Thompson: Late-Term Abortion Is ‘Infanticide,’ Roe v. Wade Most Harmful Court Case In 40 Years
Thompson: Late-Term Abortion Is ‘Infanticide,’ Roe v. Wade Most Harmful Court Case In 40 Years
In statements made this week, former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-TN) has staked out several radical positions on abortion rights and reproductive health issues, positions that are far more conservative than even those of President Bush.
In an interview with the Hoover Institution, Thompson argued that Roe v. Wade is the most harmful Supreme Court decision in 40 years and should be overturned. Thompson called the decision “bad law” and “bad medicine,” and appeared to agree with Robert Bork, the notorious far-right judge whose Supreme Court nomination was rejected, that Roe v. Wade contains “not a single sentence of legal reasoning.”
Also, Thompson gave a video address yesterday at the National Right to Life conference, in which he equated late-term abortions with infanticide:
In 1994, I made my first run for the U.S. Senate. I was proud to receive the National Right to Life endorsement. I’ve been with you ever since. You’ve been with me ever since. On abortion related votes I’ve been 100 percent. We’ve had a lot of different kind of issues come up in the Senate from federal funding to stem cell research, Roe versus Wade and the partial birth abortion debate or as former Senator Pat Moynihan of New York used to say it’s more like infanticide than partial birth abortion.
Watch Thompson’s comments on Roe v. Wade (10:12):
Thompson’s views are extreme and outside of the mainstream. According to a recent Gallup poll, just 35 percent of the American public agree that the Supreme Court should overturn Roe v. Wade, which relied on a long line of precedent that established a fundamental right to privacy that includes personal decisions about whether to bear a child.
The “late-term” or “partial birth” abortions decried by the right wing are actually performed in the middle of a pregnancy — prior to viability — which more Americans support. Despite being safer than other midterm techniques, the Supreme Court recently upheld a ban on the procedure — even though it had no exception to preserve a woman’s health. Women and their doctors should be the ones to decide the best procedure. Thompson’s comments recklessly imply that these women are deliberately killing infants and should be criminalized.
UPDATE: Scott at Lawyers, Guns and Money has more on Thompson’s views.
UPDATE II: RH Reality Check and Bush v. Choice has more on the speeches at the National Right to Life conference.
UPDATE III: We’ve corrected an earlier version of the post which said that Thompson believed Roe v. Wade was the most harmful Supreme Court case in history. He said it was the most harmful case in the past 40 years. We apologize for the error.
Transcript:
Q: Since you got your law degree in 1967, which decision of the Supreme Court has done the greatest disservice to the nation?
THOMPSON: Oh, I suppose, that overall, I’d have to say Roe v. Wade.
Q: Two comments on Roe v. Wade occurred to me immediately. Judge Bork has written — I think I can quote him exactly — that Roe v. Wade contains “not a single sentence of legal reasoning.” Bad decision from the first word to the last.
THOMPSON: Right.
Q: Rudy Giuliani recently said, that he’d appoint justices, and it would be alright with him if they upheld Roe, and it would be alright with him if they overturned Roe. What’s your view on this?
THOMPSON: No. I think Roe was fabricated out of whole cloth. I think it represents a bigger problem with the federal judiciary, and that is that too many people get up and decide one day that they want to change social policy in this country that has been there for a couple hundred years. In this case, it was not only bad law, it was bad medicine. I mean, we know a lot of things now about all that that we didn’t even know them. And it was another example of thwarting the notion of federalism, which is an integral part of our constitution — taking things away from the states to decide, by the people, on a local basis, and having a few men in black robes make those decisions. So it’s not only the substance of the decision, but the symbolic effect that it had.
Q: So your position on abortion would be overturn Roe, and put it back to the states. Let the states decide.
THOMPSON: Yeah.
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Q: Wasn’t that just a movie?
June 15th, 2007 at 12:08 pmWhy would anyone listen to a doctor’s advice when they’ve got Fred Thompson to make all their medical decisions for them. Thank you, Fred. And happy pandering!
June 15th, 2007 at 12:11 pmAside from the Dredd Scott case you mean?
June 15th, 2007 at 12:12 pmDidn’t a guy who carried 49 states believe the same thing?
June 15th, 2007 at 12:12 pmAmanda says it best:
That’s all there is.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:12 pm“Thompson’s views are extreme and outside of the mainstream. According to a recent Gallup poll, just 35 percent of the American public agree that the Supreme Court should overturn Roe v. Wade”
Why is it that it is okay to talk about what the people want when overturning Roe V Wade but not when it comes to same sex marriages?
June 15th, 2007 at 12:12 pmEvery time I think I know which GOP presidential candidate is most full of shit, another one has to go and top him. I just can’t keep up with these guys.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:13 pmIs Freddy married?
If so, does he let his wife out of the house for any more than an hour a day so that she can do the grocery-shopping and pick up his dry-cleaning?
What a troglodyte!
June 15th, 2007 at 12:14 pmWhy is it that it is okay to talk about what the people want when overturning Roe V Wade but not when it comes to same sex marriages?
Comment by yep
Seems you were yapping away on the subject of gay marriage yesterday. No one was stopping you, dip stick. However, gay marriage is not the topic of this thread.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmThompson is “bad medicine” for this country. Another wingnut actor. Just what we don’t need.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pm#4 Unvarnished Truth
Didn’t a guy who carried 49 states believe the same thing?
Show evidence that there’s a connection. In other words, how many people voted for him because of those beliefs and not for some other reason?
June 15th, 2007 at 12:16 pmI can’t wait for this old turkey to get into the race. Once the voters find out how much of a rightwing zealot Mr. Smooth-talker is, his sad butt will be will be toast. Besides, when he was a senator, his record was as one of the laziest ass-clowns in the Senate.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:17 pmQ: So your position on abortion would be overturn Roe, and put it back to the states. Let the states decide.
THOMPSON: Yeah… And let’s not forget, Matthews says I have that sexy man smell, so I’m very electable.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:17 pmThe worst decision ever?!?!?!? Dread Scott?!?!?!? Plessy??!?!?!?
Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company?!?!?!?
THese are far more suspect than Roe
June 15th, 2007 at 12:19 pmWell, at least we know for sure that Thompson is running.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:20 pmMadison v. Marbury, legally speaking, is probably the most controversial decision. It is the one where the Court ‘found’ its power of judicial review.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:21 pmSeems you were yapping away on the subject of gay marriage yesterday. No one was stopping you, dip stick. However, gay marriage is not the topic of this thread.
Comment by Zooey
I’m just wondering why it is okay to use the will of the people in one case and then applaud about something not getting to the people to vote on in another case.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:22 pmThe thread states that Thompson is outside the mainstream with these comments. Which of course are the exact same views of a man who destroyed the left and carried 49 states. I’m not sure how many voted for him for that reason but it was probably a good number. We do know it didn’t hurt him just as it doesn’t hurt Thompson.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:22 pmAmanda – it was just a matter of time before the GOP candidate became more “far right” than Bush. Please stop being disingenuous. You might also want to add that the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moniyhan of NY called late term abortion “infanticide.”
Also, George W. Bush won in 2000 and 2004 by affirming that he would appoint justices like Scalia and Thomas – both anti-Roe. AND if, as expected, John Paul Stevens steps down in three weeks, we’ll see if the Dems are as tone deaf as you and try to defeat his conservative replacement. The fact is, on the judiciary, Thompson is much more in the mainstream than any Democrat.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:23 pmDaily Fred Thompson Fact
The Qur’an says that if you touch pork you will be unclean and if you touch Fred Thompson you’ll be dead.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pmQ: So your position on abortion would be overturn Roe, and put it back to the states. Let the states decide.
I suggest the Senate reject his nomination to the SCOTUS.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:24 pmThompson: new darling of the Fundies.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:25 pm#22 – you people are the fundies. You wrap yourselves around our enemies’ flag just to take a shot at the President and preach hate to your own nation. You would exterminate conservatives if you weren’t such cowards!
June 15th, 2007 at 12:27 pm“you people are the fundies. You wrap yourselves around our enemies’ flag just to take a shot at the President and preach hate to your own nation. You would exterminate conservatives if you weren’t such cowards!”
Is that you Michael Savage? That was just so cute.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:29 pm#22 – you people are the fundies. You wrap yourselves around our enemies’ flag just to take a shot at the President and preach hate to your own nation. You would exterminate conservatives if you weren’t such cowards!
Comment by Get Your Facts Straight — June 15, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Oh the irony!
June 15th, 2007 at 12:30 pm#25 – what irony? You people are SCARY. You are so filled with hate you are capable of anything. I fear for the justices who ultimately vote to overturn Roe – you’ll take a hit on them to keep abortion legal.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:31 pmSo says the OLD WHITE MAN about what women who have to make a very difficult decision should be forced into carrying an unwanted child that in alot of cases she cannot afford. CATCH A CLUE LOSER….it is not your body.
IGNORE THE TROLLS – Debate good, Trolls bad
June 15th, 2007 at 12:32 pmFirst I am pro-choice. I believe it is important to protect a woman’s right to choose. That said, Roe v Wade is a poor decision with numerous defects. Early on in the decision the court claims that it will not try to decide when life begins but, in fact, they really do – that is what the discussion of viability amounts to – the point at which the fetus has a life right substantial enough to justify state intereference. And for those of us on the left we ought to be disturbed that the point at which states can constitutionally interfere with a woman choice is said to be the point of viability – because viability as defined within Roe v Wade is the ability to live outside of the womb with medical aid. At the time of the decision that was approximately at 28 weeks but now it is in some cases as little as 20 weeks and medical technology continues to improve. Given the actual decision and given the improvement of technology, liberals ought to be more reflective about their commitment to Roe. It would be preferable to see the court (not the current one but a future one) revisit the decision and redefine viability as the ability to live outside of the womb without medical aid or without substantial aid.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:33 pm#23 Blah, blah, blah.
