Michael Moore talks health care crisis with Oprah.
Michael Moore’s new film on health care, Sicko, premieres everywhere on June 29. (Much more about Sicko HERE.) Moore recently spoke with Oprah Winfrey about America’s broken health care system, and showed several exclusive clips from the film. Watch it:
Earlier this week, Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), whose congressional health care bill the campaign supports, said: “The release of Michael Moore’s ‘Sicko’ is one of the most important developments in the national debate on our health care crisis since the Clintons attempted to pass universal health care legislation in 1994.”
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Michael Moore and Oprah talking about health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HEYOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, it’s not a joke,
Go figure?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:18 pmMichael Moore and Oprah talking about health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HEYOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, it’s not a joke,
Go figure?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:19 pmWatch the entire movie on youtube, but do it quick before Weinstein, Co. gets it pulled! Moore himself has said that he’s happy if people watch it, so go ahead.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:21 pmYes. lets all take healthcare advice from a 500 lb man with 15 pounds of fat around his heart.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:24 pmYou know, Cuba has the highest number of doctors per capita of all the countries in the world. They also have the highest number of political prisoners of any country in the world.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:28 pmmandolin: What do you mean? With all those clogged arteries and probably his insulin completely out of whack, he should be an expert on the health care system.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pmScratch that, lets all take healthcare advice from a 500lb man and a 300 lb woman.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pmAnd the first serious frontrunner who promises “free health care for all” will win in 08 - hands down! Let’s face it: 45 Million people without any health care at all - which doesn’t include the ?? Million seniors who are on Medicare and what does that leave us?? It leaves many working americans without proper health care for themselves and their families, that’s what it leaves in it’s wake.
Abominable that we spend millions of dollars EACH DAY BEFORE BREAKFAST in Iraq and our children and families have to choose between the roof over their head and medicine - or food on their table and medicine. Utterly appalling.
And THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT DEFINES A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!
June 16th, 2007 at 2:32 pmComment by mandolin
Ah, yes, the troll known as banjo returns.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:32 pmNico! I see you restored the Iran link at the top. It’s funny how it disappeared the day Iran took those British soldiers hostage. And it’s back now that story has been forgotten. If I were more cynical I might say it was removed so you could avoid reporting on that topic. How long will it stay this time?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#8: “Free health care”. Yeah, right. The first serious forerunner who does that will lose all his or her chances. We did away with communism in the 90s, don’t you remember?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:34 pmI, for one, don’t want to hear Edwards, Hillary, or Obama (and the entire slate of Rethugs running) discuss “affordable health care”.
Affordable health care (which Edwards says will cost $10,000 per family for which they will get a “tax break”) means nothing when the family income doesn’t even qualify them to pay taxes in the first place…..is considered “poverty level” and/or can’t afford to pay $10,000 - now I wonder just how many households in america would fall into this group?
And, we’re now seeing how the “economic indicators” are being played with - with their own level of fraud. Since when does the bond market go up and Gold not rise?? Who the hell is tinkering with the Gold market?? I think we all know the answer to that question.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:34 pmAnyone else wondering why it takes Michael Moore, and the blogosphere, to bring these issues into the public forum? What actually is the point in the public media anymore?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:35 pmIf this economy wasn’t being propped up by illegals working in the corporations, our entire corporate structure and economy would most certainly collapse.
Once NAR got the facts into the “housing market lie”, it began falling apart. The gold/bond inversion (which makes no sense at all on the capital scene) will be the next bogus indicator.
It’s clear that Bush’s fingerprints are all over these economic lies and the financial markets are beginning to get asked some impossible questions.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:36 pmYes. lets all take healthcare advice from a 500 lb man with 15 pounds of fat around his heart.
Comment by mandolin — June 16, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
He’s not giving medical advice, Einstein. He’s pointing out the broken medical system in our country. Big difference.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:36 pm#
Scratch that, lets all take healthcare advice from a 500lb man and a 300 lb woman.
Comment by mandolin — June 16, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
Who would you prefer to discuss it then troll? Is the RNC still paying five cents per post?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:37 pm#13: Public media keeps the public informed about events that concern them. Politics, domestic or foreign, isn’t one of them and that’s a bloody good thing. Can you imagine what it would be like if we actually let all the morons in the lower half of the IQ gaussian to actually get raw information and influence the decision making process.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:38 pm#13 Because the MSM is corporate owned; the day of the truth teller is long gone, thanks to the propaganda/Bushitco regime. No one can go to the MSM for the truth of any situation any longer. That’s why the MSM is quickly becoming a dinosaur in this country. People go to foreign news outlets for the truth about themselves these days….pretty sad that it’s come to this.
People I know are boycotting the “Faux News Stations” and not buying into their scumbag crap any longer. They’re sickos - just like Moore’s new movie.
BIG PHARMA, BIG OIL, AND BIG INSURANCE are running this country now - even King George has been displaced in the mix.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:39 pm“free health care for all†will win in 08 - hands down!
I disagree, The Government can’t run VA health care (And never could), Will not do anything about the pharmacutical companies (And never will), hasn’t touched insurance companies (and never will). Somehow I am supposed to believe that I can trust the care of my kids to these bozoos with zero experience in the matter? The only thing they can do right is screw things up and add red tape.
If Universal Health care became a reality (Just saying if), many people on this board will become as bad as the Republican trolls they hate. People will post stories about how a child with cancer couldn’t get the drugs due to a filing error and excuses will start flowing and that one child is just a statistic again.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:39 pmThat’s right GOPcurious! We certainly can’t have morons like you attempting to have any credibility whatsoever. That’s patently clear from the mediocrity of your post.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:40 pm#18: Yes. Blame the corporations. They’re what’s wrong with everything in our country.
What simplistic, misinformed drivel. Corporations are the lifeblood of America.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:40 pmAbominable that we spend millions of dollars EACH DAY BEFORE BREAKFAST in Iraq and our children and families have to choose between the roof over their head and medicine - or food on their table and medicine. Utterly appalling.
And THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT DEFINES A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!
Comment by veritas — June 16, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Well said - it bears repeating…
June 16th, 2007 at 2:41 pmTundra: Your point about the government not being able to change their own diapers is accurate; fortunately, there’s a shred of hope left if credible people take control of the white house. I do believe there are plenty of people who have the ability to do their jobs - unfortunately, they are not Republicans.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
The problem in this country with healthcare is not that it costs too much, it’s that they charge too much. Healthcare should be driven by altruism, not capitalism.
I’ll go away now.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:43 pm#24: altruism doesn’t pay the bills.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:43 pmUnbelievable: It’s certain that both Dumbya’s legacy and the legacy of the almost-extinct GOP will certainly be that they’ve taken the US from a first world country to a third-world country in one fell swoop!
What a legacy, indeed! Their children will rebuke them and blame them for everything wrong with the country they will inherit. Glad that I’m not one of them. Phew!
June 16th, 2007 at 2:43 pmTundra et al: Ever wonder why it costs twice as much for a medication in this country as it does in Canada? You’d see the prices drop like the Titanic if/when we have socialized medicine…..no BIG PHARMA raping the american citizens!
June 16th, 2007 at 2:45 pm#25 And Neither does the GOP! (GOPcurious). It’s fact that your party has amassed a debt to the tune of some $30,000 on the heads of every american citizen as of this moment. How does that pay your bills, dude?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:45 pmGOP = THE MOST LIBERAL PARTY EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY…..HEH-HEH!
June 16th, 2007 at 2:46 pmfortunately, there’s a shred of hope left if credible people take control of the white house.i>
And if they get voted out 4 years later are we prepared for whatever happens to their system? Someone will come along with more money and buy their way into the White House, under fund the system and then we are in worse shape.
The dream of it sounds good to me, but the reality of it worries me too much. Hey, let the government start small and start a drug company to drive prices down and see how they do. If they do well, let’s let them open up a couple hospitals. etc.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:46 pm#28: Why should I care about some foreign debt we’ve acquired. We can always print more money or simply not pay the debt back. You’re afraid someone’s going to come in and collect the debt? Who and what army?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:47 pmTanking the economy will also be the legacy of the GOP. We can tell our children that GOP actually stands for “GOPHERS”…. As in: Underground Mole, Tunnel Dweller, Pocket (in the pocket of organized crime) Gophers.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:47 pmdon’t kid yourself Pocket Gopher! Communist China holds some 40% and rising and absolutely can come in whenever they desire to.
Besides, when you can’t find equipment and national guard to come into Kansas following a disaster, what army are you supposing will keep anyone out?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:49 pmah, thank you for one of the central arguments of Republicans, mandolin:
Don’t fix things because the presenter has his or her own problems similar to the crisis itself. Your immense negativity is so inspiring and persuasive.
By the way, it’s not advice that he’s providing, it’s documented, not fictional, observation. Watch the film yourself, or do you need your mommy to explain everything to you?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:49 pm#28 It’s obvious (and a no brainer) that the GOP cares about nothing but themselves….I never posited that you might give one rat’s a$$ about what you’re doing to the planet, your children, or future americans. That’s a “given” with your twisted party.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:50 pmCan you imagine what it would be like if we actually let all the morons in the lower half of the IQ gaussian to actually get raw information and influence the decision making process.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Actually, I can imagine… No George Bush :D
June 16th, 2007 at 2:50 pmKucinich , beside being on the good side of all issues, is the only candidate in favor of eliminating health insurance co to a medicare for all. The others talk about health care reform, but still have insurance co. involved in some way in their plan.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:50 pmKucinich may gain some leverage after this movie is out there.
#33: We’ve got plenty of military strength still and we’ve got a shitload of nukes, too. Large and small. So, I don’t see any problem here.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:50 pmSicko Mandolin is back…..ditch the thread! He’s one broken string.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:51 pmYou’d see the prices drop like the Titanic if/when we have socialized medicine
Well first off I think we use medicine way too much in this country. The amount of kids on Ritalin is sickening to me.
Let the government get a wellness plan working to stop people from getting sick in the first place. They will screw it up just like the old Presidential Physical Fitness standards they put out that didn’t change a thing.
I just need to see them get one right before I am trusting in them.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:51 pm#37 Kucinich will, indeed, gain traction following release of Moore’s movie. Additionally, if one of the democratic frontrunners began serious discussion of our sicko health care system, they would zoom to the top of the charts handily.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:52 pmBecause the MSM is corporate owned; the day of the truth teller is long gone, thanks to the propaganda/Bushitco regime. No one can go to the MSM for the truth of any situation any longer. That’s why the MSM is quickly becoming a dinosaur in this country. People go to foreign news outlets for the truth about themselves these days….pretty sad that it’s come to this.
Yeah, it is sad that everything actually does have a price… Including our Constitutional freedoms…
People I know are boycotting the “Faux News Stations†and not buying into their scumbag crap any longer. They’re sickos - just like Moore’s new movie.
I deprogrammed my set to skip FAUX, along with all theother channels advertizing similar cheap garbage :D
BIG PHARMA, BIG OIL, AND BIG INSURANCE are running this country now - even King George has been displaced in the mix.
