‘What happens in Gaza will not stay in Gaza.’
By on Jun 15th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
‘What happens in Gaza will not stay in Gaza.’
The Palestinian territories are headed toward a “turbulent divide,” as Hamas has taken over the Gaza Strip and President Mahmoud Abbas, head of the Fatah political party, has “dissolved the 3-month-old unity government, declaring a state of emergency and plans for elections.” The Center for American Progress recently launched a newsletter called the Middle East Bulletin. You can read its take on how to avert a deeper crisis in the region HERE.
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Very short newsletter. Only a two words, ‘America quits’
June 15th, 2007 at 3:42 pmWhat else is new?
June 15th, 2007 at 3:43 pmLook at where religion gets us. God says the Jews must live in this very spot, so we bend over to make it so, and all hell breaks loose for 60 years. It will never end.
Please excuse my pessimism. I wish ‘God’ could have stayed out of the business of omnipotent real estate broker. We all would have been way happier.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:45 pmRemember when the WH would tell us “freedom is on the march”? Well ,have you heard them spout that BS recently ?
June 15th, 2007 at 3:45 pmsomehow, I know that this civil war is the United States fault and Israel’s fault.
c’mon my sheeps, let us spew out all the anti-semetic comments and blame the USA and Israel for the Palestinians slaughtering each other.
c’mon my sheeps, where are you?
June 15th, 2007 at 3:46 pm…how to avert a deeper crisis in the region…
Well, here’s an idea…perhaps we should start holding Israel responsible for all its U.N. resolution violations.
Hey, violations of U.N. resolutions were enough reason to invade Iraq and depose Saddam Hussein (according to several of the trolls here), so it ought to be good enough for Israel, right?
When you manage to answer how Israel can violate U.N. resolutions with impunity, you’ll be much closer to understanding what’s “destabilizing the region”.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:46 pmPresident Clinton,
I’ll take the bait moron.
“c’mon my sheeps, let us spew out all the anti-semetic comments and blame the USA and Israel for the Palestinians slaughtering each other.”
I blame the Bible!!! :)
June 15th, 2007 at 3:49 pmOh, those barbarians…(Pssst, we the West have not contributed for things like this. In fact, it was Palestinians who divided Britain back in the 20s, also it was China who grew opium in the woods of Sherwood, we the West are victims and they hate us for our freedoms)
June 15th, 2007 at 3:49 pmPresident Clinton,
I’ll take the bait moron.
“c’mon my sheeps, let us spew out all the anti-semetic comments and blame the USA and Israel for the Palestinians slaughtering each other.â€
I blame the Bible!!! :)
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 15, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
you mean that Hamas and Fatah have the Bible in one hand and an AK-47 on the other?
I thought it was the Koran in one hand and an Ak-47 in the other.
i guess Palestinians are Christians and not Muslim. Hey Crump’s Sister, you might want to call the leader of Hamas and Fatah and tell them that they need to use the Bible and not the Koran, ok?
let me know how it goes.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:53 pmComment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
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Actually, President Clinton, you did quite well at trying to maintain peace in this region during your time as president.
Our most recent leader hasn’t been so successful.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:54 pmIt is not anti-semitic to point out that the policies of the US and Israel have contributed to the mess currently unfolding. Just because Israel is dominantly Jewish they are not exempt from criticism on inhumane policies just because they happened to be a persecuted group. Being a persecuted group in the past and the present does not give them a free pass to persecute others and commit crimes against humanity.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:55 pmChris L,
you are right, I did try and try hard, but imagine that, while the PM of Israel agreed to 99% of what Araft was asking, Araft walked away, why? why would Arafat walk away when the PM of Israel agreed to 99% of what Arafat wanted?
because Palestinians don’t want to live side by side Israel, they want to destroy Israel as the Hamas “constitution” says.
I think our current President is smart enough to know that Hamas is not a terrorist group to negotiate with since the only thing they want is the destruction of Israel and the death of every Israeli.
I was dumb enough to believe that we could negotiate with terrorist, but Arafat proved that we can’t negotiate with pigs like him, Hamas or Fatah.
thanks for reminding me of this pathetic period of my presidency, now I have to go and cry in the corner!
such a failure it was, such a great failure, all because I thought Arafat was a god that could be negotiated with.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pmPresident Clinton,
Easy to dodge and make jokes, but if we hadn’t decide to back the moronic notion that somehow the Jews were ‘owed’ that plot of land, things over there wouldn’t be nearly as crappy as they are.
