Snow: Intense New Levels Of Violence In Iraq Are ‘Signs Of Success’
Snow: Intense New Levels Of Violence In Iraq Are ‘Signs Of Success’
The Pentagon yesterday released its first quarterly report assessing President Bush’s escalation strategy, confirming that overall levels of violence in the country actually “increased throughout much of Iraq in recent months,” as attacks “shifted away from Baghdad and Anbar” and into “cities and provinces that had been relatively peaceful before the Bush administration’s troop buildup.”
Political reconciliation has almost entirely stalled, suicide bombings “more than doubled” from January to April, sectarian deaths have increased beyond pre-escalation levels, and U.S. troop deaths are spiking.
During his press briefing yesterday, White House spokesman Tony Snow said the increasing chaos was a positive sign. The new levels of attacks “fit a pattern that we see throughout the region,” he said, “which is that when you see things moving towards success, or when you see signs of success, that there are acts of violence.” Watch it:
Also yesterday, Snow sharply downplayed the importance of the September Iraq report from top U.S. commander Gen. David Petraeus. Just last month, President Bush said September would be an “important moment” in the war because “Petraeus says that’s when he’ll have a pretty good assessment as to what the effects of the surge has been.”
Yesterday, Snow described Petraeus’ report as merely a “first opportunity” to “have a little bit of a metric” to “see what happens when you have all the forces in place for the Baghdad security plan.”
Transcript:
Q Let me follow on that, because I think some American officials have called this an act of desperation. And I’m wondering how this is seen as an act of desperation. Does that mean that the terrorists are so concerned that they’re sort of being shut down, and that the surge is so effective that they’re now desperate to make a statement?
MR. SNOW: Well, I think, again — a couple of things. It does fit a pattern that we see throughout the region, which is that when you see things moving towards success, or when you see signs of success, that there are acts of violence. We saw that, certainly — we’ve seen that in Lebanon, once again, today, tragically. We also saw it earlier in Lebanon. We have seen it on a number of occasions where, when Israel and the Palestinians seem to be getting close to a deal, there are kidnapings and acts of violence.
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Q Tony, whenever you, or the President, or anyone in the administration is asked about assessing how the surge is going, you point out not everyone is there yet, it’s going to take a while — 30 or 60 days. Are we going to see any softening of the September deadline for a pivotal assessment on how this is going?
MR. SNOW: You call it a pivotal assessment — there are going to be regular assessments of what goes on — what has been going on in Iraq. And I think in September you will have the first opportunity to have a little bit of a metric to see what happens when you have all the forces in place for the Baghdad security plan. I mean, that I think — if you want a definitive judgment, I’ve warned from the very beginning about expecting some sort of magical thing to happen in September.
This is a war, and it is the sort of thing where you want to make sure that the measures that you are taking are producing results. And I think at that juncture you’re going to be able to have a little more granularity, as they say.
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More violence is a sign of success.
Up is down.
Black is white.
Welcome to BushWorld!
June 14th, 2007 at 10:54 amHere we go. They really have to stop doing this
We will never leave if this is the measure of success.
So when the violence goes down, and people are staying alive, that menas things are going poorly? UNBELIEVABLE!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 10:55 amAt the President’s Dinner last night, W said, “As a matter of fact, I talked to General David Petraeus today. The final troops have just arrived.”
So, we won’t be expecting any more troops, or any more splurges? Is that his final answer?
June 14th, 2007 at 10:55 amThis guy is lunatic….AS THEY ALL ARE!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 10:56 amSure, Tony, just as the recurence of cancer says you’re getting better.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:56 amThe color of the sky is blue. I wonder what the color of the sky is in their world?
June 14th, 2007 at 10:57 amThat would be a great theory – it’s not completely implausible to say “they know they’re losing, and trying one last desperate offensive to stave off defeat.” Heck, that’s what the Nazis did in the Ardennes in the Battle of the Bulge. It’s not, on its face, completely implausible.
