Think Progress

New Bush counselor has extensive lobbying ties.

“The line between lobbying the federal government and running it just got blurrier.” New Bush counselor Ed Gillespie “will enter the White House with recent lobbying ties to dozens of companies seeking the federal government’s help on everything from proposed acquisitions to patent disputes.”

Gillespie…is a partner in Quinn Gillespie & Associates LLC, a lobbying firm whose clients include: Sirius Satellite Radio (SIRI), which needs antitrust approval to acquire a rival; Qualcomm (QCOM), which wants Bush to veto a federal agency’s ban on imported cell phones made with its chips; and the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a trade group trying to limit drug industry regulation. [...]

Despite the potential for conflicts of interest, Gillespie won’t be forced in his new role to recuse himself from all matters related to the companies he has lobbied for, said Ken Gross, a Washington-based attorney and former associate general counsel with the Federal Election Commission.

Instead, Gillespie will have to decide on a case-by-case basis if his activities could violate federal ethics standards.

UPDATE: Gillespie had a tough time explaining himself to reporters today:

What he hoped would be an informal chat with a few journalists on hand quickly became an initiation into life as an official part of the White House — and in this case, an unpopular one. …

“It’s going to be fun. I can’t wait. It’s exciting,” he assured everyone, including, it almost seemed, himself. [...]

Suddenly, a digital recorder appeared. The jocularity evaporated, and Gillespie immediately found himself trying not to say who his lobbying clients were.

“We have about 45 clients at the firm, and 29 people there, and I work on all kinds … it’s hard to say …” he said, before finally admitting to having some telecommunications and financial service companies in the firm’s docket.

“I wasn’t actually here to do an interview — I just wanted to say hi,” he pleaded. And so, back to generalities.



120 Responses to “New Bush counselor has extensive lobbying ties.”

  1. Jay Randal says:

    Gillespie is a Bush butt kisser and a lobbyist whore as well.


  2. Jane E. Schneider says:

    “Gillespie will have to decide on a case-by-case basis if his activities could violate federal ethics standards.”

    Yeah, I can see that happening.


  3. Mr. President says:

    Yeah, I can see that happening.

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 13, 2007 @ 11:00 pm

    What?

    Give the guy a chance.

    Don’t you see that when you base your character judgments on whether or not the man has Bush’s endorsement, that you are nonetheless being controlled by Bush.


  4. Zooey says:

    “Gillespie will have to decide on a case-by-case basis if his activities could violate federal ethics standards.”

    Yeah, I can see that happening.

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    Right, cuz these people do such a good job policing themselves.
    *eyes rolling*


  5. Zooey says:

    Don’t you see that when you base your character judgments on whether or not the man has Bush’s endorsement, that you are nonetheless being controlled by Bush.
    Comment by Mr. President

    You don’t care — remember?


  6. big papa says:

    …and your point is?


  7. draftedin68 says:

    .

    Well, it makes perfect sense to bring Gillespie back on board Duhhbya’s team – he knows exactly which papers to shred.

    .


  8. shane says:

    Yeah, I can see that happening.

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider

    Right, cuz these people do such a good job policing themselves.
    *eyes rolling*

    Comment by Zooey

    Whatever happened to the good old days when Presidents wouldn’t appoint somebody who appeared to have a conflict?


  9. Mr. President says:

    You don’t care — remember?

    Comment by Zooey — June 13, 2007 @ 11:08 pm

    I don’t care about Dems and Reps and all that nonsense.

    But I do care about m’ peeps (you guys, that is, not the politicians), and I don’t think that it is healthy for any of us to go assuming things (that’s just not logical).


  10. Zooey says:

    But I do care about m’ peeps (you guys, that is, not the politicians), and I don’t think that it is healthy for any of us to go assuming things (that’s just not logical).
    Comment by Mr. President

    That’s nice, Mr P, we’re your peeps. Heh.

    Anyhoo, you really can’t decide for someone else what is healthy or not. It’s up to us. I’m sure if we discover some assumption has been unhealthy for us, we tell you right away.

    Jane’s assumption seems pretty safe, but if I’m wrong, I’ll apologize.


  11. Zooey says:

    TP,

    Subscription required for your update link. Geez….


  12. Mr. President says:

    Jane’s assumption seems pretty safe, but if I’m wrong, I’ll apologize.

    Comment by Zooey — June 13, 2007 @ 11:17 pm

    Oh, no need to apologize, Zooey.
    Both of us were just lookin’ out for each other.