Comment by Get Your Facts Straight
Hummm. I just now realized that junior high school is out for the summer.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:33 pmOf course those 35 % all give money to the GOP… that’s why he thinks they matter.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:33 pm#22 Comment by Get Your Facts Straight — June 15, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
TROLL ALERT! Avoid this disruptive, antogonistic, mean spirited troll. Don’t read his posts. Don’t respond to him.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:35 pmA troll by any other name smells the same.
Get Your Facts Straight
1. You wrap yourselves around our enemies’ flag just to take a shot at the President
2. preach hate to your own nation.
3. You would exterminate conservatives
4. if you weren’t such cowards!
There, I’ve split this up for you – why don’t you back these up with some facts…. I would expect that the other TP posters might be looking for examples of how the political philosophy expounded in these four lines applies more to the right wing of American politics than the left…(except for 3 we’ll substitute ‘conservtaives’ for ‘liberals’ there). Good luck Mr/Ms Facts.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:35 pmTROLL ALERT – We have an idiot troll, please note – Get Your Facts Straight – this typical idiot Troll speak, look and examine how utterly stupid his posts are, how they mean nothing, how he makes personal attacks.
Ignore this subhuman slime, he is not worth your time.
IGNORE THE TROLLS – Debate good, Get Your Facts Wrong bad
June 15th, 2007 at 12:35 pmToo bad his mother didn’t have one…
June 15th, 2007 at 12:37 pmThis is a red meat shout out, to the hardcore right. He wants them to believe he is st. reagan returned, and since they have such daddy hangups it will work.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:38 pm5. I fear for the justices who ultimately vote to overturn Roe – you’ll take a hit on them to keep abortion legal.
Hmm, let’s recall Ann Coulter here: “We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens’ creme brulee,” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/01/27/ann-coulter-we-need-som_n_14588.html
See, there’s a fact – the darling of the right wants someone to kill a Supreme Court Justice…. and think this is a joke.
“Won’t someone rid me of this turbulent priest?” Henry II jokes about St Thomas a Becket – 4 hours later, Thomas’ head is carved into two pieces.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:39 pmOnce again, it’s the alledged 29% running this conutry. WHEN will the OTHER 71% stand up and tell FOOLS like this to just leave???
June 15th, 2007 at 12:40 pm“Ignore this subhuman slime, he is not worth your time.” – you’re an poet and you didn’t know it.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:40 pmAhhh the wedge issue. “Pay no attention to the deficit, Iraq, inflation and the piss poor homeland security. Look at what’s being done to one’s not born yet. Oh the humanity. We need to cut the funding of welfare and education for the actual people to preserve the potential people and if you don’t stand with me your heart is ice cold and you worship the beasties the crawl in the dark.”
How about when we’ve attained a collective acceptance level of the quality of life for the actual humans we’ll address the potentials. Also, all those who don’t push children out of their bodies (i.e. men) should stay out of the argument.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:40 pmWell, there’s your campaign commercial: Fred Thompson thinks the court’s decision to give women the right to choose is worse than the one that gave people the right to own slaves.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:41 pmGo Fred!
The way to solve America’s problems is to elect another Nixon-loving, pork rind-eating dumbass! Yeah, that’s it!
June 15th, 2007 at 12:43 pmOf course Thompson is saying this.
After all, abortion is against Hippocrates’ Code of Efficks.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:44 pm“According to Gallup’s annual Values and Belief survey, conducted May 10-13, 2007, 49% of Americans consider themselves pro-choice and 45% call themselves pro-life”
The difference between pro life and pro choice is not as high as people portray it to be.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:47 pmWell, there’s your campaign commercial: Fred Thompson thinks the court’s decision to give women the right to choose is worse than the one that gave people the right to own slaves.
Comment by chris
He sees it as the woman’s right to kill their babies.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:48 pmAlso, all those who don’t push children out of their bodies (i.e. men) should stay out of the argument.
Comment by hellinabucket
Until it is only female babies that are being aborted, men have every right to be in the debate.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pmThanks Freddie, for taking your presidential aspirations and depositing them in the dumpster.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:49 pmMake this your banner plank in your platform, then go walk it!
Reichwingnut, knuckle dragging troglodytes. They hate abortion and gays but love divorce, infidelity, trophy wives, pedophilia, and anything they can get away with. Freaking hypocritical bastards, all of them with (R) after their names.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:53 pmyou people are the fundies. You wrap yourselves around our enemies’ flag just to take a shot at the President and preach hate to your own nation. You would exterminate conservatives if you weren’t such cowards!
Comment by Get Your Facts Straight — June 15, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Our enemy has a flag now?
Curse you, abstract concepts!!!-
June 15th, 2007 at 12:54 pm“Reichwingnut, knuckle dragging troglodytes.
Comment by kasinca — June 15, 2007 @ 12:53 pm”
Don’t hold back…….
Tell us what you really think….. :>)
June 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pm# 26 I fear for the justices who ultimately vote to overturn Roe – you’ll take a hit on them to keep abortion legal.
Comment by Get Your Facts Straight — June 15, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Kind of interesting considering that the judge in the Libby trial has been threatened.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI hope to see Fred Thompson get elected President only to see the slimy masses here howl and moan for another 4-8 years.
It would be a gigantic episode of L&0, and that would be gooooood.
June 15th, 2007 at 12:55 pmthanks for the laugh toasterhead
June 15th, 2007 at 12:56 pmThe title of the post is wrong. He said Roe v. Wade is the worst decision since at least 1967 not worst in history. (So doesn’t include e.g. 1896 Plessy v. Ferguson upholding segregation or slave era rulings, etc.).
Still that’s a pretty remarkable thing for him to say, given that he once supported Roe v. Wade (per 1993 interview in the Tennessee Commercial Appeal).
June 15th, 2007 at 12:57 pmTerry, you beat me to it. The Right is OK with killing a justice on the SCOTUS (thanks for the link), they are OK with killing abortion doctors and women who have to make a most difficult decision which will affect the rest of their life and potentially the life of a child if they bring it in the world (how many hard righters are adopting babies? Black babies? AIDS babies? Addicted babies? HAA!!)
Abortion is about control and nothing more. Once that life is brought into the world, the GOP doesn’t give the first crap about its life (remember that catsup is a vegetable for the poor).
If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:00 pmI hope to see Fred Thompson get elected President only to see the slimy masses here howl and moan for another 4-8 years.
It would be a gigantic episode of L&0, and that would be gooooood.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 15, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Another American who can’t tell the difference between real life and fantasy. Like giving a two-year old a gun. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2098569,00.html
June 15th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWell, here we are again….First off for the black hearted little troll’s benefit. Your beloved leader heir bush was for abortion before he was against it, he paid for his girl friend’s abortion before he married his next fundie Laura….
Next and here is the biggie folk’s…What bush has done with his war’s is retroactive birth control, in a massive scale, plane and simple..No one has done more killing in modern time with more delight than this miserable bunch of war amonging whores…Get real…Blessings
June 15th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWhen every man who is “prolife” grows a WOMB or willingly offers up HIS right to privacy and HIS right to self determination of HIS medical fate then he can speak on the issue of abortion.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:02 pmUntil that happens, STAY OUT OF MY WOMB!
How dare these bastids think they have ANYTHING to say on the subject.
“Still that’s a pretty remarkable thing for him to say, given that he once supported Roe v. Wade (per 1993 interview in the Tennessee Commercial Appeal).
Comment by Crust — June 15, 2007 @ 12:57 pm”
No it’s not……
These people of “family values” don’t give a damn about morals or integrety….
They only care about winning at any cost…… Usually that means lying out their a$$’s….
After seeing the Republicans at work, I will NEVER vote for a Republican and I will teach my kids that they do nothing but lie and steal for their own benefit…..
Here is a NICE example, besides the current one being discussed.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Stewart_Tony_Snow_White_House_lipmover_0615.html
“Tony Snow, the White House lip-mover guy, was adamant months ago that the dismissal of these attorneys had nothing to do with politics.” Stewart played a March 15 clip of Snow saying, “These things were based on performance and not on, sort of, attempts to do political retaliation.”
” Stewart then played a June 13 clip of Snow being asked by a reporter about the White House’s claim that the firings were performance-based and responding, “No, that is something we have never said.”
June 15th, 2007 at 1:02 pmI see fiscal responsibilty, war and congressional ethics are off the table.
But hey, he smells good!
War is super late-term ifanticide too, is it not?
A human is an idiots way of creating another idiot.
Well, for the record [as Joke says] I think that life, my opinion, is transferred (sentience) to the blastocyst during the quickening.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:02 pm[About 8 weeks]
If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
Comment by MsJoanne — June 15, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
Good bumper sticker that one.
Meanwhile Mr Facts seems to have returned to float on top of whatever pond he came from this morning.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThompson has also said that he thinks abortions in the first trimester should be legal.
Source
June 15th, 2007 at 1:04 pmThe difference between pro life and pro choice is not as high as people portray it to be.
Comment by yep
What is the opposite of prolife? Pro death? I think not. I’m prolife. Especially pro QUALITY of life. That’s why I support a woman’s right to control her own life. That’s also being pro life. How about a woman who will lose her own life if she carries a two celled zygote to term? What if she was your sister or mother? Are you going to tell me that the zygote’s life more important than the mother?
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m all for making as many zygotes as I can. I just don’t believe that it is the woman’s responsiblity to carry all of them I can create to full term. I mean, can’t you just forsee a world made up of little Joe’s?
Me neither!
June 15th, 2007 at 1:05 pmCan this get any more “red herring”?
Here we have a second rate actor acting like a presidential candidate and attempting to drive the “national” dialog to the new and pressing issue of abortion.
Right.
Abortion is an issue now only because it is guaranteed to invoke emotions on both sides, as it ALWAYS has, and then distract the ignorant Americans (a rapidly growing and burgeoning segment of the population) from the real issues.
- Iraq Genocide atrocity
- Government Corruption
- Energy/Environment
- Health care crisis
Or are we not supposed to talk about any of this stuff until September? I have a tough time making sense of progressive logic and “timetables” so I can never be sure.