Except that the Republicans have tried that line before, and the uptick in violence was followed not by success, but by even worse violence, and a deterioration of the mission’s chances of success.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:57 amviolence is doubleplus ungood
June 14th, 2007 at 10:58 amIf it’s more violence it’s a success.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:58 amIf it’s less violence it’s a success.
It’s a win-win situation for the Bushies.
By Snow’s pretzel logic, complete peace and calm in Iraq would mean anarchy.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:59 amWAR IS PEACE
June 14th, 2007 at 11:00 amFREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
No bombs? GREAT!
Lots of bombs? GREAT!
Oh, I see.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:00 amHow can someone lie for a living and not be ill?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:01 amTheir spin is making me dizzy! They really think the American people are all so dumb. I hope they all rot in hell!
June 14th, 2007 at 11:03 amWORST SPIN EVER
June 14th, 2007 at 11:04 amDownplaying the September report already. But gosh, it’s almost summer break for Congress, so let’s keep focussed on the September report, and then we’ll be surprised when it says NOTHING.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:05 amSnowjob looks like one of those images that you see in “1984″ or “V for Vendetta” : A Generic Face for the State. Big Brother is watching you…
June 14th, 2007 at 11:05 amTony needs to stop LYING before his time comes due, and the photo of him shows a loss of hair and he does NOT look good.
Better save your SOUL, Tony.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:07 amYou can’t have Last Death Throes without some death and throes.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:07 amSo the ultimate measure of success for this administration would be if all Iraqis and all American troops there were killed? Bush would exclaim, “Well, finally!”
June 14th, 2007 at 11:08 am“when you see signs of success, [...] there are acts of violence.”
So the more successful the surge, the more violence we will see?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:08 amRemember last month when Chimpy said that August is going to be a bloody month. I wonder, folks.
On what land is he talking about?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:09 amGeees, I’m half way through George Orwell’s 1984 book and beginning to feel like we are living it…Damn this is so much crazieness..Blessings
June 14th, 2007 at 11:09 amIt baffles the mind.
Sometimes I wonder if the Bush & Pals are thinking along the lines of: “At some point it has to get so bad that it can only get better.” If this were only true. Any Project Manager worth a hill of beans can tell you that when a project is already in the hole, you can only dig yourself deeper.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:10 amDarth Cheney is in his last thro(mbosis)es.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:10 amSpoken in true Bush/Orwellian “double speak”….you gotta hand it to these thugs – they really believe they are pulling the wool over people’s eyes. Too bad they don’t know the truth: that the average american is well onto their level of chicanery and lies…..hahahahah!
June 14th, 2007 at 11:10 amSnowjob Tony looks like a blathering idiot agreeing to spew such detritus. Does he have no sense of self these days?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:11 amTommorrow night Bush will anounce that crack is actually good for kids, 28% of Americans will believe him
June 14th, 2007 at 11:11 amInteresting how bad it feels to have been so right about this failure of Bush’s strategery…
Jon Stewart’s guest the other night actually acknowledge that the blogosphere was right about invading Iraq when all the Democratic advisers to our “Representatives” were wrong…
June 14th, 2007 at 11:12 amNext week someone from the Bush admin will anounce that crack is good for kids, neo-clowns will believe him and defend his position.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:12 amIn the name of all that’s good and decent, Tony, could you please…please…shut your festering gob!!!
You’re a bible-thumper, right Tony? Have you ever considered the possibility that your cancer and its recurrence is God’s way of saying that you’re a lying sack of shit and the things you say to prop up our American dictator and perpetuate the killing of thousands upon thousands of innocent people are repulsive in his eyes? Hmmm? Ever think of that, Tony? I wouldn’t, because I’m agnostic, but I’d expect a “God-fearing” right-winger like yourself to ponder that for a while.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:13 amwell, 1. we know now that the whole “wait until september” thing is BS, and 2. tony snow(job) is a bliterhing idiot.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:13 amTony isn’t looking so good. He seems to have physically aged 10 years since his return.
I’m certain that having a job where lying and being a common weasel aren’t good for his under*lying* condition. I suppose that he loves his boss so much that he is willing to accelerate his illness and death for him.
Tool!
