Snow Responds To Potentially Illegal Use Of RNC Accounts: Clinton Did It Too
Snow Responds To Potentially Illegal Use Of RNC Accounts: Clinton Did It Too
House Oversight and Government Reform Committee yesterday released a report documenting how White House officials have regularly used RNC and Bush-Cheney ‘04 e-mail accounts for official government business, in apparent violation of the Hatch Act. The report also found that the RNC has overseen “extensive destruction” of these e-mails, which would likely violate the Presidential Records Act.
During yesterday’s press briefing, White House spokesman Tony Snow brushed aside this direct evidence of potential illegality. His response: Clinton did it too. “Those email accounts were set up on a model based on the prior administration, which had done it the same way, in order to try to avoid Hatch Act violations.” Watch it:
Snow’s statement is false. In 1993, President Clinton’s then-Assistant to the President John Podesta issued a staff memo clearly stating that all administration e-mails dealing with official business had to be “incorporated into an official recordkeeping system,” stressing that no “e-mail document that is a Presidential record should be deleted.”
The Clinton administration’s policy also made clear that personal and political e-mail accounts — which are generally exempt from the Presidential Records Act — could not be used for official business. Indeed, the Bush administration has seemingly implemented a policy opposite of the Clinton administration’s.
Read the full memo HERE.
Transcript:
Q Waxman’s committee has put out an interim report on the issue of the RNC emails showing, they say, that there was more use of those emails than the White House suggested, indicating possibly widespread violation of the Presidential Records Act. It’s, like, 140,000 emails of Rove’s, so the White House Counsel’s Office is aware that official business was being conducted through this party (inaudible) system? Can you respond to all that and what –
MR. SNOW: Look, I can’t respond specifically to things that the committee may have put out. But those email accounts were set up, A, on a model based on the prior administration, which had done it the same way, in order to try to avoid Hatch Act violations. And we’ll just — we’ll leave it at that. I mean, these were designed precisely to avoid Hatch Act violations that prohibit the use of government assets for certain political activities.
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No, no no.
Tony Snow was referring to the previous George W. Bush Administration — the one that went from 2001 - 2004. We’re in the second George W. Bush Administration.
GWB#1 did it, so GWB#2 can do it. Couldn’t be plainer than day.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmRoboTroll 3100 reports:
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June 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI think PTF nailed it. TP jumped the gun; Snow was clearly referring to the previous Bush administration.
PTF also nailed the logic:
GWB#1 did it, so GWB#2 can do it. Couldn’t be plainer than day.
Well done.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:51 pmProve it Tony. Clinton-era emails (if you’re not full of shite like usual) should still be around somewhere.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:51 pmThe facts are obvious. This is and has been a runaway criminal administration that has been allowed to perpetrate any crime it chooses to, and with the exception of Scooter Libby (who will no doubt be pardoned), has and will not be tried and punished for their crimes. Why, because the government of this country is broken and may never function properly again. Time will tell.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pmThe Clinton Administration also blocked access to those external e-mail accounts from the White House computers. Sort of the opposite of how this program worked under Bush.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pmSo he just admitted to deliberately avoiding the Hatch Act. WOW what an idiot.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:53 pmMore brazen illegality.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:55 pmEveryday I read these blogs to find one thing the Republican Party or the Bush Crime Family can tell the truth about. Nothing yet.
Q: What is conservatism?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:56 pmA: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.
Q: What is wrong with conservatism?
A: Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world.
SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!??
They just walk in lock step. Trolls unite under your universal excuse!!!
CLINTON DID IT TOO!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:56 pmDAMN Tony!!!! Are you so lost that you have to fall back on the troll’s only line of defense (Clinton did it too!). I expected better from you somehow. Must be the chemo.
Do I hear Faux NoNooz calling you back? Maybe you need to take their offer, before they give the next plum job to Ted Stevens or Steven Griles or Ms. Goody Goodling or any of the other scumbags from the WH.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:57 pmYeah, whatever. A memo is always a memo. The fact is that Clinton did just the same thing.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:57 pmHell, Tony already denied saying that there was nothing improper going on in the DOJ, and we even have him on TV saying just that. Does anyone still think he doesn’t lie? He says one thing, and when it turns out to be false (or more usually, we catch on that he lied about it) he simply denies ever having said it.
And what’s worse, not one of those reporters in that little room EVER calls him on it. Just once I’d like someone with a tape of his drivel stand up and say “Respectfully, sir. You’re lying.”
June 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pmHey Maf54, where is your proof, exactly???
June 19th, 2007 at 1:59 pmhmm, was there any follow-up to his question.
oh, that’s right. this is the white house press corpse.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pmif you took a hundred monkeys, gave them a hundred typewriters, and gave them a hundred years to try to write a contemptible character Aaron Sorkin could use in a political drama, they’d probably write up someone as jaw-droppingly stupid as Tony Snow.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pm#14: As Tony says, those email accounts were set up on a model based on the prior administration, which had done it the same way, in order to try to avoid Hatch Act violations.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI don’t care if he Is sick.. He’s still a lieing piece of crap.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pm#17-Hey dumbass. When did Clinton delete all those emails? You moron.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:01 pmTony is ILL with cancer, yet he CONTINUES TO LIE to the American public,
while God WATCHES him do it…
June 19th, 2007 at 2:01 pmYeah, whatever. A memo is always a memo. The fact is that Clinton did just the same thing.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Who cares if Clinton did? I voted against him too. There is no murder case in the country where the defense uses the excuse..”Well this guy murders people too, so you should let me go.” I’m not going to buy that from Tony Snowjob either.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:01 pmThe fact is that Clinton did just the same thing.
