Snow Responds To Potentially Illegal Use Of RNC Accounts: Clinton Did It Too
Snow Responds To Potentially Illegal Use Of RNC Accounts: Clinton Did It Too
House Oversight and Government Reform Committee yesterday released a report documenting how White House officials have regularly used RNC and Bush-Cheney ‘04 e-mail accounts for official government business, in apparent violation of the Hatch Act. The report also found that the RNC has overseen “extensive destruction” of these e-mails, which would likely violate the Presidential Records Act.
During yesterday’s press briefing, White House spokesman Tony Snow brushed aside this direct evidence of potential illegality. His response: Clinton did it too. “Those email accounts were set up on a model based on the prior administration, which had done it the same way, in order to try to avoid Hatch Act violations.” Watch it:
Snow’s statement is false. In 1993, President Clinton’s then-Assistant to the President John Podesta issued a staff memo clearly stating that all administration e-mails dealing with official business had to be “incorporated into an official recordkeeping system,” stressing that no “e-mail document that is a Presidential record should be deleted.”
The Clinton administration’s policy also made clear that personal and political e-mail accounts — which are generally exempt from the Presidential Records Act — could not be used for official business. Indeed, the Bush administration has seemingly implemented a policy opposite of the Clinton administration’s.
Read the full memo HERE.
Transcript:
Q Waxman’s committee has put out an interim report on the issue of the RNC emails showing, they say, that there was more use of those emails than the White House suggested, indicating possibly widespread violation of the Presidential Records Act. It’s, like, 140,000 emails of Rove’s, so the White House Counsel’s Office is aware that official business was being conducted through this party (inaudible) system? Can you respond to all that and what –
MR. SNOW: Look, I can’t respond specifically to things that the committee may have put out. But those email accounts were set up, A, on a model based on the prior administration, which had done it the same way, in order to try to avoid Hatch Act violations. And we’ll just — we’ll leave it at that. I mean, these were designed precisely to avoid Hatch Act violations that prohibit the use of government assets for certain political activities.
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No, no no.
Tony Snow was referring to the previous George W. Bush Administration — the one that went from 2001 – 2004. We’re in the second George W. Bush Administration.
GWB#1 did it, so GWB#2 can do it. Couldn’t be plainer than day.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmRoboTroll 3100 reports:
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June 19th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI think PTF nailed it. TP jumped the gun; Snow was clearly referring to the previous Bush administration.
PTF also nailed the logic:
GWB#1 did it, so GWB#2 can do it. Couldn’t be plainer than day.
Well done.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:51 pmProve it Tony. Clinton-era emails (if you’re not full of shite like usual) should still be around somewhere.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:51 pmThe facts are obvious. This is and has been a runaway criminal administration that has been allowed to perpetrate any crime it chooses to, and with the exception of Scooter Libby (who will no doubt be pardoned), has and will not be tried and punished for their crimes. Why, because the government of this country is broken and may never function properly again. Time will tell.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pmThe Clinton Administration also blocked access to those external e-mail accounts from the White House computers. Sort of the opposite of how this program worked under Bush.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:52 pmSo he just admitted to deliberately avoiding the Hatch Act. WOW what an idiot.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:53 pmMore brazen illegality.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:55 pmEveryday I read these blogs to find one thing the Republican Party or the Bush Crime Family can tell the truth about. Nothing yet.
Q: What is conservatism?
June 19th, 2007 at 1:56 pmA: Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy.
Q: What is wrong with conservatism?
A: Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world.
SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!??
They just walk in lock step. Trolls unite under your universal excuse!!!
CLINTON DID IT TOO!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:56 pmDAMN Tony!!!! Are you so lost that you have to fall back on the troll’s only line of defense (Clinton did it too!). I expected better from you somehow. Must be the chemo.
Do I hear Faux NoNooz calling you back? Maybe you need to take their offer, before they give the next plum job to Ted Stevens or Steven Griles or Ms. Goody Goodling or any of the other scumbags from the WH.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:57 pmYeah, whatever. A memo is always a memo. The fact is that Clinton did just the same thing.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:57 pmHell, Tony already denied saying that there was nothing improper going on in the DOJ, and we even have him on TV saying just that. Does anyone still think he doesn’t lie? He says one thing, and when it turns out to be false (or more usually, we catch on that he lied about it) he simply denies ever having said it.
And what’s worse, not one of those reporters in that little room EVER calls him on it. Just once I’d like someone with a tape of his drivel stand up and say “Respectfully, sir. You’re lying.”
June 19th, 2007 at 1:58 pmHey Maf54, where is your proof, exactly???
June 19th, 2007 at 1:59 pmhmm, was there any follow-up to his question.
oh, that’s right. this is the white house press corpse.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pmif you took a hundred monkeys, gave them a hundred typewriters, and gave them a hundred years to try to write a contemptible character Aaron Sorkin could use in a political drama, they’d probably write up someone as jaw-droppingly stupid as Tony Snow.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pm#14: As Tony says, those email accounts were set up on a model based on the prior administration, which had done it the same way, in order to try to avoid Hatch Act violations.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI don’t care if he Is sick.. He’s still a lieing piece of crap.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pm#17-Hey dumbass. When did Clinton delete all those emails? You moron.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:01 pmTony is ILL with cancer, yet he CONTINUES TO LIE to the American public,
while God WATCHES him do it…
June 19th, 2007 at 2:01 pmYeah, whatever. A memo is always a memo. The fact is that Clinton did just the same thing.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Who cares if Clinton did? I voted against him too. There is no murder case in the country where the defense uses the excuse..”Well this guy murders people too, so you should let me go.” I’m not going to buy that from Tony Snowjob either.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:01 pmThe fact is that Clinton did just the same thing.
Comment by MAF54
Why don’t you post proof of your “fact” then?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pmOtherwise you are just full of sh*t, pedophile-troll.
#19: When did this administration delete any e-mails?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pm#18 and of course, if Tony says it, it must be true?? Kinda like whatever Rusher or Haniteehee or glen beck says must be true too?
If so, then I really feel your pain, 54
June 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pmHis colostomy bag needs changing.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pm#17. Clinton’s policy was different because there was NO ACCESS to the external accounts from the White House.
Citing Tony “We never said ’stay the course’” Snow for your proof is laughable.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pmAnybody in the press room have the balls to call Tony on his lies?!?!?!?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:03 pmIs that all Snowjob can do?? Pass the buck??
Blaming Clinton is the ONLY thing any Rethug CAN do with the abysmal performance of their administration.
There is not ONE SINGULAR ACCOMPLISHMENT these guys can sing the praises of since everything The Chimp & Co touch turns to crapola.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmWhen has the TRUTH ever mattered to SnowJob? He missed his calling as a used car salesman- an especially condescending, sleazy one.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pmoh, wait- being the “Press Secretary” for this Administration IS, being a used-car salesman. A used car no one wants anymore.
And, with Snow’s recurrent cancer, it’s clear that he’s sold his soul to the devil, lock, stock & barrel! He won’t be around too much longer.
Speaking of which: What’s up with McCain’s melanoma which has returned? I doubt that he has 4 years to serve with what he’s got going on.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:05 pmThey really should stop trying to justify their behavior by modeling a president who was impeached.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:05 pm#26: Well, if Tony’s that wrong, why’s nobody calling him on it? Hmmm? Maybe it’s because he’s not wrong.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pmAnd, with Snow’s recurrent cancer, it’s clear that he’s sold his soul to the devil,
WTF? Were you the guy who actually believed in karma?
There’s some liberal compassion for you…
June 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pmWhen did this administration delete any e-mails?
Comment by MAF54
The MSM news even covered that… except for Faux Snewz.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pmSorry your GOP handler didn’t update your talking points.
what a Freaking Moron you are.
I say to Tony Snowjob: PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!
The People HAVE the proof of this gigantic cover-up and destruction of email…..not to mention the illegality of merely having such an account to violate the Pres. Records Act. Clearly, the procurement of these accounts, along with those who “knew” and thus permitted these accounts (Gonzocchio, Bushitcocchio, and Cheneyocchio????)….Off to jail with the whole sorry lot!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pmYeah, whatever. A memo is always a memo. The fact is that Clinton did just the same thing.
Comment by MAF54
And a cigar is just a cigar. And a crook is always a crook. Next talking point please?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pmWhen you ask Tony Snow a question, you have to expect he’s going to lie to you. That’s what Bush appointed him to do.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI thought the repubs hated clinton so much??Why do they always say he did it first like little kids?I guess it’s hard to put blame on yourself?Why can’t this whole damn white house staff down to the cooks just be impeached??
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmAnd, with Snow’s recurrent cancer, it’s clear that he’s sold his soul to the devil, lock, stock & barrel! He won’t be around too much longer.
Speaking of which: What’s up with McCain’s melanoma which has returned? I doubt that he has 4 years to serve with what he’s got going on.
Comment by veritas — June 19, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Well if they were Democrats and I was a Christianopublican, I’d say it was God punishing them for feeding us sh*t.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pm#34: Ok. Show me the links to main stream media like the New York Times or Washington Post.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmWayne: No one here watches or listens to the MSM any longer. I won’t even purchase a newspaper because it’s filled with nothing but propaganda…..and pure lies. Do yourself a HUGE favor and eleminate the fake news channels from your television listings.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pm23- Aren’t you keeping up? Rove and 88 WH employees were using these accounts outside the law and they can only find 130 of them. KKKarl Rove is missing 140,000+ emails.
You really should turn off FAUXNOIZ and that lard assed, drug addled, gas bag and read a book.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmPlease don’t say “Snow’s statement is false.”
June 19th, 2007 at 2:08 pmTony Snow flat-out lied – and he knows it. Let’s use the correct language when describing the actions of these bastards.
We are living under a dictatorship. It’s only a Democracy in name. We need to impeach Bush and Cheney, NOW~
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmAgain, LIARS and TRAITORS to the USA.
That’s BushCrimeCo, Inc.
LYING in the PRESENCE of the Almighty God COULD be hazardous, Tony…
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmMAF54 is an innocuously irrelevant troll who doesn’t deserve to even be addressed – no less debated with.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pm#32. I called him on it, so he’s wrong.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmA memo is always a memo. The fact is that Clinton did just the same thing.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Prove it, Congressman Foley.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:09 pmWhich leads me to ask, again, do the misdeeds of previous administrations mitigate the misdeeds of another?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:10 pm#45: Tony’s time will be brief – one foot on a banana peel and the other foot in the grave. There is NO doubt that his level of personal contamination and “complicity” in these lies against the people is contributing to his early demise. Oh well….although we wish this on no one, one always has the power of “free will” and “choice” to go down the personal path of self-destruction.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:10 pm#46: Awww… did I touch a nerve there? A progressive liberal was caught gloating at the misfortune of a thinking, feeling human being having cancer. What a posterboy for liberalism.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pm#49 Of course not but that’s the ONLY CARD left in the hands of these sicko Republicans at this point. All of their other cards are “jokers” because their leader is the Supreme Joker on the planet.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pmWhat a pathetic bunch of administration officials these clowns are!
It is obvious that the INSANE are “running” our country, and the more you hear them, the more you realize how dumbed down the country leaders are!
Why does anyone bother to show up to these ELEMENTARY SCHOOL “press conferences” when all you hear are lies, distortions and just plain ignorant statements?!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:11 pmWe must hear what President Clinton has to say about this. His statement, I’m sure, will clear this up. It’s the only one that counts.
Former President and your sheep, are you out there??
June 19th, 2007 at 2:12 pmMy mom used to say, “…and if your friend jumped off a bridge, would you jump off the bridge too?”
June 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#41: Damn. Have you also retreated to a cabin in the mountains somewhere near Denver? You’re consciously cutting yourself off the main stream media and are reading just the kind of news that support your own political views? Ever heard of bias?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pmWhen did this administration delete any e-mails?
Comment by MAF54
They didn’t turn them over to congress and said months later that they are unable to retrieve and/or locate them. Should we just impeach the entire administration on charges of aggravated mopery then.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pmDo yourself a HUGE favor and eleminate the fake news channels from your television listings.
Comment by veritas
Sorry, I keep up with all news, msm and independant, blogs, etc. (except Faux)
June 19th, 2007 at 2:13 pmWhy should I limit my sources of information?
That would be limiting history reading/study to one book author.
America is dumbed down enough already.
For openers, one must include Snowjob in the collection of “thinking, feeling human beings”, eh? Most intelligent folks recognize that he neither thinks before he speaks (or he wouldn’t engage is pure drivel) and certainly doesn’t “feel” as evidenced by his capricious, cavalier tone and tenor while lying.
As for being classified as a “human being”, I believe the jury’s already in on that count: Snowjob is a totally empty shell, a sycophant, a bottom feeder….belong the genus “amoeba”.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pmSnow’s view of Republican integrity: Two wrongs makes a right.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pmMAF54 is an innocuously irrelevant troll who doesn’t deserve to even be addressed – no less debated with.
Comment by veritas — June 19, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
You’re right, Veritas. My apologies. Congressman Foley lured me in with the most appealing bait in the troll tackle box — the easily refuted statement of “Fact”.
I should know better.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:14 pmAnybody in the press room have the balls to call Tony on his lies?!?!?!?
Comment by mark
The press corp is complicit in the crimes of this administration. When Bush leaves office they need to be evaluated for their lack of oversight and held accountable.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:15 pm“And, with Snow’s recurrent cancer, it’s clear that he’s sold his soul to the devil, lock, stock & barrel! He won’t be around too much longer.”