June 14th, 2007 at 11:13 amThis has to be one of the scariest of all TP’s post in a long, long time.
“Fasten your seatbelts, it’s going to be a bumpy night”
-Bette Davis from “All About Eve”
June 14th, 2007 at 11:15 amWhere in the history of the world is there evidence to support this theory? Where are the spines of anyone in the media to ask that question?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:15 amIt just underlines the total disconnect between the words they use and the reality of any given situation. They aren’t trying to convey information (and definitely not truth), they are trying to manage the masses by saying whatever works in order to control what people are seeing and thinking while they continue doing what they want.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:16 amWords are used to manage.
Tony isn’t looking so good. He seems to have physically aged 10 years since his return
Funny, how lying and partaking in nefarious skullduggery can affect you…
Karma is a bitch.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:16 amDo you think his lies are eating him up inside?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:18 am“when you see signs of success, that there are acts of violence”
Wow, this must be the most successful war ever! I didn’t realize things were going so well until Snow explained things for me.
Seriously, this is what was referred to in George Orwell’s 1984 as Doublethink. It’s defined as “the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them”. It’s amazing to see the parallels in 1984 and what kind of spin Snow throws at us all the time. I’m not sure what is scarier though. That they keep saying the stuff, or that people actually but it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink
June 14th, 2007 at 11:18 amGeees, I’m half way through George Orwell’s 1984 book and beginning to feel like we are living it…Damn this is so much crazieness..Blessings
Comment by Sharon — June 14, 2007 @ 11:09 am
Because people were referencing it so much in 1983, I wanted to know what they were talking about, so I read it. That book blew me away then, and I thought how great it was that we lived in a country that would never behave that way.
In just 24 years, it’s sad how that has changed so much…
You’ll hate the ending. I cried about it for weeks… And I was only 16.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:19 amDo you think these spokesmen for Bush honestly believe what they are saying?? I have such a hard time with that one. Do you suppose they can only do it so long and then burn out. Perhaps that is why Bush has gone through so many of them.. I would love to get the whole list of spokesmen since 2000 together in a room with a hidden camera and see what they have to say to each other..
June 14th, 2007 at 11:20 amThat is why he is called SNOW-JOB.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:23 amI just wish some reporter would stand up and ask… if more violence is a sign of success… and less violence is a sign of success… what circumstances if any could arise that would cause you to assess the “surge†as unsuccessful?
If there’s no way to be unsuccessful – success itself is meaningless!
Is there any objective “metric†that would cause you to not “stay the course?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:24 amTony Snow rocks! If I was dying of cancer this is just the way I would want to go out, lying my ass off to millions of people on television. This is no time to stop and smell the roses, just keep “catapulting the propaganda” as our Dear Leader says.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:24 amper Tony (he looks like hell!):
“This is a war, and it is the sort of thing where you want to make sure that the measures that you are taking are producing results. And I think at that juncture you’re going to be able to have a little more granularity, as they say.”
Granularity?
Judging from this definition, “The extent to which a system contains separate components (like granules). The more components in a system — or the greater the granularity — the more flexible it is”, I’d say that Iraq is pretty flexible. Not sure if that’s a good thing or not though.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:26 amSo, maybe in Sept. we’ll see much more bloodshed meaning that the surge is working really well. WTF
June 14th, 2007 at 11:27 amIn more late breaking Bullshit, black is now white, and white is now ebon.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:28 amUp yours with barbed wire, Tony the Traitor.
Snow is the master of logical fallacies. He uses almost all of them in just 30 minutes behind a podium. I’m not sure what category to put this one in. Maybe “questionable cause”?
The premise is faulty: When U.S. troops are successful, violence increases (any evidence for that?).
June 14th, 2007 at 11:29 amAnd so is the deduction: Violence has increased, therefore the troops have been successful.
Tony Snow has completed his metamorphosis into an American Baghdad Bob.