    I pointed out that Jane’s comment might reflect a subconscious presupposition, and you merely informed me that her presupposition may, in fact, be correct anyway.

    But that was not my point.

    Regardless, *if* Jane’s comment was the product of a prejudice (even a subconscious prejudice) then it is still an unhealthy attitude.


  13. JPV says:

    Same old, same old.


  14. Zooey says:

    Mr P,

    Shhhhhh…….

    Thanks.


  15. shane says:

    Mr P,

    Shhhhhh…….

    Thanks.

    Comment by Zooey

    Zooey, can’t you put him to bed earlier so he doesn’t get so hyperactive.


  16. kasinca says:

    Gillespie is one of the Tom DeLay/Jack Abramoff/Bob Ney thugs…look closely and you will see his picture and if you click his picture it will indicate his ties.

    http://www.dccc.org/gopauctionhouse/main.html


  17. Zooey says:

    Zooey, can’t you put him to bed earlier so he doesn’t get so hyperactive.
    Comment by shane

    My bad….


  18. Mr. President says:

    Mr P,

    Shhhhhh…….

    Thanks.

    Comment by Zooey — June 13, 2007 @ 11:28 pm

    What?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!1

    All I’m saying is that we shouldn’t judge this guy before he has had a chance to prove himself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11


  19. Vance says:

    I see Nihilism becoming valid quite rapidly.


  20. Mr. President says:

    Yes Zooey, won’t you please come and put me to bed?


  21. Zooey says:

    All I’m saying is that we shouldn’t judge this guy before he has had a chance to prove himself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

    Comment by Mr. President

    He’s proven himself already. See #16.


  22. Tundra says:

    Anyhoo, you really can’t decide for someone else what is healthy or not. It’s up to us

    Like seatbelt laws ZING!!!!!!!

    Got it in, Whoooot


  23. Zooey says:

    Yes Zooey, won’t you please come and put me to bed?
    Comment by Mr. President

    Come here, Mr P, I’ll rock you to sleep…….with this great big rock. :D


  24. Tundra says:

    Yes Zooey, won’t you please come and put me to bed?

    Or vice versa


  25. Tom3 says:

    “Gillespie will have to decide on a case-by-case basis if his activities could violate federal ethics standards.”

    LOL!! Funniest thing I’ve heard all day!


  26. Mr. President says:

    He’s proven himself already. See #16.

    Comment by Zooey — June 13, 2007 @ 11:39 pm

    That wasn’t coming up a minute ago, let me check it out.


  27. Tom3 says:

    LOL!! That’s a good one.

    As if this scumbag lobbyist can police himself.

    LOL! That one just doesn’t get old!!


  28. BlueArkansas says:

    People who fear public scrutiny should not hold public office. Period.


  29. Tom3 says:

    That’s like expecting Jack Abramff to keep himself honest! LOL!!


  30. Mr. President says:

    Gillespie is one of the Tom DeLay/Jack Abramoff/Bob Ney thugs…look closely and you will see his picture and if you click his picture it will indicate his ties.

    http://www.dccc.org/gopauctionhouse/main.html

    Comment by kasinca — June 13, 2007 @ 11:35 pm

    Dude’s picture is not there.


  31. Zooey says:

    Or vice versa
    Comment by Tundra

    Hey! They have to be older than my kids — that’s the rule!


  32. Zooey says:

    Dude’s picture is not there.
    Comment by Mr. President

    It’s there. It’s not labeled with his name, it’s labeled “Republican National Committee.”


  33. Mr. President says:

    Come here, Mr P, I’ll rock you to sleep…….with this great big rock. :D

    Comment by Zooey — June 13, 2007 @ 11:40 pm

    I’m not into all that kinky stuff.


  34. kasinca says:

    If there is (R) after their name, they are thugs and should be in prison…they have ties with the crime family.

    http://www.dccc.org/gopauctionhouse/main.html


  35. Tom3 says:

    “Gillespie will have to decide on a case-by-case basis if his activities could violate federal ethics standards.”

    LOL!! I can’t stop laughing!

    Did that guy actually say this wit out cracking up?

    How could he keep a straight face?!? LOL!!


  36. Zooey says:

    I’m not into all that kinky stuff.
    Comment by Mr. President

    It wouldn’t be for long. It’s a nice big rock, with jagged edges….


