Did you ever, even once, sit in on a Western Civ. course? The U.S.S.R. had a comparable nuclear arsenal to ours (most sources now say it was larger than ours). Much of the cold war was also under appeasement oriented U.S. Presidents. It took Ronald Reagan to take action and solve the problem, and he did so brilliantly. Saddam made no attempt to disprove our accusations that he had WMD’s, and he was clearly hostile to the U.S. and our allies. The evidence still shows that he HAD them, and all the “no wmd’s” spin in the media is just a way to spin the fact that we gave him plenty of time to disburse them among those who could more stealthily deploy them. Hell, we found MIG-29s buried in the Iraqi desert! All the evidence, and all the major Democrat leaders, said that Saddam was the most imminent threat to U.S. security at the time.

The issue about the rape is a separate, criminal issue, and those guys should be dealt with accordingly. The ultimate issue here is the paying of families for collateral damage in the course of our operations specifically intended to curtail the insurgency.

First of all:”the fact that we are PAYING for collateral damage in wartime, which is completely unprecedented.” WTF? what if the families of those killed by US soldiers simply refuse payments? What then? you just say: hey, we killed your folks, if you don’t take the money then screw you, we’re Americans and we can do what we want, whether you like it or not?What if an Iraqi soldier would now murder your mom, sister or son, then give you money in compensation saying “they were war casualties”? Would YOU accept the payment? Did you even have the curiosity of reading Toby Tall’s linked article about what the family of the raped and murdered Iraqi girl said about American soldiers? It’s that simple:put your ass into an Iraqi’s shoes and see how would YOU react when it comes to accept payments for the “accidental” death of your beloved ones…

And the fact that you admit “we are LOSING BILLIONS on this war monthly” should enrage you even more, because after all it’s YOUR money too…and that money is spent on killing rather than saving. In this context I find it odd that you did not contradict Pimp’s statistics about the number of people who died after the war burst…don’t those lives matter to you?

And who are YOU to choose what’s good or bad for Iraqis? If you are so preoccupied about the lives of those living under oppressive regimes, why didn’t you or the US Army invade Russia during communism (which btw, was the same period when Saddam was butchering 1.3 million people)? How about comparing that number of Iraqi victims to the 20 million registered only during Stalin’s rule? Or why don’t you invade China now? They have oppressive regime there too….Or Colombia? Or Iran? They ALL “need your help to be saved from their leaders”…I cannot believe my eyes reading your post “we are giving Iraqi civilians a decades worth of income if they accidentally become casualties of a war that IS freeing them.”

Who the hell told you Iraq needed YOUR specific salvation? What gives you the right to choose the destiny of a single man (albeit an entire people) based on your own judgments? Are those judgments completely flawless? Is your idea of freedom perfect? Are you living a perfect freedom in America?

And if the Iraqi people don’t worship your McDonald’s fattened asses because you are killing, torturing, raping and humiliating their relatives, that means they are all stupid and must be imprisoned for having a different opinion? Perhaps in Abu Ghraib, for some special moments of humiliation?

“They die for your right to do so, whether you get it or not..” How exactly do they die? In friendly fire, killed by their own comrades, like in Pat Tillman’s masquerade?

Go to hell, that’s all I can say to a guy who feels no remorse in seeing an innocent child murdered “in the name of freedom”…I wonder, what freedom will that child enjoy in his grave…

Our soldiers families certainly don’t get 10 years worth of income when they fall… but by all means, call them murderers. They die for your right to do so, whether you get it or not..

As to your presumption of my understanding of something you admittedly don’t… How the hell does that work. “I don’t get it so you cant either.” I explained it. If you don’t understand it, it is because you choose not to. Either we are spending billions on this war, or we are making billions on this war “stealing oil”. You cant have it both ways. Pick something to complain about and stick with it. Please demonstrate for me how we are making money on this deal? Show me the money. Show me how PROFIT is our MOTIVATION here. Don’t give me supposition or conspiracy theory. SHOW ME THE MONEY.

Fact, we are LOSING BILLIONS on this war monthly.

Fact, more innocent civilians were being slaughtered by the bathist party before the invasion than have become casualties of the invasion. There is a net GAIN of life in removing the administration that butchered its own people with a savagry I care not to even explore here. Where was your bleeding heart for the innocent Iraqis in 2000 when the innocent death toll under saddam was estimated at 1.3 million (over 23 years averages over 56,000 dead per year)? You self absorbed prat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saddam_Hussein’s_Iraq

Fact: You make up facts. DU has not made ANY hotspots, nor is the cancer rate skyrocketing. What is skyrocketing is medical technology and number of hospitals. The entire world is watching us, including the UAE. If we were irradiating places there would be no way to cover it up you tin foil hat wearing conspiracist.

Fact: You have no idea what a fact is… what you are doing is spreading things you have heard and want to believe. We have no need to use neutron bombs, and considering we THEN went immediately in and physically occupied control of the airport, it would be pretty stupid to use a nuclear device dontcha think? Or do you think at all?

You’re missing the point. bad. And I don’t think you have ANY idea why we’re “still here.” None of us really do. And they aren’t telling. Because if they told you it was for the consolidation of global military power, oil, and wealth, you probably wouldn’t support it. But, the propaganda artists in Washington have their sheep believe it’s for some “noble” cause, like freedom. HAH.

FACT: 6% of the pre-war Iraqi population is DEAD
FACT: the massive amount of Depleted Uranium used in Iraq has sent radiation levels, and cancer rates SKYROCKETING
FACT: (little known) US forces used a NEUTRON BOMB on Iraqi soldiers when taking the Baghdad Airport.

our hands are covered in blood. we have committed genocide.

what?

I’ve read over your post like 4 times and it still makes no sense.

As to us being bloodthirsty murderers. Wow. Name another conflict in history where the invading force compensated collateral damage at ALL.

Name another conflict where the NON-OCCUPATIONAL force acted as a stabilizing one?

The fact of the matter is, that at this moment the greatest hope a family has for a future in Iraq is to have a family member lost as collateral damage.

We are trying to CHANGE that. That is why we are still there.

jenny
http://www.spaml.com

You can’t even bury anybody for $2,500 in this country.
Comment by Roket — June 18, 2007 @ 2:47 pm

That would be the point you are missing.
That US$2500 buys you a certain amount in the US and a certain shitload more in Iraq.

What have you contributed to Mike Gravels Campaign today?
GRAVEL08.us
Comment by oldhack — June 18, 2007 @ 10:40 am

What are you after ?
Somebody to drop by his campaign headquarters and stare at him in a spooky fashion for a few minutes ?

The mayor also told al-’Arabiya that the relatives of al-Janabi insist on not repairing or rebuilding the family house, in which the crime occurred, “so that the home remains a testament to the criminality and savagery of the American forces.”

A man with morals and a new shrine to forever remember the RAPE

http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/3234/IraqiArab_Papers_Monday_Sadr_Attacks_Iran

Seriously, how can you post something that speaks for God about a possible pardon for Libby? And what if Libby is not pardon – will you explain that away with another prophetic message?