Comment by veritas — June 16, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Absolutely. Have you read anything by Thom Hartman? Corporate Personhood. Until we slay that dragon, it’s going to reduce us to medieval serfs and slaves…
June 16th, 2007 at 2:54 pm#41: If you dems start talking about free health care, we’ll win in 2008. Most Americans don’t like the idea that they’re going to end up paying someone else’s medical bill won’t go down so well with the independents or even moderate democrats.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:54 pmWOW the poorest british citizen lives longer than the wealthiest american
WOW
June 16th, 2007 at 2:54 pmTundra: A wellness (holistic) plan is good but what does one do when the environment is totally polluted and carcinogenic? Contemporary medicine is the treatment of “defacto” illness and the drug companies are making megabucks on that. There is no doubt that this is necessary but americans are getting raped by paying two to three times more for meds than Canadians. This is totally nonsensical since they are exactly the same pills manufactured by american drug companies who have subsidiaries abroad but the very same quality control. This is amoral.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:55 pmCan you imagine what it would be like if we actually let all the morons in the lower half of the IQ gaussian to actually get raw information and influence the decision making process.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Yeah we need to start having a voting test, f you can’t pass you can’t vote. That way we can allow a what I will call “Ruling Class” to decide what is best for everyone instead of a democracy. Or the amount your vote counts is based on how well you scored on the test.
/Sarcasm
June 16th, 2007 at 2:55 pmUnbelievable: Yes, I have read Tom Hartman. There are increasing numbers of intelligent people who have this sicko Republican landscape all figured out and are enlightening amazing numbers of americans.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:57 pmlet the health care revolution begin now
AMERICANS WANT ZERO WAITING LISTS LIKE GERMANY AND FRANCE
June 16th, 2007 at 2:57 pm#46: I wouldn’t have any problems with such a system. The fact is that we need a way to keep the rabble (who just will never understand the issues) out of the election process.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:57 pmimagine zero waiting lists
your ill your seen straight away and operated on
June 16th, 2007 at 2:58 pmThis is totally nonsensical since they are exactly the same pills manufactured by american drug companies who have subsidiaries abroad but the very same quality control.
That’s part of my point, the government hasn’t done anything about the medicines and I am supposed to say “Here take the entire Healthcare ball of wax”?
June 16th, 2007 at 2:58 pm#46 Make certain that this “voting test” is on the Diebold/ESS/Sequoia hackable voting machine, please! Then we all can pass that test. hahaha! If anyone believes that their vote will not be hacked in 08 , please raise your hand!
June 16th, 2007 at 2:58 pmIf Universal Health care became a reality (Just saying if), many people on this board will become as bad as the Republican trolls they hate.
Comment by Tundra — June 16, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
Have you ever heard of Canada?
We’re the ONLY industrialized Nation in the world that doesn’t have national healthcare. It’s been well tested…
June 16th, 2007 at 2:58 pmimagine zero waiting lists
your ill your seen straight away and operated on
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 16, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Yeah just like the VA health care system has had since the beginning under any leadership.
Ummmmmm…..Yeah
June 16th, 2007 at 2:59 pmhalf a trillion spent on killing Iraqis when that money could be used saving American lifes
Your call
June 16th, 2007 at 2:59 pmTundra, Tundra, Tundra….Your assumption is that this group of known criminal thugs will still be running things. Of course, this group of fools haven’t done anything; they’re all getting kickbacks from Big Pharma. We need to clean the slate in 08 of this dead wood.
And then we need to ensure that intelligent, moral, honest individuals are installed in their stead.
June 16th, 2007 at 2:59 pmWhat is our national debt right now?? Take that money and, instead of using it to kill our own military and 600,000 Iraqis, it would mean FREE HEALTHCARE FOR ALL! OBL was absolutely 100% right - he doesn’t have to do a single thing. With Dumbya & Co running things, he can be assured that we’ll destroy ourselves.
Truer words were never spoken, as it’s turnint out.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:01 pmThe trolls will all attempt to hijack this discussion; however, the facts are in from Canada as well as other countries. The fact that we have citizens without any healthcare qualifies us as a “third world country” right now.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:02 pmHave you ever heard of Canada?
We’re the ONLY industrialized Nation in the world that doesn’t have national healthcare. It’s been well tested…
Comment by unbelievable — June 16, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Their systems survive because we don’t have one. What group of people pays for the research and development of drugs? Americans. Then the drug companies sell them in bulk cheaper to the other countries, and we continue paying for the next one.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:02 pmheres the Amazing bit
I have family travel insurance that covers me worldwide for my family… that includes america ….. up to $10 million dollars per person medical expensis
and it costs me £117 for my family per year — of 2 adults and 3 children
June 16th, 2007 at 3:03 pmCorporations are the lifeblood of America.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Really? You mean Exxon and Nabisco came over on the Mayflower? How about that…
Idiot.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:03 pmThis is a major “screwjob” on americans - the collusion between BIG PHARMA and BIG INSURANCE. I hope Moore will delve into the fraudulent Insurance Industry soon. What could he call this one? Maybe BIG KATRINA?? OR BIG KAHOONA?
June 16th, 2007 at 3:04 pmHealthcare should be driven by altruism, not capitalism.
Great point. Let’s make them non-profit. That should fix that problem :D
I’ll go away now.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 16, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
No, don’t…
June 16th, 2007 at 3:05 pmTundra: Sorry to burst your bubble but you are totally wrong on that one! (your premise in #59). We are screwed by the drug companies because the Republicans are allowing it - plain & simple. It has absolutely nothing to do with us paying for anyone else’s drugs. I’m beginning to sniff some troll on you, dude.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pmi have a plan, I am going to reclaim my Italian citizenship and move to a country in the EU that actually cares about its citizens.
not has there been, nor will there ever be a candidate that will support a single payer heath care system. It seems powers that be would accept a board of directors of a government panel to make life and death decisions.
never going to happen in the USA
June 16th, 2007 at 3:07 pmThe point to make is that OUR GOVERNMENT should be driven by altruism, too. Instead, it’s driven by greed & corruption, lies & deceit. It’s prevalent at the top and filters down the food chain, unfortunately.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:07 pmveritas: In other words, you want a weak nanny-state government. No wonder you’re posting here.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:10 pm37th in the world for healthcare after Costa Rica
come on trolls lets hear ya
were the biggest , largest, smallest, greatest, most selfish country on the goddam planet
CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME
June 16th, 2007 at 3:10 pmCorporations are the lifeblood of America.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Really? You mean Exxon and Nabisco came over on the Mayflower? How about that…
Idiot.