I don’t think R.U. would see the humor. The big “C” is not something that is partisan; and, as someone who lost a close family member to it, I would ask you to find something else to slam the dickwad with. Lord knows, there’s plenty of available ammo …
June 19th, 2007 at 2:17 pmSnow’s view of Republican integrity: Two wrongs makes a right.
Comment by Armando Gomez
Only if you are republican, they want separate rules for everyone else
June 19th, 2007 at 2:17 pm=)
#58 This was not to imply that one should become mired in quicksand; au contraire, mon ami! This was to imply that more truth can be ferreted out via the internet and it’s global resources. When one engages in this exercise, one not only discovers the enormous bias involved in our MSM but the level of overt propaganda as well. You be the judge, however….find your documented data, report, study, etc. and then see to what degree it is “bastardized” by our sycophant corporate fascist media who is propping this faux administration….and you will discover very rapidly that the MSM has been eclipsed totally and completely by the internet as a source of valid, valuable information and data.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:17 pmclinton’s policy is irrelevant and doesn’t disprove snow’s claim. what matters is whether, indeed, clinton did it, too, and thinkprogress has not disproven that.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pm#61: Don’t apologize to veritas. By his/her own admission, he/she has given up any attempts to get all available information and THEN deciding what to believe in. As you can read above, he/she’s accepting only the kind of news that support his/her existing political views. What a clown.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pmWell, if Tony’s that wrong, why’s nobody calling him on it? Hmmm? Maybe it’s because he’s not wrong.
Comment by MAF54
It’s amazing that you spend so much time at TP and have managed to not learn one thing.
One possibility is that he says things that are so out of left field that the press is agape at his comments. Sometimes, although rarely with this bought and paid for corporate owned media, a reporter will comment on the lie later. But you wouldn’t understand.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pm#65: Calling the internet a valid source of information is just ridiculous. It’s nothing but noise like this site, goatse and all the gazillion blogs where people who have, and will never have, absolutely no impact on our world write about their empty meaningless lives.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pm#67 – nice one bill
asking to definitively disprove a negative
June 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pmBarfly: I concur with you only the extent that it is definitely not something to make jokes about; let’s face it, there is not a family in this country who has not been touched by cancer. As a student of metaphysics, however, I can assure you that what we believe, say, and do translates from our thoughts & actions and telegraphs this directly to the cells in our body; the mind/body is not two separate entities but one holistic unit. Therefore, it is no longer challenged that, just as carcinogenic substances are introduced into our cellular structure via atmosphere, pollution, chemicals, etc., so do our thoughts and actions contaminate our physical being. You really need to educate yourself in order to obtain the full picture before criticizing the scientific data posted by others.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:20 pmBesides, Barfly when did you become the mouthpiece for RU? Just wondering, dude as it is a huge boundary violation on your part.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWHY DON’T reporters ever call Tony Snow on this stuff?
Where was the follow-up? Such as, I dunno, “Prove it”.
God, the White House Press Corps is completely useless. Seriously, what did they say, “Oh, okay, I guess if Clinton did it…”
June 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pm#9
I hard to take your comments seriously when the U.S. is a prime example of conservative AND liberal values creating prosperity and liberty.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:21 pmWe are living under a dictatorship. It’s only a Democracy in name. We need to impeach Bush and Cheney, NOW~
Comment by Kay
There is no such thing as impeachment in a dictatorship or in a fascist regime. Maybe that is why impeachment is off the table.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pmIf you really listen to what Snow is saying he is not denying or confirming Hatch Act violations or any other illegalities. What he said was that “they were set-up based on the Clinton model in order to avoid any Hatch Act violations.” Just because they were “set-up” that way has no effect on how they were actually used. Whover the Journalist is that asked that question should have followed up. Snow merely deflected and nobody called him on it.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:22 pmSo the village idiot troll believes all he hears on the sycophantic news stations?? Now that’s a dweeb extraordinaire if I’ve ever seen one…hahahahahhahahahah! Talk about being a brainwashed jackass….ROTFLMAO!!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pm“…..write about their empty meaningless lives.”
Comment by MAF54
I was wondering what your point in posting here was all about.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:23 pmClinton was impeached, too.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pmHi Kay! You got it! Let’s get back to the real issue at hand and that is “impeachment”. It’s time to impeach these lying thugs and move forward for a change instead of backwards…..Scandal du jour?? Take your pick!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pmclinton’s policy is irrelevant and doesn’t disprove snow’s claim. what matters is whether, indeed, clinton did it, too, and thinkprogress has not disproven that.
Comment by bill — June 19, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
NO! What matters is: Is what the current administration is doing wrong or not? If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them. Simple. Like you said: “Clinton’s policies are irrelevant”, except you left off: “to whether Bush’s policies are legal, ethical and right.” If you want to go after Clinton for doing the same thing, even though his adminstration is no longer in power, then I’m all for it IF he did the same thing. However, that does not absolve the Bush administration of their crimes.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pm#78: Well, all our lives are meaningless. Some morons just think that it’s nice to create a myspace page and write about the meaningless crap. Just an example.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmWow! The Repugs must think they’re in serious trouble today in sicking all of these vacuuous trolls onto the liberal blogs! I wonder what they know is “coming down the pike” to tank them now?? It must be a biggie! Maybe Sr Guckert/Gannon is finally talking. I’ve heard he is.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:25 pmNO! What matters is: Is what the current administration is doing wrong or not? If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.
Ah yes. The black-and-white view of the world of the progressive liberals surfaces again.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:26 pmTwo wrongs never made a right and blaming Clinton is ALL that’s left to say when one is a sycophantic fascist robot. It’s comical to watch they spew their detritus though – a bit of comic relief on these threads.
Just like us in Iraq, the trolls become the single most effective recruiting tool for the Democratic Party. Bring the trolls on – we need some additional comic relief.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:27 pmIt’s nothing but noise like this site, goatse and all the gazillion blogs where people who have, and will never have, absolutely no impact on our world write about their empty meaningless lives.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Interesting, since the Republicans are saying that we are vicious and apparently powerful enough to get people out of office and start investigations into political figures. To hear Fox tell it, we’re the most dangerous threat to the nation.
Doesn’t exactly sound like people who have “absolutely no impact on our world”
June 19th, 2007 at 2:27 pm#85: I don’t think you’ll find it so amusing when the majority of people in 2008 will buy into the Clinton meme.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWhat a shame MAF 54 is only 5′7″ and suffers from “little man syndrome”, isn’t it?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:28 pmClinton’s policies are one thing, his actions are another, TP. Please prove that the former President or his staff actually never hid any emails. I mean, every President’s policy is not to lie to the American people, right?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmAwww… did I touch a nerve there? A progressive liberal was caught gloating at the misfortune of a thinking, feeling human being having cancer. What a posterboy for liberalism.
Comment by MAF54
Your surprise shows your lack of comprehension of a “progressive liberal” mindset. Do you assume we are unwilling to seek revenge against our enemies? You couldn’t be more wrong. We are also willing to sacrifices our lives and our fortunes for the restoration of the Constitution unlike you fascists.
After all, how could we be expected to show more compassion than you bible thumping neocons show. Aren’t you all Christ-like? And you think nothing of the loss of lives as in New Orleans and Iraq just to save yourselves tax dollars or increase oil revenues.
We’re just following your lead. Have fun after the next election, crying in your beer and pissing your pants at the same time.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmYou can bet your bottom dollar that there is nothing but HUGE bad news coming down either today or tomorrow by the level of troll activity….paid and otherwise…..I think it’s sooooo amazingly revealing.
Any guesses on what it might be?? I’ve got a few….
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#86: Don’t mistake such attention for actual concern. It’s just to bury you.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#40 foley wanted to see “links to main stream media like the New York Times or Washington Post.”
from this morning’s FAST thread:
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pmLupeyg2 — June 19, 2007 @ 9:34 am
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/thinkfast-june-19-2007/#comment-3866026
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Just cuz “Clinton Did It” don’t make any less illegal Tony Boy…
You do realize anything you say can and will be used against, right?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:29 pm#85: I don’t think you’ll find it so amusing when the majority of people in 2008 will buy into the Clinton meme.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
It wouldn’t surprise me, and we’ll probably have another scandal in the whitehouse in a few years. Doesn’t change anything with regard to Bush. I’d rather have the president getting blown in the whitehouse than killing thousands of people for almost no reason.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pmWe must hear what President Clinton has to say about this. His statement, I’m sure, will clear this up. It’s the only one that counts.
Former President and your sheep, are you out there??
Comment by RamboTroll
Why the name change COMPtroller V8, can’t stand the heat?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pmShane: Attempting intellectual repartee with an idiot troll will only result in anger and frustration; it’s impossible for them to articulate themselves in anything but doubletalk and empty blather. We all view them as “comic relief” and when taken in that vein, coupled with the recruiting they are doing on the blog for the Democratic Party, they become not only tolerable but acutely necessary. When one views them in this fashion, they realize that they have absolutely no power here.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pm#88: Once again, a post completely devoid of any roots in reality. Care to elaboreate where you got that fantasy? Oh right. It’s the same place as the people who’re saying that 9-11 was an inside job and where wearing tin-foil hats is fashionable.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:31 pm“…Just an example.”
Comment by MAF54
You have my condolences.
My life has a lot of meaning,
June 19th, 2007 at 2:32 pmand even when all else seems meaningless,
the simple question of whether or not my existence has any meaning,
is meaningful.
Thanks for the allusion, Katy; of course, it’s been all over the media today but what else could an irrelevant troll spew at this point? It’s just an attempt, albeit transparent, to get a reaction here.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#93: “House Panel Says Records of E-Mails Are Missing”. Missing mails – not deleted mails. There is a difference, you know.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:33 pmHere’s a good one: Tin Foil hats? Now we know that our village idiot troll is also a dinosaur? See, I told you they bring comic relief!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pm#99: “My life has a lot of meaning”. Well, now you see why we are the party who has a grasp on the realities of the life.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmTo ’shane’ – I am new to Thinkprogress.org as a registered dissenter. Thank you, specimen, for your orientation.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:34 pmThere’s proof, BTW, from the RNC directly (whistleblowers) that the emails were ordered to be deleted. This is not in question.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pm#90
Clinton’s policies are one thing, his actions are another, TP. Please prove that the former President or his staff actually never hid any emails.
Comment by RamboTroll — June 19, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
You’re a moron. You can’t definitively prove a negative. It’s impossible.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pm#102: Oh, don’t tell me. You believe in both karma AND 9/11 conspiracy? Oh that’s just too funny…
June 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pm#105: Links? Documents? Otherwise it’s just hearsay.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI’ve been taught that there is no “heat to stand” from a liberal. Most of them are weak-minded and terrorist-humping zealots. I am here to have a field-day, simply put.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pmWell, all our lives are meaningless. Some morons just think that it’s nice to create a myspace page and write about the meaningless crap. Just an example.
Comment by MAF54
AGAIN, if the internet is meaningless, why are YOU here?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pm#110: To have fun.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:37 pmSo Tony Faux is a troll now? The usual Clinton did it pablum?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmWho could have predicted THAT?
Ok, hands down now.
Clinton Lied: Monica sighed
Bush Lied: Thousands DIED! There is, has been, and always be a massive difference between Clinton and George Bush. For openers, I don’t think you could pay someone to give this dude a BJ.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pmIf Snow says it, 30% of the population will believe him without question. And the more blatant the lie, the more fervant their belief. The trolls here are living proof of that.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pm“Well, now you see why we are the party who has a grasp on the realities of the life.”
Comment by MAF54
Sorry, I don’t go to those kinds of parties. Grasping things, and all…
June 19th, 2007 at 2:39 pm2000 – Bush Admin: “We aren’t going be anything like the Clinton Adminsitration” (Ain’t that the truth)
2007 – Bush Admin: “Clinton did it TOO!!!!”
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmGreat point, Shane!! Score one for Shane – you got that pedophile right where it hurts. WHAT IS ONE WHO DISCOUNTS THE EFFECT OF THE INTERNET DOING BLOGGING IN THE FIRST PLACE???
Comic relief at it’s most primo!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pm#113: Clinton lied and he should have paid for it. Bush has not lied and for all the deaths you should blame the islamofascists who’re hellbent on destroying the western civilization. Wake the hell up.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmNO! What matters is: Is what the current administration is doing wrong or not? If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.
Ah yes. The black-and-white view of the world of the progressive liberals surfaces again.
Comment by MAF54
Quite the non sequiter, Mr. Foley. What little boy did you have on your brain when you typed this piece of nonsense?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pmComment by Lupeyg2
I assume you’ve misunderstood me. In proof that the administration never actually committed the offenses in question, this website offers only a mere representation of policy, and that is not sound. One would have to do a more thorough investigation, which Thinkprogress.org is not authorized to do. They are simply a hollow-fixture of an interest group.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:40 pm#66 I think what matters is whether bill blows goats, and he hasn’t disproven that.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:41 pmAw shucks….now score one for me! I managed to get our idiot troll riled up, did I? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ROTHLMAO BIG TIME!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:41 pm#117: As I already said, I’m here just to kill time and have fun. Just to distract myself from the general meaninglessness of the human life.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:41 pm#119: “If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.”
What? You don’t call that black-and-white reasoning?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:42 pmWhat a shame MAF 54 is only 5′7″ and suffers from “little man syndromeâ€, isn’t it?
Comment by veritas
From the sound of his rants, his “little man syndrome” is related to another issue, probably in addition to his 5′7″ stature. And yes, size matters.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmThe sad fact of reality is that Bush’s legacy, as well as the legacy of the self-destructing GOP is that it is, by far, THE WORST presidency ever in the history of this country.
