BREAKING: Libby Must Report To Prison Pending Appeal
BREAKING: Libby Must Report To Prison Pending Appeal
AP reports:
A federal judge said Thursday he will not delay a 2 1/2-year prison sentence for I. Lewis ”Scooter” Libby, a ruling that could send the former White House aide to prison within weeks.
U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton’s decision will send Libby’s attorneys rushing to an appeals court to block the sentence and could force President Bush to consider calls from Libby’s supporters to pardon the former aide.
No date was set for Libby to report to prison but it’s expected to be within six to eight weeks. That will be left up to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, which will also select a facility.
UPDATE: Firedoglake has more details.
UPDATE II: AP reports that Libby’s lawyers “will seek an emergency order delaying the sentence.”
UPDATE III: Response from White House Deputy Press Secretary Dana Perino:
Scooter Libby still has the right to appeal, and therefore the president will continue not to intervene in the judicial process. The president feels terribly for Scooter, his wife and their young children, and all that they’re going through.
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June 14th, 2007 at 1:39 pmJUSTICE!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 1:40 pmLook no further than Failure in Chief to disregard the law and DOJ guidelines for the entire appeals process to be complete before allowing a Pardon.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:41 pmLet’s see how long it last’s..Blessings
June 14th, 2007 at 1:41 pmYes!!! Let the “soap on a rope” jokes commence!
June 14th, 2007 at 1:42 pmLet the tattling begin!
June 14th, 2007 at 1:42 pmScooter Libby – The greatest American “TRAITOR”! May his sorry butt rot in prison!
June 14th, 2007 at 1:42 pmNah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, goodbye.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:42 pmYou cannot lie to and/or mislead our justice system. You will go to jail for it, and you should go to jail for it. It’s a subversion of the highest order. This court should applauded for its tough on crime stance!!
June 14th, 2007 at 1:42 pmThough they can be ignored by presidents, the guidelines for pardons and clemency recommended by the Department of Justice say that a convict should generally have to wait five years after conviction or release from confinement before being pardoned. Those who received pardons are also generally expected to accept responsibility for their criminal conduct, and should be seeking forgiveness rather than vindication. Presidents can also commute sentences without granting an underlying pardon, although that action is rare and is generally taken after a sentence has begun.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/us/07libby.html
June 14th, 2007 at 1:43 pm“U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton’s decision will send Libby’s attorneys rushing to an appeals court to block the sentence…”
I thought this WAS the appeal?
June 14th, 2007 at 1:43 pmYour justice is served, now invite Karl and Cheney over for a helping!
June 14th, 2007 at 1:43 pmReggie!!!Reggie!!!Reggie!!!(chant)
June 14th, 2007 at 1:44 pmWhat a ‘bitch’ !
June 14th, 2007 at 1:44 pmDamian,
“Yes!!! Let the “soap on a rope†jokes commence”
No, let’s not go down that road. Those jokes aren’t funny. He will do his time. No one should be wishing rape on the guy. It’s not ok. It’s not funny.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:45 pmWhy is it the GOP are the biggest queens in prison?
Some mistakenly assume that with their bravado, swagger, and machismo that GOP and Neocons are tough but they are the biggest cum guzzling queens in prison.
My brother in law works the feferal prison system and see’s this all the time. Cons turn to bottoms in prison.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:46 pmScootster scooted to Hoosgow!
-Film at 11:00
June 14th, 2007 at 1:47 pmI hear that train a’comin’
It’s comin’ ’round the bend
And I ain’t seen the sunshine
Since I don’t know when
I been stuck in Folsom Prison
Time keeps dragin’ on
But that train keeps a-rollin’,
On down to San Antone
I bet there’s rich folks eatin’
In a fancy dining car
They’re probably drinkin’ coffee
And smokin’ big cigars
But I know I had it comin’
I know I can’t be free
But those people keep a-movin’
And that’s what tortures me
I hope Libby hates every freekin’ minute of this.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:48 pmLibby’s exercise regimen should include “toe touching”, that’s certain.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:49 pmand, finally, the “ta-dah” we’ve all been waiting for! Finally, someone from the Bush Cabal receives the justice he soooooo deserves!
June 14th, 2007 at 1:49 pmReggie Walton: American “hero” Extraordinaire!
June 14th, 2007 at 1:50 pmGood!
June 14th, 2007 at 1:51 pmIn a Washington court room today, Americans learned that Judge Reggie Walton has received threatening phone calls and letters for his sentence of Scooter Libby. Apparently, from John Cornyn, Tom Delay and Ann Coulter to the right-wing grassroots, threatening judges from the Supreme Court on down is now business as usual for the American conservative movement.
For the details, see:
June 14th, 2007 at 1:52 pm“Libby Court’s Walton Latest Target of Right-Wing Threats to Judges.”
Look, folks, this is nothing to cheer about.
Yes, it’s heartening that our system of justice can still work the way it’s supposed to, and yes, it’s proper that a convicted felon serve his time.
But it’s still very depressing that the Vice-President’s Chief of Staff perjured himself and obstructed justice in a very important investigation. And quite likely enabled others to go free.
Anyone not depressed about that doesn’t love this country.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:53 pmI can’t wait for the video of his wife coming unhinged. She’s a real case.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:55 pmMore delays.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:55 pmI’ll be happy when I see Mr. Libby doing the perp walk in shackles, an orange jump suit and flip flops.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:55 pmLet’s not forget Walton was appointed in 2001 to his lifetime seat on the federal bench by President George W. Bush. He was chosen because he’s tough on crime and tends to impose lengthy sentences. No crying now, Bush!
June 14th, 2007 at 1:57 pmThis should be interesting. If Bush pardons Libby, the Republicans can kiss the White House goodbye (assuming the elections aren’t cancelled).
If Bush doesn’t pardon Libby, you can bet Libby will sing like a canary (with this crowd, loyalty extends only as far as their own skin).
June 14th, 2007 at 1:57 pmCrump’s Bro : not wishing rape on the guy at all. Just recognizing human nature – the jokes are going to be made, even though they may be in poor taste.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:57 pmNo, let’s not go down that road. Those jokes aren’t funny. He will do his time. No one should be wishing rape on the guy. It’s not ok. It’s not funny.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 14, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Come on Crump… considering the butt of the joke (pun intended) is someone that promoted torture (including sxual humiliation)… its kinda funny… maybe not ha ha funny… but certainly funny in an ironic way.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:58 pmDearest Scootums,
Hope to see you soon, dearie.
XXOO
June 14th, 2007 at 1:59 pmturdblossom
Cue: “Dragnet Theme Song”
http://www.timstvshowcase.com/dragnet.html
June 14th, 2007 at 2:01 pmspit take,
Interesting take. It is a bittersweet kind of thing. It is unfortunate that Mr. Libby felt he had to lie and mislead the investigators in this matter. But it is heartening to now that our justice system dealt with him appropriately.
The joy your seeing is obviously from the feeling that nothing was ever going to stick to any of these guys. They play as though they are above the law. It’s a relief to know that they can’t get away with everything.
Although we all know that the pardon is only a meter of when.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:02 pmHeh. Just what I thought. No bail for Scooter. :)
Scooter still has 6-8 weeks more than the average Joe would get, he should be grateful.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:03 pmG.W.SuperChrist,
While I understand the thought, I just disagree. We must be above that, or else we are no better than them.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:03 pmWell, I hope Scooter knows enough to beat the crap out of someone on his first day.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:04 pmSeeing that the butt of the joke didn’t care a hoot about the safety of Valerie Plame Wilson or anyone who had dealings with her, I’d say that Libby’s on his own in the prison environment.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:04 pmI’m sorry, did we imprison a fugitive violent rapist today? It must be the only way all of you could be this excited.
(P.S. – This in no way reduces the need for me to own a gun for the purposes of protecting myself.)
June 14th, 2007 at 2:05 pmYaY. Big Government. YaY.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:06 pmOkay Bushie Boy, your move. The million question is this, will he flip??
June 14th, 2007 at 2:06 pmMaybe Scooter can write a steamy novel in the pokey.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:07 pm#36 It’s fun to be altruistic and idealistic; however, there comes a point where reality must set in. Scooter Libby is an american traitor, clear and simple and proven in court. What happens to him in the prison environment will be his problem. The crime for which he is being punishment is the “criminal endangerment” of a covert CIA operative – which means that she, her immediate family, her extended family, friends, and everyone whom she had political ties to WAS and may still BE in jeopardy. That’s serious! The jokes will come and go and you might want to consider developing a thicker skin or a more realistic persona. Might I just happen to detect a bit of Republicanism in your commentary??? I would bet on it….it always rears (no pun intended) it’s ugly head sooner or later.
Having said that, altruism and idealism is fine….except when you step out your door into the “real world”.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:07 pmWhen Libby, Libby Libby,
June 14th, 2007 at 2:08 pmgoes to jail, jail jail,
he will take it, take it, take it,
in the tail, tail, tail….
CompTROLLER V-1,
“I’m sorry, did we imprison a fugitive violent rapist today? It must be the only way all of you could be this excited.”
No CT. We are excited because, while violent crime is abhorent, a crime like the one perpetrated by Mr. Libby is a crime agianst his own country. He attempted to subvert the Justice System of our nation. It is essentially a crime against our way of life. He will now pay the price for that crime. (That is until the pardon comes. Which I’m convinced it will unfortunately)
June 14th, 2007 at 2:08 pmLibby’s lawyers want an Emergency Do-Over!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:08 pmJustice indeed.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:09 pmCrump’s Bro: I guess what I’m saying here is that Republicans certainly can dish it out but can’t take the heat themselves. Is it possible that you voted Repub in one of the last stolen elections perchance?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:09 pmFizgerald really did a fantastic job on this. He’s a by-the-book, let justice be done kind of guy, and I think he really handled this highly publicized trial admirably. He’s everything a prosecutor should be.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:09 pmI get the feeling that Libby is going to prison for Libetrolls, not for “lying to a grand jury.”
I’ll enjoy watching all of you squirm when Mr. President grants the pardon.
Justice served.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:09 pmIf Bush doesn’t pardon Libby, you can bet Libby will sing like a canary…
June 14th, 2007 at 2:09 pmComment by Laura
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Word is that Bush won’t intervene.
#42 wonder why they call it the “pokey” in the first place??? Enquiring minds want to know!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:10 pmI wonder what “Breaking news” smokescreen will be used to get this story out of rotation. Any guesses?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:10 pmWell, crump’s bro….I guess you passed muster on that last post. I take back my question on voting repuke now. Good answer to an obvious Repuking troll.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:11 pmCT, great attitude.
I’m glad you too believe people should be able to lie and get away with it!
That’s morals for you!
So what if a jury found him guilty? It’s not as though it’s made up of his peers or anything. It’s all a conspiracy!
Yeah, that’s it.
Gross miscarriage of justice!
