The Constitution according to Jack Bauer.
The Constitution according to Jack Bauer.
During a recent legal conference, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia defended television character Jack Bauer, the “maverick federal agent” who “routinely tortures terrorists.”
The conservative jurist stuck up for Agent Bauer, arguing that fictional or not, federal agents require latitude in times of great crisis. “Jack Bauer saved Los Angeles. … He saved hundreds of thousands of lives,” Judge Scalia said. Then, recalling Season 2, where the agent’s rough interrogation tactics saved California from a terrorist nuke, the Supreme Court judge etched a line in the sand.
“Are you going to convict Jack Bauer?” Judge Scalia challenged his fellow judges. “Say that criminal law is against him? ‘You have the right to a jury trial?’ Is any jury going to convict Jack Bauer? I don’t think so.
“So the question is really whether we believe in these absolutes. And ought we believe in these absolutes.”
Steve Benen picks apart Scalia’s comments.
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“So the question is really whether we believe in these absolutes. And ought we believe in these absolutes.â€
-Antonin Scalia
Doesn't really sound much like a "strict constructionist" to me... sounds more like a "moral relativist" kind of Justice.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pmWow. Scalia is basing his legal opinions on a fantasy TV show?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmOur republic is dead.
SCOTUS channeling fictional TV. Thanks for my daily dose of going to hell in a hand basket.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmI, for one, am not going to convict Jack Bauer, but only because he doesn't actually exist.
What is it with Republicans and fictional characters? They sure do get tripped up in them a lot.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:03 pmAppointed. Will serve for the rest of his life.
Ironically, Bauer wouldn't hesitate for a second to torture Scalia if he thought the justice had useful knowlege. Show insiders, please forward this to the head writers for next season.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pmIf Scalia holds opinions inimical to the Constitution, shouldn't he take a job somewhere other than the Supreme Court?
Impeach him.
Find somebody who takes the job seriously.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:04 pmIronically Bauer wouldn't hesitate to torture the justice if he thought there was information to be gained. Insiders, forward this to the head writers for next season.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pmDo any of these prominent repugs live in the real world, or are they all unable to distinguish fact from fiction?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pmWhat is it with Republicans and fictional characters? They sure do get tripped up in them a lot.
Comment by Princess Sparkle Pony — June 19, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
I know. Just imagine how formidible they would be if they were actually creative. Thank god they have to depend on librul Hollywood to actually come up with characters for them to appropriate.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmDoes anyone remember a guest that Jon Stewart had that said that Scalia always refers to himself as "Scalia" when talking about himself in the first person? The guy is certifiable. Is there an impeachment process for Supreme Court Justices?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pm“Jack Bauer saved Los Angeles. … He saved hundreds of thousands of lives,â€
Someone inform him that that was a TV show scene.
What? He knows? Good luck to US citizens.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmHOLY SH*T!!!
What on earth is he talking about. He's getting his legal reasoning from a bad television drama? Really?
Nice going conservatives. This is your finest hour.
Where in the Consitution does it say one ought to look to pop culture for guidance in determining the law?
Insane!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmBauer gets information from these people because the writers write that they give in!
Torture does not work.
Scalia is an idiot.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmNOT torturing someone holding the secret to a terrorist strike should be treason.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:08 pmMAF54,
DUMB!!!
As was said in the quoted article above
"Bauer-like scenarios don’t happen.
The problem with this scenario (as many others have pointed out) is that it makes a number of assumptions that are empirically dubious. First, the ticking-bomb scenario assumes not only that we have knowledge of an imminent attack, but also that we have the right guy in custody, i.e., a person with information that can prevent that attack from happening. In real life, our intelligence is never even close to that good. Intelligence, as the WMD fiasco makes clear, is far from an exact science. A significant percentage of the people we’ve detained as suspected terrorists have turned out to be people who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Should someone who may or may not be a terrorist and may or may not know anything useful be tortured based solely on intelligence “chatter†about an upcoming attack? This is much closer to the type of situations that atually present themselves in real life."
June 19th, 2007 at 4:10 pmNOT torturing someone holding the secret to a terrorist strike should be treason.
Comment by MAF54
Hahaha. Good comedy.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pmOk. And just how do you or the people who wrote the article know that no such situations happen. They would be classified, you know.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:12 pmMAF54 - Starting toreally enjoy your comments. They are a pretty hilarious parody of something a conservative would say. You really hit the nail on the head with this one. You got the ignorance, the chest thumpin' stupidity, and batshit craziness down. Keep up the good work buddy!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThis WHACKJOB is Supreme Court Justice???
June 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmMFA,
I thought you would have been rounded up in that big Pedophile sting.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:13 pmGod that's rich! You have to stop. It's too funny. Playing like you don't understand it's a Tee-Vee show. Thanks for brightening up this drab afternoon.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:15 pmThey would be classified, you know.
Comment by MAF54
You are getting closer, Agent Mulder.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:15 pm#15 Crump's Brother:
I admire your effort, but Ex-Congressman Foley (MAF54) isn't interested in anything we have to say unless we're rising to his bait.
Reasoned response? Not interested.
Fact-based argument? Not interested.
Name-calling and juvenile insults? Very interested.
It's his game. It's what he's comfortable with. I guess that's why he's got such a fixation on young boys.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:15 pmJust when you think this criminal junta that has hijacked our country can't divorce themselves any further from reality, you get this. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, the second most senior Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, is deriving his legal opinions from a fictional television show.
I guess we should all be counting our blessings that he didn't watch Flash Gordon that day...else, we might all have to face the bore worms.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pmMAF54,
"Ok. And just how do you or the people who wrote the article know that no such situations happen. They would be classified, you know."
Well we could debate from the what if position if you want, but it doesn't help us out now does it?
If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?
Kind of a dumb argument. The bigger point is, torture puts our country in a bad situation. It makes enemies less likely to surrender and offer good information. The best way to get information out of people is to do what you can to induce Stockholm Syndrome.
If people know that they will be treated humanely, they are much more likely to give you the info you. IF they have it.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pmWow...some one should pull on the guy's robe and tell him its ONLY A TV SHOW!
http://www.theweeklydonut.org/index.php/category/jack-bauer/
June 19th, 2007 at 4:16 pmWow.
Personally, I would torture Jack Bauer. Just because I'm a sadistic bastard. And because I love my country. That's enought these days isn't it?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:17 pmI'm going to start a pro-Jack Bauer torture campaign. On HIM!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:18 pmI say we drop an anvil on Jack Bauer. It's fitting punishment, and as proven in the landmark ruling ACME vs. Wile E. Coyote, more of a deterrent than a harmful act.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:18 pmMAF54, I have just informed the department of homeland security that you may be a potential terrorist based on all of your unamerican postings on this website.
I hope the give you the same treatment you are advocating for other potential terrorist. Who needs due processes. Let's see what you "admit" to after getting the treatment.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pmTORTURE!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pmTORTURE!
TORTURE!
TORTURE!
This, my fellow Americans, is what our SCOTUS has become.
Using a fake TV show, whose producers & the Army have both warned is sending the wrong message about torture, to project a wrong & dangerous lesson is what Scalia has gone on record with.
Scalia, watch 'Lost Boys' sometime and you'll see the real Jack Bauer!
With Judges like him, who needs enemas?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:20 pmShort version of Scalia's argument: "Jack Bauer did it, so it's okay for Bush to do it."
June 19th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI'd convict Jack Bauer....if he wasn't a figment of some hollywood screenwriter's imagination.
Justice Scalia bases his opinion on a tv show, I think he should be convicted too, for stupidity.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:21 pmJack Bauer is a real person, silly. I say we torture him so he tells us where the terrorists are. The guy sure does seem to know better than the people we have.
Yay torture!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI say we drop an anvil on Jack Bauer. It’s fitting punishment, and as proven in the landmark ruling ACME vs. Wile E. Coyote, more of a deterrent than a harmful act.
Comment by DM — June 19, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
I can say from experience that such a measure will act not as a deterrent, but instead as an incentive to more and greater violence. True, that violence would be directed primarily at roadrunners, but how many innocent motorists or mural painters might get caught up in the crossfire, innocent victims of a policy they did not condone?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pm“Are you going to convict Jack Bauer?†Judge Scalia challenged his fellow judges.
that were looking at him with very open eyes.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmAntonine "Tomás de Torquemada" Scalia.
Cheney always shoots the wrong guy in the face.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:22 pmInsert "post".