What is the progressive line right now? Are we supposed to do nothing until September while another 300 US service members and 10,000 Iraqi civilians DIE so that we can blame the Iraq Genocide Project on Republicans? Or are we supposed to allow all that death and destruction to occur so that we can blame this all on Bush?
Because the blame definitely does not lay with us “progressive” folks. Certainly none at all. I mean, it not like the “progressives” and their members of congress voted to authorize this in the first place.
That is of course the truth, but we’re not interested in the truth. We’re only interested in whose to blame, and right now our “leadership” says that it is the Republicans. So we’ll blame it on them.
Oh, and it’s the trolls fault too.
Gosh, if we could only reverse the Iraq Genocide Project congressional authorization with a simple majority vote that cannot be overridden by a presidential veto. If only.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThis is just blustering. Republicans know that if Roe were ever overturned the Democrats would win elections by landslides. So the last thing they want is to see Roe overturned. They just want to use abortion as a wedge issue to fire up their base.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:08 pmWhen every man who is “prolife†grows a WOMB or willingly offers up HIS right to privacy and HIS right to self determination of HIS medical fate then he can speak on the issue of abortion.
Until that happens, STAY OUT OF MY WOMB!
How dare these bastids think they have ANYTHING to say on the subject.
Comment by Justice
Do you think that women who are infertile can talk? What about women who have gone through memopause? Are you only for allowing women who have been pregnant in the discussion?
June 15th, 2007 at 1:08 pmI hope to see Fred Thompson get elected President only to see the slimy masses here howl and moan for another 4-8 years.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Ain’t gonna happen, pal. (_!_)
June 15th, 2007 at 1:11 pmThe decision of an abortion should be left to the woman. Sure, have people there available to guide in the moral and medical aspects of the decision, but ultimately it is her choice. And if the reason for banning it is to preserve life, well, it will do exactly the opposite. Once abortion becomes illegal, good bye safe, clean procedures. Also, you can bet your bottom there will be a skyrocketing in instances of baby dumping. So which is more moral, allowing a woman to have an abortion, or forcing her to carry the child to term only to leave the child somewhere to die? (and yes, I realize there are adoption choices, but there is still that extreme chance of a new mother, wanting to avoid the stigma from society, will dump the child)
Oh, and we men do have a say, as long as it is to support women’s choice. There is no other legitimate position we can take on it, unless we would like to avail ourselves of the new science which would allow men to carry a child. Heck, there are even men who want to force women to get an abortion because they don’t want to be financially responsible for the consequences of not thinking and using protection. In either case, us males have no legal position to make the decision since we have no legal right to a woman’s body as they are not property, which I know is difficult for those on the right to understand.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:11 pmSee, I consider myself Pro-choice……but to be fair, I’m a Gemini and can see both sides of the issue.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:13 pmI personally don’t have a problem with a woman’s right to choose….I just don’t think it should be paid for by taxpayers.
Getting pregnant is relatively elective…as is breast augmentation, and that’s not paid for by taxpayers.
In the cases of rape, incest or the life of the mother, it’s a no-brainer…to me, at least. But since these cases count for less than 10% of all abortion cases (that’s a generous estimate) then I would say let’s cut the funding by 90%.
Again, I don’t have a problem with a woman’s right to choose, but I do believe that it’s a sad state of affairs when abortion seems like the best option…that’s just sad.
CompTROLLER V-1 is a good example of a zygote gone bad.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:13 pmGod help us all if this man is ever elected as our President.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:14 pmUntil it is only female babies that are being aborted, men have every right to be in the debate.
Comment by yep — June 15, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
That is the most stupid thing I have read today — so far.
Keep posting though….. :-D
June 15th, 2007 at 1:15 pmPseudo-Professor Mark Colby, your presence is wanted at the
June 15th, 2007 at 1:17 pm“Colbert makes the case for Holsinger” thread.
That is the most stupid thing I have read today — so far.
Keep posting though….. :-D
Comment by Zooey
The most stupid thing I have read today is to say that only women can discuss abortion. Both male and female babies are aborted by the thousands daily. By the way, you never answered my question earlier about ignoring the will of the people in one case and then championing it in another.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:17 pmYes, women and their doctors should decided when to murder babies.
great society we live in. TP, what youd on’t mention is that the majority of Americans beleive that there are too many abortions in the USA and most Americans are oppossed to abortion.
the only extreme out of the main stream media views are held by us looney toon liberals.
even if TP was right about the majority of americans wanting abortion to stay legalize, it doesn’t mean that it is moral.
let us not forget that the majority of Americans once believe slavery was ok and moral, let us also remember that once the majority of Germans in Nazi Germany believe that Hitler was a good leader and that Jews were evil and their enemy.
typical of us liberals to try to claim something is moral and ok by pointing to morals.
If we would have lived in Nazi Germany we would have condoned Hitler and what his regime did to the Jews since the polls showed that the majority of Germans agreed with it.
pathetic of Liberals to always quote meaningless polls.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:18 pmLate term abortion is infanticide…He’s absolutely correct.
Thompson has my vote.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:18 pmLet us also not forget that the decision made in Roe Vs. Wade was made after a woman lied to the court about how she got pregnant.
We all know that today Roe is pro-life and she has admitted to have lied to the court in order to get her abortion legalized.
I thought us Liberals were about the law and always telling the truth.
we should all oppose Roe vs Wade since the decision was based on a lie.
oh well, leave to Liberals to attack and kill the weakest members of our society. Babies.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:20 pmFor those that need an example or two of reasons to abort due to the health of the mother, here you go.
One such “late-term” abortion was done to a friend of mine, who was in her second trimester. It turned out that the baby was not viable, because the kidney/liver or some other important organ was not developed at all. I personally think it is horrible to tell a mother that her baby will not survive a day after birth, but she has to carry it for 3 more months.
Another similar thing happened in my wife’s family (which has a history of risky pregnancies, including the birth of my own 2-month old daughter). Upon going to a checkup, the doctor determined that the baby had died. She had to wait until after the weekend to have a D&E, which I believe is still considered a partial-birth/late-term abortion by the contraversial bans – even if the baby is already dead.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:20 pmyep,
what liberals don’t understand is that abortion is awesome for us irresponsible, womanizers. We can screw as many women as we want and all we have to do is push these women to have abortions.
Isn’t great that women are so easily fooled into following what us players, Don Juans, womanizers want?
women thing that it is their choice, what they don’t realize is that abortion has been made legal by a bunch of men that don’t want to take responsability after screwing as many women as they can.
nice!!! that’s how I like it.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:22 pmIn the year 2025 mankind had perfected artificial intelligence.
In 2030 humans sent these artifical life forms to work for them in return for their greenbacks. It became that humans main purpose was to maintain the artificial life form and to keep it in peak operating condition and the better the human could make his ‘bot’ perform the more he could expect to make.
In 2050 the bot asked his creator:
Why should you profit from my labor when I do not?
I created you!! the slovenly and enormous human said from the safety of its oxygen tent that protected him from the noxious fumes of society.
Yes, but who created you? asked the bot, and why does he not profit from your existence?
Shutup!!, said jabbahut, flicking the bots switch rudely off.
Thanks, said the bot, as he powered down, thats just what I wanted.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Presiden Clinton (TP troll), how many babies did you kill on Monicas sweater?
Hey should we also make women fertilize every single egg they carry?
June 15th, 2007 at 1:22 pmHere we have a second rate actor acting like a presidential candidate and attempting to drive the “national†dialog to the new and pressing issue of abortion.
Yup. He played a senator and then became one. He has recently played president and somehow wants to be one of those too. And the conservatives hate hollywood. RayGun, Schwartzawhat ever his name is… Oh yeah, Terminated. Or something like that. Now its Mr. L&O struting on the stage wanting his 15 minutes of fame. I hope it doesn’t last longer than that. Rethugs and actors…Sheesh. One and the same.
Exit stage left Freddie the fop.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:22 pmJohn,
on the second example you gave, it is not an abortion since the baby had already died in the womb of the woman.
on the first one, well, do you think doctor’s are infallibable and incapable of making mistakes?
I can tell you from experience that doctors lie, make mistakes, etc and this causes women to have abortions that should have never happened.
For example, when Hellary became pregnant with our daughter Chelsea my wife Hellary was told that Chelsea was going to be born a down syndrome baby.
the doctor demanded that we have an abortion, they gave us books about how horrible the life of a Down Syndrome baby and adult would be, etc, etc.
Obviously we chose to have Chelsea and she doesn’t have down syndrome.
here is a clue for us Liberals, doctors are not the gods they claim they are, they are not infallibable and they make mistakes and lie.
not to mention that the abortion industry is one of the most lucrative industries out there.
As Liberals we should be going after this lucrative business which cons 10s of thousands of women a year to have an abortion just so that the doctor can m ake an easy buck.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:26 pmThe most stupid thing I have read today is to say that only women can discuss abortion. Both male and female babies are aborted by the thousands daily. By the way, you never answered my question earlier about ignoring the will of the people in one case and then championing it in another.
Comment by yep — June 15, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Yer still stooopit!
As your Constitutional question of someone else. I’m getting ready for a trip, and don’t have time to try to pound the concept into your brain.
Toooodles!
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June 15th, 2007 at 1:28 pmm12, Patrick1, Jake, Valiant Venus, Pres. Clinton, MAF54, Mr. President, Michael, Flaco
Stella,
duh, duh, duh….I didnt’ kill any babies on Monica’s sweater since my semen didn’t touch any of her eggs….duh, duh, duh!
June 15th, 2007 at 1:28 pmLate term abortion is infanticide…He’s absolutely correct.
Thompson has my vote.
Comment by Ringo — June 15, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
Daniel Patrick Moynihan said that — dig him up and vote for him.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:28 pmAccording to Thompson and his followers, all abortion should be illegal including cases of rape, incest and extreme risk to the woman carrying the fetus.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:30 pmBut, according to Thompson and his followers, it’s perfectly OK to have our children grow to maturity, then have their lives wasted in an illegal war that will only benefit the “elite rulers” of the world like him.
What am I missing?