What ever happened to “Rule of Law” Republicans?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:13 pmFaux News – Planning Natalie Holloway Special 10 hour retrospective.
…..Developing
Also absent on Drudge..crickets
……Developing
June 14th, 2007 at 2:13 pmA more important issue is the newly-found (yeah, right!) emails of the RNC and Leahy’s need to press the media for an immediate “press conference” regarding the WH’s stonewalling of turning them over. Any emails or phone numbers for Leahy et al?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#53–Cue the latest “foiled terrorist attack plot” diversion.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:14 pmComment by Crump’s Brother
You’re so logical and charming, Crump. I always lovee to hear what you have to say.
Valerie can go to the private sector and make $$millions$$ modeling and strutting her Democratic stuff.
They found the leaker. The leaker was Armitage. Armitage sits on the board of ConacoPhillips. Libby goes to prison.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:14 pmveritas,
Unfortunately, no, I have no Republican in me. Sorry to burst your bubble. And I too have a sense of humor. But we must try to rise above their level.
But, unfortunately you are worng about a thing or two.
“The crime for which he is being punishment is the “criminal endangerment†of a covert CIA operative”
Sadly this is untrue. He has been convicted of lying to a federal prosecutors and a grand jury. I agree that he is guilty of endangering Mrs. Plame as well, but he was not convicted of that. So he is not being punished for that.
“What happens to him in the prison environment will be his problem.”
This makes you sound Republican actually. What happens to him in prison is our problem. You think it’s justified that people get raped in prison? You think it’s ok that people can be treated as animals when they are in jail? I do not. I believe in the virtue of comapssion that says we must still care for those who have comitted crimes agianst us. It is what makes us civilized.
“Having said that, altruism and idealism is fine….except when you step out your door into the “real worldâ€.”
I’m glad the Founders of our Nation didn’t see it this way, or they may not have had the balls to do what was right.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:15 pmthe trolls are grumpy today
June 14th, 2007 at 2:15 pmwe should all go to CNN and vote for Judge Walton to be a “CNN Hero”!!!
:D
June 14th, 2007 at 2:16 pmComment by Wilco
Nevermind that – if I have it archived correctly – at least one of Libby’s jury-peers felt sympathy and actually suggested a pardon. I’ll google it. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:16 pmLeonard Peltier has been trying to get a pardon for 32 years…. Libby will get one in 30 days.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:16 pm“They found the leaker. The leaker was Armitage. Armitage sits on the board of ConacoPhillips. Libby goes to prison.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 14, 2007 @ 2:14 pm”
Libby OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE and committed PUJERY!!!!!
Why are you willing to give ANYONE who commits a crime a pass????
Why do you HATE America and what it stands for??
June 14th, 2007 at 2:17 pmCompTROLLER V-1,
You’re avoidance is very obvious. I’m not doubting that Armitage and Rove were the original soucres for the leak. But they ‘apparently’ didn’t lie to the prosecutor about that. What is it you aren’t getting here?
Are you saying that unless the leak was prosecuted, the lying must forgiven? Does that make any sense?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:17 pmI don’t think Anyone should be released form prison pending appeal. That being said, good news.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:19 pmveritas,
“Well, crump’s bro….I guess you passed muster on that last post. I take back my question on voting repuke now. Good answer to an obvious Repuking troll.”
Believe me we are on the same side!!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:19 pm#36 Crump’s Bro – be above reaping what you sow… above karma and cosmic justice?
I’d rather not… I have no mercy for a man that has no remorse!
I’m a progressive – not a pussy… I hope he gets everything he deserves!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:19 pmI’m so glad to hear this, even if he isn’t the guy who should be off to prison. Maybe he’s making an emergency call to Patrick Fitzgerald for a little chat….maybe offer some minor details he left out the first few times….
June 14th, 2007 at 2:19 pmI’m sorry, did we imprison a fugitive violent rapist today? It must be the only way all of you could be this excited.
(P.S. – This in no way reduces the need for me to own a gun for the purposes of protecting myself.)
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 14, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
If I understand the situation, the convict “Libby”, as a member of a larger conspiracy, aidded and abetted raped, shot, and left for dead, our Constitution. In addition, during the commission of this crime, the convict did, as a coconspirator, commit treason by the public identification of one of our spies.
As for the gun – you’re probably right about that. You have made enemies of most of your fellow Americans.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI think it is sad that the automatic assumption is that he will be sexually assulted in prison. It doesn’t say much about our society either torture or sexual assault are taken for granted.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:20 pm“This makes you sound Republican actually. What happens to him in prison is our problem. You think it’s justified that people get raped in prison? You think it’s ok that people can be treated as animals when they are in jail? I do not. I believe in the virtue of comapssion that says we must still care for those who have comitted crimes agianst us. It is what makes us civilized.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 14, 2007 @ 2:15 pm”
Sorry, but I hope that he gets gang banged and dies while being stuffed like a hot potatoe…..
Anyone who will betray this country that I served to protect does not deserve ANY respect, support, protection, or anything that they gave no care about for this country……
I would not lose one second of sleep if I read in the news after he went to jail that he was rapped and died as a result.
If he betrayed this country, which he had a hand in, then I have no respect or desire to see this person alive anymore…..
Just like I would not feel bad one bit if Bush or Cheney were to be assasinated…… They have destroyed this country and stomped on the Constitution so much that they deserve neither respect or sympathy for anything that happens to them.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:22 pmValerie can go to the private sector and make $$millions$$ modeling and strutting her Democratic stuff.
They found the leaker. The leaker was Armitage. Armitage sits on the board of ConacoPhillips. Libby goes to prison.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
There’s something called a moral compass — get one.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:23 pmCT
June 14th, 2007 at 2:25 pmThere are no “do overs”!
Your suggestion that there should be because a juror changed his mind is ludicrous.
It’s called the rule of law. No one should be above it, even if he’s part of this administration.
You should not be able to lie to investigators and a grand jury just because there is no “underlying crime” (even though the investigation was to determine whether there was or wasn’t)
I don’t get how this is more complicated than that.
I hope we get some video of him crying in the back seat of a cruiser for his mommy and daddy.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:26 pmComment by smafdy
Go catch some violent criminals. I would rather forward my tax dollars to see them caged. Libby’s sentence should be nothing more than a suspended prison term and strict probation. Please, get over yourself. Democratic politics shouldn’t be this glorified.
To clarify, Law-abiding citizens would need that gun in order to defend themselves from the same violent criminals that Demos refuse to jail. I’ve made no enemies. The “make the enemy” statement is a liberal talking point to mash actual victims of crime, so do yourself a favor and STFU.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:27 pmPerjury has consequences. That’s the way it ought to be. Right, Cons?!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:28 pmI am sure you guys have seen how a dog responds to worms…by scooting across the floor?! Boy, I would hate to be named Scooter in jail!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:28 pmLibby lied because he thought or was told that the reporters would not testify. He had told the lies before the reporters were questioned.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:28 pmPerjury has consequences. That’s the way it ought to be. Right, Cons?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:29 pmComment by Zooey
Democrats aren’t exactly the firmest representatives when it comes to moral compassing.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:29 pmJust like a dog that scoots across the floor to relieve ass-irritation when afflicted with worms, so may Scooter heal himself in the “pokey”!!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:30 pmG.W.SuperChrist,
“I’m a progressive – not a pussy… I hope he gets everything he deserves!!!”
I’m happy for you that you don not see yourself as a pussy, however it does not change the fact that wishing rape on a man because he comitted a crime, makes you a bit barbaric and something of a neanderthal. Many of us were rightfully furious when the Abu Grhaib story broke. Why are those actions any different than wishing them on someone else who at least was fairly tried and convicted? He desrves to go to jail for the duration of his sentence. He does not deserve rape or beatings.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:30 pmBumScag! Rot there, and have fun with your roommates!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:31 pmYeah, Zooey
June 14th, 2007 at 2:32 pmClinton and Jefferson make up for all the dozens of GOP convicted in just the last couple of years
Who’s Duke Cunningham, anyway?
I hear he had a hot tub!
“There are no “do oversâ€!”
Sure there is.
a) new trial
June 14th, 2007 at 2:32 pmb) juicy pardon
Democrats aren’t exactly the firmest representatives when it comes to moral compassing.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
I’m talking about YOU — personally.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:32 pm“Go catch some violent criminals.”
what’s that got to do with libby? he comitted a felony. i’m sorry that hurts your feelings. got any other scary straw men you’d like to evoke?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:34 pmRemoveBush,
“Sorry, but I hope that he gets gang banged and dies while being stuffed like a hot potatoe…..”
Then I would submit to you that you are no better than those who would disregard international law and torture other humans.
I feel genuinely sorry for you.
I too agree that the current group running our country are a curse on our nation, but I believe that my nation will recover from them and regain its good reputation through the processes that our founders laid out for us. We don’t need to kill or rape anyone to make that happen.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“Why are those actions any different than wishing them on someone else who at least was fairly tried and convicted? He desrves to go to jail for the duration of his sentence. He does not deserve rape or beatings.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 14, 2007 @ 2:30 pm”
Because those people did not commit TREASON against our country!!!!
If a person has no respect for this country and comitts the ultimate crime, TREASON, then they deserve nothing but DEATH!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:34 pmI hope he gets raped.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:34 pmOf course the Bush/Cheney reichwing was phoning in death threats to the judge for the past few days.
P.S. Isn’t this judge a Republican appointed conservative? Maybe he is what conservatism once stood for. Law. Rule of Law. Not kangaroo courts, of for our fascist Bush/Cheney regime, NO COURTS AT ALL.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:36 pmOver and over.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:37 pmGood.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:38 pm“Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 14, 2007 @ 2:34 pm”
I guess I love my country more than you……
I don’t find any forgiveness for TREASON!!!!
If you do, then perhaps your love for this country is not what it should be?
I gave part of my life to serve this country and to have someone in a WH position to committ this act of TREASON is the largest crime, other than trashing the Constitution.
For any other situation or crime I would agree with you….. However, not when it comes to BETRAYING my country and putting peoples lives in danger that are trying to protect this country.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:38 pmCT, nice game
June 14th, 2007 at 2:38 pmYou at lease seemed to argue against the “jury of his peers” being a good excuse for his sentence because one of his jurors later suggested Libby should be pardoned. So, in that sense, no, there is no “do over” as I stated.
Good luck with a new trial. This jury seemed almost desperate to let him go but couldn’t. They found him unanimously guilty.
Sure, the president can pardon him, and I believe he will. Nothing is beyond the guy. He clearly just doesn’t care anymore. Any hope of a positive legacy for him is well beyond reach.
America –> LAWS & JUSTICE.
