Investigation Uncovers ‘Extensive Destruction’ Of RNC Emails, Violations Of Records Act
Investigation Uncovers ‘Extensive Destruction’ Of RNC Emails, Violations Of Records Act
House investigators have learned that the Bush administration’s use of Republican National Committee email accounts is far greater than previously disclosed — 140,216 emails sent or received by Karl Rove alone — and that the RNC has overseen “extensive destruction” of many of the emails, including all email records for 51 White House officials.
For the last several months, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee has been “investigating whether White House officials violated the Presidential Records Act” by using email accounts maintained by the RNC and the Bush-Cheney ‘04 campaign for official White House communications. Today’s findings confirm that the accounts were used “for official purposes, such as communicating with federal agencies about federal appointments and policies.” The report adds:
Given the heavy reliance by White House officials on RNC e-mail accounts, the high rank of the White House officials involved, and the large quantity of missing e-mails, the potential violation of the Presidential Records Act may be extensive.
Some other key findings:
– RNC account use far greater than believed: Despite White House spokesperson Dana Perino’s claim that 50 White House officials used RNC email accounts “over the course of the administration,” the committee learned that at least 88 White House officials had RNC e-mail accounts.
– Bush-Cheney 04 campaign stonewalling: The committee says it may need to “issue compulsory process” to force the cooperation of the Bush-Cheney ‘04 campaign. Despite providing at least eleven White House officials with email accounts, “the campaign has unjustifiably refused” to provide the Committee with even the most basic information about the accounts, including the number of e-mails that have been preserved.
– Destroyed RNC emails may be preserved by federal agencies. The RNC has preserved only 130 e-mails sent to Karl Rove during Bush’s first term and no e-mails sent by Rove prior to November 2003. “For many other White House officials, the RNC has no e-mails from before the fall of 2006.” Several federal agencies contacted by the committee have indicated they “have preserved official communications that were destroyed by the RNC,” but others have resisted the investigation.
– Gonzales may have known about RNC account use. According to a deposition from Rove’s former assistant Susan Ralston, in 2001, then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales “may have known that White House officials were using RNC e-mail accounts for official business, but took no action to preserve these presidential records.” The committee calls for an investigation into Gonzales’ actions on this matter.
Read the full oversight committee report HERE.
UPDATE: The Gavel has several additional links. Christy Hardin Smith has additional analysis.
UPDATE II: Sen. Patrick Leahy’s (D-VT) statement:
This Administration’s penchant for secrecy and disdain for oversight seems to know no bounds. It is troubling that so many senior White House officials, including Karl Rove and his former deputy Sara Taylor, were engaging in an effort to avoid oversight and accountability by ignoring the laws meant to ensure a public record of official government business. This extensive end-run around the laws leads one to wonder what these officials wanted to hide from the public and Congress.
This report indicates that Mr. Rove and Ms. Taylor were some of the heaviest users of these RNC e-mail accounts, and both officials have been linked to a project to fire several Department of Justice prosecutors that is currently the subject of congressional investigations. Now that we know more than 100,000 of Mr. Rove’s secret e-mails have not been destroyed, I hope the White House will respond to my request for any e-mails from his account that are relevant to the Judiciary Committee’s investigation. I look forward to Ms. Taylor searching the thousands of e-mails from her account in accordance with a subpoena she was issued last week.
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Rove strikes again.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:03 pmTranslation: Obstruction of Justice.
Not that we should be surprised by that, but we should continue to demand accountability.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pmThe Bush administration has put together a vast criminal enterprise. Anyone who can’t see that by now is simply delusional.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pmOk, so if everything’s been destroyed, where’s the evidence? This is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:05 pmNow what?? OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IS A “SLAM DUNK” CASE.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:05 pmWay to go Gonzo. Is there a pile of shit anywhere that you don’t step in?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:06 pmOne of Rove’s myriad dirty tricks. Skewer that pig!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:06 pmOut with the all! The people will now sweep this government clean of Republicans, that’s clear. If one is guilty now, they’re all guilty in the eyes of the people…..all criminal “thugs”!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI can’t wait to see the massive amount of “jumping ship” of these GOP rats now. The people will be out to crucify them.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:07 pm#6 - Gonzocchio doesn’t need to step in $shit - Gonzocchio IS pure $hit.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:08 pm“Ok, so if everything’s been destroyed, where’s the evidence? This is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:05 pm”
It’s called C….O…..M…..P….U….T….E…..R………..R….E….C….O…..R…..D…..S..
Even if the file is not provided a RECORD of it still exists…..
Why are the Republicans such IDIOTS????
June 18th, 2007 at 12:08 pm4,
It’s a crime to destroy evidence that is related to a criminal investigation. The fact that the e-mails were deleted en masse is a crime in itself.
You should really educate yourself, so you can have something intelligent to say when you sit at the adults table.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:08 pmIf Gonzocchio KNEW about the illegal email accounts, then he needs to be fired on the spot and brought to justice for permitting this “high crime and misdemeanor” on his watch.
It’s also clear that the individual issuing the order to destroy these emails was either Rove, Bush, or both in which case there will be a clear case of “obstruction of justice” and the hammers of hell can now be brought down upon the necks of these two rougues.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:09 pmwill the MSM cover it that’s all I want to know ? If not then “big deal”
June 18th, 2007 at 12:09 pmLet us all do to their careers what they did to said e-mails.
DESTROY THEM!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:10 pmNow we need to know precisely “whom” issued the order to the RNC to destroy the emails. This individual will eventually be sitting in prison.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:10 pmThese guys have no respect for the America public. Their only purpose is to steal from the government and funnel it to their friends. They continually scramble to cover their tracks — like cockroaches running from the kitchen light.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:11 pmGOPcurious,
“Ok, so if everything’s been destroyed, where’s the evidence? This is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.”