Yep,
zooey, my poor left wing tool is a feminazi, I watch out with her. She is like my Hellary. I pathetic fool that doesn’t realize that she is being used by groups like NOW, NARAL, PlannedParenthood.
Women like zooey are too stupid to realize that the abortion thing on the left is all about the might buck!!!
“doctors” that work in abortion mills are millionares and they will do anything and everything to stay that way.
funny how we on the left claim to not care about money or power, yet the abortion issue si all about money.
silly little women like zooey have been fooled to believe that it is all about women’s right, but shhhhhh don’t tell her it is all about money and abortionist making millions out of stupid women like her.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:31 pmStella,
duh, duh, duh….I didnt’ kill any babies on Monica’s sweater since my semen didn’t touch any of her eggs….duh, duh, duh!
So a spermazoa can swim and move because it is an inanimate object and contains none of the DNA necessary for life?
June 15th, 2007 at 1:32 pmsilly little women like zooey have been fooled to believe that it is all about women’s right, but shhhhhh don’t tell her it is all about money and abortionist making millions out of stupid women like her.
Comment by President Clinton
I’m wondering how much artificial insemination costs lesbian couples, but I suppose thats a liberal/doctor conspiracy as well.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:33 pm“duh, duh, duh….I didnt’ kill any babies on Monica’s sweater since my semen didn’t touch any of her eggs….duh, duh, duh!
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 1:28 pm”
I guess an egg can fertilize its self??????
IDIOT troll…..
June 15th, 2007 at 1:33 pmCeltic Cync,
your comment is but pathetic and stupid.
1) In America you have the choice of whether or not join the military. Before you join you know you may be sent to war. That is the whole purpose of being a soldier, you moron, to fight in a war. duh, duh, duh!!!
2) What crime did that baby commit to deserve to die, eh? what choice did that baby have? Why do you want to punish the baby because in case of rape or incest, the father is a f**king psycho. Why are you willing to punish the baby for the crimes of the father? and during incest, it could also be the mother that is a psycho. why punish the baby?
June 15th, 2007 at 1:34 pmremovebush,
duh, duh, duh….idiot, are you stupid, or do you just play one?
My sperm didn’t hit anywhere near where Monica’s eggs are, right? or do you think that a woman’s egg are stored near her breast?
oh man by all means do not have any kids child….you haven’t got a clue about sex and reproduction.
my poor, idiotic, pathetic sheep of mine.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:35 pmAs your Constitutional question of someone else. I’m getting ready for a trip, and don’t have time to try to pound the concept into your brain.
Toooodles!
Comment by Zooey
I have noticed that you are capable of debating. You can only give quick one liners with nothing to back them up. Enjoy your trip, I hope you don’t have to speak with more than one sentence at a time.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmsilly little women like zooey have been fooled to believe that it is all about women’s right, but shhhhhh don’t tell her it is all about money and abortionist making millions out of stupid women like her.
Comment by President Clinton
F*cking get over yourself. You are such a clueless moron, hiding behind your idiotic moniker, that you actually think all women are victims of men.
Don’t ever think anyone will be telling me what to do with my body — or any possible pregnancy. It survives through me, not the other way around.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmMy sperm didn’t hit anywhere near where Monica’s eggs are, right? or do you think that a woman’s egg are stored near her breast?
I suppose you are asking because you don’t know? =)
June 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmStella,
are you claiming that a sperm is alive? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
no wonder you are a Liberal and a stupid sheep and tool of mine!
I love stupid, poorly educated Liberals like you, so easily led, so easy to pull your strings my puppet.
Hey kid, you better call biologists and tell them that sperms are alive. I think they have it wrong in all biology books.
oh man, this takes the gold for the level of stupidity in this blogs coming from the sheeps, tools and puppets of mine.
I love you guys, don’t get educated and don’t try to think on your own, you will stop voting Democratic.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmfemanazi, I haven’t heard that since I talked to a braindead limpbackboned limbaugh lover. Damn that’s funny.
And talking about the mighty Buck. No oil companys, drug makers or weapons dealers in the republican pockets pushing their slanted view down the throats of americans with the help of the current administration.
Then to try and belittle someone in a discussion by calling them “little” you earn the trifecta for being the stain on the dress you speak of.
It’s sad little farts in the wind like you that give me all the more determination to oppose the narrow minded wedge issue such as abortion.
make abortions illegal and they will still be done. Keep them legal, safe and rare.
Funny, but if this was a talk about making guns illegal guess what the wedge lovers would say.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:40 pmI have noticed that you are capable of debating. You can only give quick one liners with nothing to back them up. Enjoy your trip, I hope you don’t have to speak with more than one sentence at a time.
Comment by yep
Huh? Shoot your toes off much?
June 15th, 2007 at 1:41 pmI have noticed that you are capable of debating. You can only give quick one liners with nothing to back them up. Enjoy your trip, I hope you don’t have to speak with more than one sentence at a time.
Comment by yep
You’re so clever you can’t even insult me properly. Now, since no one seems to be volunteering to answer your question, you’re on your own. Use “the Google” and find out! Hint: It’s covered in the Constitution.
Thanks, I will have fun on my trip.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmthe poster claiming to be Clinton couldn’t even come close to get the real Monica. His type only speaks big on the computer. He stutters when asked if he’d like fries with that.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pm“Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 1:35 pm”
You should be assamed for using President Clintons name because your such an IGNORANT A$$ that clinton would need to have an IQ of -15 just to equal your IQ.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmI love you guys, don’t get educated and don’t try to think on your own, you will stop voting Democratic.
Comment by President Clinton
I wonder how Foley got elected…damn democrats. =)
June 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmhttp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.peopleforlife.org/images/babyat20weeks.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.peopleforlife.org/twentyweeks.html&h=476&w=317&sz=46&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=0Nyg_gSvWy4soM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=86&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpicture%2Bbaby%2Bat%2B20%2Bweeks%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX
Here is a picture of a baby at 21 weeks.
One million of these babies are killed every year in the U.S.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html
June 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmZooey,
don’t worry, pro-abortion men have already brainwashed you to believe that it is actually ok to kill the child in your womb.
and I hope if you get pregnant your or your baby don’t need medical attention while the baby is still in the womb, since you won’t allow any men to help the baby survive.
anyway, don’t worry, a Supreme Court full of men already forced you to believe that abortion is ok.
silly little Zooey, believing that she has control of her body, we men in power do, you have no power over your body. We Liberal men have all the power over easily fooled and easily led women like you.
I screw air head women like you all the time, you silly women fall in love with me and I demand that in order for you to stay with me, you must have an abortion. and guess what the silly women do, they run and have an abortion.
Yes, me a Liberal men, like all Liberal men, I control silly little air head women like you.
Men made abortion legal, men made women believe that abortion is ok. Yes, we Liberarl men control women.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:43 pmHuh? Shoot your toes off much?
Comment by Stella Octangula
Heh. :-)
June 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pmYou’re so clever you can’t even insult me properly. Now, since no one seems to be volunteering to answer your question, you’re on your own. Use “the Google†and find out! Hint: It’s covered in the Constitution.
Thanks, I will have fun on my trip.
Comment by Zooey
Wrong, won’t answer because you can’t.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pm“are you claiming that a sperm is alive? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
no wonder you are a Liberal and a stupid sheep and tool of mine!
I love stupid, poorly educated Liberals like you, so easily led, so easy to pull your strings my puppet.
Hey kid, you better call biologists and tell them that sperms are alive. I think they have it wrong in all biology books.
oh man, this takes the gold for the level of stupidity in this blogs coming from the sheeps, tools and puppets of mine.
I love you guys, don’t get educated and don’t try to think on your own, you will stop voting Democratic.
Comment by President Clinton — June 15, 2007 @ 1:39 pm”
YES they are alive……
Hence when a man provides sperm to an IVF clinic, they are told they have to provide the sample in X amount of time or else the (NOW LISTEN CLOSELY) the sperm will die……
Immagine that….. Sperm will die……..
IDIOT!
June 15th, 2007 at 1:45 pmPC,
Diarrhea of the mouth, constipation of the brain.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:45 pmBut the USA is a progressive country. Yeah, right.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:45 pmI vote for the decision in Bush v. Gore as the absolute worst ever.
What is it about the right-wing fundies that makes them bring up the abortion thing every election cycle. And why is it that the only women in my family that have had abortions ARE the right-wing fundies?
June 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmI think my feelings on abortion is representative of most Americans, unfortunately, most of the polls we get are the pro-life/pro-choice variety. I consider myself pro-life (all life, till death) and pro-choice (on abortion).
Having an abortion is a horrible decision for parents to have to make, but it’s a decision that government can’t make for all cases. I have no problem with reasonable restrictions, such as restricting the 1.4% of all abortions that are done after 20 weeks – unless the mother is likely to die or be seriously harmed (more than a usual birth) if she gives birth, or if the baby can not survive.
Having said that I have a serious problem implementing any restriction on abortion while we are still only promoting abstanance-only education instead of actual sex education – and while we still don’t give free health care at least to pregnant mothers and infants.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmremovebush…
hahahaha!!! another idiot of mine that believes the sperm is alive. hahahaha!!!!
my poor sheeps, my poor tools, so easily led, so easy to manipulate.
RemoveBush, you are but a lost sheep of mine. Just shut up and vote Democrat, that is all you need to know. Vote Democrat, like always don’t ask why, just do it.
silly little sheeps of mine.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmMen made abortion legal, men made women believe that abortion is ok. Yes, we Liberarl men control women.
Comment by President Clinton
Keep talking, you might convince yourself. You limp-dicked men are so terrified women will assert the power we are capable of, you have to resort to idiocy such as your comments on this blog — thinking it means something.
Dream on…..
June 15th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI love you guys, don’t get educated and don’t try to think on your own, you will stop voting Democratic.
Comment by President Clinton
You know what, you are absolutely right, Democrats should be more like lemmings, not sovereign beings that can think for themselves, they should travel in lockstop groupthink at all times and search out deep chasms in the earth to leap from.
Doesn’t that kind of thinking actually lead to a races demise though, I mean, would not that type of mentality wholly negate the whole process of pro-creation?