Keep those hearings and supeanas coming…
Twenty Things We Should Know About Corporate Crime
June 14th, 2007 at 2:38 pmhttp://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/13/1859/
Will Scooter spill the beans if he doesn’t get a pardon? And if Chimpy gives Scooter a pardon will this affect The Repukes chances (even more) in 2008?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:39 pm“Your suggestion that there should be because a juror changed his mind is ludicrous.”
With documentation that a juror had a deep concern and had even suggested a pardon, the President can choose to take that into account to intervene.
Now, President Bush has been ridiculously quiet here, so he might be thinking about leaving a faithful government employee behind so that the rest of the offenders can continue to enjoy their padded private-sector lifestyles. A pardon seems like better news to me, especially if the outrage prompts the Justice Department to scrape up some dirt on the more serious offenders here – maybe even Karl Rove.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:39 pmWrong, again – assnugget V-1.
What they found was a conspiracy to commit treason. There were many conspirators involved, and if the investigation were not obstructed, those would include the V.P. of the United States, possibly the President (who gets a pass because he doesn’t have the mental ability to understand the charges against him), the Convict “Libby”, Armitage, and a host of others.
This kind of conspiracy is historically known as a “Smear campaign”, or more recently “Swiftboating”. While morally and ethically wrong under any circumstances, the commission of an act of treason in the process of the campaign is a felony of the first order.
Consider this: if Bush pardons Libby, he is tacitly admitting that Libby was convicted for a real crime (let’s leave the unanimous jury verdict on the sidelines). The “no underlying crime argument” goes away. It logically follows that someone, other than the Convict, in Bush’s inner circle also commited a crime, the investigation of which Libby WAS convicted for obstructing. So, what to do about the ADMITTED underlyng crime?
It’s treason by everyone involved, you moron.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:41 pmPoor ComTROLLER – sucks to be you today. The rest of the world rejoices.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:41 pmI’m happy for you that you don not see yourself as a pussy, however it does not change the fact that wishing rape on a man because he comitted a crime, makes you a bit barbaric and something of a neanderthal. Many of us were rightfully furious when the Abu Grhaib story broke. Why are those actions any different than wishing them on someone else who at least was fairly tried and convicted? He desrves to go to jail for the duration of his sentence. He does not deserve rape or beatings.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 14, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Gosh Crumpy lighten up!
I suppose I am somewhat barbaric and neanderthalish to hope that what comes around goes around – but this man helped promote some of the most egregious crimes against humanity that have ever taken place… isn’t there even a little part of you that thinks that 30 months just isn’t enough?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:41 pmIf he goes to jail he’ll probably end up in one of those white-collar minimum security country club jails and write a book.
But then again, maybe I’m just too cynical.
BTW, does everyone here know that Valerie Plame was working on assessing Iran’s capabilities? So nice to know that her office was thrown under the bus once her cover was blown.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:42 pmSo you believe the Justice Department might go after Rove?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:42 pmAnd that’s a good excuse to pardon Libby?
Wow
Just wow
RemoveBush
“I don’t find any forgiveness for TREASON!!!!”
I fully agree with you!!!
unfortunately, Libby was not convicted of that crime. He may very well be guilty of that crime, but we shouldn’t be wishing death on one who has not been convicted of a crime worthy of a sentence like that.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:42 pmComment by Zooey
Whoa, now c’mon, Zooey. I’m a Republican-lite. I have the values, you see. I’m simply suggesting that Mrs. Plame should utilize the values of her own party to make some hot $$$$$$cash$$$$$.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:42 pmG.W.SuperChrist,
“isn’t there even a little part of you that thinks that 30 months just isn’t enough?”
Of course I think he deserves more than this. But (I know I keep saying this, but I mean it) UNFORTUNATELY, he was not tried or convicted of a crime worthy of those higher penalties. I wish he would have been. I think all those involved in the Plame deal deserve to be tried for treason honestly, But I am happy with this sentence and this verdict. It re-affirms the notion that PERJURY IS A SERIOUS CRIME!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:45 pmbu$hler will never pardon Scoot. To pardon is to accentuate the guilt. bu$hit pardons, bu$hit and chainsaw own the crime. Never happen. bu$hCo loyalty is a cul de sac. Scoots is already chopped meat sticking to the underside of the bus. Time to “move ahead.”
Recommended roommate? The bear, of course.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:45 pmWere you outraged when President Clinton lied about consensual sex acts with a woman other than his wife?
Are you untroubled by the knowledge that President Bush and members of his administration told bald faced lies to the public to manipulate support for a war that has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands?
If so, you may be one of the 29% of Americans who have Selective Outrage Syndrome! Unfortunately, there’s no pill yet available to restore your innate capacity for a normal, healthy morality. In the meantime, psychologists recommend that you simply STFU!
Have a nice day!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:46 pmComment by LI-BERATOR V-2
Talking Points ™, Political Motivation ™, Childish Namecalling ™
That pretty much summed up your argument.
Grade: F-
June 14th, 2007 at 2:46 pmRank: Ineffective
“unfortunately, Libby was not convicted of that crime. He may very well be guilty of that crime, but we shouldn’t be wishing death on one who has not been convicted of a crime worthy of a sentence like that.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 14, 2007 @ 2:42 pm”
Maybe he wasn’t convicted, but he is PART of it!!!!
He is protecting those involved which makes him just as responsible for the act…..
I don’t care if he was charged with j-walking, because Fitz could not get to the truth the evidence is there that TREASON was committed and he is protecting the party(s) involved.
No pass on that!
The truth could not be gotten to because Libby threw so much dirt into the eyes of Fitz that he had to call the game.
I want to see blood flowing out that mans mouth after being rapped by the biggest black man in his prison complex.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:46 pm“intelligence officials revealed heretofore unreported elements of Plame’s work. Their accounts suggest that Plame’s outing was more serious than has previously been reported and carries grave implications for U.S. national security and its ability to monitor Iran’s burgeoning nuclear program”
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2005/Outed_CIA_officer_was_working_on_0213.html
June 14th, 2007 at 2:47 pmHas anyone established whether Libby prefers the syrup or the jelly? I’m guessing he’s a jelly man, but I could be wrong.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:49 pmMargaret: Thanks for the thread. Unimagineable that Bushitcos are still attempting to parrot the confirmed (by CIA officials) fact that Plame was not covert….and now this! Wow! I believe that it’s not only Libby whose sorry butt should be sitting in prison right now – but all the up the food chain, the illustrious (and criminal) chain of command on this one. Perhaps this means that it finally will??
June 14th, 2007 at 2:49 pmNice try, ya’ freekin’ git.
So, the Convict “Libby” DID commit a crime, and you have admitted it. Dude – I am over myself, and now I’ve moved on to you. Maybe Democratic politics shouldn’t be this glorified, but they are. Guess we’re just lucky.
Then you throw the crime boogeyman out there (”why just this mornin’ I had to shoot 2 of them goddamn niggas from my deck.”). Nice. Let’s put treason in it’s proper place in relation to neighborhood crime.
Lastly, you have made enemies. Trust me on this.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:51 pmCrump’s bro: It’s no news that Libby’s crime is much more heinous than the charges he’s been convicted of; however, go to the link on #113 (Margaret’s post). You may find it enlightening.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:52 pmKeep those hearings and supenas coming..
Next….
–> Alberto Gonzales under investigation by his own department
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003435.php
The Republican party is done..
Unless Bush, Cheney and Gonzales Resign…
They cannot shut down anymore of the investigations.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:52 pmIts over.
RemoveBush,
“I want to see blood flowing out that mans mouth after being rapped by the biggest black man in his prison complex.”
I pity you. I find you ignorant. “Black Man”? Is it important that it be a black man who peforms this terrible act? Nice….
June 14th, 2007 at 2:53 pmThe thread alluded to on #134 tells it all and should end any serious debate on whether or not Libby committed a crime and how heinous his “outing” of this covert agent actually was. He deserves FAR more than he is receiving, that’s certain. Now let’s get to the real bottom of things and bring charges for this NEW crime against Darth et al.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:54 pmComment by Wilco
Haven’t you heard of a deal? Border drug-smugglers sometime to one helping federal prosecutors wrongfully try border patrol agents. That’s right, they get freed from prosecution despite their drug hording.
The deal: No prison time and probation. That’s not too much to ask for a man who’s been a faithful citizen and Government employee all his years before this took place.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:55 pmVeritas, you are most welcome.
Of course, by outing Plame and blowing the cover off her group the bums also may have shut up the people who may have countered some of their propaganda re: Iran.
In other words, two birds with one stone…if you will.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:55 pm“Is it important that it be a black man who peforms this terrible act? Nice….
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 14, 2007 @ 2:53 pm”
No but legend has it that they are the largest in that area, and I want the most damage to be done……
If there is a white guy that is hung as big, then fine but most well hung guys are black.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:55 pmI fear that Crumpy here is a case of “he who doth protest too much”….humm….(concern troll perhaps?). I find his continuous reference to the prison environment quite pathological at this point. Get over it, dude and move your head out of your own bunghole. By belaboring the issue to which you protest so much, you are encouraging it. Foolish behavior on your part.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:55 pmveritas,
I’m aware of that story. And as I’ve said, I think there was a much more horrible crime comitted here, but unfortunately, due to lying and what not, Fitzgerlad could not get there. Hopefully things will change, and these guys will all pay for what they did to hte Wilson’s and to our country.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:56 pmHey RemoveBush: What’s the inside word on Crumpy here? Why am I intuitively getting very strange vibes about this one?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:56 pmWhoa, now c’mon, Zooey. I’m a Republican-lite. I have the values, you see. I’m simply suggesting that Mrs. Plame should utilize the values of her own party to make some hot $$$$$$cash$$$$$.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
I see no evidence of decent values, CT.
BTW, Ms Plame wrote a book, but the CIA won’t release it so it may be published, even though all of the information contained in that book has long been declassified.
More Republican values-lite.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:56 pmWhile I agree that Libby is taking the fall instead of the real criminals, he is guilty and should do the time.
If he is pardoned, or somehow gets off, this send the wrong message to the next skinny whore who is asked to lie and obstruct justice with the promise of a pardon if they cooperate.
Surely even the hard core Neocons would agree that it would be a travesty if any crime could be covered up as easily as a promised pardon.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:57 pmComment by RemoveBush — June 14, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Rape is a crime no matter where or when or to whom it is done. Regardless of your feelings about Libby your hope that he gets raped requires someone to be that rapist. If you are sure that he is in fact a traitor then you need to petition the court and let them know that Libby in your opinion should be “raped†as his just punishment.
In a civilized country a traitor would be hung or shot but torture and rape are left to barbarians. By what you wrote it is clear that you are barbaric and like a child torturing an animal you would see that this is how US prisoners are treated too. I hope that you never wind up as someone’s bitch in the big house but if you do don’t post here about it since posters here would also like public stoning, shark feeding and the death of 1000 cuts!
June 14th, 2007 at 2:59 pm“What’s the inside word on Crumpy here? Why am I intuitively getting very strange vibes about this one?
