ThinkFast: June 18, 2007
ThinkFast: June 18, 2007
“The Army has no PTSD center at Walter Reed,” the Washington Post reports in a new expose, “and its psychiatric treatment is weak compared with the best PTSD programs the government offers. Instead of receiving focused attention, soldiers with combat-stress disorders are mixed in with psych patients who have issues ranging from schizophrenia to marital strife.”
In Iraq’s Diyala province, U.S. soldiers are willing to risk teaming up with Sunni militias to fight insurgent groups. Ali al-Adeeb, a prominent Shiite lawmaker, said the U.S. is “trusting people who have previously attacked American forces and innocent people. They are trusting people who are loyal to the regime of Saddam Hussein.”
A new report by CREW documents seventy-two members of the House of Representatives who have spent $5.1 million in campaign funds to pay relatives or their relatives’ companies or employers during the past six years. While the practice is not illegal, CREW hopes to spearhead a public debate “leading to changes in existing law to end these abuses.”
Fallout from the U.S. attorney scandal is “starting to hit the department in federal courtrooms around the country.” Defense lawyers are “raising questions about the motives of government lawyers who have brought charges against their clients,” and “are citing the furor over the U.S. attorney dismissals as evidence that their cases may have been infected by politics.”
“A federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., has heard evidence about a remodeling project at Sen. Ted Stevens’ (R-AK) home as part of a burgeoning investigation into corruption in Alaska.”
On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee will take up “a major reversal of energy tax policies,” legislation that would “raise about $14 billion from oil companies over 10 years and would give about the same amount of money on new incentives for solar power, wind power, cellulosic ethanol and numerous other renewable energy sources.”
“Seven children were killed in a U.S.-led coalition airstrike targeting suspected al-Qaida militants in eastern Afghanistan, a coalition statement said Monday. The strike came hours after the deadliest insurgent attack since the Taliban fell in 2001.”
White House loyalists have begun arguing for a Libby pardon. “[S]everal Republicans, who sense a movement in Libby’s favor, said a more likely possibility might be a presidential commutation — a reduction or elimination of Libby’s 2½-year federal prison sentence.
Robert Novak writes that Bush plans to go on a “veto offensive.” Bush has pledged to veto the homeland security appropriations bill. After that, “Bush next plans vetoes of the energy-water and interior-environment bills.” Novak predicts Bush’s vetoes will “trigger an epochal political struggle in the months ahead.”
And finally: For Father’s Day, First Lady Laura Bush gave the President “several ties she purchased during their recent trip to Europe,” and his daughters “gave him a CD they had made for him to listen to while exercising.” President Bush also “squeezed in a bike ride at his ranch” and “spoke to his father, former President George H.W. Bush, over the phone.”
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“It’s disgusting that people are still obsessed with Gotti and the mob,…They should be obsessed with that mob in Washington. They have 3,000 deaths on their hands…Every time I watch the news and I hear of another death,…it sickens me.”
- Victoria Gotti while visting the tomb of John Gotti on the fifth anniversary of his death.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:11 amSeven children were killed in a U.S.-led coalition airstrike targeting suspected al-Qaida militants in eastern Afghanistan
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I would not be surprised if many consider these children nothing more than “undeveloped terrorists” who should be preemptively targeted. While I want the U.S. to be going after al-Qaida it seems that we could be more precise and deliberate about it so that the innocent are not “collateral damage”.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:15 am…”cases may have been infected by politics”???? How about the entire government of this country INFECTED BY POLITICS?? Now that’s more like it!
June 18th, 2007 at 9:18 amI’m really confused again. The rethuglicans are screaming for higher minimum sentences with no exceptions for anyone. On the other hand, they want some special treatment for libby. What is really the story? And what movement in libby’s favor are they talking about? Judge Walton? w? Fitzgerald?
June 18th, 2007 at 9:20 amObama Says He’ll Use Force Unilaterally to Protect “Vital Interests”
By David Swanson, 6-14-07
…”I will not hesitate to use force, unilaterally if necessary, to protect the American people or our vital interests whenever we are attacked or imminently threatened. We must also consider using military force in circumstances beyond self-defense….”
…Obama (also) indicates that Iran and North Korea are nations he believes the United States should consider attacking. To his credit, Obama advocates talking first. But the option of unilaterally attacking in the name of “vital interests” is one he explicitly keeps open… And he goes a step beyond Bush-Cheney doctrine by indicating that he will dispense with the pretense of self-defense.
It may be quaint in this day and age to point out that this is to advocate open criminality, that wars of aggression are crimes under international and US law. Yet, somehow I can’t help thinking this is important. No matter what noble interests a war is justified with, no matter how inclusive the coalition that supports a war, if the war is not fought in self-defense or with UN Security Council authorization it is illegal. And it is illegal for good reason: war is far more horrible than almost any wrong it can be used to right.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:22 amUpon vetoing all of the Democrat lead bills, and ignoring the will of the people who elected those Democrats (Dems and Real Republicans – you know, NOT the NeoCons), soon everybody will be calling for Bush’s head. If he is to be impeached, the push is going to have to come from those conservative Republicans, and already, the more moderate ones are getting restless. My conservative father-in-law has defended many of his past actions, but recently given up trying to defend him and has even more recently turned from simply not supporting him to objecting to many of his actions.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:22 amHere we go. Smart lawyers. I’d hammer this point at trial, and then appeal a conviction should the trial judge not go for the politicization angle. Hopefully, judges will understand the Constitution and the “trouble with being Alberto” better than the DoJ. Taint is taint, no matter the source ot the substance.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:24 am“White House loyalists have begun arguing for a Libby pardon. “[S]everal Republicans, who sense a movement in Libby’s favor, said a more likely possibility might be a presidential commutation — a reduction or elimination of Libby’s 2½-year federal prison sentence.”
Excellent proposal. It would allow the White House to acknowledge that Libby is guilty, yet ensures that tax-payer dollars are being used more efficiently to house violent, more aggressive criminals. No man’s sentence should be determined on account of partisan bickering from the Left.
Not that it’ll be considered, but lefties, you should be ashamed of yourselves over your foul treatment and awful wishful thinking of this civil human being. In sentencing terms, I hope this splats right in your face as the Duke case did.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:27 amAnd finally: For Father’s Day, First Lady Laura Bush gave the President “several ties she purchased during their recent trip to Europe,†and his daughters “gave him a CD they had made for him to listen to while exercising.†President Bush also “squeezed in a bike ride at his ranch†and “spoke to his father, former President George H.W. Bush, over the phone.â€
How does anyone justify giving gifts to fathers who raised a pair of useless bimbos and another that gave such little guidance to his son , that he became the worst president in US history ?
June 18th, 2007 at 9:30 amNot that it’ll be considered, but lefties, you should be ashamed of yourselves over your foul treatment and awful wishful thinking of this civil human being. In sentencing terms, I hope this splats right in your face as the Duke case did.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
If we let all the nonviolent drug offenders out of prison, there would be plenty of room for nonviolent perjurers like Libby. You’re absolutely right; priorities are screwed up.
Let out the dope dealers and let the prisons fill with criminals intent on destroying American freedom and democracy. Right on!
June 18th, 2007 at 9:31 am…and his daughters “gave him a CD they had made for him to listen to while exercising.â€
I would have led off the compilation with “Everybody Wants to Rule the World” followed by either “Dogs of War” or “Lies.”
June 18th, 2007 at 9:32 amObama embraced the Chimpy doctrine of preemptive war.
Obama is a scumbag.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:32 am“They are trusting people who are loyal to the regime of Saddam Hussein.â€
-Is it too late to put that regime back in power and get out? Oh, right. They hung him.