Comment by unbelievable
GOPcurious just mispoke, unbelievable. What s/he meant to say was, ahem, “Corporations are SUCKING the lifeblood RIGHT OUT of America”. See, now it makes sense?
While you’re all busy discussing ways to fix America, don’t forget to go back and strip corporations of their “rights” as individuals. The so-called “Founding Fathers” were actually very wary of corporations and put strigent legal limits on them in the early days of the Republicâ„¢. Let’s go back to those limits…
June 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWe are screwed by the drug companies because the Republicans are allowing it
With the Republicans it’s all the Islamic Terrorists fault, with you it’s all the Republicans fault.
Anyway I look at it, this government or any before it haven’t done one good thing at all with healthcare ever…..
Personally I am not prepared to hand them the whole thing, It’s like saying “My neighbors kid can fix a bicycle, lets have him work on my plane”.
Anywho’s that’s just my opinion, I am out to enjoy the day, have a good one.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmHey, dipstick…
When you look at the US Code (look it up), you’ll find that many of our laws are purely “political” (any of the “victimless” crimes will do). We have the highest numbers of prisoners of any country in the world. Unless you believe Americans are more prone to criminality than other people, you’ll start to understand just who has the greatest number of “political” prisoners on the planet.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pmThe trolls will all attempt to hijack this discussion; however, the facts are in from Canada as well as other countries. The fact that we have citizens without any healthcare qualifies us as a “third world country†right now.
Comment by veritas — June 16, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
But doesn’t that mean those “first world” countries should be shellin’ out the ca$h?
Hey Canada, where’s my Canuck Cheeze, bitches?!?!?!?
June 16th, 2007 at 3:14 pmYou computer gods post way too fast for me to keep up…
June 16th, 2007 at 3:15 pm65 # i have a plan, I am going to reclaim my Italian citizenship and move to a country in the EU that actually cares about its citizens.
Australian, Canadians , British have mutual free care for each others citizens
as does most of Europe these days its free to all Europeans
June 16th, 2007 at 3:15 pmWhy should I care about some foreign debt we’ve acquired. We can always print more money or simply not pay the debt back. You’re afraid someone’s going to come in and collect the debt? Who and what army?
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
No army would be required. Don’t pay your debt / interest payments and your dollar will drop faster then the Mexican peso… your dollar will drop faster then it is already. It will quickly become worthless. And while you can play the tough guy & say you don’t care, your country will become a wasteland once your dollar is worth a dime. Give a listen to Warren Buffet some time & consider the risk your country is already in because of your huge fiscal deficit, massive debt & trade deficit. All China would have to do is call some debt and your economy would crash. They don’t do it because the debt you owe them would become worthless, but they might reconsider in the future and decide it’s worth doing. You’re on a precipice and you’re too stupid to recognize it.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:18 pmveritas: In other words, you want a weak nanny-state government. No wonder you’re posting here.
Comment by GOPcurious
And what would you prefer, GOPcurious, a strong, manly father figure to tell you what to do all the time?
June 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pm“Most Americans don’t like the idea that they’re going to end up paying someone else’s medical bill won’t go down so well with the independents or even moderate democrats.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 2:54 pm”
So tell me genius, who pays the bills for the uninsured now? You know, like the one for the guy who couldn’t afford to go to the doctor for a $40 pnuemonia shot or buy antibiotics when he started to get sick so he ends up in the hospital for a $30K stay?
June 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pmHave you read anything by Thom Hartman? Corporate Personhood.
Comment by unbelievable — June 16, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
Is that “Gangs of America” (or some similar title)? I read a little of it on another website, where it discussed what Thomas Jefferson had to say about corporations, warning that they should NOT be allowed to have influence on government. Amazing how prescient he was–what a genius!
June 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pmTheir systems survive because we don’t have one.
That’s absolutely ridiculous.
What group of people pays for the research and development of drugs? Americans. Then the drug companies sell them in bulk cheaper to the other countries, and we continue paying for the next one.
Comment by Tundra — June 16, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
This is the beauty of community based thought - share teh costs all around and by and large it will still be cheaper for everyone.
Though, I hat eto burst your bubble, but the BIG PHARMA has cut significantly back on R&D due to the fact that it’s cheaper to sell more of teh drugs they produce than tomake new ones.
There currently exists a cure for cancer. You know what’s blocking it from reaching the masses? Yep - BIG PHARMA.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:19 pmComment by Dave C
Or have the rest of the world abandon the dollar and go to the Euro.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:20 pmOr have the rest of the world abandon the dollar and go to the Euro.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 16, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
That’s already happening, or about to. There’s a reason the Cdn & US $ are almost at par.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI’m beginning to sniff some troll on you, dude.
Comment by veritas — June 16, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Tundra’s a conservative Libertarian who served in the Marines.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:22 pm#75: I’d think that crashing our economy would be viewed as an attack on our strategic assets - something that is a very, very unwise thing to do to a country with nuclear arsenal.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:22 pmThe so-called “Founding Fathers†were actually very wary of corporations and put strigent legal limits on them in the early days of the Republic™. Let’s go back to those limits…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 16, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
If Jefferson had gotten his way, there would have been an Amendment limiting corporation power… That man was presciently brilliant beyond his age (and ours)…
June 16th, 2007 at 3:24 pmThat’s already happening, or about to. There’s a reason the Cdn & US $ are almost at par.
Comment by Dave C
Yeah, I’ve been reading about htis for a while. I’m not sure people understand the consequences of this, should it happen completely. I am ASTONISHED the Brush Admin would so willingly sell so much debt to the Chinese. Are these people insane or what?