Comment by veritas — June 14, 2007 @ 2:56 pm”
I don’t know…..
I understand the point he/she is trying to make, but they refuse to acknoledge that Libby prevented the culprits from being outed, which makes him party to the crime against my country….
If it was some other crime, I would be agreeing with Crumpy….. However, there should be NO forgiveness for TREASON. Even if he did not do it directly, he is preventing the investigation from moving forward and is part of it…..
June 14th, 2007 at 3:00 pmThe end of prison rape jokes and fantasies regarding Scooter Libby would be very appreciated by me, and probably others on this board.
Thank you.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:00 pmLastly, you have made enemies. Trust me on this.
Comment by smafdy — June 14, 2007
You’re making that contention over a computer? You’re claiming that out of the prism of political speak? Sorry, can’t refer to you for sentencing guidelines. I wouldn’t make the mistake of trusting someone with a loony premise, ever.
I guess you’re just one of those radical types. Nobody was mentioning race here by the way, so that’s what makes your argument loony. You apparently lack the ability to keep yourself in line while arguing, so you are disqualified.
That’s right, law-abiding American families and individuals need their guns to arm themselves against non-law-abiders. You can’t argue against that. Run along now…
June 14th, 2007 at 3:00 pmComment by smafdy
Nice try.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:02 pmveritas,
“What’s the inside word on Crumpy here? Why am I intuitively getting very strange vibes about this one?”
If there’s something you want to know just ask. Is it so wierd that I don’t want those of us here, who for the most see the world in a similar light, to start advocating rape of a convicted criminal? Is that strange? If it is I’m sorry. But I wont back down from that stance.
What ‘vibe’ are you getting exactly veritas?
June 14th, 2007 at 3:03 pmmargaret @ 113
June 14th, 2007 at 3:03 pmVal Plame was responsible for reporting on Iranian nuclear progress/WMD. When that bit came out 2 years ago, and the MSM buried the potentially horrible consequences – ie, everyone in the firm and all contacts outed as CIA, perhaps outed to their deaths – I think we all suspected that this was THE MAIN REASON for her outing, the reason for the lurking treason charge.
So much more handy for pResident Cheney to lie about something he knows nothing about. That way it’s not lying. See?
Zooey,
“The end of prison rape jokes and fantasies regarding Scooter Libby would be very appreciated by me, and probably others on this board.
Thank you.”
Agreed. That’s all I’ve been saying, and now veritas has ’strange vibes’ about me. Go figure.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI’m sorry, did we imprison a fugitive violent rapist today? It must be the only way all of you could be this excited.
If it’s a fugitive violent rapists, liberals cry for clemency.
If it’s a Republican, anti capital punishment liberals cry for the death penalty.
Odd, really.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:05 pmDO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT COLLECT $200.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:05 pm“In a civilized country a traitor would be hung or shot but torture and rape are left to barbarians. By what you wrote it is clear that you are barbaric and like a child torturing an animal you would see that this is how US prisoners are treated too. I hope that you never wind up as someone’s bitch in the big house but if you do don’t post here about it since posters here would also like public stoning, shark feeding and the death of 1000 cuts
Comment by freedomrings — June 14, 2007 @ 2:59 pm”
Barbaric??? If I could be given a day with this man in a room, then you would see barbaric…… I would do things worse than anything the CIA has done to people they have torchered…..
He is a TRAITOR, therefore neither deserves or requires any civil consideration.
I guess I love my country enough to do what ever it takes to protect it…… I guess you are just fine with allowing TRAITORS to buck the system and get away with it????
I AM NOT!!!
Call it what you will, but I call it PATRIOTISM……
I took an oath to “protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foriegn or DOMESTIC”.
Just because I don’t wear the uniform anymore does not mean that I am not required to stand by my oath.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI fear that Crumpy here is a case of “he who doth protest too muchâ€â€¦.humm….(concern troll perhaps?). I find his continuous reference to the prison environment quite pathological at this point. Get over it, dude and move your head out of your own bunghole. By belaboring the issue to which you protest so much, you are encouraging it. Foolish behavior on your part.
Comment by veritas — June 14, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
I see you are the TP posting police. You practice the same posting method you accuse Crumpy of and then encourage other group-thinkers like yourself to post against Crumpy. Your methods are similar to those of the Gestapo!
June 14th, 2007 at 3:06 pmGet over it dude!
Liberal logic:
Pardoning Marc Rich = good!
June 14th, 2007 at 3:09 pmPardoning Rostentowski = good!
Pardoning Susan McDougal = good!
Pardoning Roger Clinton = good!
Throw a kid in jail for years for having consensual sex with a minor, but defend the actions of a sycophant who is responsible for sending thousands of soldiers to their death for a lie.
Odd really…….
And disgusting.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:09 pmValerie can go to the private sector and make $$millions$$ modeling and strutting her Democratic stuff.
They found the leaker. The leaker was Armitage. Armitage sits on the board of ConacoPhillips. Libby goes to prison.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 14, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
So “Valerie” can’t continue to serve her country because the administration decided they needed her “outed”. This is hard for you neocons to understand but for some it’s not all about “money”. Some people serve because they love their country and feel it’s an honor to serve.
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, look it up. They couldn’t do a thorough investigation because of Scooter’s “obstruction of justice”, get it?
And I don’t need to hear the bullcrap about how you aren’t a neocon and you don’t even vote. You are what you DO and you support neocons at every turn.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:09 pmPoor ComTROLLER – sucks to be you today. The rest of the world rejoices.
Comment by powkat
“I would rather fail in a cause that will ultimately triumph than to triumph in a cause that ultimately fails.”
-Comment by Woodrow Wilson
June 14th, 2007 at 3:09 pmveritas,
“By belaboring the issue to which you protest so much, you are encouraging it. Foolish behavior on your part.”
I disagree. I guess I believe in the idea that if the cure for speech you don’t like (or the cure for bad ideas) is better and louder speech. I could just be quiet and let people think that we on the left promote prison rape, but I wont be quiet about such horrible ideas.
I apologize if it bothers you. But I don’t apologize for doing it.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:10 pmCT
June 14th, 2007 at 3:12 pmSo you believe in legal “Mulligans”?
You are so awesome!
So you commit some felonies, defraud the legal system of the government for which you work, and you should be let go because of all the years of work you did for that governmental system you were just convicted of screwing over?
That makes absolutely no sense.
If it’s a fugitive violent rapists, liberals cry for clemency.
If it’s a Republican, anti capital punishment liberals cry for the death penalty.
Odd, really.
Comment by m12 — June 14, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
Nice job just pulling sh!t out of your a$$!
June 14th, 2007 at 3:13 pmCIA Veterans Write to RNC of Their Concern Over Republican Threat to Rule of Law
As former intelligence officers—most of us have served the United States in undercover positions—we are saddened and appalled by the recent public comments of former Senator Fred Thompson, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and former Governor Mitt Romney—one a potential candidate and the other two declared candidates for the Republican nomination for President–with respect to the perjury and obstruction of justice conviction of Vice President Cheney’s Chief of Staff, Lewis “Scooter†Libby.
These men misrepresent the case against Mr. Libby and call into question the integrity of a respected Federal Judge and U.S. attorney.
Their positions with respect to the just and fair punishment meted out to Mr. Libby raise serious questions about their commitment to the rule of law free of partisan bias.
(this is where Thompson is quoted repeating all the false talking points we’ve all heard many times)
The factual errors in Mr. Thompson’s statement are almost as egregious as his partisan view that perjury and obstruction of justice are not serious crimes. For example, Thompson states that there is something implausible about sending Ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate reports that Iraq was trying to buy yellow cake uranium. In fact, Ambassador Wilson was uniquely qualified for the mission. Having served as the acting Ambassador in Iraq and faced down Saddam Hussein, Ambassador Wilson also was the Director of Africa in the National Security Council and had served as an Ambassador in west Africa and monitored the uranium mining activity of the country where he was stationed.
Former Senator Thompson persists with the lie that there was no “violation†of the intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA). But his claim is debunked by Federal Judge Reginald Walton and Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who, after reviewing the classified personnel file of Valerie Plame Wilson, stated that she was in fact covered by the IIPA when Robert Novak printed her name in July of 2003.
It also is important to correct the record that Valerie Wilson did not suggest sending her husband to Niger. She responded to an inquiry from her supervisor and provided a memo laying out his capabilities. The decision to send Ambassador Wilson to Niger was made by a senior official in the Counter Proliferation Division of the CIA. Fred Thompson also is factually wrong by claiming that Joe Wilson returned from the trip, “and proceeded to publicly blast the administrationâ€.
This is not true. Ambassador Wilson made no public statements critical of the Administration’s claims about the alleged purchase of yellowcake uranium until May of 2003—more than 15 months after returning from the trip and only after the President made the specious claim in the State of the Union address.
Our concern about Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney is narrower but important—are these men committed to a rule of law free of partisan influence? During the last Republican debate Rudy Giuliani said that:
he’d have to wait for the appeals process to play out to see if Libby met the criteria for a pardon. However, the former federal prosecutor said he believes the sentence imposed on Libby was “way out of line.”
Mr. Giuliani had a different standard for charges of perjury and obstruction of justice on September 11, 1987: (when he said)
“A sentence of one year seemed to me to be very lenient,” (regarding a person who was convicted of committing perjury before a grand jury investigating corruption in the city.
Mr. Romney’s statement is more outrageous. He accused Patrick Fitzgerald of abusing “prosecutorial discretion.”
The case against Mr. Libby is straightforward. He blocked the efforts of Federal agents to investigate the leak of the identity of an undercover CIA officer who was covered by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Mr. Libby lied to Federal law enforcement officials
investigating the leak. Most importantly, Mr. Libby was convicted in a fair trial of perjury and obstruction of justice.
This is not an issue of Republican versus Democrat. The signatories of this letter include registered Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. We believe that Republicans and Democrats alike must commit themselves to upholding the rule of law and refusing to use clandestine CIA officers as a political football. In this regard we find that the recent comments by Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney sadly wanting and unworthy of the highest elected office in the United States…
Good intelligence should not be a partisan issue. It is a professional obligation of intelligence officers to provide politicians with the best information and their best judgment. And it is the professional obligation of politicians to uphold the rule of law and ensure that the Constitution of the United States is upheld and enforced. On this critical issue we believe that the statements by Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney … undermine public respect for the judicial system.
Respectfully yours,
June 14th, 2007 at 3:13 pmRay Close, Directorate of Operations
James Marcinkowski, Directorate of Operations
Philip Giraldi, Directorate of Operations
Michael Grimaldi, Directorate of Intelligence
Ray McGovern, Directorate of Intelligence
Melvin Goodman, Directorate of Intelligence
Larry Johnson, Directorate of Intelligence
David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council
Yes. Over a computer. Just like you do.