June 19th, 2007 at 4:23 pmScalia followed his late remarks with:
June 19th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Outing a covert CIA operative is treason. Apparently, treason isn't much of a crime nowadays.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pmI'd love to see video of the fellow judges as Scalia expressed his opinion. They probably all look gobsmacked. (except for that tool C. Thomas, he probably has a big shite-eating grin on his face.)
June 19th, 2007 at 4:26 pmI use to watch NYPD Blue and the good cop/bad cop interrogation routine seemed to work very well. The bad guys fell for it all the time.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:30 pmEverything's classified in the BA, except for the names of our spies. This is a secret government - didn't you get the email? It went out on the RNC account.
oh...
Never mind,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:30 pmOnce again Republican Neocons align themselves with violence...hate & fear. War, murder and torture are their modus operandi...maybe because it brings in some big bucks? Or they all had warped childhoods?
To base judgement on a work a fiction is truly scarey given he is supposed to have a mind.
America...by and for the Corporations. We don't got no stinken people!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:33 pmOnce again Republican Neocons align themselves with violence…hate & fear
Maybe if we offered Obama milk and cookies , love and understanding , we never would have been attack on 9-11.
Maybe if we all hold hands and sang we are the world there would be no terrorists.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:36 pmFunny to see Scalia try to justify the administration's torture of humans and the only thing he can hang is argument on is a fictional story.
Apparently, Scalia forgot to cite another precedent that supports a milder form of coercion, that of the equally fictional Scooby Doo, who could be persuaded to perform any task by merely providing him with a Scooby Snack.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:37 pmScalia also said that he supports all of President Palmer's policies.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:39 pmNOT torturing someone holding the secret to a terrorist strike should be treason. -- Comment by MAF54
What about someone who is TOLD of an imminent terrorist attack inside the United States and takes no action? And if that someone is the Commander in Chief? Sounds like TREASON too.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:40 pmMaybe if we offered Obama milk and cookies , love and understanding , we never would have been attack on 9-11.
Maybe if we all hold hands and sang we are the world there would be no terrorists.
Comment by Chris — June 19, 2007 @ 4:36 pm
Really? Is that the best argument you could make?
Look, we've really got a full roster of trolls here today, and you look like you could use some more practice. Why don't you go work out on one of the smaller blogs for a few months, then come back, mmkay?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:40 pmWasn't Scalia called a brilliant legal mind when nominated for the Supreme Court?
This is the best we got?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:40 pmNOT torturing someone holding the secret to a terrorist strike should be treason.
Comment by MAF54
EXACTLY! This is why we need to torture Jack Bauer as soon as he knows where the terrorist strike is going to be! PLUS... torture is FUN!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:40 pm#49: Pfft. Yet another 9/11 tin-foil hatter.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:40 pm#53. Pfft. It's YOUR BOY BUSH who failed to stop the 9/11 terrorists. Pathetic excuse for leadership.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:42 pmUh, Yer Honor...that was a television show, a dramatization if you will...where screenwriters determined the outcome to suit a preconceived notion of what both the Jack Bauer CHARACTER and Fox actually stand for and represent.
In the REAL WORLD, actions have consequences..often UNINTENDED.
What are you going to do when our own troops are captured on the battlefield and tortured?
Thanks to pigs like you, our "moral authority" is a footnote in history books.
You don't defeat terrorism by becoming terrorists. You simply increase the total number of terrorists, only now most are funded by US tax dollars.
Terrorism is a TACTIC. It is ALWAYS used for POLITICAL PURPOSES.
Rove in the White House POLITICAL STRATEGIST - working INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE - plotting both real and fictional terror threats to manipulate public opinion.
By definition, Rove is a TERRORIST
You want to see him tortured?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pmApparently, Scalia forgot to cite another precedent that supports a milder form of coercion, that of the equally fictional Scooby Doo, who could be persuaded to perform any task by merely providing him with a Scooby Snack.
Comment by No Pardon for Treason. — June 19, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
You overlook one flaw of the "Scooby Doo Model", NPFT -- Scooby and the gang would inevitably unmmask the old white man who was behind the whole "scare everybody" scheme.
BushCo definitely doesn't want someone like that nosing around. They need us to believe that the old sawmill is really haunted.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:43 pmOf course, this Administration has already knowingly committed treason. Scooter Libby is going to the Big House for it. Hahaha.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:44 pmJack Bauer is a fictional character played by a Canadian actor. The plots are scripted. Sure, one could make any heinous crime look good by showing that thousand or millions of lives were saved, but that can't happen in real life.
Jack Bauer operates on the Presumption of Guilt. Is that what Scalia wants to endorse? Jack Bauer operates on the premise that torture is effective. But history shows that victims of torture can mislead, lie to, or humor their torturers. Is that the kind of suspect testimony Scalia wants to endorse?
A fictional character is a tool of propaganda. Does Scalia think Leni Reifenstahl proved Hitler's argument that the Aryans were the Master Race? Perhaps the good Catholic Scalia should reread the trial record of Joan of Arc. She was tortured, she confessed to whatever her inquisitors wanted, but she later recanted and was burned. Neither the Church or the State wanted anything to do with her for nearly 500 years when they made her a Saint. Does Scalia think Jack Bauer should have been given the latitude to torture Saint Joan in a time of crisis? Well, does he? Perhaps he keeps a picutre of Pontius Pilate on his desk next to that of Jack's.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pm56. Good point. We all know the swamp monster is Cheney wearing a rubber mask!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pmI suppose the question is "Would you serve the rest of your life in prison, for doing something that saved millions"?
If doing something illegal saves lives, then possibly the person doing it would accept the punishment.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pmAssuming that these scenerios were real, it isn't up to the judge to decide what a jury would or wouldn't do. If it is against the law, he should be prosecuted. If the jury finds him not guilty, then so be it. He apparently does not understand the part of the justice system he is an integral part of.
We should not make policy and law decisions based on fictional characters. We should be making it on what is right. Torture is WRONG and IS ILLEGAL INTERNATIONALLY. Jack Bauer would and should be prosecuted if he were real, and as such, he should get a fair trial - as every indicted criminal gets.
Since we are assuming fictional cases, what if he tortured an innocent person - should he get a free pass if he previously saved tons of people? How many people do I have to save to be "allowed" to torture an innocent person?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:46 pmWhen SCOTUS justices start citing Hollywood, you know this nation has gone down the tubes....
FWIW, my reply to the "Jack Bauer" argument is here.
Cheers,
June 19th, 2007 at 4:46 pmAnd you're talking tin-foil hats?
If you're going to misrepresent, it's best to adopt positions that aren't easily compared to known facts. You know - like what the temperature will be at noon in NY city, three days from now. Not so good otherwise- like what the temperature was in NY city yesterday at noon.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:48 pmHere's a question for the trolls...
If, say, we have a rightwing militia-type terrorist like Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols who is going to blow up, say, a government building, could we torture that guy too? Or is it just brown terrorists?
I REALLY want to torture people here you see and I don't think it's fair of you to limit me just to brown people.
TORTURE IS FUN. And it's the right thing to do.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:48 pmTorture is WRONG and IS ILLEGAL INTERNATIONALLY
Why does 99.9% of all countries use it?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:49 pmOk, I just rewrote "24" so that Bauer doesn't save L.A. from a nuke, instead his tactics cause it to be nuked. Because, see, it's a fictional plot- I can have Jack Bauer leap tall buildings in a single bound if I want to, or have Jack Bauer make Bin Laden vanish in a puff of smoke.
BECAUSE IT'S A FICTIONAL PLOT SOME SCRIPT WRITERS SAT DOWN & THOUGHT UP.
Now what, Scalia??
June 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pm#46 Chris,
Maybe if you weren't such a chickensh*t you wouldn't be so afraid of low tech terrorist who have no real power over us. Changing our way of life because idiots like you are afraid is the only real power the terrorist have over us.
The terrorist are using the same tactic Reagan is credited with using against the USSR (Getting them to blow their capital because of their fear of our fictious Star Wars system). Osama must laugh his butt off everytime he hears about how we are spending billions to attempt to stop him and his militia of box cutters.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pmAccording to the US State Department, the definition of TERRORISM is not confined to the physical act of killing.
Terrorism occurs when a state utilizes fear tactics against its own people to accomplish political objectives.
The mere act or announcing a falsely construed terror alert - or overplaying the significance of a plot known not to be viable - is itself terrorism.
Tom Ridge admitted that many of the Terror Alerts announced under his command were in fact phony.
Remember the run on duct tape?