What should we call him?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:29 amwhat a whack job
June 14th, 2007 at 11:31 amit’s official – Doublespeak is the new American language…
June 14th, 2007 at 11:31 amI guess if all violence were o stop tomorrow… Tony would have to stand behind his podium and tell the world our mission was a failure?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:32 amAnother parallel to Vietnam. People like Robert McNamara and McGeorge Bundy and Walt Rostow, et al, would measure success by the number of Vietcong who were killed while never acknowledgeing that the Vietnamese were going to keep fighting until the Americans were finally driven from their homeland. It is a sure bet that the Iraqi people feel the same way.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:32 amAll I want to know is: where does this pattern exist elsewhere? Where else have we any evidence of “success” or even “signs of success” (WTF?), regardless of whether there is violence or not? Because if “acts of violence” are a part of a pattern of success, the whole damn Middle East is jumping with success. Who would have guessed?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:33 amA truly Soviet performance by Snow.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:34 am.
So, if we are not supposed to rate the success by the levels of violence, then how do we rate it? What are the “signs of success” he is talking about? Personally, I would think that if more troops are dying and the Iraqi government is becoming more and more unstable, that would not point to success.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:35 am#49 gkam
June 14th, 2007 at 11:35 amHowza bout the DC DunCe
Okay I want to know: just what IS in the kool aide these freaks are drinking? Get our troops out of there now, if only to pull back to boardering counties to regroup.
Remember in the movie Aliens (#2) when the platoon was first attacked and in shambles? And the lowly corporal who suddenly found himself in charge? He ordered, at the top of his lungs, “Marines we are leaving!!!” They left, they regrouped, and they came back and kicked a$$. What is so terribly wrong with that strategy?
Hell, we might even find out we don’t need to go back and kick a$$.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:35 amAWWWWW CMON, TP!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 11:36 amWhy are my posts being filtered???
If I promise to leave St.Daryll alone for today, can my post reappear?
Please? Pretty please?
I’ll buy you a beer?
Why don’t any of the reporters call him on this bull$hit and ask him under what circumstances would this regime consider the surge to be a failure?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:36 amSnow is the master of logical fallacies.
Comment by chimpeach
How long was he at Fox News? “Logical fallacies” are their specialty at Fox along with spin, blatant lies and supporting Bushco at all costs. Maybe Tony has been indoctrinated so deeply that he doesn’t know what he’d doing. On the other hand, he’s probably just a bald-faced, lying sack of shit.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:38 amIntense Levels Of Violence In America’s Inner Cities Are Signs That Liberal Programs Are A Success
June 14th, 2007 at 11:38 amPoor ol’ Tony is spinning so fast now, his chemo-saturated brain can’t keep up. Must be a tough way to live each remaining day!
And he is a Poster Boy for how Faux NoNooz trains their talking head puppets to spout whatever PudgeBoy Rover wants them to say.
Is this a great country or what????
June 14th, 2007 at 11:38 amLet’s bid a fond welcome to BAGHDAD TONY!!!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 11:38 am#58
June 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amYou hit the nail on the head, exactly!
Do you think his lies are eating him up inside?
Comment by hellinabucket — June 14, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Definitely.
You don’t get a pass if you believe your lies — they’re still lies.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amG.W. SuperChrist said, “If there’s no way to be unsuccessful – success itself is meaningless!”
Very well said.
And I totally agree with you about how nice it would be if someone would stand up and ask those logical questions!
Like this question of yours:
‘Is there any objective “metric†that would cause you to not “stay the course?’!
If there are any reporters out there reading this please ask Tony this question!
June 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amMaybe they are just seeing how utterly outrageous they can be before the press will finally start to call them on it. Sort of like teenagers..
June 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amI just wish some reporter would stand up and ask… if more violence is a sign of success… and less violence is a sign of success… what circumstances if any could arise that would cause you to assess the “surge†as unsuccessful?
If there’s no way to be unsuccessful – success itself is meaningless!
Is there any objective “metric†that would cause you to not “stay the course?
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — June 14, 2007 @ 11:24 am
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Great comment. Great example of a non-falsifiable poposition. If all evidence is proof that the surge is working, there is no way to prove that it is or isn’t.
Praise Tony’s cancer, let’s hope it spreads to the rest of his cabal.
