Comments on: The Constitution according to Jack Bauer. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:53:46 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: TomR http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-6/#comment-3873258 TomR Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:45:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3873258 Here's a relevant comment I found on Amazon: ---- A major rule I learned in undergraduate English was that you can not use fiction to support an argument. The idea in itself is absurd. It would be like using an episode of Star Trek to rationalize what kind of car you should buy. ---- http://www.amazon.com/Amusing-Ourselves-Death-Discourse-Business/dp/0140094385 - Tom Here’s a relevant comment I found on Amazon:

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A major rule I learned in undergraduate English was that you can not use fiction to support an argument. The idea in itself is absurd. It would be like using an episode of Star Trek to rationalize what kind of car you should buy.
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http://www.amazon.com/Amusing-Ourselves-Death-Discourse-Business/dp/0140094385

- Tom

]]> By: Sean http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-6/#comment-3872368 Sean Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:28:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3872368 *facepalm* *facepalm*

]]> By: daytripper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-6/#comment-3868466 daytripper Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:32:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868466 <i>Ok. And just how do you or the people who wrote the article know that no such situations happen. They would be classified, you know.</i> that would only happen under two circumstances. 1. complicity from within. 2. withholding intelligence for other purposes. what ever way you spin it MAF, if information on the operation is classified then operation is a "known" within certain intel circles. Result: C+ Must try harder. PS. 24 is a deliberate peice of cultural propaganda to season the commoner with a gradual acceptance that torture will become a domestic norm and you should get used to it. Ok. And just how do you or the people who wrote the article know that no such situations happen. They would be classified, you know.

that would only happen under two circumstances.

1. complicity from within.
2. withholding intelligence for other purposes.

what ever way you spin it MAF, if information on the operation is classified then operation is a “known” within certain intel circles.

Result: C+ Must try harder.

PS. 24 is a deliberate peice of cultural propaganda to season the commoner with a gradual acceptance that torture will become a domestic norm and you should get used to it.

]]> By: Evil Spaniard http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-6/#comment-3868464 Evil Spaniard Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:31:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868464 And 24 is a f#cking fiction! No one noticed the black POTUS? If that's not Sci Fi, nothing is. And 24 is a f#cking fiction! No one noticed the black POTUS? If that’s not Sci Fi, nothing is.

]]> By: Martin Gifford http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-6/#comment-3868371 Martin Gifford Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:17:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868371 Rightwingers are unreflective fruitcakes. They just love simplistic thinking and direct action. Scalia has something in common with cult leader Andrew Cohen who also love’s Jack. Here’s a quote from Cohen’s blog: “Jack Bauer has slowly become one of my heroes… It’s because of his absolute commitment to his mission, his unfailing loyalty to his friends and partners, and his uncompromising integrity. http://www.andrewcohen.org/blog/index.php?/blog/post/my-latest-hero/ <strong>My diagnosis of these people is that they: - think simply, - believe their simple thinking, and this gives them confidence to… - act decisively, and… - feel justified. Rightwingers keep it simple and that has a certain attractiveness for many people e.g. Republican voters and cult-members. The solution is to deeply out-think them.</strong> Rightwingers are unreflective fruitcakes. They just love simplistic thinking and direct action. Scalia has something in common with cult leader Andrew Cohen who also love’s Jack. Here’s a quote from Cohen’s blog:

“Jack Bauer has slowly become one of my heroes… It’s because of his absolute commitment to his mission, his unfailing loyalty to his friends and partners, and his uncompromising integrity.

http://www.andrewcohen.org/blog/index.php?/blog/post/my-latest-hero/

My diagnosis of these people is that they:

- think simply,
- believe their simple thinking, and this gives them confidence to…
- act decisively, and…
- feel justified.

Rightwingers keep it simple and that has a certain attractiveness for many people e.g. Republican voters and cult-members.

The solution is to deeply out-think them.

]]> By: Robert M. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-6/#comment-3868346 Robert M. Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:31:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868346 I thought I'd jump in here and note how the SCOTUS is using fictionalized television programs to justify the Unconstitutional acts of the bush administration. I see many of you have already jumped in there with the same point. Good work gang! Perhaps there is some hope left remaining at the bottom of Pandora's Box. I thought I’d jump in here and note how the SCOTUS is using fictionalized television programs to justify the Unconstitutional acts of the bush administration.

I see many of you have already jumped in there with the same point.

Good work gang! Perhaps there is some hope left remaining at the bottom of Pandora’s Box.