  37. Mr. President says:

    Comment by kasinca — June 13, 2007 @ 11:50 pm

    The man is a lobbyist, just because he lobbys for causes that you don’t care for, does not mean that he should go to prison.


  38. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Mr. Pee, in addition to the fact that Gillespie has been a lobbyist connected to the Duke Cunningham scandal, he was also the head of the RNC. Sorry if you think I’m being presumptuous, but I don’t trust anyone whose job description includes lying, smearing, etc. I’ve heard him lie enough times to form an opinion, cynical though that opinion may be.


  39. Mr. President says:

    It wouldn’t be for long. It’s a nice big rock, with jagged edges….

    Comment by Zooey — June 13, 2007 @ 11:52 pm

    Well… I’ll try anything once (no homo), I guess…


  40. kasinca says:

    #37. If you support the crime family, you belong in prison, asswipe.


  41. Mr. President says:

    I’ve heard him lie enough times to form an opinion, cynical though that opinion may be.

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 13, 2007 @ 11:53 pm

    I hope that the cynicism doesn’t have negative effects on the rest of your life Jane.


  42. Mr. President says:

    #37. If you support the crime family, you belong in prison, asswipe.

    Comment by kasinca — June 13, 2007 @ 11:54 pm

    No need to be rude.


  43. Zooey says:

    I hope that the cynicism doesn’t have negative effects on the rest of your life Jane.
    Comment by Mr. President

    Jesus, you’re making me puke….


  44. Mr. President says:

    Jesus, you’re making me puke….

    Comment by Zooey — June 13, 2007 @ 11:56 pm

    I’m not into that…


  45. kasinca says:

    #42. Tee it up. It is time to be rude to the thugs in the reichwing. You freaks have had your day and now it is time to pay. No more screwing with my country and our constitution, wacko.


  46. Mr. President says:

    Erratum: post #44) should read -

    “I’m not in ta that…”


  47. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Thank you for your concern for my welfare, Mr. Pee, but it is misplaced. Most of the time I trust people until they give me reason not to, thus my “healthy” mistrust of politicians in general – and that does include Democrats, too.


  48. Marie says:

    Gillespie will decide for himself whether something violates ethics?
    OMG
    Give me a break.

    Nothing seems inappropriate or unseemly to Bush&Co. They have no ethics. No integrity. They have a common goal of enriching themselves and their cronies. Period.


  49. Mr. President says:

    Comment by kasinca — June 13, 2007 @ 11:58 pm

    I don’t think I like your tone.


  50. Mr. President says:

    Nothing seems inappropriate or unseemly to Bush&Co. They have no ethics. No integrity. They have a common goal of enriching themselves and their cronies. Period.

    Comment by Marie — June 13, 2007 @ 11:59 pm

    Excuse me.

    The RNC has a strict code of efficks.


  51. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Did you actually expect anything different from these guys?


  52. kasinca says:

    #49. I never have liked your shit ass tone. Go screw yourself, alfie.


  53. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Jane’s assumption seems pretty safe, but if I’m wrong, I’ll apologize.

    Comment by Zooey — June 13, 2007 @ 11:17 pm

    Betcha 10 to 1 that you won’t have to apologize.


  54. Mr. President says:

    #49. I never have liked your shit ass tone. Go screw yourself, alfie.

    Comment by kasinca — June 14, 2007 @ 12:02 am

    Well, now you’re just acting childish.


  55. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Zooey, can’t you put him to bed earlier so he doesn’t get so hyperactive.

    Comment by shane

    Too much sugar, Zooey…


  56. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Come here, Mr P, I’ll rock you to sleep…….with this great big rock. :D

    Comment by Zooey

    Psst, Zooey, tell him he’s won a door prize…


  57. Tundra says:

    my “healthy” mistrust of politicians in general – and that does include Democrats, too.

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 13, 2007 @ 11:58 pm

    Whooot Jane!!!!!!

    I think I am in love. hey wanna see a neat statistic (Granted it’s kinda bogus but hey fun to look at)

    http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

    If you do the quiz you will see that Libertarians and centrists make up over 60%


  58. kasinca says:

    #54- Typical thug supporting asswipe. Accuse others of your own actions. Take a psychology course, shit for brains. You do nothing but show your ass on this board. You are a 28% moron, a knuckle dragging troglodyte, too ignorant to see outside your shell. Go to hell


  59. Tundra says:

    a knuckle dragging troglodyte

    I must inform you that that term is reserved expressly for us members of the Libertarian party thank you :)


  60. Zooey says:

    Too much sugar, Zooey…

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    Yep, that’s what all the guys say….