That was a clear case of state sponsored terrorism by the Government of the United States under the direction of Karl Rove against the people of the United States to achieve a political objective.
Karl Rove is a Terrorist under the definition ascribed by the US State Department.
Remember the ANTHRAX ATTACKS? Gone from the radar once traced to a DOD Fort Detrich Lab and Dr. Zack (a former Rumsfeld employee).
The media is complicit in the coverup - and is therefore an accessory to terrorism - which is the act of generating fear for political gain in order to control the broader population.
GOT TREASON?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pm#65: It gives results?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pmI REALLY want to torture people here you see and I don’t think it’s fair of you to limit me just to brown people.
TORTURE IS FUN. And it’s the right thing to do
Yes torture is racist cause its only used on brown people.Thats a good liberal.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:50 pmLike Rosie and Keith said- we shouldn't fear terrorist, their
June 19th, 2007 at 4:52 pmpeople too.
#65. Way to pull a number out of your butt. Typical Republican argument: based on invented "facts."
June 19th, 2007 at 4:53 pmOsama must laugh his butt off everytime he hears about how we are spending billions to attempt to stop him and his militia of box cutters.
Comment by M3vega — June 19, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Actually, its those who perpetuate the OSAMA MYTH (our government operatives) who laugh their butts off when people like you continue to exist, despite any actual proof of said claim.
Stop perpetuating the government's lies.
Osama does not exist - and you can't prove he does.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmHoly f*ck. That's all I've got left...
June 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmYou suppose wrong.
If doing something illegal doesn't save lives, even though you insist it does, does that give you the right to do it?
No.
By your logic, all of the torturing patriots who have stepped this country into the great moral morass of torture should be lining up for their punishment. To Gitmo for the lot of you.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmFor anyone who is interested, the administration authorized that exact situation with kahlid Sheik Mohammed. During his interogation he was told they were going to kill his wife and kids and he told them it wasn't a problem because where they would be going after was a better place. So much for real life TV scenarios huh?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pmThe problem, Tundra, is that the Jack Bauers of this world, who arbitrarily arrest, detain, torture, and murder, do so in secret because most of the time the cruel & unusual punishments they inflict serve no purpose and save no lives. If they did, why are the prisons top secret and the inmates ghosts without identities?
Please reread the Declaration of Independence. If this is what you believe, the whole American Experiment has been a waste. It's been a failure. Presumption of Guilt? Forced confessions? Arbitrary arrest & imprisonment? Cruel & unusual punisment? and the suspension of the inalienable rights of Life & Liberty?
We know who the new Nazis are and they're wrapping themselves in the Stars & Stripes.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:55 pmYou'd at least hope the Supreme Court Justice would choose to go with Superman over Jack Bauer if we're going to base US jurisprudence on imaginary people. Aim a little higher,Your Honor. And maybe (to paraphrase a comedian whose name I can't recall) someone should grab the judge's remote control and adjust the "brightness".
Yikes!
June 19th, 2007 at 4:56 pmNoooo, Chris you totally misunderstood me.
You see I don't want to limit the torture just to brown people. And I wasn't saying it's racist. I just want equal rights for white people too! I mean we're just not torturing enough in general. I have an insatiable thirst for making people scream. I mean there really at this rate I'll be 80 years old before I finish my ripped fingernail collection and so I was thinking... since there have been some white American terrorists, maybe I could start torturing them too?
PLEASE???
June 19th, 2007 at 4:56 pmWhy does you ask?
June 19th, 2007 at 4:56 pm#1
Scalia doesn't refer to himself as a "strict" constructionist.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:58 pmWhy was torture illegal in the first place is my question to the trolls.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:58 pm82.
Ever heard of the "Geneva Conventions?"
June 19th, 2007 at 4:59 pmScalia has also suggested the use of the Vulcan mind meld to question prisoners.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:00 pmThat's a pretty incomplete answer. Are you a troll? I was asking the trolls.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:02 pm#73 Ace,
Whether its Osama or your momma, it doesn't matter. The point is that terrrorist have no power except how we react to their attempts to scare us.
The really scary thing is that well over 1/2 of this country is willing to give up our way of life because they are afraid.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:03 pm72# name one country you can prove beyond all doubt
June 19th, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe army asked the producers to tone down the torture, because it is seen overseas, and apparently people other than Scalia think it's real.
That said, it is incredibly scary that some one with the power to interpret the constitution would say these things. But then, Republicans have always had trouble distinguishing fact from fiction - witness their undying love for the 3rd rate actor the money boys hired to be the president.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pmSpeaking of Osama, why don't we torture him? It would seem like if anybody would know about the next terrorist attack, it would be him, no?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:06 pmM3Vega:
It does matter when you imply that Bin Laden is alive. You have to stop, as does everyone else who can no sooner prove that than the tooth fairy's existence.
It matters TREMENDOUSLY that every single American accept the fact that the biggest lie ever told was told to them on 9/11.
Stop doing the government's bidding. Stop accepting the media's implied truth that a person named Osama is actually alive on the green side of the grass.
There is literally zero proof to support it.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pmScalia is really just after Bauer's daughter Kim, the dirty old man...
June 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pm#89: I don't think the secret service would like that. They're protecting him now, you know?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:07 pm2# name one country you can prove beyond all doubt
Comment by Chris — June 19, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
You're the one who made the initial claim: Why does 99.9% of all countries use it?
You prove it. That's the way it works.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:08 pmHave you actually LOOKED at the person in the fake Bin Laden video?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
The FBI declines to confirm its authenticity.
http://www.physics911.net/kevinbarrett.htm
Top Bin Laden Expert: The Tapes are Fakes
Kevin Barrett
As a PhD in Islamic and Arabic Studies, I hate to say this, but I’ll say it anyway. The events of 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam. The war on terror itself is as phony as the latest “Bin Laden tape.â€
Compare the nose of the actor in the video tape with that of Bin Laden:
http://www.911blimp.net/vid_fakeOsamaVideo.shtml
This is NOT BIN LADEN.
Repeat this information often.
LOOK AT THE VIDEO - IT'S FAKE.
Bin Laden is NOT WANTED BY THE FBI in connection with 9/11.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:09 pm#92. Well that would mean that the secret service would be traitors, right? And has been established by the good'ol Amerucin masochists on this page, we should be torturing them because they're protecting them.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:10 pmAre YOU accusing the secret service of working with the enemy?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:11 pmJust like all liberals think Amercia is always the bad guy that does bad stuff.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:11 pmNo other country does what America does.
#65: It gives results?
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Your sources please or did you torture them into saying it works?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:11 pmWhat if Jack Bauer came out of the closet and declared that he is now gay? What would Scalia say then?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:11 pmJeezus, I can't believe a Supreme Court justice is spewing stuff like this! Our country is so screwed....
Oh I think other country have delusional leaders who use fictional characters as examples for real arguments. LOL.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:12 pm94# i was waiting for that.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:12 pmYour sources please or did you torture them into saying it works?
Comment by dbadass
Hahaha!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pmScalia's comments demonstrate that Fox is using 24 as a neocon tool to condition the masses to a future that includes nuclear threats to the Fatherland. Advertiser supported PROPAGANDA:
““Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
Michael Rivera
June 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pmThat's an oversimplification. they're not afraid - they hate America. For whatever reason, the fruits of our Constitutional Republic aren't good enough for them, and they want it destroyed. Terrorism is one of several straw men they use to justify their actions.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pm101. You got him good. You're smart. S-M-R-T
June 19th, 2007 at 5:15 pmMilitary's Information War Is Vast and Often Secretive
By JEFF GERTH
"The media center in Fayetteville, N.C., would be the envy of any global communications company ...
"The center is not part of a news organization, but a military operation, and those writers and producers are soldiers. The 1,200-strong psychological operations unit based at Fort Bragg turns out what its officers call "truthful messages" to support the United States government's objectives, though its commander acknowledges that those stories are one-sided and their American sponsorship is hidden.
"We call our stuff information and the enemy's propaganda," said Col. Jack N. Summe, then the commander of the Fourth Psychological Operations Group, during a tour in June. Even in the Pentagon, "some public affairs professionals see us unfavorably," and inaccurately, he said, as "lying, dirty tricksters."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/politics/11propaganda.html?pagewa
June 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmScalia doesn’t refer to himself as a “strict†constructionist.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Pathetic little straw man, You're12. I never said Scalia referred to himself as a "strict constructionist". He is well-known as one of that judicial philosophy, however. Others have called him such, including this article available at Free Republic:
"Scalia, 67, a conservative justice known for legal decisions based on strict interpretations of the U.S. Constitution.."
the point you did not dispute was that his setniments as expressed at the top of this thread sound an awful lot like moral relativism -- "It's okay as long as it's for a good cause..."