June 16th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#77: I never said that the system we have now is perfect. For instance, what is that guy in your example doing in the hospital anyway if he can’t afford it.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:26 pmGOPcurious, your govt is crashing your economy. If China needs the funds they can call the debt. The fact that that causes your economy pain is your own doing, no one else’s. I also doubt that the U.S. is about to attack China. They’re currently being overwhelmed in the streets of Iraq. For all of the huffing & puffing about attacking Iran right now, the world is snickering while they are being held back by insurgents in Iraq. You might think that nukes are your salvation but they’re all a bluff. Use them at your own peril. Only a madman would nuke another country for asking the U.S. to pay back their debt. GWB is such a madman but his time is limited… your family’s share of the U.S. debt will outlive him by decades. Enjoy your small govt brought to you by the the Republican party.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pmHey Canada, where’s my Canuck Cheeze, bitches?!?!?!?
Comment by PRIMVS INTER PARES — June 16, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Relax Santo… You’re getting a bit too obvious again.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pmLet the government get a wellness plan working to stop people from getting sick in the first place.
Comment by Tundra — June 16, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
A wellness (holistic) plan is good but what does one do when the environment is totally polluted and carcinogenic?
Comment by veritas — June 16, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Not to mention medical care for such things as broken bones. Accidents do happen (I’ve had a couple of broken bones in the last few years, and we wouldn’t have been able to afford the bills without coverage.)
June 16th, 2007 at 3:28 pm“Most Americans don’t like the idea that they’re going to end up paying someone else’s medical bill won’t go down so well with the independents or even moderate democrats.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 2:54 pmâ€
I would hate to live in such a selfish society wow , I just cant even begin to imagine your mentality , charity begins at home
you are more than willing to pay tax to destroy life than help life
shocked by your greed
June 16th, 2007 at 3:28 pmYes. lets all take healthcare advice from a 500 lb man with 15 pounds of fat around his heart.
Comment by mandolin
Beats taking advice from a troll w/ 15 lbs of shit between his ears.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:29 pmAnd what would you prefer, GOPcurious, a strong, manly father figure to tell you what to do all the time?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 16, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
He just got wood over that…
June 16th, 2007 at 3:29 pm#77: I never said that the system we have now is perfect. For instance, what is that guy in your example doing in the hospital anyway if he can’t afford it.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
You’d let people die just because they contracted an illness through no fault of their own? You’re one sick bastard.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pmAnd what would you prefer, GOPcurious, a strong, manly father figure to tell you what to do all the time?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 16, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
He wants one that smells like Fred Thompson.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pm#75: I’d think that crashing our economy would be viewed as an attack on our strategic assets - something that is a very, very unwise thing to do to a country with nuclear arsenal.
Comment by GOPcurious
It’s called a “Phyrric victory”, stupid. Learn to read. We all will suffer in a nuclear winter. Primus Inter Pares, you’ve studied the classics, explain to this idiot what a “Phyrric victory” is.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pm#90: I’ve never seen why asking people to take care of themselves is being selfish. I don’t want to pay someone else’s medical bills, because I’ve made sure I can afford treatment for myself. Sure all that saving is cutting into my standard of living right now, but still I would find it appallingly humiliating to ask someone else to cover my bills.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:32 pmHe wants one that smells like Fred Thompson.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Ewww… my breakfast just voted on a deadline for complete withdrawal. Thanks alot, Jane.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:33 pm“For instance, what is that guy in your example doing in the hospital anyway if he can’t afford it.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 3:26 pm”
So he should die in the street eh? Ahhh, the republican vision for America, the compasion of it all, it’s beautiful thing isn’t it? Really brings a tear to your eye.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:33 pmYou’d let people die just because they contracted an illness through no fault of their own? You’re one sick bastard.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
The GOP mantra: “Ah, f**k ‘em.”
June 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pmits quite clear the trolls would rather their taxdollar be spent on grenades or landmines to kill foreigners than help a fellow America in need
the 28% are all like that -
these people are like energy stealers - they get high by seeing people down
June 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pmbut still I would find it appallingly humiliating to ask someone else to cover my bills.
Comment by GOPcurious
I agree completely. That’s why I intend to lie down and die right there on the sidewalk when the time comes… it’s The American Thing To DOâ„¢!
June 16th, 2007 at 3:34 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 16, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
Sorry, TROS, I couldn’t help myself. Anyway, I’m just popping in during the rain delay at the Mets/Yankees game, so I’ll try not to gross you out again! :-D
June 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pmIs that “Gangs of America†(or some similar title)? I read a little of it on another website, where it discussed what Thomas Jefferson had to say about corporations, warning that they should NOT be allowed to have influence on government. Amazing how prescient he was–what a genius!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — June 16, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
It was actually a political comic book (I forgot the name) that I didn’t realize was a comic book until I received it. I think he was trying to reach a younger audience with it.
I totally agree. Jefferson is my American Idol :D It’s too bad he never wrote books like Thomas Paine did. It would be nice to have volumes of his wisdom around for reference. Such unparalleled brilliance.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:35 pm#101: No. Planning ahead and taking care of yourself is the American Thing to Do.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:36 pmI’ve made sure I can afford treatment for myself. Sure all that saving is cutting into my standard of living right now, but still I would find it appallingly humiliating to ask someone else to cover my bills.
Comment by GOPcurious
I highly doubt that. Simply operations in the U.S. cost 10’s of thousands of $$$. Get some dread disease and you’d be wiped out in a week. What you’ve done is saved enough for the medical care you currently need, not the potential medical care in the future. I’m guessing the second you get cancer metastasizing throughout your body you sing a different tune. It’s shameful for the healthy to mock the sick.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:37 pmFor instance, what is that guy in your example doing in the hospital anyway if he can’t afford it.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
That was QJ’s point - you’re paying more for it in the long run by not paying for a smaller cure in the beginning.
Though, heartless one, he is physically there because of the Hippocratic oath and laws that follow it…
June 16th, 2007 at 3:37 pmEnjoy your small govt brought to you by the the Republican party.