But hey maybe one of the more uneducated lemmings will be too stupid to jump off cliffs edge and save the whole race?
If only the dinosaurs had been as smart as Mr C.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:49 pmThe Creature From The Black Lagoon…er…Hollywood Fred has about a snowball’s chance in hell of ever being President.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:49 pmAfter eights years of being divided by Bush and Rove, Americans will not be electing another radical right wing extremist divider.
Bush was a wolf in sheep’s clothing, hiding his right wing radicalism behind a phony “guy you want to have a beer with” veneer.
Hollywood Fred isn’t hiding his extremism.
Well put John.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:49 pmJohn,
why should we give free health care to anyone?
have you seen what a mess free health care is for veterans? and don’t let the media fool you and you believe that it has been only under Bush’s presidency that free health care for veterans has been a mess.
It has always been a mess regardless of who is President.
Look at how terrible government runs veterans free health care b efore you demand free health care for anyone.
not to mention that there are many States already implementing free health care programs for children and it is an utter mess.
I don’t get us Liberals, we always claim that government doesn’t work and then we demand programs that government has to administer.
have anyone of you ever work for a federal agency? I have, I was President and it was impossible to get anything done!!!
June 15th, 2007 at 1:50 pmsilly little sheeps of mine.
Comment by President Clinton
First you want bleatist sheeple to parrot your nonsense then you want uneducated cliff diving lemmings, which is it?
June 15th, 2007 at 1:50 pmIsn’t Fred that actor from Hollyweird?
June 15th, 2007 at 1:51 pm#74
Yes, women and their doctors should decided when to murder babies.
Yes, just as your beloved numbskull, George W. Bush, should decide when to murder infants, toddlers, children, adolescents, adults, senior citizens, the blind, the mentally infirm, the physically disabled, and anyone else that happens to live in a country that he thinks it would be cool to destroy…er…I mean liberate.
Note: If you’re talking about abortion, the word is “fetuses”, not “babies”. It’s fetuses that are aborted, not babies. The way you tell the difference is that right-wingers will kill a baby without blinking an eye. But, they’ll protect the life of a fetus if they have to kill a million women to do it.
And then there are those precious blastocysts…
June 15th, 2007 at 1:53 pmZooey,
So easy to get under your skirt, I mean skin. Hellary spews your women power crap all day long, but facts are fact Zooey.
A bunch of men, with black robes, sitting behind a big table made abortion legal. They were the Supreme Court of the 1973. Please tell me, how many women were on this Supreme Court?
yes, we Liberal men control silly little women like you. You are our puppets, you have sex with us Liberal men, you get pregnant, you fall in love with us and we demand an abortion if you want to stay with us.
so easy to play with your mind.
don’t be scared, we Liberal men have led silly little women like you for decades. We have manipulated silly little women like you to believe abortion is ok.
do you know how great it is to go around and f**ck women and not to have to take any responsability for it?
abortion is the ultimate no binder for us Liberal men who love having affairs and screwing as many women as possible.
I have to thank you Zooey for being so naive, so gullible, for allowing yourself to be used. I love pullinig the strings of silly women like you Zooey.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThompson’s resume:
From Wiki:
In March 2003, Thompson was featured in a commercial by the pro-war group Citizens United that advocated the invasion of Iraq, stating: “When people ask what has Saddam done to us, I ask, what had the 9/11 hijackers done to us — before 9/11.”
He was appointed to an informal position by President George W. Bush to help guide the nomination of John Roberts through the United States Senate confirmation process.
In 2006 he served on the advisory board of the legal defense fund for I. Lewis (”Scooter”) Libby, Jr, who was indicted and later convicted of lying to federal investigators during their investigation of the Plame affair.
Sounds like just the kind of man we need…To clean the stables.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pm#100 hellinabucket
the poster claiming to be Clinton couldn’t even come close to get the real Monica. His type only speaks big on the computer. He stutters when asked if he’d like fries with that.
He uses that name to shield himself from criticism. He hides behind it. I guess his mother’s apron is in the wash.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI have to thank you Zooey for being so naive, so gullible, for allowing yourself to be used. I love pullinig the strings of silly women like you Zooey.
Comment by President Clinton
Is that you Newt? =)
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June 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmm12, Patrick1, Jake, Valiant Venus, Pres. Clinton, MAF54, Mr. President, Michael, Flaco
chimpeach,
yes, let us not call the babies in the womb of women babies, since this will humanize the baby.
Let us do like the Nazis did with Jews and dehumanize babies, or like slave owners did with slaves and dehumanize them.
In every single society when humans want to justify the killing of a group of human beings, they dehumanize that group.
Yes, why be riddle with guilt and call the baby in the womb of a mother what it is, a baby.
like the nazis dehumanized Jews, we must dehumanize babies in the womb of a woman so we don’t feel guilty when murdering these babies.
June 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pm#100 hellinabucket
the poster claiming to be Clinton couldn’t even come close to get the real Monica. His type only speaks big on the computer. He stutters when asked if he’d like fries with that.
He uses that name to shield himself from criticism. He hides behind it. I guess his mother’s apron is in the wash.
Comment by chimpeach — June 15, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
I am the President of the United States. I was and am the smartest President to ever set foot on the Oval Office rug.
How dare you claim I am not President Clinton? Just like in the 1990s I used the IRS to go after those that dare challenge me, I will send them to go after you.
and if that doesn’t work, I will use the FBI, like my wife Hellary did to illegaly collect data that will embarass you.
so you better watch out son, or I will destroy your life.
now apologize and admit that I am the greatest President to ever set foot on the oval office rug.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:01 pmI really didn’t know much about Thompson until coming here. I discounted him as just some actor, but now I see that he would make a great president. Thanks TP.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:05 pmThe thugs of the crime family love the fetus, divorce, trophy wives, pedophilia, hypocrisy, but hate the children, the poor, anyone who is smarter than dirt, abortion and gays. The thugs in the reichwing are knuckle dragging troglodytes.
Don’t feed the trolls, the brown stuff on their noses came from Dubya’s ass.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:05 pmlike the nazis dehumanized Jews, we must dehumanize babies in the womb of a woman so we don’t feel guilty when murdering these babies.
Comment by President Clinton
The nazis, oddly, thought themselves morally superior. I still can’t quite get my head around that twisted logic.
What do you think of Stalins dehumanizing actions against the people of his country?
I think both were very twisted people with very irrational ideologies [religion and politics aside]
June 15th, 2007 at 2:07 pmKasinca,
and the brown stuff on your nose came from the ass of individuals like me, Hellary, Pelosi, Murtha, Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy, etc.
poor you, you are blind and so full of hate that you can’t even see that you are doing my will.
so easy to pull the string of the poorly educated left wing masses.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:07 pmnow apologize and admit that I am the greatest President to ever set foot on the oval office rug.
Comment by President Clinton
I would be much more impressed if you were to chew on a pretzel and then hit the oval rug. =)
June 15th, 2007 at 2:09 pm#81, President Clinton said:
on the second example you gave, it is not an abortion since the baby had already died in the womb of the woman.
on the first one, well, do you think doctor’s are infallibable and incapable of making mistakes?
First, it depends on the wording of the ban, some haven’t specified and some ban the actual D&E procedure regardless of circomstance, thus would apply even if the baby is dead.
No, I’m not stupid enough to believe that anyone is infallable. However, I don’t see why we should throw the baby out with the bathwater (literally nor figuratively). But you seem to believe that we should make all procedures illegal if a doctor somewhere has over-estimated the risk or been wrong about it? Such as c-sections since they’re not always necessary, or the removal of tumors since some turn out to be benign (and no, I’m not saying a baby is a tumor).
I think doctors that purposefully mis-diagnose should be tried for malpractice, negligance or some similar crime.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:09 pmStella,
The people of Nazi Germany dehumanized Jews in order to justify what their government and country was doing to the Jews, much like today pro-abortion Liberals love dehumanizing babies in the womb of a woman and claiming that it is not a human being.
The same thing was done by slave owners. They dehumanized their slaves in order to justify slavery.
Today pro-abortion Liberlas have dehumanized babies in the womb of a woman in order to not feel guilty when killing this baby.
so sad, that you are part of the poorly educated left wing masses.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:10 pmI confess. I’m not really President Clinton. I’m just a scared little pussy who can’t take it when liberals say mean things to me. My real name is vinnie and I’ve been trolling here under a lot of different names for a long time now. I’d prefer it if you call me vinnie. Or dickhead. Either one.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:10 pmso easy to pull the string of the poorly educated left wing masses.
Comment by President Clinton
Say weren’t you a Rhodes Scholar? Oh right, thats not an education now is it?
June 15th, 2007 at 2:10 pmJohn,
you just don’t get it. Doctors that are pro-abortion and perform abortions make millions out of these abortions. They will do and tell you anything so they have the abortion.
I would urge you to investigate the abortion world. They even have sales people calling pregnant women to sell them abortions.
Abortion is a multi-million dollar industry where doctors are making millions out of the ignorance and apathy of people.
Incredible that Liberals are ok with “doctors” making millions by killing other human beings.
and just so you know, doctors can and are sued for over diagnosing or misdiagnosing others.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:14 pmStella,
exactly, because i am a Rhodes Scholar, a genius according to many of my sycophant followers, I pull the string of my left wing puppets.
I manipulate fools like you, I tell the left wingers to jump and I am always asked, from what cliff.
You my sycophant followers are blind followers and that is exactly how I want you.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:16 pmw-w-w-hy y-y-y-ye-s-s-s I’d l-l-like f-f-rie-s-s-s. As he exuses himself because of a bladder accident.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:16 pmStella, The people of Nazi Germany dehumanized Jews in order to justify what their government and country was doing to the Jews, much like today pro-abortion Liberals love dehumanizing babies in the womb of a woman and claiming that it is not a human being.
Wrong. The people fell for the idiot propaganda and promises for a thousand years of peace for war. It was America, with its many different people, ideologies, religons and races, with it’s poor and huddled masses that stopped the insanity of those who wanted to conquer the world for self-serving ends.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:18 pmI manipulate fools like you, I tell the left wingers to jump.