The GOP is a group of lying criminals and hell will freeze over before they occupy the white house again.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmI wonder what fills the place where his soul should be.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pm#125: “size matters”. You must be an expert on the “male size”, then. Fag.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:43 pmMAF54,
Short of Ron Paul, your party has completely lost its way!!!!
Curb Spending – NO
Smaller Government – NO
Curb Debt – NO
The party of Roosevelt, Lincoln, and Eisenhower, has lost its grip on the power of corporate america which all of these Presidents spoke so eloquently about.
Beyond social issues, stem cell research, abortion, gay rights – your party has nothing left to run on. And when it comes to all of those issues, your party finds itself in the minority.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmYes, indeedy-do, size does matter. That old wive’s tale along with the archaic belief systems of the DinosaurGOP was customized to assuage their frail egos. I presume the latter, as you’ve said….dimunitive in every way: intellect, body size, and other sizes.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:44 pmMAF54,
“FAG” *sigh* ah the party of inclusion.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:45 pmThe current GOP is one very small, necrotic group of individuals who enjoy engaging in mental masturbation as a ego-enhancing exercise….(yawn)….I’ve had enough comic relief for one afternoon….later, TP buds.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:46 pmWell, if “Clinton did it too” that means a full scale investigation MUST be opened at once.
In Fact, its OVER DUE!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pm#123
#117: As I already said, I’m here just to kill time and have fun. Just to distract myself from the general meaninglessness of the human life.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
He doesn’t know what to do since being kicked off of MySpace after his little kiddie-hunting “incident”.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmAs I already said, I’m here just to kill time and have fun. Just to distract myself from the general meaninglessness of the human life.
Comment by MAF54
What a sad, lonely, sorry excuse for a human you must be then.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmWe will have to remember to ignore your childish, idiotic posts then.
Front page headlines on http://www.huffingtonpost.com today states that “Bloomberg believes US in real trouble”…. I’d believe him over anything Snowflake utters any day of the week. Check it out.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmTony Snow? Who, outside of the Washington press corps, pays any attention to that lying dirtbag?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmI see the Reperv troll is back.
Humping teenage boys is NOT a family value, perv.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pmThe logic runs like this:
1. We set up off-site e-mails to avoid Hatch Act restrictions. See: that way our ‘administration/politico’ guys can be working for the RNC while on the Gov’ment’s dime without contraverting Hatch. (kinda sorta)
2. We then used the off-site e-mails to conduct administration business that we didn’t want there to be a readily accessible electron-trail. See: that way our political hacks could influence administration hiring/firing policy without leaving fingerprints. If only those damn cowardly purged attorneys had kept their mouths shut. Oh shit, did I say that last part out loud.
Glad I could help.
Prof. G. E. Challenger
P.S.: Did I mention: JFK did it too!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pmBush has not lied
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/bush-caught-on-tape/
Bush lies all the time. Here is but one documented example.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:49 pm#135: You’re welcome to just that. Just as you’re free to enjoy your meaningless life believing in some divine meaning or reward in the after-life for the good, progressive things you’ve done in your lifetime.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmNO! What matters is: Is what the current administration is doing wrong or not? If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.
Ah yes. The black-and-white view of the world of the progressive liberals surfaces again.
Comment by MAF54
Oh, so you think that even if someone in the Bush admin did something wrong, he SHOULDN’T be punished?? Is that it?
Well, what can we expect from someone who apparently still believes Bush never lied. You might as well have said “Day is night” as an equally convincing argument. It’s amazing.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:50 pmMAF54 sez:
Yes, she probably is, dolt.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmI find it very difficult that President Clinton would use an E-mail system controlled by the republican National Committee. I guess it all depends on what your definition of “it” is.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pmThe Washington Press CORPSE.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pm“Bush has not lied”
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Good One!
“you should blame the islamofascists who’re hellbent on destroying the western civilization.”
Oh… did they supply the bombs dropped from US planes onto Iraqi neighborhoods?
“Wake the hell up.”
Good Morning!
June 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pm#142: There’s lying and “lying”. Just think of national security. You can’t answer all questions truthfully because there’s the security aspect. State secrets and all.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:52 pm“If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.â€
What? You don’t call that black-and-white reasoning?
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Why is that the only place right-wingnuts see shades of gray is in issues of criminal behavior and punishment?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pm“Bush has not lied
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm”
WHAT????
You can bet that if he is speaking, he is LYING!!!!
About 40 or more “stay the course” comments……
Then he says…. “I have never been a stay the course person”….
Take those blinders off buddy……. OH, and turn up that hearing aid…..
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pm#146: No. they did not supply the bombs. They just flew a few planes into a couple buildings and now they keep blowing up people in Israel, Afghanistan and Iraq.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pmMAF54 = pedophile
June 19th, 2007 at 2:53 pm#121 Comment by RamboTroll — June 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Yes, but you are asking something that is impossible. I do see what you’re saying, though. Snow isn’t claiming that Clinton deleted emails, like the Bush admin has done…he is simply saying that their policy is “on a model based on the prior administration, which had done it the same way, in order to try to avoid Hatch Act violations.”
He again dishonestly skirts another question.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pmTony Snow? Who, outside of the Washington press corps, pays any attention to that lying dirtbag?
Comment by Arthur C. — June 19, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Unfortunately, just under 30% of the population. It bothers me that if I look at ten people, three of them don’t have a grasp of logic.
Actually it’s probably under that number because they no doubt group together, dropping the average in other places. At least one would hope.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:54 pm#147. The deeper the secrecy the greater the crime that are being covered up. A democracy cannot exist with the kind of fear mongering and lies of this administration. You are one of the fools, the 28%, who still buy this bullshit.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:55 pmWhy does this Administration always blame someone else for their crimes. It’s getting old to hear Clinton did it. Next we’ll be told Clinton ordered the illegally invasion of Iraq and allowed 3500 soldiers to die. It will be Clinton’s fault that the US Treasury is broke. Gonzales didn’t do it, it was Clinton. Tony Snow needs a pay check so he’d say Harry Potter did it.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pm“They just flew a few planes into a couple buildings and now they keep blowing up people in Israel, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:53 pm”
That’s why so many Americans are trying to IMPEACH this administration…….
So we don’t have to worry about them doing this anymore…..
Our greatest threats are NOT anyone from outside the US, it is those sitting at 1600 Pennsylvania ave.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pm#153: There is a fault to your logic. Not everyone in that 30% believes Tony. Having them in power just serves us better.
June 19th, 2007 at 2:56 pm“They just flew a few planes into a couple buildings and now they keep blowing up people in Israel, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:53 pmâ€
You talking about the PNAC and the fascist pig thugs of the crime family?
June 19th, 2007 at 2:59 pmWhen one views them in this fashion, they realize that they have absolutely no power here.
Comment by veritas
True veritas, I find arguing with trolls cathartic. H. L. Mencken said “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. ” Apparently many Democrats didn’t heed this warning during the last two presidential elections. Reading the posts of neocon trolls gives insight into the lack of intelligence of the Republican base since most reasonable people have already jumped of this bandwagon.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#153: There is a fault to your logic. Not everyone in that 30% believes Tony. Having them in power just serves us better.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Better than what? A porcupine up the a**?? That’s a tough call right now…. Bush administration….. porcupine up the a***!! Hmm…
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmkasinca,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmMuslims never commit violence.
They are peaceful and tolerant!
MAF54 is Mark Foley’s nick.
This troll likes teenage boys.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmClinton lied and he should have paid for it. Bush has not lied and for all the deaths you should blame the islamofascists who’re hellbent on destroying the western civilization. Wake the hell up.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Am I being punked??
June 19th, 2007 at 3:01 pmThe solution is to have an Islamic Republic in America!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:02 pm#160: Better than you weak dems. Yeah. That’s almost as bad as a porcupine up the ass.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:03 pmBuggering teenage boys, there’s your Reouke troll moral values.
Typical inbred scumbag.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmHere is Bush NOT LYING….
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/22/bush-stay-the-course/
BUSH: We will stay the course. [8/30/06]
BUSH: We will stay the course, we will complete the job in Iraq. [8/4/05]
BUSH: We will stay the course until the job is done, Steve. And the temptation is to try to get the President or somebody to put a timetable on the definition of getting the job done. We’re just going to stay the course. [12/15/03]
BUSH: And my message today to those in Iraq is: We’ll stay the course. [4/13/04]
BUSH: And that’s why we’re going to stay the course in Iraq. And that’s why when we say something in Iraq, we’re going to do it. [4/16/04]
BUSH: And so we’ve got tough action in Iraq. But we will stay the course. [4/5/04]
Digg It!
Full transcript:
STEPHANOPOULOS: James Baker says that he’s looking for something between “cut and run†and “stay the course.â€
BUSH: Well, hey, listen, we’ve never been “stay the course,†George. We have been — we will complete the mission, we will do our job, and help achieve the goal, but we’re constantly adjusting to tactics. Constantly.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pm#159. Reading the ignorant posts of the reichwingnut trolls reinforces my belief that the last two presidential elections were stolen. There is not way the conservative can win without cheating and lying.
Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI am new to Thinkprogress.org as a registered dissenter. Thank you, specimen, for your orientation.
Comment by RamboTroll
I don’t think so, CT.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:04 pmSince the people who say Clinton lied are known degenerates, there’s no reason to believe Clinton lied. In fact, it’s irrational to believe anything bad you hear about a Democrat.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:05 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vucl1nPEg4Y
shane sez:
Spot on, shane. Good catch.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmTom3: You seem to be having quite an obsession with young boys and ass. Try to get some help.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pmWhy is that the only place right-wingnuts see shades of gray is in issues of criminal behavior and punishment?
Comment by mikey r — June 19, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
Good point mikey! May I insert a qualifier in there though? How’s this:
Why is it that the only place right-wingnuts see shades of gray is in issues of Republican criminal behavior and in punishment of Republicans?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:06 pm#162, you talking about the Saudis or the thugs in the Bush Crime Family?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmMAF54,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:07 pmYou are aliar!
There is no Muslims violence.
Violence is against Islamic rules.
The CIA is behind it along with the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate!
Jiahd is a peaceful inner struggle!
#167: If Bush was lying, someone would have called him on it. Has anyone done that? No. Therefore Bush is not lying.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmkasinca,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmMuslims are peaceful and never commit violence!
Why is anyone bothering with ex-Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL)?
He’s a confessed pedophile and he’s not even making any sense. Ignore him. Ignore all trolls –Valiant Anus, Mr. Roboto… they must have gotten some word of a bonus program at RNC headquarters and so they’re swarming like little girls on Orlando Bloom.
Ignore ‘em.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pm#160: Better than you weak dems. Yeah. That’s almost as bad as a porcupine up the ass.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
Dems aren’t the only ones who think Bush is a criminal. If you can’t even pull your head out far enough to notice there are other people out there than Republicans and Democrats, you’ve got problems no one can solve.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:08 pmYou know that the Republics are running scared when they say “Clinton did it too”. So Mr. Snow, if Clinton did it, did he also destroy all of the e-mails (you know, like 140,000 e-mails by Karl Rove).
I just don’t understand how Tony Snow can stand in front of cameras every day and tell lies. That’s probably why he has cancer. His body is so tired of his lies, it has turned on him. He must be without a conscience and without a soul, because if he had either, he would not be sleeping at night.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmSee more about North Korea.
Photos and videos from a trip last August 2006, of a Portuguese journalist.
http://coreiadonorte.wordpress.com
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmMAF54 sez:
This from the guy who calls himself “MAF54″.
Projection must be a 100 level required course over at Troll University.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pm177. You are missing my point. I am saying that this can all be traced back to the WH.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pmAs I already said, I’m here just to kill time and have fun. Just to distract myself from the general meaninglessness of the human life.
Comment by MAF54
Effing liar. Who in their right mind puts themself in just the right position for people to shit on their head? Hopefully you’re getting paid, otherwise you need help.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:09 pm“If Bush was lying, someone would have called him on it. Has anyone done that? No. Therefore Bush is not lying.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:08 pm”
You are about as IGNORANT as they come……..
That is like saying that if a person was j-walking did not get a ticket for it then it was not j-walking…..
IDIOT!!!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:10 pmMAF54,
Bush lied when he said” Islam is the religion of peace.”
He’s a liar in the Saudi’s back pockets.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pmJust like the Democrats are in the back pockets of Iran.
The Muslims control this country so when you vote Republican or Democrat you’re voting Shia or Sunni!
Besides the fact that no one has produced any evidence that they did, why is it relevant if the Clinton administration did this or not. Since when is breaking the law excused by precedence in or outside of a courtroom. This a very weak argument.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:11 pm125: “size mattersâ€. You must be an expert on the “male sizeâ€, then. Fag.
Comment by MAF54
I’m a woman, Einstein. Quite the thinker aren’t you?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThere is a fault to your logic. Comment by MAF54
Oh, that is funny as hell.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:12 pmIf your posts are any indication, you wouldn’t know logic if it fell on your pointy head and stuck there.
RoboTroll 3100 weighs in:
Congressman Foley is correct in post #176: “If Bush was lying, someone would have called him on it. Has anyone done that? No. Therefore Bush is not lying”
This argument can also be modified to prove that there was no leak of a CIA agent’s identity: President Bush pledged to fire anyone involved in the leak. He has not done so. Therefore, no leak occurred.
It’s only logical.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pmI just don’t understand how Tony Snow can stand in front of cameras every day and tell lies.
and
Who in their right mind puts themself in just the right position for people to shit on their head?