  61. shane says:

    Typical thug supporting asswipe. Accuse others of your own actions. Take a psychology course, shit for brains. You do nothing but show your ass on this board. You are a 28% moron, a knuckle dragging troglodyte, too ignorant to see outside your shell. Go to hell

    Comment by kasinca

    Mr. Pbrain takes philosophy instead of psychology. That’s why he has no clue that he’s acting out and annoying everybody around him. He is quite impressed with himself every time he can use last terms philosophy lesson to impress the poster her. If he took psychology he’d know how little we give a shit.


  62. Zooey says:

    You are a 28% moron, a knuckle dragging troglodyte, too ignorant to see outside your shell. Go to hell
    Comment by kasinca

    I thought that was the Mighty Venus…..?

    No, sorry, that’s troglodyke.

    Nevermind.


  63. Mr. President says:

    Yep, that’s what all the guys say….

    Comment by Zooey — June 14, 2007 @ 12:13 am

    Zooey, I swear… that’s never happened to me before.


  64. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Yep, that’s what all the guys say….

    Comment by Zooey

    (Blush)… well, if ya got it, strut it….


  65. Mr. President says:

    Mr. Pbrain takes philosophy instead of psychology. That’s why he has no clue that he’s acting out and annoying everybody around him. He is quite impressed with himself every time he can use last terms philosophy lesson to impress the poster her. If he took psychology he’d know how little we give a shit.

    Comment by shane — June 14, 2007 @ 12:14 am

    Yeah!!!

    Thanx for stickin’ up 4 me shane.

    Why don’t you go to hell, kASSinca!

    (Oh, and I have taken psyc. as well, so there!)


  66. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Thanks, Tundra! I took the quiz, and, of course, turned up Liberal. Have you been to http://www.politicalcompass.org? It’s similar, but you can compare yourself to some famous historical figures.


  67. Stella Octangula says:

    Don’t you see that when you base your character judgments on whether or not the man has Bush’s endorsement, that you are nonetheless being controlled by Bush.

    Comment by Mr. President

    You are really reaching there Pal. I thought you had more common sense. Lets take Annes book Godless liberals crap for instance. Is she controlled by the Godless Liberals because she is a group thinker who bases her entire ludicrous ideology on perceived character judgements?

    Or is she the Godless liberal?


  68. Tundra says:

    Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 14, 2007 @ 12:17 am

    Basically I end up between Friedman and the Dalai lama heh,

    I guess that’s a fair place to be for me, there are much worse on there (In my opinion of course)


  69. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Basically I end up between Friedman and the Dalai lama heh,

    Comment by Tundra

    I ended up more Liberal and Libertarian than Ghandi or Mandela.


  70. Mr. President says:

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 12:26 am

    More common-sense!!!

    YOU should know that ANY political statement will be in concord AND discord with other political statements.


  71. Mr. President says:

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 12:26 am

    I call shenanigans!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is a Stella imposter!!!!!!!!!!!

    The REAL Stella does not read books!!!!!!!!

    Especially by Ann Coulter!!!!!!!!!


  72. Stella Octangula says:

    YOU should know that ANY political statement will be in concord AND discord with other political statements.
    Comment by Mr. President

    I’d like to see you prove that bit of political horse plop.


  73. Zooey says:

    I ended up more Liberal and Libertarian than Ghandi or Mandela.
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Me too:

    Economic Left/Right: -6.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56

    Cool.


  74. shane says:

    (Oh, and I have taken psyc. as well, so there!)

    Comment by Mr. President

    Next time try Abnormal Psychology.


  75. Stella Octangula says:

    The REAL Stella does not read books!!!!!!!! Especially by Ann Coulter!!!!!!!!! Comment by Mr. President

    You need to get your crystal ball checked for cracks MP. You are making an untrue statement (s) and are guessing, which BTW is not ‘common sense’

    I could say Mr President uses a speak and spell but that wouldn’t be true now would it? But If use YOUR common sense it is


  76. Mr. President says:

    Next time try Abnormal Psychology.

    Comment by shane — June 14, 2007 @ 12:38 am

    Oh, I see.

    Then maybe I’ll understand YOU better!!!!!


  77. Mr. President says:

    I could say Mr President uses a speak and spell but that wouldn’t be true now would it? But If use YOUR common sense it is

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 12:39 am

    Alright, alright.