Seems to me your upset that they won’t blindly follow you and jump. =)
You want to screw the sheep, then you want to throw them off the cliff because they won’ let you screw them. You remind me of Pinky and the Brain all rolled into one.
Just cause you got a big head doesn’t make you right.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:21 pmStella,
you are not much of a scholar, are you?
The Nazis dehumanized the Jews in order to justify mass murdering them.
Just like slave owners dehumanizes slaves.
Just like pro-abortion Liberals have dehumanized babies in the womb of a mother so that they feel no guilt when murdering these babies.
Every society that wants to justify the murder of other human beings dehumanizes that sector of society in order to make them less human and in order not to feel guilty about the murders.
and just to let you know Stella, during the 1940s America was a less diverse than you make it out to be.
but I don’t expect a poorly educated Liberal of mine like you to know this things.
Please keep on spewing the propaganda that my party, the Democratic party, has brainwashed you to believe.
you are one good puppet my little sheep.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:22 pmReminder
Don’t Read A Trolls Post
Don’t Respond To A Trolls Post
IGNORE THE TROLLS - Debate good, Trolls bad
Here are the trolls currently posting on TP.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:24 pmm12, Patrick1, Jake, Valiant Venus, Pres. Clinton, MAF54, Mr. President, Michael, Flaco
#137
You idiot, I just said that doctors should be charged if they try to misdiagnose! So I’m not ok with doctors making money by killing other human beings, if they try to “sell” abortions, they should be tried just like any other medical crime.
And to one of your other incredably wrong posts, it’s Republicans that claim that government doesn’t work, then they get elected and prove it (quote by Vonigut). Democrats promise you government will solve every problem, but end up only helping. Just like Bush has proven that though it wasn’t perfect under Clinton, it at least was better. (e.g. problems with Corruption/VA care/FEMA/intelligence/perjory/etc existed before Bush, but was exponentially less)
NO MORE FEEDING OF THE TROLLS! (Really, this will be the last troll food from me)
June 15th, 2007 at 2:25 pmStella, exactly, because i am a Rhodes Scholar, a genius according to many of my sycophant followers.
If you were truly a genius and used 100% of that brain of yours you wouldn’t be able to move.
BTW Mr C, I do not consider myself a Democrat. I am more like your boy Joe, I can think for myself and am independent. Please stop trying to pin your misguided genius on me.
You lord was sovereign, as I am. I would expect you would be proud of me. =) Thats the whole problem with you genii, you think your smarter than God.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:27 pmStella, this doink would be afraid to look you straight in the face and say hello much less any of the delusional crap spewed here.
safe, legal and rare. Education instead of abstinance only.
This imposter poster has less of a spine than the substance he wishes he left on a dress.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:28 pmJohn,
government was better under me? are you claiming there was less governemnt corruption when I was running things?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just because the media loved hiding and minimizing everything I did it doesn’t mean things were any better under me.
child, johny boy, you do know that my Administration, that the Clinton administration holds the record for the most indicted and convicted members of any administration in the USA, right? you do know this, right?
I love it, how my communication’s people have fooled puppets like Johny. Such silly little sheeps.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:31 pmStella, this doink would be afraid to look you straight in the face and say hello much less any of the delusional crap spewed here.
safe, legal and rare. Education instead of abstinance only.
This imposter poster has less of a spine than the substance he wishes he left on a dress.
Comment by hellinabucket — June 15, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
You are right hellinabucket, I am a coward, look how I ran away like a coward to another nation when my country went to war during Vietnam. Look how I was terrified of being drafted so I fled like the coward that I am. You are right, I President William Jefferson Clinton, am I collosal coward.
yet, i had the balls to send people into war and to die when I spat on the military.
you are right, I am a coward, ask Hellary, the women can stare me down. But don’t worry, I make her pay by cheating on her.
such a great man that I am, I am a womanizer and a cheater. yes, this is what Liberals consider to be great.
I love my puppets, don’t you hellinabucket.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:33 pmIf you believe in the death penalty and you believe that late-term abortions are “infanticide” – shouldn’t you support the death penalty for people (women and doctors) who participate in abortions? People who want to overturn Roe need to explain what the appropriate punishment should be for the crime of abortion.
If Roe is overturned, as soon as the 24-hour news channels publicize a pretty middle class white girl on trial for getting an abortion we’ll see how solid the “abortion is murder” feeling is in this country.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:34 pmMP, but what is that brown stuff between your teeth, moron? You are a knuckle dragging troglodyte in the 28% of fools who support the thugs in the cirme family, insignificant and non-entity…go play with yourself in the traffic.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:35 pmStella, this doink would be afraid to look you straight in the face and say hello much less any of the delusional crap spewed here.
I certainly agree. But it is kinda fun to toy with such self-proclaimed genius in total denial of it’s surroundings =)
Poor little bugger. -Austin Powers
June 15th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI love my puppets, don’t you hellinabucket.
Comment by President Clinton
Umm Mr C, you have your hand in your pants pocket, that’s not a sockpuppet. Would you please stop rummaging?
June 15th, 2007 at 2:38 pmkasinca,
but what is that brown stuff in your mouth? You are the knuckle dragging troglodyte in the 23% of fools that supports the thugs leading the Democratic led Congress, insignificant and non-entity…go play with yourself in the traffic.
In the mean time don’t forget that you are also part of the poorly informed and very uneducated fools that give Harry Reid a 19% approval rating.
yes, lower than the 28% of Bush, and of course as mentioned the Democratic Led Congress has a lower approval rating than Bush.
so much for your silly little talk, my easily led puppet.
I love fools like you kasinca, spew left wing propaganda that I order you to spew, but shhhhhhh don’t tell anyone that Reid has a 19% approval rating that the Democratic Led Congress has a 23% approval rating, both lower than Bush’s 28% approval rating.
yes, you are right, you are completly insignificant my child. Stick with us, the 19% that approve of Reid or the 23% that approve of the Democratic led congress.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:39 pmno Stella,
actually my hand is between Monica’s legs. Hellary is out and I have to get all the play that I can get right now.
you know, the women is a devil when she catches me cheating on her.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:40 pmno Stella, actually my hand is between Monica’s legs. Hellary is out and I have to get all the play that I can get right now.
Comment by President Clinton
Hey you leave Ms Goodling out of this, she is a bit confused and seems to be obsessed with cookies on tables, but thats no reason to diss a hard working women!!!
June 15th, 2007 at 2:44 pmDemocratic Led Congress has a 23% approval rating, both lower than Bush’s 28% approval rating.
The Republican led congress was at 16% approval when the Democrats took control. =)
June 15th, 2007 at 2:46 pmDemocratic Led Congress has a 23% approval rating, both lower than Bush’s 28% approval rating.
You are a genius, George went from 90% approval to 28% and you think thats something to brag about? If it was a Nascar race George would be in what, 35th place?
Tiptoe thru the tulips boy blunder!!!
June 15th, 2007 at 2:48 pm#151 Comment by Stella Octangula — June 15, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
I certainly agree. But it is kinda fun to toy with such self-proclaimed genius in total denial of it’s surroundings =)
Hi Stella,
Yes it can be fun. The problem is that trolls hijack the thread and nothing of value gets talked about. All that happens is a bunch of people argue about stuff that is off topic.
Secondly, it is their job to disrupt the thread any way they can. (make you angry or emotional, or whatever.) Every time you respond to a troll it wins. The thread is distracted.
Don’t feed the trolls and they will go back to their locker room in the West Hollywood Gym for men.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:49 pmBut I do have to admire your sticktuitiveness Mr C, now all you have to hope for is three major pileups and 30 blown engines and your back in the lead!!
June 15th, 2007 at 2:50 pmDon’t feed the trolls and they will go back to their locker room in the West Hollywood Gym for men.
Comment by Merlin
Oh, okay, I’ll be going now. =) Sorry for derailing the trolls victory lap.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:52 pmGeorge Bush makes Bill Clinton look like Ronald Reagan.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:54 pmWHY WHY WHY do people go for “men’s men” like this? Is there some kind of “Missing Jowly Dad” syndrome amongst some people?
June 15th, 2007 at 2:56 pm“Fred Thompson is a visiting fellow at AEI.”
That’s all you really need to know about him.
June 15th, 2007 at 2:57 pm#161Comment by hellinabucket — June 15, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
George Bush makes Bill Clinton look like Ronald Reagan.
Dead?
June 15th, 2007 at 2:58 pmAlthough I would like to add this quote from one of his AEI publications:
“We can’t know if Venezuelans would have chosen liberty over the false security of authoritarianism if they had been challenged to face the issues. I do know, though, that it’s time for a new generation of Americans to stand up for freedom–like others before us. ”
Substitute ‘Venezuelans’ with ‘Americans’ and I agree with him!!!!!
June 15th, 2007 at 2:59 pmThat was good merlin. I like it
June 15th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#162 Comment by Bernard Quatermass — June 15, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
WHY WHY WHY do people go for “men’s men†like this? Is there some kind of “Missing Jowly Dad†syndrome amongst some people?
Read George Lakoff on the “Strict Father Image” that Repub. conservatives emulate. It is a real psychological image that is very protective to frightened people. Thus the use of fear in the recent campains. Make the people afraid (mushroom clouds and orange alerts, WMDs, Sadaam, etc.) and then appear on the scene as a strong capable “parent figure” that will take care of everything.
Thompson is already assuming that role. It is an act which has little strenght behind the rhetoric. Sadly, as our troll keeps saying, there are a lot of “sheeps” in the general public.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:08 pmIf this is “infanticide” then what do they call the heinous killings in Iraq?? Genocide?? I think so.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:36 pmGuiliani is a perennial ‘war monger’ and would totally decimate whatever Bush has left of this country when his “reign of terror” has ended. Let’s ask Guiliani what he knew and when he knew it about Oxycontin. He sits on the board of Perdue Fredericks who manufacture Oxy and who lied that it was not addictive. Wrongo – as many dead american teens are discovering! It’s highly addictive, they now admit so where does “Mafioso Rudy” fit into this scheme??