Comment by MAF54
Why don’t you post proof of your “fact” then?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pmOtherwise you are just full of sh*t, pedophile-troll.
#19: When did this administration delete any e-mails?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pm#18 and of course, if Tony says it, it must be true?? Kinda like whatever Rusher or Haniteehee or glen beck says must be true too?
If so, then I really feel your pain, 54
June 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pmHis colostomy bag needs changing.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pm#17. Clinton’s policy was different because there was NO ACCESS to the external accounts from the White House.
Citing Tony “We never said ’stay the course’” Snow for your proof is laughable.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pmAnybody in the press room have the balls to call Tony on his lies?!?!?!?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pmIs that all Snowjob can do?? Pass the buck??
Blaming Clinton is the ONLY thing any Rethug CAN do with the abysmal performance of their administration.
There is not ONE SINGULAR ACCOMPLISHMENT these guys can sing the praises of since everything The Chimp & Co touch turns to crapola.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmWhen has the TRUTH ever mattered to SnowJob? He missed his calling as a used car salesman- an especially condescending, sleazy one.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmoh, wait- being the “Press Secretary” for this Administration IS, being a used-car salesman. A used car no one wants anymore.
And, with Snow’s recurrent cancer, it’s clear that he’s sold his soul to the devil, lock, stock & barrel! He won’t be around too much longer.
Speaking of which: What’s up with McCain’s melanoma which has returned? I doubt that he has 4 years to serve with what he’s got going on.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:05 pmThey really should stop trying to justify their behavior by modeling a president who was impeached.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:05 pm#26: Well, if Tony’s that wrong, why’s nobody calling him on it? Hmmm? Maybe it’s because he’s not wrong.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pmAnd, with Snow’s recurrent cancer, it’s clear that he’s sold his soul to the devil,
WTF? Were you the guy who actually believed in karma?
There’s some liberal compassion for you…
June 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pmWhen did this administration delete any e-mails?
Comment by MAF54
The MSM news even covered that… except for Faux Snewz.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pmSorry your GOP handler didn’t update your talking points.
what a Freaking Moron you are.
I say to Tony Snowjob: PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!
The People HAVE the proof of this gigantic cover-up and destruction of email…..not to mention the illegality of merely having such an account to violate the Pres. Records Act. Clearly, the procurement of these accounts, along with those who “knew” and thus permitted these accounts (Gonzocchio, Bushitcocchio, and Cheneyocchio????)….Off to jail with the whole sorry lot!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pmYeah, whatever. A memo is always a memo. The fact is that Clinton did just the same thing.
Comment by MAF54
And a cigar is just a cigar. And a crook is always a crook. Next talking point please?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pmWhen you ask Tony Snow a question, you have to expect he’s going to lie to you. That’s what Bush appointed him to do.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI thought the repubs hated clinton so much??Why do they always say he did it first like little kids?I guess it’s hard to put blame on yourself?Why can’t this whole damn white house staff down to the cooks just be impeached??
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmAnd, with Snow’s recurrent cancer, it’s clear that he’s sold his soul to the devil, lock, stock & barrel! He won’t be around too much longer.
Speaking of which: What’s up with McCain’s melanoma which has returned? I doubt that he has 4 years to serve with what he’s got going on.
Comment by veritas — June 19, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Well if they were Democrats and I was a Christianopublican, I’d say it was God punishing them for feeding us sh*t.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pm#34: Ok. Show me the links to main stream media like the New York Times or Washington Post.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmWayne: No one here watches or listens to the MSM any longer. I won’t even purchase a newspaper because it’s filled with nothing but propaganda…..and pure lies. Do yourself a HUGE favor and eleminate the fake news channels from your television listings.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pm23- Aren’t you keeping up? Rove and 88 WH employees were using these accounts outside the law and they can only find 130 of them. KKKarl Rove is missing 140,000+ emails.
You really should turn off FAUXNOIZ and that lard assed, drug addled, gas bag and read a book.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmPlease don’t say “Snow’s statement is false.”
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmTony Snow flat-out lied - and he knows it. Let’s use the correct language when describing the actions of these bastards.
We are living under a dictatorship. It’s only a Democracy in name. We need to impeach Bush and Cheney, NOW~
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmAgain, LIARS and TRAITORS to the USA.
That’s BushCrimeCo, Inc.