    But why ask about Ann Coulter?


  78. Stella Octangula says:

    Then maybe I’ll understand YOU better!!!!!
    Comment by Mr. President

    Ya know, I have been around the internet for quite some tiime, and it never fails to amuse me that people, for some odd reason, think they know someone from what is nothing more than text on a screen.

    Then again, maybe I am your neighbor and you don’t know I’m messing with your head.


  79. Stella Octangula says:

    But why ask about Ann Coulter?

    Comment by Mr. Preside

    I didn’t ask about her, I said use her book as an example, that is of how people try paint each other into their psyche. If it makes you feel better use Al Frankens name instead.


  80. Mr. President says:

    Ya know, I have been around the internet for quite some tiime, and it never fails to amuse me that people, for some odd reason, think they know someone from what is nothing more than text on a screen.
    Then again, maybe I am your neighbor and you don’t know I’m messing with your head.
    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 12:43 am

    So.

    If they were talking in person, all they would really have to know someone is the empirical observations. Exactly like text on a screen.


  81. Zooey says:

    Then again, maybe I am your neighbor and you don’t know I’m messing with your head.
    Comment by Stella Octangula

    Is that you, Trinary Suka?


  82. Mr. President says:

    I didn’t ask about her, I said use her book as an example, that is of how people try paint each other into their psyche. If it makes you feel better use Al Frankens name instead.

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 12:46 am

    I say that they are all political reactions to other political actions (and those other “political actions” are themselves reactions, etc. etc. etc.)


  83. Stella Octangula says:

    If they were talking in person, all they would really have to know someone is the empirical observations. Exactly like text on a screen.

    Comment by Mr. President

    Your talking opinions. Empirical observations would require someone to observe actions, not opinions.


  84. Mr. President says:

    Your talking opinions. Empirical observations would require someone to observe actions, not opinions.

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 12:50 am

    But how would discover what those opinions were if not through communication of some sort?


  85. Stella Octangula says:

    I say that they are all political reactions to other political actions (and those other “political actions” are themselves reactions, etc. etc. etc.)

    Comment by Mr. President

    You say po tah toe
    I say po tay toe.

    I say mental masturbation
    You say political actions


  86. Mr. President says:

    #84 – But how would *one* discover what those opinions were if not through communication of some sort?


  87. Stella Octangula says:

    But how would discover what those opinions were if not through communication of some sort?

    Comment by Mr. President

    Define communication. If i chased you with a baseball bat, and said nothing while doing, what would you think my opinion was?


  88. Mr. President says:

    I say mental masturbation
    You say political actions

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 12:52 am

    I couldn’t give less of a shit about the politics, I was just saying that when someone takes a conscientious position (and this could be about anything) that is opposed to another position, then it has been shaped, in part, by the other.


  89. Mr. President says:

    Define communication. If i chased you with a baseball bat, and said nothing while doing, what would you think my opinion was?

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 12:56 am

    Communication: A message, A transmission, A reception, An interpretation.

    It would depend on the context.


  90. Stella Octangula says:

    Communication: A message, A transmission, A reception, An interpretation. It would depend on the context.
    Comment by Mr. President.

    Your aren’t gonna wiggle out of this one. If a girl smiles at you isnt that a message of some sort?

    What do you interpret a smile, or frown for that matter as?
    Can you see me laughing right now?


  91. Stella Octangula says:

    I was just saying that when someone takes a conscientious position (and this could be about anything) that is opposed to another position, then it has been shaped, in part, by the other.

    Comment by Mr. President

    Really? Lets say you like pudding. I hate pudding.

    Your like or dislike (position) does not influence the other.


  92. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Comment by Zooey — June 14, 2007 @ 12:36 am

    I just took the teast again and scored:
    Economic Left/Right: -6.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

    I must have misread a question somewhere (they have some double- and triple- negatives in there) because I normally score a -7.0 or more on the Economic scale.


  93. Mr. President says:

    What do you interpret a smile, or frown for that matter as?
    Can you see me laughing right now?

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 1:03 am

    I’m not trying to wiggle out of anything.

    All empirical observations are subjective, especially if they are taken out of context.

    If I see a smile or frown all I *really* know are my own impressions. If I interpret that smile or frown one way rather than another it is only because of the context of the situation.


  94. Stella Octangula says:

    =)

    I am laughing now, or does this text prove I am not?