Sorry, but Tony is dedicating what’s left of his life to sacrifice more soldiers’ lives. May he and the whole administration rot like a wet potato.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:40 amFor any person or persons that reside in a RED state, call your Senator everyday to ” D E M A N D” removal out of Iraq.
For any BLUE Dog Senator residents here call your Senator and
“”D E M A N D “” removal out of Iraq.
Then ask 20 friends:
family,
co-workers,
doctors,
dentists,
college friends,
the local vet.,
tailor,
grocery store manager,
banker,
childs music teacher,
neighbor,
girl scout leaders,
the local beauty shop,
school, to call same!!
The more calls and LETTERS the better.
If everyone that reads the board does just 10 calls that makes A BIG DIFFERENCE!
The Cat
June 14th, 2007 at 11:41 amInductive ~ Deductive LOGIC
in some religions, multiple blown-up bridges are signs of good luck.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:41 amDid they wash that photo out, or is Tony that pallid and pasty looking these days?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:41 amPerhaps he should just retire and spend his remaining days in meditation and prayer for his theoretical soul.
How about a mashup with Baghdad Bob and Tony Snow?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:42 amMy name for snow….Snow flake and we will watch him melt away before our very eye’s…..No one can join and support such an evil group with out repercusions to health and mind, it’s karma at work….
Unbelievable….Only half way through the book…Since this is my busy time at the resort hope to have it finished with in the next couple of day’s…Normaly a book this size would of finished by now..Dreadful reading and living it as well..Glad so many here had spoke of the book though, would not of known otherwise…..Blessings
June 14th, 2007 at 11:43 amMaybe they are just seeing how utterly outrageous they can be before the press will finally start to call them on it. Sort of like teenagers..
Comment by JG
Great point. “Well we got away with this bunch of crap, what are we going to tell them next? Let’s try this, they’ll never believe this pile of shit. What? Nobody even questioned it? Now what?”
June 14th, 2007 at 11:44 amI wish a Real Intrepid Reporter would emerge, not these Paid Pundits POSING AS JOURNALISTS (O’Liely, Wolf Shitzer) : and ask the HARD QUESTIONS to make these criminals squirm.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:47 am#17
Snowjob looks like one of those images that you see in “1984″ or “V for Vendetta†: A Generic Face for the State. Big Brother is watching you…
Comment by Kay
Ha!
June 14th, 2007 at 11:50 amRemember “Max Headroom”?
Spit-spit-spit spitting im-im-image….!
It’s the medication that makes Tony Snow talk stupid. Plus he will say anything to keep his job he needs the money for his medicial bills. He would say the Bush White House saw a Harry Potter sighting if they told him to say it. Tony has to get as much money as he can while this criminal White House is in office. Once Bush/Cheney are out no more stolen money for Tony and others. That’s why Fred (Law/Order) joined in for the money. If Rudy wins we’ll have both a woman/man President rolled up in one. Alot of cross dressing will be going on in the Rudy White House. Rudy will make sure the Mob beats out Big Business. Is John McCain awake yet.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:50 amIs McCain planning on going shopping in the Iraq market place again without military protection. As Libby goes off to jail please don’t send him any soap as a gift.
“I wish a Real Intrepid Reporter would emerge, not these Paid Pundits POSING AS JOURNALISTS (O’Liely, Wolf Shitzer) : and ask the HARD QUESTIONS to make these criminals squirm.”
Or try not writing down what they say, then not reporting it. Especially when their questions and followups are not answered adequately.
Or better yet, they collectively all stand up and leave the room in protest until they start hearing something that sounds remotely like the truth. Or even better, don’t show up to a news conference in protest (and disgust).
June 14th, 2007 at 11:54 amThis clip is old and was on CrooksNLiars a few days ago from what I remember.
So we are full circle based on what Snow-job says. The surge is creating even more violence so I would imagine that we need to increase the surge even more!
June 14th, 2007 at 11:56 amPlease join the army and fight evil!
Thank you Uncle Sam!