LYING in the PRESENCE of the Almighty God COULD be hazardous, Tony…
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmMAF54 is an innocuously irrelevant troll who doesn’t deserve to even be addressed - no less debated with.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pm#32. I called him on it, so he’s wrong.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmA memo is always a memo. The fact is that Clinton did just the same thing.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Prove it, Congressman Foley.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmWhich leads me to ask, again, do the misdeeds of previous administrations mitigate the misdeeds of another?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:10 pm#45: Tony’s time will be brief - one foot on a banana peel and the other foot in the grave. There is NO doubt that his level of personal contamination and “complicity” in these lies against the people is contributing to his early demise. Oh well….although we wish this on no one, one always has the power of “free will” and “choice” to go down the personal path of self-destruction.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:10 pm#46: Awww… did I touch a nerve there? A progressive liberal was caught gloating at the misfortune of a thinking, feeling human being having cancer. What a posterboy for liberalism.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pm#49 Of course not but that’s the ONLY CARD left in the hands of these sicko Republicans at this point. All of their other cards are “jokers” because their leader is the Supreme Joker on the planet.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pmWhat a pathetic bunch of administration officials these clowns are!
It is obvious that the INSANE are “running” our country, and the more you hear them, the more you realize how dumbed down the country leaders are!
Why does anyone bother to show up to these ELEMENTARY SCHOOL “press conferences” when all you hear are lies, distortions and just plain ignorant statements?!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pmWe must hear what President Clinton has to say about this. His statement, I’m sure, will clear this up. It’s the only one that counts.
Former President and your sheep, are you out there??
June 19th, 2007 at 2:12 pmMy mom used to say, “…and if your friend jumped off a bridge, would you jump off the bridge too?”
June 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#41: Damn. Have you also retreated to a cabin in the mountains somewhere near Denver? You’re consciously cutting yourself off the main stream media and are reading just the kind of news that support your own political views? Ever heard of bias?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pmWhen did this administration delete any e-mails?
Comment by MAF54
They didn’t turn them over to congress and said months later that they are unable to retrieve and/or locate them. Should we just impeach the entire administration on charges of aggravated mopery then.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pmDo yourself a HUGE favor and eleminate the fake news channels from your television listings.
Comment by veritas
Sorry, I keep up with all news, msm and independant, blogs, etc. (except Faux)
June 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pmWhy should I limit my sources of information?
That would be limiting history reading/study to one book author.
America is dumbed down enough already.
For openers, one must include Snowjob in the collection of “thinking, feeling human beings”, eh? Most intelligent folks recognize that he neither thinks before he speaks (or he wouldn’t engage is pure drivel) and certainly doesn’t “feel” as evidenced by his capricious, cavalier tone and tenor while lying.
As for being classified as a “human being”, I believe the jury’s already in on that count: Snowjob is a totally empty shell, a sycophant, a bottom feeder….belong the genus “amoeba”.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pmSnow’s view of Republican integrity: Two wrongs makes a right.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pmMAF54 is an innocuously irrelevant troll who doesn’t deserve to even be addressed - no less debated with.
Comment by veritas — June 19, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
You’re right, Veritas. My apologies. Congressman Foley lured me in with the most appealing bait in the troll tackle box — the easily refuted statement of “Fact”.
I should know better.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pmAnybody in the press room have the balls to call Tony on his lies?!?!?!?
Comment by mark
The press corp is complicit in the crimes of this administration. When Bush leaves office they need to be evaluated for their lack of oversight and held accountable.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:15 pm“And, with Snow’s recurrent cancer, it’s clear that he’s sold his soul to the devil, lock, stock & barrel! He won’t be around too much longer.”
I don’t think R.U. would see the humor. The big “C” is not something that is partisan; and, as someone who lost a close family member to it, I would ask you to find something else to slam the dickwad with. Lord knows, there’s plenty of available ammo …
June 19th, 2007 at 2:17 pmSnow’s view of Republican integrity: Two wrongs makes a right.
Comment by Armando Gomez
Only if you are republican, they want separate rules for everyone else
June 19th, 2007 at 2:17 pm=)
#58 This was not to imply that one should become mired in quicksand; au contraire, mon ami! This was to imply that more truth can be ferreted out via the internet and it’s global resources. When one engages in this exercise, one not only discovers the enormous bias involved in our MSM but the level of overt propaganda as well. You be the judge, however….find your documented data, report, study, etc. and then see to what degree it is “bastardized” by our sycophant corporate fascist media who is propping this faux administration….and you will discover very rapidly that the MSM has been eclipsed totally and completely by the internet as a source of valid, valuable information and data.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:17 pmclinton’s policy is irrelevant and doesn’t disprove snow’s claim. what matters is whether, indeed, clinton did it, too, and thinkprogress has not disproven that.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pm#61: Don’t apologize to veritas. By his/her own admission, he/she has given up any attempts to get all available information and THEN deciding what to believe in. As you can read above, he/she’s accepting only the kind of news that support his/her existing political views. What a clown.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pmWell, if Tony’s that wrong, why’s nobody calling him on it? Hmmm? Maybe it’s because he’s not wrong.
Comment by MAF54
It’s amazing that you spend so much time at TP and have managed to not learn one thing.