And the justification for propping them up, comes from that dumb book.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pmi guess Palestinians are Christians and not Muslim. Hey Crump’s Sister, you might want to call the leader of Hamas and Fatah and tell them that they need to use the Bible and not the Koran, ok?
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
Well, considering that about 10% of Palestinians are Christian, this is partially correct. And considering that about half of the Qu’raan is derived from the Old and New Testaments, they are holding the Bible when they hold the Qu’raan.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pmAshen,
funny enough, we on the left are always so careful not to criticize groups like Hamas, and other terrorist groups in Palestine. It seems that while Israel is not immune to anti-semetic comments from the left. We on the left are always so careful to be politically correct when speaking about Muslism.
I wonder why we are so afraid of Muslims and not of Israelis.
why don’t we talk about all the Muslim policies that have distablized the region, like in 1948, when the last british soldier left Israel ALL the Arab nations attacking Israel.
Please do tell, what had Israel done to the Arab nations in the 1 day it had existed before the Arab nations attacked it.
let us not forget that Arab leaders, in 1948, said that they were going to do to the Jews in Israel what Hitler was unable to do to them during WWII, exterminated them.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:02 pmPresident Clinton,
The Bible and it’s tenets are the reason we are dealing with that crap over there.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:02 pmHolding a negative opinion about Israel is anti-semitic?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:03 pmTim Griffin,
but it was International Law and the United Nations that created Israel.
I thought us Liberals demanded that Bush and the Republicans respected and followed international law and the will of the United Nations.
why don’t we, on the left who love international law, demand the same of Arab nations and Palestine?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:03 pmIsrael took Palestine by force. Period.
I guess the troll in here would find OK, Pearl Harbor in the hands of Japan, right?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:04 pmPresident Clinton,
The Bible and it’s tenets are the reason we are dealing with that crap over there.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 15, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Really? I thought it was International Law and the United Nations that had created Israel.
well go figure, the Bible is so mighty that it created a nation out of nothing.
wow, one powerful book don’t yout hink Crump’s Sister.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:04 pmI never said we should not hold Muslim nations accountable for the problems, fact is last I checked I don’t see people going around and saying someone is anti-Muslim for criticizing Iran or any other nation for their human rights violations. Every time someone points out similar violations by Israel, they get labeled as anti-semitic.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:07 pmJuan C,
Israel took Palestine by force? hahahaha!!! really? when? and I guess the Arab nationd did nothing to Israel first, right?
why don’t you check out all the war that Arabs have started against israel, they lose every time and yes, when Israel, like every nation occupied their land because they tried to invade Israel, Israel kept it.
Furthermore, why don’t you talk about why don’t nations like Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc help Palestine.
and why don’t you talk about all the land that Egypt, Lebanon, etc have taken from the Palestinians?
you can’t be this ignorant, Juan C.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:08 pmAshen,
Please point out when is the last time the leadership of Israel said that Muslims should be wiped out of the face of Earth. Point out when’s the last time that israel said all Muslims should be exterminated.
Now, point out when wack job in Iran has denied the Holocoust and claimed that he will wipe out Israel and all the Jews.
See the difference? you can’t be this blind, can you now.
what human right violations has Israel committed, the ones that Hamas, Hezbollah make up and we the left in America eat up as fact?
maybe it is all the fake ambulance bombings that Hezzbolah claimed happen last summer, or maybe all the fake deaths and funerals that Hamas and Hezbollah constantly feed to the Western media.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI wonder why we are so afraid of Muslims and not of Israelis.
Comment by President Clinton
We, Kemosabi?
Or
We, tonto?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:11 pmbut it was International Law and the United Nations that created Israel.
I thought us Liberals demanded that Bush and the Republicans respected and followed international law and the will of the United Nations.
why don’t we, on the left who love international law, demand the same of Arab nations and Palestine?
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
That international law did not give Israel permission to purge cities and villages of Palestinians in the post-independence Nakba and send them to be refugees in neighboring countries.