On the seven children killed today in Afghanistan…were they part of the culture of life? Somebody please ask Mitt Romney.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:32 am#6 In my local paper, there was an article about “registered Republicans” switching party affiliation – I believe that the longer Chimpy stays in office, the more Republicans will jump ship. Let’s face it: Only one without a logical mind, devoid of spirituality, ignorant of karma, with a room temperature IQ, and without the ability to reason would still support a flagging GOP whose chicanery is being discovered and outed daily. It’s a syndrome of “GOP SCANDAL DU JOUR” and who would choose to align themselves any longer with a group of pariahs, sycophants, yes men, thugs, liars and perjurers????
The Independent Party is growing by leaps and bounds according to this article. Is it any wonder????
I believe that a “dyed in the brain” Rethug would move to Independent before admitting themselves to the Democratic Party….It’s the “limbo move” for them before doing so.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:36 am“If we let all the nonviolent drug offenders out of prison, there would be plenty of room for nonviolent perjurers like Libby. You’re absolutely right; priorities are screwed up.
Let out the dope dealers and let the prisons fill with criminals intent on destroying American freedom and democracy. Right on!”
Comment by gummitch
When taking advice on formulating even a half-decent and quasi-symmetrical response, you may want to consider asking someone other than your mother, fruitpie.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:37 am#12 The jury is still out for me on Obama. I really don’t like what I see in him and his ability to lead us on a wild goose chase when answering a simple question. His methodology is quite suspect as far as I am concerned. Having said that, what galls me even more about Obama is that he didn’t even have the courtesy and respect of his elected position to “show up” for the cloture vote last week.
This “no show” by Biden, Dodd and Obama was a very SERIOUS MISTAKE. This next election will distill down to the candidate whom the people feel they can trust to do the job. Clearly, these three Dems and their infamous “no show” doesn’t reinforce the fact that they will be trusted to do what they are elected to do.
After all, campaigning was more important to Obama, Biden, and Dodd than doing their job in the senate (for which we pay them). Not a good signal at all!
June 18th, 2007 at 9:39 amListen to the Repuke troll on Libby.
Waah! Waaaah! Waaaah!
Somebody call a Waaah-mbulance for the widdle crybaby.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:39 am#13 It’s clear now that the Iraqis have voiced preference for the regime of Saddam over our occupation and the destruction of their country. Granted, Saddam was a violent dictator but he’s been replaced by what??? Another violent dictator?? The people there think so. Besides, it’s been shown that AQ was never permitted in Saddam’s Iraq – something which clearly is not occurring today. The country’s full of them.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:41 amgummitch
I think your mother is brilliant, so keep asking her advice.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:41 amFCC clears TV stations in license challenges over election coverage
June 14, 2007, By ROBERT FEDER Sun-Times Columnist
Nine television stations in Chicago are off the hook despite complaints about inadequate election coverage.
On Wednesday, the Federal Communications Commission turned down a petition to deny the stations’ license renewals filed by a media reform group.
Stations targeted by Chicago Media Action were CBS-owned WBBM-Channel 2; NBC-owned WMAQ-Channel 5 and WSNS-Channel 44; ABC-owned WLS-Channel 7; Tribune Co.-owned WGN-Channel 9; Weigel-owned WCIU-Channel 26; Fox-owned WFLD-Channel 32 and WPWR-Channel 50, and Pax-owned WCPX-Channel 38.
All were cited for allegedly failing to air sufficient coverage of state and local elections in 2004.
In rejecting the claim, the FCC said it had “very little authority to interfere with a licensee’s selection and presentation of news and editorial programming.”
June 18th, 2007 at 9:43 amThis is Joshua Partlow’s second installment in the WaPo.
Our troops don’t trust these Sunni partisans, why do our commanders?
“BAGHDAD, July 17 — Shiite and Kurdish officials expressed deep reservations on Sunday about the new U.S. military strategy of partnering with Sunni Arab groups to help defeat the militant organization al-Qaeda in Iraq.”
Of course Shiite and Kurdish officials are going to be pissed? What’s news about that?
June 18th, 2007 at 9:46 amAnd what the hell’s with the date on this article?
Who could have predicted…
June 18th, 2007 at 9:48 amDefense lawyers are “raising questions about the motives of government lawyers who have brought charges against their clients,â€
Ok, put your hands down now.
Geez.
And finally, Bush will become known as the “Spite Veto” president.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:49 amOh, and the chymp who would be emperor.
“First Lady Laura Bush gave the President “several ties……..”
June 18th, 2007 at 9:50 amand then proceeded to show him how to tie them all together…..
The US Deputy Secretary of State reportedly planned the attack on the holy Shia shrines in Samarra to help topple the Iraqi government.
I don’t know how true this claim is but here is a link to the complete article!
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=13435§ionid=351020201
So what do you think about that?
June 18th, 2007 at 9:50 amComment by Tom3
As you don’t know, liberals are good to castigate non-violent offenders. That’s why democratically-controlled areas all over this country are rife with crime and abuse.
I’m glad you’ve been wasting your time watering over libby. I would rather focus my energies on tearing down every last Islamic mosque sitting in my country.
Keep asking your mother, fruitpie.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:51 amIs Al Jazeera about to Become Al-Foxeera?
By Danny Schechter, MediaChannel.org. Posted June 8, 2007.
Sources inside Al Jazeera…now confirm…that there is an internal struggle underway that may dilute Al Jazeera’s independence and steer it in a more pro-western, pro-US direction.
“There is already a change of tone and focus in the news,” a veteran insider reveals. He blames the shift on a reorganization of the network’s governing structure a month ago that has put a former Ambassador from Qatar to the USA in a commanding position.
…Washington and London were never happy with Al Jazeera’s political independence. Its offices in Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed in the early days of the war, and more recently there have been reports that President Bush considered bombing Al Jazeera’s headquarters in Doha, but was only stopped by a strong dissent by Britain’s Tony Blair.
…”You don’t need to bomb Al Jazeera to change its direction,” said my source. “There is a softer way to influence its direction by taking it over from within and it can happen quietly almost as if in slow motion.
June 18th, 2007 at 9:53 amFallout from the U.S. attorney scandal is “starting to hit the department in federal courtrooms around the country.â€
No shit, Sherlock.
The smell of Gonzales, et al, has permeated every household & courtroom in America.
Justice has no room for partisanship. It aborts, twists and defies logic. When done in the name of party over fairness, it smells to high heaven.
Alberto, let our courtrooms go!
June 18th, 2007 at 9:57 amIf those Congressional Republicans do not soon stand up against this “reign of terror” in this country and press for impeachment of the Chimp, they, too, will be held responsible by the People who put them in office.
They will experience the “Mike Nifong Syndrome” and the tables will soon be turning on them!
June 18th, 2007 at 9:59 amRight on! Justice should never be contaminated by politics and that’s precisely what we have here – which translates into: no justice any longer in this country with any credibility. As long as Dumbya keeps Gonzocchio in place, the erosion continues.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:00 amFallout from the U.S. attorney scandal is “starting to hit the department in federal courtrooms around the country.†Defense lawyers are “raising questions about the motives of government lawyers who have brought charges against their clients,â€
Once again, showing that the Democrats care about themselves first, and America second. They are still pursuing this scandal even if it means criminals get to go free.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:01 amKeep asking your mother, fruitpie.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 —
A troll with mommy issues. What a surprise!
June 18th, 2007 at 10:01 amI would rather focus my energies on tearing down every last Islamic mosque sitting in my country.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Really, how could anyone take this a-hole seriously?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:02 amWhite House loyalists have begun arguing for a Libby pardon. “[S]everal Republicans, who sense a movement in Libby’s favor, said a more likely possibility might be a presidential commutation — a reduction or elimination of Libby’s 2½-year federal prison sentence.