Max Headroom. Tony Snow is Max Headroom. Bullseye!!!!!!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 11:57 amThis story seems very familiar. It reminds me of the fellow last week who said another attack in the US would make the nay-sayers see the wisdom of the president’s policies. In both cases, someone is looking to have their position supported by any and all future events.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:58 amSo if we nuked Baghdad, we’d really be winning!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:01 pm“”Intense Levels Of Violence In America’s Inner Cities Are Signs That Liberal Programs Are A Success”"”"
June 14th, 2007 at 12:03 pmHa!
Remember “Max Headroom�
Spit-spit-spit spitting im-im-image….!
Comment by heyzeus
I loved that show. Maxi Snowjob works for me.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:04 pmWhy do Democratic leaders allow bullshit comments like “more violence is a sign of success†get disseminated without ever lifting a finger or a microphone?
If our press core is not going to point out the complete idiocy of this comment – and their not – then it is the absolute duty of the opposition party to do it… it is almost exclusively for this purpose that they are the majority party!
I am VERY disappointed in the weak and weasely stance that the Democrats have made regarding Iraq since they have been in power!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI am VERY disappointed in the weak and weasely stance that the Democrats have made regarding Iraq since they have been in power!!!
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist
To be fair they are just barely in power and depend on Quisling Joe L. to swing things, as far as I understand.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:09 pmMr. Snow, you have a call from Lee Atwater on line 1….
June 14th, 2007 at 12:09 pmServer says I posted this already, but I didn’t. Maybe this will go through.
Mr. Snow, you have a call from Lee Atwater on line 1….
June 14th, 2007 at 12:12 pmOne would think that Snowjob’s “near death experience” would have brought him to a personal epiphany??
June 14th, 2007 at 12:12 pmOkay, so I double posted.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:12 pmJust goes to show ‘ya…how the mind telegraphs everything to the cells – Tony is prime evidence of the body-mind connection. The mere fact that he becomes the poster child for lying and spews such twisted evil to the public is prima facie evidence of how “necrotic” this man is.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThat’d be a valid statement – if the Dems were in power. Curently, the Dems control on half of one third of the Federal government. While one sixth is better than nothing, it doesn’t put the party “in power”.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:15 pmDamn,
June 14th, 2007 at 12:17 pmTP you have got this “junkyard journalism” down.
I like that headline!
The Administration knows how to spin anything to mean whatever they want it to mean. There is no way they can really lose; they get to have it both ways. If violence goes down, this as a sure sign of progress. If violence goes up, this would also be a sure sign of progress. Either way, it’s a sure sign of progress from the spin machine. The Mad Hatter lives!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:22 pm“During his press briefing yesterday, White House spokesman Tony Snow said the increasing chaos was a positive sign. The new levels of attacks “fit a pattern that we see throughout the region,†he said, “which is that when you see things moving towards success, or when you see signs of success, that there are acts of violence.—
Also, when the day of the week ends in “y”, there are acts of violence.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:23 pmIf an increase in violence is a sure sign of progress at this point in the surge, we can count our lucky stars there hasn’t been a decrease in violence. I guess that would mean the surge is failing.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:24 pmTo be fair they are just barely in power and depend on Quisling Joe L. to swing things, as far as I understand.
Comment by Russ — June 14, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
This is true… but the Democratic leaders could have told W that he would take funding with bench marks and draw down dates or he would get no funding at all.
Instead of helping to spread the false meme… that if they did not provide the war funding our troops would be stranded in down town Baghdad fighting the terrorists with rocks and sticks… they could have taken a stand and told America the truth… that despite what the Republican say – defunding the war will NOT cause or troops to be left defenseless in Iraq – but instead will cause the last bit of money to be spent to bring them home.
They did not do this… instead they decided to embrace their inner weasel!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:28 pm#94 Flaco
Damn,
TP you have got this “junkyard journalism†down.
I like that headline!
You should stick with the serious journalism sites. Like the Drudge Report.
B-
Bb-
BWAA-HAA-HAA-HA!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:28 pmNo. Words.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pmNo. Words.
No. Words.
Each who elected this mafia into power must be held accountable for their dereliction of duty as a United States citizen.