That international law did not give Israel permission to conquer territory from its neighbors and hold it indefinitely.
That international law did not give Israel permission to colonize its conquered territory with illegal settlements and decimate the culture and economy of the occupied territories with checkpoints and restrictions.
That international law did not give Israel permission to build an Apartheid wall on territory it has conquered.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI thought us Liberals demanded that Bush and the Republicans respected and followed international law and the will of the United Nations.
why don’t we, on the left who love international law, demand the same of Arab nations and Palestine?
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Then I’m sure you’ll join us all in calling for the immediate adherence to the following UN resolutions:
Resolution 111: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people”.
Resolution 127: ” . . . ‘recommends’ Israel suspends its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem”.
Resolution 162: ” . . . ‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions”.
Resolution 171: ” . . . determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria”.
Resolution 228: ” . . . ‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control”.
Resolution 237: ” . . . ‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees”.
Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967): Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area. Calls on Israel’s neighbors to end the state of belligerency and calls upon Israel to reciprocate by withdraw its forces from land claimed by other parties in 1967 war. Interpreted commonly today as calling for the Land for peace principle as a way to resolve Arab-Israeli conflict
Resolution 248: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan”.
Resolution 250: ” . . . ‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem”.
Resolution 251: ” . . . ‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250″.
Resolution 252: ” . . . ‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital”.
Resolution 256: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation”.
Resolution 259: ” . . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation”.
Resolution 262: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport”.
Resolution 265: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan”.
Resolution 267: ” . . . ‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem”.
Resolution 270: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon”.
Resolution 271: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem”.
Resolution 279: ” . . . ‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon”.
Resolution 280: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon”.
Resolution 285: ” . . . ‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon”.
Resolution 298: ” . . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem”.
Resolution 313: ” . . . ‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon”.
Resolution 316: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon”.
Resolution 317: ” . . . ‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon”.
Resolution 332: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon”.
Resolution 337: ” . . . ‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty”.
Awaiting your response.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:12 pmAshen,
and you are lying, left wingers in the West are constantly labeling people that speak against extreme, fundamentalist Muslims as anti-Muslims.
Please don’t lie to me, a Rhodes Scholar, a genius, or so my sycophant followers tell me.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pmPresident Clinton,
“wow, one powerful book don’t yout hink Crump’s Sister.”
Your childish name calling notwithstanding, why was THAT location chosen? Why not pick say, Rhode Island?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pmyou can’t be this ignorant, Juan C.
Comment by President Clinton
You know, it is this handicap I have of … reading.
No…no force there, buddy. Keep on the good jokes. I coudnt care less about Clinton.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:14 pmTerryTurtle,
Ok, I will call for Israel to obey these resolutions after everyone else on the left asks Palestine, Iran and the rest of the Muslim world to leave Israel alone since it was International law and United Nations that created Israel.
Join me Terry the Turtle brain and I will join you. what do you say?
or do you only respect International Law and the United Nations when it suits your believes and anti-semtic views?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:15 pmThe Bush Adminstration has decided for 6 years not to talk the Palestinans. Unless we do we begin dialouge this conflict will grow and grow. The ME is destined now to become a complete war zone because of Bush.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:17 pmPresident Clinton,
“wow, one powerful book don’t yout hink Crump’s Sister.â€
Your childish name calling notwithstanding, why was THAT location chosen? Why not pick say, Rhode Island?
Comment by Crump’s Brother — June 15, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Because this is the historical site where ancient Israel was located. We don’t need the Bible to tell us this, Crump’s Sister.
Furthermore, it was also chosen because this is the area where the largest concentration of Jews were living.
I am sure you know that Jews had returned to their old location, long before the UN created Israel.
i am sure you know, that there were hundred of Jewish settlements in current day Israel, long before 1948, right?
daughter, nothing to do with the Bible.
once again, Crump’s Sister, my atheist militant, you are wrong.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:17 pmOk, I will call for Israel to obey these resolutions after everyone else on the left asks Palestine, Iran and the rest of the Muslim world to leave Israel alone since it was International law and United Nations that created Israel.
Join me Terry the Turtle brain and I will join you. what do you say?
or do you only respect International Law and the United Nations when it suits your believes and anti-semtic views?