Can we get the judge who presided over Paris Hilton? Maybe the criminal will actually stay in jail? WHERE HE BELONGS WITH ALL THE OTHER NEOCON CROOKS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
June 18th, 2007 at 10:04 am#25 freedomrings
June 18th, 2007 at 10:05 am“According to an informed source ” …
I’d like to know more about the source before I’d say more than…
It wouldn’t surprise me.
Comment by Juan C
Really, it’s in the best interests of national security, not that you would know anything about an effective militia.
Anyone who told you to be yourself couldn’t have given you worse advice.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:08 amSome asshat neocon loving trolls would prefer a judicial system that puts party and politics ahead of an independent judiciary. Good luck with that comrade.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:08 amNow, I know there are people here who defend the invasion of Afghanistan looking for terrorists…is it me the only one who thinks that the idea is absolutely stupid?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:08 amComment by gummitch
Look! It’s a libetroll whos P-C out of his empty mind!
I’d like to see things from your point of view but I can’t seem to get my head that far up my ass.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:10 amComment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 18, 2007 @ 9:51 am
You’re starting early today. I have a meeting to attend this morning, but when I’m done, I’ll come back here to tear you a new one. For now, I’ll leave it at this:
You’re wrong (again).
Dipstick.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:10 amComment by RUCerious
Nancy that, Civvie.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:10 amComment by CompTROLLER V-1
I will let you know when I care about what you say.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:13 amComment by smafdy
Liberals have long lost their license to be correct. They were disbarred years ago, according to America.
You don’t sound important, so your “meeting” blab can be ommitted. I suppose you’ll be meeting with hip-hop leaders around the country. I like to call it the “rap is crap” convention.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:14 amI’d like to see things from your point of view but I can’t seem to get my head that far up my ass.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
I don’t know about that. It seems like you’re doing a great job wedging it up there. Keep it up and you can hire yourself out as a colonoscopy.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:16 amWelcome to your new and improved surge…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19282616/
… residents in Baghdad emerged from their homes at the end of a four-day lockdown imposed after last week’s bombing of a major Shiite shrine and found themselves caught in traffic spawned by hundreds of new police and army checkpoints.
For Mona Abdul-Hussein, a 32-year-old engineering lecturer and mother of two, little came from the lockdown aside from higher food prices and longer power outages.
“I think things will get worse now,†she said of a possible outburst in sectarian violence. “Anyone who wanted to do this may have just delayed until after the curfew.â€
So the new surge strategy is to impose curfew, set up enough checkpoints and roadblocks to effectively strangle the economy of the city.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:17 amThe modern day “seige”, starve them in.
Comment by Juan C
And when you “care,” I’ll take that as notice to check my Ph-Loony balance for any bloated-liberal irregularities.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:17 amSomeone should, because in the end I am really just a washed, self-flagilating moron who hates myself. I have to come here and try to interrupt you guys talking about important stuff, because I really can’t get off my duff and do anything to make a difference anywhere else. No job, all free time spend hating me – do you have any idea how bad that is? Not that I am making a difference here, but since I flunked the navy physicals and I can’t come to terms with my homosexuality, I just have to spew hate to get by.
Did I mention I am having a fat day?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:19 amAnd the end of the article…
Sunday saw some of the longest gas lines since Iraqis began suffering what are now chronic shortages. The lines stretched for a mile or longer, in some cases weaving around several blocks, stretching from main roads deep into side streets.
For the country with the second largest reserve of oil… Way to fu(k up chympie!
June 18th, 2007 at 10:19 amComment by gummitch
Calling you stupid would be an insult to stupid people, and calling you liberal would be an insult to Massachussetts.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:20 amYou see, there I go again. I just hate myself so much when I am this way. I am really not like this in the real world just in places where I can be anonymus. If anyone at the office found out, I would just die.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:21 amRobert Novak writes that Bush plans to go on a “veto offensive.†Bush has pledged to veto the homeland security appropriations bill. After that, “Bush next plans vetoes of the energy-water and interior-environment bills.†Novak predicts Bush’s vetoes will “trigger an epochal political struggle in the months ahead.â€
Georgie’s going to throw a tantrum.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:22 am#47 is, of course, is a desperate namejacker
By the way, shooting someone on their physical features goes against the tenants of liberal “tolerance,” wouldn’t you say? I wish you were hearing impaired or had some other real challenge. CompTROLLER V-1 didn’t flunk anything. The recruiters made its own decision despite the fact it was truly capable to serve.
Have you considered suing your brains for non-support?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:25 amTrollCum,
June 18th, 2007 at 10:26 amAre you getting paid now, because your comments are even stupider than usual?
And yes, Juan, I agree with you. I thought it was stupid, too.
Name Jacking Alert: CompTROLLER V-1’s is having it’s identity stolen. Copyright laws are most certainly being violated by a subhuman creature.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:26 amOh God I hate these little tiffs with myself soooo much. It doesn’t feel nearly as good as when I can suppress my intellect morals and conscience and tell myself that I am making a difference by posting my idiocy on TP. I make a difference because I get it and I am special and these silly libothugs jusst do not understand – OMFG, I am slipping into it again. Someone help me. I just want a hug. Really. Or any human contact. Because I make myself sick. Whhhhaaaaa!
June 18th, 2007 at 10:29 amCompTROLLER V-1,
“As you don’t know, liberals are good to castigate non-violent offenders. That’s why democratically-controlled areas all over this country are rife with crime and abuse.”
I would love to see a link to information which backs this baseless assertion. I’d be willing to bet you are dead wrong on this. Red states have traditionally had the highest violent crime rates per capita.
“I’m glad you’ve been wasting your time watering over libby. I would rather focus my energies on tearing down every last Islamic mosque sitting in my country.”
As long as we can tear down every last Christian/Jewish place of worship as well.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:29 amComment by Bluedahlia
I’m programmed by definition, thankfully, to refute the claim of non-PC comments being “stupid.”
You’re leaving your slime everywhere.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:29 amComment by Crump’s Brother
Sorry there, buddy. Approximately 400 Islamic mosques in this country have been indentified as a potential terrorist threat. Maybe even more, who knows.
A non-PC statement? You’ll get over it.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:32 amComment by namejacker
Again, have you considered suing your brains for non-support?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:33 amWonderful column by Juan Cole.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:35 amWow. Sometimes I get so low when I am like this, so close to rock bottom. That I will even post my weakest, dumbest, most ignorant posts twice or three times because I can’t think when I have the hate on me.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:36 amLook again! It’s a bunch of libetrolls who are P-C out of their empty minds!
June 18th, 2007 at 10:37 amCompTROLLER V-1,
“Approximately 400 Islamic mosques in this country have been indentified as a potential terrorist threat.”
You misunderstand me, I’m all for it!!! But I’m also for tearing down all religious dogma!!!
But I’m guessing you have some piece of information which shows that there are 400 Mosques that are potential terror threats, or are you pulling that out of your as*?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:38 amComment by CompTROLLER V-1 (name jacked)
If non-PC viewpoints are equivalent to “hate,” then fine, count the system on board.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:38 amPC? WTF?
You ever see me being PC? I can hold a conversation with others of my choosing or I can choose to ridicule the idiots who come here thinking they actually have something we want to hear. Choice, what a brilliant idea.
You are an idiot who likes attention. The proof is in your meaningless posts here everyday. Get a real life and find some friends with like minds sometime. You know, someone other than “the other guy who isn’t liked”. Sheesh….
June 18th, 2007 at 10:38 amAnd yes, Juan, I agree with you. I thought it was stupid, too.
Comment by Bluedahlia
Thank you!!! I dont know where this Afghanistan yes but Iraq no stance from our progressive fellas comes from. I think the whole point of invading a country for a criminal issue was the illegal and immoral thing to do.
