Rove-Protege Tim Griffin Dismisses Caging: ‘I Didn’t Cage Animals, I’m Not A Zookeeper’
Rove-Protege Tim Griffin Dismisses Caging: ‘I Didn’t Cage Animals, I’m Not A Zookeeper’
Karl Rove-protege Tim Griffin recently stepped down as U.S. attorney in Arkansas, realizing that his nomination would almost certainly be rejected by the Senate.
Griffin’s tenure was especially controversial because as former Research Director for the Republican National Committee in 2004, he allegedly engaged in the voter suppression of African-American servicemembers through a tactic known as “caging,” which is both illegal under the federal Voting Rights Act and unconstitutional.
At a speech at the University of Arkansas this week, a teary-eyed Tim Griffin defended his record. Like former Justice official Monica Goodling — who called caging just “a direct-mail term — Griffin attempted to dismiss the allegations. He laid the blame on the “Internet stuff” and made jokes comparing caging to tending zoo animals:
Obviously, I’ve seen the Internet stuff about caging. First of all, the allegations that are on the Internet and have spread through the tabloids are completely and absolutely false, number one. And ridiculous. Caging, as you may know, I had it looked up, is a direct-mail term for basically organizing returned mail. … And I’ll just say that it’s so untrue. … This is all made up and faux pas. I didn’t cage votes, I didn’t cage mail, I didn’t cage animals, I’m not a zookeeper.
CLICK HERE TO LISTENGriffin dismissed the accusations but provided no evidence to support his claims, downplaying the severity of caging. But the allegations against Griffin are serious enough that Goodling briefed Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty on them before he testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Griffin will now be joining Fred Thompson’s presidential campaign.
Transcript:
GRIFFIN: Obviously, I’ve seen the Internet stuff about caging. First of all, the allegations that are on the Internet and have spread through the tabloids are completely and absolutely false, number one. And ridiculous. Caging, as you may know, I had it looked up, is a direct-mail term for basically organizing returned mail. Now I know that it has been defined (inaudible) on the Internet as some sort of purging voters, suppressing voters, caging voters, vote caging. All these different thing go back to one guy, who’s name I won’t mention, who wrote something about me when I came in control of the U.S. attorney (inaudible). It’s completely untrue. It’s not even, there’s not even a scintilla of proof. And I’ll just say that it’s so untrue, I don’t know exactly what you want me to say. I didn’t do any of the stuff he alleges, and of course if I didn’t do it, I don’t know of any Karl Rove impact (inaudible). This is all made up and faux pas. I didn’t cage votes, I didn’t cage mail, I didn’t cage animals, I’m not a zookeeper.
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Of course, you are not Zookeeper. ;)
June 15th, 2007 at 3:50 pmHey, Zooey, he says he’s not you! :-)
June 15th, 2007 at 3:51 pmSO WHAT?!?!?
So I purposely attempted to keep certain ‘darker skinned’ elements of our society from having their voice heard through their vote. What’s the big deal?
June 15th, 2007 at 3:52 pm“I didn’t cage animals…”
Woooohoooo those Fascists are funny.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:56 pmAND THE FRIGGIN CESSPOOL OF CORRUPTION CONTINUES DUDE
FOR YOU SCRATCH ME AND I WILL CERTAINLY SMOOZE WITH YOU
AND WE GET THE FRIGGIN DUMPS FOR SERVICE DUDE
ALL FRIGGIN CORRUPTED
JIMBO DUDE IS ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY AND ROCK SOLID TRUTH
JIMBO DUDE ROCKS :)
NOW JIMBO DUDE IS CHILLIN MAN, ROCKIN OUT AND CHILLIN DUDE :)
June 15th, 2007 at 3:57 pmAnd Griffin is such a patriot - according to the repubs - he is welcome to work for Thompson? I guess it says lots about Thompson the presidential candidate, now doesn’t it? If you like the way things are going, please continue to vote republican. If you think the last 6+ years are the most terrible ever visited upon our once great country, then let’s make a change.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:57 pmScum Griffin is starting to look like Rove. You know that dough boy look.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:57 pm‘I Didn’t Cage Animals’, not counting gerbils and my large intestine is not a proper cage.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pmDid you try caging a Chimp wearing official Whitehouse socks and clogs?
-GSD
June 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pmLoved this one:
This is all made up and faux pas.
Obviously some kind of French conspiracy afoot…
June 15th, 2007 at 3:59 pmIt’s the fault of the Interweb tubes.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:59 pmKeep the heat on this TP - there’s smoke and of course where there’s smoke. And this is at the heart of the 2008 planning for the GOP - voter suppression.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pmIf you like the way things are going, please continue to vote republican. If you think the last 6+ years are the most terrible ever visited upon our once great country, then let’s make a change.
Comment by Tom
By voting for who?
The AIPAC warmonger Clinton?
The AIPAC warmonger Oboma?