One possibility is that he says things that are so out of left field that the press is agape at his comments. Sometimes, although rarely with this bought and paid for corporate owned media, a reporter will comment on the lie later. But you wouldn’t understand.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pm#65: Calling the internet a valid source of information is just ridiculous. It’s nothing but noise like this site, goatse and all the gazillion blogs where people who have, and will never have, absolutely no impact on our world write about their empty meaningless lives.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pm#67 - nice one bill
asking to definitively disprove a negative
June 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pmBarfly: I concur with you only the extent that it is definitely not something to make jokes about; let’s face it, there is not a family in this country who has not been touched by cancer. As a student of metaphysics, however, I can assure you that what we believe, say, and do translates from our thoughts & actions and telegraphs this directly to the cells in our body; the mind/body is not two separate entities but one holistic unit. Therefore, it is no longer challenged that, just as carcinogenic substances are introduced into our cellular structure via atmosphere, pollution, chemicals, etc., so do our thoughts and actions contaminate our physical being. You really need to educate yourself in order to obtain the full picture before criticizing the scientific data posted by others.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pmBesides, Barfly when did you become the mouthpiece for RU? Just wondering, dude as it is a huge boundary violation on your part.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWHY DON’T reporters ever call Tony Snow on this stuff?
Where was the follow-up? Such as, I dunno, “Prove it”.
God, the White House Press Corps is completely useless. Seriously, what did they say, “Oh, okay, I guess if Clinton did it…”
June 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pm#9
I hard to take your comments seriously when the U.S. is a prime example of conservative AND liberal values creating prosperity and liberty.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWe are living under a dictatorship. It’s only a Democracy in name. We need to impeach Bush and Cheney, NOW~
Comment by Kay
There is no such thing as impeachment in a dictatorship or in a fascist regime. Maybe that is why impeachment is off the table.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pmIf you really listen to what Snow is saying he is not denying or confirming Hatch Act violations or any other illegalities. What he said was that “they were set-up based on the Clinton model in order to avoid any Hatch Act violations.” Just because they were “set-up” that way has no effect on how they were actually used. Whover the Journalist is that asked that question should have followed up. Snow merely deflected and nobody called him on it.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pmSo the village idiot troll believes all he hears on the sycophantic news stations?? Now that’s a dweeb extraordinaire if I’ve ever seen one…hahahahahhahahahah! Talk about being a brainwashed jackass….ROTFLMAO!!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pm“…..write about their empty meaningless lives.”
Comment by MAF54
I was wondering what your point in posting here was all about.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pmClinton was impeached, too.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pmHi Kay! You got it! Let’s get back to the real issue at hand and that is “impeachment”. It’s time to impeach these lying thugs and move forward for a change instead of backwards…..Scandal du jour?? Take your pick!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pmclinton’s policy is irrelevant and doesn’t disprove snow’s claim. what matters is whether, indeed, clinton did it, too, and thinkprogress has not disproven that.
Comment by bill — June 19, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
NO! What matters is: Is what the current administration is doing wrong or not? If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them. Simple. Like you said: “Clinton’s policies are irrelevant”, except you left off: “to whether Bush’s policies are legal, ethical and right.” If you want to go after Clinton for doing the same thing, even though his adminstration is no longer in power, then I’m all for it IF he did the same thing. However, that does not absolve the Bush administration of their crimes.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pm#78: Well, all our lives are meaningless. Some morons just think that it’s nice to create a myspace page and write about the meaningless crap. Just an example.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmWow! The Repugs must think they’re in serious trouble today in sicking all of these vacuuous trolls onto the liberal blogs! I wonder what they know is “coming down the pike” to tank them now?? It must be a biggie! Maybe Sr Guckert/Gannon is finally talking. I’ve heard he is.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmNO! What matters is: Is what the current administration is doing wrong or not? If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.
Ah yes. The black-and-white view of the world of the progressive liberals surfaces again.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:26 pmTwo wrongs never made a right and blaming Clinton is ALL that’s left to say when one is a sycophantic fascist robot. It’s comical to watch they spew their detritus though - a bit of comic relief on these threads.
Just like us in Iraq, the trolls become the single most effective recruiting tool for the Democratic Party. Bring the trolls on - we need some additional comic relief.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:27 pmIt’s nothing but noise like this site, goatse and all the gazillion blogs where people who have, and will never have, absolutely no impact on our world write about their empty meaningless lives.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Interesting, since the Republicans are saying that we are vicious and apparently powerful enough to get people out of office and start investigations into political figures. To hear Fox tell it, we’re the most dangerous threat to the nation.
Doesn’t exactly sound like people who have “absolutely no impact on our world”
June 19th, 2007 at 2:27 pm#85: I don’t think you’ll find it so amusing when the majority of people in 2008 will buy into the Clinton meme.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWhat a shame MAF 54 is only 5′7″ and suffers from “little man syndrome”, isn’t it?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pmClinton’s policies are one thing, his actions are another, TP. Please prove that the former President or his staff actually never hid any emails. I mean, every President’s policy is not to lie to the American people, right?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmAwww… did I touch a nerve there? A progressive liberal was caught gloating at the misfortune of a thinking, feeling human being having cancer. What a posterboy for liberalism.