    Yeh, some great communication device.

    The true reason for the internet is to keep opinionated buffoons out of pummeling range of one another.
    (kidding of course)


  95. Mr. President says:

    Really? Lets say you like pudding. I hate pudding.

    Your like or dislike (position) does not influence the other.

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 1:06 am

    You’re right, I misspoke. But what I said in post #3 above still applies.


  96. Mr. President says:

    =)

    I am laughing now, or does this text prove I am not?

    Yeh, some great communication device.

    The true reason for the internet is to keep opinionated buffoons out of pummeling range of one another.
    (kidding of course)

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 1:12 am

    Even if I could observe you laughing, I still would not know if you actually thought something was funny, or if you were acting.


  97. Stella Octangula says:

    If I see a smile or frown all I *really* know are my own impressions. If I interpret that smile or frown one way rather than another it is only because of the context of the situation.

    Comment by Mr. President

    Yeh, it sucks when the toilet paper sticks to your shoe, and people are smiling at you, even though one may not realize it for hours.

    But at least you realize that impressions don’t reqiure a verbal message.


  98. Stella Octangula says:

    Even if I could observe you laughing, I still would not know if you actually thought something was funny, or if you were acting.

    Comment by Mr. President

    But you said TEXT was an empircal observation of ones opinion…. yet you just admit that it isn’t. Ergo what Anne Coulter or Franken writes as some kind of truth cannot be validated as such. Besides people write BS all the time for money or fame.


  99. Mr. President says:

    Yeh, it sucks when the toilet paper sticks to your shoe, and people are smiling at you, even though one may not realize it for hours.

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 1:14 am

    I honestly am not fazed in the least by those situations. I could care less.


  100. Mr. President says:

    But you said TEXT was an empircal observation of ones opinion…. yet you just admit that it isn’t. Ergo what Anne Coulter or Franken writes as some kind of truth cannot be validated as such. Besides people write BS all the time for money or fame.

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 1:16 am

    No that is not what I said. I said that ALL we know is learned empirically, whether it be text, spoken word, touch, taste, smell, etc.

    But no, I say that NOTHING, can be completely validated as such. Even if we think we have investigated the situation to the fullest.


  101. Zooey says:

    I must have misread a question somewhere (they have some double- and triple- negatives in there) because I normally score a -7.0 or more on the Economic scale.
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Oh no! You’re slipping to the right…..heh.


  102. Stella Octangula says:

    I honestly am not fazed in the least by those situations. I could care less. Comment by Mr. President

    Such is why I don’t put any value on what pundits say or write.

    Glad we got that cleared up =)

    Cya later Mr President


  103. Mr. President says:

    Cya later Mr President

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 1:19 am

    Chu’ch


  104. Stella Octangula says:

    No that is not what I said. I said that ALL we know is learned empirically, whether it be text, spoken word, touch, taste

    S T R E T C H I N G

    What did you learn from having toilet paper stuck to your shoe?

    Check your feet before leaving the restroom or quit reading the crap on the stall wall?


  105. Mr. President says:

    No that is not what I said. I said that ALL we know is learned empirically, whether it be text, spoken word, touch, taste

    S T R E T C H I N G

    What did you learn from having toilet paper stuck to your shoe?

    Check your feet before leaving the restroom or quit reading the crap on the stall wall?

    Comment by Stella Octangula — June 14, 2007 @ 1:23 am

    This is not stretching anything. All of our senses are subjective.


  106. shane says:

    Then again, maybe I am your neighbor and you don’t know I’m messing with your head.

    Comment by Stella Octangula

    I suspect all Mr. Ps neighbors have already moved. Too much noise.


  107. shane says:

    Even if I could observe you laughing, I still would not know if you actually thought something was funny, or if you were acting.

    Comment by Mr. President

    Interesting, because a dog would be able to tell just by judging body language if you were acting or actually laughing. So would a person studying criminology with good instincts. Of course to somebody with no interpersonal experience, a typed blurb might say as much as any other contact.


  108. shane says:

    I honestly am not fazed in the least by those situations. I could care less.

    Comment by Mr. President

    I believe just the fact that you would type this shows that it is not at all true.


  109. Mr. President says:

    Comment by shane — June 14, 2007 @ 1:42 am

    Oh, hey there shane.

    Do you need someone to talk to?


  110. Mr. President says:

    Interesting, because a dog would be able to tell just by judging body language if you were acting or actually laughing. So would a person studying criminology with good instincts. Of course to somebody with no interpersonal experience, a typed blurb might say as much as any other contact.