Why am I here. Why is Tony standing out there?
Because it’s fun to make you so mad all the while knowing that in the long term, it doesn’t really matter what we do in our lifetime. So we might as well entertain ourselves by seeing how much noise we can get out of you who actually take the reality seriously.
Take it easy guys. You need a vacation.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pmI’m a woman, Einstein. Quite the thinker aren’t you?
Comment by shane
LMAO.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:13 pmIf this weren’t so obnoxious and painful, it’d make a great sit-com…
June 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pm#188: Yeah. A nickname “shane” tells it all about you, darling.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmkasinca,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmNo I get your point.
Bush did 9/11.
The Muslims never did it as they’re peaceful humans that love life.
They never could’ve pulled it off.
It’s against the Koran to be violent!
Which is worse, lying about everything all the time even when you get caught, or a poorly executed bout of oral sex? I would think the former, but where are the impeachment papers?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThe “troll swarm” may be attributed to a new troll enrichment program they call “piecework” – the more posts they complete, the more they earn. What anyone with more than a room temperature IQ has to be pondering, however, is who the hell in their right mind would ever pay someone whose detritus-filled posts actually “recruit” for the other side?? If that’s one of KKKarl’s new brainstorms, I’d say his brain is seriously contaminated.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:14 pmIn six short months the true depth of corruption that the Bushies and the neocons and their conservative agenda have been exposed for the criminals they are. They will all be tried and convicted after they are removed from office. Justice WILL prevail. The torture is that it takes so long to grind towards the whole truth. With the corruption being across the entire govt. spectrum in EVERY agency, it will take awhile. It is more than obvious the conservative agenda is dead and so is the Rethug party. They and all their supporters are criminals and traitors. These clowns that support pardoning Libby, a convicted criminal who’s lies contributed to the death of 100’s of thousands of people get’s off easy with a mere 20 months. He should be hung by his lying neck along with all the other criminals in this WH and all the agency heads who participated in this administration wide crime wave.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmTheir feeble “Clinton did it” defense is laughable and can not be verified as it is a LIE.
All the racist, corrupt lying Rehugs are getting what they deserve. Their DISGUSTING behavior trying to blame the blocking of earmark reform ( a complete fabrication) on Dems shows them for the liars and cheats they are.
More Rethug indictments will be coming in steadily. It is obvious via the hearings that the culture of criminality is pervasive.It is obvious from their attitude on immigration they are a bunch of bigoted racists.
It will take a generation to clean this mess up. Leahy and Conyers and Waxman should not stop until every one of them are put behind bars.
Wow that sounds like depression or really low self esteem.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmMAF54,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pmYou said Bush never lied.
I pointed out he lied when he said Islam is the Religion of peace.
Did he not lie?
Answer pleace?
“If Bush was lying, someone would have called him on it. Has anyone done that? No. Therefore Bush is not lying.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:08 pmâ€
Are you braindead?
http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm
June 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pm#195: http://www.911truth.org is a good starting point.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pm#188: Yeah. A nickname “shane†tells it all about you, darling.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
And your assumptions tell us all about you too.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:16 pmI never realized that troll is synonymous with robot; however, our idiot trolls posts help us to draw that quite accurate conclusion.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmBush did 9/11.
The Muslims never did it as they’re peaceful humans that love life.
They never could’ve pulled it off.
It’s against the Koran to be violent!
Comment by Mr. Roboto — June 19, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
So… “Mr Roboto”… do you feel that Christians are “peaceful people who love life”?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmMAF54,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAnswer me please?
#206: Islam is not a religion of peace, but Bush was just being diplomatic. Unfortunately.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmBesides, what we do here without a few idiot trolls thrown in each day to provide our comic relief? Embrace the trolls – they’re the most useful DNC tool on the planet….heh-heh.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pm#125: “size mattersâ€. You must be an expert on the “male sizeâ€, then. Fag.
Yes, she probably is, dolt.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Good one TMM, notice he can’t defend his own manhood just calls somebody else a Fag. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. So MAF54 believes pedolphilia with young boys doesn’t equate to homosexuality, apparently.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pm202: Yeah. Sites that one really show why internet is just useless junk.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:18 pmMr. Roboto: Robot Trolls – Don’t fall into his trap to attempt to engage is a christofascist conversation.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmHe can say whatever he wants, the record speaks for itself.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmComment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:08 pmâ€
Are you braindead?
Comment by kasinca — June 19, 2007 @ 3:15 pm
Kasinca, I would think the answer is self-evident.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:19 pmSites where scientific minds conduct controlled experiements – something which an idiot troll would know absolutly nothing about.
Poor comical, pathetic troll prostitutes! Can anyone imagine doing this for a living and feeling good about themselves?
Perhaps that’s why every troll is an angry misanthrope??
June 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmMA,
Looks like the COURTS do not agree with you….
It seems as though they are saying that what Bush is doing is ILLEGAL.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Judge_gives_goahead_to_lawsuit_against_0619.html
Judge gives go-ahead to lawsuit against Bush’s bank transfer spying program
“A federal judge in Chicago last week rejected a motion to dismiss a lawsuit filed against a Belgium-based bank transfer clearinghouse that collaborated with an anti-terrorism spying program led by the US Department of Treasury. The judge’s decision will allow two plaintiffs to press their case that the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT) violated the Fourth Amendment and financial privacy rights of bank customers throughout the United States when it collaborated with president George W. Bush’s so-called ‘Terrorist Finance Tracking Program.’”
June 19th, 2007 at 3:20 pmI heard that “Reagan did it, too” the other day? Well, shiver my timbers!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:21 pmIslam is not a religion of peace, but Bush was just being diplomatic. Unfortunately.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
So… he lied. For diplomacy’s sake, sure. But he still lied.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pm#215: Thanks for the url. This, indeed, may be the “big one” coming down the pike next to help disintegrate the GOP??
June 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pm#206: Islam is not a religion of peace, but Bush was just being diplomatic. Unfortunately.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:18 pm
Islam is a religion of peace as much as Christianity is. Like virtually all other religions, it depends on the followers. Statistically speaking, God has caused more death than any other single source. Genocide, torture, righteous wrath against unbelievers… it’s all in the Bible. The fact is that there ARE peaceful Muslims in the world, in far greater numbers than anyone admits, just like the tolerant, peaceful Christians outnumber the stupid extremist nutcases. But it’s the stupid extremist nutcases that get all the press.
Pick up a book. They’re those things they sometimes keep in libraries… have knowledge in them…. I know that’s a difficult concept…
June 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pmRamboTroll reports:
1. It’s always a good idea to cite the Clinton years to rebut every Bush argument. In our Democratic minds, they were the most open and transparent ever. That’s right, that’s why our Democratic “transparent” congressional majority lasted a whole two years of the hero’s presidency.
2. Clinton didn’t do this wrong so, in turn, he did nothing wrong ™. The policy is somehow our proof.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pmThere is a fault to your logic. Not everyone in that 30% believes Tony. Having them in power just serves us better.
Comment by MAF54
Great, you being served is more important than the Constitution to you selfish a$$holes. And you have so little self respect that you admit it. Pathetic.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:22 pmI’ve heard that people are tracking bush as well…..from this drink to his next cocktail.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmmikey r,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pmHell no Christians are evil and that religion must be banned.
They always attack the peaceful Muslims.
Christians are evil!
Maybe it’s time for the people to subpoena the Chimp’s and Darth’s bank records?? How ’bout them offshore accounts….for that Texas Tea?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmFor all of the Clinton Did It Tooâ„¢ trolls… if Clinton had done it, too, the Republicans would have never let him get away with it like the right wing media lets these thieves do whatever they want. They spend millions of dollars combing over ever single move Clinton made in office. If he was hiding from the Hatch Act they would have caught him… and he certainly wouldn’t have brazenly deleted all of the evidence.
Watching “Hunting the President” to see the ethics of the crooks running our government.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmMr. Roboto: Concerned Christofascist troll. Don’t let this idiot hijack the thread.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmNO! What matters is: Is what the current administration is doing wrong or not? If it is, punish them. If it isn’t, don’t punish them.
Ah yes. The black-and-white view of the world of the progressive liberals surfaces again.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Ah, the pro-crime conservative view surfaces again!
Tell me MAF54, if Clinton ate babies too would it make it okay if Bush did it too?
Or how about if Clinton ran a slave ring? Would it make it okay if Bush did it too?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:24 pmLoved the photos of the Chimp chugging one recently. The new definition of “hypocrite” in the dictionary will have his photo next to it.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmYou seem to be having quite an obsession with young boys and ass. Try to get some help.
Comment by MAF54
Project much? Why do you link yourself to Foley then?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:25 pmSo he just admitted to deliberately avoiding the Hatch Act. WOW what an idiot.
Comment by LandSurveyor
And he admitted violating the Presidential Records Act in order to avoid the Hatch Act.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmBruce Gorton: Give that troll the royal slapdown!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:26 pmWe know all about MAF54, don’t we? Some very juicy tidbits, indeed.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pm#227: Well, I don’t accept anything done by the Clinton administration, or by any dem administration for that matter, so that’s a moot point.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pmMAF54,
You are aliar!
There is no Muslims violence.
Violence is against Islamic rules.
The CIA is behind it along with the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate!
Jiahd is a peaceful inner struggle!
Comment by Mtr. Roboto
Yes he is a liar, or an idiot, one? But the fact is Islamic violence and American violence are not mutually exclusive. And if you think Bush doesn’t have blood on his hands to are criminally stupid.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:27 pm#230 I guess when one is so mired in his own horse$hit, then he must choose the lesser of two evils? Comical the way they attempt to exonerate one criminal action by admitting to another just as criminal and as heinous, isn’t it?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pm“Tell me MAF54, if Clinton ate babies too would it make it okay if Bush did it too?
Or how about if Clinton ran a slave ring? Would it make it okay if Bush did it too?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 19, 2007 @ 3:24 pm”
I think he would answer yes.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:28 pmIt’s the case of the Chimp going out to the horse barn, peering around inside, smelling the malodorous scent of fresh horse$hit and stating: “I guess there must be a horse in here somewhere??”….duh!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmMAF54,\
June 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmSo Bush lied!
He’s in back pocket of the saudis.
The same way the Dems are in the back pocket of the Iranians!
America is run by Muslims.
Wake up!
#227: Well, I don’t accept anything done by the Clinton administration, or by any dem administration for that matter, so that’s a moot point.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
So the answer is yes?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pm#234 Bush has more blood on his hands than Hitler, Stalin, and all of the Crusaders combined throughout history! You KNOW what his karma will be!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:29 pmMAF54
“Well, I don’t accept anything done by the Clinton administration, or by any dem administration for that matter, so that’s a moot point.”
Well at least you admit what many in here do not. You party first, country second.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:30 pmshane,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmIslam began this war when they attacked the Eastern Roman Empire in 636 AD.
Read some history!
#240: And what’s this karma you keep talking about it? Got any scientific proof of it or are you (gasp!) just believing in it like the cre(a)t(o)inists?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmTony is not looking so well and should retire for his own benefit.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pmWhat does it say about the American system that these folks can come out day after day and flatly state blatant lie after blatant lie, and NO ONE holds them to any accountability?
When I first heard this remark, and without doing any research, I realized that this was an utter falsehood.
If we can’t hold them accountable for telling us the truth, what hope is there?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:32 pmYeah. A nickname “shane†tells it all about you, darling.
Comment by MAF54
It’s not a nickname enlightened one. It’s my real name. Old Irish proverb says you don’t mess with a persons name or his hat. I don’t wear hats. But your messing with the name my parents gave me. You can simply apologize now and we’ll forget about it.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:32 pm#246: Ah. You’re one of those confused ones.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pm#245: It’s called accepting the reality: there are people who are better equipped to deal with the reality than you, watching that tv.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:34 pmVerita,
You left out the Jihad of the 7th Century.
Why do Leftists never mention the 7th Century Jihad?
Also Bush hasn’t even come close to Hitler and Stalin.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pmHeck if he killed 40 Million Muslims he’s be my hero!
But he didn’t because he’s pussy!
MAF54,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:36 pmBush is a fraud.
The whole Governemnt and both political parties are frauds!
Thew Muslims control America.
Wake up!
Can any trolls answer this question:
When was the mathematical concept of zero developed, and by whom?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pmAnd Snow’s blatant lie is simply out there being used by the right wingers as fact, when it couldn’t be further from the truth.
The White House press corps is more like a real corpse. Stiff and useless.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pmMAF54,\
So Bush lied!
He’s in back pocket of the saudis.
The same way the Dems are in the back pocket of the Iranians!
America is run by Muslims.
Wake up!
Comment by The Joker — June 19, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
I haven’t had enough to drink to put my tinfoil hat on so I can only agree with the “So Bush lied” line.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pmIslam began this war when they attacked the Eastern Roman Empire in 636 AD. Read some history!
Comment by The Joker
America isn’t Rome Joker, nor are we Romans. America is only 200+ years old.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pm#251: Ah yes. The old “if they invented the zero, they must be really cool and humane” argument. What a load of bollocks.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:39 pmPatriotic Americans of both the Right and Left.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:39 pmWe should unite against our Islamic overlords by getting rid of the Republican and Democratic parties.
The Left should vote for the Green party and the Right should vote for the Libertarian party.
We must free ourselves from Islamic control.
Let’s put our difference aside and unite!
The White House press corps does its job: it reports. What do you want them to do, investigate?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:39 pmJeez. Man, you people are demanding.