Or the AIPAC warmonger Edwards?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pmGriffin dismissed the accusations but provided no evidence to support his claims
June 15th, 2007 at 4:03 pmEven as a liberal, I think it is important that accusations be proved. So far, nothing has been proven. We are not required under our laws to prove our innocence. What a stupid remark of my TP that he offered “no evidence of his innocence”. So until, lets tone down the rhetoric.
Will be fun to see how Thompson sweeps this little incident away. But then he isn’t after the Black vote anyway. He is a TRUE Southerner and just wants them darker skinned folks in their place, along with women and their right to control their own body. Being a white male racist and all, is what we want and need in the WH.
Hope this all works out for the Righties…….. 28%ers and sinking fast.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:03 pmHIGHEST INTEGRITY HOUSE OF THE LAND - CORRUPT
UTMOST INTEGRITY TRUTH (DOJ) - CORRUPT
DEPT OF DEFENSE - CORRUPT
EVEN THE FRIGGIN DEPT OF WISDOM (EDUCATION) - CORRUPT
FAITH BASED FIASCO - CORRUPT
EPA, FDA, THE HUGE BLOAT - WASHINGTON IS BOUGHT OUT - CORRUPT
FOR YOU SCRATCH ME AND I SCRATCH YOU… YACHTS, LAND DEALS,
K STREET, CEO’S, SMOOZERS AND CRUISERS
ALL FRIGGIN - CORRUPT
AND WE THE FRIGGIN PEOPLE GETS A COMPLETE CESSPOOL A FRIGGIN
DUMP FOR SERVICE DUDE - LIKE THE FRIGGIN GREASE PITS DUDE
AFTER THESE SHIFTY EYED, FAST SMOOTH TALKIN SMOOZERS HIJACK
AND WHEEL/DEAL STUFFIN ALL THEIR PORK TO WHAT SUPPOSE TO
SERVE THE PEOPLE - WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE LEFT WITH DUDE -
60 FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS BY SOME ESTIMATES AND MOST CERTAINLY
9 TRILLION - RIGHT…. RIGGED… THE FRIGGIN BOOKS ARE COOKED!!!!!!!!!
JIMBO DUDE ROCKS AND HAS TO TRY TO KEEP CHILLIN DUDE
June 15th, 2007 at 4:04 pmSince he’s Rove’s protege, maybe he doesn’t cage animals, maybe he just “tears the tops” off of them.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:04 pmSuch wit. Obviously a major league mind at work here. No wonder they shipped him to Arkansas.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:07 pmGood one Jane…I don’t trust neo-con’s at all and I realy dislike the crier’s, this one and bohner are clone’s…Blessings
June 15th, 2007 at 4:10 pmNo, he just denied dark-skinned members of the military their Constitutional right to vote.
Someone should punch him right in the mouth for that smartass remark. If he were my child, I would get on a plane, fly to where ever he happened to be, grab him by the ear and drag him in front of a presser and only let go after he apologized.
These family values fluffers sure do raise rude little bastards, don’t they? Hate must be one of their family values.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI didn’t cage animals, I’m not a zookeeper.
so is he saying minorities are animals?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:11 pmSuch wit. Obviously a major league mind at work here. No wonder they shipped him to Arkansas.
Comment by subtle — June 15, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
What do not you understand about…?
“Obviously, I’ve seen the Internet stuff about caging.”
I see stuff all the time.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:11 pmleftcoast
June 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pmConyers has the EVIDENCE in hand of Griffin’s caging scheme. He resigned the day the news broke. There is additional evidence of his crimes in his emails bragging about the fact that the story broke in the UK but wasn’t picked up by the MSM in the US. It isn’t rhetoric, he clearly was a key player in caging votes of minorities and DEPLOYED military.
So stop making excuses for these criminals, there is no way Griffin is not guilty, the EVIDENCE of his crimes has been vetted by the Guardian and is finally in the hands of Congress. Can’t wait for that slime to be behind bars.
Fred and Tim were meant for each other…they both hate minorities, Fred hates women, Tim hates blacks, it is a pair made in heav…..hell.
IGNORE THE TROLLS - Debate good, Trolls bad
June 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pmWe are not required under our laws to prove our innocence.
That depends - have you been listening to All Things Considered this week? The man who was locked up for 18 years for a crime he did not commit, and now he has to prove his innocence in order to receive any compensation for having his prime stolen.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:14 pmLet’s see him crack jokes from prison.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:15 pm#27… PRISON DUDE
ARE YOU REFERRING TO POLITICAL
HOODLUMS
SWINDLERS
CRIMINALS
DUDE?
SHIFTY EYED, FAST SMOOTH TALKING CRIMINALS DUDE
CORRUPT I SAY
FRIGGIN A BUNCH OF FRIGGIN HOODLUMS DUDE
June 15th, 2007 at 4:18 pmIf you like the way things are going, please continue to vote republican. If you think the last 6+ years are the most terrible ever visited upon our once great country, then let’s make a change.
Comment by Tom
By voting for who?
The AIPAC warmonger Clinton?
The AIPAC warmonger Oboma?