Why the US didnt ask Venezuela and Cuba to invade the US after the latter was giving protection to Posada Carriles? Would that be ok, too?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:39 amPeople!!!!
Do you sit down and yell at mosquitoes?
No, you swat them, giggle during their miserable, puny deaths, and then move on with your life.
With that in mind, ignore the scum that which is CompTROLLER V-1. Anybody who posts 5-6 times in a ten minute period has some serious issues and needs to disappear, go POOF! so we can discuss more pertinent issues.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:41 amHey, there big fella, you’re sort of mixed up today, it’s hard on my drive train to have you flipping back and forth between forward and reverse so fast.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:45 amWhat did you do, eat that sucker you hauled off the bottom of Lake Tetrachloride yesterday?
You know you’re going to have to get me a new prop, just one day running around in that soup and it looks like the fan blade in the back of your laptop.
Comment by Juan C — June 18, 2007 @ 10:39 am
The whole thing is hypocritical.do we invade all countries that might harbor terrorists or just the ones we want to build pipelines through?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:46 amthink there might have been a different way to go about dealing with terrorists than invading a country? Oh yeah. The black and white mentality has got to go!
Comment by Crumps Brother
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/islamic_0.htm
Report compiled by David Gaubatz, former senior U.S. intelligence official.
Throwing out all religious groups in this country shouldn’t be the goal. You are proposing throwing out all the good because of some bad (Islamic mosques, in this case).
June 18th, 2007 at 10:49 amComment by Bluedahlia
Too bad your commentary is useless.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:50 amGood/bad, now that is pretty subjective to you, is it not?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:51 amTo me, I think they are all pretty bad. And I vote for my subjective reasoning over yours….
Comment by TrollINGMOTOR T-2
Shed’s gettin’ kinda rusty, Billy. Yah oughta get riight daiwn to scrubbin’, yah hea?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:53 amComment by Bluedahlia
I vote for the reasoning of a former U.S. intelligence official over yours. You are assuming that if Islam-type religions are bad, then so do all others.
The focus in our era is radical islam. I think I’m willing to accept that.
Choose not to read the link? Shouldn’t complain to me, then.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:55 amDo not feed the trolls. keep posting useful links and discussing.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:55 am…and his daughters “gave him a CD they had made for him to listen to while exercising.â€
I wonder, did they do the compliation in compliance with federal Copyright laws?
June 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amComment by Barbarian
TP would be out of existence by now if it weren’t for the “trolls” to provide the flavor needed for healthy debate. It would be a one-way road led on to a dead-end.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:58 amI would rather focus my energies on tearing down every last Islamic mosque sitting in my country.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 18, 2007 @ 9:51 am
You’re helping Islamic extremists recruit people to kill Americans by your anti-Muslim stance.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:00 amCompTROLLER V-1,
OUTSTANDING!!!
Did you take a llok at the organization that David Gaubatz works with?!?!?!!??!?!?!!?!?!?!?
He works for the Society of Americans for a National Existence. A RACISTS ORGANIZATION!!!!
Here’s their mission statement. At least we now know who you like to run with.. Hysterical!!!
“The Society of Americans for National Existence or SANE is what its name declares: a society of sane Americans dedicated to preserving and strengthening America’s national existence. By national existence we mean what you normally mean when speaking of such matters. America is a unique people bound together through a commitment to America’s Judeo-Christian moral foundation and to an enduring faith and trust in G-d and in His Providence. America’s founding, and its greatness was neither accident nor staging ground for some better existence or world state. America was the handiwork of faithful Christians, mostly men, and almost entirely white, who ventured from Europe to create a nation in their image of a country existing as free men under G-d. The founding fathers understood that party-led parliaments and DEMOCRACY were the WORSE form of government and sought to resist the movement that was soon to find fertile ground in France with the French Revolution, the end of which we can see now before our eyes.”
SANE’s Mission includes the dismantling of much of the liberal enterprise, including:
A rejection of the Open Society agenda and Multiculturalism that so dominates and permeates our society.
A rejection of the view that Science dictates Certainty in man’s affairs and that Man’s Being is reduced to scientific thinking on matters of life and death, purpose, and values.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:04 amComment by Briseadh na Faire
These Islamics mosques are right here in this country, identified as being virulently anti-american, you name it. They don’t need to be here, they need to be gone.
If someone insults my religion, I don’t become homicidal. They make final decision to incite violence, and they should face justice.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:04 am#11 Lets play “What should the girls have put on Dad’s CD” 10 – 15 songs.
1. Dear God – XTC
June 18th, 2007 at 11:05 am2. War Pigs – Black Sabbath
3. Everybody wants to Rule the World – Tears for Fears
4. Masters of War – Bob Dylan
5. Rockin in the Free World – Neil Young
6. Washington Bullets – The Clash
7. Captain Kennedy – Neil Young
8. Liar – Queen
9. You’re so Vain – Carly Simon
10. The Time’s they are a Changing – Bob Dylan
They are religiously and culturally intolerant. THEIR God’s view is the only view.
You expect me to take that ’study’ of Mosques seriously?!?!?!?
Here’s a link for everyone to chew on…
http://www.saneworks.us/
June 18th, 2007 at 11:05 am#52 CompTROLLER V-1
By the way, shooting someone on their physical features goes against the tenants of liberal “tolerance,†wouldn’t you say?
So, are you saying that you are, in fact, a great big tub o’ goo?
June 18th, 2007 at 11:06 amComment by Crump’s Brother
I wouldn’t have posted the link had Mr. Gaubatz not been a former U.S. intelligence official. He had the credentials during his time in the government, that’s where I’ll base his assessment, not what you interpret to be a “racist organization.” His undercover operations/future ones are sufficient reference.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:07 amBnF,
June 18th, 2007 at 11:07 amAbsolutely!
We would do good to treat politics like good medicine. We should try and use preventative measures to fix what is at the heart of the problem (why we create people who hate us), rather than feed Big Pharma (big oil/guns) by trying to “band-aid” the symptoms.
I’m glad you’ve been wasting your time watering over libby. I would rather focus my energies on tearing down every last Islamic mosque sitting in my country.
Keep asking your mother, fruitpie.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Then what, you going to tear down every Buddhist Temple, every Jewish Synagogue, every House of Scientology? You never know where the next terrorist will come from do you? Of course destroying every mosque is a good way to start creating terrorist here. That’s good, then we can leave Iraq because we’ll be fomenting hatred here so we don’t have to do it over there.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:09 amThe modern day “seigeâ€, starve them in.
Comment by RUCerious — June 18, 2007 @ 10:17 am
It’s not so modern:
June 18th, 2007 at 11:10 am
CompTROLLER V-1,
You’re a full-fledged troll now.
Bye.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:10 am#77 CompTROLLER V-1
TP would be out of existence by now if it weren’t for the “trolls†to provide the flavor needed for healthy debate. It would be a one-way road led on to a dead-end.
Yeah, what would a firing range be without targets?
June 18th, 2007 at 11:10 amComment by chimpeach
The weight of CompTROLLER V-1 is perfectly normal, except for a hearing impairment. Learn how to infer properly from the context of a paragraph. Aww, nevermind. Liberals never made proper reading a top priority, and never will. If you’ve ever read the military’s physical code of conduct, you would have noticed they have the right to reject enlistment even on the grounds of certain scars or even,*yuck*, ingrown toenails. Those are just two examples.
Nowhere was weight mentioned, fruitcake.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:12 amSo, are you saying that you are, in fact, a great big tub o’ goo?
Comment by chimpeach — June 18, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Looks it’s not funny okay. So I am a little overweight. Okay A LOT, should that make my opinions less important?
June 18th, 2007 at 11:12 amComment by Zooey
Guess what, the system could care less. The CompTROLLER V-1 generation has more going for it than the alien critics suggest.