Kind of the opposite of "strict constructionism".
June 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmIf you give up your rights because Bush says there's some scary terrorist waiting to kill you, you're a pussy.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pmRove has studied Goebbels and the nephew of Frued, Bernays, and come up with a way to sell fascism to unwitting US citizens. Please learn and protect yourself and your family and friends from Fascism.
Please see this quick video about HOW TO BRAINWASH A NATION.
In this seven-minute excerpt from "The Century of the Self" a four hour film series by Adam Curtis, you'll get a quick lesson about how sophisticated the mass brainwashing of the American people has been and how long it's been going on.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-to-brainwash-...
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http://www.swans.com/library/art7/ga120.html
Propaganda NOW AND THEN by Gilles D'Amrey
Look to his article.
BushCo. and Rove INNOCULATES the United States citizens against the words that describe them, rendering our language MEANINGLESS. 1984, Orwell.
http://www.swans.com/library/art7/ga120.html
June 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pmNow when the rest of the world takes up the US torture policy I'm sure Americans will understand why our troops are getting just what the Bush Policy called for. It's so easy to torture others but wait until it's done of American Soldiers. This policy shows how sick the US has become, we once stood for honor until the election for President was stolen. The GOP used God's name to get Americans to follow them just as was done with Jesus. We will see how our troops are tortured and killed just as we have done to others. We have become worse then those we call enemy.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:19 pmWhat if you then told Scalia that, at Clarence Thomas' direction, gay Jack Bauer had left a pubic hair on his Coke can? Would Antonio keep letting Thomas vote with him?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:20 pm94# 104# Good Liberal.You just prove that liberals think Bush and Co are the real bad guys and terrorist are good people.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:20 pmComment by smafdy — June 19, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
First off I'm not advocating torture. I'm saying that breaking the law and accepting the punishment for principal and the well being of others may be worth it.
Since this whole thread is hypothetical, we have the ability to play out extreme circumstances here.
Suppose you knew that a bomb was placed in a school and you knew who did it. It's one school in a 50 mile radius, you don't know which one. You have the person in custody. What means do you get that information? Really that is all Scalia said in the article. Absolutes are wrong.
Personally I would use any means necessary to gather the information and then accept the consequences of those actions.
The argument about it being illegal is irrelevant (If you are willing to pay the cost for doing that illegal action). It was illegal for Rosa Parks to sit down on that bus, did her actions make a difference and contribute to the overall good? I would say so. Did she accept her punishments, yes and by those actions made the world a better place.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pmI'm checking the Constitution...hmmmm....no.....no....Nope, no Jack Bauer here.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:21 pm112. No, actually we don't like any of them. But you can't accept that so we have to love the terrorists in your eyes.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:22 pmI think they are one and the same. I also think that you aren't smart enough to post here - even for a troll.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:24 pmYeah seriously Chris really doesn't bring any game at all
June 19th, 2007 at 5:25 pm"You can't tell any more the difference between what's propaganda and what's news."
FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein 15 August, 2006
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/16/national/main1900602.shtm
Karl Rove INVENTED the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) for one purpose. TOTAL MESSAGE CONTROL.
Rove is a genius...an evil genius.
He can only be effective when he knows literally everything. He is the REALITY CREATION ARCHITECT.
At any given time he can take a set of actual facts and use each of them to stitch together a totally false reality.
Rove knew that the truth was the enemy of their conspiracy to conquer the Middle East (the PNAC plan). His job, every single day, is to convince you, me and the rest of the world that you didn't just see and hear what you just saw and heard...or if you did, it doesn't mean what your logical mind is attempting to tell you - because "we're in a post-9/11 world now" and black is white.
Karl Rove is the single most destructive force in the US Government...the enabler of the entire evil scheme...THE ARCHITECT.
The scheme includes 9/11 as the essential pretext. "9/11" ... how clever, Karl! Only someone with American sensibilities would select the number we have all memorized to call in the event of life threatening emergency as the date for this evil....
KARL ROVE.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:27 pmIt's obvious that Scalia debated this issue with Marvin Martian after his many tortured attemps at destroying Bugs Bunny while trying to Blow up the Earth with his P-38 Space modulator.
Unf*cking believable a supreme court justice... I hope he hasn't seen "Aliens" yet...
June 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pmThe war plan to invade Iraq was written BEFORE 9/11. The Secret Energy Task Force meetings that Cheney had with Ken Lay and the other OIL HOGS during which they all decided how to divide up the oil fields of the Middle East...all of that was BEFORE 9/11.
Now you see why Cheney insisted the substance of those talks remain SECRET.
All of their schemes and conspiracies REQUIRED 9/11 as the essential trigger.
Cheney outsourced the implementation of the FALSE FLAG OPERATION to Mossad...the FALSE FLAG experts. This explains why over 200 Mossad agents were operating in the United States prior to 9/11. This explains why five of them were arrested, having been observed filming the planes hitting the towers and their subsequent collapse - celebrating our worst nightmare.
9/11 was not a bad day for those involved in the Conspiracy. It was their shining moment...their PRETEXT.
One of them washed out...couldn't cope with the guilt. Ari Fleisher had to be replaced, and disappeared. Not dead, but out of sight.
The outing of Plame was designed to destroy the best WMD intelligence the US had at its disposal regarding Iraq. Plame knew for a FACT that Iraq had no WMD. It was HER JOB to know. Therefore Rove perceived Plame (the truth) as his WORST ENEMY, and conceived of a plan to silence her. Rove is the individual who insisted that Wilson be sent to Niger.
GUARANTEED.
This was the only way to launch a smear program which appeared to be aimed at Wilson, but was intended solely to shut down the entire Brewster Jennings operation and bury their WMD evidence.
THAT IS ALL ROVE.
He invented WHIG:
The group's members included Rove, Bush advisor Karen Hughes, Senior Advisor to the Vice President Mary Matalin, Deputy Director of Communications James Wilkinson, Assistant to the President and Legislative Liaison Nicholas Calio, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.
Every single one of these individuals is a co-conspirator in a concerted effort to defraud America into committing its troops and its treasure to invade a foreign country to the sole benefit of BIG OIL AND ISRAEL.
The pending invasion of Iran is the next phase of the very same conspiracy. Karen Kwiatkowski let us know that Larry Franklin had set up an IRAN desk in the midst of the Pentagon's IRAQ planners. Larry Franklin has pled guilty for passing Top Secret Iranian Intelligence to AIPAC (Israel). Israeli Generals were free to come and go from the Cheney/Rumsfeld Office Of Middle East Invasion whenever they pleased, without need to sign the guest register.
IT'S ALL THE SAME CONSPIRACY.
9/11 - Afghanistan - Iraq - Iran - Syria.
READ THE PNAC.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pmAnd this is the clown that crowned Bush President by refusing to count the votes.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:29 pmComment by Tundra — June 19, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
I understand. But, it's still an exercise in hypotheticals. Bottom line is that what we've been doing isn't hypothetical - it's real and it's of highly dubious intelligence value as well as being illegal and immoral. Don't think that none of the tortured are innocent. The combination of the incompetence of the BA and the secrecy surrounding the tortured make that a very slim possibility.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:30 pmJesus was an unlawful insurgent. He confessed under tortured and was spirited away to a ghost prison.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:30 pmREAD THE PNAC.
A "New Pearl Harbor" was a REQUIREMENT for its implementation.
Rove is running the entire PsyOps Machine to enable it.
Hang them for TREASON.
http://dailydocket.blogspot.com/2006/01/propaganda.html...
But whereas Hitler was a true master of propaganda, and his minister a far less talented functionary, today the situation is reversed: our propaganda minister is the master, and our leader his functionary. Karl Rove is so confident of his strategy that he now announces it to the public! In January of this year,
Rove noted that we face "a ruthless enemy" and "need a commander in chief and a Congress who understand the nature of the threat and the gravity of the moment America finds itself in."
Here's more:
"[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
-- Karl Rove (oops!) Hermann Goering
Karl Rove had advance knowledge of EVERY TERROR ALERT since Bush took office in 2000.
Because he creates them.
"T H E
A R C H I T E C T"
O F
T E R R O R
I S
K A R L
R O V E
June 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmIf we are willing to give up our constitutional rights and freedoms in the face of a bunch of ragtag terrerists, then they've already one, so let's torture Scalia!