Or the AIPAC warmonger Edwards?
Comment by JPV — June 15, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
Why do people persist in the delusion that your ONLY choices in an election are between the Republicans and the Democrats? There are other candidates out there. Most people only learn they exist when they step into the voting and see their names for the first time.
Neither major political party has served the people well and I, for one, am only too happy to do what I can to help a third party emerge (and, yes, a liberal one.) If a third party candidate for president can get (I think) 5% of the popular vote in a presidential election, that party can automatically get on ballots across the country which, in turn, means more of an opportunity for the people to choose representation in Congress that represents us, the people, instead of corporate America.
You do have other choices. You are not limited to Ds & Rs.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:18 pmso is he saying minorities are animals?
Comment by Jim #21
…his attempt at being…
…clever…
June 15th, 2007 at 4:18 pmjohnjacobjingleheimerschmitt,
Right, and at the present rate of Congress getting to the bottom of things they’ll be in prison by….. what decade is this?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:19 pmJIMBO DUDE IS GRIPPIN MAN
JIMBO DUDE ROCKS
JIMBO DUDE IS CHILLIN
GRIPPIN DUDE GRIPPIN
June 15th, 2007 at 4:19 pmGEEZ! I really like Fred T. as an actor but his positions as a politician are scary. Unlike trolls on the right though, I will continue to go to his films and watch him on TV. I realize in America, we do not all have to walk in lock step with each other. That is democracy. The GOP cess(candidate) pool keeps making the Dems look better and better.
GORE/OBAMA ‘08
GO! ‘08
June 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pmWhy do people persist in the delusion that your ONLY choices in an election are between the Republicans and the Democrats? There are other candidates out there. Most people only learn they exist when they step into the voting and see their names for the first time.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I totally agree with you on this, but all I ever seem to see around here, are folks that are under the mistaken and naive impression, that the Democrats are the solution to the problem. IMO, they are merely another part of the problem.
I would love to vote for Ron Paul, in the unlikely event that he gets the Republican nomination. Unfortunately, he has gone on the record as saying that if he doesn’t get the nomination, he will not run as an independent. Strange, considering that he’s a Libertarian anyway.
Anyway, every time I bring Ron Paul up, around here, I get shot down by people saying that it would be unrealistic for him to win, so what’s the point?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:24 pmYahoo-
Ex-US attorney to ‘move on’ after probe
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - At times wiping away tears, a former interim U.S. attorney who became a key figure in the firing of eight federal prosecutors said his six-month tenure led him to believe that public service was “not worth it.”
Tim Griffin, a former aide to presidential adviser Karl Rove, said the allure of working at the White House and National Guard commitments that took him to Iraq kept him away from Arkansas and his wife too long.
“It’s not worth it. I’m married now and have a kid,” Griffin, 38, said in a 90-minute address Thursday at the Clinton School of Public Service. “I’m sorry I put my wife through this and I’m trying to move on.”
Griffin replaced Bud Cummins, one of eight federal prosecutors either fired or forced out last year. Griffin said Cummins had told him in April 2006 about his coming departure as chief federal prosecutor in Arkansas’ eastern district.
“So when I heard from Bud he had been asked to leave in the summer of 2006, I wasn’t surprised,” Griffin said. “But no one promised me the U.S. attorney position, nor could they, because the president personally decides that. I knew that I had friends in the administration who valued my service.”
Documents released to congressional investigators, however, show the Justice Department had identified Griffin to replace Cummins as early as January 2006.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pmComment by Justice
June 15th, 2007 at 4:25 pmI didn’t know. Thanks for the info.
I realize in America, we do not all have to walk in lock step with each other. That is democracy. The GOP cess(candidate) pool keeps making the Dems look better and better.
GORE/OBAMA ‘08
GO! ‘08
Comment by Texasjuic
Sigh… see what I mean Wayne?
June 15th, 2007 at 4:26 pmLies, lies and more lies.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:26 pmHIGHEST INTEGRITY HOUSE OF THE LAND - CORRUPT
UTMOST INTEGRITY TRUTH (DOJ) - CORRUPT
DEPT OF DEFENSE - CORRUPT
EVEN THE FRIGGIN DEPT OF WISDOM (EDUCATION) - CORRUPT
FAITH BASED FIASCO - CORRUPT
EPA, FDA, THE HUGE BLOAT - WASHINGTON IS BOUGHT OUT - CORRUPT
FOR YOU SCRATCH ME AND I SCRATCH YOU… YACHTS, LAND DEALS,
K STREET, CEO’S, SMOOZERS AND CRUISERS
ALL FRIGGIN - CORRUPT
AND WE THE FRIGGIN PEOPLE GETS A COMPLETE CESSPOOL A FRIGGIN
DUMP FOR SERVICE DUDE - LIKE THE FRIGGIN GREASE PITS DUDE
AFTER THESE SHIFTY EYED, FAST SMOOTH TALKIN SMOOZERS HIJACK
AND WHEEL/DEAL STUFFIN ALL THEIR PORK TO WHAT SUPPOSE TO
SERVE THE PEOPLE - WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE LEFT WITH DUDE -
60 FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS BY SOME ESTIMATES AND MOST CERTAINLY
9 TRILLION - RIGHT…. RIGGED… THE FRIGGIN BOOKS ARE COOKED!!!!!!!!!
JIMBO DUDE ROCKS AND HAS TO TRY TO KEEP CHILLIN DUDE
June 15th, 2007 at 4:28 pm“I didn’t know. Thanks for the info.