If there is evidence that the e-mails were destroyed, then there is grounds for a indictment. It’s illegal to destroy that information.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:11 pm#25 They’re all “destroyed already” - their careers are history! Bush’s legacy will be that he supervised and abetted the most heinous crime spree against the People and the Constitution ever in the history of this country. Soon they’ll all be visiting plastic surgeons to alter their appearance because they will not be safe walking the streets of this country any longer. The people will speak again in 08 and will sweep out every disgusting Republican.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmWhat a bunch of deceitful lying creeps. This is front he same crowd that dons halos every morning before striding out to pose and pontificate.
The worst scoundrels and hypocrites. These committees need to stop tip-toeing around giving them time to destroy evidence.
Democrats can be such wimps!!!!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pm#18: Not if the messages were not official business. How can you prove that the alleged traffic through RNC servers was official? The lawyers are going to have a field day and you are going to lose.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThat’s right #18 and it appears that there is “evidence” that these emails were ordered to be destroyed. This is the “smoking gun” everyone was waiting for! Aha! It’s finally arrived!! Hoorah!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmNo more pussyfooting around by the Dems. They’ve got lynching evidence now.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:13 pm“Not if the messages were not official business. How can you prove that the alleged traffic through RNC servers was official? The lawyers are going to have a field day and you are going to lose.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:12 pm”
If they were sent between 8am and 8pm, then they were OFFICIAL!
If it was NOT official, then they could have waited until they got home to send out emails from their PRIVATE email accounts.
Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways…..
That’s like me trying to fight my employer for firing me because I was looking on Monster for jobs during work time. If I want to do that, then I need to do it on my own time and on my own computer equipment, not on the govt. time and UN-OFFICIAL equipment.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:16 pmPfft. If this goes to court, we’ll fight it to the Supremes and we’ve got it covered.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:16 pmThe Democrats will have to get together and see if they can get enough votes for a non-binding resolution so they can show their displeasure of the mean things the Republicans are doing.
Seriously, when are the Democrats going finally stand up and defend oure constitution?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:17 pm#24: Wrong. Clinton staff had separate computers for campaign work and official business so that they could campaign without having to leave the office.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pm“Pfft. If this goes to court, we’ll fight it to the Supremes and we’ve got it covered.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:16 pm”
I would not count on that!!!!!
It seems that many of those judges you were counting on are actually holding the law above PARTY!!!!!
If the law is on the side of these criminals, then they will win….. But the law is NOT on their side, which is why they are trying soooo hard to obstruct justice…..
June 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmKarl was only protecting our government, like Daryll said, by keeping these national secrets out of the hands of terrorist liberals.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmN - O - T - H - I - N - G - - - W - I- L - L - - - H - A - P - P - E - N - !
June 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmAssuming Bush/Cheney survive their remainder of their term without being impeached, the GOP is essentially finished as a viable political party.
While it’s true that 60% of Republicans still support this administration, in the minds of Democrats, Independents and even many Republicans, the party will be forever associated with naked corruption, abuse of power and scorn for the rule of law. Despite all the damage Bush/Cheney have done to America, completely discrediting their party will prove to be their greatest positive contribution to our country.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmI’m getting beyond impatient now. Just how much more evidence is needed before there is a call for a special prosecutor?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:20 pm“Clinton staff had separate computers for campaign work and official business so that they could campaign without having to leave the office.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:18 pm”
WRONG!!!!
They did not perform GOVT. buisness on these computers to avoid the Presidential Records Act!!!!!!
B….I…..G…………D….I….F…..F….E…..R……E….N…..C….E!!!!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:20 pmGOPcurious,
“Not if the messages were not official business. How can you prove that the alleged traffic through RNC servers was official? The lawyers are going to have a field day and you are going to lose.”
If the e-mails were sent or received using government computers, that makes it offical. That’s the law.
Plus, computer forensics will find just about anything that ever been run on a computer. But go ahead and stick your head in the dirt and pretend you can’t hear or see any evil. After all, it has been said that ignorance is bliss.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:21 pm#33: Yeah, but they still used the premises for campaign work which, strictly speaking, was illegal. So yes, Clinton did it too.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pmOk then show us the indictments.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pmOk, so if everything’s been destroyed, where’s the evidence? This is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.
Comment by GOPcurious
Only in Neoconland is destroying evidence looked on favorably. Neoconland, a conscience-free zone.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:24 pm#37: Sure. The goal is to win.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pmPfft. If this goes to court, we’ll fight it to the Supremes and we’ve got it covered.
Comment by GOPcurious
Unlike the Mafia, you neocons don’t know when to shut up. That’s why you’re all going down.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:26 pm“Yeah, but they still used the premises for campaign work which, strictly speaking, was illegal. So yes, Clinton did it too.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:23 pm”
What law was broken?????? Site the actual law….
It was not the Hatch act, as that applies to meetings held….
It does not apply to the Presidential Records Act, as that applies to OFFICIAL business…..
S…O…….W….H….A….T……..L…..A…..W……..W….A….S…….B….R….O….K….E….N????
June 18th, 2007 at 12:27 pmInvestigation Uncovers ‘Extensive Destruction’ Of RNC Emails, Violations Of Records Act
….. was that wrong…… ?
:|
June 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pmI’m so tired of hearing this from the loyal members of the right:
“they all do it, they are all crooks, nothing new”
The truth is - apathy is abound - and though I love to see Waxman marching to the sea like Sherman - it seems that most people are so fed up or so apathetic - that they are resigned to do nothing.
(yes - that was a run on sentence)
I admit, I’m tired of preaching how this oversight is valuable, how important it is, and getting the look from my peers as if I’m some fanatic or crusader.
When did the conservative view of protecting the grand document and our rights become a fanatical ideology? Wasn’t that radical thought 200+ years ago supposed to be generally accepted now?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pmto GOPcurious #25…you mean that the RWers’s OWN the SCOTUS? Who’da thunk it? You mean that the group who just stood up 7-1 for those poor li’l ol’ Wall Street bankers against the “screwed?” Why, that’s the ‘Murican way, isn’t it? Thanks…Big Tony, John, Sammy. Yeah, upholding the law. Sure…
June 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pm38,
Exactly. To a Bush Republican, the ends always justify the means, even if the means include lying to the public to start a war, issuing phony terror alerts, instituting policies of torture, rigging elections, and committing numerous felonies while in office.