I am claiming that because you belong to a political organization that creates an enemy out of everyone and everything that opposes it. it just so happens that you have made enemies of the majority of the american public. You have made the enemies – not me. You are our enemy because that’s what you told us you are.
Sentencing guidelines? WTF?
I am not radical – I’m firmly in the majority.
You don’t need to mention race, you disingenuous thug – I’m a white boy – I know exactly what you meant.
I got disqualified by you? Ha!
“That’s right, law-abiding American families and individuals need their guns to arm themselves against non-law-abiders.”
So, now you’re advocating that we shoot the Convict “Libby”? I’m with you on that.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:14 pmNevermind that – if I have it archived correctly – at least one of Libby’s jury-peers felt sympathy and actually suggested a pardon. I’ll google it. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
BUT she judged him GUILTY. She felt sorry for him because she thought he was taking the fall for the big fish. Not because she thought he didn’t obstruct justice. Of course he could have told what he knew under oath and walked but he chose not too … DON’T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN’T DO THE TIME!
June 14th, 2007 at 3:14 pm“That’s not too much to ask for a man who’s been a faithful citizen”
unfortunately that ‘faith’ is to the office of the vice-president.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:14 pmComment by m12
Remember how Liberals were crying for clemency in California for some guy who killed four people (executed Dec. 2005)? He scribbled some cheap, no-selling childrens books, so that apparently called for the commuting of his sentence. That was amusing in a way, but not to the victims families.
Scooter Libby – 30 years of faithful government service, people in here call for “prison rape.” Yet they believe they nothing is honestly wrong with them.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:14 pmComment by RemoveBush — June 14, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
This is why you are nothing more than a sadistic loud mouth posting useless fantasy on the internet of what you would do to this person if you could. You are a thug and possibly a rapist as well. Who in the world would encourage rape other than a looser such as you?
If I were the judge I believe I would have applied the same sentence as the prosecutor demanded to this criminal but I would never stoop to the level of barbarity you and those like you condone. Decent people rise above acts of animal aggression and in fact 2 wrongs never make a right! Rape is always a crime and nothing you can say will change that fact.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:15 pm“If it’s a fugitive violent rapists, liberals cry for clemency.”
are you referring to mike huckabee? you know he’s not a liberal, right?
June 14th, 2007 at 3:16 pmfreedomrings,
THANKS FOR BEING SANE!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 3:17 pmUnless we have some Trolls here that support criminals..
If we are all here for the same reasons…
What We’re Fighting Against:
Corrupt Establishment
Incompetent Establishment
Braindead Media
Radical Right-Wing Agenda
why all the in fighting…?
Another new post..
June 14th, 2007 at 3:18 pm–> Justice Dept. IG Investigating Possible Gonzales Obstruction Of Justice Incident
http://thinkprogress.org
I’m so glad to hear this, even if he isn’t the guy who should be off to prison. Maybe he’s making an emergency call to Patrick Fitzgerald for a little chat….maybe offer some minor details he left out the first few times….
Comment by loretta
Normally, those convicted of federal crimes who cooperate go to the “nice” federal prisons, and those who don’t help prosecutors get the “big fish” they’re really after go to the bad prisons like Statesville in Illinois. He still has time to talk.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:18 pmComment by smafdy
No, we should shoot violent criminals in the act. Common sense, please.
And by the way, you can’t identify my political setting, so please don’t speculate. My opinions of Libby’s sentence have nothing to do with his political affiliation nor that of his former bosses.
A pardon is coming, please stop wasting your time.
Next, response to Shane:
I admit that he’s guilty. I simply don’t believe he should be getting that kind of sentence.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:20 pm30 years of quasi-public service capped by an act of conspiracy to commit treason.
Nice.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:21 pm“Comment by freedomrings — June 14, 2007 @ 3:15 pm”
Go sit in your corner and suck your thumb!!!!!!
In a NORMAL situation, you would be correct!
However, this man is part of a bunch of people in the WH who committed TREASON!!!
Here since you don’t seem to understand what that means:
# a crime that undermines the offender’s government
# disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior
# treachery: an act of deliberate betrayal
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
# In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one’s nation. A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran’s Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: “…[a]…citizen’s actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation].”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason
# A Planet Called Treason, a science fiction novel by Orson Scott Card, was originally published in 1979 by St Martin’s Press and Dell Publishing Co. After being heavily revised, the book was republished in 1988 under the title Treason by St. Martin’s Press.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_(novel)
# betraying one’s country, whether in peacetime or during a war. Allowing (or hiring?) a group of terrorists to attack the largest buildings in the nation’s largest city and the military’s headquarters is an act of treason.
http://www.oilempire.us/dictionary.html
# the betrayal of one’s country.
library.thinkquest.org/J003358F/terms.html
# A crime against the government of a country. When citizens of a country try to set up their own government and get rid of the government in power, they are often charged with treason.
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/confederation/kids/h2-1800-e.html
Now if you are willing to allow a TRAITOR to just recieve a slap on the wrist, then YOU are NOT a true American……. As I have stated already, he may not be convicted of TREASON, but he has prevented Fitz from obtaining the truth and charging the person(s) involved, which makes him JUST AS GUILTY!!!
If someone is going to committ TREASON against my country they deserve anything and everything that can be given to them. They deserve nothing for respect or decency…
They have become the animals, and when in Rome…….
June 14th, 2007 at 3:22 pmI think the Bureau of Prisons should select ADMAX – out there in Colorado…you know, near Aspen.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:22 pmhow is it “faithful government service” when he committed crimes against the very government employing him?
June 14th, 2007 at 3:22 pm“(â€why just this mornin’ I had to shoot 2 of them goddamn niggas from my deck.â€)”
Nope, you brought up race. The evidence is there. Liberals factor race into everything, even sentencing. You’ve got dirt as well.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:24 pmRemoveBush,
“Now if you are willing to allow a TRAITOR to just recieve a slap on the wrist, then YOU are NOT a true American”
If you are willing to try and convict a man of a crime, without due process of law, then you are not a true american either. Your logic is the justification the administration is using to house ‘enemy combatants’. Just because you think he is guilty of treason, doesn’t make him guilty of treason. He must be tried in a court and found guilty by a jury of peers first. Your judgement is not enough. Thankfully!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 3:25 pm30 years of sniffing up his patron’s butt, slopping at the trough, carrrying out his master’s orders. No reason for leniency here.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:25 pmComment by Wilco
Alrighty, Wilco. The deserved pardon is coming, so be on the look out for me.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:25 pmScooter Libby – 30 years of faithful government service…..
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
What about Valerie Plame’s many years of faithful government service?
I don’t see you grieving over her lost career.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:26 pmSo much more handy for pResident Cheney to lie about something he knows nothing about. That way it’s not lying. See?
Comment by OleHippieChick — June 14, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
Yes, unfortunately, I do see. This time they won’t even have to say that they had faulty intelligence ‘cuz they won’t have any!
What do you think about the latest claims – that Iran is arming the Taliban?
“Iran and the Taliban, once mortal enemies, are now supposedly cooperating. Or maybe they’re not cooperating. It’s hard to tell, but it certainly sounds familiar.”
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/06/the_iran_taliba.html
June 14th, 2007 at 3:26 pmCT I still don’t think you’ve made a solid case for a “deserved” pardon
June 14th, 2007 at 3:28 pmAlthough I am inclined to agree he will be granted one
CT, Scooter ain’t getting that pardon anytime soon — if ever.
UPDATE III: Response from White House Deputy Press Secretary Dana Perino:
Have your illusions/delusions been pierced?
June 14th, 2007 at 3:28 pm30 years of quasi-public service capped by an act of conspiracy to commit treason.
Nice.
Comment by smafdy
Again, that’s your interpretation. One more example of why your celebrations are politically motivated. You can’t comment on Mr. Libby’s professional experience, you wouldn’t know that, so don’t attempt to smear this fine man.
Thank you for your opinion.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:28 pmYes. I can. You are a neocon (maybe calling yourself a conservative), Republican, Troll. You are a political apologist for an ideology that seeks to reduce the size of the US government (the People), so that you may strangle it (us) in a bathtub.
You, I believe, are an enemy of the Constitution, as well as a traitor to your country.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:28 pm“how is it “faithful government service†when he committed crimes against the very government employing him?
Comment by Wilco — June 14, 2007″
he was ‘faithful’—faithful to his party (to a fault, as it turned out).
June 14th, 2007 at 3:28 pmWhy does the president feel terrible for Scooter?
June 14th, 2007 at 3:29 pmDidn’t he say that those involved with this mess should be and would be punished?
“You can’t comment on Mr. Libby’s professional experience, you wouldn’t know that, so don’t attempt to smear this fine man.”
but you can comment on it, that he’s a ‘fine man’?
June 14th, 2007 at 3:31 pmYou can’t comment on Mr. Libby’s professional experience, you wouldn’t know that, so don’t attempt to smear this fine man.
Thank you for your opinion.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
You CAN comment on Libby’s profession experience?
June 14th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI hardly think so, CT. No more than anyone else here.
Comment by Zooey
I have admiration for Mrs. Plame. She does has a civil suit, however, so that should award her some damages. While she did lose the ability to perform her specific duties, however, she made the ultimate choice to leave Government service.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:32 pmComment by Zooey
He gained an eventual promotion to WH Chief of Staff. He was a great employee with a good record. Democrats and Republicans alike respected his intelligent qualities. A smear campaign is without merit and his service should have been enough to spare him any immediate prison time.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:34 pm“If you are willing to try and convict a man of a crime, without due process of law, then you are not a true american either. Your logic is the justification the administration is using to house ‘enemy combatants’. Just because you think he is guilty of treason, doesn’t make him guilty of treason. He must be tried in a court and found guilty by a jury of peers first. Your judgement is not enough. Thankfully!!!
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 14, 2007 @ 3:25 pm”
Here are the FACTS, since you seem to have been alseep all this time…..
TREASON has been committed by this administration…… Libby is the one preventing the law from finding the truth.
The FACTS have already shown that TREASON is beyond a DOUBT. Therefore, since Libby is preventing the parties involved from being brought to trial he is as guilty as them.
I’m all for the law, I SERVED MY COUNTRY TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION and when someone turns on my country then there is no mercy!
You can say what you want, but the FACTS are TREASON has been committed and Libby is preventing the people from being charged. He is JUST AS GUILTY!!!!
Oh, and your logic is worse than mine….. Your logic is that even though we know they are doing it we will not hold investigations to get to the truth….. Your logic is that even though we have evidence and that silly thing called FACTS, then it does not exist because a court did not rule on it.
Thank god it’s not up to you either, because you would burry your head back in the sand and let the Constitution be destroyed because your yellow bellied….