Comment by leftcoast — June 15, 2007 @ 4:25 pm”
Here is the information…
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4594
June 15th, 2007 at 4:29 pmComment by Texas Democrat #30
…the most vile injustices…
…always seem to take forever…
…to resolve…
…look at the Klanspig convicted by a Mississippi jury yesterday…
…for a kidnapping and murder that happened over 40 years ago…
…JUSTICE is always served…
…maybe not in our time or even in man’s law…
…but in time and karma…
June 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pmHe’ll see the inside of a cage in the near future.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pmWE
THE
FRIGGIN
PEOPLE
GET
THE
DOG
GONE
DUMPS DUDE FRIGGIN DUMPS
FOR
SERVICE
DUDE
WASHINTON IS FRIGGIN TOTALLY BOUGHT OUT
DUDE
CHILLIN MAN CHILLIN
JIMBO
DUDE
ROCKS :)
June 15th, 2007 at 4:30 pmOf course you didn’t “Cage” any animals, you just caged the votes of african-america military personnel you sorry bastard!!!
June 15th, 2007 at 4:33 pmRove’s protege? He looks like Rove’s love child.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:34 pmYou do have other choices. You are not limited to Ds & Rs.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 15, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
I don’t know about that Wayne. The way the system is here there’s really not much choice unless you’re just going for symbolism. If we had the parliamentary system where different parties gain seats then the Dems and the Greens, for example, could join up on certain issues.
The NDP party in Canada (New Democratic Party) is a great example of how that can work. They probably will never take the majority of the seats but they wield quite a bit of influence and hence actually have some power.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pmdoes think progress have evidence that he, indeed, engaged in caging?
i don’t see any…..
June 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pm“i don’t see any…..
Comment by bill — June 15, 2007 @ 4:36 pm”
Try doing some research…..
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4594
See the subject?????
RE: caging!!!!
I would say that is EVIDENCE!
June 15th, 2007 at 4:40 pmdoes think progress have evidence that he, indeed, engaged in caging?
i don’t see any…..
Comment by bill
Here is the information…
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4594
June 15th, 2007 at 4:41 pmbill,
If it looks like a duck and talks like a duck….
June 15th, 2007 at 4:42 pmRemoveBush- God I wish Pelosi would take a real stand. I’m so disappoined with the Dems now.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:44 pm“RemoveBush- God I wish Pelosi would take a real stand. I’m so disappoined with the Dems now.
Comment by leftcoast — June 15, 2007 @ 4:44 pm”
Me too……
I was like….. Why did Conyers bother to hold all those “non-official” meetings in the basement all those months if they were going to just throw away Impeachment?????
If it was ever needed ANYTIME in American history, it is NOW!
June 15th, 2007 at 4:47 pmHoly crap! This guy’s an idiot! This is what they wanted for a U.S. Attorney in Arkansas?
It’s time to get him in the hearing room. There is such a mountain of evidence of his knowledge of caging and his intention with regard to suppressing minority votes, he can’t squirm out of this one.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:48 pmGosh, Rove-protege Griffin even looks like Rove: pudgy and pasty.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:48 pmFred’s Karl Rovebot. What a team he’s assembling!!! Can’t wait for the smearing that will come out of their campaign.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:49 pmIf it was ever needed ANYTIME in American history, it is NOW!
Comment by RemoveBush
June 15th, 2007 at 4:49 pmImpeachment is so needed, even if the votes are not there. We need to tell thle world that America will not be run the way it has.
With an arrogant comment like, “I’m not a zookeeper” he reveals why he fit in so well with the current administration.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:51 pmuh, leftcoast, it’s not “evidence” until palast discloses the documents, and we read them.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:52 pmHe is not very good at doing the Bush dance, is he?! Apparently, he is a true idiot, as well, using language he doesn’t even understand when trying to lie his way out of something.
I hope he is criminally indicted, convicted and caged…preferably with O’Reilly’s bear…
June 15th, 2007 at 4:53 pmHave you ever noticed that it is the Republican party that has always been tied to vote fraud. How many national political parties have signed consent agreements to stop practices consistent with voter fraud?
REPUBLICANS for amongst other transgressions, vote caging.
Indeed, the Republicans have always attempted systemic voter fraud. Remember the use of caging techniques? How about notices sent out threatening blacks of possible prosecution should they make any mistake in registration or voting? How about hiring a firm to flood a Dem statewide get-out-the-vote line? What about recording the license plate number of native Americans? Flooding polls with vote challengers? Challenges to legitimate votes as done during the last election in Ohio (Republican donors were ask to challenge voters just based upon the request of party minders).