Fortunately, most Americans do not share this view. This is why Bush’s approval rating is near the lowest in U.S. history.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pm#37: Sure. The goal is to win.
Comment by GOPcurious
Sometimes even when you win, you lose. But keep supporting the bullies. They’ll protect you.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pmJust look at this guy libtards, he probably smells better than any dumbocrat and you could land a 737 on that big strong cranium of mind boggling genius with its rigid shoulders. Karl simply oozes sex appeal, honesty and courage unlike the unwashed masses of libtards.
Don’t you ‘caca caper’ liertards have some fecal matter to deposit in the halls of the White House?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pmGOPcurious
“The goal is to win.”
This is not a football game dumbass.
IF it were just a game you would be ok with lying and cheating.
Well, It’s not a game, but your willing to lie and cheat and ruin every office of government and there’s someting again your ok with.
Your own disgrace.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:31 pm#21 GOPcurious
#18: Not if the messages were not official business. How can you prove that the alleged traffic through RNC servers was official? The lawyers are going to have a field day and you are going to lose.
I’m glad to see you’re curious, but you need to start paying attention. Some of the agencies turned over e-mail that were either sent from or to people in the White House, dealing with official business, but doing it on non-secure and unofficial e-mail accounts in violation of the Presidential Records Act.
Here’s how it works:
June 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pm1. Administration official sends e-mail to agency official, using gwb43.com account.
2. Agency official responds, also by gwb43.com account.
3. Administration official deletes sent e-mail and response from his PC.
4. Copies of both e-mails are still on servers. Copies are still on back-up tapes. Copies exist on server disk to be recovered, even if they were deliberately deleted from the server.
5. But, in many cases, those sent and received mails are still on the agency official’s PC. Karl Rove can throw his PC off a cliff. It won’t make a difference when the other party to the e-mail exchange still has copies. Cue “Dragnet” theme and slamming jail cell door.
#44: You’ve got it. Fortunately, most Americans don’t matter.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pm“Karl simply oozes sex appeal, honesty and courage”
Get your hand out of your pants boy!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pmCaption Contest:
“Shit, was that text ‘FLIRT’ to 55055 or was that text ‘HOTGIRLZ’ to 55055?”
June 18th, 2007 at 12:33 pm49,
I think you’ll find they matter a great deal next election day.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:34 pmBut nothing will happen because Bush has “god” on his side and any law broken by a loyal Bushie is an unimportant law. Next.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:34 pmWhat??? How could this be??? We won’t have any “records” for the Presidential Library now, will we???
June 18th, 2007 at 12:36 pmIf Bush won’t fire Gonzales, why isn’t action taken, at least, to seek to disbar him? Surely, this willful blindness to Records Act violations alone, not to mention Gonzo’s many other peccadillos, is no less compromising than some of Nifong’s!!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:36 pmD - I - D — A - N - Y - O - N - E — B - L - A - M - E — C - L - I - N - T - O - N — Y - E - T - ?
of course they did.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:37 pmRoboTroll 3100 reports:
As #35 above said, “Clinton Did It Tooâ„¢”.
And, as #25 above said, The Supremes are in our pocket, so “we’ve got it covered”.
If what we type on official computers is not “official business”, then we don’t have to preserve a record because it doesn’t fall under the Presidential Records Act. If what we type is official business but it is not typed on official computers, we avoid the Presidential Records Act. We’re Republicans, and that means that we get to have our cake and eat it too.
Does too.
As an esteemed Republican President once said, “If the President does it, that means it’s not illegal.” May we add: “as long as he’s not a Democrat”.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:37 pm“Shit, was that text ‘FLIRT’ to 55055 or was that text ‘HOTGIRLZ’ to 55055?â€
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 18, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
LMAO
Winner!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:38 pmThis is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.
Comment by GOPcurious
Than God we don’t have to discuss YOUR rabid rightie filthy fantasy, and w/ a name like “GOPcurious”, I shudder to think what that might involve…
June 18th, 2007 at 12:38 pm#38 GOPcurious
Sure. The goal is to win.
Thank you for your candor. That is exactly right, from a GOP point of view. For me, I don’t want either party to be doing this kind of thing. I want a clean government. But for GOPers, the ends justify the means. It’s always okay if it’s a Republican. And for trolls like you, this really is just a spectator sport. The GOP is your team and no matter how bad they suck, no matter how much they cheat, you’ll be cheering them on.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:38 pmCaption:
“oh ‘Berry me, on the lone prairie,
June 18th, 2007 at 12:39 pm‘neath the foundations of,
the Bush Lie-brar-eeeee…..”
When will some Richard Mellon Scaife analogue fund a Texas Project?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:40 pmYou want the truth? I know you can’t handle the truth, but here it comes. All your whining is for nothing because we’re just not going to give up the power in 2008. We will win. Always. There is no other way and nothing is going to get in the way of a permanent Republican majority. Not you, not “the People”, no-one.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pmCongressional Democrats should demand that these unscupulous tyrants explain themselves. By God produce those e-mails and testify! But of course if you can’t we’ll ask again in a few weeks, then by God we’ll demand that you voluntarily produce the information we’re needing and if you don’t we’ll ask again.
Weak kneed Democratic “leaders” need to grow a pair.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pmJust look at this guy libtards, he probably smells better than any dumbocrat
Comment by Patrick1 — June 18, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Well you’d be the expert there chief, with your nose so far up his rectum and all….
June 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pmLMAO
Winner!
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 18, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Thanks - the correct answer is FLIRT - oops.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:42 pmAhh, the sycophantic whore trolls are in full parade today. Queen bee KKKarl must have parted his cheeks and squeezed out some pheremones, the drones are swarming to his defense.
Anyone who defends secrecy and obstruction of justice because they support their party over country doesn’t deserve to live here.
What hole do these f*cks have in their psyche that they have to worship a father figure?
You are sure a pathetic bunch of pimple-faced losers trolls.