June 14th, 2007 at 3:36 pmComment by smafdy
More speculation, I see. Thank you soooo much for your enlightening commentary.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:36 pmCompTROLLER –
Do you even know what a straw man is? Why do you continue to use them if you know they make your arguments sound ignorant.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:37 pmDid the president ever express any sorrow (or anything else) for Mr. and Mrs. Wilson?
didn’t think so.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:37 pmComment by Crump’s Brother — June 14, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
I am no Libby fan and I am no fan of sadistic moron posters looking for “heart sacrificesâ€. Clearly societies are partly judged on how they treat their prisoners and their poor. How can prisoners return to society if posters like this encourage acts that would land them in jail in the first place? It isn’t a defense of Libby thing but instead the statement that “rape is a crime no matter where or when or to whom it is done!†Encouraging that are instigators like these who are no better than George Bush in his instigating war. Group-thinkers all of them!
June 14th, 2007 at 3:37 pmHaven’t you heard of a deal? Border drug-smugglers sometime to one helping federal prosecutors wrongfully try border patrol agents. That’s right, they get freed from prosecution despite their drug hording.
The deal: No prison time and probation. That’s not too much to ask for a man who’s been a faithful citizen and Government employee all his years before this took place.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
You have to cut that deal before you’re convicted. He’s been faithful to this administration not to the American people. And Valerie Plame was doing much more to protect the US than Scooter ever did. Why don’t you go collect your troll check and STFU.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:38 pmare you referring to mike huckabee? you know he’s not a liberal, right?
Nope, I was referring to all the whiners who kept bugging then Governor George W. Bush to spare the lives of convicted murderers!
Guess you didn’t mind him overruling the justice system then.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:38 pmComment by Zooey
Scooter may not receive a pardon any time soon, but you can’t take the word of some spokesperson on it. Is this the only time you see them to be honest?
He could be pardoned the day before he is to report to prison. He could be pardoned the day after the 2008 presidential election. He could be pardoned the day before he leaves office. He may never be pardoned at all. We’ll have to wait and see.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:39 pmMore speculation, I see. Thank you soooo much for your enlightening commentary.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
People who commit felonies do not get a pass because they’re “nice guys.” Or competent. If I’m convicted of embezzling from my employer, should I get a walk because I’m a nice guy?
You just want to give him a pass because you like his politics, and because Scooter’s a swell fellow. A peach.
He can continue to be a peach in the slammer.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:41 pmRemoveBush,
“Your logic is that even though we have evidence and that silly thing called FACTS, then it does not exist because a court did not rule on it.”
Not true. I believe the facts are there. The problem is in the interpretation of the law by those who have been charged to uphold it. If the duly selected prosecutor, who after an exhaustive investigation, found that he/she did not have the proper evidence to get a conviction, then they cannot and should not bring charges. Thats called due process. You are not the judge nor the jury. Nether am I.
I agree with you that Libby is the link to a prosecution of a bigger crime. But until that time comes, he is only guilty of perjury and obstruction. And because you ‘feel’ that he is guilty of something worse, doesn’t mean he deserves to be raped. But I think at this point we should agree to disagree.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:41 pmI’m not sure why so many wingnuts are so ignorant that they can’t see the difference between opposition to the death penalty and overruling the justice system.
Strange lack of logic.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:42 pmComment by shane
Go apply for electroshock therapy and look for fewer “whippersnappers” to hunt down. Oldie.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:42 pmm12,
“Nope, I was referring to all the whiners who kept bugging then Governor George W. Bush to spare the lives of convicted murderers!”
This doesn’t mean that people wanted those ‘murderers’ pardoned. THere is a difference you know.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThe deal: No prison time and probation. That’s not too much to ask for a man who’s been a faithful citizen and Government employee all his years before this took place.
No deals for those who commit treason.
Next.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:44 pm#191
Spin, spin, spin! He would still be overruling the ruling of a impartial jury!
June 14th, 2007 at 3:44 pmComment by gummitch
Thanks for your weak speculation. Scooter can still be convicted, but as I’ve stated before, his government service should factor in to spare him prison time.
Next gofer.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:44 pmOh, and your logic is worse than mine….. Your logic is that even though we know they are doing it we will not hold investigations to get to the truth….. Your logic is that even though we have evidence and that silly thing called FACTS, then it does not exist because a court did not rule on it.
Thank god it’s not up to you either, because you would burry your head back in the sand and let the Constitution be destroyed because your yellow bellied….
Comment by RemoveBush — June 14, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
By your logic the rendition flights are acceptable too. You are confusing “logic†and “morals†odds are since you have no morals! You happen to be the coward and that could be because you condone rape and violence. Torture, rape and violence breed more torture, rape and violence and if you condone those acts then how can anyone who would rape your own wife or child be punished as a rapist. You will only reap what you sew.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:46 pmComment by trex
No deals for liberals who seek to use political revenge in sentencing. In your mind, this probably has nothing to do with treason. Political hack.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:46 pmBusy day taking on all of these “justice-craving” liberals, heh m12?
June 14th, 2007 at 3:47 pmCompTROLLER
Didn’t he just say this has to do with treason. Now you projecting your thoughts onto other comments. Nice. Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker. I don’t even think that last one counted as a rebuttal.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:49 pm“By your logic the rendition flights are acceptable too. You are confusing “logic†and “morals†odds are since you have no morals! You happen to be the coward and that could be because you condone rape and violence. Torture, rape and violence breed more torture, rape and violence and if you condone those acts then how can anyone who would rape your own wife or child be punished as a rapist. You will only reap what you sew.
Comment by freedomrings — June 14, 2007 @ 3:46 pm”
WRONG!!!!!!
Did the rendition flights commit TREASON??? NO!!!!
So tell me NITWIT…… Did YOU ever serve your country?????
There is NO mercy on TREASON!!!!!
NONE…..
NADA……
ZIP…..
ZILTCH……
ZERO…….
If you feel that you want to give them a pass, then YOU are NOT an American…..
Once they crossed that ultimate line, there are no boundries.
If, and I’m guessing you didn’t, serve your country then you would and could never know what I am talking about.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:50 pmI guess that would put you in opposition to justice craving. Making you what…..
At least try to formulate an argument.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:51 pm#199
So why exactly are Padilla and John Walker Lindh still alive?
June 14th, 2007 at 3:52 pmIn your mind, this probably has nothing to do with treason. Political hack.
Bwa haha haha ha ha! Yes, your weak-attempt at mind-reading and what I “probably” think definitely put me in my place.
Lameass sociopath.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:53 pmThanks for your weak speculation. Scooter can still be convicted, but as I’ve stated before, his government service should factor in to spare him prison time.
Next gofer.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Why? Are you going to be arguing for a light sentence or pardon for William Jefferson?
I didn’t speculate at all, nimrod. These are the facts: “government service” doesn’t earn anyone a pass for felonies. You’re the one speculating, because you have provided absolutely no rationale for why it should.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:54 pmSo why exactly are Padilla and John Walker Lindh still alive?
Comment by m12
And CarrotTop!? (he commits comedic treason)
June 14th, 2007 at 3:55 pmYou can’t comment on Mr. Libby’s professional experience, you wouldn’t know that, so don’t attempt to smear this fine man.
Thank you for your opinion.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
You CAN comment on Libby’s profession experience?
I hardly think so, CT. No more than anyone else here.
Comment by Zooey
Sure CT know Zooey. He gets his talking points from KKK Rove every day and Rove told him that Scooter was just the best little worker the US Govt. has ever seen. And everybody in CT’s peer group knows that Rove doesn’t lie because they are a bunch of delusional sycophants only worried about their future positions and so on and so on and so on.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:56 pm“So why exactly are Padilla and John Walker Lindh still alive?
Comment by m12 — June 14, 2007 @ 3:52 pm”
They did not committ TREASON….
It has been PROVEN that Padilla was not even guilty of what he was initially charged with……
Lindh, was not proven to be aiding anyone….. He was captured in a conflict zone……
If there is PROOF that they committed treason, then the same should happen to them. However, unlike the Plame case there is ZERO eveidence that treason has been committed……
With Libby we have a CIA operative outed and who knows how many operatives that have been captured, killed, and certainly no longer viable.
Nice staw man mr. Republican, but there is no comparison between a trumped up charge and a man who blocks an investigation into an act of TREASON.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:57 pmShane, apparently you didn’t see CT’s previous post.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:58 pmHe suggested that by pardoning Libby, the President would free up some time for the Justice Dept to go after Rove.
#206
Love the double standard:
Lying is treason.
Associating with the post 911 Taliban and Al Qaeda is not.
So much for NO MERCY.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:00 pmGo apply for electroshock therapy and look for fewer “whippersnappers†to hunt down. Oldie.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
What did I say to upset you “little one”?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:05 pmWRONG!!!!!!
Did the rendition flights commit TREASON??? NO!!!!
So tell me NITWIT…… Did YOU ever serve your country?????
There is NO mercy on TREASON!!!!!
NONE…..
NADA……
ZIP…..
ZILTCH……
ZERO…….
If you feel that you want to give them a pass, then YOU are NOT an American…..
Once they crossed that ultimate line, there are no boundries.
If, and I’m guessing you didn’t, serve your country then you would and could never know what I am talking about.
Comment by RemoveBush — June 14, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Yes I have even though that is none of your concern. You are as much a criminal as Libby is since you are openly instigating rape and violence. You have no moral compass and continue to prove that you are sadistic. Treason is not the official charge but if it were and Libby was found guilty than he would receive life in prison or the death penalty. There is no torture sentence or rape sentence though if it were in an Arabic country he might be stoned to death.
Since you pretend to support the US Constitution when is it that you will lead the National Revolt against the Government since if Libby is a traitor and so are his bosses the only solution is a revolt. You post here but in general don’t do much in the way of getting the nation back on track and your lack of action is costing lives. When will you defend the Constitution and uphold its moral principals or are you a traitor like Libby?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:05 pm“What did I say to upset you “little oneâ€?
Comment by shane — June 14, 2007″
did you mention that he’s prime fighting age?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pmShane, apparently you didn’t see CT’s previous post.
He suggested that by pardoning Libby, the President would free up some time for the Justice Dept to go after Rove.
Comment by Wilco
Yeah, CT is having delusions of grandeur today. He believes he is running the world. The best way for Justice to go after Rove is to send Scooter to Statesville, a federal prison comparable to a state prison facility. And every time he cooperates he gets moved up to a “nicer” prison.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:10 pm“Comment by m12 — June 14, 2007 @ 4:00 pm”
Hey nitwit…..
No double standard…..
If you want it to be a double standard, then let’s torcher the $hit out of Libby then things will be equal and what I say could then be considered a double standard.
The ONLY reason Lynd is in prison is because he did not have a choice but to say he worked with the taliban….. If he would have gone against it the govt. would have fabricated more stuff and would have denied even more about his torcher, so what would he have gained????? The law was stacked against him, yet you think it’s fine that for someone who may be innocent he is torchered and forced to make a statement that may or maynot be true only so that he can receive a shorter senence.