Whereas the typical Republican complaint concerning voter fraud concerns improper registration of certain individuals (convicted felon, immigrant, college student) or the gathering of invalid signatures by registration collection personnel (usually paid on a per reg basis with absolutely no evidence of actual fraudulent votes). In other words, no attempt by the Democrats to subvert democracy.
Griffin fits in well with the cabal of La Costra Republicannostra.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pmuh, leftcoast, it’s not “evidence†until palast discloses the documents, and we read them.
Comment by bill
June 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pmCorrect. I want to read the documents.
“uh, leftcoast, it’s not “evidence†until palast discloses the documents, and we read them.
Comment by bill — June 15, 2007 @ 4:52 pm”
Did you even BOTHER to read the article that myself and leftcoast provided????
Palast handed the emails over to Conyers in the Congress…..
June 15th, 2007 at 4:55 pm#53 Eskwaya
Gosh, Rove-protege Griffin even looks like Rove: pudgy and pasty.
I think that’s in the job description under “Required”: pudgy and pasty
June 15th, 2007 at 4:55 pmIt is really well defined in this one picture….. Addresses of the places, with name, and what not…..
June 15th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
So, Griffin just pulled the word “caging” out of thin air in his emails?
June 15th, 2007 at 5:00 pmWhy did the picture link not show up??
June 15th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/ 124/ 413062748_ce089536a3_o.jpg
June 15th, 2007 at 5:01 pmDon’t go into stand up comedy and don’t quit your day job.
Better still… quit your day job!
June 15th, 2007 at 5:02 pm#57 bill
uh, leftcoast, it’s not “evidence†until palast discloses the documents, and we read them.
Here. Read them yourself: http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp
Just search for “griffin” or “caging” in the page.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:06 pmThe caging email is damning. Look at the subject line.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:08 pmHey, subtle! Ease up on Arkansas. Not all of us are dim bulbs like Griffin!
June 15th, 2007 at 5:08 pmnice try, chimpeach.
oh, and palast did not “hand” the documents to conyers.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:09 pmHey, subtle! Ease up on Arkansas. Not all of us are dim bulbs like Griffin!
Comment by BlueArkansas
June 15th, 2007 at 5:10 pmArkansas is Great! I have great relatives there that are democrats and into politics. This problem has nothing to do with Arkansas.
My grandparents were from Arkansas. They taught me to be open and to listen. To use my judgment. You will find the same today there.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:14 pmI’m sure Mr. Griffin would gladly state that at a hearing under oath.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:16 pmhttp://www.gregpalast.com/ rove-pick-for-us-attorney-resigns-following-conyers%E2%80%99-request-for-bbc-documents/
nice try, chimpeach.
oh, and palast did not “hand†the documents to conyers.
Comment by bill — June 15, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Are you sure - wonder what Greg and John are doing in that picture on my link?
June 15th, 2007 at 5:22 pm#71 bill
oh, and palast did not “hand†the documents to conyers.
Uh, yes. He did. He gave them to him in person.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:22 pmYou do have other choices. You are not limited to Ds & Rs.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
That is what I was talking about. We need to break free from the R vs D thinking. There has to be a way for a viable third (or fourth) party to evolve, even it is only to allow for a ‘none of the above’ vote philosophy. The country - and its citizens - are not being served with the present structure.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:22 pmEight U.S. Reps Call for Impeachment of Dick Cheney
June 15th, 2007 at 5:24 pmLawyer up, Tim, lawyer up.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:35 pmAs far as election fraud is concerned, let’s all keep in mind that Republicans will NOT be running the election and counting the votes in Ohio next year.
Carry on!
June 15th, 2007 at 5:43 pmThat says alot for the brave black soldiers dying for the United States but not have any rights. Tim did good he got to play an attorney for the DOJ without any experience.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:44 pmWhy do people persist in the delusion that your ONLY choices in an election are between the Republicans and the Democrats? There are other candidates out there. Most people only learn they exist when they step into the voting and see their names for the first time.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Yeah, here’s a response that I get to being critical of both Democrats and Republicans on the site.
Just so you can see the type of BS that I have to deal with.
Hasn’t the “do nothing†Democratic Congress shown any of you guys that the 2 parties are in bed with each other?
oh, jeez, not this lame ass, backwards(im really a closet republican acting like a democrat who’s ‘pissed off’ that the Dems are doing anything) rambling claptrap again. Do some f@cking research. Hell, watch cspan. please, STFU til you know what is coming out of your mouth.
don’t respond to me either. I prefer to have conversations with informed people.I explained all this in an earlier hread. I’m too tired to wake your monkey ass up to reality right now…
sigh…….
Comment by whiteyfresh
Anyway, I’ve pretty much had it with this country. I’m moving to Europe in a few months, anyway.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:53 pmComment by Sharon — June 15, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
Hey, Sharon, good to see you - blessings right back atcha!