FYTITA
June 18th, 2007 at 12:42 pmKarl simply oozes sex appeal, honesty and courage unlike the unwashed masses of libtards.
Comment by Patrick1
Uh oh… ANOTHER one who appreciates the “manly odor” of a “powerful father figure”… perhaps KKKarl can go into grooming aids industry once he gets out of prison… KKKarl’s new fragrance for men, and preening little boys… “Kritalnacht”… I’m sure Patrick1 will be in line to buy some.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:43 pmyou could land a 737 on that big strong cranium
Comment by Patrick1 — June 18, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Thanks to the reinforced concrete and the runway created by his bald spot.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:44 pmuse the RICO statues now!!! Investigate the RNC as a criminal organization and kick in the door of this festering cabal of elitist fascist criminals! And just to add insult to thier injury (which they so richly deserve) use the Patriot act and the Nation Security Letters to lay bare their treasonist activities. Once convicted we can crucify the S.0.B.’s upside down for their debasement of whatever virtues people attribute to religion, cause wake up folks stole Jesus to run cover for thier personal greed and excess! Malcolm X was right and he was assinated for it…
It’s a Class War Baby!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:44 pm#66: You may ridicule us for looking up to a “father figure”, but how do you think a nation can survive in this world without a strong leader who is not afraid to use deadly - even nuclear - force when the interests (not just lives, but the economy) of the nation is threatened?
Can you see a democrat President doing something like that? I don’t. That’s why I always vote for GOP.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:45 pmDespite White House spokesperson Dana Perino’s claim that 50 White House officials used RNC email accounts “over the course of the administration,†the committee learned that at least 88 White House officials had RNC e-mail accounts.
Two very different words there when discussing e-mail accounts.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:45 pmWith each post, it’s looking more and more like GOPcurious is a reverse-troll, a liberal posing as a right-winger in order to discredit the right wing, or maybe just to stir up conflict on the boards.
I mean, come on… “we’re just not going to give up the power in 2008“?
“nothing is going to get in the way of a permanent Republican majority“?
We’re supposed to take this seriously?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:46 pm#69: Class war? That’s so 80s… you know, the last time the communists were actually taken seriously.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:46 pmDon’t you ‘caca caper’ liertards have some fecal matter to deposit in the halls of the White House?
Comment by Patrick1 — June 18, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
We would, but isn’t it all full up?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:47 pmWe will win. Always. There is no other way and nothing is going to get in the way of a permanent Republican majority. Not you, not “the Peopleâ€, no-one.
Comment by GOPcurious
“We”??? Do you honestly believe the Repubs in DC even know who you are, much less care? Talk about not handling the truth.
Oh, GOPcurious, your mommy’s looking for you. She needs her dress back. Seeing as you can’t make dime one to save your or her life, she’s got to go to her minimum wage job, the one w/ no benefits, to support you while you hide in the basement, or the garage, all day, huffing Twinkies, whilst pounding, pounding, pounding away… on your little… keyboard.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:47 pmWatch this:
http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=3954858769441262005
This is Greg Palast (investigative reporter for the BBC and author of “Armed Madhouse”) talking about the 500 emails from Karl Rove that were accidently sent to his team at the BBC. It is really very interesting. He says the story isn’t just the US Attorneys being fired as much as the voter caging and stealing the elections of 2000 and 2004 that is the real issue (and the 2008 election). That is the really illegal part of all this.
http://www.gregpalast.com/ the-goods-on-goodling-and-the-keys-to-the-kingdom/
I just want to know why nothing has been done with these emails that absolutely nail these guys.. And why these emails weren’t reported on in the USA.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmGreg writes:
“Our BBC team broke the story at the top of the nightly news everywhere on the planet — except the USA — only because America’s news networks simply refused to cover this evidence of the electoral coup d’etat that chose our President in 2004.”
use the RICO statues now!!!
Comment by Mali
I’ve saying that for months now, Mali. Welcome aboard.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmYou may ridicule us for looking up to a “father figureâ€
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Yes, we may.
And I’ll start with this.
So wouldn’t that mean this “father figure” is looking down?
At the tops of your heads….
June 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmyou could land a 737 on that big strong cranium
Comment by Patrick1
I believe that’s a symptom of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmwhen the interests (not just lives, but the economy) of the nation is threatened?
Comment by GOPcurious
BUT THE ECONOMY??? Damn, we can’t have the lives of the people put above the interests of the rich now, can we?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:52 pmYou want the truth?
Comment by GOPspurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Well that would be a nice change, but I think the federal investigators will take care of that.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:53 pmAs far as computer records go, the Reps learned their lesson during Iran-Contra-Gate. The PROFS system Ollie used was backed up and the backups were used to retreive what Ollie has tried to hide.
As far as finding emails today, that depends on whether the mail server is backed up. My last company never backed up their mail server or stored old messages and received a $2,000,000 fine from the SEC. I assume the GOP has wised up and knows how to hide their tracks better than they use to.
As far as any other records, you would have to look at the receiving server, although I am assuming all of the emails stayed within the GOP email server.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmKarl simply oozes sex appeal, honesty and courage unlike the unwashed masses of libtards.
Comment by Patrick1
It amazes me that Patrick1 actaully seems to find the Pillsbury Doughboy of politics sexy…
June 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmyou could land a 737 on that big strong cranium
Comment by Patrick1
I wouldn’t mind TRYING to land a 737 on that cranium.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmSometimes even when you win, you lose. But keep supporting the bullies. They’ll protect you.
Comment by shane
I’m sure he believes his loyal ass is covered. He’ll be disappointed….
June 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmyou could land a 737 on that big strong cranium — Comment by Patrick1
And, if Bush and Rove received multiple warnings of the impending jet airliner headed towards Rove’s head they would be incapable of taking appropriate action to prevent it.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI am assuming all of the emails stayed within the GOP email server.