Flacoputo, always the whore for the Bushies.
Is it hard to type with blood of our soldiers on your hands, little puto? Or do you lick the blood off first?
How about when you puñetar, is blood your lubricant of choice?
Sure would like to meet you someday.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:37 pmSEE! SEE!
My lips are Flapping!!
That means more success!
Oh! My stomach rumbled.
?????
SUCCESS!!
WAIT…
oof,
Ahhh, Silent but Deadly.
SEE! SEE!
Even more success!
Now I’ll sweat a little to finish the days fantastic news.
Everybody CLAP!!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:48 pmJust another day for “Baghdad Tony”. What else is new? Is Paris Hilton back in jail?
Cheers,
June 14th, 2007 at 12:52 pmNasty nanlichi go!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:53 pmDon’t forget, there’ve been many “signs of success” in Lebanon and Gaza lately too.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:58 pmTony McSnowjob, the White House Spokesliar, is still full of shit. Cancer is bad but so is being a liar.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:59 pmumm, is there any doubt that they are making this stuff up as they go??
June 14th, 2007 at 12:59 pmWhy, yes, if the Iraqis keep this up, we’ll continue to succeed. I mean, at some point, there won’t be any more Iraqis to blow up… all their cultural and historical artifacts will be destroyed, and the only things left standing will be our fortresses….
June 14th, 2007 at 1:07 pmWe are at war with Eastasia, we have always been at war with Eastasia.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:14 pmdoesnt matter what happens, they always win.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:26 pmEveryone in the white house is so stupid and ignorant and a bunch of liars. I’d be suprised if anyone there would even notice if their pants were on fire.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:44 pmDaily show has the funniest perspective of the current situation
June 14th, 2007 at 1:46 pmhttp://rawstory.com/news/2007/Daily_Show_team_reports_fake_news_0614.html
…and I think in September you will have the first opportunity to have a little bit of a metric to see what happens when you have all the forces in place for the Baghdad security plan.
Apparently he was at the doctor when the ‘generational war’, and the ‘think of Iraq like South Korea’ talking points were distributed.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:19 pmAnd is that an unctuous toadying sycophantic rhetorical question from a White House Press Room Whore eager to score points with My Man Tony?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:23 pmAnd is that a sycophantic rhetorical question from a White House Press Room Whore eager to score points with My Man Tony?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:25 pmApologies for double post. Got an error page.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:26 pmSo I guess 9/11 was a roaring success against terrorism?
June 14th, 2007 at 2:30 pmHuh?
when will a reporter ask hermann munster the real hard hitting question ” do you actually want us to believe the shit you’re telling us, and do YOU actually believe it”?
June 14th, 2007 at 4:11 pmsorry for double post, error message made me do it!
June 14th, 2007 at 4:18 pmTony Snow was a breath of fresh air when he first took his job. Although he did his best at mission impossible (trying to make Bush look good), he actually inserted a little truth into the press conferences from time to time.
All that is history now. Why the press continues to show up at these spin fests is beyond comprehension. I guess everyone has to be somewhere. And why we continue to listen to and read about these continued insults to our intelligence is also incompreshensible. The only thing that matters now is how fast we can get to 1/20/2009!
June 14th, 2007 at 4:20 pmPeople the Bushes are stalling until they get out of office. The USA is going to be in Iraq for decades. What do you think that massive embassy is being built for?
June 14th, 2007 at 5:26 pmDoes anyone else think Tony Snow is starting to look like Baghdad Bob?
June 14th, 2007 at 6:16 pmSo… by Snow’s absurd logic, today’s developments in the Gaza Strip means everything’s going fantastically well, then!
June 14th, 2007 at 7:51 pmSo… let me get this right… by Snow’s absurd logic, we should be up there celebrating with Hamas in the Gaza Strip because that situation is obviously just about to go REALLY, REALLY well for everyone…
June 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pmDamn! Double post! Error message, btw.