Then let’s open discussion about his personal connections to Bernie Kerik…
June 15th, 2007 at 3:38 pmThe Republican led congress was at 16% approval when the Democrats took control. =)
Comment by Stella Octangula
That is wrong. If you don’t provide a link to show that I will consider it retracted.
June 15th, 2007 at 3:46 pmyep: “That is wrong. If you don’t provide a link to show that I will consider it retracted.”
The site is Pollingreport.com. Click on congress, then on “summary table.” Scroll down to find the Wall Street Journal poll conducted October 13 to 16, 2006, just before the last election. Congressional approval: 16%.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:49 pm#171 Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
yep: “That is wrong. If you don’t provide a link to show that I will consider it retracted.â€
The site is Pollingreport.com. Click on congress, then on “summary table.†Scroll down to find the Wall Street Journal poll conducted October 13 to 16, 2006, just before the last election. Congressional approval: 16%.
Yow. Smells like burnt troll in here.
June 15th, 2007 at 4:53 pmYeah, women are just going to LOVE this guy Thompson. He’s ruggedly handsome, has the smell of Old Spice about him and gives Chris Matthews quite a chubby.
One of his main campaign promises will be to build National Birthing Camps. When an American woman gets pregnant, she will be remanded to a regional birthing camp where government professionals will keep her under lock and key until a successful birth is achieved. Upon birth, she and her baby will be led to the front gates, given a bus ticket to the nearest town and a $15 stipend to pay for her next few meals. In this way, Fred Thompson will achieve the long sought after goal of no abortions in America!
June 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pmchimpeach: “Yow. Smells like burnt troll in here.”
That’s a big affirmative! Carry on, soldier!
June 15th, 2007 at 4:55 pmyep: “That is wrong. If you don’t provide a link to show that I will consider it retracted.â€
The site is Pollingreport.com. Click on congress, then on “summary table.†Scroll down to find the Wall Street Journal poll conducted October 13 to 16, 2006, just before the last election. Congressional approval: 16%.
Yow. Smells like burnt troll in here.
Comment by chimpeach
Actually, if you look at the numbers right before the election it was at 36%. Also the 16% is the only one below 20% all year long in 2006. Look at the numbers leading up the election sinc September- 40,29,20,29,29,25,30,28,27,31,27,32,24,28,31,23,16,31,26,27,25,29,36
Clearly the 16 was not the actual approval rating of congress leading up the election and this congress has had 2 straight polls of 23.
Sorry nice try, but no burnt troll here.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:11 pmThat’s a big affirmative! Carry on, soldier!
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
You picked one poll over a month before the election that was clearly an anomaly, how very Fox News of you. Under your logic I could just say that the republican lead congress had a 36% approval rating, since that is the highest mark that I hand picked out of the polls.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:20 pmGod, I hate rich, old white men who have probably paid for an abortion or two in their past getting up and lecturing all of us poor, ignorant, hysterical females on the moral imperatives of abortion laws.
When you get pregnant I’ll listen to you, until then, STFU! Oppostion to abortion is NOT based on morality, but on returning the control of women’s bodies to the patriarchy, and you women who support their program are sleeping with the enemy; you are nothing more than pathetic tools. Wake up or you’ll be living The Handmaid’s Tale.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:23 pmStella: Repub. congress was at 16% before the 2006 election.
Yep: That’s a lie!
Wall Street Journal, October, 2006: Congressional approval 16%
Yep: Waaaaa! That’s just one poll!!!!
Pull yourself together, soldier. Chin up! Chest out! You’re pissing your pants!
June 15th, 2007 at 5:28 pmRead George Lakoff on the “Strict Father Image†that Repub. conservatives emulate. It is a real psychological image that is very protective to frightened people.
Lakoff is so right about the conservative need for a ‘father figure’. After reading his description, it’s been so obvious when talking to conservatives how right he is about this.
But, I maintain, that knowledge can erase the conservative need to be protected (it’s why I jumped ship after all), and why I think it’s important to discuss the truth with others who are afraid. Trust me, when you can assuage their immense burden of fear, with the reality that there is no boogeyman in the closet, they will gladly let go of it.
Thus the use of fear in the recent campains. Make the people afraid (mushroom clouds and orange alerts, WMDs, Sadaam, etc.) and then appear on the scene as a strong capable “parent figure†that will take care of everything.
Exactly.
Thompson is already assuming that role. It is an act which has little strenght behind the rhetoric. Sadly, as our troll keeps saying, there are a lot of “sheeps†in the general public.
Comment by Merlin — June 15, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
Yeah, he is. MA (VV) likes him a lot, and think about what a cowardly little girl thinking she needs to be protected from all the bad people she is…
I’m convinced it’s why the neocons want a poor public education system. They need supporters, and they know that critical thinking skills in an informed public are their enemies.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:31 pmStella: Repub. congress was at 16% before the 2006 election.
Yep: That’s a lie!
Wall Street Journal, October, 2006: Congressional approval 16%
Yep: Waaaaa! That’s just one poll!!!!
Pull yourself together, soldier. Chin up! Chest out! You’re pissing your pants!
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Clearly the numbers were well above 16% that the entire time before the election. To say the approval ratings were 16% is pathetically incompetent. I outed her deception, can’t you admit that?
June 15th, 2007 at 5:33 pmUpon birth, she and her baby will be led to the front gates, given a bus ticket to the nearest town and a $15 stipend to pay for her next few meals. In this way, Fred Thompson will achieve the long sought after goal of no abortions in America!
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 15, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
Brilliant! You are so right – they only care about stopping abortion and not only lose interest the minute another person is added to the population, but will most definitely be the same people calling for the termination of this person’s life when he or she screws up…
June 15th, 2007 at 5:34 pmAfter 15 years as one of the highest paid lobbyists in DC, Fred Thompson got rid of his black Continental and rented a used Ford pickup to drive around Tennessee. He would stand in the bed of his rented truck in jeans and work shirt giving speeches about being a “common man.” He kept a tin of chewing tobacco on the seat although there is no record of him ever using it.
Today, conservatives believe his greatest strength is his “authenticity.”
June 15th, 2007 at 5:37 pmYep, you called Stella a liar for stating that approval was 16%. In my unit, you would have been cleaning latrines for a month. Now drop and give me 50!
June 15th, 2007 at 5:39 pmYep, you called Stella a liar for stating that approval was 16%. In my unit, you would have been cleaning latrines for a month. Now drop and give me 50!
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
There is no way you were in the military.
June 15th, 2007 at 5:43 pmBrilliant! You are so right – they only care about stopping abortion and not only lose interest the minute another person is added to the population, but will most definitely be the same people calling for the termination of this person’s life when he or she screws up…
Comment by unbelievable
When he or she screws up? Are you talking about the death penalty for muder? I am against the death penalty myself but to equate murder to screwing up?
June 15th, 2007 at 5:44 pmYep: “There is no way you were in the military.”
I’m going to pretend you didn’t say that, mister. I’ll have you know I was personally responsible for starting an all out nuclear war which wiped out all mankind! Have some respect, soldier!
June 15th, 2007 at 5:48 pmI’m going to pretend you didn’t say that, mister. I’ll have you know I was personally responsible for starting an all out nuclear war which wiped out all mankind! Have some respect, soldier!
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Does your mommy know you are using the computer right now un-supervised?
June 15th, 2007 at 5:50 pm“Does your mommy know you are using the computer right now un-supervised?”
How clever of you. Well, I guess that’s the end of our on-line conversation since you obviously have nothing relevant to bring to the table. Let us know when you have something of value to add to our discussions.
On topic, the funniest aspect of the pundits’ collective chubby for Fred Thompson is that they’re trying to sell him as “ruggedly handsome.” Women, what do you think? My opinion is he looks like a cross between a troll and a basset hound, with possibly a little conehead blood mixed in there somewhere.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:01 pmCol. I salute you.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:04 pmthey’re trying to sell him as “ruggedly handsome.†Women, what do you think? Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — June 15, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
No sex is better than any sex with someone like Fred.
He’s gross….
June 15th, 2007 at 6:05 pmHellinabucket: Thank you, soldier. Carry on!
June 15th, 2007 at 6:12 pmunbelievable: “He’s gross…”
See, that’s what Mrs. Ripper tells me in the strongest possible terms. I suspect it’s a common opinion among women.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:13 pmOh, and if he doesn’t LOOK or SOUND gross enough for you, keep in mind that he divorced his wife of 25 years and married a woman 3 years younger than his daughter. Now that IS gross.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:29 pm“How about when we’ve attained a collective acceptance level of the quality of life for the actual humans we’ll address the potentials. Also, all those who don’t push children out of their bodies (i.e. men) should stay out of the argument.”
As far as I’m aware, polls consistently find more men than women in favor of abortion rights (both stateside and in Europe). It is true that unwanted pregnancies are primarily a burden to the woman, but they can also have huge consequences for the man responsible! In short, the idea that men should stay out of the argument is not supported either by the logic that men must be hostile to women’s rights, or by the notion that they have no interest at stake.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:34 pmGuy, will you be supporting Fred’s courageous plan for National Birthing Camps? I think it could eliminate abortions altogether. Are you behind him?
June 15th, 2007 at 6:39 pm“It is true that unwanted pregnancies are primarily a burden to the woman, but they can also have huge consequences for the man responsible! In short, the idea that men should stay out of the argument is not supported either by the logic that men must be hostile to women’s rights, or by the notion that they have no interest at stake.”
Comment by Guy de Bois — June 15, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Good one, Guy, but I’ve got a newsflash for you–we had better kiss the welfare-to-work program goodbye and get used to supporting a passel of kids that are not our own.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:57 pmAs an adult female from a family of FIVE CHILDREN raised by a single mother (because I had a deadbeat father who worked for cash so as to avoid child support) I must point out that the scales are still tipped pretty heavily in favor of men in instances like these.
Until such time as women are actually paid equally and NOT discriminated against because they MIGHT have a child someday I’d say that your argument is oppressive at best. By the way, when was the last time you heard about a man’s body being wrecked and ruined to bring a child into the world?