Photon Entanglement,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:40 pmNo we aren’t Rome, but Rome represents the West!
We are a continuation of Roman Civilization.
Islam has been at war with us ever since.
Read History then talk to me!
“When was the mathematical concept of zero developed, and by whom?”
The Hindu Indian s did.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:41 pmNot the Muslims.
You fool!
Bush has more blood on his hands than Hitler, Stalin, and all of the Crusaders combined throughout history! You KNOW what his karma will be!
Comment by veritas
Yep his karma won’t keep him around long. And I’m pretty sure even the Rapture won’t help this fundie. His place in hell is RESERVED.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:42 pmYou mean SATAN!?!
They must really be screwed on this one. That’s always the last resort.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:42 pmWe must free ourselves from Islamic control.
Let’s put our difference aside and unite!
How is it you think we are under Islamic control? Elaborate please.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#260: Kind of funny that you’d believe in a thing like hell or some sort of cosmic retribution. What a waste of human mind.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:43 pmEver notice how our schizophrenic troll is unable to multi task with any level of efficiency? Mr. Roboto (Maf54’s alter ego) seems to appear precisely when the bloggers are chewing Maf up and spreading him all over the screen.
Check out the post times as well. You will never find MAF54 and Mr. Roboto zining in comments and time stamped for the same time….heh.
Add to that the fact that this idiot troll cannot be paid for his services since his typing speed is highly suspicious. It takes this neophyte at least 3-4 minutes to formulate a though and then to coordinate his fingers to do the typing. Anyone who would pay someone for that level of proficiency would need their head examined themselves.
Typing is definitely NOT Maf’s or Roboto’s forte! Check it out for the fun of it and see for yourself. This, together with study of linguistics, provides all the clues anyone really needs to out the trolls for whom they really are.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:44 pmIslam began this war when they attacked the Eastern Roman Empire in 636 AD.
Read some history!
Comment by The Joker
Weren’t the Romans in the Middle East?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:44 pmI’d say we’ve got some “shag trolls” in here.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:44 pmLook at that. Veritas and MAF54 are never posting comments at the same time. Tells you something about those two, now doesn’t it.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:45 pmSmells like some new trollshit in here today.
What happened? You’d think Tony Snow compared the Bush Crime family to the Clinton administration or something.
Pedophiles & cheap action hero name stealers, eh? I guess if that’s our biggest threat on this site, we’re in pretty good shape.
‘Useless, meaningless lives’ tells a huge story about their own existence.
I would suspect that most Neoturds are like this. They want some inheritance to support their lazy ass while making sermons to those who work hard & live honest lives. (GWB, anyone?)
These Silver Spoon Surfers are like the kids in class who were jealous of everyone else that actually had a life and went to school happy. Or that guy who has been on the job 12 years, but still only does year 1 level of comprehending the big picture of the job.
Folks, they’re still jealous of a blowjob! My God, Neoturds, pull that old, fat, unused wallet out & pay $20. Then maybe you could put a smile on your face!
Neoturds are now excited about someone they’re trying to reincarnate into Reagan, forgetting that Reagan’s legacy is the same as GWB’s… lies, distortions and outright pandering to corporate greed whores.
Neoturds, you’ve got a whore for President! Enjoy it while it lasts, because like any busy whore, he’s going to get busted.
Now, take your lazy asses and meaningless lives and do something besides hang out with people you don’t fit in with. Didn’t you learn anything in High School?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:45 pmDon’t you trolls ever get frustrated that your weak-azz arguments don’t seem to work here? I mean why do you bother? At least we let you argue here unlike the rightwing blogs that kick off all the liberals.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:46 pmIt’s really amazing to see just how low this worm will go. You gotta wonder, how can some of these people lives with themselves? Apparently, none of BushCo had mothers, at least mothers who taught them the golden rule, and that lying was wrong.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pmMAF54 is Mark Foley’s nick.
This troll is a pervert who supports pedophilia.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pmPhoton Entanglement,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:47 pmThe Saudis control the Republican Party.
That’s why Bush said it’s the religion of peace.
The Iranians control the Democratic party.
That’s why the Democrats are all Pro-Iran and support that regime.
The Media always portrays the Muslims as good and anyone who fights them (Russia, Serbia, Israel, Thailand, The Phillipines and Ethiopia) as bad!
Clinton and other politicians from both parties recieve money from Dubai.
Christians aren’t allowed to publicaly deisplay their faith without ridicule but Muslims are.
They run this country!
Wake up!
No we aren’t Rome, but Rome represents the West!
We are a continuation of Roman Civilization.
No, we are a continuation of European civilization. In reality the Bohemians were the forerunners of the Roman Empire.
Notice the little owl (Bohemian) on your dollar bill? We very nearly made German the language of America.
And I think it was the Mayans who came up with the concept of 0.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pmAh. You’re one of those confused ones.
Comment by MAF54
Confused how. I’ve been married for 22 years and have a 12 year old child. I think your the confused one Mr. Foley.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pm#269: I don’t consider myself a troll, but I just love this site. So many naive, bleeding heart liberals here that I can set straight.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pmveritas
Nothing much to slap down. He has only posted unsubstantiated crap. The fact is that America’s news sources are pro-Bush. They have been since before he came into power.
When last did the President get asked a seriously difficult, unscripted question? Even the easy unscripted questions have the jackass fumbling them. Even a good president has tough questions to answer and they are not waved off with “I’m the decider,” not when you have got a real press with real journalistic ethics.
Your press is far more interested in being insiders then actually reporting what is going on. Look at how little press coverage your protests are getting, not event the detail South Africa devotes to street vendors in Durban getting peeved at getting busted for not having licenses.
This is why America ranks below South Africa when it comes to press freedom, despite America’s long history of championing press freedom, and South Africa’s long history of repressing it.
We have a press which reports the news, mostly it is apolitical, sometimes it is distinctly anti-elements of the left (For example, currently Cosatu is not covering itself in glory) sometimes it is anti-elements of the right (For example, the Boeremag didn’t cover itself in glory either) but we report the news.
In America? You seem far more interested in covering Paris Hilton going to jail.
I am a part of South Africa’s mainstream media, not a big part, my name isn’t in print, but I am a part of it. While there are things about South Africa’s media I would like to see changed I am not ashamed of my job. I would feel differently if I worked for the American mainstream media.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pmthat lying was wrong.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pmPfft. Just how old are you?
shane,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:51 pmSyria, Israel and Egypt were atern Roman provinces.
They were Greek in Culture.
The Mulsim came from the Arabian deserts.
The locals called themselves Romoi meaning Roman in Greek.
Learn History.
Veritas and MAF54 are never posting comments at the same time. Tells you something about those two, now doesn’t it.
Comment by MAF54
Humor isn’t your THING Mr. Foley. Give it up. But if you wish to entertain, we’re still waiting for an explanation of YOUR NICKNAME.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pmThe Saudis control the Republican Party.
That’s why Bush said it’s the religion of peace.
The Iranians control the Democratic party.
We are certainly addicted to oil if thats what you mean.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pmMAF54 is a typical Repuke troll. He’s an idiot and he likes to hump boys.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:52 pmBruce Gorton,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:53 pmThe Muslims control the Media in America.
America is under Islamic control!
I don’t consider myself a troll, but I just love this site. So many naive, bleeding heart liberals here that I can set straight.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
How sweet. And I’m sure Scooter Libby doesn’t consider himself a criminal, either.
And as for “setting straight” all these “naive bleeding heart liberals” — when are you going to get started on that?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:53 pmTom3,
Notice I called him on him saying Bush never lied!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:54 pmHe didn’t expect it from a Right Angle!
Ha!
Let’s make common cause and free our nation from the Muslims!
Photon Entanglement ,
June 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pmIt’s deeper than that.
Notice the Republicans are Pro-Saudi.
Notice the Democrats are Pro-Iran.
Both are enemies of America!
Strange!
Hmmm?
Syria, Israel and Egypt were atern Roman provinces.
They were Greek in Culture.
The Mulsim came from the Arabian deserts.
The locals called themselves Romoi meaning Roman in Greek.
Learn History.
Comment by The Jok
My point was the Romans were in the Middle East and that Muslims didn’t go to Rome to attack them. Get it?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:56 pmThey were Greek in Culture.
I would have to say we took some ideas from Platos Republic.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:56 pmTom3: There you go again. Boys, humping,… please control yourself and get some help for your sick homosexual tendencies.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pm“In reality the Bohemians were the forerunners of the Roman Empire.”
Nope, Bohemia came about in the 9th Century.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:57 pmBy that time Rome only controlled the Balkans, Anatolia, Northern Syria and South Italy.
Bohemians aren’t German they’re Slavic.
The Cazech Republic is Bohemia.
Although Culturally they are German.
Tom3: There you go again. Boys, humping,… please control yourself and get some help for your sick homosexual tendencies.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Wow. This is kind of like Rudy Giuliani criticising someone for cross-dressing.
June 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pm#257
“The White House press corps does its job: it reports.”
I think that you will find that “To report” as it applies to Government function is “…to watch for and write about the newsworthy aspects or developments of (a factual event)… and to give a formal or official statement of (the truth)…”
To say the Whore House Press Corps “Reports” the truth and the facts is the greatest fiction ever perpetrated upon the commenters on TP.
The last time Tony Snow told the truth was….(help me please as it must have been before my time!)
June 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pmWhat’s with some folks’ steadfast refusal to vote Democratic? I must have heard at least 4 or 5 callers to CSPAN say “Icould never vote for a Democrat.” The, we gat a sample of the same here:
WTF? Don’t y’all know where the prosperity you’ve always enjoyed came from? It came from Democratic principles applied to governance after the last time “conservatives” let “Corporate America” run the show. Your education, your income, your healthcare programs (until Uncle Ronnie toook the helm), your infrastructure – the whole nine yards.
And you want to destroy that which made you. Why do you hate yourselves?
You’d rather follow a bunch of lying, immoral, greedy, criminal, thieving (from your own pocket), war-mongering, debt-increasing, rights-denying, vote-surpressing, Constitution-raping facists.
Makes sense.
One question: where do I get the drugs?
June 19th, 2007 at 3:59 pmI can’t wait to see how the “Clinton did it too” defense plays in front of a Federal judge.
I just love it when Repukes go to jail.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pmThe Muslims control the Media in America. -Joker.
That certainly explains why Roger Ailes looks so much like Alfred Hitchcock.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pmshane,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pmThe Roman Empire was based in Constantinople by the 7th Century.
They lost their Nothwestern provinces and 1/2 of Italy to Barbarian invaders.
The population of Syria, Israel. Egypt and North Africa was Greek and latin speaking with some Arameaic and Coptic speakers.
They called themselves Roman and considered themselves Roman.
They were no longer an Empire and were a Nation, Like america is today.
In fact it wasn’t called the Roman empire it was called Romania “Land of the Romans”.
The Muslims were invaders from ASrabia.
As a true Leftist you defend the Muslims to no end.
They commited agression against the Romans.
Read Histoiry.
Until then,
Dismissed!
tony snow’s only function is to lie
June 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pmThere you go again. Boys, humping,… please control yourself and get some help for your sick homosexual tendencies.
Comment by MAF54
Let me ask this slowly. W h y t h e n a m e MAF54 i f you d o n ‘ t l i k e l i t t l e b o y s ?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:02 pmJoker, what do you propose to do about the Muslims?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:02 pmDon’t y’all know where the prosperity you’ve always enjoyed came from? It came from Democratic principles
June 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmBwahahahahaha!
smafdy,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmThe Democrats are run by Iranians.
They are traitors like the Republicans.
JHey let’s not forget Jimmy Carter.
10% unemployment and double digit inflation!
He almost ruined this country!
#297: My initials and the year of my birth. What’s the big deal?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pmTom3: There you go again. Boys, humping,… please control yourself and get some help for your sick homosexual tendencies.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Must be fun to be a troll. Stir the pot, take a stupid position just to see what kind of responses you get. Don’t take a stand. Don’t try to meaningfull add to any debate, continue the steriotype that says all blog posters are innane whack-jobs who don’t know what they’re talking about. Too bad I’m burdened with manners and a sense of value. Otherwise I could be a troll too.
Well, I suppose if there weren’t actual examples of whack-jobs out there, they couldn’t keep the steriotype going at all.
And yet another name I can add to my ignore bucket.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pmWait I thought the Jews controlled America. Now it’s the Muslims?
I secretly suspect it’s racist middle-aged conservative white guys who secretly control America.
But hey that’s just me.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pmAs a true Leftist you defend the Muslims to no end.
They commited agression against the Romans.
Read Histoiry.
Until then,
Dismissed!
Comment by The Joker
Wow I didn’t know I was defending Muslims. Thanks for straightening me out. Although I’m not sure what ancient history has to do with RNC emails.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pmBohemians aren’t German, but they are German.
Comment by The Joker
Oooooo..kay…
June 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pmswordsbane, you forget, MAF doesn’t consider himself a troll. He just acts in every way like one.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pmMAF54, you have an instant message from Karl. He wants his ruler back.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pmWhat it sounds like is Snow is admitting to committing a crime. “Yes we used the same (illegal) method set-up by the previous administration.”
I don’t believe it for one second. This administration kept NOTHING of Clinton’s. Even if it would benefit them, if it was the Clinton way it was the Highway.
Anyway, this is the lamest excuse Snow-job has put forth yet. They should beat him to death with this.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pmMy initials and the year of my birth. What’s the big deal?
Comment by MAF54
Because I’ve seen hundreds of references to it being Foley’s email address. You haven’t noticed them I guess. No surprise.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmAs a true Leftist you defend the Muslims to no end. -Joker
And the right, as you just posted, supports Arab Muslims?