Comment by MAF54
Your surprise shows your lack of comprehension of a “progressive liberal” mindset. Do you assume we are unwilling to seek revenge against our enemies? You couldn’t be more wrong. We are also willing to sacrifices our lives and our fortunes for the restoration of the Constitution unlike you fascists.
After all, how could we be expected to show more compassion than you bible thumping neocons show. Aren’t you all Christ-like? And you think nothing of the loss of lives as in New Orleans and Iraq just to save yourselves tax dollars or increase oil revenues.
We’re just following your lead. Have fun after the next election, crying in your beer and pissing your pants at the same time.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmYou can bet your bottom dollar that there is nothing but HUGE bad news coming down either today or tomorrow by the level of troll activity….paid and otherwise…..I think it’s sooooo amazingly revealing.
Any guesses on what it might be?? I’ve got a few….
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#86: Don’t mistake such attention for actual concern. It’s just to bury you.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#40 foley wanted to see “links to main stream media like the New York Times or Washington Post.”
from this morning’s FAST thread:
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmLupeyg2 — June 19, 2007 @ 9:34 am
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 06/ 19/ thinkfast-june-19-2007/ #comment-3866026
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Just cuz “Clinton Did It” don’t make any less illegal Tony Boy…
You do realize anything you say can and will be used against, right?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#85: I don’t think you’ll find it so amusing when the majority of people in 2008 will buy into the Clinton meme.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
It wouldn’t surprise me, and we’ll probably have another scandal in the whitehouse in a few years. Doesn’t change anything with regard to Bush. I’d rather have the president getting blown in the whitehouse than killing thousands of people for almost no reason.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pmWe must hear what President Clinton has to say about this. His statement, I’m sure, will clear this up. It’s the only one that counts.
Former President and your sheep, are you out there??
Comment by RamboTroll
Why the name change COMPtroller V8, can’t stand the heat?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pmShane: Attempting intellectual repartee with an idiot troll will only result in anger and frustration; it’s impossible for them to articulate themselves in anything but doubletalk and empty blather. We all view them as “comic relief” and when taken in that vein, coupled with the recruiting they are doing on the blog for the Democratic Party, they become not only tolerable but acutely necessary. When one views them in this fashion, they realize that they have absolutely no power here.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pm#88: Once again, a post completely devoid of any roots in reality. Care to elaboreate where you got that fantasy? Oh right. It’s the same place as the people who’re saying that 9-11 was an inside job and where wearing tin-foil hats is fashionable.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pm“…Just an example.”
Comment by MAF54
You have my condolences.
My life has a lot of meaning,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:32 pmand even when all else seems meaningless,
the simple question of whether or not my existence has any meaning,
is meaningful.
Thanks for the allusion, Katy; of course, it’s been all over the media today but what else could an irrelevant troll spew at this point? It’s just an attempt, albeit transparent, to get a reaction here.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#93: “House Panel Says Records of E-Mails Are Missing”. Missing mails - not deleted mails. There is a difference, you know.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pmHere’s a good one: Tin Foil hats? Now we know that our village idiot troll is also a dinosaur? See, I told you they bring comic relief!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pm#99: “My life has a lot of meaning”. Well, now you see why we are the party who has a grasp on the realities of the life.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmTo ’shane’ - I am new to Thinkprogress.org as a registered dissenter. Thank you, specimen, for your orientation.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmThere’s proof, BTW, from the RNC directly (whistleblowers) that the emails were ordered to be deleted. This is not in question.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pm#90
Clinton’s policies are one thing, his actions are another, TP. Please prove that the former President or his staff actually never hid any emails.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 19, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
You’re a moron. You can’t definitively prove a negative. It’s impossible.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pm#102: Oh, don’t tell me. You believe in both karma AND 9/11 conspiracy? Oh that’s just too funny…
June 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pm#105: Links? Documents? Otherwise it’s just hearsay.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI’ve been taught that there is no “heat to stand” from a liberal. Most of them are weak-minded and terrorist-humping zealots. I am here to have a field-day, simply put.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pmWell, all our lives are meaningless. Some morons just think that it’s nice to create a myspace page and write about the meaningless crap. Just an example.
Comment by MAF54
AGAIN, if the internet is meaningless, why are YOU here?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pm#110: To have fun.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pmSo Tony Faux is a troll now? The usual Clinton did it pablum?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmWho could have predicted THAT?
Ok, hands down now.
Clinton Lied: Monica sighed
Bush Lied: Thousands DIED! There is, has been, and always be a massive difference between Clinton and George Bush. For openers, I don’t think you could pay someone to give this dude a BJ.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmIf Snow says it, 30% of the population will believe him without question. And the more blatant the lie, the more fervant their belief. The trolls here are living proof of that.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pm“Well, now you see why we are the party who has a grasp on the realities of the life.”
Comment by MAF54
Sorry, I don’t go to those kinds of parties. Grasping things, and all…
June 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pm2000 - Bush Admin: “We aren’t going be anything like the Clinton Adminsitration” (Ain’t that the truth)
2007 - Bush Admin: “Clinton did it TOO!!!!”
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmGreat point, Shane!! Score one for Shane - you got that pedophile right where it hurts. WHAT IS ONE WHO DISCOUNTS THE EFFECT OF THE INTERNET DOING BLOGGING IN THE FIRST PLACE???