]]> By: shane http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-6/#comment-3868331 shane Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:03:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868331 Obviously they felt the laws of France were more important than the laws of Missouri. Comment by m12 WTF???? Is this deliberate parody??? Missouri? Are you serious? Have you EVER been to Missouri, where men are men, sheep are scared, and there’s no such thing as virgin wool? Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 19, 2007 @ 11:22 pm Heh, Missouri, the "Show Me" state. France vs. Missouri, Moron12 needs a nap. Obviously they felt the laws of France were more important than the laws of Missouri.

Comment by m12

WTF???? Is this deliberate parody??? Missouri? Are you serious? Have you EVER been to Missouri, where men are men, sheep are scared, and there’s no such thing as virgin wool?

Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 19, 2007 @ 11:22 pm

Heh, Missouri, the “Show Me” state. France vs. Missouri, Moron12 needs a nap.

]]> By: shane http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-6/#comment-3868324 shane Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:57:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868324 Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 10:46 pm lol. Its a TV show. A “TV show”. a TV show TV Show T V S H O W :| TV show. Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 19, 2007 @ 10:50 pm Here, let me help. M12, TV is short for TELEVISION. Hence TV show means television show. Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 10:46 pm

lol.

Its a TV show.

A “TV show”.

a TV show

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TV show.

Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 19, 2007 @ 10:50 pm

Here, let me help. M12, TV is short for TELEVISION. Hence TV show means television show.

]]> By: Briseadh na Faire http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-6/#comment-3868323 Briseadh na Faire Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:56:11 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868323 <strong> “Are you going to convict Jack Bauer?” Judge Scalia challenged his fellow judges. “Say that criminal law is against him? ‘You have the right to a jury trial?’ Is any jury going to convict Jack Bauer? I don’t think so.</strong> <blockquote> This looks like we have a Supreme Court Justice saying we won't convict a person accused of committing torture, so long as that person is working for the Government. I wonder what the international community thinks about this latest revelation about the rule of law, American style.</blockquote> “Are you going to convict Jack Bauer?” Judge Scalia challenged his fellow judges. “Say that criminal law is against him? ‘You have the right to a jury trial?’ Is any jury going to convict Jack Bauer? I don’t think so.

This looks like we have a Supreme Court Justice saying we won’t convict a person accused of committing torture, so long as that person is working for the Government.

I wonder what the international community thinks about this latest revelation about the rule of law, American style.

]]> By: Briseadh na Faire http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-6/#comment-3868319 Briseadh na Faire Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:52:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868319 <strong>Is there an impeachment process for Supreme Court Justices? Comment by DJShay — June 19, 2007 @ 4:07 pm </strong><strong> <blockquote> <em> <strong> YES</strong></em></blockquote></strong> Is there an impeachment process for Supreme Court Justices?

Comment by DJShay — June 19, 2007 @ 4:07 pm

YES

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-5/#comment-3868232 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:55:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868232 I didn’t say cunnilingual, lol. :P Comment by BARTLEBEE Now THAT is definitely a place m12 has never been either. I didn’t say cunnilingual, lol.

:P

Comment by BARTLEBEE

Now THAT is definitely a place m12 has never been either.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-5/#comment-3868211 BARTLEBEE Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:41:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868211 <em>Whoa… “monolingual”??? PLEASE don’t bring m12’s sex life into the conversation. </em> Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 19, 2007 @ 11:36 pm I didn't say cunnilingual, lol. :P Whoa… “monolingual”??? PLEASE don’t bring m12’s sex life into the conversation.

Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — June 19, 2007 @ 11:36 pm

I didn’t say cunnilingual, lol.

:P

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-5/#comment-3868209 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:37:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868209 Thats not what I heard. Comment by BARTLEBEE Right you are... all the sheep say, m12's a ba-a-a-d man... Thats not what I heard.

Comment by BARTLEBEE

Right you are… all the sheep say, m12’s a ba-a-a-d man…

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-5/#comment-3868206 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:36:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868206 Most of these good conservative Americans are lucky if they are mono-lingual. Comment by BARTLEBEE Whoa... "monolingual"??? PLEASE don't bring m12's sex life into the conversation. He didn't mean it, m12, really he didn't. We ALL know that's a sore spot for you... Most of these good conservative Americans are lucky if they are mono-lingual.