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Palestine will leave Israel alone when they withdraw troops from the occupied territories, tear down the Apartheid wall, remove the illegal colonies, and allow Palestinians the right to return to their former villages.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:18 pmNo, we only label those who call all Muslims extremists as anti-Muslim. Those who point out that there is a group of extremist Muslims within the greater society of Islam are anti-extremists, which in my book, is a good thing. Being anti-extremist does not just mean criticizing Muslims though, it means having the ability to criticize other religious extremists including Jews and Christians. Islam, as Judaism and Christianity, is not synonymous with extremism.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:19 pmJuan C,
Israel took Palestine by force? hahahaha!!! really? when? and I guess the Arab nationd did nothing to Israel first, right?
Guess you have never heard of the Stern Gang eh, knobcheese? Read some history you might educate yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel/History#Political_Zionism
And you think Juan is ignorant?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:19 pmor do you only respect International Law and the United Nations when it suits your believes and anti-semtic views?
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Are you calling me an anti-semite for asking Israel to standby by UN Resolutions? Yes or no.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pmTerry the Turtle,
and while you so worried about anti-semetic UN resolutions, why don’t you point out all the resolutions that the UN has passed against Muslim nations which they have refused to obey or adhere to.
Why don’t you talk about all the resolutions that the UN passed against Syria, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, etc that these nations have refused to follow or obey? Why don’t you speak about the Syrian occupation of Lebanon and their meddling in Lebanon affairs? why don’t you speak about all the Muslims that countries like Syria have killed?
I am sure you know that Muslims have killed more Muslims than any other race, right? you know this, so where is your outrage, Terry the Turtle brain?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:21 pmIt never fails, the left being a bunch of anti-semetic nazis and then we claim that it is the right that are nazis. That is because we don’t understand the true meaning of who a nazi is.
Terry the Turtle,
I asked you a question first, son. Don’t answer a question with a question. Not much of a master debator like me, eh?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:22 pm“Criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic, and saying so is vile. But singling
out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction, out of all proportion
to any other party in the Middle East, is anti-Semitic, and not saying so
is dishonest. ”
Thomas L. Friedman
June 15th, 2007 at 4:22 pmWhy don’t you speak about the Syrian occupation of Lebanon and their meddling in Lebanon affairs? why don’t you speak about all the Muslims that countries like Syria have killed?
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
Why can’t you stay on topic? This is about the Israel/Palestine issue, not Syria or Lebanon.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:24 pmMaybe we should listen to Jewish people who can think. Here.
Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.
General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948
“Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.”
Israel’s occupation of Palestine is Illegal.
Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967
Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and “the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”
Israel’s settlements in Palestine are Illegal.
Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979
“Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East.”
Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination.
General Assembly Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974
Affirms “the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine…to self-determination without external interference” and “to national independence and sovereignty.”
Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State
Security Council Resolution 1397, March 12, 2002
Affirms “a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders.”
Also see:
UN General Assembly Resolution 181 – the 1947 Partition plan of Palestine and the creation of Israel.
International Humanitarian Law: the Geneva Conventions – 150 years of international designated protection of civilians during wartime and Israel’s explicit violations.
History of the Palestinian Problem – from the Division for Palestinian Rights, United Nations
Countless More UN Resolutions on Israel – 1955-1992
June 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pmPresident Clinton,
“Because this is the historical site where ancient Israel was located. We don’t need the Bible to tell us this, Crump’s Sister. ”
Then by this logic I suppose you support the re-instating of Tibet as a soveriegn entity as well?
“once again, Crump’s Sister, my atheist militant, you are wrong.”
You are atheist as well. I am not wrong, you are blind!!
June 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pmOk, I will call for Israel to obey these resolutions after everyone else on the left asks Palestine, Iran and the rest of the Muslim world to leave Israel alone since it was International law and United Nations that created Israel.
Join me Terry the Turtle brain and I will join you. what do you say?
or do you only respect International Law and the United Nations when it suits your believes and anti-semtic views?
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Palestine will leave Israel alone when they withdraw troops from the occupied territories, tear down the Apartheid wall, remove the illegal colonies, and allow Palestinians the right to return to their former villages.
Comment by toasterhead — June 15, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Oh, how much I love ignorant fools like this. They vote Democratic all the time. I love you toasterhaed.