Booya.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:15 amAnyone who told you to be yourself couldn’t have given you worse advice.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-
For the record asshat, you’re not fit to shine Juan’s shoes. What’s the matter, Rove wouldn’t give you overtime pay to work the weekend and now you’re all bitter? Or did your mommy take your computer privileges away because you wouldn’t clean your room?
Oh and before you start your usual whining, you’re the troll who came here insulting people first.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:15 amCompTROLLER V-1,
“His undercover operations/future ones are sufficient reference.”
No they are not.
If he has a obvious political bent going into this study, how can give the study any level of impartiality?
His organization openly hates Muslims and wants them out of the country. I’m guessing they have put every mosque in the country on their little list.
It’s like asking Satan to do an impartial study of Christianity.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:16 amComment by CompTROLLER V-1 (name jacker)
Lame-o.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:16 amApproval Of Congress Is Dropping!
Monday 18th of June 2007
by Jay Randal
New polling data is showing that approval of Congress is dropping below 20% now and could drop to 10% if bogus immigration reform bill is passed by the Senate.
A overwhelming majority of Americans want Mexican border secured, then a decision made on amnesty for existing illegals in US, or to deport some of them too.
Most Americans are willing to allow the law-abiding/hard-working immigrants to seek citizenship, but any involved in gangs, drugs, or criminal activity deported.
So far the Congressional membership of both political parties are not listening to the American citizenry, on securing the borders, nor on ending Iraq Fiasco War.
Sen. Harry Reid’s personal approval has dropped to 19% and falling, and Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s is starting to take a dive too, so they are not acting like leaders.
If the Democrats in DC stood-up to President Bush on Iraq, not caving to him on funding and not joining him on bogus bills, then approval would climb to 60-70%.
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
June 18th, 2007 at 11:16 am#10 – “Let out the dope dealers and let the prisons fill with criminals intent on destroying American freedom and democracy. Right on!” Comment by gummitch — June 18, 2007 @ 9:31 am
I wonder if they would put the entire Bush Administration in the same prison?
June 18th, 2007 at 11:17 amI don’t know about that. It seems like you’re doing a great job wedging it up there. Keep it up and you can hire yourself out as a colonoscopy.
Comment by gummitch
Not really because he’d have to actually UNDERSTAND the evidence before his eyes. And obviously that’s not his strong suit.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:18 amComment by Crump’s Brother
Mr. Gaubatz was U.S. Intelligence official. I’ll take his word over yours. The insistence that there isn’t any negative activity from Muslims in this country is getting rather stale. Shouldn’t you have noticed?
It’s like asking Satan to do an impartial study of Christianity.
The study will move forward, like it or not. The outcome will be that America is safer. Not that it’ll please the lefties in the crowd. They need something BAD to complain over.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:20 amComment by shane
Oh, I know the evidence.
You could use brain-replacement surgery. Any similarity between you and a human is purely coincidental!
June 18th, 2007 at 11:23 amComment by CompTROLLER V-1
Correction: “It’s like asking Satan to do an impartial study of Christianity.”
June 18th, 2007 at 11:24 am-Comment by Crump’s Brother
latest chymp approval ratings at pollingreport.com
Poller————————–Dates–App–Dis–Duh
NBC/Wall Street Journal 6/8-11/07 29 66 5
previous NBC/WSJ
NBC/Wall Street Journal 3/2-5/07 35 60 5
A six point swing in three months. And look at that disapproval 2/3!!
June 18th, 2007 at 11:28 amYer doin a fu(k of a job, chympie!
No man’s sentence should be determined on account of partisan bickering from the Left. –Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Are you OK with a man’s sentence being determined by a Reagan-appointed judge? Because that’s what happened in Libby’s case.
Enforce the laws on the books, that’s what I always say.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:28 amCompTROLLER V-1,
“The insistence that there isn’t any negative activity from Muslims in this country is getting rather stale.”
If you’ve read any of my posts you will realize that I am no Islamist apologist. Many left wing thinkers are guilty of trying to protect Islam from the due criticism it deserves for endorsing the doctrine of martyrdom.
But he insistence that there isn’t any negative activity from Christians in this country is getting rather stale as well. Somwhere a right wing Christian is stockpiling weapons pushing for overthrow of our government. Somehwere, another Tim McVeigh is preparing to do something equally stupid. Somewhere a Minister is telling people that bombing abortion clinics is not only just, it is necessary.
All religion must start thinking with the grown up part of their brain.
But your blind support of a study done by a guy who has a real HATE on for Muslilms shows your anability to be impartial as well.
I would have goven you credit for your statement if you could have backed it with a study done by someone other than the KKK. Regardless of who they hired to do it.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:28 amSo, are you saying that you are, in fact, a great big tub o’ goo?
Comment by chimpeach — June 18, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Looks it’s not funny okay. So I am a little overweight. Okay A LOT, should that make my opinions less important?
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Wrong again CT, it is funny because you are definitely a tub of goo from the neck up.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:30 amAre you OK with a man’s sentence being determined by a Reagan-appointed judge? Because that’s what happened in Libby’s case.
Enforce the laws on the books, that’s what I always say.
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch.
CT would have the judge go easy on Libby because Libby’s a “nice guy,” but would haul out the guillotine for people taking food for their families after Katrina.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:31 amIraq War resolution voters you may know.
Hillary Clinton “Favor”
June 18th, 2007 at 11:31 amJohn Edwards “Favor”
Joseph Biden “Favor”
Dennis Kucinich “Against”
Chris Dodd “Favor”
John McCain “Favor”
Sam Brownback “Favor”
Chuck Hagel “Favor”
Duncan Hunter “Favor”
Ron Paul “Against”
Tom Tancredo “Favor”
Can anyone say attention starved?
June 18th, 2007 at 11:32 ami’m curious about this “pardon libby” movement…
by the gov backers and even the TP trolls…
i seem to recall a LOT of hate and vitriol directed
at martha stewart when she was convicted …
many assumed she would be let off and treated
with kid gloves…
as i remember, she took her prison sentence early
instead of waiting for appeals…
way more of a “man” than scooter will ever be…
but then a real man would have scuttled that
June 18th, 2007 at 11:32 amprissy moniker a loooong time ago…
…
Comment by Crump’s Brother
His interest group is no KKK, by the way. He was a former intelligence official, regardless how you put it. Certainly no worse than the ACLU. Your assertions in #104 make sense, but the threat of our time is zoomed on Muslims. McVeigh killed and was sentenced to death, thankfully so. Certain muslims, however, have yet to be brought to justice for their heinous acts.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:33 amOh, I know the evidence.
You could use brain-replacement surgery. Any similarity between you and a human is purely coincidental!
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Oooh you cut me to the bone. I can tell you thought that little snippet up yourself by its impotence, impotence being your MO.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:33 amWrong again CT, it is funny because you are definitely a tub of goo from the neck up.
Comment by shane
That’s hilarious, Shane. CT comes here spewing bile all over everyone on this thread this morning, and then has the nerve to whine when someone gives it back to him.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:35 am“CT would have the judge go easy on Libby because Libby’s a “nice guy,†but would haul out the guillotine for people taking food for their families after Katrina.”
Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much?
June 18th, 2007 at 11:36 amProject much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much?
Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much?
Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much?
Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much? Project much?
#90
The weight of CompTROLLER V-1 is perfectly normal, except for a hearing impairment. Learn how to infer properly from the context of a paragraph.
And, the inference made by your use of the phrase “physical features” is what? Your hearing impairment is a physical feature? What do you have, cauliflower ear?
Nowhere was weight mentioned, fruitcake.
You sound pretty sensitive about your weight, stinkbug.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:36 amCompTROLLER V-1
“Certain muslims, however, have yet to be brought to justice for their heinous acts.”