    Comment by shane — June 14, 2007 @ 1:40 am

    Actually, there is no way for you to know for sure what a dog does or does not think because not only are your sense-impressions subjective, but so are the dog’s.

    BooYa!

    I just blew your mind.


  111. jimbo DUDE says:

    YOU
    HAVE
    TO
    BE
    KIDDING ME……………………

    A FRIGGIN LOBBYIST JUST IN APRIL 2007 WITH QUALCOM,
    RECENTLY GETTING PAID 3/4 OF A MILLION DOLLARS

    THEN GOES THROUGH THE REVOLVING DOOR FROM

    PRIVATE TO PUBLIC WITH ALL SORTS OF SNAKE OIL CONNECTIONS

    THAT’S ABOUT AS CORRUPT AS YOU CAN GET

    WHAT A FRIGGIN POLITICAL PARASITE

    WHAT A FRIGGIN CROCK OF S**T DUDE

    IT IS SO

    S
    0

    FRIGGIN CORRUPT IT’S ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERYONE PUKE

    AND THE SYSTEM IS TOTALLY RIGGED

    ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING

    LITERALLY ONE HOODLUM AFTER THE NEXT IN THE HIGHEST CLASS
    HOUSE IN THE COUNTRY.

    LITERALLY A BUNCH OF SWINDLERS, OUTRIGHT BRIBERY DUDE

    FRIGGIN
    THROW
    EVERYONE
    OF THEM

    IN THE FRIGGIN SLAMMER DUDE

    HOODLUMS I SAY

    COMPLETE POLITICAL PARASITES, LITERALLY CRIMINAL DUDE

    FAST SHIFTY EYED, SMOOTH TALKING SMOOZIN CRUISIN
    DRACULA DUDE

    LITERALLY SWINDLERS DUDE SWINDLERS

    LITERALLY FRIGGIN HOODLUMS, FRIGGIN POLITICAL LEECHES


  112. Big Mitch says:

    “The line between lobbying the federal government and running it just got blurrier.” That’s got to be a joke.

    In case you haven’t been paying attention, Fred Thompson is running for president. You can read about him at Home Spun Charm.

    Please visit the Schapira blog, “What we know so far…”

    … and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!


  113. JPark says:

    “I honestly am not fazed in the least by those situations. I could care less.”

    Mr. President, could you care less or COULDN’T you care less? Just want some verification.


  114. Popeye says:

    jimbo dude,
    You’re caps key is locked on,in case you didn’t know!


  115. Zimzone says:

    This is where K Street meets 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.


  116. OxyCOn says:

    Give the poor man some time to sit down with Frank Luntz, so he can come up with some sweet sounding bullsh*t before y’all jump him with pertinent questions.
    Geez!


  117. shane says:

    Actually, there is no way for you to know for sure what a dog does or does not think because not only are your sense-impressions subjective, but so are the dog’s.

    BooYa!

    I just blew your mind.

    Comment by Mr. President

    Good to know you know as much about dog behavior as you do human behavior. Maybe you should read a little something about dogs and police work and body language. Or you could just go back to your philosophy book and pull out some cliche.


  118. shane says:

    Mr. President, could you care less or COULDN’T you care less? Just want some verification.

    Comment by JPark

    You are sharp as a tack at 3:35 am JPark. MP will have to check his philosophy books before he gets back to you today, see what happens when he thinks himself.


  119. Mr. President says:

    Mr. President, could you care less or COULDN’T you care less? Just want some verification.

    Comment by JPark

    You are sharp as a tack at 3:35 am JPark. MP will have to check his philosophy books before he gets back to you today, see what happens when he thinks himself.

    Comment by shane — June 14, 2007 @ 10:21 am

    JPark, I thought you were a tad smarter than that.

    Discernment man, discernment.

    It’s OK, I’ll help you out on this one.

    In one post I say “I couldn’t give less of a shit about the politics.”

    The other post refers to toilet paper stuck to a shoe.

    But if you need more verification, just let me know.
    .
    .
    .
    Shane, I’m sorry I missed your posts last night. I could tell that you really needed someone to talk to, I hope that you will be OK.


  120. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Oh no! You’re slipping to the right…..heh.

    Comment by Zooey — June 14, 2007 @ 1:19 am

    Only in the sense that I must be getting dumber or more illiterate! :)



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