Comic relief at it’s most primo!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pm#113: Clinton lied and he should have paid for it. Bush has not lied and for all the deaths you should blame the islamofascists who’re hellbent on destroying the western civilization. Wake the hell up.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmNO! What matters is: Is what the current administration is doing wrong or not? If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.
Ah yes. The black-and-white view of the world of the progressive liberals surfaces again.
Comment by MAF54
Quite the non sequiter, Mr. Foley. What little boy did you have on your brain when you typed this piece of nonsense?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmComment by Lupeyg2
I assume you’ve misunderstood me. In proof that the administration never actually committed the offenses in question, this website offers only a mere representation of policy, and that is not sound. One would have to do a more thorough investigation, which Thinkprogress.org is not authorized to do. They are simply a hollow-fixture of an interest group.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pm#66 I think what matters is whether bill blows goats, and he hasn’t disproven that.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:41 pmAw shucks….now score one for me! I managed to get our idiot troll riled up, did I? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ROTHLMAO BIG TIME!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:41 pm#117: As I already said, I’m here just to kill time and have fun. Just to distract myself from the general meaninglessness of the human life.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:41 pm#119: “If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.”
What? You don’t call that black-and-white reasoning?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pmWhat a shame MAF 54 is only 5′7″ and suffers from “little man syndromeâ€, isn’t it?
Comment by veritas
From the sound of his rants, his “little man syndrome” is related to another issue, probably in addition to his 5′7″ stature. And yes, size matters.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmThe sad fact of reality is that Bush’s legacy, as well as the legacy of the self-destructing GOP is that it is, by far, THE WORST presidency ever in the history of this country.
The GOP is a group of lying criminals and hell will freeze over before they occupy the white house again.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmI wonder what fills the place where his soul should be.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pm#125: “size matters”. You must be an expert on the “male size”, then. Fag.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmMAF54,
Short of Ron Paul, your party has completely lost its way!!!!
Curb Spending - NO
Smaller Government - NO
Curb Debt - NO
The party of Roosevelt, Lincoln, and Eisenhower, has lost its grip on the power of corporate america which all of these Presidents spoke so eloquently about.
Beyond social issues, stem cell research, abortion, gay rights - your party has nothing left to run on. And when it comes to all of those issues, your party finds itself in the minority.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmYes, indeedy-do, size does matter. That old wive’s tale along with the archaic belief systems of the DinosaurGOP was customized to assuage their frail egos. I presume the latter, as you’ve said….dimunitive in every way: intellect, body size, and other sizes.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmMAF54,
“FAG” *sigh* ah the party of inclusion.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:45 pmThe current GOP is one very small, necrotic group of individuals who enjoy engaging in mental masturbation as a ego-enhancing exercise….(yawn)….I’ve had enough comic relief for one afternoon….later, TP buds.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pmWell, if “Clinton did it too” that means a full scale investigation MUST be opened at once.
In Fact, its OVER DUE!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pm#123
#117: As I already said, I’m here just to kill time and have fun. Just to distract myself from the general meaninglessness of the human life.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
He doesn’t know what to do since being kicked off of MySpace after his little kiddie-hunting “incident”.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmAs I already said, I’m here just to kill time and have fun. Just to distract myself from the general meaninglessness of the human life.
Comment by MAF54
What a sad, lonely, sorry excuse for a human you must be then.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmWe will have to remember to ignore your childish, idiotic posts then.
Front page headlines on http://www.huffingtonpost.com today states that “Bloomberg believes US in real trouble”…. I’d believe him over anything Snowflake utters any day of the week. Check it out.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmTony Snow? Who, outside of the Washington press corps, pays any attention to that lying dirtbag?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmI see the Reperv troll is back.
Humping teenage boys is NOT a family value, perv.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmThe logic runs like this:
1. We set up off-site e-mails to avoid Hatch Act restrictions. See: that way our ‘administration/politico’ guys can be working for the RNC while on the Gov’ment’s dime without contraverting Hatch. (kinda sorta)
2. We then used the off-site e-mails to conduct administration business that we didn’t want there to be a readily accessible electron-trail. See: that way our political hacks could influence administration hiring/firing policy without leaving fingerprints. If only those damn cowardly purged attorneys had kept their mouths shut. Oh shit, did I say that last part out loud.
Glad I could help.
Prof. G. E. Challenger
P.S.: Did I mention: JFK did it too!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pmBush has not lied
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2005/ 12/ 20/ bush-caught-on-tape/
Bush lies all the time. Here is but one documented example.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pm#135: You’re welcome to just that. Just as you’re free to enjoy your meaningless life believing in some divine meaning or reward in the after-life for the good, progressive things you’ve done in your lifetime.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmNO! What matters is: Is what the current administration is doing wrong or not? If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.
Ah yes. The black-and-white view of the world of the progressive liberals surfaces again.
Comment by MAF54
Oh, so you think that even if someone in the Bush admin did something wrong, he SHOULDN’T be punished?? Is that it?