That’s like comparing a 17 year old having consentual sex with a 15 year old and a 30 year old rapping a 15 year old. Calling them both the same crime (Rape), that is what YOU are doing here…..
They are NOT the same crime in any shape or form.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:11 pmm12 does not have an argument for the release of Libby, so he continues to try and the change the subject. What a tool.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:13 pmWhat did I say to upset you “little one�
Comment by shane — June 14, 2007″
did you mention that he’s prime fighting age?
Comment by pgw
No but I wouldn’t wish CT on any of our troops. I see him crying like Paris Hilton in the slammer. Apparently I’m tougher than he is and I’m an old woman as he pointed out. He thinks because I told him to shut up I abuse my child. Could you see him with a drill sargeant?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThe Rule of Law isn’t dead yet. I hope.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:14 pmif Libby is a traitor and so are his bosses the only solution is a revolt.
Actually no, there are any number of solutions up to and including impeachment, not the least of which and the most politically intelligent is to simply wait them out and get a Democrat elected President.
At that time the decision could be made whether or not to pursue the matter further.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:14 pmHi!
I was wondering where all the trolls were!
Looks like your Defender in Chief ain’t gonna come to the rescue of poor lil Scooter!
June 14th, 2007 at 4:15 pmAnd the Justice Department you thought Alberto had so well greased up sounds like it’s got more rock than gravel in its gears!
Heh heh heh!
m12 does not have an argument for the release of Libby, so he continues to try and the change the subject. What a tool.
I have no problems with our system of justice. Walton is a good judge, not some Clinton moonbat.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThe ONLY reason Lynd is in prison is because he did not have a choice but to say he worked with the taliban….. If he would have gone against it the govt. would have fabricated more stuff and would have denied even more about his torcher, so what would he have gained????? The law was stacked against him, yet you think it’s fine that for someone who may be innocent he is torchered and forced to make a statement that may or maynot be true only so that he can receive a shorter senence.
You mean like Scooter Libby may be innocent of actually leaking anyone’s name?
Well, you’ve utterly dismissed that possibility.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:17 pmLibby supporters sound like a who’s who of the rich and powerful plus threats to the Judges life. No investigation by the FBI needed on this one as we know the people that threaten Judge Walton are Bush supporters too. Even Pat Fitzgerald’s life might have been threaten but Gonzales see no problem with that. If only Karl Rove had worked faster in replacing Fitzgerald, Libby would have never been charged for his crimes. The Hammer is holding out for help for the White House on his crimes. Fingers Foley is free to continue to molest young boys and he has the protection of the Attorney General. Good to see how the Bush Administration is looking to make crime legal for friends of the White House. The innocent people in Gitmo should say they are Republcians and support the Bush Administration crime family then they can get released.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:17 pm“Comment by freedomrings — June 14, 2007 @ 4:05 pm”
GO F^CK YOURSELF…….
My moral compass is just fine….. If this was pertaining to the USA’s there would be no such comments from me regarding Libby having his a$$ ripped to shreds by the biggest DICK that can be found…….
You need to shut the F^CK up about my moral compass…… Just because I love my country enough to stand up for it, and YOU just want to stand back and say…. “Oh, now that’s not nice”…..
It sounds like you were a sailor and maybe had one to many parties in your own butt, because you are acting like this is hitting a bad memory for you.
I have probably done more in the last week then you have done in the last 6 years to try and protect our Constitution…..
June 14th, 2007 at 4:19 pm“You mean like Scooter Libby may be innocent of actually leaking anyone’s name?
Well, you’ve utterly dismissed that possibility.
Comment by m12 — June 14, 2007 @ 4:17 pm”
He may not have leaked the name, but he is preventing JUSTICE from finding the facts! THEREFORE, he is part of the crime which now makes him a TRAITOR!
I guess you can’t read and comprehend???
June 14th, 2007 at 4:20 pmHe may not have leaked the name, but he is preventing JUSTICE from finding the facts! THEREFORE, he is part of the crime which now makes him a TRAITOR!
I guess you can’t read and comprehend???
Obstructing justice hardly makes one a traitor, or part of any underlying crime. At least not according to US laws, anyway, don’t know what country you are from.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:24 pm“Obstructing justice hardly makes one a traitor, or part of any underlying crime. At least not according to US laws, anyway, don’t know what country you are from.
Comment by m12 — June 14, 2007 @ 4:24 pm”
When the FACTS are that a WH official leaked the name of a COVERT NOC CIA agent, and Libby is obstructing justice to protect them it does……
He then becomes part of the TRAITOROUS act at that point.
Thats like saying just because the officers partner was standing right beside the other officer as the one officer beat the crap out of the susspect does not make him guilty of the crime as well…. WRONG! Courts have found that if a party does not prevent, or in this case prevents the crime from being discovered they are just as guilty….
Since TREASON has been committed by someone in the WH, Libby is just as guilty for OBSTRUCTING justice in the matter.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:28 pmm12 – Actually that is another straw man. We all know that he wasn’t found guilty of any leak, but rather lying to FBI and perjury. What, exactly, is your argument?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThats like saying just because the officers partner was standing right beside the other officer as the one officer beat the crap out of the susspect does not make him guilty of the crime as well…. WRONG! Courts have found that if a party does not prevent, or in this case prevents the crime from being discovered they are just as guilty….
Proof?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:31 pmWait I want to play the straw man game too.
So obviously, m12, you think it’s OK to lie to the FBI and perjure ones self.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:32 pmIf there was no underlying crime, then why the coverup?
Scooter did the crime so now he does the time.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:33 pmActually that is another straw man. We all know that he wasn’t found guilty of any leak, but rather lying to FBI and perjury. What, exactly, is your argument?
Perjury is not treason, no matter how many bloodthirsty liberals think otherwise; and it will not be punished as such.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“Proof?
Comment by m12 — June 14, 2007 @ 4:31 pm”
GOOGLE!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 4:36 pm#231
I guess you have none.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:38 pmI believe it’s called Vicarious Liability. And yes under many circumstances parties that witnessed or were otherwise indirectly involved in a crime or violation can be held accountable.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:38 pm#230 – I agree, perjury is not treason (laugh). But do you agree with the jury that Libby obfuscated the crime of treason.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:40 pm#230 – Correction. Obfuscated their ability to determine if treason occurred.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:41 pm“Comment by ben — June 14, 2007 @ 4:41 pm”
ben, I understand your approach but there is no doubt that treason occured.
We have the CIA director stating that Plame was Cover, and Fitz has documents stating that she was Covert.
There is no question of treason, only who did it.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:43 pmIt is well established from his previous posts that m12 does not believe in the rule of law, but supports the unitary executive theory of his leader Bush. If you want a thorough recap of RNC talking points, turn to m12.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:43 pmGO F^CK YOURSELF…….
My moral compass is just fine….. If this was pertaining to the USA’s there would be no such comments from me regarding Libby having his a$$ ripped to shreds by the biggest DICK that can be found…….
You need to shut the F^CK up about my moral compass…… Just because I love my country enough to stand up for it, and YOU just want to stand back and say…. “Oh, now that’s not niceâ€â€¦..
It sounds like you were a sailor and maybe had one to many parties in your own butt, because you are acting like this is hitting a bad memory for you.
I have probably done more in the last week then you have done in the last 6 years to try and protect our Constitution…..
Comment by RemoveBush — June 14, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
See you lead off with more language that paints you in a negative light. Why should I read everything after the first phrase? You are no gentleman or scholar for that matter. I was a creature like you that was full of hatred, frustration and violence but then I grew up. Two wrongs never make a right and don’t throw stones when you live in a glass house are words of wisdom to live by!
You have no moral compass and lack courage to admit that you are nothing but despicable for condoning rape. Civilized men would never be part of rape at all. Rape is a criminal act no matter where or when or who commits it. Part of that would be the one getting raped and you want that to be Libby in this case. So then who does this raping?
You and your posts are utter nonsense by the way. If you are protecting the constitution you had better get over to the Senate before they pass the new gun legislation! My impression about you is that you are probably a rapist and that is partially because you mention it constantly and because you attempt to spin it as a “good thingâ€!
June 14th, 2007 at 4:44 pmhe’ll probably end up spending less than a year and a half in jail… honestly, I think he should just be happy with that relatively short sentence… bite the bullet, Libby…
he must really be afraid of prison…
June 14th, 2007 at 4:44 pmAn act of treason has been committed. Plame was covert. That is a fact.
m12, do you dispute this?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:46 pm“If you are protecting the constitution you had better get over to the Senate before they pass the new gun legislation! My impression about you is that you are probably a rapist and that is partially because you mention it constantly and because you attempt to spin it as a “good thingâ€!
Comment by freedomrings — June 14, 2007 @ 4:44 pm”
For what????? There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees the RIGHT to bear arms….
“Amendment 2 – Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
You left out a large portion of that Amendment before the clause “RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS”…… The defining part is “regulated Militia”.
My impression of you is that you have your head up your mommies a$$ and do not know what the real world is like….. Please ask your mom to yawn so you can see what daylight looks like.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:49 pm#234
Treason has a very specific and narrow definition, which is hardly covered by a CIA leak.
But Libby did obfuscate their ability to determine if there was a violation of the law.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:52 pmMy point is that if Republicans want to argue that THIS crime of lying to investigators and this crime of perjury are not serious infractions (or serious enough to warrant jail time which the outlines), when it prevented investigators from determining if a crime of treason occurred, then they are arguing that in THIS case they do not want to determine if a crime of treason.
I have a difficult time believing many Americans would make that argument.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:53 pmHere is an example of why your arguement about the “right to bear arms” is infact incorrect.
The LEADING statement says “A well regulated Militia”, and the rest following are clarification of that. Just like the following is:
Amendment 4 – Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
See how this starts out “The right of the people”?????
You don’t see that with Ammendment 2 now do you?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:54 pmPerjury is not treason, no matter how many bloodthirsty liberals think otherwise; and it will not be punished as such.
M12: I realize that they are two distinct issues but I am curious of where you were at with regards to the attempt by some folks to crucify a sitting president for misleading statements regarding personal issues. Did you feel that it was excessive and driven solely by ideological hatred for a successful president who enjoyed and continues to enjoy high ratings by those who elected him or were you more of one of those “it is about the rule of law” types. Just curious.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:54 pmYes, I believe we’re using the word treason as a general term of betrayal of the state and not the legal determination.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:55 pm#240
Who said treason has occured? Fitzgerald? Judge Walton?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:55 pmone of the great debate that nevers gets too far. The right to bear arms.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.â€
Both sides of the argument look at what they want. It does state the right to bear arms, shall not be infringed but where are the masses of well regulated Militia that would make it necessary.
When this was written there was a real fear of a return by the British (or others) and there was a fear of the Central government getting too much power.