So, what do you say to the fact that Muslims attacks on Jews in current day Israel date as far back as the 1920s, long before Israel was created and long before any wars that the Arabs brought to Israel.
what had Jews done to Arabs in the 1920s? care to explain?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:26 pmTerry the Turtle,
and while you so worried about anti-semetic UN resolutions, why don’t you point out all the resolutions that the UN has passed against Muslim nations which they have refused to obey or adhere to.
Why don’t you talk about all the resolutions that the UN passed against Syria, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, etc that these nations have refused to follow or obey? Why don’t you speak about the Syrian occupation of Lebanon and their meddling in Lebanon affairs? why don’t you speak about all the Muslims that countries like Syria have killed?
I am sure you know that Muslims have killed more Muslims than any other race, right? you know this, so where is your outrage, Terry the Turtle brain?
It never fails, the left being a bunch of anti-semetic nazis and then we claim that it is the right that are nazis. That is because we don’t understand the true meaning of who a nazi is.
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
Let’s see – you are using the ‘anti-semite’ term. That’s not a ‘master debating’ technique – tossing around the racist epithets as ad hominems. You are not worth answering until you either retract that disgusting insult or explain it.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:27 pmYes, Juan C, keep on spewing ignorance, I love it. My left wing friends, such great ignorance.
why don’t you demand that Hamas change its constitution? you know the part that says that Hamas doesn’t want to live side by side Israel, but rather it was the complete destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews in Israel?
why don’t you demand this type of change?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:28 pmYes, Juan C, keep on spewing ignorance, I love it. My left wing friends, such great ignorance.
I think they are known as ‘facts’.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pmPresident Clintontroll is getting putrid ass kicked…as usual.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pmBabs, thanks for ‘wasting your beautiful mind’ on us today.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:32 pmTerry The Turtle Brain,
You, along with many of us on the left, are an anti-semite, a true Nazi. Just like Juan C., MOnkeyTrip, you are an anti-semite.
If youd on’t like it, change!
At least treat Muslims and Arab nations with the same contempt that you treat Israel and Jews and I may start believing that you aren’t a Nazi.
until then, stop crying and squealing like the Nazi pig that you are.
where is yoru demand for Syria to follow UN resolutions? where is your demand that Iran follow UN resolutions? where is your demand that Palestinians groups like Hamas, who Amnesty INternational has shown to be committing human rights violations, stop these atrocities?
why do you treat Israel and the Arab nations so differently? Why do you hold Israel to a much higher standard than you hold Arab nations?
did Israel invade Arab nations in 1948? or was it ALL arab nations that attacked the one day old nation?
where is your outrage against the ARab nations for attacking Israel in 1948?
explain what israel had done to Muslims during the 1920s when Muslims started attacking Jewish settlements in current day Israel.
where is your support for Israel since we on the left support and love INternational Law and the UN and it was these who created Israel?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:33 pmwhat had Jews done to Arabs in the 1920s? care to explain?
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Apart from the 1929 clashes over the Western Wall in al-Quds? Not too much in the 1920s. The real terrorist violence against Arabs started in the 1930s with the formation of Irgun and Lehi. The worst attack was the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946, which killed 91 people including 41 Arabs.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:33 pmYes Barbar Bush, you should talk, with the pathetic piece of sh!t son that you had, right?
It is too easy to take on these simple minded, hypocrite, real nazi, anti-semetic left wing lunatics.
but if it helps you believe, like you believe your son is good, that these bunch of anti-semites are winning, by all means, old hack, believe it.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:35 pmComment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Nope, you don’t seem capable of a sensible discussion without continued disgusting ad homimems. Your lack of self-control is obvious to anyone else on this board. Seek help soon.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:37 pmTP
…you’ve been scrubbing my posts for god knows why…
…EVERYONE who’s paying attention knows that the Middle East is ALREADY…
…in deep sh*t…
…i merely mentioned that it’s too late to say that THIS Palestinian situation…
…THREATENS to destabilize the alread UNSTABLE Middle East…
…and mentioned a few countries that proves the point…
June 15th, 2007 at 4:38 pm“formation of Irgun and Lehi.” – thanks toaster, Irgun, that was the name I was looking for. A nation founded on the fruits of terrorism…. or was that ‘freedom fighters’
June 15th, 2007 at 4:41 pmwhy do you treat Israel and the Arab nations so differently? Why do you hold Israel to a much higher standard than you hold Arab nations?