June 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmace
Is exactly right. Once you get people believing in something they no isn't true, you got'em by the BALLS.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:32 pmHow did won become one?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:33 pmComment by smafdy — June 19, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Oh I agree, I am not saying don't prosecute them, I am not saying write policy accepting it. Just that I could see why someone in an extreme circumstance may have to resort to it. I sure am not saying if they do (even if they save a million lives) that they shouldn't have consequences for those actions.
I couldn't live with myself in that situation if I didn't do something. If I spent the rest of eternity in hell for it (If you believe in such things) well, saving those lives would still have been worth it.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:34 pm#87. I don't have to prove anything. The 99% was YOUR ASSERTION. You prove it beyond a doubt.
June 19th, 2007 at 5:38 pmTorture... Terrorists... Be Afraid. BOOO!
But leave those borders wide open. They don't give a shit about us
June 19th, 2007 at 5:40 pmThey just want to keep us and so f*cking confused we'll just go to work and shut the F8ck up. While they rape our asses Rob our tax dollars and pretend to help those shit heads in the middle east.
"Suppose you knew that a bomb was placed in a school and you knew who did it. It’s one school in a 50 mile radius, you don’t know which one. You have the person in custody.
Comment by Tundra — June 19, 2007 @ 5:21 pm"
I have a problem with your hypothetical. How do we know the guy in custody is the one who planted the bomb? How do we know if a bomb is actually planted somewhere (since we have no idea where it is)?
June 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI think they are one and the same. I also think that you aren’t smart enough to post here - even for a troll.
Comment by smafdy
Even trolls don't care what you think .Be a good little liberal and run along.
94,109,118,120,124
Spreak da truth.Its time we expose Bush.Bush caused 9-11.
Bush doesn't care about black people!!!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pmBush is a danger to the free world!!!!
Before there was a CIA, there was the OSS (Office of Strategic Services)
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/oss/art03.htm
So, who is an OSS Man?
Osama bin Laden, A.K.A.
CIA Asset "Tim Osman"
Tim Osman (Ossman) has recently become better known as Osama Bin Ladin. "Tim Osman" was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments. [...] There is some evidence that Tim Osman ... visited the White House. There is certainty that Tim Osman toured some U.S. military bases, even receiving special demonstrations of the latest equipment.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/binladen_cia.html
The other man, dressed in Docker's clothing, was not a native Afghan any more than Olberg was. He was a 27-year-old Saudi. Tim Osman (Ossman) has recently become better known as Osama Bin Ladin. "Tim Osman" was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments.
Isn't it time to quit pretending Osama Bin Ladin came out of nowhere?
http://www.orlingrabbe.com/binladin_timosman.htm
June 19th, 2007 at 5:42 pmWhere was Justice Scalia when Evel Kanievel was on TV? Why didnt he watch? Could have saved me a lot of trouble.
Could have been a statistic before he was sadistic.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:05 pmumm, Judge Scalia? You do realize that Jack Bauer is a fictional charachter on a TV show, right?
This is scary--can he be removed?
June 19th, 2007 at 6:23 pmUh, Scalia, Scalito or whatever your nickname The Chimperor gave you is, you do know that this past season, Jack failed to save thousands in the Valencia part of L.A. from a nuke attack.
OH, and by the way, JACK BAUER IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER PLAYED BY AN ACTOR. Repeat after us, Jack Bauer, fake. Bill Moyers, Real. Jack Bauer, fake. Bill Moyers, real.
June 19th, 2007 at 6:34 pmOh man they blew up Valencia in "24"? I used to live there hated the place would love to see it go boom
June 19th, 2007 at 6:38 pmnot entirely -O/T. . .
BREAKING -- but expected. . .
THIS JUST IN!
June 19th, 2007 at 6:44 pmwell -- scooter's ace appellate
team just filed their notice of
appeal -- we learn only a few things
from it -- and i've enumerated them,
along with an image of the full-one
page-notice-filing. . .
Read everything here...scary true:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
June 19th, 2007 at 7:35 pmWhat I said in the other threads applies to this one too.
Hey Hey Ho Ho This Corrupt Government Has Got To Go
Hey Hey Ho Ho This Corrupt Government Has Got To Go
Hey Hey Ho Ho This Corrupt Government Has Got To Go
June 19th, 2007 at 7:35 pmWe can be proud, one of our great jurist, Slammin Scalia, uses a tv show to help him rationalize the legalization of torture. Yes, what an intellectual giant of our time and how proud it will be for our legal historians to recount his legacy.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:38 pmAnd this clown sits on the US Supreme Court?
And he's talking about Jack Bauer? And to defend torture?
Someone needs to get him out of those robes and into a straightjacket.
:|
Besides the girls from the DC Escort service.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:47 pmNOT torturing someone holding the secret to a terrorist strike should be treason.
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
In Nazi Germany perhaps, but not in the US of A.
Cowards need torture to "keep safe".
Which makes you a coward.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:49 pmMy father and his brothers fought against pigs like you in WW2 and won.
And we'll win too.
Because you're all cowards.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:50 pm#120
Did Clinton help write the war plan in 1998 when he claimed Iraq had WMDs?
June 19th, 2007 at 7:53 pmAnd you're so stupid you believe that information provided under torture is credible.
Which means you'll believe anything.
Which makes you stupid too.
June 19th, 2007 at 7:54 pm#114
Sounds like that hack Breyer citing foriegn laws in his opinions, nope, no mention in the Constitution there.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:00 pm#65: It gives results?
Comment by MAF54 — June 19, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Your sources please or did you torture them into saying it works?
Comment by dbadass — June 19, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Still waiting. Also wanna give us that moniker explaination so we can take you more seriously? These have been easy softballs I have thrown. Can you not bat?
June 19th, 2007 at 8:00 pm#146
Tell me, are you an interrogation expert for the CIA? Or just an internet keyboard leftie?
June 19th, 2007 at 8:01 pmHow many people do I have to save to be “allowed†to torture an innocent person?
2.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:02 pmJack Bauer is a former "Lost Boy"
June 19th, 2007 at 8:03 pmHow many people do I have to save to be “allowed†to torture an innocent person?
2.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
I assume those 2 are your mother and your child. Am I correct?
June 19th, 2007 at 8:06 pmI like how troll "You're12" thinks, after it gets smacked down once on teh thread, disappears and then thinks it's clever to show up after all the activity has died down and post several responses all at once.
It's a win-win: he gets paid for each post by his troll-masters, but doesn't have to endure any return fire.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:10 pmBut I tell you what.
Let's torture you.
We'll see if the information you provide us with is valuable, or we'll see if we can get you to say anything we want.
Then we can add the data to the statisics.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:16 pm#152
They could be Bill and Hillary Clinton for all I care.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:16 pmTorture is the tool of cowards.
Wicked, evil men, who if this were pre-war Germany would be donning Jackboots and kicking in the heads of Jews.
These are not Americans, don't let them kid you people. These are the dark ones. The evil we were warned would one day "infiltrate the flock".
Wolves in sheeps clothing, who speak of safety and peace, but bring only the sword and murder.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:19 pmFor their cowardice they would sell their humanity, for a few more years of their precious coward lives.
Just remember.
A coward dies a thousand deaths.
But a brave man dies just once.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:21 pm#154
I ask you again. Are you a CIA interrogation expert, or do you have some good reason for thinking you know their job better than they do??\
June 19th, 2007 at 8:21 pmThese pigs have died a thousand times now, and they'll die a thousand more, as they sell their souls to the devil for a few more moments of what they think constitutes "safety".
Funny.
Who ever told these knuckleheads that life was "safe"?
June 19th, 2007 at 8:23 pmI ask you again. Are you a CIA interrogation expert, or do you have some good reason for thinking you know their job better than they do??\
Comment by inbred12 — June 19, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Mom wasn't too good with the homeschooling thing?
Please go back and READ little man.
I already answered your question.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:25 pm#152
They could be Bill and Hillary Clinton for all I care.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Torture is the tool of cowards.
I asked of your mother and child not others for whom you already have blind hatred
June 19th, 2007 at 8:25 pmNow go polish your jackboots.
:|
I think I hear Himmler coming.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:27 pmBut I tell you what.
Let’s torture you.
Oh so someone agreeing with torture is a reason to allow it on them?
Under which circumstances do you allow it?