Like Osama Bin Laden?
“His interest group is no KKK, by the way.”
I think you need to read their mission statement, which openly supports a white, male dominated, Christian government free of democracy. READ IT!!! It says what they are. They openly support a theocratic form of government.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:36 amComment by shane
You’re so clever to respond to a name-jacked post.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:37 ami’m curious about this “pardon libby†movement…
by the gov backers and even the TP trolls…
Yeah I would tend to agree, it puzzles me. The man was found “Guilty” of crimes against him. He needs to serve his time.
The excuse of “Clinton lied and only lost license” is bogus because it excuses the crime.
The excuse of “Prosecuter with axe to grind” is bogus because anyway you cut it, he was found guilty.
Serve your time and deal with it.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:38 amProject much? ad infinitum
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 18, 2007 @ 11:36 am
Maybe you could explain to the class how my comment was “projection.”
June 18th, 2007 at 11:40 amComment by Crump’s Brother
As I’ve said, I wouldn’t have posted the link if the man wasn’t a former intelligence official. I have read it, it’s no worse than La Raza’s mission statement. I’m sorry you believe that radical muslim-watch intelligence can only come from “pro-white” websites.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:40 amComment by Zooey
Maybe you can provide substantiative links to assert that I don’t care about Katrina survivors. Other than that, your case is dismissed.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:42 amComment by shane
You’re so clever to respond to a name-jacked post.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Ask us how much we give a shit that you were name-jacked, jackass? Oh, is the wittle baby upset because he thinks we can’t tell the difference. Mission accomplished.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:43 am*what the girls SHOULD have put on daddy’s exercise CD:
trent reznor’s NINE INCH NAILS – YEAR ZERO
[...] This time, he’s cooked up a concept album about an American police state, fifteen years in the future. To suit the paranoid vibe, Year Zero is dense yet minimal, inspired by the Bomb Squad production on early Public Enemy records. [...]
June 18th, 2007 at 11:44 amThe target of his rage on Year Zero is “Capital G,” and you’ll never guess who that stands for. (Hint: “I pushed a button and elected him to office/He pushed a button, and it dropped the bomb.”) In Capital G’s regime, the military runs the government (”Survivalism”) and the church (”God Given”), watching every move you make. The nation keeps a permanent war going, using up soldiers and spitting them out, until they finally rebel in the anthem “Your Violent Heart.”
[...]
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/14148899/review/14187473/year_zero
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Comment by Zooey
I don’t think it’s toooo hard to label Mr. Libby a nice guy. Trust me, there are worst people I’d like to see locked tight in solitary confinement on tax-payer dollars.
Mr. Libby’s family doesn’t need the added stress of him sitting in prison for a word-of-mouf offense. That’s probation for a first-time offender. Judge Walton’s sentence was overreaching, and I’ll leave it at that.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:46 amWhat did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.
Well, one minor thread on the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip – ooh can’t talk about that Israel-Palestine stuff, eh?
Here’s Robert Fisk: http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/06/16/1928/
“How do we deal with a coup d’état by an elected government?”
June 18th, 2007 at 11:49 amComment by shane
Aren’t you oldies tasked with using less foul-language around the youngins’? You know, settin’ dat example?
With you as an example, it’s quite safe to say that my generation will be a better entity.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:50 amTrust me, there are worst people I’d like to see locked tight in solitary confinement on tax-payer dollars.
Excusing the crime.
Mr. Libby’s family doesn’t need the added stress of him sitting in prison
No Criminals family needs the added stress.
Judge Walton’s sentence was overreaching,
June 18th, 2007 at 11:50 amI’m for tough on crime ALWAYS!
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 18, 2007 @ 11:49 am
Yeah they even all stood in the street and demanded all of the civilians weapons.
Sounds like what many want to happen in the U.S. George going out and putting the military in the streets demanding all the firearms from the citizens.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:52 amCompTROLLER V-1,
“I’m sorry you believe that radical muslim-watch intelligence can only come from “pro-white†websites.”
WHEN DID I SAY THAT?!?!?!? You are the one that is using info from a extreme right wing, racists, religiously intolerant, anti-democracy organization to back up the assertion that there are 400 ‘dangerous’ mosques in America. I pointed out how biased that study must be considering the source, and your saying that I believe that radical muslim-watch intelligence can only come from “pro-white†websites. I think you may have it backward my friend.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:55 am“Excusing the crime.”
Nope, you’re for letting violent criminals go free.
“No Criminals family needs the added stress.”
Armitage outed him. Go chase him.
“I’m for tough on crime ALWAYS!”
With only a Republican indicted, of course you are. Everyone else, we’ll just go write an academic paper on why it’s more excusable because a Republican previously did it or was accused of doing it.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:57 amAren’t you oldies tasked with using less foul-language around the youngins’? You know, settin’ dat example?
With you as an example, it’s quite safe to say that my generation will be a better entity.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Look at how you turned out, and that has nothing to do with me. It’s seems to me since you are Scooter’s Number One Fan that you would serve him better working elsewhere. After all there are many people who don’t know how important Scooter’s crime was to the welfare of the country. People like you for example who think obstruction of justice is like jaywalking. Why don’t you run along and commune with the other idiots.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:58 amMaybe you can provide substantiative links to assert that I don’t care about Katrina survivors. Other than that, your case is dismissed.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
I submit every comment on tis thread as evidence that you care about nothing, except your religion, yourself, and Libby.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:59 amYikes!!
June 18th, 2007 at 11:59 amCompTROLL dumps taken all over this thread, watch your step and wipe your feet as you leave to avoid tracking it elsewhere.
Terry, I read that Fisk note yesterday. Wonderful piece.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:59 amThose damn palestinians voting for people we dont like! Hehehehe.
Aren’t you oldies tasked with using less foul-language around the youngins’? You know, settin’ dat example?
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Sure I’m old, but at least I have a life. Believe me it isn’t your weight or your hearing problems that have made you an outcast. It’s your less than charming personality and your single minded devotion to crooks isn’t all that adorable either.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:00 pmComment by Crump’s Brother
Crump, alright now. He was a former intelligence official. I WOULD NOT have posted it as a link had that not been the case. That’s final. His interest group affiliation I took into account, but I found that his report seemed reasonably neutral. This is information, I believe, that even the Government would like to see if they already haven’t.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:02 pmMr. Libby’s family doesn’t need the added stress of him sitting in prison for a word-of-mouf offense. That’s probation for a first-time offender. Judge Walton’s sentence was overreaching, and I’ll leave it at that.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
For shame, CT. Do you actually think anyone’s family needs the added stress of their family member sittin in prison?
Judge Walton’s sentence was appropriate, even light, considering Libby’s charges — and conviction by a jury of his peers.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:02 pmComment by shane
I don’t have a weight problem, for sho’, and my hearing impairment is minimal, just up to the military’s standards.
Believe a fellow Libetroll to the contrary, not that you could prove it. They could say I’m anorexic or weigh 1000-plus pounds. Doesn’t matter. Libetrolls can think up smear-crap as they go along, that’s why they should always be in the minority.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:06 pmWith only a Republican indicted, of course you are. Everyone else, we’ll just go write an academic paper on why it’s more excusable because a Republican previously did it or was accused of doing it.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — June 18, 2007 @ 11:57 am
Umm, I don’t like the Democrats any more than the Republicans. I sort of prefer the rule of Law.
Quite frankly you sound like the Liberal here.
“Oh the poor criminal” “He should be at home with his family” “The punishment is too harsh” “He’s really a nice guy though” “Probation is tough enough, it will show him” “Rehabilitate him with minimum stress so he’s OK”
The guy was found guilty. As with all criminals they need to be stuck in a place no better then the Maricopa County Lockup in Arizona to serve out their sentence.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:09 pmI submit every comment on tis thread as evidence that you care about nothing, except your religion, yourself, and Libby.