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
I don’t. I criticize Syria for restricting free speech in discussions about Syria. I criticize Egypt for imprisoning bloggers in discussions about Egypt. I criticize Morocco and Algeria for oppressing Amazigh tribes in discussions about the Maghreb. I also criticize China for its treatment of the Uyghurs and Tibetans and I criticize Turkey for its treatment of Kurds and Armenians. But I don’t bring these issues into completely unrelated discussions.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:44 pmIsreal won the six day but but lost 40 years of peace
June 15th, 2007 at 5:02 pmIsrael’s moral High Ground is on Their side of the border. There was always arab-jewish tension, but it really took off after Israel started building SETTLEMENTS in conquered territory.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:14 pmThe historical treatment of palestinians at the hands of neighboring ARAB/Muslim countries is appaling. So are the conditions in the refugee camps…no economy, no jobs, and a soaring birthrate.
One reason given for Arafats rejection of Clintons peace deal was his fear of assassination by radical elements. They now control Gaza. Their prize is a socio-economic basket case.
Ok, I will call for Israel to obey these resolutions after everyone else on the left asks Palestine, Iran and the rest of the Muslim world to leave Israel alone since it was International law and United Nations that created Israel.
Join me Terry the Turtle brain and I will join you. what do you say?
or do you only respect International Law and the United Nations when it suits your believes and anti-semtic views?
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Palestine will leave Israel alone when they withdraw troops from the occupied territories, tear down the Apartheid wall, remove the illegal colonies, and allow Palestinians the right to return to their former villages.
Comment by toasterhead — June 15, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
Funny section of our foaming-at-the-mouth poster’s rant: he calls for everyone to obey UN resolutions, then toasterhead points out the essence of resolutions 242, one that all the belligerents ultimately signed up to with the exception of Israel and the one that the Arab League has said is the pre-condition to recognition of Israel by the League (also 338) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League_and_the_Arab-Israeli_conflict#After_2000
The result is some more foaming about the state of lawlessless in the 1920s caused in part by some illegal immigration by Jews (hmm, what does this remind you of?).
And then the ‘master debator’ starts calling everyone a Nazi…..
June 15th, 2007 at 5:17 pmThey now control Gaza. Their prize is a socio-economic basket case.
Comment by Badger — June 15, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
I think the word ‘ghetto’ would be appropriate to describe Gaza? A term that people on both sides of the discussion could recognize.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:18 pmSix Days of War, 40 Years of Turmoil ( was it worth it ) No
June 15th, 2007 at 5:21 pmNow Bush ordered free voting in Palestine and Hamas won. Bush didn’t like that so he has been paying Fatah to take over. Israel wont except Hamas as leaders. Connie Rice can’t be found she’s busy trying to cover up her criminal acts before Congress gets her. All parties are calling for God’s help.
God answers: Hamas takes over. Now Israel is ready to talk to Hamas. Bush backed the losing team. God didn’t forget how Israel killed innocent woman and children. Bush and Israel’s plan to take over the Palestinians has failed because Bush/Israel were doing the work of Satan. Look for other Middle Eastern countries to look at this and know the US is no longer the Honest country it once was
June 15th, 2007 at 5:26 pmSo why did Israel build those settlements in conquered territory??
June 15th, 2007 at 5:29 pmThe right wing religious Israeli’s tend to offer a Biblical rationale for this.
I think a believable explanation involves the End of the Cold War.
After the soviet union collapsed, a wave of fierce antisemitism spread over russia. This, coupled with relaxed emmigration policies, led to a flood of jewish refuges into Israel from the former soviet union. The settlements were created because Israel was Desperate for room for it’s people. They thought they could get away with it, and greatly underestimated Arab reaction.
I don’t know if all the king horses and men can fix this.
Can someone sum up for me how we are blaming the Jews and Israel for the fighting in Gaza today between Hamas and Fatah? I’m just a little confused.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:31 pmThe Bush Adminstration has decided for 6 years not to talk the Palestinans. Unless we do we begin dialouge this conflict will grow and grow. The ME is destined now to become a complete war zone because of Bush.
