THE TROLLS CLUB."
good idea, guys!!
Why not take this list you started and expand it to include the rest not listed yet, and also as Trolls change their "handle." Then automatically (cut & paste) post it on every thread on TP about, say, every 25 posts. All of us anti troll folks can post it if we see it hasn't been posted in a while. Especially on troll heavy threads. "Members" can add their names as they wish forswearing communication with the trolls. Repetition is the name of the game! (Put the word "Reminder" on top in bold)
What do you think folks? Shall we band together formally? If I don't hear from anyone I will begin to post it anyway.
IGNORE THE TROLLS CLUB
Members:
Buck Fush, JPV, Merlin
Reminder
Don’t Read A Trolls Post
Don’t Respond To A Trolls Post
IGNORE THE TROLLS - Debate good, Trolls bad
Here are the trolls currently posting on TP.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:31 amm12, Patrick1, Jake, Valiant Venus, Pres. Clinton, MAF54, Mr. President,
Furthermore, data mining has yet to be proven effective in counter-terrorism. Jeff Jonas, a world renowned data mining expert and IBM Distinguished Engineer, wrote in a recent Cato Institute study on “predictive†data mining that because it is extremely difficult to distinguish between ordinary behavior and terrorist behavior, programs similar to NSAC are likely to “flood the national security system with false positives — suspects who are truly innocent.â€
And all he managed to do was expose the fact that he doesn't understand how data mining is used.
You could make the same arguement, and look just as clued in, for DMV registrations being useless in law enforcement and that nobody could catch a rapist if they tried to predict who would rape somebody based on their licence plates.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:55 amIn the name of fighting terrorism, the FBI is seeking to create a massive new data-mining program which “bears a striking resemblance†to the Pentagon’s Total Information Awareness program:
It would bear less of a resemblance to the former TIA program than the current TIA program does.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:59 amThis program was deemed illegal by Congress, but it never went away...just changed its name.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:50 amWell that would be a contradiction, but I don’t smoke pot any more (as the feds should know if they really have been tapping my lines) and…
You said 'score' your pot. That means present tense. Don't try to back-peddle now. LOL
I’m NOT A CONSERVATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — June 13, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Fine, neocon. Whatever.
June 14th, 2007 at 9:18 amWhere are all the rightwing 2nd ammendment defenders? Here you have the uberfeared totalitarian government, where are the citizens forming batalions to fight totalitarianism? Or was simply an excuse to buy hand guns for other less noble purposes?
June 14th, 2007 at 10:22 amWTF?!
June 14th, 2007 at 10:43 am…And we’ll do it again when required.
Comment by Frank J — June 13, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
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Required by who you stupid dolt, the neocons? Joe Lieberman? AIPAC? Who you fool?
June 14th, 2007 at 12:14 pmNot with my tax dollars you don't! Taxation without representation! Time to nip this next abusive program to spy on americans in the bud!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pmCongress needs to flaunt the NSA abuses in their faces right now! And then invoke the memory of the Second Amendment....
June 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pmThis from another poster:
"Turn off the TeeVee"
Yes, yes, turn off the tv, or just take it to a recycling center. I have been tv free for a year so I will never be infected by the likes of Bill whats his name and his phony news channel.
June 14th, 2007 at 8:56 pmYes. And we see that once again it is the "or something" option.
June 15th, 2007 at 9:54 pmThat vast range of discussions, issues and topics you have no knowledge of and cannot understand even with 8 explanations and access to the sources material.