Comment by SAM I AM
Right, which in turn was securely hidden away in the Orifice of the VP…
June 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmKarl Rove is smiling because he can do what ever he wants and the American people are behind him. He even has the puppet Americans attacking the Democrats when then try to stop his criminal acts. Americans don’t care that our troops were used and lied to. Now if their is a man who can get the religious church, fixed voting machines and deny votes to minorities then lets face Karl Rove could be the next and final President. Only honest Americans see Karl Rove as a criminal others see him as well ok. As Karl Rove said the American people can be told anything and believe it, He proved his point to be correct. The American people demanded that a corrupt President name Richard Nixon be impeached but now allow the crime team of Bush/Cheney/Rove/Gonzales to move forward with out saying a word.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:57 pmThis corruption makes me ill however, I don’t think anything will come of it. Don’t we have enough information for an independent prosecutor? These constant ring-around-the-rosey hearings and testimonies to Congress are beginning to look like exactly what Bush said it was: Political Theater. Believe me, I’d love to see Bush & Co. hang for everything they have done but it is beginning to look like all the Democrats want to do is make Bush and the Republicans look as bad as possibly so they can win the next election in a landside. If that is their only plan, I fear for what will happen when they do win.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:59 pmIm gonna bet that Patrick1 is a parody.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmHere is one of the emails with some of the caging lists that were sent to Palast:
June 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmhttp://www.flickr.com/ photo_zoom.gne?id=413062748&size=o
But then, maybe his mommy does that for him.
Comment by spit take
I doubt seriously that even Pattie1’s mom wants to touch that keyboard, unless she’s wearing rubber gloves and carrying a big bottle of Lysol…
June 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pm“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it … always.”
-Mahatma Gandhi
June 18th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI’m sure he believes his loyal ass is covered.
Comment by Zooey
Right, by extra strength Depends…
June 18th, 2007 at 1:04 pmWe keep hearing that this country is headed towards a constitutional crisis in the event that Congress presses on Gonzo gate, attempts to force White House official’s testimony or confronts Bush and the Republilcans on Iraq.
Sorry, we already are in the midst of the most serious constitutional crisis in the history of this country. Nothing less than the future of democracy is at stake. The GOP elite are seeking to impose a one party state on this nation. A state in which the combination of corporate (and the wealthy), extreme religious right and corrupt politicians control the country. The rule of law, democratic tradition and the separation of powers have long since been trashed by the Republican party.
1. The GOP has effectively corrupted the political process through the introduction of corporate money as a controlling factor in the political process. The GOP has always been the party of the rich. The GOP has always outraised the Democrats by relying upon corporate donations and contributions of the wealthy. However, the GOP has consistently raised the amount necessary to campaign to obscene levels. Thus, even serious Democratic politicians must rely upon contributions that come with serious strings attached. The Republicans attempted to formalize this process through the K Street Project.
2. The GOP has used the examples of the NAZI’s, Communsts, Fascists of Italy and the Baath Pary to make party support as a necessary prerequisite to participation in the government. The corruption of career civil service positions in the military, DOJ and other cabinet departments was specifically designed to turn the government into an arm of “THE PARTY”. Note that even participation in nonpolitical foreign conferences has been based on party support. Remember that communications conference in which a leading industry company was excluded from attending as a US rep specifically because they had not contributed to the GOP.
3. The religious right has been used to serve as the opiate for the masses, i.e. to turn even religion into a party tool. Look at the influence that has been given to the religious right in terms of sex education and the fight against AIDS in the international arena. The programs reflect an extreme religious bias, have been shown to be ineffective (if not counterproductive) and have been carried out by groups with no qualification other than their faith. Turning over social programs to religious groups also provides them with an excellent platform to recruit additional members. Indeed, if your freedom from jail was based upon completing a rehabilitation program run by a right wing organization, would you feel pressure to conform? What about better jail conditions based upon entering a religious based program? Evaluation and placement from a religious based jobs program?
4. GOP Curious reflects the type of “mob” mentality that goes with the corrupt, one party state. Note the over reliance on the ability of a prosecutor to provide proof after the evidence has been destroyed.
A. The administration has already admitted that outside organizations were used for official e-mails.
B. The administration admits that many officials have little e-mail traffic on the official system. However, these were the same people who had RNC accounts.
C. The law is clear as to the requirement to maintain official records.
This is not a criminal case. This involves whether their is adequate evidence that impeachable offenses have occurred. The destruction of evidence in light of clear legal requirements permits the assumption that it was done to hide adverse information. The evidence of suspicious and potentially criminal activity in such areas as illegal surveillance, violations of the Hatch Act, improper attempts to influence criminal litigation, violation of civil service laws and corruption on the part of White House and Cabinet level appointees and their key assistants permits an inference that the documents were destroyed to obstruct justice. In a civil context, it is sufficient to shift the burden to the administration to provide evidence that there was no improper intent.
It is time to purge the government of these individuals. It is time that the administration and its GOP lackies are treated as the vile criminals that they are. It will be necessary to purge the government of civil servants improperly appointed. They need to be treated as were NAZI’s and Baathists.
The real danger comes from ones such as GOP Curious who believes that improper actions by prior administrations (Democratic and Republican) serve as a license for wholesale corruption in the present. YOU ARE WRONG. WINNING DOES NOT JUSTIFY ANY TACTIC.
GOP Curious is the enemy. GOP Curious is a treasonous traitor to this country. He as admitted it himself through his posts. There is a place at GTMO for such traitors.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pmActually, what KKKarl’s really doing in that photo is reading the latest text message from MAF54…
“Hot new page lounging around the pool in his Speedos… last one in is a lame duck official…”
June 18th, 2007 at 1:06 pmContact Representative Waxman here and let him know that we want IMPEACHMENT NOW!
Below is a copy of my message - just for inspiration.
Representative Waxman,
It is quite clear from the conclusions put forth by the Committee’s investigation into the use of RNC email accounts that there has been a covert and concerted effort to subvert our Constitution by those in the White House. It is time that drastic measures are taken to ensure that no further damage is done to our country. It is time to begin impeachment hearings for everyone involved in the initial subversion and subsequent cover-up. You must compel Speaker Pelosi to initiate impeachment proceedings. Allowing more time for a criminal cover-up only serves the interests of the guilty and not the American people.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pmThere is a place at GTMO for such traitors.