Comment by leftcoast — June 15, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Imagine if Bush actually did talk to them, what would that be like I wonder?
Bush: This reminds me of when God told me to invade Iran and I misunderstood and went to Iraq. Soon we will invade Palist… I mean Iran since they have a lot of good docs that need to practice their love! It’s tough work running the world… I man nation!
June 15th, 2007 at 5:35 pmCan someone sum up for me how we are blaming the Jews and Israel for the fighting in Gaza today between Hamas and Fatah? I’m just a little confused.
Comment by A Moderate Voice — June 15, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Because Israeli restrictions on Ghazans since the pullout, and since the election of Hamas have created a completely unliveable situation for the people of Ghaza. How can they be expected to form a viable and peaceful state if they can’t control their water resources or ports or border crossings or pay government workers with tax shekels collected from their own people?
June 15th, 2007 at 5:39 pm“Witnesses, Fatah officials and a doctor reported executions by Hamas militants of defeated Fatah fighters; Fatah said seven of its men were shot in the head, gangland-style.”-CBS news
Those evil Jews.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:51 pmCan someone sum up for me how we are blaming the Jews and Israel for the fighting in Gaza today between Hamas and Fatah? I’m just a little confused.
Israel’s continued confiscation of Palestinian land in the West Bank and Gaza is being resisted by the Palestinian inhabitants. It is these occupied territories that, according to the Oslo peace accords of 1993, were going to become a Palestinian state. However, when Israel continued to take land in these areas and to move its citizens onto it, the Palestinian population rebelled. This uprising, called the “Intifada” (Arabic for “shaking off”) began at the end of September 2000 and continues to this day.
meanwhile
4,160 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000 and 943 Palestinian children killed By Isrealis
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The U.S. gives more than $7,023,288 per day to the Israeli government and military and gives no money to the Palestinians.
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Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none. AND MOST HAVE BEEN VETOED BY AMERICA AS THE SOLE NATION
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Now America is Arming Fatah , and starving the peaple of Gaza
June 15th, 2007 at 5:58 pmanother show of American Foreign policy at its worst
June 15th, 2007 at 5:59 pmPresident Clingon, I realize it makes it difficult to criticize Israel without sounding “anti-semitic” when Israel defines itself as a Jewish state. However, one must object to your revisionist history. First, Israel attacked first in 1948. And it was first to attack again in 1967. One can argue that a preemptive response was defensive, but, nevertheless, Israel did attack first.
Israeli historians such as Benny Morris have shown that the new nation of Israel engaged in some “ethnic cleansing” to become a predominately Jewish State. And the big problem for Israel after 1967 was that the Palestinians under its control would oblige it to become a secular state if land wasn’t traded for peace.
Yitzak Rabin recognized this. He was willing to trade land for peace. But an Israeli extremist assassinated him. And yet Rabin knew that unless the West Bank and Gaza were removed from Israeli control, Israel would become a failed state.
See what Naomi Klein has to say in Gaza.
June 15th, 2007 at 7:12 pmHeckofa job, Condi!
June 15th, 2007 at 8:45 pmHamas has finalized it’s victory in Gaza that was set in motion by Bush’s flawed strategy . Bush wanted Democracy for the middle east, and was expecting an American style constitutional democracy. What he got was a majority in favor of an Islamic Govt. with Sharia law. OOOPS!
June 15th, 2007 at 8:46 pmHamas is celebrating now, but the reality is that they control an overpopulated urban economic basketcase. THEY are now responsible for the well being of the cities residents, where the main industry is looting. They will be totally dependent on outside AID. Now that they have their PRIDE back, it will be interesting how willing they will be to COMPROMISE with the rest of the world.
One good thing about it …they will be able to DELIVER on any agreements they make..something which Fatah could not do.
The King of Jordan talked about Three Civil wars pending..in Iraq..in Lebannon.. and now in Palestine. The status quo has been shoved by events.
“Well, here’s an idea…perhaps we should start holding Israel responsible for all its U.N. resolution violations.”
No, we don’t hold Israel accountable for their numerous violations of the UN charter because…hmm…I don’t know. They have had more violations than Iraq and we invaded them, didn’t we? I guess right-wingers are just pretty inconsistent.