Comment by Zooey
You’ll need to provide the posts that show I don’t care about the plight of those of poverty, as was stated per your Katrina comments.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmOtherwise, that’s the reason they invented the word “projection.”
No man’s sentence should be determined on account of partisan bickering from the Left. –Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Are you OK with a man’s sentence being determined by a Reagan-appointed judge? Because that’s what happened in Libby’s case.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pm#123 first time offense to impeding an investigation should be probation? Did you feel that way when Martha Stewart lied to investigators? I seriously doubt it. Your position only comes from him being a republican and for his taking a bullet for the VP.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:13 pmJudge Walton’s sentence was appropriate, even light, considering Libby’s charges — and conviction by a jury of his peers.
Comment by Zooey
Yeah, the judge could have made the senteces served consecutive instead of concurrent. Serving concurrent means the judge did mitigate the sentence to a degree. Libby got a break, one he did not deserve.
concurrent = the period of imprisonment equals the sum of all the sentences
June 18th, 2007 at 12:15 pmConsecutive = the period of imprisonment equals the length of the longest sentence
concurrent = the period of imprisonment equals the sum of all the sentences
Consecutive = the period of imprisonment equals the length of the longest sentence
Comment by Wayne — June 18, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Isn’t that reversed?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:15 pmYou’ll need to provide the posts that show I don’t care about the plight of those of poverty, as was stated per your Katrina comments.
Otherwise, that’s the reason they invented the word “projection.â€
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Actually, I don’t need to do anything where you’re concerned, CT. You’ve dug your own troll grave on this blog, and you can lie in it.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:15 pm“The guy was found guilty. As with all criminals they need to be stuck in a place no better then the Maricopa County Lockup in Arizona to serve out their sentence.”
Comment by Tundra
I think I’m aware the man was found guilty. I’ve admitted that. In terms of his conviction, I’m not sure it could withstand an appeal based on the evidence of his guilt.
Probation, by the way, is quite common these days, and Libby is a prime candidate for it – a civil servant, well-educated, a family man, and so on.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pmViolent and non-violent criminals are placed on probation everyday. As I’ve stated, Libby is a 50-something first-time offender, so that should have been an added plus. A commutation of his sentence by the President seems to make more sense than a full pardon. I should have thought of that one.
Libetrolls can think up smear-crap as they go along, that’s why they should always be in the minority.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Smear-crap is the hallmark of you neocons. Have you seen the movie “Bush’s Brain” about Karl Rove. Watch that and then tell me how liberals smear people. If you choose not too, well “case closed”.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pmNo amnesty for Libby.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:20 pmActually, I don’t need to do anything where you’re concerned, CT. You’ve dug your own troll grave on this blog, and you can lie in it.
Comment by Zooey
Then please don’t ask anyone else for substantiative links whenever you find the information to be not-so-appealing.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:20 pmIsn’t that reversed?
Comment by Tundra
Doh, yep.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:21 pmNeed more coffee this morning…..
Thanks for catching that.
Comment by shane
I don’t like Karl Rove. I think he’s hurting the Republican party.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:21 pm#145 appeals are not based on evidence of guilt or innocence appeals are based on procedural issues and legal interpretations. New evidence can be introduced, however the appeals process will nto wiegh the evidence presented on face value.
If he gets off on the appeal process it will be due to a technicality and nothign else. We know how much you republicans hate when criminals get off on technicalities, so you should be against him getting off on appeal.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:22 pmYeah, the judge could have made the senteces served consecutive instead of concurrent. Serving concurrent means the judge did mitigate the sentence to a degree. Libby got a break, one he did not deserve.
Comment by Wayne
I think it’s pretty rare when a convict gets consecutive sentences, rather than concurrent. Libby will be out jail far sooner than he should be, cuz he’ll be such a good boy, and then he’ll get a cushy job in Corporate America for his trouble.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pmI’m not sure it could withstand an appeal based on the evidence of his guilt.
Well if he passes an appeal I will switch sides and defend him. Until then he is a criminal.
Violent and non-violent criminals are placed on probation everyday
They should be in jail too. Because you want to excuse violent criminals, doesn’t mean I have to excuse him. It’s just like the it’s OK to do it because Clinton did it defense. Law is not based on what others can get away with.
A commutation of his sentence by the President seems to make more sense than a full pardon.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pmShould the President review every case in the system personally and decide if the judge was too harsh?
Then please don’t ask anyone else for substantiative links whenever you find the information to be not-so-appealing.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Actually, I will do exactly as I please. Thanks.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pmComment by Zooey
Sure, but you won’t ask out of me what you’re unwilling to provide, that being substantiation.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:27 pmSure, but you won’t ask out of me what you’re unwilling to provide, that being substantiation.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Believe me, I don’t expect anything from trolls.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:29 pmCompTROLLER V-1,
I defended Libby’s right to a trial when the thing started. I was beaten up around here for saying, innocent till proven guilty (Which I firmly believe).
Once he was found guilty, I have zero tolerence for him. I trust in the system.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:31 pm“Because you want to excuse violent criminals, doesn’t mean I have to excuse him.”
WOW. That’s naive. CompTROLLER V-1 suddently wants to excuse violent criminals. I’m sorry, must not be registering: The entire theme of my pro-Libby argument was to lobby to place a violent criminal in that cell-block in place of Libby.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pmComment by Tundra — June 18, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Well, that’s good of you. Whether or not it serves justice, though, I’m for the current right of a President to issue a pardon/commution. Until there is a movement to change the rules granting one, which I support one, that will be the right of the President, no matter how controversial.
The President may not get involved at all. That’s a distinct possibility as well.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:37 pmNo pardon for treason.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:39 pmBelieve me, I don’t expect anything from trolls.
Comment by Zooey — June 18, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
… except troll poop…
… always with the trooll poop…
…
June 18th, 2007 at 12:39 pmthat will be the right of the President, no matter how controversial.
Agreed
June 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pm“The entire theme of my pro-Libby argument was to lobby to place a violent criminal in that cell-block in place of Libby.”
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
The entire theme of my pro-Libby argument was to lobby to place a violent criminal in that cell-block with Libby.
(there, fixed it for ya!)
June 18th, 2007 at 12:45 pmFunny how Bush promised to remove from the White House any person involved in the treasonous act of exposing Valerie Plame as a covert CIA agent.
Of course, he never did anything.
Now the trolls think those involved and found guilty in a court of law should be simply pardoned. Does the President’s word mean nothing?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:46 pmComment by heyzeus
(there, I’m a dim-bulb!) (and a freak, too!)
June 18th, 2007 at 12:47 pmDoes the President’s word mean nothing?
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch.
I think it has been proven that the current President’s word does mean nothing.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmToo many lies.
tundra, i just gotta say, and i hope this doesn’t put a hex on things,
June 18th, 2007 at 12:57 pmbut your attitude and civility, since your early days here at TP, have
much improved and have added a (mostly) positive, interesting take
on the subject matter…
i hope you don’t think it embarrassing to have me point that out…
we all (well, most) can appreciate a good, intelligent discussion and i
appreciate your contribution to that end…
of course, you were always one of the most tolerated of the early trolls…
you and squeegee have been learning well…
thanks for helping out!
…
Comment by katy — June 18, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Well thank you Katy!
I appreciate that.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:59 pmRe: Attorneys questioning the movtives of prosecuters. It was bound to happen from the first questions about the firings. A defense attorney would be negligent if s/he didn’t bring it up. And if I were on a grand jury, I would be extremely suspicious of any government case without an eyewitness. And I’d want to know a lot about that eyewitness.