June 19th, 2007 at 8:43 pmTundra you're an idiot if you can't tell when someone is being sarcastic.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:46 pmIn fact, I think you''re just an idiot, period.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:47 pmPeople die every day. By the thousands.
In this country alone 40,000 die each year from alcohol related road deaths.
Another 30,000 die from handguns. Thousands more die in random accidents and occurances.
Life is dangerous. And living in a free and "decent" society takes risk, and courage.
Men like MA and M12 do not posses these traits. They are cowards. Which is why they support torture.
They talk about keeping the "rest of us" safe, but the truth is, the rest of us aren't as afraid as they are. We do not share their cowardice.
It takes courage to be an American, and sometimes that means dying, so that the country remains free. Guys like these cowards, will never understand that as long as they live.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:47 pmThey understand killing for freedom, but when it comes to dying for it, they're usually no where to be found.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:50 pmI will say this however. You guys have helped me.
When I was young, and studied the atrocities of the Holocaust, and the tyrants and sick, twisted madmen who committed the attrocities, as well as the "good citizens" who supported it or turned a blind eye, I could never understand how people could come to that point. It didn't make sense.
How can otherwise normal, decent people, turn into bloodthirsty murderers?
But now I see.
Thanks to you.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:53 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — June 19, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
Well I see that you follow the group on here with zero rational thought, so they throw around personal slams all the time.
You throw around silly points like Bravery as a defense.
Is it more or less Brave to throw your personal ideals aside and suffer consequences, in order to save/protect someone else? In some situations it's the coward who hides behind regulations because it's safer.
June 19th, 2007 at 8:58 pm#160
No, you resorted to off topic insults.
I bet you liberals think you could tell Michael Jordan how to play basketball!
June 19th, 2007 at 9:01 pmNow I see Hitlers methods in practice.
Like Bush, Hitler used a terrorist attack to launch bloody war and invasion of non involved countries, and to dismantle their legal rights and freedoms, and turn the country into a paranoid police state.
The similarities between our current move towards fundamental conservatism and police state and the rise of Nazi Germany are too many to count.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:02 pm#161
The question posed was how many people Jack Bauer needs to save. I answered 2; the Clintons are still Americans and both President Bush and our fine armed forces fight to defend them.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:02 pm#167
Yeah, the very conservative Republican military knows nothing about fighting and dying for the nation.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:04 pm#161
The question posed was how many people Jack Bauer needs to save. I answered 2; the Clintons are still Americans and both President Bush and our fine armed forces fight to defend them.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
I was right.
You are stupid.
You're so stupid, you don't even know what question you just asked me.
TWICE.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:06 pmHere idiot.
Here is the quesiton you asked me.
#146
Tell me, are you an interrogation expert for the CIA? Or just an internet keyboard leftie?
June 19th, 2007 at 9:06 pmComment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 8:01 pm
Then you asked the same question again, just moments later.
I ask you again. Are you a CIA interrogation expert, or do you have some good reason for thinking you know their job better than they do??\
June 19th, 2007 at 9:07 pmComment by a really stupid guy — June 19, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Yeah, the very conservative Republican military knows nothing about fighting and dying for the nation.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
First of all, the military is not republican dickhead.
Second, take a look at the role call of Congress.
Democrats served our country in the armed forces by a ratio of 3 to 1.
Like I said.
You're a worm.
You're a coward.
And you're 15 minutes are up Heinrich.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:09 pm#161
The question posed was how many people Jack Bauer needs to save. I answered 2; the Clintons are still Americans and both President Bush and our fine armed forces fight to defend them.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
Good point!. Why was you answer not one saved? New question: How many must Jack kill to make the States safe? In the interest of simplicity let's make them innocents. BTW: please never link our fine armed forces with W again even if unintentionally. Thanks
June 19th, 2007 at 9:09 pmAh yes, judicial opinions from the reality-challenged...
June 19th, 2007 at 9:10 pm#177
The military is very much Republican. Check any poll you want for the last several Presidential elections.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:13 pmBlah blah blah.
Blah blah.
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Comment by Tundra — June 19, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
June 19th, 2007 at 9:13 pm#174
I think you've gone off the deep end. Reading comprehension is your friend!
June 19th, 2007 at 9:14 pmThe military is very much Republican. Check any poll you want for the last several Presidential elections.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
I have.
And you're wrong.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:14 pmAnd by the way, being republican doesn't mean being a nazi pig, like you.
Just talk to the good republicans out there. There are still a few left.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:15 pmGood point!. Why was you answer not one saved? New question: How many must Jack kill to make the States safe? In the interest of simplicity let’s make them innocents. BTW: please never link our fine armed forces with W again even if unintentionally. Thanks
We killed 2.5 million Japanese to ensure the safety of the United States. Sounds like a reasonable ballpark.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:16 pmthink you’ve gone off the deep end. Reading comprehension is your friend!
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
Really?
I just post the actual question you posed to me. A question you just posed minutes ago, TWICE.
And you can't remember, then you see the quesiton, and now you're denying it? LoL.
You're as inbred stupid as they come boy.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:16 pmWe killed 2.5 million Japanese to ensure the safety of the United States. Sounds like a reasonable ballpark.
Comment by miss12— June 19, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
As long as you're included in the number, scumboy.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:17 pm#183
Then not only do you lack brains, you are in complete denial of simple facts. Good day to you.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:17 pmOh look.
I've hurt its feelings......
:|
what to do....?
June 19th, 2007 at 9:20 pmGood point!. Why was you answer not one saved? New question: How many must Jack kill to make the States safe? In the interest of simplicity let’s make them innocents. BTW: please never link our fine armed forces with W again even if unintentionally. Thanks
We killed 2.5 million Japanese to ensure the safety of the United States. Sounds like a reasonable ballpark.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Okay. Going from there and I assume we are still going under the premise of the lives of innocents. Is they any price in lives you would not pay for the security you seek? Also how will you know when this security has been reached? Hate to bring up Mom and the kiddo again but clould/should they be sacrificed in this venture? What if they are on a boat offshore with the freedom haters and their trigger for the death ray. You have the location, nuke em or what?
June 19th, 2007 at 9:21 pmBut in answer to your stupid Jack Bauer question, that you asked someone else, let me say, NONE.
There is no number of American lives that is worth our becoming a cowardly, corrupt nation of pigs.
It takes courage to be an American.
Maybe some day, you'll have some.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:24 pmIt is better to be wiped from the face of the planet, then to let wicked men and cowards turn us into that which we fight.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:26 pm#190
Any number of foreigners is acceptable if it ensures the victory and salvation of the American people.
If my family were in the hands of the Arabs, they are dead anyway, one way or another.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:30 pm192
June 19th, 2007 at 9:32 pmYour own quote? It pretty much brings this thread to an end I believe. Bless you!
Any number of foreigners is acceptable if it ensures the victory and salvation of the American people.
If my family were in the hands of the Arabs, they are dead anyway, one way or another.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Thats because you, and you're family, are cowards.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:32 pmScalia has NO MORALS anyway.
Just another ENABLER of TREASONOUS WAR CRIMINAL Bush
June 19th, 2007 at 9:33 pmthe silver-spoon AWOL COWARD COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR to the USA
Cowards like M12 and his family are all so ready to torture and kill for their country.
But they're none too keen on dying for it.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:36 pmWow. Scalia is basing his legal opinions on a fantasy TV show?
Our republic is dead.
Comment by Alejandro
Ya know, Alejandro, after your comment, anyone still arguing on this thread s/b committed... IT'S A F*#KING TELEVISION SHOW!!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 9:40 pmNot to him ROS.
The further these madmen slip into torture, murder and all manner of evil in a desperate and futile attempt to keep their precious hiney's safe, the further they slip into delusion and fantasy.
Reason has long since left men like Scalia, and this thing here calling itself MA12. They can't distinguish between fantasy, and reality, because if they did, they'd see that they themselves had become the "evildoers", and they just can't handle that right now.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:42 pmReason has long since left men like Scalia, and this thing here calling itself MA12. They can’t distinguish between fantasy, and reality, because if they did, they’d see that they themselves had become the “evildoersâ€, and they just can’t handle that right now.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
That really is the problem, isn't it - They can’t distinguish between fantasy, and reality - and it's scary as Hell. I'm astonished to hear those words actually come from a Supreme Court Justice.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:52 pmIt really is bizarre, isn't it.
How could this happen here?
June 19th, 2007 at 9:54 pmDo these people really think we're all as scared of dying as they are?