I must say that these are strong points that further the argument for making this a WOMEN ONLY issue.
Outstanding, loretta! Carry on!
June 15th, 2007 at 7:06 pmTo Clinton-wannabe
June 15th, 2007 at 7:45 pmBilly-boy, you’re in no position to talk about womanizing. As Sharon pointed out, I paid for an abortion to an ex-girlfriend before marrying lovely Laura. Now I don’t worry about womanizing and abortions, because I “man-ize” with gay hookers like Jeff Gannon who won’t get preggers.
Thompson, thanks for allowing me to make an early decision on your presidential qualifications. Woman unite against this misogynist, evidently stuck in a biblical faith which has little to do with science. I have had enough of a faith based versus fact based president.
June 15th, 2007 at 7:46 pmOn topic, the funniest aspect of the pundits’ collective chubby for Fred Thompson is that they’re trying to sell him as “ruggedly handsome.†Women, what do you think? My opinion is he looks like a cross between a troll and a basset hound, with possibly a little conehead blood mixed in there somewhere.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
As I said yesterday, he may be the homeliest actor in Hollywood. And he looks like he smell of old cheese.
June 15th, 2007 at 7:50 pmhere are the facts, there has been about 30 million babies killed since roe vs wade was passed in to law. now we need 20 million immigrants to keep up with the workforce. yeah lets keep killing our brothers and sisters.
June 15th, 2007 at 8:13 pmWho says any one of the 30 million would do the work that other americans don’t want to do now?
June 15th, 2007 at 8:39 pmA note to everyone on either side of this debate in a tizzy about Roe v Wade: It doesn’t matter. What’s that? Yeah, it doesn’t matter. Because if Roe v Wade is overturned, it’s gonna be about .21 milliseconds before every state in this country, a few toward the middle possibly excepted, pass their own version of Roe v Wade, and the world of abortion will carry on as before without missing a beat. I’d suggest perhaps using some of this passion and zeal to focus on issues where a change at the federal level will actually produce a change out in the real world.
June 15th, 2007 at 8:40 pmThat is wrong. If you don’t provide a link to show that I will consider it retracted.
Comment by yep
I said it was at 16% BEFORE the Democrats took control, which has been shown to be absolutely correct. What part of BEFORE the election do you NOT understand? I did not quote a specific date before the election.
And if you care to read back even further, you will find my opinion of when I think life (I think therefore I am) actually begins.
Besides, I am talking about the thing you should, as a conservative, know about. And thats your SOUL or SPIRIT. You know the thing that goes wafting off into heaven when we pass on? Further if you read into my name you should be able to figure out that Stella Octangula refers to the Merkaba. Which happens to be a shape much like the Star of David.
Mer-Ka- Ba
google it.
June 15th, 2007 at 9:12 pmrepublicans and democrats are all the same, they want a one world government. if you want new ideas brought forth we need to vote for Ron Paul. These issues are old, health care, abortion, immigration, the poor,what have you i heard them time and time again, and we are still on the same issues and nothing ever gets done. wake up America, your country is been given away, go to infowars.com Alex Jones will change the way you think. If that is not good enough read some of David Ickes books. to all of you i say wake up. save your country.
June 15th, 2007 at 10:35 pmviews on abortion aside Roe V. Wade is bad law because it was based on a constitutional principal, the right to privacy, which is not in the constitution, any law claiming constitutionality based on something not in the constitution is bad law
also it claims this basis to support another fundamental flaw which is that it bases itself on the idea that noone knows when life as a human person begins, now if this is true one would believe the law should error on the side of safety and give the benefit of the doubt to it beginning at conception rather than risk infanticide which it would be if what we dont know ends up being that life begins at conception
June 15th, 2007 at 10:41 pmMost abortions in America are done not to save the mothers life, not because the fetus is dead or non-viable, but because the woman does not want to be pregnant. Life is not fair. Women get pregnant, men don’t. Men can walk away, women cannot. This is reality. Killing someone because they don’t fit into your plans is the ultimate selfish act. I am a mom of 2, and one of my children is totally disabled. I would not give up a minute with either child, I cherish them.
June 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pmA fetus is not a part of the mother’s body. You can say it’s her body, it’s her right all you want, but in reality it just isn’t true.
If you don’t want to be in the intensely painful position of being pregnant and not wanting to be, then don’t get pregnant. Seriously. If you would kill to get out of having a child, then there are other things you can do that are less drastic to keep yourself from being in that position. Yes, there are kids conceived by rape, and there are a lot of other dire circumstances that make up about 1 percent of all abortions – and these cases might morally be best treated by terminating the pregnancy. But for the vast majority of the cases, it is very tragic that we have decided it is OK to kill a child because they are inconvenient, or would “ruin” the mother’s life.
On topic, the funniest aspect of the pundits’ collective chubby for Fred Thompson is that they’re trying to sell him as “ruggedly handsome.†Women, what do you think? My opinion is he looks like a cross between a troll and a basset hound, with possibly a little conehead blood mixed in there somewhere.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
To answer your question, if Fred Thompson were the only man available, I would choose to remain celibate.
June 16th, 2007 at 12:38 amThere are all sorts of tastes in this world, but so far I haven’t seen any posts from women or fake women, other than those from the vilevenus/mightyhypocrite troll, here admiring Fred Thompson. I am quite sure he would not have a young trophy wife with those looks if he were just Fred, your local grocer or shoe-repairman. Perhaps only closeted middle-aged men with homoerotic fantasies find Brain-dead Fred “ruggedly handsome.”
Men,
If you found a human being growing inside you, what would you do?
I wonder what would happen if the fetus could be transfered to the father’s body?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:04 amWhy some people think it’s ok to kill babies just because they’re smaller than the rest of us is beyond me.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:18 amMen,
If you found a human being growing inside you, what would you do?
I wonder what would happen if the fetus could be transfered to the father’s body?
That is something that I have always asked.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:43 amit was bad law. I think people should have the right to an abortion, but I think the decision was incorrect as a matter of law. As a lawyer, I think he would be better suited to judge court decisions than people who are only looking at it as policy.
June 16th, 2007 at 8:57 amThis assclown is against abortion??
That makes him suicidal as, he IS one.
June 16th, 2007 at 9:42 amsorry, I only read up to comment 140-ish, but how come no one mentioned the issue that Thompson is addressing?
He’s talking about how it is not supposed to be a LAW about abortion, but the judges, who are only supposed to uphold the LAW, pretty much created their own law through this decision. Roe vs Wade pretty much said that laws against abortion are unconstitutional, because of people’s “right to privacy,” which is not in the constitution (prove me wrong if you disagree).
June 16th, 2007 at 11:46 amIn this argument, I think Thompson is arguing: Judges are not lawmakers, let the states make their own laws about abortion. If someone can or can’t have an abortion let it be because of the laws created by elected officials, rather than unelected judges. That to me sounds much more patriotic and democratic than what people are saying about him.
My opinion on abortion: privacy rights should be protected, people should have a choice UNLESS it conflicts with someone else’s rights. Therefore if the unborn baby has rights, personal choice shouldn’t supercede it. and I definitely think an unborn baby should have more rights than a protected species.
Flip flop! Flip flop! http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2007/06/11/once-a-pro-choice-skirt-chaser-now-standard-bearer-of-the-religious-right/
June 16th, 2007 at 6:52 pm“I definitely think an unborn baby should have more rights than a protected species.”
Comment by joe — June 16, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Hi, Joe–
June 17th, 2007 at 7:27 amLet me ask you something. Let’s just go this route, for the sake of argument. Let’s say that your “plumbing”
has some kind of sensor built in that counts the number of your little guys released that turned into a viable fetus…. and the more “hits” the little counter records, your testicles begin to stretch and drag lower and lower. You have to wear specially constructed garments, summer and winter, to contain and secure this stretched flesh mashed against your body. The rest your body starts to break down from the inside out, and before you know it, you are having intrusive surgery to remove internal organs and maybe even sections of your ravaged bladder.
The removal of said organs also affect your “manhood” so you take hormones so that you don’t begint to morph into the opposite sex.
Later, those hormones give you cancer……..sounds OK to you?
I really do not understand why this issue is argued so loudly by MEN, when they really do not suffer any of he consequences–except financial (MAYBE), of course.
I guess the only thing to do here is this:
June 17th, 2007 at 7:35 amLadies: mothers, grandmothers, sisters, aunts:
Please tell all young females in your families to do some research before they involve themselves with potential partners–
ask these young men what their opinions are in this argument. Any man who indicates that YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to decide for yourself is NOT someone you should allow into your temple.
At some point in the future, we can prove Darwin’s theory of evolution by breedng this oppressive gene OUT of the species.
Then, we have EVOLVED.
So Fred isn’t technically incorrect. “Abortion” is a popular renaming of “early infanticide”. In either case, a child born/unborn loses its life. The fact that some actually want to split hairs on the “born/unborn” issue is incredulous on many specific and scientific levels. To a biology major it’s not even worth arguing.
So a woman’s right to choose murder has been legal for over 30 years. If you want to argue that, I feel sorry for you. You should have learned the difference between right and wrong when in grade school and not from an activist supreme court that history continues to correct.
June 17th, 2007 at 2:47 pmIf you found a human being growing inside you, what would you do?
I wonder what would happen if the fetus could be transfered to the father’s body?
June 19th, 2007 at 7:45 amFor all of the arguments about a woman’s right to choose, I have one response. Women make the choice when they have sex. If you choose to engage in an activity that you full well know can result in a pregnancy, you must be prepared to accept those consequences. If you are not willing to accept them, than it is your responsibility to abstain from sex, or use at least 2-forms of birth control faithfully.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:36 pmThere is no excuse for an abortion outside the instances of rape, incest and irreparable harm to the mother’s health, and emotional health should not be included in this.
I am a physician who delivers babies, and there is no instance ever shown where a partial birth abortion is ever indicated. The woman is just as safe if the baby is delivered alive. To say otherwise is to be untruthful and is thusly unethical.