Comment by JMOHR
Be careful, JMHOR. You’re playing right into GOPcurious’ sex fantasies w/ talk like that.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pmWill someone more familiar with the board make a list of the troll aliases for submission to TP site management so they might start blocking this disruptive bullshit, please?!?!
As someone noted above, the KKK machine is in high gear because the game is over once the RNC email database reveals things like election fraud, 911 cover-up, the gay mafia in the GOP, etc.
When it rains, it pours!!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:10 pmPoor ol’ Karl, in that picture, he looks like he is doing some frantic on-line shopping to get his super giant-size Preparation H and his years supply of knee pads ready for when they come to take him to the GOP Funhouse.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pm> GOP Curious is the enemy. GOP Curious is a treasonous traitor to this country.
GOPCurious is nothing but a deluded kid connecting to “The Intarnets” from Dad’s basement.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pmCaption contest;
“Why aren’t my launch codes working?”
June 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pm#73 Damn Right a class war. You think the top 1% give a flying F@$K about the other 99%!?! It’s clear your programming is complete as all your capable of is reguritating the crap the RNC has decided your capable of understanding. It’s the middle class who’s getting screwed by these b@stards and footing the bill ta’boot! It is unbelieveable to me that you 28%ers (dead enders as DICK would say) haven’t figured out that your in the same boat as the vast majority of! Flippin Moron’s! So quit messin up the boat with your sh!t and smell the cat food!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pmGOPcurious yellow,
I don’t ridicule you for looking up to a father figure, I despise you for it.
You blind faith defenders of Bush are exactly like a beaten wife who defends her husband against claims that he is raping their 12 year old daughter. Despite the evidence of bloody sheets and screams in the night, she defends Daddy because “He’s a good man, he wouldn’t do that!”
Bush and his cabal are raping and defiling our country while you pukes defend him.
Sure he’s a good man, just ask KKKarl.
BTW, I think you are channeling one of Adolph’s supporters, he was a father figure and a strong leader.
Pull your head out of your ass (or whoever’s ass you have it shoved in) and defend America instead of America’s enemies in the WHite House.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pmGOPcuriosity:
Keep on posting! Yer’ a freekin’ hoot, and the best thing that can happen for liberals: A neocon troll who has come unhinged to the point of panic, forgotten his talking points, and let the truth slip out!
Is this parody? Ha!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:14 pmmake that #74… # 73 my bad!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:16 pmnothing is going to get in the way of a permanent Republican majority. Not you, not “the Peopleâ€, no-one.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Someone better tell the 110′th Congress then.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pmIt’s time (long past) for both the Senate and House Judiciary and Oversight Committees to petition the court for a special master, subpoena and impound the machines before any Republican officials do anymore tinkering with the machines in their effort to find more emails.
I don’t know what is taking Democrats so long to have done this. They should have instantly gone to court back in March when it was first discovered that the White House was using a “double-bookkeeping system” for their communications.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:20 pmIs it possible to use emails from Rove accidently sent to the wrong email address as evidence in such an important investigation??
June 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pmOk!
When will we see lots and lots of jail time?
June 18th, 2007 at 1:22 pmImagine if Bill Clinton’s administration used an alternate e-mail account. And imagine if they stonewalled the investigation into those accounts.
Do you think CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN or FOX might mention it? (They’d break into regular programming with URGENT NEWS and there’d be 24/7 coverage on the Cable Networks)
The Corporate Media obviously likes deregulation and tax cuts more than they like democracy. Their silence tells you everything you need to know. Again. And Again.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmIf this does not scream Impeachment, our leaders yes both parties, it is the people to bring down this house!!!
When is this shit going to end, when they ALL are Impeached.
Impeachment is the way to hold those total accountability and the time has arrived!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:27 pmSomeone needs to write a book “How-to-buy-a-Democracy for Dummies”, and lay out every single step they have taken.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pmIs it possible to use emails from Rove accidently sent to the wrong email address as evidence in such an important investigation??
Comment by JG
You mean like the “official policy” e-mails KKKarl accidentally sent to “HotBoyz.com” and “SpeedosUnlimited.com”??
June 18th, 2007 at 1:30 pmPlease stop with the comparison at any level with what or maybe Bill Clinton did or may have done!
This current administration is beyond any comparison with any past administration.
The crap that just keeps giving….But when is accountability going to be really used?
Oh, remember last week when the White house counsel started beefing up the legal defense? Well, they must have known this story was going to hit the media and with a backlash at that!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pm1oldlady wrote @ 1.31 pm:
Please stop with the comparison at any level with what or maybe Bill Clinton did or may have done!
RoboTroll 3100 responds:
But it’s all we’ve got.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:36 pmTime to get out the handcuffs. I’m sure we can arrange for people like Karl to “resist” as well.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pmdestruction of the records violates the law. Arrest them all NOW. Get them out of our WH and Justice Dept! Take that lying sack Lurita Doan with you.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pmAnd tell that scumbag Griles NO he must DO HIS JAIL TIME like Libby will. They all belong in prison and so do their supporters. Republican supporters are aiding and abetting CRIMINALS
#119: Heh. Typical hysterical liberal. That’s what I really despise in you.
This shrill, hysterical voice that demands drastic. dramatic actions for the sake of action. Always screaming about how CRIMINAL some people are and how they must DO JAIL TIME for offending his or her liberal sensibilities. All the demands for purity and purges. You’re always shooting blue on blue. Pelosi and Reid can’t win your favor ecause you’re demanding something that’s impossible. They can’t stop the war. They can’t suddenly implement a new foreign policy. Yet you idiots expect them to do that and when they can’t you’ll abandon them. Morons.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:43 pmGOPcurious yellow is living proof that trolls live on a diet of Bush’s smag and KKKarl’s dingleberries.