Comment by BARTLEBEE

Whoa… “monolingual”??? PLEASE don’t bring m12’s sex life into the conversation. He didn’t mean it, m12, really he didn’t. We ALL know that’s a sore spot for you…

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-5/#comment-3868203 BARTLEBEE Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:33:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868203 <em>And no, I haven’t been there.</em> Comment by missouri12 — June 19, 2007 @ 11:23 pm Thats not what I heard. And no, I haven’t been there.

Comment by missouri12 — June 19, 2007 @ 11:23 pm

Thats not what I heard.

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-5/#comment-3868202 BARTLEBEE Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:32:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868202 The problem ROS, is matlock12 is incapable of recognizing America is a "young" country, and that we can learn from our elder siblings. France for instance, is the reason we are here, next to mother England. Countries that have survived and existed for centuries longer than us, have had more time to devleop, and grow as a culture, and a people. And while we "were" amazing, America has become something of a spoiled brat, who thinks because it has won a few wars, we can take everyone on and not lose. Europe is a treasuretrove of knowledge and example. Public health care, borderless countries, prison for only the most harsh of offenders, a low homeless and indigent population and low crime rates. But Hoot Gibsonds like Mrs12 don't want to see that stuff. It makes their heads hurt. They want to beleive that they are the best and the brightest, even though the intelligence of the average European jr High School student makes them look like a Chimpanzee in comparative skills. Most Europeans are multilingual. Most of these good conservative Americans are lucky if they are mono-lingual. The problem ROS, is matlock12 is incapable of recognizing America is a “young” country, and that we can learn from our elder siblings.

France for instance, is the reason we are here, next to mother England.

Countries that have survived and existed for centuries longer than us, have had more time to devleop, and grow as a culture, and a people. And while we “were” amazing, America has become something of a spoiled brat, who thinks because it has won a few wars, we can take everyone on and not lose.

Europe is a treasuretrove of knowledge and example. Public health care, borderless countries, prison for only the most harsh of offenders, a low homeless and indigent population and low crime rates.

But Hoot Gibsonds like Mrs12 don’t want to see that stuff. It makes their heads hurt. They want to beleive that they are the best and the brightest, even though the intelligence of the average European jr High School student makes them look like a Chimpanzee in comparative skills. Most Europeans are multilingual.

Most of these good conservative Americans are lucky if they are mono-lingual.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-5/#comment-3868199 The Republic of Stupidity Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:30:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868199 Newsflash: Your current Democratic Party still has him in it; and Harry Reid puts him a leadership spot. Comment by m12 I've NEVER claimed this Democratic Party as my own. Newsflash: Your current Democratic Party still has him in it; and Harry Reid puts him a leadership spot.

Comment by m12

I’ve NEVER claimed this Democratic Party as my own.

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-5/#comment-3868196 m12 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:27:50 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868196 <i>Right. Your fathers’ or my grandfathers’ Democratic Party had Robert Byrd, a proud member of the KKK, in it.</i> Newsflash: Your current Democratic Party still has him in it; and Harry Reid puts him a leadership spot. Right. Your fathers’ or my grandfathers’ Democratic Party had Robert Byrd, a proud member of the KKK, in it.

Newsflash: Your current Democratic Party still has him in it; and Harry Reid puts him a leadership spot.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-5/#comment-3868193 dbadass Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:26:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868193 think you may be correct but I think Truman would have thought it out first and sought a more nuanced approach. No dis to the ronster but the former soviet system was collapsing under its own weight. Had a lib pres be there, would you have credited them? Carter had his shot for 4 years. He screwed it up. Clinton, of course, slashed the military in every way he thought possible. But yeah, I would have credited them if they succeeded. Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 11:19 pm It's an honorable answer. Consistency of thought is the indicator of honor. think you may be correct but I think Truman would have thought it out first and sought a more nuanced approach. No dis to the ronster but the former soviet system was collapsing under its own weight. Had a lib pres be there, would you have credited them?

Carter had his shot for 4 years. He screwed it up.

Clinton, of course, slashed the military in every way he thought possible.

But yeah, I would have credited them if they succeeded.

Comment by m12 — June 19, 2007 @ 11:19 pm

It’s an honorable answer. Consistency of thought is the indicator of honor.

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/comment-page-5/#comment-3868190 m12 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:23:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/19/the-constitution-according-to-jack-bauer/#comment-3868190 #240 So you also believe the laws of France are more important than the laws of Missouri? And no, I haven't been there. #240

So you also believe the laws of France are more important than the laws of Missouri?

And no, I haven’t been there.

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