June 15th, 2007 at 6:13 pmLet’s see. I’m up to my ass in alligators over this “caging” thing. Maybe if I try some misdirection. Yeah, that’s the ticket. I’m not caging any animals, you know. It’s just a direct mail term. For basically organizing returned mail. It’s not like I’ve done anything wrong. It’s just this internet stuff. What? They’ve got my emails! Oh f@&k!
June 15th, 2007 at 6:17 pmYou are not a zookeeper, Tim, you are one of the animals, a thug of the crime family and just because KKKarl Rove told you to do it, and didn’t explain to you it was against the law doesn’t make it less a crime, asswipe. You are a thug, a member of the Bush crime family…deal with it.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:19 pm#57 bill
Look, read, and weep.
http://www.gregpalast.com/index.php
June 15th, 2007 at 6:23 pmAnyway, every time I bring Ron Paul up, around here, I get shot down by people saying that it would be unrealistic for him to win, so what’s the point?
Comment by JPV — June 15, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
And that, my friend, is the reason we get stuck with virtually nothing but Democrats and Republicans to represent us. Folks, democracy takes more than simply participation, it takes courage. Courage to stand up and say, “This is my vote and this is the person I want to cast it for.” The people who will most vociferously tell you that you are “wasting your vote” if you don’t pick one of the two major political parties are…wait for it…the two major political parties!
I live in NYS and in 2000, I knew that Al Gore would win our state easily. SO I cast my vote for ralph nader because if could get enough votes in that election, the Green Party would automatically get on the ballots (for all federal elections) for the next four years. He came up short, of course, because people voted for him in states where Gore’s lead was too slim and it made the difference. (Florida was not Nader’s fault. The Bush brothers colluded to shave thousands of minority voters off the rolls; people who likely would have voted for Gore.)
Be brave, my friends. If you like the Green Party candidate, vote for that candidate. If you want to vote for the Conservative Party candidate, then do so. Or vote Liberal or vote Libertarian, but vote for someone other than a Democrat or Republican, and you will taking the first steps toward returning our government to the people who rightfully own it. That’s the way the system is supposed to work. Don’t you let them tell you otherwise.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:28 pmSigh… see what I mean Wayne?
Comment by JPV — June 15, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Yeah, I do. I’m waiting to see who the Unity Party puts up (if anyone). Maybe they’ll help break the stranglehold our two big parties have on our government (and our lives).
June 15th, 2007 at 6:32 pmI don’t know about that Wayne. The way the system is here there’s really not much choice unless you’re just going for symbolism. If we had the parliamentary system where different parties gain seats then the Dems and the Greens, for example, could join up on certain issues.
Comment by margaret — June 15, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
I hear you, friend, but don’t be scared. It’s YOUR vote to cast, not their vote to take. THEY answer to YOU, not the other way around. Perhaps this is a good time to remind people who haven’t seen it yet (though I suspect most here have) to go out and rent/buy “V For Vendetta”. You won’t be sorry.
The people shouldn’t be afraid of the government; the government should be afraid of the people. Remember that!
You can do it! Vote third party, and your vote will have meaning. Imagine (as highly improbable though it may be) if neither the Republican nor the Democratic candidate for president won a single electoral vote. That would be a sweet day in American history. And the only ones stopping us from doing it (besides Rove, Griffin, and their entire vote suppression team) is us.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:41 pmNo, you’re a partisan errand boy for the reich wing!
June 15th, 2007 at 6:52 pmAnyway, I’ve pretty much had it with this country. I’m moving to Europe in a few months, anyway.
Comment by JPV — June 15, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Sadly, it’s true that a lot of Americans have uninformed opinions. It’s a shame that the pollsters have conned people into believing their numbers. They won’t reveal their methodology for how they can turn 1,000 responses into the hard firm opinions of 300,000,000 people. They constantly spew our their “results” without twelling us that it is based on statistical probablility, and that staistical probability does not accurately predict the future. Polls showing who would win if the election were held today are meaningless, because the election isn’t being held today, and not enough is known about any of the candidates’ positions.
An informed electorate is a happy electorate.
An uninformed electorate is a nation of slaves.
Remember: Give ‘em the bird! Vote for a third!
June 15th, 2007 at 6:55 pm‘I Didn’t Cage Animals, I’m Not A Zookeeper’
WHAT A COMPLETLY RACIST, ‘ACT LIKE A MORON’ PIECE OF SHIT, REPUBNISCUM COMMENT!!! PH*CK YOU GRIFFIN!!!!
June 15th, 2007 at 7:09 pmIf he was actively trying to prevent service members from voting - cant this also be investigated by the armed services committee?
June 15th, 2007 at 7:11 pmHow many chins can you count on little Timmy?
June 15th, 2007 at 7:27 pmIf he was actively trying to prevent service members from voting - cant this also be investigated by the armed services committee?
Comment by annie M — June 15, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
When do we get to the handcuffin’ people part??? Where’s the “perp walks?”