Comment by Dave C — June 16, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Touche!
June 16th, 2007 at 3:39 pm#105: No. Currently my medical emergency fund is at about $43000 and is growing interest. I put about one third of my monthly salary in that fund for several years.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pm#101: No. Planning ahead and taking care of yourself is the American Thing to Do.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 3:36 pm
Damn, I knew that Wayne and I should have planned ahead when that guy in the van fell asleep at the wheel and rammed us into the car in front of us while stopped on the exit ramp! Man, who knew that I could have avoided that somehow!
You’ve got to be the stupidest f*ckhead troll ever.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:40 pm96 # I don’t want to pay someone else’s medical bills, because I’ve made sure I can afford treatment for myself.
so I suggest you tell your Goverment of the US that you dont want your taxdollars paying for grenades, rockets or landmines and would prefer they use your taxdollar to pay for fellow American citizens healthcare
wait a few years till you get a tumor , they cut it out and tell you your insurance costs quadruple so now you cant afford insurance any more - - your arguement is non nonsensical - or stupid as they come
June 16th, 2007 at 3:41 pmSorry, TROS, I couldn’t help myself. Anyway, I’m just popping in during the rain delay at the Mets/Yankees game, so I’ll try not to gross you out again! :-D
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Just out of curiosity, are you for the Mets or the Yankees? Inquiring minds need to know.
Actually, managed health care has worked fine for me… I’m too SCARED to get sick! Badda-bing! (Rimshot!!) (Wild applause…)
Thank you, thank you, you’ve been a wonderful audience!! You’re sure you don’t want a door prize?
Ladies and germs, The Republic of Stupidityâ„¢ has left the house!!!
June 16th, 2007 at 3:41 pmNo. Currently my medical emergency fund is at about $43000 and is growing interest. I put about one third of my monthly salary in that fund for several years.
Thank you. You’ve just proved my point. $43k would probably last a week recovery after a simple operation. Good luck to you, hope you stay healthy.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:41 pmBeats taking advice from a troll w/ 15 lbs of shit between his ears.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 16, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Precisely why I don’t drink anything while reading the comments. Freaking hilarious!
June 16th, 2007 at 3:41 pmPRIMVS INTER PARES, and mandolin:
I suppose neither of you saw Moore when he was on The Tonight Show. There, he talked about how he has been working hard to get healthy. Taking a walk every day, discovering fruit, etc.
To everyone:
Uhh… did Moore really say he went to ALL the major insurance companies?! He said none of them would insure the film.. that they ALL TURNED HIM DOWN.
My question is… why did Moore ask to be insured by the same people he wants to take down? I don’t get it. Was it to prove a point, or was he REALLY trying to get the insurance from them? This will be extremely hypocritical if it turns out he really was looking for insurance from them.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 16, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
METS! Hope they don’t call the game on accounta rain, as my guys are currently down by a couple of runs!
June 16th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#105: No. Currently my medical emergency fund is at about $43000 and is growing interest. I put about one third of my monthly salary in that fund for several years.
Comment by GOPcurious
Right… saving up money for that “stickendectomy” you’re going to need someday.
(A “stickendectomy” is that operation where they go and remove the stick stuck up your ass…)
June 16th, 2007 at 3:43 pmYou’ve got to be the stupidest f*ckhead troll ever.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Whoa, that’s a bold statement, Jane, considering some of the other statements I’ve seen posted here.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:46 pm#112: I know that perfectly well. As I said, it is an emergency fund. Major funds will, of course, come from the insurance I’ve bought.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:47 pm#110: Why would I want to tell my government to stop using my money on our military? I want a strong military.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:48 pmGOPcurious - your emergency fund is at about $43000 - so it runs out would you like everyperson in the US to chip in 1 cent to save your life or NOT
$43000 - pretty pathetic which finger would you like sown back on …ha ha ha ha.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:48 pmI’ve never seen why asking people to take care of themselves is being selfish.
Let’s put this into perspective. You live in a city or town that was developed because pervious citizens paid taxes so that systems such as roads, water, sewer, gargabe collection, electrity plants, farms, groceries stores and so on would be available to all. They knew that there was no way every person could individually achieve these things, so they collectively contributed, through taxes, and you have the benefit of their investment. Therefore, YOU are not taking acre of yourself either. You’ve relied on the wealth of previous generations.
I don’t want to pay someone else’s medical bills, because I’ve made sure I can afford treatment for myself.
Well, what if we never built hospitals in the first place? You can’t overlook the fact that you CAN’T afford medical treatment without the collective efforts of the country… So why would you deny the same to someone else?
You’re just a medical disaster away from bankruptcy yourself… And then what will you do if you were then treated as you now wish to treat others?
Sure all that saving is cutting into my standard of living right now, but still I would find it appallingly humiliating to ask someone else to cover my bills.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
Then stop looking at it that way. There are no individuals in a system. That’s a good thing. Stop knocking it…
June 16th, 2007 at 3:48 pmMETS! Hope they don’t call the game on accounta rain, as my guys are currently down by a couple of runs!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
HAH! Another Mets fan. Ya know, I listened to every last pitch of Tom Seaver’s near perfecto against the Cubbies way back when! I lived w/ a little cheap transistor radio glued to the side of my head that summer.
Last 2 weeks have been a little hard, huh?
June 16th, 2007 at 3:48 pm“Currently my medical emergency fund is at about $43000 and is growing interest. Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 3:40 pm”
Hope you’ve got good insurance to go with that bonehead. I recently had a heart attack, and was in the hospital 3 days for a total of $72K - for the hospital alone.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pmMETS! Hope they don’t call the game on accounta rain, as my guys are currently down by a couple of runs!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
I was counting on them to give the Wankees another beating. Hmmm…. Tommy Glavine gave up seven runs? That sucks.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pmNO DEBATE ABOUT AMERICAN HEALTHCARE IS COMPLETE WITHOUT DISCUSSING THE CADILLAC OF NATIONAL HEALTHCARE PROGRAMS…
June 16th, 2007 at 3:50 pmISRAEL’S NATIONAL HEALTH.