To take away freedoms now would not be wise. To allow them to go unchecked is also unwise.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:56 pm“Comment by ben — June 14, 2007 @ 4:53 pm”
I understand, as I stated….
I just find it hard to believe that so many Republicans who claim to believe in the rule of law find so many ways to twist the laws for their party.
They try to argue that stealing is not stealing, but rather playing Robbin Hood!
WHAT!
June 14th, 2007 at 4:57 pm#245
I didn’t think he was a successful president, but the impeachment was driven by personal dislike of the man.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:58 pmHard to see a downside here:
1. Scooter goes to jail – justice is served
2. Scooter decides to sing, rather than go to jail – justice is served
3. Bush pardons Scooter, America is pissed (just ask Paris Hilton) the Repubican party is shown as the hypocrites they are and lose the election by even bigger margins
All works for me!
June 14th, 2007 at 4:58 pmm12, law states it’s treason:
Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 (50 U.S.C. 421 et seq.)
June 14th, 2007 at 5:01 pm(governing disclosures that could expose confidential Government agents)
“Comment by hellinabucket — June 14, 2007 @ 4:56 pm”
I understand there is a strong debate there, but if you were to look at how the Constitution is written you can see that in places that the “People” are to be the over ridding factor in the document they place this type of statement first.
When it is not meant to be the over ridding factor, then it is placed in there to clarify that the “People” are in fact part of the statement but not the primary part of the statement.
I know this debate can go on forever, and has, but by reading the words as they are layed down on paper there is no doubt to their meaning.
I am for guns, but I also take the Constitution by it’s meaning as well…. Not by what was meant to be, but what it actually says.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:02 pmScooter might sing to stay out of prison.
Rove, Cheney and Chimpy could be next.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:05 pm#252
Treason is defined in the Constitution. It’s not mentioned in your statute.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:05 pmYou do want our government to abide by the law don’t you m12?
June 14th, 2007 at 5:05 pm#249 I agree the hypocrisy from some Republican members of congress, Republican candidates, Republican pundits, and Republican journalists is frustrating.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:07 pmComment by RemoveBush — June 14, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
All wasted on you RB since you don’t know the constitution. A way to prove that is to address your theory that Libby is a traitor so let’s look at the Constitution:
US Constitution Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Now read that and see what we have here… Nada. You don’t know the law and the 2nd Amendment makes gun ownership a Constitutional Right that cannot be infringed so that I can defend myself, my family, my friends, my town, my state and my nation if needed.
You are a rapist and immoral!
June 14th, 2007 at 5:07 pmPerjury and Obstruction of Justice are federal felonies.
Don’t drop the soap, Scooter
(sorry, couldn’t resist)
June 14th, 2007 at 5:11 pm“Comment by freedomrings — June 14, 2007 @ 5:07 pm”
“shall consist only in levying War against them”
Does 9/11 happen to ring a bell????
As far as Libby goes, they in fact aided the enemy as this is what Bin Laden wanted….. Just like what happened to the Russians…… To sink the US by making it spend all our money….
So by outing a CIA NOC, they in fact did “give aid and comfort” to our enemy.
Oh…. and by the way….
I’ll be happy to show you in person if I am in fact a rappist if you just provide your location……..
June 14th, 2007 at 5:12 pmEven if Libby does go to prison, it will be a Cupcake prison that has tennis courts and a pool, plus Cheney has put millions of dollars in a Swiss bank account for Scooter when he gets out.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:19 pm“Comment by freedomrings — June 14, 2007 @ 5:07 pmâ€
OH…… and by the way….
LEARN TO READ!!!!!
“I understand there is a strong debate there, but if you were to look at how the Constitution is written you can see that in places that the “People†are to be the over ridding factor in the document they place this type of statement first.
When it is not meant to be the over ridding factor, then it is placed in there to clarify that the “People†are in fact part of the statement but not the primary part of the statement.
I know this debate can go on forever, and has, but by reading the words as they are layed down on paper there is no doubt to their meaning.
I am for guns, but I also take the Constitution by it’s meaning as well…. Not by what was meant to be, but what it actually says.
Comment by RemoveBush — June 14, 2007 @ 5:02 pm”
Example for the SIMPLETON…
Amendment 3 – Quartering of Soldiers. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment 4 – Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons
Amendment 5 – Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital
Amendment 6 – Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.
In all criminal prosecutions,
Notice how the DEFINING parameter is the FIRST ONE!!!!!!
NOW NOTICE…… Pay attention here you mindless dweeb……
Amendment 2 – Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
A well regulated Militia,
The DEFINING parameter is what??????
If you can answer that, your not as stupid as you seem….
June 14th, 2007 at 5:20 pm#256
Yeah, I do. Pardons are in accordance with the rule of law.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:20 pm“shall consist only in levying War against themâ€
Does 9/11 happen to ring a bell????
As far as Libby goes, they in fact aided the enemy as this is what Bin Laden wanted….. Just like what happened to the Russians…… To sink the US by making it spend all our money….
So by outing a CIA NOC, they in fact did “give aid and comfort†to our enemy.
Oh…. and by the way….
I’ll be happy to show you in person if I am in fact a rappist if you just provide your location……..
Comment by RemoveBush — June 14, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
9-11 was a terrorist attack and anything else is a theory. What information do you have that Libby attacked the WTC or the Pentagon that you are keeping from us RB?
June 14th, 2007 at 5:24 pmAs for the rest Libby was not convicted as a traitor and in reality that would be difficult since if Bush wanted the outing than Libby has accepted the Commander In Chief as such.
Now the last part is real motivational. I am just all sorts of shaking in my shoes over here. I give you an address and we meet and then you assault me and then I defend myself and then one of us swallows some teeth? I’m I getting that right RB? You’re going to attempt to prove that you are a “real manâ€. That is not possible since you are a coward and a rapist and a sadist and an idiot!
A well regulated Militia,
The DEFINING parameter is what??????
If you can answer that, your not as stupid as you seem….
Comment by RemoveBush — June 14, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
The COMMA meaning that in order to have a defense you need people with guns! You idiot!
June 14th, 2007 at 5:26 pm“9-11 was a terrorist attack and anything else is a theory. What information do you have that Libby attacked the WTC or the Pentagon that you are keeping from us RB?”
I have no information that Libby attacked the WTC, but there is evidence that Bush allowed and or was part of the attack…… So that makes it TREASON!!! Which if the evidence to the Plame outing could have been followed MIGHT have brought light to that fact as well…..
“As for the rest Libby was not convicted as a traitor and in reality that would be difficult since if Bush wanted the outing than Libby has accepted the Commander In Chief as such.”
Take your medication, because your starting to drool and babble…..
“Now the last part is real motivational. I am just all sorts of shaking in my shoes over here. I give you an address and we meet and then you assault me and then I defend myself and then one of us swallows some teeth? I’m I getting that right RB? You’re going to attempt to prove that you are a “real manâ€.”
Something like that, but there would only be 2 hits….. Me hitting you and you hitting the ground.
“That is not possible since you are a coward and a rapist and a sadist and an idiot!
Comment by freedomrings — June 14, 2007 @ 5:24 pm”
Yet your the one standing there simply spouting words…… You fail to provide your location, as your the COWARD!
As far as the other crap, I have not committed any of those things but in YOUR immagination which means that this is something you clearly enjoy since you have brought it up so many times….
Like a typical Republican…… If they actually like that they argue against it…… You know like being against gays, but at the same time porking pages or young boys….
June 14th, 2007 at 5:32 pm“The COMMA meaning that in order to have a defense you need people with guns! You idiot!
Comment by freedomrings — June 14, 2007 @ 5:26 pm”
BUZZZZZ…..
WRONG answer you freking poll chomper…….
I did not realize that a comma meant you had to have guns…. So anytime I use a comma I am stating that I need guns for my defense????
MORON!!!!
GO back to freeking school you illiterat A$$WIPE!!!
“A punctuation symbol used to separate parts of a sentence (,). common errors: She bought pens brushes and paint. She needed paint. Especially for her project. example sentences: She bought pens, brushes, and paint. She needed paint, especially for her project.”
Is the subject and the Definition of the sentence….. Not BRUSHES OR PENS….. BUT SHE, the GIRL!!!!!
Now the comparison…..
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Militia is the EQUIVILENT TO THE GIRL in the sentence above you Poll Chomper!!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 5:37 pmThe REAL key is that if this has been the Assistant to Bill Clinton or Al Gore,
the Rapeublicans would be shouting 24/7 for his IMPRISONMENT, as well as INVESTIGATIONS into the president/vice president and IMPEACHMENT.
As the silence and calls for PARDONS show, the Rapeublicans are HYPOCRITES and support WAR CRIMINALS like Bush, Cheney and Libby.
And, yes, Libby WAS the ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:46 pmComment by RemoveBush — June 14, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Sorry but I decided that you are pretty foul even by TP standards and complained about your open threats and open call to rape to TP in hopes that they will at least delete your trash.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:50 pmIt’s the great debate that won’t be solved. No politician will touch it.
As for m12, why only observe laws that help your case and ignore laws that go against your case. Justice is blind. Fear is ignorant.
freedomrings, your campaign against Removebush goes against your very monicker. Why stick on the rape thing?
m12, it does cover treason. Go read the whole law. You do want justice don’t you?
June 14th, 2007 at 5:56 pmComment by hellinabucket — June 14, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
I would refer you to the posting above as the reason.
June 14th, 2007 at 6:02 pm#270
I did. The word treason is not used.
June 14th, 2007 at 6:07 pmI do remember the vigor in which the “rule of law” was pushed with Clinton. I never voted for him and won’t defend him.
I will say that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
freedomrings, you’re too sensitive. It’s a blog. This is ventland and opinionation. Get off your holier than thou soapbox.
June 14th, 2007 at 6:09 pmyou’re too sensitive. It’s a blog. This is ventland and opinionation. Get off your holier than thou soapbox.
Comment by hellinabucket — June 14, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Possibly true, regardless, I doubt that direct threats to me or anyone else are the stuff of opinions or constitute venting. One crime will not solve another in this case nor will it move the world to anything like peace. I take great offence to people that promote or sponsor rape. A woman I know was raped and beaten so badly that she went blind in one eye. Rape is always a crime no matter who it is or where they are. Someone who attempts to justify rape is making a leap that leads to ruin. Two wrongs can never make a right.
June 14th, 2007 at 8:35 pmPardon me, but the following limerick came to my head:
Guilty is the verdict for Scooter
June 14th, 2007 at 10:39 pmWho fancied himself a great troubleshooter.
But he actually committed treason
for no good reason.
Yet is Rove’s case really mooter?
enjoy getting your cherry popped in prison, scooter. please feel free to write think progress to tell us where you and bubba have registered for your china pattern, biatch
June 15th, 2007 at 6:36 am