Where’s even the threat of impeachment? Nancy PollLooser needs to get right with the people and fix this sh!t now!!!
Maybe she’s too busy suckin’ up corp cash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need results and this Congress ain’t gettin’ it dun…
June 15th, 2007 at 7:27 pmIts amazing how many dems/independents here are unaware of Greg Palast’s investigative work concerning the Rove/Griffin Caging scheme. My G-d, Palast has had the EVIDENCE FOR YEARS. Its been in his books and on his website for years.
When Palast handed over the evidence to John Conyers it should’ve been the lead story on every newscast and the lead headline of every newspaper.
Indeed Palast said on the Randi Rhodes show that it was the lead headline story all over the world….everywhere except here in the good ol’ USA where it matters most!
I get sicker by the day!
Now we wait to see what Conyers does with the evidence.
June 15th, 2007 at 7:39 pmNancy PollLooser needs to get right with the people and fix this sh!t now!!!
Comment by dixie blood — June 15, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
I like your new name for her, dixie blood. Very clever. But may I make a suggestion?
June 15th, 2007 at 7:40 pm“Lose” is the opposite of “win”, and “loose” is the opposite of “tight”.
Perhaps that should be “Nancy PollLoser”, without the double-o.
Just a suggestion.
Larry from C,
I get his newsletters, Larry. He’s done some great investigative work but the American media won’t report it to us. They’re afraid of their corporate masters. I encourage everyone to read “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.” I can’t wait to get a copy of “Armed Madhouse”. Folks, if you’re not paying attention to what Palast has been reporting, you are not informed. It really is that simple.
June 15th, 2007 at 7:43 pm#98 Wayne…Indeed. Greg has been the best source of information on Bush crimes. He is so good that no media outlet in our country would consider hiring him. If every American were forced to read his books Bush, Cheney and Rove would be fleeing the country this very moment.
June 15th, 2007 at 7:48 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 15, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
You are right!! Double O gone! I will make this change going forward…I hope she can grow a set of ovaries and start standing up, tooth and nail polish, to the useless Repugniscums in this world!!! Then I will relent with my “suggestions” that she is failing to make the Congress MORE POPULAR!!!
June 15th, 2007 at 7:49 pmLOL > the Republican party is a ZOO. GOPers act like animals.
June 15th, 2007 at 7:54 pmWhat is it about republican strategists these days. This doughy-faced creep’s got double chins and double cheeks. He looks like karl Rove’s evil twin. And, he’s going to work for the “ruggedly handsome” Fred Thompson. Yikes. These two guys are going to have to bring along a team just to fix the mirrors which will be cracking each time they pass one.
He wouldn’t have lasted two minutes in my batallion. Griffin! Put down the fork, mix in a salad and drop and give me 50!
June 15th, 2007 at 7:57 pmGawd…he’s starting to look like Karl Rove. Give him another couple years and he’ll be Karl’s twin.
June 15th, 2007 at 8:30 pm#87 I had your philosophy up until the Republicans stole the election of 2000, 2002, and 2004. I was never registered to a party because I felt the same way as you. The first step in defeating the thugs who are stealing our elections, KKKarl Rove and the crime family stacking the deck in the courts and now the DOJ, we have to defeat the GOP first, remove all the criminals from the DOJ and the courts and then form a new party to go forward. Unfortunately we have allowed these two parties to become too powerful on the local levels to be effective any other way.
June 15th, 2007 at 8:35 pmAnd Paris says the food is awful, so I’m not going.
June 15th, 2007 at 8:47 pm“Gawd…he’s starting to look like Karl Rove. Give him another couple years and he’ll be Karl’s twin.”
Geez, that’s exactly my same thought seeing this picture!
June 15th, 2007 at 9:13 pmHe looks like Karl might, if he didn’t eat so much
Blackberry cobbler……………..’
These two guys are going to have to bring along a team just to fix the mirrors which will be cracking each time they pass one.
He wouldn’t have lasted two minutes in my batallion. Griffin! Put down the fork, mix in a salad and drop and give me 50!
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 15, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
As a woman I can tell you all the good looking men are progressive. And the last two handsome Presidents, Clinton and Kennedy, Democrats. Just saying …
June 15th, 2007 at 9:23 pmWow. It never occurred to me that Karl Rove’s pre-pubescent clone could cry.
June 15th, 2007 at 9:57 pmComment by elemgee — June 15, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
It looks like a lot of things “never occurred to” you tonight. Glad to see that you’re catching up! ;-)
June 15th, 2007 at 10:30 pmSo, he is playing semantic games? The guy caged voters, not animals. Anybody want to tell me how it is better?
June 15th, 2007 at 10:54 pmExcuse me?
He most certainly is not a Zookeeper.
June 16th, 2007 at 12:00 amLOL, Zoo, eveybody knows that!!
June 16th, 2007 at 12:04 amHonestly, though Zoo, very few people know the Zookeeper.