And the Pilgrims came over on flying carpets.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWilco,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pm1st Leftwing Americans must vote Green and Rightwing Americans must vote Libertarian.
Then a unity government must be formed and the media purged of Islamic sympathizers.
Then Muslim assets in America must be frozen.
Then have the IRS audit our corporation and purge them of Islamic agents and money.
No more immigrants from Muslims countries.
Then trails of The Democratic and Republica prty leaders for their association with ene,my nations of Iran and audi Arabia.
that would be a start.
Joker, you self-hating git:
The Muslims control the media?
Well, they certainly control the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, Russert, etc…
In fact, the Muslims don’t have to lift a finger – these guys will invent Muslims out of thin air. Sorta’ like Muslim Ninjas. They’re everywhere, you know. Waiting to kill us. Oh…Did you see that? Something just flashed past the window! It was a Muslim!
Like I said before – where do I get the drugs.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:08 pmI secretly suspect it’s racist middle-aged conservative white guys who secretly control America.
But hey that’s just me.
Comment by werenotgonnatakeit — June 19, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Bingo, I believe we have a winner here.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:09 pmJoker, you’re funny. Or sick in the head. I’m going with funny, though. I’m a hopeful kinda guy.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:09 pmPhoton Entanglement,
No Bohemians are Slavic racially and linguistically, they speak Czech.
Tjhe Czech Republic is Bohemia.
However they are culturally German.
They have the same customs and traditions.
That’s what I meant.
Alos I never said you defended Muslims.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pmI believe you know I’m right about the Muslims controlling America.
My initials and the year of my birth. What’s the big deal?
Comment by MAF54
Thats the AOL screen name Mark Foley used [MAF54] and why people relate your moniker to the disgraced member of congress.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pmPut up, or shut up, ya’ freekin skid mark.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pmTony, it’s late in the game and in your situation maybe a good idea to be scoring some points. Don’t continue the bidding for these assclowns. TV news ratings will crater as the remaining 28% dead-enders finally wake up and realize they’ve been duped all these years.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pmswordsbane, you forget, MAF doesn’t consider himself a troll. He just acts in every way like one.
Comment by Wilco — June 19, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Trolls never consider themselves trolls. Have you ever heard anyone here admitting it? I knew he was a troll when he said that Bush doesn’t lie. Even people who still support Bush think he lies. They just argue about how often and why, It was fun drawing him out… They all eventually step on their crank.
as for Snowjob?? He used to be on Fox News… nuff said.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pmwerenotgonnatakeit,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pmWrong!
It appears that way but it isn’t so.
The Saudis and Iranians control both parties and influence our corporations.
If “Whitemen” ran this country, why is the media Pro-Muslim when we’re at war with them?
Because it’s a set up!
I believe you know I’m right about the Muslims controlling America. Comment by The Joker.
Could you provide a link to something to bolster your opinion?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmMAF54,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmYour Republican party are frauds like the Dems!
Wake up Bush is a traitor and a Saudi agent!
I should have read your previous posts before responding to you. I didn’t realize you were insane. Thought it was good drugs. Sorry.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:14 pmwerenotgonnatakeit,
Wrong!
It appears that way but it isn’t so.
The Saudis and Iranians control both parties and influence our corporations.
If “Whitemen†ran this country, why is the media Pro-Muslim when we’re at war with them?
Because it’s a set up!
Comment by The Joker — June 19, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
Then we have people like this, who are the internet equivalent of those nut balls you sometimes see preaching doom on the street corners. They have about as much to say and should be ignored just like the nut balls on the street corners.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:15 pm1st Leftwing Americans must vote Green and Rightwing Americans must vote Libertarian.
Then a unity government must be formed and the media purged of Islamic sympathizers.
Then Muslim assets in America must be frozen.
Then have the IRS audit our corporation and purge them of Islamic agents and money.
No more immigrants from Muslims countries.
Then trails of The Democratic and Republica prty leaders for their association with ene,my nations of Iran and audi Arabia.
that would be a start.
Comment by The Joker
That was so beautiful, it made me cry. Except the part about trailing Republican leaders.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pmsmafdy,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pmThe Media is pro-Muslims.
Why is it every conflict Islam is involved with, they’re portrayed as the good guys?
Answer?
Also Hannity and Limbaugh are saudi agents.
Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann are Iranian agents.
Also notice people complain about Hispanic immigrants but nothing about Muslim immigrants?
Strange since Spanish people are Christian.
In fact the Minutemen and Lou Dobbs are Al-Qaeda and Hizb’allah front agents to confuse the population as towards their real agenda!
Wake up!
Daddy Rove ,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI meant trails.
Snow looks like hell….. wonder how much longer he is going to continue with this job.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmAnd who will be his replacement?
Joker is the funniest guy I’ve ever come across on here!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmJoker is the funniest guy I’ve ever come across on here!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:18 pmYou’re funnier than Carrottop!
Photon Entanglement ,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:21 pmPlease wake up.
Why do Muslims get speacial priviledges that other religions don’t?
Why is the media Pro-Muslim?
I’m actually investigating these connections and will have a website soon on this.
My friend who’s helping me is a Green party member.
He didn’t belive me until he observed what I observed.
So we’re uniting.
I just want Rightwing and Leftist patriots to put our differnces aside and realize the Iranians and Saudis are manipulating us.
You know something is wrong and I can tell you’re open minded.
You are a patriot, I see that.
Wev must unite and remove our Islamic oppressors!
Wilco,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmCan you disprove anything I said?
Isn’t the media Pro-Muslims?
Yes or No?
MAF54 – is an immature, loser, who is hated by everyone he knows in real life and comes here to take it out on others, heck even dogs hate him…you can tell what a total loser he is by his posts.
It is best not to respond to his crap posts that are meant to disrupt the thread and attack you emotionally. Personally I never respond to that neanderthal knuckle-dragging subhuman scum sucking puke. Everything he posts shows what a freaking loser he is.
IGNORE THE TROLLS – Debate good, MAF54 sucks
June 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThe Joker
Corporations control your media, and what is worse, the worst kind of short-term-thinkers control the corporations that control the media. There is very little of worth in the average 5yr CEO. (So titled because they only stick around for 5 years, until the bills start coming in.)
The 5yr CEO meanwhile takes the interests of the advertisers in the news industry far and above the interests of the news-reader. The advertiser is in essence, the customer while the reader is simply the recipient. Go out, buy a newspaper and look at how much advertising copy there is in it.
Journalists have been fired in America for publishing the truth about products your media advertised, and the courts have upheld those firings.
If America’s media wants to know why newspaper sales are dropping every year, why the only newspapers with growing readerships are the news equivelants of Mad Magazine, they need only look to the fact that neither the leftwing nor the rightwing really believes what it reads in the newspaper anymore.
The hard news reader is switching to the internet and a few trusted sites, because the hard news reader is no longer interested in reading copy that is essentially censored by the advertisers.
If the news industry is going to survive we need a return in a big way of the news. Less editorial, more content.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pmWilco,
Can you disprove anything I said?
Isn’t the media Pro-Muslims?
Yes or No?
Comment by The Joker — June 19, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
No
June 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pmswordsbane,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:25 pmSo why in conflicts Muslims are involved in they’re alwayds considered the good guys?
If the media isn’t Pro-Muslims why aren’t the Islamic supremist organizations calling for Sharia law in America exposed?
Bruce Gorton,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pmI agree with you!
Who control those Corporations?
The Shareholders.
Who are the biggest share holders?
The Muslims!
Their influence must be removed!
Joker, I don’t make a habit of trying to prove negatives.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pmI’ve never found the media to be pro-muslim, no. They might be a bit anti-war, but that doesn’t mean they’re pro-muslim.
swordsbane,
So why in conflicts Muslims are involved in they’re alwayds considered the good guys?
If the media isn’t Pro-Muslims why aren’t the Islamic supremist organizations calling for Sharia law in America exposed?
Comment by The Joker — June 19, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
My who? The media is pro Bush… or at least not anti-Bush, and treats the whole subject with kid gloves. The Muslims aren’t the cause of the problems or of the fight against us. The religion of Islam is being used as a tool by people to stir up trouble, just as it is used by Bush to stir up the US against them. It is taboo in this country to persecute a religion, but the media does everything but actually calling Islam evil. They constantly ask the question “Is terror part of Islam” Give me a break…. Pro-Muslim? Not!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmBut you are virulently anti-Muslim. Bigoted and prejudiced. To join so many esteemed others, I will make a crappy Nazi comparison: you would do to Muslims what Hitler did to the Jews (well, maybe except for the concentration camps…maybe).
June 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmCould you provide a link to something to bolster your opinion?
Comment by Photon Entanglement
I guess you just crossed the line in troll bashing.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pmWilco,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:30 pmSo why were Ahmadinejad a man who called for genocide against Israel and said America will be detroyed and Bashar Assad portrayed glowingly in interviews?
Why is Ahmadinejad always given favorable prewss?
Why isn’t the media reporting the Jihad against Thailand?
Why when Ethiopia attacked Al-Qaeda and UIC in Somolia they were portrayed as bad guys?
Why in Kossovo when the Serbians were fighting the Al-Qaeda backed KLA were they the bad guys?
Why are Islkamic Suprmeist groups never exposed in the media?
See a trend?
I gotta agree with Wilco. Joker is the funniest MoFo here.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:30 pmswordsbane,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:32 pmIf the media is anti-Muslim why is Ahmadinejad always portrayed in a favorable light?
Why are the Pro-=Jihad Mosques in AMerica never exposed?
The media is controlled by Muslims!
Wake up!
Wilco,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI’m not advocating genocide against Muslims.
I just want their influenced removed.
They have too much power and they control this nation!
Us Patriots must do something!
Joker, you are hilarious!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pmJoker. More like Smoker (of Crack).
June 19th, 2007 at 4:35 pmThe fact is guys wake up.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:35 pmThe Republicans are Saudi puppets and the Democrats are Iranian puppets.
That’s the truth just observe the news and you’ll see Muslims as the good guys, anypone who fights them the bad guys.
Nobody has disproven what I’ve said.
Wake up my fellow american patriots before it’s too late and our grandchildern will be forced to pray to Mecca!
Joker, I know you’re not advocating genocide. But you are blaming them for many problems. You want them all corralled up. And you want them shipped off. These three things Hitler wanted too. But since he couldn’t find any other countries to take all Germany’s Jews, his “final solution” was to put them in camps and later kill them. So you’re like Hitler, just no “final solution”
June 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmThe Joker
Shareholders don’t control anything and they are largely temporary besides. Most shareholders don’t even really know what they have shares in.
As to the Muslims controlling your press: Not if your press earns interest at any given point because that goes against Sharia law. The is a reason why you have Islamic Banks, Muslims have specific rules when it comes to earning interest.
The guys who really control your press, are your businesses. And your businesses, your big powerful ones, are largely amoral organisations interested in making money, and a free press often gets in the way of this.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmHey guys it’s Patrick1, but I’m currently posting as MAF54.
Isn’t it cute?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pm#258
Ah yes. The “History of Revenge”.
If I remember my “Biblical History” (a conflict in terms, like “religious schoolar”) God set man upon the earth to take revenge on one another. Personally, I choose to forgive past wrongs. Especially when the guilty are dead.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:37 pmThe media is controlled by Muslims!
LOL joker.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:38 pmWilco,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:39 pmYou do have to admit that the Pro-Iran stance of the Dems and the Pro-Saudi stance of the Reps is strange?
As for my solution.
Round them up and send them to Saudi Arabia.
Then let the Saudi deal with where to send them.
I say kick the Muslims out and replace them with Mexicans!
kelso
It does sort of leave one scratching one’s head over things like, the American press popularising words like “Islamo-fascist.”
June 19th, 2007 at 4:39 pmBruce Gorton,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:42 pmActually the American Press doesn’t use the word Islamo-Fascist.
They say Terrorist which is dumb. They are Islamic Fascists.
The only people who use the term Islamo-Fascist are genuine Rightists and Leftists who value a Liberal Secular society and belive that one group shouldn’t get special treatment like Muslims do.
Joker, I don’t have to admit jack. The Reps are cozy with the Saudis as every admin has been because they have OIL. I have no idea what you mean by the Dems being Pro-Iran. Unless you’re equating their support for diplomatic efforts with Iran as being pro-Iran as opposed to, perhaps, anti-war.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:42 pmSo you’re still reaching.
And silly!
I don’t consider myself a troll, but I just love this site. So many naive, bleeding heart liberals here that I can set straight.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
I am here quite a bit and I don’t see it from the same delusional view you see it…I see you showing your ass everyday and nobody buying your bullshit.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pm#113
Yeah, but Clinton needed it….bad!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pmRe: But those email accounts were set up, A, on a model based on the prior administration, which had done it the same way, in order to try to avoid Hatch Act violations. And we’ll just — we’ll leave it at that.
Of course he’s going to “leave it at that” because he’s a lying sack of shit and can’t prove that Clinton “did it too.”
Damn this administration. Between “I don’t recall” and “I can’t remember” and “Clinton did it too,” and the other shit they have done, they are a qualified failure.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:48 pmJoker, you’re againsts special treatment for Muslims if it helps them, but you’re for special treatment for Muslims if it hurts them?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pmPlease wake up. Why do Muslims get speacial priviledges that other religions don’t? -Joker
The three major religions are Abrahamic, Joker.