June 19th, 2007 at 9:58 pmThat really is the problem, isn’t it - They can’t distinguish between fantasy, and reality - and it’s scary as Hell. I’m astonished to hear those words actually come from a Supreme Court Justice.
Are you also astonished by Steven Breyer citing foreign law in his opinions?
June 19th, 2007 at 10:06 pmIt really is bizarre, isn’t it.
How could this happen here?
Comment by BARTLEBEE
I think it happens when you can't reconcile the conflicts w/in, Bartlebee, like freedom and slavery, democracy and genocide...
June 19th, 2007 at 10:09 pmYou're comparing a sitting judge comparing actual precedence from another countries justice system to a sitting judge comparing US legal precedence to a TV show?
wow.
You're sure you're not working for us to make the neocons look stupid?
June 19th, 2007 at 10:10 pmAre you also astonished by Steven Breyer citing foreign law in his opinions?
Comment by m12
Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. Scalia is talking about a FANTASY television show. So what if Breyer cites centuries of legal precedent from another country? Like the laws of this country aren't based in part by the English legal system?
June 19th, 2007 at 10:11 pmSeriously MA12, I've got to know.
Are you really this bonkers, or is TP putting you up to it?
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come on.... I won't tell.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:11 pmYou’re sure you’re not working for us to make the neocons look stupid?
Comment by BARTLEBEE
It works for me!!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 10:12 pmAre you really this bonkers, or is TP putting you up to it?
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come on…. I won’t tell.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Hey, why can't we have it both ways? You liberals, always seeing things in absolutes... it's either one of the other w/ you!
June 19th, 2007 at 10:13 pmWell, to be truthful, I guess the neocons don't really need our help to look stupid.
They seem to have that one pretty well covered.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:13 pmYou liberals, always seeing things in absolutes… it’s either one of the other w/ you!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 19, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
You mean like neocons are absolutely stupid?
Is that the type of absolutes you're talking about?
June 19th, 2007 at 10:15 pmAnd you're right about our legal system being based on English law. In fact, our Constitution directly references English law. We took from several countries, including France.
Of course, if the neocons have their way, the only law will be whatever the president (King) says.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:16 pmWe teach them to take their patriotism at second-hand;
To shout with the largest crowd without examining into the right or wrong of the matter;
Exactly as boys under monarchies are taught and have always been taught.
We teach them to regard as traitors, and hold in aversion and contempt, such as do not shout with the crowd, and so here in our democracy we are cheering a thing which of all things is most foreign to it and out of place;
The delivery of our political conscience into somebody else's keeping.
This is patriotism on the Russian plan.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:20 pmMark Twain
The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice, and always has been.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:22 pmMark Twain
And you’re right about our legal system being based on English law. In fact, our Constitution directly references English law. We took from several countries, including France.
Of course, if the neocons have their way, the only law will be whatever the president (King) says.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
I thought alot of it came from John Locke.
And Mark Twain is always welcome at the Republicâ„¢. Indeed, I would like to humbly think Mr. Twain would approve of us here at the Republicâ„¢!
"There are three kinds of lies... lies, damned lies, and statistics!"
"A cat, having sat on a hot stove once, will never sit on one again, nor a cold one for that matter."
June 19th, 2007 at 10:27 pmTwain was a great man, a great writer and apparently, as we are discovering today, a great visionary.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:29 pm"Man is the only Patriot.
He sets himself apart in his own country, under his own flag, and sneers at the other nations, and keeps multitudinous uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people's countries, and keep them from grabbing slices of his.
And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood of his hands and works for the universal brotherhood of man... with his mouth."
June 19th, 2007 at 10:36 pmMark Twain
The Lowest Animal
Twain was a great man, a great writer and apparently, as we are discovering today, a great visionary.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
And funny as hell. He was friends w/ Tesla, BTW. He wrote about a visit to Tesla's lab one time, wherein Nikolai amazed him and several others present w/ some astonishing feats of technology.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:40 pmAny number of foreigners is acceptable if it ensures the victory and salvation of the American people.
Does this include the ones you dislike, the soon to be naturalized and the alleged welfare babies? Jut wondering. How bout the gangbangers, crackwhores and all the other boogeymen of the wasps?
June 19th, 2007 at 10:43 pmSorry, but that makes no sense at all. Scalia is talking about a FANTASY television show. So what if Breyer cites centuries of legal precedent from another country? Like the laws of this country aren’t based in part by the English legal system?
The lefties say that our Constitution makes no reference to Jack Bauer. Does it make any reference to the laws of a bunch of European countries being superior to our own?
June 19th, 2007 at 10:46 pmDoes this include the ones you dislike, the soon to be naturalized and the alleged welfare babies? Jut wondering. How bout the gangbangers, crackwhores and all the other boogeymen of the wasps?
The greatest President of the previous century, Harry Truman, would not have been deterred by such trifles. Neither will George Walker Bush.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:49 pmThe lefties say that our Constitution makes no reference to Jack Bauer. Does it make any reference to the laws of a bunch of European countries being superior to our own?
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
lol.
Its a TV show.
A "TV show".
a TV show
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TV show.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:50 pmThe greatest President of the previous century, Harry Truman, would not have been deterred by such trifles. Neither will George Walker Bush.
Comment by mustbe12 — June 19, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
Agreed.
Its gonna take his upcoming grand jury indictment to get that train moving.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:51 pmScalia is obviously losing it and he is out of control. When a Supreme Court judge starts using a television show's main character to justify the use of torture, one has to wonder about the sanity of said judge.
It is high time that someone start documenting Scalia's departures from reason. The man belongs in an institution specializing in senile dementia, not on the Supreme Court.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:51 pmHere.
This ones for you maggot12.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Damn and I thought Ronnie was the greatest. Well not really. Anyway what would Harry do?
June 19th, 2007 at 10:56 pm#226
Ronald Reagan is a close second, due to his rescue of the economy after Carter tried to shatter it. But Reagan would not have been able to finish the Cold War and defeat the Communist Soviet Union if Truman had not started the fight.
The liberal media and the far left in this country tried to break Truman's Presidency. But he stood by his convictions, and did not cut and run from Korea. He never would have cut and run from Iraq!
June 19th, 2007 at 11:05 pmOh, an addendum:
Kennedy might have overtaken both of them if he had 8 years in office. But Lyndon Johnson ordered the hit on him.
"In short, it is a paradoxical truth that ... the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now. The experience of a number of European countries and Japan have borne this out. This country's own experience with tax reduction in 1954 has borne this out. And the reason is that only full employment can balance the budget, and tax reduction can pave the way to that employment. The purpose of cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus."
– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, news conference
"A bill will be presented to the Congress for action next year. It will include an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in both corporate and personal income taxes. It will include long-needed tax reform that logic and equity demand ... The billions of dollars this bill will place in the hands of the consumer and our businessmen will have both immediate and permanent benefits to our economy. Every dollar released from taxation that is spent or invested will help create a new job and a new salary. And these new jobs and new salaries can create other jobs and other salaries and more customers and more growth for an expanding American economy."
– John F. Kennedy, Aug. 13, 1962, radio and television report on the state of the national economy
"This administration pledged itself last summer to an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in personal and corporate income taxes ... Next year's tax bill should reduce personal as well as corporate income taxes, for those in the lower brackets, who are certain to spend their additional take-home pay, and for those in the middle and upper brackets, who can thereby be encouraged to undertake additional efforts and enabled to invest more capital ... I am confident that the enactment of the right bill next year will in due course increase our gross national product by several times the amount of taxes actually cut."
– John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, news conference
"The largest single barrier to full employment of our manpower and resources and to a higher rate of economic growth is the unrealistically heavy drag of federal income taxes on private purchasing power, initiative and incentive."
– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 24, 1963, special message to Congress on tax reduction and reform
Where are Democrats like this today?
June 19th, 2007 at 11:07 pm227
June 19th, 2007 at 11:09 pmI think you may be correct but I think Truman would have thought it out first and sought a more nuanced approach. No dis to the ronster but the former soviet system was collapsing under its own weight. Had a lib pres be there, would you have credited them?
The lefties say that our Constitution makes no reference to Jack Bauer. Does it make any reference to the laws of a bunch of European countries being superior to our own?
Comment by m12
I think you need to learn how to read, 'cause unless you're 100% Native American, you're from somewhere else, dum-dum. HUGE percentage of the country came from Europe. I'm about as WASPY as they get - WHITE-ANGLO-SAXON-PROTESTANT, you idiot. gee ,what would that mean? Oh, my ancestors are from EUROPE!