Well, what can we expect from someone who apparently still believes Bush never lied. You might as well have said “Day is night” as an equally convincing argument. It’s amazing.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmMAF54 sez:
Yes, she probably is, dolt.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmI find it very difficult that President Clinton would use an E-mail system controlled by the republican National Committee. I guess it all depends on what your definition of “it” is.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmThe Washington Press CORPSE.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pm“Bush has not lied”
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good One!
“you should blame the islamofascists who’re hellbent on destroying the western civilization.”
Oh… did they supply the bombs dropped from US planes onto Iraqi neighborhoods?
“Wake the hell up.”
Good Morning!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pm#142: There’s lying and “lying”. Just think of national security. You can’t answer all questions truthfully because there’s the security aspect. State secrets and all.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pm“If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.â€
What? You don’t call that black-and-white reasoning?
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Why is that the only place right-wingnuts see shades of gray is in issues of criminal behavior and punishment?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pm“Bush has not lied
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm”
WHAT????
You can bet that if he is speaking, he is LYING!!!!
About 40 or more “stay the course” comments……
Then he says…. “I have never been a stay the course person”….
Take those blinders off buddy……. OH, and turn up that hearing aid…..
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pm#146: No. they did not supply the bombs. They just flew a few planes into a couple buildings and now they keep blowing up people in Israel, Afghanistan and Iraq.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmMAF54 = pedophile
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pm#121 Comment by RamboTroll — June 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Yes, but you are asking something that is impossible. I do see what you’re saying, though. Snow isn’t claiming that Clinton deleted emails, like the Bush admin has done…he is simply saying that their policy is “on a model based on the prior administration, which had done it the same way, in order to try to avoid Hatch Act violations.”
He again dishonestly skirts another question.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pmTony Snow? Who, outside of the Washington press corps, pays any attention to that lying dirtbag?
Comment by Arthur C. — June 19, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Unfortunately, just under 30% of the population. It bothers me that if I look at ten people, three of them don’t have a grasp of logic.
Actually it’s probably under that number because they no doubt group together, dropping the average in other places. At least one would hope.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pm#147. The deeper the secrecy the greater the crime that are being covered up. A democracy cannot exist with the kind of fear mongering and lies of this administration. You are one of the fools, the 28%, who still buy this bullshit.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pmWhy does this Administration always blame someone else for their crimes. It’s getting old to hear Clinton did it. Next we’ll be told Clinton ordered the illegally invasion of Iraq and allowed 3500 soldiers to die. It will be Clinton’s fault that the US Treasury is broke. Gonzales didn’t do it, it was Clinton. Tony Snow needs a pay check so he’d say Harry Potter did it.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pm“They just flew a few planes into a couple buildings and now they keep blowing up people in Israel, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:53 pm”
That’s why so many Americans are trying to IMPEACH this administration…….
So we don’t have to worry about them doing this anymore…..
Our greatest threats are NOT anyone from outside the US, it is those sitting at 1600 Pennsylvania ave.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pm#153: There is a fault to your logic. Not everyone in that 30% believes Tony. Having them in power just serves us better.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pm“They just flew a few planes into a couple buildings and now they keep blowing up people in Israel, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:53 pmâ€
You talking about the PNAC and the fascist pig thugs of the crime family?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmWhen one views them in this fashion, they realize that they have absolutely no power here.
Comment by veritas
True veritas, I find arguing with trolls cathartic. H. L. Mencken said “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. ” Apparently many Democrats didn’t heed this warning during the last two presidential elections. Reading the posts of neocon trolls gives insight into the lack of intelligence of the Republican base since most reasonable people have already jumped of this bandwagon.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#153: There is a fault to your logic. Not everyone in that 30% believes Tony. Having them in power just serves us better.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Better than what? A porcupine up the a**?? That’s a tough call right now…. Bush administration….. porcupine up the a***!! Hmm…
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmkasinca,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmMuslims never commit violence.
They are peaceful and tolerant!
MAF54 is Mark Foley’s nick.
This troll likes teenage boys.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmClinton lied and he should have paid for it. Bush has not lied and for all the deaths you should blame the islamofascists who’re hellbent on destroying the western civilization. Wake the hell up.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Am I being punked??
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmThe solution is to have an Islamic Republic in America!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pm#160: Better than you weak dems. Yeah. That’s almost as bad as a porcupine up the ass.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmBuggering teenage boys, there’s your Reouke troll moral values.
Typical inbred scumbag.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmHere is Bush NOT LYING….
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 10/ 22/ bush-stay-the-course/
BUSH: We will stay the course. [8/30/06]
BUSH: We will stay the course, we will complete the job in Iraq. [8/4/05]
BUSH: We will stay the course until the job is done, Steve. And the temptation is to try to get the President or somebody to put a timetable on the definition of getting the job done. We’re just going to stay the course. [12/15/03]
BUSH: And my message today to those in Iraq is: We’ll stay the course. [4/13/04]
BUSH: And that’s why we’re going to stay the course in Iraq. And that’s why when we say something in Iraq, we’re going to do it. [4/16/04]
BUSH: And so we’ve got tough action in Iraq. But we will stay the course. [4/5/04]
Digg It!