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I guess I did at that Juan =)
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Pro-Saudi stance of the Reps is strange? -Joker
Oh I see, your talking about Oil and such coporations such as or like ARAMCO. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Aramco
Saudi Aramco’s history dates back to May 29, 1933, when the Government of Saudi Arabia signed a concessionary agreement with Standard Oil of California (Socal) allowing them to explore Saudi Arabia for oil. Standard Oil of California passed this concession to a wholly-owned subsidiary called California-Arabian Standard Oil Co. (Casoc). In 1936 with the company having no success at locating oil, the Texas Oil Company purchased a 50% stake of the concession.
Even so Joker Americans own a large part of the oil business. I used to work with some of these Texas oilmen, trust me, they aren’t governed by Muslims. Money is the name of the game.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pmUs Repubs are better than you Libruls, but when we get caught breaking the law we either blame Clinton for it or we simply say “But But Clinton did it too” (which is kinda weird since we’re better than Clinton, right?).
June 19th, 2007 at 4:51 pmYo Tony, dude, you should really retire and enjoy life and take it easy you aren’t looking to well and that job is not good for your health.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:52 pm#159
“Reading the posts of neocon trolls gives insight into the lack of intelligence of the Republican base”
As if the Democratic base, i.e. MoveOn.org is reasonable?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pmYou know what, Herr Joker? I just realized… I don’t care.
The tactic you’re using is the same tactic that Fundies use to try to convert me. “Do this because God wants you to.” Except your argument is “Don’t do this because the Islamo-fascists want it.”
Either way, it doesn’t matter. I don’t care if the United States is getting it’s marching order from Riyad. Yes, I said that. I don’t care if the Arabs are calling the shots. What matters is the orders that come down the pipe, not what those orders are. Our rights are being stepped on and even if he’s just a pawn, Bush is responsible for it. If we kick him out and things don’t change enough to quiet the majority, then we’ll get rid of the next guy, and the next until we find a guy who will do what we say… or in your world, we’ll keep kicking out the middleman until the powers that be put someone in who at won’t piss us off, and if that means the Islamo-fascists don’t get us to behave, then that’s just too damned bad.
So even if I stipulate that what you say is true, it isn’t going to make me kick all the Muslims out of the country, or outlaw Islam, or make Christianity our state religion, or kick out both the Democrats and Republicans. I already have more than enough reasons to never ever vote for a Republican or Democrat again.
And weather it is why they hate us or not, we need to get out of Iraq and the middle east and Israel and let them solve their own damned problems for once.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pmPhoton Entanglement
The three major religions are Abrahamic, Joker.
Wrong.
Islam copied elemnts of Judiasm, Chriatianity, Arabian Paganism and Persian Zorastorianism.
Thei god Allah was the Arabian Moon God hence a cresent symbol.
The other Gods were demoted to Jin(Genies)
Mohammad was also a pedophile who married a 9 year old name Aisha and he was a Dog hater.
It was Cult that got lucky.
Wilco,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:57 pmThey are Pro-Iran.
They don’t condemn the regime, they don’t mention that Bin Laden’s son Saad and other AL-Qaeda leaders are there.
They constantly Defend the Iranian regime if people criticize it and don’t call for de investing in companies that do business.
Heck I once saw a Democratic congressman defending Ahmadinejad.
The Dems are Pro-Iran.
You’re just blinded by partisan loyalty to see that.
You’re no different than MAF54.
A Pro Muslim hack!
#170
“In fact, it’s irrational to believe anything bad you hear about a Democrat.”
That because many liberals think that they are immortal and infoulable. LOL!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:59 pmpathetic liar…
June 19th, 2007 at 5:01 pmA Pro Muslim hack!
Comment by The Joker — June 19, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Ah here we get to the root of it. Anyone who disagrees with you is a pro-muslim hack. Spoken like the fanatics you are trying to warn us about. Not going to help your credibility any.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:01 pmswordsbane,
June 19th, 2007 at 5:01 pmYou are a fool.
We should get rid of our masters and be a free nation again.
We the people should take power.
We must vote both the Dems and Reps out!
Then have trials to purge our government of the Islamic hacks.
I want a free and soveirn nation!
The only thing you said that I agree with is for us to get out of Iraq!
As for Israel, we’re not in Israel and it’s an ally.
It’s a dager aimed at the Muslims throat.
But I fear that Olmert is an Islamic puppet too.
I am a real patriot not you.
I want Amereicans to run this nation not the Saudis or the Iranians!
Snow is full of crap. Why the hell doesn’t the media just call him out on his crap?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:02 pmswordsbane,
June 19th, 2007 at 5:03 pmYou are blinded by loyalt to your Iranian controlled party.
Wake up.
If you’re a Lefty vote Green. If you’re a Right vote Libertarian.
Our Islamic masters must be removed.
Military Coup anyone!
#188
Again how would you know? Please take it as a joke.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:03 pmdon’t consider myself a troll, but I just love this site. So many naive, bleeding heart liberals here that I can set straight.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Do you consider yourself a pedophile? I offer you yet another chance to explain the moniker. Until such time as you do so, no one will take you seriously and you will “straighten” no one. Why not clue us in? Once we get past the offensive nature of the MAF54 crap you can get right to enlightening us with your knowledge of the ways of the world. Till then….
June 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pm#202
And if you are an engineer or architect this site make much more sense.
http://www.debunking911.com/
June 19th, 2007 at 5:05 pmIslam copied elemnts of Judiasm, Chriatianity, Arabian Paganism and Persian Zorastorianism. -Joker
So now Islamics are but Abrahamics Like I said before. Isaa is just another name for the Prophet Jesus in the Koran. Did you ever notice, like the last few nites Joker, that Venus (the morning/evening star what Isous called himself) is under the crescent moon?
Jesus (Christians) took from the magi (sacred geometry) which also probably came from the Mayans. We see minarets in the soviet union and in Iraq. Does that mean we are controlled by communists?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:11 pmPoor Tony is going to DIE soon.
Yet he LIES to the American people with the Almighty God watching…
Just like MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL TRAITOR Bush does.
So much for following Jesus’ teachings…
June 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pmswordsbane,
You are a fool.
We should get rid of our masters and be a free nation again.
We the people should take power.
We must vote both the Dems and Reps out!
Then have trials to purge our government of the Islamic hacks.
I want a free and soveirn nation!
The only thing you said that I agree with is for us to get out of Iraq!
As for Israel, we’re not in Israel and it’s an ally.
It’s a dager aimed at the Muslims throat.
But I fear that Olmert is an Islamic puppet too.
I am a real patriot not you.
I want Amereicans to run this nation not the Saudis or the Iranians!
Comment by The Joker — June 19, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Again with the preaching. Sheesh! It didn’t work for the Jehova’s Witnesses, and it isn’t going to work for you.
We ARE a free nation. The determiner of that is US, not them. I don’t care who our masters are as long as they know the lines they can’t cross.
We must vote.. period, and we must make certain the voting process isn’t corrupted. We can’t take back power because we still have it. As long as we can vote.
I’m not going to put anyone on trial for being an Islamic hack. I’ll put them on trial for violating the constitution. If they happen to be Islamic hacks, then great. It doesn’t matter who or what they are. It matters what they do.
We are IN Israel. When they jump, we jump. They can do no wrong. We back them no matter what. We do it because we want a friend in the region to play off against the others. Israel isn’t any more innocent than they are. There were plenty of cease-fires that they violated too.
If you are a patriot, the only thing you have to do is uphold the constitution. I do. The only condition besides number of votes and age 35 for president is that they must be a natural born citizen. Their religion doesn’t enter into it. If a member of the Islamic religion wanted to be president that doesn’t bother me. That his policies might conflict with the constitution.. that DOES bother me.
Americans DO run this country. The only freedoms they can take away from us is the ones we give them.
You want a free and sovereign nation? Then cut out the rhetoric and try using an argument…. not fear-mongering, which is exactly what the current administration used to get us into this stupid war.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pm#219
The nutcase followers of fundementalist Islam FAR out number the Christian wackos, and seem to act on their beliefs rather frequently.
You can expect people to be killed or terrorist attacks to be carried out because of this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article1951462.ece
I don’t think ,however, you will hear to much about the aftermath of this:
http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20070618-110230-8327
Islam needs to go thru what Christianity has already gone thru….evolution.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pmI’m not going to put anyone on trial for being an Islamic hack. I’ll put them on trial for violating the constitution. If they happen to be Islamic hacks, then great. It doesn’t matter who or what they are. It matters what they do.
I agree. Even though TRAITOR Bush is a Saudi azzhole-licker and FRIENDS WITH THE BIN LADENS,
it is the FACT that he has VIOLATED OUR CONSTITUTION REPEATEDLY that means he should be ON TRIAL for TREASON against the USA.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:18 pm#219
The nutcase followers of fundementalist Islam FAR out number the Christian wackos, and seem to act on their beliefs rather frequently.
You can expect people to be killed or terrorist attacks to be carried out because of this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/ tol/ comment/ faith/ article1951462.ece
I don’t think ,however, you will hear to much about the aftermath of this:
http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20070618-110230-8327
Islam needs to go thru what Christianity has already gone thru….evolution.
Comment by Tracy — June 19, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
That doesn’t have much to do with what I was saying. I was saying that politics, not religion is behind terrorism AND Christian fundamentalism. Political figures are using religion to make the masses agree with them unconditionally. We give weight to their argument by messing with their countries and giving them something to hate. There’s nothing like raising a generation of martyrs to help your cause. You don’t even have to survive your enemies. Islam is not any more dangerous than Christianity. Don’t get me wrong; Christianity is plenty dangerous, but that’s not the point. Clutching the Koran and saying “God is great” does not make someone a terrorist, or even a potential convert to terrorism. What makes someone a potential terrorist is nothing to lose, and America happily helps provide them with an abundance of that.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pmClinton couldn’t have used a non-official e-mail system to bypass the Hatch Act.
Had he done so, odds are high that the Republicans in Congress would have gotten wind of it and investigated his ass.
Instead, they went after him for something far more evil and far more dangerous to the security of our country, namely Whitewater (which occurred before he became president) and a lie about a sexual encounter between two consenting adults.
(By the way…according to the Starr Report, it was Monica who, after months of flirting between her and Clinton, enticed him by raising her dress and showing him the straps on her thong the first time they were able to get time alone. So spare me the “poor little Monica” shit. She knew exactly what she was doing.)
June 19th, 2007 at 5:28 pmShe knew exactly what she was doing.)
Comment by WC — June 19, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Which makes Clinton a DOOFUS. I’d rather not have someone like that running the country either… granted he didn’t get tens of thousands of people killed for nothing, but….. Choosing between evil and stupid is a hard choice.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pmswordsbane,
June 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pmYou’re a brainwashed fool.
I don’t want Muslims foreign masters in Theran and Iran controlling my nation.
As for Israel.
The enemy of my enemy is my friemnd.
Screw the Muslims.
The Chinese will ahnd it to them in a few years you’ll see!
The only solution is voting out the Dems and Reps and replacing them with Greens and Libertarians.
Or a Military coup.
swordsbane,
You’re a brainwashed fool.
I don’t want Muslims foreign masters in Theran and Iran controlling my nation.
As for Israel.
The enemy of my enemy is my friemnd.
Screw the Muslims.
The Chinese will ahnd it to them in a few years you’ll see!
The only solution is voting out the Dems and Reps and replacing them with Greens and Libertarians.
Or a Military coup.
Comment by The Joker — June 19, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
You know, I know you’re saying something, but it just looks like crap on my screen… That’s odd.
Anyway… You’re right.. I’m wrong… I should have seen it before, blahblahblah…
Now go away.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:37 pmswordsbane,
June 19th, 2007 at 5:41 pmYou’re just brainwashed.
In your simple world it’s Democrats good and Republicans bad.
Yoiu can’t see both parties are controilled by Islamic interests.
I guess ignorance is bliss!
swordsbane,
You’re just brainwashed.
In your simple world it’s Democrats good and Republicans bad.
Yoiu can’t see both parties are controilled by Islamic interests.
I guess ignorance is bliss!
Comment by The Joker — June 19, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
I’ll add illiteracy to the problems I see in you. I don’t like either of them, I think a vote for either a democrat or republican is stupid beyond words. I just don’t think they are controlled by the Saudis.
Don’t let the spittle collect under your chin too much.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:44 pmPass it on, George has been having an affair in the oval office, but he says it is OK. Clinton did it too.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:03 pmPass it on, George has been having an affair in the oval office, but he says it is OK. Clinton did it too.
Comment by Helga — June 19, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Except dubya’s affair was only with himself.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:05 pmWhich makes Clinton a DOOFUS. I’d rather not have someone like that running the country either… granted he didn’t get tens of thousands of people killed for nothing, but….. Choosing between evil and stupid is a hard choice.
Comment by swordsbane — June 19, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
I’d much rather have Clinton making a stupid choice to have an affair over an ignorant SOB who can’t ride a bike without falling off.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:12 pm#382
“I was saying that politics, not religion is behind terrorism AND Christian fundamentalism”
Politics in the Middle East is DIRECTLY controlled by religion. The U.S. being a secular nation prevent what countries in the Middle East can’t seem to get away from, i.e. the religious leaders having supreme authority over the political system. Iran is a prime example.
“Islam is not any more dangerous than Christianity.”
I agree by we aren’t talking about Christianity and Islam in general. We are talking about fundementalist Islam and Christianity in which one is far more wide spead and popular than the other.
“What makes someone a potential terrorist is nothing to lose, and America happily helps provide them with an abundance of that.”