Don’t ever question authority little guy, just shut up and take it in the a$$.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pmThe Gettybush Address
Four score and seven million lost Emails ago, our forebushers brought forth on this continent a new regime, conceived in lunacy and dedicated to the proposition that all Bush crime family members are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil discourse, testing whether that regime or any regime, so constipated and so daffy, can long endure…
June 18th, 2007 at 1:52 pmDon’t ever question authority little guy, just shut up and take it in the a$$.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:52 pmDamn straight. And the existential question for you, me and - in the future - for our children is, do you want to be just one of the “little people”, serfs, or someone who has a patron who takes care of you. I know it sounds old fashioned, but the feudal system is making a comeback, you know. As far as I go, I’m going to be one of the better-offs than a serf. Maybe your misguided liberal empathy will lead you elsewhere.
#46 “Karl simply oozes sex appeal,” Say what you will about the investigation, but come on Karl Rove by any standard is a troll. Fat and balding with no discernable personallity; how did G.Q. miss this model American.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:53 pm“Impeachment” … “felonies” … “smoking gun” … bulls**t! NOTHING is going to happen and I think we all know it. Crime really does pay, especially if those who have the power to do something about it (the Dems) … don’t.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:54 pm“As far as I go, I’m going to be one of the better-offs than a serf. Maybe your misguided liberal empathy will lead you elsewhere.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 1:52 pm”
Until the Stock market crashes…… Then you’ll be in the same boat as the “little people”……
Then what will you do???
Probably cry that your great leader failed you and you should have listened to the people who were correct to begin with…..
At the rate we are selling out America, YOU won’t have anything to survive on in 10 years….. So thank your great leader Bush for turning America into a 3RD WORLD COUNTRY!!!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:57 pmWow, talk about regressing! Fuedal systems are staging a comeback? That does explain a lot though. When I use the term King George, I use it in a mocking, derogatory way. Little did I know that you sycophants really do worship your Dear Leader and look to him to protect you.
Pitiful little cowards.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:58 pmSeptember 18th 2007:
“The New York Times reports that John Doe, a heretofore unknown employee of the RNC, will be charged with obstruction of justice. Mr. Doe, who some call, ‘our tech dude’ faces charges of up to 3 years in Federal prison if found guilty.”
Oh yes, justice WILL be served.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:59 pmThese crooks and liars have taken the Nixon Watergate scandal to heart–destroy evidence and claim faulty memories. What can they do to us then, we will be safe in our crimes. I always felt that the Republican party did not suffer the proper consequences after Watergate, after all the party puts up the candidate, through its processes, and vouches for that person. The Republican party should have gone the way of the Whigs after the disgrace of Watergate, but, instead, they llived on to give us Watergate squared, with W et al.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pmAny 1st year IT student knows that deleting emails does not destroy them. Any computer operation run with the minimum amount of professionalism does backups at least daily. We went through this with Watergate.
GET THE BACKUPS!
June 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pmComment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
I can’t believe what I just read.
Our Founding fathers fought and died to secure a future for this nation that was better than that.
By openly advocating a return to such savagery, you declare yourself a traitor to this country.
Better hope that the feudalism you purport to embrace so much doesn’t come to exist, for there are usually a lot more serfs than there are lords and vassals, and from what I’ve seen, you don’t make the cut.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:02 pmHere is more to the story of the missing emails, the caging votes of those who decided to serve their country in Iraq and Karl’s plant in Arkannsas, who’s since resigned (it’s really quite ingenius in a diaabolical kind of way).
http://www.gregpalast.com/index.php :-)
June 18th, 2007 at 2:04 pmAMDOCS or COMVERS can retrieve those emails - let’s just ask our Israeli “friends” who use these front companies (which have exclusive contracts with out U.S. law enforcement agencies to tap our electronic communications) to use their “maintenance back-doors” to find those “missing” emails. Hell, they illegally monitor all of America’s communications as it is to give the Israeli lobby more control over us - we know they have the emails.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:07 pmIf the RNC has to defend this mess all the way to the SC, then it will bankrupt them. And nothing could be better, going into an election year. Bring it on.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:12 pm“Impeachment†… “felonies†… “smoking gun†… bulls**t! NOTHING is going to happen and I think we all know it. Crime really does pay, especially if those who have the power to do something about it (the Dems) … don’t.
If Nancy Pelosi was Norman Pelosi (and just another white male Speaker of the House, second in the line of presidential succession), I suspect that impeachment proceedings would have already begun. They probably would have been over and we’d have the first Italian-American President of the United States, President Pelosi.
The first woman president of the United States
won’tcan’t happen through impeachment. That’s only going to happen through a general election.As is typical in politics, nobody talked about it directly at the time, or confronted Pelosi before the midterm elections when she said that if Democrats take control over Congress, there wouldn’t be any impeachment of Bush and Cheney. Had it been talked about (that impeachment of Bush and Cheney means the Speaker of the House becomes President, and if a woman is Speaker, impeachment is a no-go), I am sure that voters would have called their representatives offices and said, “Then don’t vote for Pelosi as Speaker.”
We traded impeaching Bush and Cheney for having the first woman Speaker of the House of Representatives.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:16 pmGOPcurious,
It’s very odd that those on the Right who proclaim god, Country, and Family all seem to look the other way when circumstantial evidence of legal shenanigans by this Administration continue unabated. As you know, the WH has already admitted in several daily press briefings that millions of emails were “lost”. Of course, any electronic forensic expert will tell you that, short of eliminating every computer and server involved in the data handshake that is email, partial to complete records are never truly “lost”. In fact, there’s a good chance that complete records can be retrieved with adequate investigation. Furthermore, the fact that these messages were exchanged via RNC servers virtually eliminates the claim of executive privilege. So, we have grounds for investigation, precedent for investigation, and admissions supporting the continuation of an investigation.
In the words of one from your side “It’s a slam dunk!”