June 14th, 2007 at 7:54 pmHe reminds me more every day of the Iraqi Information Minister, running around on the rooftops saying to the press, “The Americans have been destroyed”.. if these guys weren’t so absolutely sick, this would be kindof funny.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:21 pmDidn’t Rumsfield and Cheney use this same lie once? Yes they did but by now those statements have fallen down the memory hole of the MSM.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:21 pmTony is making Baghdad Bob look like Noam Chomsky. To get up @ a presser and spew such arcane insanity should be a crime. These guys must worship Satan or something. I’m wondering what else is up the sleeves of these fascists (besides more brown shirt material). It’s getting to the point where they have lied so much and so blatantly that this thing has to be about more than just getting the Iraqis to sign an Oil law and for Bush to set up a dictatorship here in America. What they are planning must be so perverse that it defies comprehension by any rational mind.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:47 amTony is making Baghdad Bob look like Noam Chomsky. To get up at a presser and spew such arcane insanity should be a crime. These guys must worship Satan or something. I’m wondering what else is up the sleeves of these fascists besides more brown shirt material. It’s getting to the point where they have lied so much and so blatantly that this thing has to be about more than just getting the Iraqis to sign an Oil law and for Bush to set up a dictatorship here in America. What they are planning must be so perverse that it defies comprehension by any rational mind.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:48 amSorry for the double post but with so much doublespeak going on these days … well you know… these things just happen
June 15th, 2007 at 12:49 amThere’s no real double-speak or absurd logic here, folks. Remember, the trademark failure of Bush’s War is that he has never (until now) defined what success in Iraq actually is.
So yesterday, Tony finally told us, in a rather cryptic fashion … paraphrasing only slightly, “the war is a success when there is more violence”.
Finally, we have the administration’s truthful definition of that they regard as success: violence, chaos — in other words, no less than perpetual war.
They keep telling us, in barely veiled ways, this same goal of theirs, over and over. But we keep refusing to believe them when they tell us this, this truth as they see it. We keep thinking, there must be some more reasonable, constructive goal that they really have in mind, they are just having major trouble achieving it.
Simply take them at their word — what they believe is, violence, destruction, perpetual war, is good. $$$$$.
The correct journalistic response is to simply tell this to the people: “Tony Snow, on behalf of POTUS, is telling us, finally, after more than 4 years, tens of thousands of deaths, and trillions of US taxpayer dollars, the objective of this war: more violence.”
June 15th, 2007 at 3:25 amSorry, I meant to say, “hundreds of thousands of deaths.” Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:28 amGranularity?
June 15th, 2007 at 3:41 amGranularity
June 15th, 2007 at 3:41 amIf lying caused cancer, the entire Bush administration would be dead.
June 15th, 2007 at 11:28 amThis thread has it all wrong. It is all in the definition of “Success”.
If success does not succeed then do the logical thing–broaden the meaning of “success”.
If in doing that you allot a value for “success”, and you find that the value is quantity of bombs dropped, bullets shot then it follows that increasing violence is putting large funds into the pockets of those who need it most—–the munitions makers—and is therefore “Success”!
You know the old story of destroying a village in order to save it–? –the classic “success”. Iraq is slowly becoming that village.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:20 pmThe goal of this adminisration is to keep the middle east in the dark ages. A free and democratic Iraq or any middle easterm county would only mean less oil for us. Our only goal is to keep the oil supply comming to US.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:32 pmNow that so many other countries are consuming more oil, we cannot afford to let Arab nations consume as well. The lies of the Bush Adminitration that the surge is working will allow us to remain in Iraq FOREVER. Hence the huge U.S. embasy being built. Soon the oil fields will be gone and we can finnaly leave the middle east. Just wait for it.
didn’t they give the same exact rationale a couple years back about more violence means things are getting better?
June 16th, 2007 at 8:59 amYES TONY…… VOILENCE IS A GOOD SIGN, LIKE CANCER IS A GOOD SIGN THAT YOUR BODY IS WORTHY OF BEING ATTACKED.
SEE…. IF YOU WERE DEAD… NO CANCER.
CANCER IS THE PROOF OF GOOD.
does all this thinking make your head hurt??
June 16th, 2007 at 9:54 am——that is good too… it means you still have feeling in your head.