It’s not America’s fault many of these people decided to pick up this violent form of Islam. The fact that the religious leaders in many Middle Eastern countries have adopted and profess this violent strain of Islam absolutely prevents people in those countries from prospering economically, politically, and socially. So clutching a Koran and saying we must kill the infidels, because your religious leader proclaims it, most certainly does make people become a terrorist. Again untill Islam goes thru the evolutionary process that Christianity did hundreds of years ago we are going to have a big problem for a long time.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:36 pm#391
“…who can’t ride a bike without falling off.”
He probably rides better than you and most definately in better shape.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:39 pm“Reading the posts of neocon trolls gives insight into the lack of intelligence of the Republican baseâ€
As if the Democratic base, i.e. MoveOn.org is reasonable?
Comment by Tracy
Likr night and day Tracy. Did your shift just start little troll?
June 19th, 2007 at 7:40 pmYou’re just blinded by partisan loyalty to see that.
You’re no different than MAF54.
A Pro Muslim hack!
Comment by The Joker
Nice job of hijacking Joker. This thread is on RNC email accounts however. Not the history or your interpretation of the middle east. I guess the Republican Party said to do anything so the illegal emails aren’t discussed, right. So you set up your entire nutbag theory so people could be left scratching their heads wondering what the hell your’re talking about.
I don’t think you’re funny Joker. Not even the slightest bit amusing. It’s not the Saudis or Iraqis causing the problems in this country. It’s the same White Anglo Saxon Prosestants pointing fingers at Jews, and Blacks, and Hispanics, and Muslims that have always run the country stirring up the same pot of shit they always stir up.
I think everybody would be wise to stroll right past you for now.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:47 pmAs if the Democratic base, i.e. MoveOn.org is reasonable?
‘Bout the same as Swift boats, Moral majorities, Clinton Chroniclers, and the rest. It is all BS, why buy into one and not the rest. Trust that which you believe in much?
June 19th, 2007 at 7:48 pmGeorge Washington did it too!
Has anyone tried reading George Washington’s emails? No? Of course not – they were all DESTROYED when he left office in 1797!
June 19th, 2007 at 7:49 pmHe probably rides better than you and most definately in better shape.
Comment by Tracy — June 19, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
Heh. Didn’t even touch the ignorant SOB part.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:56 pmIf Clinton did it too, then Kenneth Starr really dropped the ball, didn’t he?
June 19th, 2007 at 8:29 pmI continue to be amazed about the lack of integrity in the Press and in government in general.
God Bush has his cronies tell him what he wants to hear, when he wants to hear it. The Constitution, Law of the nation.. and any law or comments made that ARE OPPOSITE of what God Bush wants to hear… are COVERED AND SPIN into another train of thought.
Somewhere these emails are still in existence… it is just a question of finding them..
When in doubt IMPEACH BUSH.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:42 pmIf we “don’t have the emails anymore” and “can not recall who started the attorney list” then I guess the is no need to build George a library, nothing to put in it.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:08 pmHow far does it need to go before enough people wise up to these criminals.
IMPEACH NOW!
June 19th, 2007 at 10:55 pmMore about North Korea:
http://coreiadonorte.wordpress.com
June 20th, 2007 at 2:09 amI agree that people need to be prosecuted due to their illegal activities in this administration and possibly the former. The most important issue, however, is putting a person in office who has integrity and wants the government to, at the very least, follow the constitution as it was framed by the founders. The most important document ever written has been and is, continuing to be, twisted, ignored, violated to the point where it’s in danger of disappearing forever. There are many intelligent people on this site, so, I urge you to look at the political record of Ron Paul. I’ve never considered myself as a republican but what is important here is the man. He might not look like Mit Romney or have the political ruthlessness of Rudy or Hillary but he possesses something much more important. Integrity, the right answers to serious problems facing this nation and a firm belief that the constitution is the law of the nation. There is a reason why most of us are on sites like this one. We are tired of being lied to by the msm’s and not being listened to by the people we put in office. This forum(the internet) is our last chance to be heard and send a message to the neo-con’s that we want a change and we don’t like the options you are trying to shove down our throats. There is a reason why most people don’t know who Dr. Ron Paul is. The powers that be are scared to death of him. They try and shut him down with whatever means possible. He has won every debate poll convincingly, yet he isn’t even acknowledged by the msm’s. Check out his record, values, his life for yourself. I think you will be very surprised as I was at what kind of president we can have if we give him a chance. Let’s quit the bitching and take action. Lets make this a great nation again. I don’t know if we’ll get many more chances.
June 20th, 2007 at 5:14 amkinda funny that after nearly seven years in office, these assclowns can’t defend dummya based on his own merits but STILL have to resort to blaming his predecessor. what scumbags
June 20th, 2007 at 6:54 amThis is why Duncan Hunter should be president!
June 20th, 2007 at 8:02 amWow there sure are a lot of sad bitter people on here.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:44 amTony Snow is just whoring himself out to his handlers is all. There isn’t a single honest and honorable human being remotely associated with the Bush administration. And, it is laughable when some GOP-type troll (”lawz”)’s only comment is how there are a lot of “sad bitter people on here” … that’s a hoot … Clinton hasn’t been the Prez for the better-part of a decade now and the GOP losers who got all “sad and bitter” because Bill was getting the head no one will give them, they have to blame their own destruction of the greatest nation on the planet on Bill. Gee, nuttin’ to be “sad” about in that, huh, genius?
June 20th, 2007 at 9:06 amhis voice is high pitched and brittle. he looks very uncomfortable and looks away from the camera. boy, it would suck to have a job where you have to be the public liar for the mob.
June 20th, 2007 at 9:52 amTrue… so much bickering. History will not be kind to this administration. 20 yrs ago, any administration who committed so many crimes would all be in jail, or at least “honorably” resigned. Sure Clinton wasn’t perfect, especially in his personal life (but not an impeachable offense, as he lied under oath which is only a crime against the state when it concerns the state), however look at the total situation of the nation today and when Clinton was in office. One thing is for certain, you can’t deny what is going on in the world around you, thus a true “Patriot” must always be critical of their leaders, and make them work for us and the nation.
June 20th, 2007 at 10:47 amI couldn’t read a lot of the posts because I have a job and a life, neither of which centers around blogs. One thing I noticed though, and is why I have to post something let alone acknowledge that I wasted 10 minutes today even reading blogs I normally ignore, and I can’t help myself here because this was too painfully obvious…
MAF54 is a real idiot. It’s a no brainer. Just ignore him and his posts. All of you! You cannot argue with or change the mind of someone that has no mind of their own or anything resembling cognitive thought processes. It pains me to even post this because I’m falling prey to the same thing I’m saying to ignore. Just stop, get back to work, your lives, emailing your representatives or writing op-ed’s, etc. and get something real going in the way of changing your life. Blog postings like this and draconian tards like MAF54 are a complete waste, period.
June 20th, 2007 at 11:57 amIpso, there is some truth to this, i.e. that is why I acknowledged the bickering. However blogs are a new form of discussion, something that the US has lacked for a long time in the political world. Yes there are some stupid posts, name calling, etc, however there are also good discussions which allow people to be educated or educate and find out more about particular issues, policies, and politicians.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:04 pmSomeone has said that the current Bush presidency is certain to be remembered as the worst administration in US history, and also the only one (so far) that is likely to evoke historical comparisons with the government of Adolf Hitler.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:06 pmWell, the apple doesn’t rot far from the tree.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:27 pmSo if a criminal does something illegal it is OK if I do it too? Thanks Tony! Now I can do whatever I want!
Dave
June 20th, 2007 at 3:04 pm#394
There is nothing reasonable about the far left’s positions…which MoveOn.org is a party to.
June 20th, 2007 at 3:23 pm#398
I didn’t respond to the OPINION part…just the fact part. LOL!
June 20th, 2007 at 3:26 pmSome people seem to thing that they were born to lie. Here we have Tony Snow clinging on to his life and in hopes that his cancer goes bsck into remission, but he just cannot stay away from telling the big one. Just one more time, God, one more time. I promise I’ll quit after that said the liar to the drunk, or was that the drunk to the liar? Hmmm…of, course the thief was in their to…yep, that about sums up this administration liars, drunks, and thieves!!
June 20th, 2007 at 9:39 pmNo problemo, Tony! We welcome MORE crime, then MORE lies to (try to) cover up! Each incident is just one more nail in the coffin of this rotten-to-the-core administration who you whore for! GO TONY! GO TONY! GO TONY!
June 20th, 2007 at 11:07 pmHey MAF54, answer me this and I’m not being sarcastic, I’m serious, I just want to know and I PROMISE no smart-a$$ remarks. When Ridge said to go go out and buy duct tape and plastic sheeting, did you go buy them? If so, how much did you buy? If not, why not? Thanks!
June 20th, 2007 at 11:21 pmComment by Ipso — June 20, 2007 @ 11:57 am
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Dude, since this is your first and likely last visit to this site, you likely will not see this. However, in case you haven’t got a clue, the blogs such as this one offer the chance at long-distance discussion.
See, discussion about the political activities in this country are generally thought of as a good thing. Maybe you disagree, and that is your right. However, by your logic I would imagine that it’s pointless to discuss things political with our families or co-workers, or even strangers we meet in Wal-Mart. Because, you see, the discussions we have in those three environments are no different than what we have here.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:05 amOh, and back on topic, Tracy. Maybe you’d like to dig through the archives at FoxNews.com and show us where Clinton “did it too” in regards to using non-official e-mail systems for official government business. Apparently Tony Snow doesn’t have the info to back up his ignorant claims because he wants to throw out “Clinton did it too” and just “leave it at that.”
And as I said before, the Repubs in Congress likely would have gotten wind of it and strung up Clinton’s ass, but then again they were too involved in Clinton’s sexcapades. Much more salacious, that.
June 21st, 2007 at 12:51 amNot to defend Bush or anything, I think he’s as big of a fraud as any of the Democrats are (I pity the fools who trust any politician, of any political party), but if the Emails are missing, and deleted, then how do they know how many emails are missing? I’m not sure I see the big deal.
The thing we should be paying attention to is the fact that both sides of the spectrum are currently trying to suppress free speech with the fairness doctrine, and sell our country down the river with the amnesty bill, and a only a few people who control the entire American Media. We have far bigger problems on our hands then missing emails. Open your eyes, stop being republicans and democrats, and learn to be independent thinkers.
We are being sold down the river, the constitution is being rewritten as we speak, and the American people still can’t get over the war between Demicans, and Republicrats. Pure stupidity. You are better off trying to differentiate Pepsi and Coca-cola.
June 21st, 2007 at 5:47 pmWell, I see that my post was deleted that proved Bush is ignorant. I’ll be nice this time.
Tracy, there are countless “Bushisms” documented which show Bush is a few bricks short of a full load. You can find a great list here:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm
These are the work of an ignorant man. These are not cute little mis-steps or simply a matter of choosing the wrong word or words to relay a thought. No, if this were the case, there would be way fewer goof-ups.
And I was a little harsh about W’s mom, Barb. Maybe instead of using the “B” word to describe her, I’ll just say she’s heartless and leave it at that.
Referring to Hurricane Katrina evacuees that were relocated to Houston, Mrs. Bush said:
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:57 am
#424
http://politicalhumor.about.com/cs/quotethis/a/clintonquotes.htm
And if you want I can show you how dumb and moronic his wife is.
BTW your quote about Barbara Bush just show how BS PC you are. How is she making light of their situation? She is making a factual comment and in reality she is actually complimenting those who live in Texas. I too live in Texas and yes everyone here was justifiably worried about all of the Katrina refugees comming from Louisiana and no it wasn’t your dilusional miconception and inaccurate belief that we are “afraid” of a bunch of poor black people. As you know, we handled it better than ANY other state could with far more compasion than say a state full of assholes like New York or Vermont. It’s no suprise that many have decided to say here…and you know what we have no problem with it what so ever.
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:22 pm#422
I am not and HAVE NOT defended Snow’s comments about “well Clinton did it too”.
BTW if you want we can have a frank discussion about the use of the office of the president of the United States for illegal fund raising that went on in the Clintion administration, not to mention that big violator named Al Gore…we can.
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/06/24/gore/index.html
http://www.thememoryhole.com/pol/fec-clinton-gore.htm
June 22nd, 2007 at 2:32 pmComment by Tracy — June 22, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
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Oh dear God. In most of those quotes at the link you posted, Clinton was being comical on purpose.
“Being president is like running a cemetery: you’ve got a lot of people under you and nobody’s listening” certainly does match “You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you’re gone.”
Yes, people misspeak every once in awhile. Clinton did it, Bush does it. But there is a difference between speaking the wrong word and showing your ignorance.
As for Barb’s quote, the situation was bad enough for the folks who were relocated from NO. They sure as hell didn’t need for her to specifically point out that they were underpriviledged. It was an uncaring and heartless thing for her to say. Message: “You are underpriviledged and we are glad you feel at home.”
June 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmThis is what’s so pyscho about Bush, Cheney, Rice and Snow. Even if true, they continue to justify the most disgusting and illegal acts because someone else did the same thing. All the republicans have always talked about taking responsibility for your actions but with Bush, the buck stops at someone else’s desk.
June 24th, 2007 at 10:58 pm#427
http://www.quotemonk.com/authors/bill-clinton/index.htm
“But there is a difference between speaking the wrong word and showing your ignorance.”
Yes Bush and Clinton are both good at it.
She was having sympathy for them and I am sure that they feel that that they are underprivledged considering their inability to rebuild their lives quickly.
June 25th, 2007 at 1:30 pm