June 18th, 2007 at 2:17 pmGOPcurious, you’re obviously retarded, so I will not take you too seriously. I have degrees in history and classics, which means I have studied the western period from 509 BCE - 2007 CE pretty closely. What has happened during this administration is unprecedented: The Supreme Court placing a president in office over the popular people’s vote, well documented voter fraud during the last two elections, pre-emptive war based upon well documented lies (as the newly released intelligence briefs and Pentagon papers leave no doubt of), illegal wiretapping of US citizens, retracting habeas corpus… I am not going to list all the Bush indiscretions, because, we would be here all day, and it’s just not worth the effort. That you characterize these as, “offenses of liberal sensibilities,” while calling people idiots and morons, is hysterical. As an individual, you are a ridiculous joke. As an indicator of many American’s sentiments, you are a symbol of National tragedy. I will call the Democrats on their inadequacies just as I call this administration on its corruption and crimes. This is because I am not rooting for a football team,Follow me closely GOPcurious, I am demanding to be represented in my Democracy. Am I going too fast for you GOPcurious? Go back to school son. Special Olympics trophies only give you a burst of fulfillment, get yourself a mind.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:18 pmThe Senate’s theofascists should be considered ripe for impeachment, as they have clearly been willfull partners-accessories-in Bushist crimes against the Republic and world community.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/congratulations.html
Perhaps an example or two will compel their ranks to re-examine the moral desert between their ears.
Obstruction by those believing in a unitary executive are nothing less than subversive traitors using the federalist facade. Our democracy should not nurture it’s own destruction through acts committed by these ultra-antiAmericans.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/american_fascist_mind.html
June 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pmGreat point, Maeven. Wish I’d thought of that. So what is the compromise going to be if we try to have the first woman or African American president?
June 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pm#137: With an attitude like that, it’s not likely that you will be given any representation in the coming world order.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#129-I always felt that the Republican party did not suffer the proper consequences after Watergate, after all the party puts up the candidate, through its processes, and vouches for that person. The Republican party should have gone the way of the Whigs after the disgrace of Watergate, but, instead, they llived on to give us Watergate squared, with W et al.
This isn’t just the same party (Republican); these are the same people who were in the Nixon administration. (If you want an interesting look at this chapter of our history, Watergate, the Ford years, and beyond, read John Nichols’ book, “Dick: The Man Who Is President.”) And in between Watergate and now, there was Iran-Contra.
After Nixon resigned and with the war in Vietnam over, we on the left hung up our protest signs, and went back to our real lives, trusting the republic was safe again. Republicans didn’t go back to real life. They plotted, planned, and brooded (much like an insurgency after the U.S. military invades and occupies a country). What is happening now is the result of 30 years of incremental steps by people on a mission (and with huge chips on their shoulders).
June 18th, 2007 at 2:34 pmAs has been pointed out, Palast reports that the real story of the emails is not so much the attorney firings as the theft of the 2004 election:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4594
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060407R.shtml
This is a big story. Conyers is on it, or so we hope.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:35 pmGreat point, Maeven. Wish I’d thought of that. So what is the compromise going to be if we try to have the first woman or African American president?
Comment by weasel — June 18, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
They have already told us. More of the same.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:37 pm#131: And as the history shows, the serfs can be managed unless mistakes are made. I’m quite happy to serve my masters in return for a life worth of living. What you choose is up to you, of course. I couldn’t care less.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pmIsn’t this why Bush hired RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie recently…to shield him from possible subpoenas in this case? Now, as an “adviser” to the President, will Bush claim “Executive Privelege” when the congressional investigating committee seeks to learn what Gillespie is sure to know?
June 18th, 2007 at 2:39 pmSo what is the compromise going to be if we try to have the first woman or African American president?
It’s going to have to happen by a vote of the people, in a general election. The “first” anyway. But it will never happen (the first of anything - woman, black, gay, Asian-American, Hispanic, Jewish, etc., for president) by a default mechanism unless it happens through some catastrophe (like everyone ahead in the line of succession dies).
June 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pmBut it will never happen
June 18th, 2007 at 2:44 pmYou’ve got it right there.
Does anybody take this GOPcurious guy serious? He sounds like a little Rove minion. I hope he doesn’t believe that his ideals represent even a small minority of anybody in this country.
I’d like you to know GOP, that if the time ever came where I had to die fighting for freedom or serve my masters in return for a life worth of living, that there would be no hesitation by me to fight my masters. You should be frightened.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pmI hope he doesn’t believe that his ideals represent even a small minority of anybody in this country.
What made you think I’d believe anything like that. I’m supporting something that would be extremely unpopular but - because it is existentially necessary for this country and myself - I support it. I don’t care what a minority or even a majority in this country cares about. Founding fathers? Pfft. Dead and gone. We write the history. We decide what is good and bad.
In this day and age the will of the people really is irrelevant.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:50 pmBefore this mess is over, we shall find out that the Bush years will make the Nixon era look positively angelic. Every day, some new probable criminal activity is uncovered. This administration, no doubt, adopted “The King Can Do No Wrong” philosophy. The legacy of this President includes many disasters. Among then: the fact that he started a life long war in the Middle East, he left office with loads of crap still in play for the next president to fix, he personally is responsible for the displacement of millions on Middle East citizens, he demonstrated a total lack of adherence to the law and most of all, he tried to shred the Constitution with his POW nightmare and he politicized every level of the Civil Service System. In eight short years he has brought untold shame on our the USA name among the nations of the world.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:52 pmWow GOP - You, my friend, should go for a psych consult. Your grandiose beliefs and disconnection from reality cause me to be genuinely concerned for your mental health. A serious question - Does schizophrenia run in the family? If so, I’m not kidding, go get checked out.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:56 pmThe point that I’m trying to make is that if we really want to impeach Bush and Cheney, one of two things have to happen:
1) We have to start chatting up Nancy Pelosi for President, and loudly, or,
2) Pelosi needs to resign as Speaker, at which point members of the House of Representatives would elect a new Speaker from among themselves while realizing that person is in all likelihood going to be the next President of the United States.
Do you see that happening? I don’t, but as an interesting exercise, who in that body would you like to see as President? And how likely is your pick to be the pick of those in the House?
June 18th, 2007 at 2:57 pmThe only good republican is a dead republican.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pm