June 16th, 2007 at 12:04 amAs it should be, JPark. :)
June 16th, 2007 at 12:33 amI agree, only the chosen should know the Zookeeper!!! :)
June 16th, 2007 at 12:37 amI agree, only the chosen should know the Zookeeper!!! :)
Comment by JPark — June 16, 2007 @ 12:37 am
I’m happy to be one of the Chosen!
June 16th, 2007 at 1:31 amJane, me too.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:19 amJPark, me three.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:36 amHehe, Jane and Wayne, I am just assuming. I may be out of bounds.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:48 amHehe, Jane and Wayne, I am just assuming. I may be out of bounds.
Comment by JPark — June 16, 2007 @ 2:48 am
Well, she does visit my blog and leaves nice comments. So I could never think ill of her, nor have I ever seen any reason to.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:01 amMr Griffin, You aren’t funny nor is any of the political territory in public trust that you seem to take lightly.
You have no business being appointed as a Fed Prosecutor. You haven’t the experience nor qualification. Let alone the impartialness needed for such power of a position.
You joke when you should be serious. Seek some mental health counciling………………. My free advice.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:07 amWayne, Zoo, is the oooooman. I don’t know her personally but I trust her. I am sure she visits your blog and is her classy self. Like I said, she is the ooooman.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:17 amLike I said, she is the ooooman.
Comment by JPark — June 16, 2007 @ 3:17 am
Is that what the kids are calling it these days? I’m not familiar with that term. Is that anything like being “da bomb”?
June 16th, 2007 at 3:39 amHehe, Jane and Wayne, I am just assuming. I may be out of bounds.
Comment by JPark — June 16, 2007 @ 2:48 am
Hey, we’re just assuming, too, but, hell, “we knew her when” she was the ‘original’ “Zookeeper.”
June 16th, 2007 at 3:45 amWTF?!…seriously, WTF?!
June 16th, 2007 at 3:54 amI don’t think that word means what you think it means.
June 16th, 2007 at 9:54 amOh my. I missed the Zookeeper lovefest. :)
Thanks, all. *blush*
June 16th, 2007 at 10:19 amHe is technically correct when he says that “caging” is a direct-mail term. Direct mail is advertising. You send advertising to an address, so you want to know which address isn’t valid, especially if you are sending something like a catalog. But, what was Griffin advertising when he sent letters to afro American service people to addresses he knew they no longer resided due to having been deployed to Iraq? The only thing he was “advertising” was voter suppression. And that is the other definition of “caging”, a method of voter suppression. What I don’t understand is why no one is bringing this man up on charges. What he did was illegal for gods sake. It’s about time we make someone in the Bush Crime Family pay for their crimes.
June 16th, 2007 at 10:23 am“I would love to vote for Ron Paul, in the unlikely event that he gets the Republican nomination. ”
Why would you want to vote for Ron Paul? Other than his stance on Iraq, he is a 100% card-carrying Bush poodle. He has voted with Bush something like 95% of the time. Is that who you really want as our President? Someone who will carry on Bush policies in every area except for the occupation of Iraq. Get real.
I am sad that we have a two party system. I would love to have another viable party. I would love to see a Progressive party with Russ Feingold as the head of that party. But, with our system of government and how we elect our President, having a third party, especially if it was a Progressive party, would only pull votes from the Democrats and that would allow the Lemming Republic party to win again. I don’t think we can afford to allow that to happen again.
June 16th, 2007 at 10:28 amHere is how Griffin defines caging.
“Caging, as you may know, I had it looked up, is a direct-mail term for basically organizing returned mail.”
Here is how Wikipedia defines caging.
“Caging is a term of art in the direct mail industry, as well as a term applied to an alleged technique of voter suppression.”
So I guess one would capture and retain the returned mail, i.e., the absentee ballots which were sent to black American service members. The fact that the mail was caged meant that no additional effort was made to ensure the service member got his ballot?
So, Griffin “organized” the ballots in such a way that he suppressed the possibility of the service member getting his/her ballot? Is that voter suppression? Naah, Griffin says, and you know what an impeccable reputation he has.
June 16th, 2007 at 11:42 amComment by Kate Henry — June 16, 2007 @ 10:28 am
But, if we allow all political parties to have the same privilages (such as automatically getting candidates on the ballots for federal elections without having to gather signatures and so on), we could take away the advantage the two parties have over everyone else. Then we could see a whole slew of candidates and, you know, I don’t think it would be bad at all if the ballot for president had as many candidates as the Iraqi elections did. (Or the Davis Replacement Election in CA.)
We are stronger, not weaker, when many differing voices are brought into the discussion. It should never be as simple as trying to get just x-number of members of the only other party around to vote for something. In fact, the best thing for us would be if NO political party had an absolute (or even near absolute) majority in either House. Then they would be forced to negotiate and compromise to get legislation throuogh, and this helps keep the corrupt stuff from getting passed and signed into law.
I think I’ll add that thought to the post I’m working on for my blog. Thanks, Kate.
June 16th, 2007 at 10:19 pm