BTW, you F*#king insipid fool, who said European laws were better?
June 19th, 2007 at 11:09 pmAt any rate, they are the basis for so much of our common law in this country. You really, really need to get an EDUCATION.
The liberal media and the far left in this country tried to break Truman’s Presidency. But he stood by his convictions, and did not cut and run from Korea. He never would have cut and run from Iraq!
Comment by m12
Hey, wait a minute... Truman was... was... a Deomcrat!!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 11:10 pmHe never would have cut and run from Iraq!
Comment by 12monkeys — June 19, 2007 @ 11:05 pm
He never would have gotten into Iraq
He wasn't as stupid as Bush.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:12 pm#231
Of course he was. But this is not my fathers' or my grandfathers' Democratic Party.
Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy never would have sat silently in the party of Nancy Pelosi.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:13 pmBTW, you F*#king insipid fool, who said European laws were better?
At any rate, they are the basis for so much of our common law in this country. You really, really need to get an EDUCATION.
Kennedy, Ginsberg, Breyer, Stevens, and Souter did, when they gutted the under 18 death penalty statutes. In doing so, they referenced the laws of "decency" in a bunch of European Countries.
Obviously they felt the laws of France were more important than the laws of Missouri.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:17 pmRoosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy never would have sat silently in the party of Nancy Pelosi.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
Gee.
You sure like to talk about every President but your own.
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Wonder why that is?
June 19th, 2007 at 11:18 pmOf course he was. But this is not my fathers’ or my grandfathers’ Democratic Party.
Comment by m12
Right. Your fathers’ or my grandfathers’ Democratic Party had Robert Byrd, a proud member of the KKK, in it.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:18 pmKennedy, Ginsberg, Breyer, Stevens, and Souter did, when they gutted the under 18 death penalty statutes. In doing so, they referenced the laws of “decency†in a bunch of European Countries.
Comment by moron12 — June 19, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
Like I said.
Always ready to kill for the country.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:19 pmI think you may be correct but I think Truman would have thought it out first and sought a more nuanced approach. No dis to the ronster but the former soviet system was collapsing under its own weight. Had a lib pres be there, would you have credited them?
Carter had his shot for 4 years. He screwed it up.
Clinton, of course, slashed the military in every way he thought possible.
But yeah, I would have credited them if they succeeded.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:19 pmObviously they felt the laws of France were more important than the laws of Missouri.
Comment by moonbat12 — June 19, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
Do they even have laws in Missouri?
June 19th, 2007 at 11:20 pmObviously they felt the laws of France were more important than the laws of Missouri.
Comment by m12
WTF???? Is this deliberate parody??? Missouri? Are you serious? Have you EVER been to Missouri, where men are men, sheep are scared, and there's no such thing as virgin wool?
June 19th, 2007 at 11:22 pm#240
So you also believe the laws of France are more important than the laws of Missouri?
And no, I haven't been there.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:23 pmthink you may be correct but I think Truman would have thought it out first and sought a more nuanced approach. No dis to the ronster but the former soviet system was collapsing under its own weight. Had a lib pres be there, would you have credited them?
Carter had his shot for 4 years. He screwed it up.
Clinton, of course, slashed the military in every way he thought possible.
But yeah, I would have credited them if they succeeded.
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
It's an honorable answer. Consistency of thought is the indicator of honor.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:26 pmRight. Your fathers’ or my grandfathers’ Democratic Party had Robert Byrd, a proud member of the KKK, in it.
Newsflash: Your current Democratic Party still has him in it; and Harry Reid puts him a leadership spot.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:27 pmNewsflash: Your current Democratic Party still has him in it; and Harry Reid puts him a leadership spot.
Comment by m12
I've NEVER claimed this Democratic Party as my own.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:30 pmThe problem ROS, is matlock12 is incapable of recognizing America is a "young" country, and that we can learn from our elder siblings.
France for instance, is the reason we are here, next to mother England.
Countries that have survived and existed for centuries longer than us, have had more time to devleop, and grow as a culture, and a people. And while we "were" amazing, America has become something of a spoiled brat, who thinks because it has won a few wars, we can take everyone on and not lose.
Europe is a treasuretrove of knowledge and example. Public health care, borderless countries, prison for only the most harsh of offenders, a low homeless and indigent population and low crime rates.
But Hoot Gibsonds like Mrs12 don't want to see that stuff. It makes their heads hurt. They want to beleive that they are the best and the brightest, even though the intelligence of the average European jr High School student makes them look like a Chimpanzee in comparative skills. Most Europeans are multilingual.
Most of these good conservative Americans are lucky if they are mono-lingual.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:32 pmAnd no, I haven’t been there.
Comment by missouri12 — June 19, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Thats not what I heard.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:33 pmMost of these good conservative Americans are lucky if they are mono-lingual.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Whoa... "monolingual"??? PLEASE don't bring m12's sex life into the conversation. He didn't mean it, m12, really he didn't. We ALL know that's a sore spot for you...
June 19th, 2007 at 11:36 pmThats not what I heard.
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Right you are... all the sheep say, m12's a ba-a-a-d man...
June 19th, 2007 at 11:37 pmWhoa… “monolingual�?? PLEASE don’t bring m12’s sex life into the conversation.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 19, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
I didn't say cunnilingual, lol.
:P
June 19th, 2007 at 11:41 pmI didn’t say cunnilingual, lol.
:P
Comment by BARTLEBEE
Now THAT is definitely a place m12 has never been either.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:55 pmIs there an impeachment process for Supreme Court Justices?
Comment by DJShay — June 19, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
June 20th, 2007 at 12:52 am
“Are you going to convict Jack Bauer?†Judge Scalia challenged his fellow judges. “Say that criminal law is against him? ‘You have the right to a jury trial?’ Is any jury going to convict Jack Bauer? I don’t think so.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:56 am
Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
lol.
Its a TV show.
A “TV showâ€.
a TV show
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TV show.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 19, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
Here, let me help. M12, TV is short for TELEVISION. Hence TV show means television show.
June 20th, 2007 at 12:57 amObviously they felt the laws of France were more important than the laws of Missouri.
Comment by m12
WTF???? Is this deliberate parody??? Missouri? Are you serious? Have you EVER been to Missouri, where men are men, sheep are scared, and there’s no such thing as virgin wool?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 19, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
Heh, Missouri, the "Show Me" state. France vs. Missouri, Moron12 needs a nap.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:03 amI thought I'd jump in here and note how the SCOTUS is using fictionalized television programs to justify the Unconstitutional acts of the bush administration.
I see many of you have already jumped in there with the same point.
Good work gang! Perhaps there is some hope left remaining at the bottom of Pandora's Box.
June 20th, 2007 at 1:31 amRightwingers are unreflective fruitcakes. They just love simplistic thinking and direct action. Scalia has something in common with cult leader Andrew Cohen who also love’s Jack. Here’s a quote from Cohen’s blog:
“Jack Bauer has slowly become one of my heroes… It’s because of his absolute commitment to his mission, his unfailing loyalty to his friends and partners, and his uncompromising integrity.
http://www.andrewcohen.org/blog/index.php?/blog/post/my-latest-hero/
My diagnosis of these people is that they:
- think simply,
- believe their simple thinking, and this gives them confidence to…
- act decisively, and…
- feel justified.
Rightwingers keep it simple and that has a certain attractiveness for many people e.g. Republican voters and cult-members.
The solution is to deeply out-think them.
June 20th, 2007 at 2:17 amAnd 24 is a f#cking fiction! No one noticed the black POTUS? If that's not Sci Fi, nothing is.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:31 amOk. And just how do you or the people who wrote the article know that no such situations happen. They would be classified, you know.
that would only happen under two circumstances.
1. complicity from within.
2. withholding intelligence for other purposes.
what ever way you spin it MAF, if information on the operation is classified then operation is a "known" within certain intel circles.
Result: C+ Must try harder.
PS. 24 is a deliberate peice of cultural propaganda to season the commoner with a gradual acceptance that torture will become a domestic norm and you should get used to it.
June 20th, 2007 at 8:32 am*facepalm*
June 21st, 2007 at 8:28 amHere's a relevant comment I found on Amazon:
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A major rule I learned in undergraduate English was that you can not use fiction to support an argument. The idea in itself is absurd. It would be like using an episode of Star Trek to rationalize what kind of car you should buy.
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http://www.amazon.com/Amusing-Ourselves-Death-Discourse-Business/dp/0140094385
- Tom
June 21st, 2007 at 12:45 pm