Check it out. Israel has the best national healthcare program in the world.
#121: You’re completely ignoring the role of corporations in your little story. You’re making it sound like your friendly little nanny-state government has made all the good things in life. Wrong. Corporations and good old fashioned greed is behind most of it. The only good role for a centralized government is providing security for a functioning economy which, in turn, will provide jobs and the necessary services like health care.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWhoa, that’s a bold statement, Jane, considering some of the other statements I’ve seen posted here.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 16, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
I’m in a “superlative” mood today.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pmGOPcurious - your emergency fund is at about $43000
Im insured and my whole family for America/worldwide for $10 million each
and it cost be £117 per year or about $200 to you
http://www.insureandgo.com
Annual Multitrip . . My card is Black the best one £117 per year
June 16th, 2007 at 3:53 pmits quite clear the trolls would rather their taxdollar be spent on grenades or landmines to kill foreigners than help a fellow America in need
these people are like energy stealers - they get high by seeing people down
Comment by Tobey Tall
That’s not totally ture, Tobey. they also want some cluster bombs disguised as small toys (to get the kiddies) and don’t forget the napalm.
I love the smell of napalm in the morning…
June 16th, 2007 at 3:54 pmHAH! Another Mets fan. Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 16, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Whew! I was afraid that you were going to say that you were a Yankees fan. Yeah, the last two weeks HAVE sucked out loud.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:54 pmMORE:
1) Moore is the first Liberal to make a case FOR Gitmo! Here we are trying to shut it down because of the terrible treatment, but apparently they are our playing soccer, and getting all the health care they need!
2) Moore thinks that if we can give free healthcare to Gitmo inmates, it should be no problem to do the same for EVERYONE in America. But here is a news flash…. there are waaaaaaay more people in America then there are in Gitmo. Plus, a lot of the time, it’s the pathetic American’s faults for getting sick, when they choose to eat crap, and live crap lives.
After just a few clips, I’m already this mad about Moore’s film. I used to love Moore. But man…. uch. It’s not the same anymore.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:54 pmWell first off I think we use medicine way too much in this country. The amount of kids on Ritalin is sickening to me.
Let the government get a wellness plan working to stop people from getting sick in the first place. They will screw it up just like the old Presidential Physical Fitness standards they put out that didn’t change a thing.
I just need to see them get one right before I am trusting in them.
Comment by Tundra
So correct. The pharmaceuticals are making a fortune - that is another scandal in itself as doesn’t the FDA also regulate the drug industry? How many diseases can be prevented if our food was pure? Example - I know of a person who suffered from restless leg syndrome - a very aggravating problem that does not allow one to sleep at night. As soon as diet soda and other junk was eliminated from the diet the problem went away. The pharmacy industry now has a “drug” out there to ease RLS, but I wonder how many others would have this ailment and so many other problems if the food was pure. Is
June 16th, 2007 at 3:54 pmthe FDA making a fortune for the drug industry by not properly telling the truth ?
125 # Check it out. Israel has the best national healthcare program in the world.
please provide a link
Germany and France have the best health care - I bet you - - - zero waiting lists
June 16th, 2007 at 3:55 pm#75: I’d think that crashing our economy would be viewed as an attack on our strategic assets - something that is a very, very unwise thing to do to a country with nuclear arsenal.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Guess what genius, China ALSO has a nuclear arsenal, as does Russia
The US launches ANY nuclear missiles, what makes you think Russia and China will just allow it to happen with no cost for W and the rest of us to pay?
June 16th, 2007 at 3:57 pmTommy Glavine gave up seven runs? That sucks.
Comment by gummitch — June 16, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Yeah, it doesn’t help when you let the leadoff hitter get on in every inning.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:57 pmThe only good role for a centralized government is providing security for a functioning economy which, in turn, will provide jobs and the necessary services like health care.
Comment by GOPcurious
Hmmm, reading more fairy tales I see. Apparently you LIKE living in a corporatocracy, or an oligarchy, or a kleptocracy, whichever you prefer.
I can imagine you also like wearing a bowtie, in honor of George Will, too.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:57 pmTommy Glavine gave up seven runs? That sucks.
Comment by gummitch — June 16, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Yeah, it doesn’t help when you let the leadoff hitter get on in every inning.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
A rough patch, guys. This too will pass.
(Hmmm… isn’t that what KKKarl said about Jeff Gannon’s wrist watch?)
June 16th, 2007 at 3:59 pm“I would find it appallingly humiliating to ask someone else to cover my bills.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 3:32 pm”
Good, we’ll tell your insurer not to expect a claim then.
June 16th, 2007 at 3:59 pmGummitch, TROS, it’s now 8-5 Yanks, Mets batting. See you later.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:01 pm#137: Sure it would be humiliating, but having the health care bought from and delivered by a corporation is at least palatable. A government racket like taxation for free health care for all is an obscenity.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:02 pm#133: Exactly. The mutual assured destruction doctrine will prevent the China from seriously harming our economy by crashing it. They crash our economy, we retaliate this attack with nukes and the world dies. Nobody wants that, so therefore it is in China’s best interests not to crash our economy even if we won’t pay back our debt.
See?
June 16th, 2007 at 4:04 pm#137: Sure it would be humiliating, but having the health care bought from and delivered by a corporation is at least palatable. A government racket like taxation for free health care for all is an obscenity.
Who said anything about FREE healthcare? What about AFFORDABLE (NOT-FOR-PROFIT) healthcare? Like in the old days, B.R. (Before Reagan…), when hospitals weren’t run FOR PROFIT alone and doctors were doctors so they could, ya know, HEAL the sick, and not become corporations, like Bill Frist.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:05 pmI recently had a heart attack,
Holy sh!t !! Sorry to hear that. Obviously you’re better now… Good thing :D
and was in the hospital 3 days for a total of $72K - for the hospital alone.