This means that not only have Bush, Rove, Gonzales et al. destroyed people’s faith in justice, a lot of bad guys will not be convicted because of that loss of faith. I used to say I didn’t hate Bush etc. personally, just what they were doing to my country; now that we know more of what they were doing, I DO hate them personally. They are just evil.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:15 pmI think it’s pretty rare when a convict gets consecutive sentences, rather than concurrent.
Comment by Zooey
Pedophiles do get consecutive sentences alot.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pmSeems like a traitor that lies to authorities and obstructs Justice should also, IMHO.
But that is the judges choice.
“It is the absolute responsibility of everybody in uniform to disobey an order that is either illegal or immoral.†–General Peter Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, National Press Club, February 17, 2006
June 18th, 2007 at 1:30 pmPedophiles do get consecutive sentences alot.
Seems like a traitor that lies to authorities and obstructs Justice should also
Yeah I tend to think all criminals should. Serving 2 or 3 jail terms at once is silly to me.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:32 pmkaty
you and squeegee have been learning well…
thanks for helping out!
Thanks Katy, but saying that I learn might be a bit of a lie :)
June 18th, 2007 at 1:36 pmPedophiles do get consecutive sentences alot.
Seems like a traitor that lies to authorities and obstructs Justice should also, IMHO.
But that is the judges choice.
Comment by Wayne
I forgot about the perverts. Oy… They sentence like that to keep ‘em locked up as long as possible.
I agree, if you’re destroying this country from within, you should be serving proper time.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pmThanks Katy, but saying that I learn might be a bit of a lie :)
Comment by squegeebooo
Now you’re being modest, Squeegy.
See? You can learn. :)
June 18th, 2007 at 1:40 pm#167 – “you (Tunrda) and squeegee have been learning well… thanks for helping out!” Comment by katy — June 18, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Squeegeeboo and Tundra have been quite approachable in the threads. I don’t always agree with them, but they’re much less confrontational about their perspectives than some others.
I know that I’ve been rather “forcefull” in some of my opinions in the past. (Go figure!) I appreciate everyone’s tolerance as I strive to tolerate those with whom I disagree.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:06 pmOn Friday, Rep. Paul introduced H.R. 2755 To abolish the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks, to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, and for other purposes. The text of this bill is not yet available on-line but Rep. Paul introduced a similiar bill back in July of 2003 which never even made it into committee.
http://www.teambio.org/2007/06/ron-paul-introduces-legislation-to-abolish-the-federal-reserve/
June 18th, 2007 at 5:42 pmComment by freedomrings
You keep promoting Ron Paul yet leave out the fact he is also a racist.
“Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.” — Ron Paul
“If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.” — Ron Paul
“Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions.” —Ron Paul
If you support Ron Paul, you also support his asinine racist views.
June 18th, 2007 at 6:00 pmYou keep promoting Ron Paul yet leave out the fact he is also a racist.
“Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.†— Ron Paul
“If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.†— Ron Paul
“Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions.†—Ron Paul
If you support Ron Paul, you also support his asinine racist views.
Comment by Wayne — June 18, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Well, OK Wayne when the election comes around who is it that you are going to vote for? Originally I was thinking Gravel but he seems to be for a global carbon tax so that eliminates him. I would never vote for Clinton for more reasons than I have time to list. All of the Repubs are frightening except Paul who has said we should pull out of Iraq. Edwards has problems and frankly I think lawyers are blood suckers. I don’t like Obama since he seems to want to nuke stuff.
Now I posted that since he wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve and if that actual happened (doubt it would) that would make me smile. I didn’t know he was a racist though. I’m going to write him and ask him if that is true!
June 18th, 2007 at 7:52 pm“The Army has no PTSD center at Walter Reed,â€
The Army no longer RUNS Walter Reed.
Walter Reed Army Medical Center is run by VP Dan Quayle, in charge of a company that is owned by Vulture Fund Cerberus, run mainly by ex-Bush Treasury Secretary Snow, along with Carlyle, UAE, and others.
Their policy?
• Screw any soldier unwilling to go back to war.
(’Unwilling’ includes unable).
June 18th, 2007 at 7:52 pmThis was what I found and I agree with this regarding Ron Paul. The quotes you gave Paul disputes that he made them.
I once blogged a quote that was attributed to Bill Gates. I built an entire case against Gates being evil based on that quote. One of the other bloggers researched it and boy was I wrong. Not only did Gates never say it but it was originally on a site that was 100% fake.
Paul seems honest to me but I will continue to research this claim!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul381.html
June 18th, 2007 at 8:47 pmhttp://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822
June 18th, 2007 at 9:55 pmhttp://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822
Comment by Tundra — June 18, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
Yes I saw this and I must admit that as we all know politics is dirty business (has been since the nation was born) and these quotes are inconsistent with everything I know about Ron Paul. To me if we get to the next election at all it will be a miracle the way we are going.
I honestly don’t think that many of us are going to survive the next few years. I realize the ramifications of 9-11 and the fear mongering. My gut tells me that once Bush looses a few more points he is going to punish us. Something tells me that whatever they are planning it is going to make 9-11 look like a carnival.
This is all the more reason to relieve the congress ASAP, so that we can settle the matters at hand. Now I’m kind of off topic but in getting back to the topic I do know that this is all connected. Posters like m12 are part of the system, part of the corporate plutocracy that needs to be completely rubbed out. We could repeal laws that defy the public trust. We could pass laws that improve all of our lives.
The m12s of the world only value worthless paper over the reality that the poor will ultimately rise up and destroy the m12s and their ambitions of domination. A small percentage of the USA is dictating how the lives and deaths of the majority will be conducted. The m12s want the illegal aliens in-country to help them create demand destruction of the majority.
We can get to the moon, wage wars, build prisons, grow crops, build skyscrapers and the m12s would have us believe that socialized medicine is impossible even though England has proved the opposite true. One of the positive results of WW2 was that England adopted American democracy and socialized medicine and even with some of the highest fuel bills (almost 3 times what we pay) they provide health care and don’t have homelessness.
I can honestly say that my several trips to England proved to me that the USA would be well served to observe and emulate the nation that did a better job with democracy then the country that brought it to them in 2 world wars. m12s play around with ##s that have this character associated to them… $$$$$$$$$$$ In our case those $$$$ are synthetic. They are valueless pieces of paper that rely on global acceptance for transactions (OPECs oil) and the backing is the brute force of our military and atomic weapons.
The military holds the world hostage now and there will not be socialized medicine for us since the m12s are making slaves of the US citizens too. The m12s need to realize that the tighter they squeeze the more that slips out of their fingers.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:01 amConcerning the article on PTSD, I just wanted to write that it may benefit active duty & veteran family’s / friends of veterans to read a recently released book titled, “Still the Monkey: What Happens to Warriors After War?†“Author Alivia C. Tagliaferri became inspired to write Still the Monkey: What Happens to Warriors After War after she visited the Walter Reed Medical Center in the summer of 2003, and saw first hand the casualties of the War on Terror. Her later interview with a former Marine and Vietnam Veteran with post-traumatic stress disorder helped cement her determination to express the devastating toll of war. Still the Monkey is a historical fiction novel about a Vietnam veteran plagued with pain and sickness, and his fateful meeting with an Iraq veteran who lost both his legs. For ten days inside the walls of Walter Reed’s Monologue House, the two of them begin a painful yet ultimately cathartic progression toward healing and learning to live again, one day at a time. A poignant and powerful novel, written out of the deepest respect and admiration for the men and women who put their lives on the line for the sake of their nation.†– Midwest Book Review.
At http://www.ironcuttermedia.com/ you can learn more about this book, which is reality-based work of historical fiction that depicts the problems caused by post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) among returning veterans. I hope this post helps educate people out there that need assistance. Take care and God bless.
June 20th, 2007 at 7:10 pm