June 15th, 2007 at 11:17 pmBadger, I am thinking Bush has no small part in the Hamas victory.
June 16th, 2007 at 12:29 am‘What happens in Gaza will not stay in Gaza.’
Slogan for the most poorly thought through spring break trip ever.
June 16th, 2007 at 12:48 amWTF do you mean by “oops” ?
Was this an unseen outcome in the same way that someone wanting a beach volleyball tournament in Iceland was disappointed by the overwhelming amount of snow that appeared and was wholly attributable to their desires ?
It’s not like Palestinians making poor decisions as to their political representation is some new development. In fact I think you’d be shit out of luck trying to explain how they could ever arrive at any other outcome.
June 16th, 2007 at 12:52 amAnd to where would we be turning to see US foreign policy at its best in regard to Israel/Palestine ?
June 16th, 2007 at 12:55 amOh, heres Kilo!!!!!!!!!! Now we can talk about Iran!!!!
June 16th, 2007 at 2:52 amKilo, you are a moron.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:52 am“And to where would we be turning to see US foreign policy at its best in regard to Israel/Palestine ?”
I hate Clinton but I would say he had the best foreign policy in the last 30 years (not saying much).
June 16th, 2007 at 2:53 amWelcome to ‘Palestine’
How troublesome the Muslims of the Middle East are. First, we demand that the Palestinians embrace democracy and then they elect the wrong party – Hamas – and then Hamas wins a mini-civil war and presides over the Gaza Strip. And we Westerners still want to negotiate with the discredited President, Mahmoud Abbas. Today “Palestine” – and let’s keep those quotation marks in place – has two prime ministers. Welcome to the Middle East.
Who can we negotiate with? To whom do we talk? Well of course, we should have talked to Hamas months ago. But we didn’t like the democratically elected government of the Palestinian people. They were supposed to have voted for Fatah and its corrupt leadership. But they voted for Hamas, which declines to recognise Israel or abide by the totally discredited Oslo agreement.
No one asked – on our side – which particular Israel Hamas was supposed to recognise. The Israel of 1948? The Israel of the post-1967 borders? The Israel which builds – and goes on building – vast settlements for Jews and Jews only on Arab land, gobbling up even more of the 22 per cent of “Palestine” still left to negotiate over ?
http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2663199.ece
June 16th, 2007 at 6:03 amUh…. yeah…. because based on…
(a) my never having discussed Iran here before, and
(b) this not being a thread about Iran,
that’s exavtly what you’d be expecting right.
And you’re someone who managed to post 2 replies just to my name. Exhibit A being the smorgasboard of intellect on display above.
June 16th, 2007 at 6:23 amYep. Kind of like foreign policy with North Korea.
June 16th, 2007 at 6:28 amSure US Presidents have changed as have US policies, but who you’re talking to and the policies they won;t abandon hasn’t.
Kilo….I don’t know whether Bush actually believed in his “Democracy for the Middle East” strategy, or whether he was desperate for another reason when no WMDs were found in Iraq.
June 16th, 2007 at 7:08 amBeing a widely read student of history, It’s hard to believe he wasn’t aware of the pitfalls involved.(sarcasm off)
Unfortunately, Bin Laden knew full well what the likely outcome would be, when Bush toppled the Middle East Hornet’s nest.
The US, by ignoring human rights, is responsible for every single “terrorist” created in the middle east.
June 16th, 2007 at 7:48 amIn 2006 Israel exported $3.4 billion in defense products-well over a billion more than it received in US military aid. That makes Israel the fourth-largest arms dealer in the world, overtaking Britain.
the war on terror, the state of constant fear that creates a bottomless global demand for devices that watch, listen, contain and target “suspects.†And fear, it turns out, is the ultimate renewable resource.
Kudos to Naomi Klein .TP readers need to read her article on GAZA.
June 16th, 2007 at 8:53 amAnd then they need to read 1984.
Following the good Rabbi Mordachis (sp?) advice to read more about the Israel/Palestine conflict and strategic rational behind it – I found this book review quite interesting and hope that he can comment upon this as I am interested in solutions and not counterproductive blame. (I haven’t read the book)
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_year_that_never_ended
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 am