Comment by Quadrajet — June 16, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
THAT is ridiculous! What a rip off!
June 16th, 2007 at 4:07 pmA government racket like taxation for free health care for all is an obscenity.
theres plenty of good healthcare models that work, I dare say America will choose the right one when it gets a true leader
June 16th, 2007 at 4:07 pm#139 - You’re paying for it anyway bozo, at a much higher cost. I know you don’t get it, poor thing.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:07 pm#133: Exactly. The mutual assured destruction doctrine will prevent the China from seriously harming our economy by crashing it. They crash our economy, we retaliate this attack with nukes and the world dies. Nobody wants that, so therefore it is in China’s best interests not to crash our economy even if we won’t pay back our debt.
See?
Comment by GOPcurious
Gosh, you’re so cool. First you rag on poor people who can’t afford health care (like you, you cool GOPer, you) and then you turn around and advocate for the US becoming the biggest financial deadbeat in the world. Hmmm, is that really any different from poor people who run up medical bills they can’t afford to pay?
BTW, the Chinese won’t have to crash our economy. America’s CEOâ„¢ is well on his way to doing it. The Chinese high command has GOT to be laughing their collective asses off at this point.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:09 pmfor christs sake even a dog found in the streets of Europe probably gets better health care than an American with no money
When America chooses a leader thats caring things will change for the better, theres a vast array of health care systems worldwide that work
June 16th, 2007 at 4:09 pmI hate to leave all this fun and games, but gotta run. The rest of you, good luck in knocking some sense into GOPcurious.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:10 pmI know I said I said I would go away, but I have to send my compliments to unbelievable for her post at #121. Well said! Nicely put.
Conservatives simply do not appreciate, nor will they acknowledge, that the quality of life they enjoy today is because of what liberals have fought for and conservatives opposed. They pride themselves on their “independence”, never realizing that even the simple act of driving to work so they can earn their livelihood would not be possible without the collective will of all of us.
If they think they can be so independent of the rest of us, then they should go to the desert and live out there, away from “civilization” and all those pesky, needful, other human beings.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:10 pm#143: Sure it “works”. The government takes your money basically at a gun-point and uses it to cover the cost of treating people you don’t even know. Americans will not tolerate that kind of socialism.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:10 pmYou’re completely ignoring the role of corporations in your little story.
Because they are only a modern assertion, so you cannot take them into consideration until you get to superfluous things like skyscrapers.
You’re making it sound like your friendly little nanny-state government has made all the good things in life. Wrong. Corporations and good old fashioned greed is behind most of it.
Bullshit. Those things are the result of TAXES. And who pays the majority of taxes? The middle class. And who collects the taxes? The Government. And who builds these infrastructure? Again - the government.
The only good role for a centralized government is providing security for a functioning economy which, in turn, will provide jobs and the necessary services like health care.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
I cannot believe that you forgot your favorite role of the government - MILITARY!!! WAR!!! BOMBS!!!
June 16th, 2007 at 4:12 pm#145: What do I care if some European or Chinese bozo loses money? I care only about what’s mine.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:12 pmComment by unbelievable — June 16, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
Thanks UB, much better now. How are you my friend? Yes, the cost is completely insane. $9000 a day for the room and didn’t see a nurse unless I got bored and wiggled the wires on my chest to simulate another attack. No open bar, no digital cable, nothing. You’re right, GOPheartless is one medical disaster away from wipeout, and then he’ll be singing a different toon, hehehehehe. They always do…..
June 16th, 2007 at 4:12 pm2 fatties talking about healthcare…I wonder what the Twinkies are doing to their health.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:14 pm#150: What are you talking about? I didn’t forget about the military. I mentioned “security”, didn’t I? At least try reading my posts if you’re replying to them.
“Bullshit. Those things are the result of TAXES. And who pays the majority of taxes? The middle class. And who collects the taxes? The Government. And who builds these infrastructure? Again - the government.”
That’s the way how it is now - we’ve got big government that’s got its hands on everything. When the America was born the government was weak and the local infrastructure was built and maintained by private enterprise. That’s the way it should be today, too.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pmA government racket like taxation for free health care for all is an obscenity.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 16, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
So you’ll stop using the hospitals then as well? Because your money isn’t covering the construction costs of the hospital you’ll be using - just the care you’ll receive in it…
June 16th, 2007 at 4:15 pm#155: Nope. Hospitals are corporations and they’ll recover the costs.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI hate to leave all this fun and games, but gotta run. The rest of you, good luck in knocking some sense into GOPcurious.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 16, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
It will be difficult. He wants his healthcare to come from a corporation, an entity, according to the late Milton Friedman, whose sole responsibility is to earn a profit for its shareholders.
In other words, he would rather get his healthcare from someone who wants to make as much money as possible off him than from someone who went in to medicine because they care about healing the sick and comforting the dying.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:19 pmfor christs sake even a dog found in the streets of Europe probably gets better health care than an American with no money
Comment by Tobey Tall — June 16, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
So does a dog in America. My friends and I were just discussing the other day how the fact that veternarians are largely still mom and pop shops of doctors who love animals, that our pets currently get better health care than we do. It’s hard to find a quack vet… Though I’m sure this will change as the greedy pigs are starting to capitalize on pets now too.
June 16th, 2007 at 4:19 pmI’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
The problem in this country with healthcare is not that it costs too much, it’s that they charge too much. Healthcare should be driven by altruism, not capitalism.
I’ll go away now.
Easy for you to say when you’re not an investor in the industry.
Gotta love liberal ‘compassion’. I don’t want to help the poor, I want the ‘rich’ to help the poor.
No thanks!
June 16th, 2007 at 4:20 pmIt will be difficult. He wants his healthcare to come from a corporation, an entity, according to the late Milton Fr