Full transcript:
STEPHANOPOULOS: James Baker says that he’s looking for something between “cut and run†and “stay the course.â€
BUSH: Well, hey, listen, we’ve never been “stay the course,†George. We have been — we will complete the mission, we will do our job, and help achieve the goal, but we’re constantly adjusting to tactics. Constantly.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pm#159. Reading the ignorant posts of the reichwingnut trolls reinforces my belief that the last two presidential elections were stolen. There is not way the conservative can win without cheating and lying.
Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI am new to Thinkprogress.org as a registered dissenter. Thank you, specimen, for your orientation.
Comment by RamboTroll
I don’t think so, CT.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmSince the people who say Clinton lied are known degenerates, there’s no reason to believe Clinton lied. In fact, it’s irrational to believe anything bad you hear about a Democrat.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vucl1nPEg4Y
shane sez:
Spot on, shane. Good catch.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmTom3: You seem to be having quite an obsession with young boys and ass. Try to get some help.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmWhy is that the only place right-wingnuts see shades of gray is in issues of criminal behavior and punishment?
Comment by mikey r — June 19, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
Good point mikey! May I insert a qualifier in there though? How’s this:
Why is it that the only place right-wingnuts see shades of gray is in issues of Republican criminal behavior and in punishment of Republicans?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pm#162, you talking about the Saudis or the thugs in the Bush Crime Family?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmMAF54,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmYou are aliar!
There is no Muslims violence.
Violence is against Islamic rules.
The CIA is behind it along with the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate!
Jiahd is a peaceful inner struggle!
#167: If Bush was lying, someone would have called him on it. Has anyone done that? No. Therefore Bush is not lying.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmkasinca,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmMuslims are peaceful and never commit violence!
Why is anyone bothering with ex-Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL)?
He’s a confessed pedophile and he’s not even making any sense. Ignore him. Ignore all trolls –Valiant Anus, Mr. Roboto… they must have gotten some word of a bonus program at RNC headquarters and so they’re swarming like little girls on Orlando Bloom.
Ignore ‘em.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pm#160: Better than you weak dems. Yeah. That’s almost as bad as a porcupine up the ass.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
Dems aren’t the only ones who think Bush is a criminal. If you can’t even pull your head out far enough to notice there are other people out there than Republicans and Democrats, you’ve got problems no one can solve.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmYou know that the Republics are running scared when they say “Clinton did it too”. So Mr. Snow, if Clinton did it, did he also destroy all of the e-mails (you know, like 140,000 e-mails by Karl Rove).
I just don’t understand how Tony Snow can stand in front of cameras every day and tell lies. That’s probably why he has cancer. His body is so tired of his lies, it has turned on him. He must be without a conscience and without a soul, because if he had either, he would not be sleeping at night.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmSee more about North Korea.
Photos and videos from a trip last August 2006, of a Portuguese journalist.
http://coreiadonorte.wordpress.com
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmMAF54 sez:
This from the guy who calls himself “MAF54″.
Projection must be a 100 level required course over at Troll University.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pm177. You are missing my point. I am saying that this can all be traced back to the WH.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmAs I already said, I’m here just to kill time and have fun. Just to distract myself from the general meaninglessness of the human life.
Comment by MAF54
Effing liar. Who in their right mind puts themself in just the right position for people to shit on their head? Hopefully you’re getting paid, otherwise you need help.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pm“If Bush was lying, someone would have called him on it. Has anyone done that? No. Therefore Bush is not lying.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:08 pm”
You are about as IGNORANT as they come……..
That is like saying that if a person was j-walking did not get a ticket for it then it was not j-walking…..
IDIOT!!!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmMAF54,
Bush lied when he said” Islam is the religion of peace.”
He’s a liar in the Saudi’s back pockets.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pmJust like the Democrats are in the back pockets of Iran.
The Muslims control this country so when you vote Republican or Democrat you’re voting Shia or Sunni!
Besides the fact that no one has produced any evidence that they did, why is it relevant if the Clinton administration did this or not. Since when is breaking the law excused by precedence in or outside of a courtroom. This a very weak argument.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pm125: “size mattersâ€. You must be an expert on the “male sizeâ€, then. Fag.
Comment by MAF54
I’m a woman, Einstein. Quite the thinker aren’t you?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThere is a fault to your logic. Comment by MAF54
Oh, that is funny as hell.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pmIf your posts are any indication, you wouldn’t know logic if it fell on your pointy head and stuck there.
RoboTroll 3100 weighs in:
Congressman Foley is correct in post #176: “If Bush was lying, someone would have called him on it. Has anyone done that? No. Therefore Bush is not lying”
This argument can also be modified to prove that there was no leak of a CIA agent’s identity: President Bush pledged to fire anyone involved in the leak. He has not done so. Therefore, no leak occurred.
It’s only logical.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pmI just don’t understand how Tony Snow can stand in front of cameras every day and tell lies.
and
Who in their right mind puts themself in just the right position for people to shit on their head?
Why am I here. Why is Tony standing out there?
Because it’s fun to make you so mad all the while knowing that in the long term, it doesn’t really matter what we do in our l